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The Science & Practice of Movement | Ido Portal

My guest is Ido Portal, the world’s foremost expert on human movement. Ido has spent a lifetime studying, combining and evolving elements from an enormous range of martial arts, dance genres, athletic endeavors and science to develop a unified theory and practice of movement called “The Ido Portal Method.” Here we discuss all things movement, including the role of the nervous system, reflexive versus deliberate movement patterns and the link between emotions and awareness in movement. We also explore learning and neuroplasticity, the mind-body connection and how movement itself can be leveraged toward expanding other types of skills—cognitive, creative and otherwise. As one of the most sought-after teachers of movement alive today, Ido shares knowledge in this conversation that can benefit everyone—children, adults, athletes, dancers, clinicians, trainers and the everyday person. Watch Ido Portal lead Andrew through his movement practice: https://youtu.be/JMzThWHk4CQ For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Social & Website Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Ido Portal Links Website: https://www.idoportal.com Blog: https://www.idoportal.com/blog Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/portal.ido YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/portaldo Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/portal.ido Article Links The Role of Variability in Motor Learning: https://bit.ly/3zOafQp Timestamps 00:00:00 Ido Portal, Movement & Movement Practice 00:03:30 AG1 (Athletic Greens), ROKA, Helix Sleep 00:07:49 What is Movement? 00:10:56 Movement & the Body-Mind Connection 00:14:47 Entry Points to Movement 00:18:08 Early Education in Movement: Awareness, Play & Examination 00:21:19 Stillness, Movement & the Environment, Playfulness 00:31:34 Unique Postures, Types of Movement, Contents vs. Containers 00:40:50 Discomfort: Marker of Movement, Failures & Learning 00:47:05 Movement Diversity, Squat Challenge, Injury, Movement Evolution 00:56:36 Animal & Human Movements, Gain & Change 01:02:04 Core Movement, Emotion & Memory, Spinal Waves, Evolution 01:12:39 Song, Dance & Complex Language, Movement as Language, Consilience 01:21:39 Movement Culture, Community, Collective Knowledge, Wild & Wise 01:26:36 Potential for Movement, “Humming” 01:32:18 Instructiveness vs Permissiveness, Degrees of Freedom 01:35:50 Variety, Diversity & Virtuosity 01:38:06 Vision & Movement, Focus & Awareness, Panoramic Awareness 01:48:28 Hearing & Movement 01:52:43 Walking Gaits 01:56:55 Playful Variability & Evolution, Improvisation & Openness 02:03:05 Reactivity & Personal Space, Touch & Proximity to Others, Play & Discomfort 02:18:13 Visualization & Experience, Feedback 02:20:14 Linear Movement & Movement Investigation, Examination 02:31:45 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous Supplements, Instagram, Twitter, Neural Network Newsletter The Huberman Lab Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions.

Andrew HubermanhostIdo Portalguest
Jun 19, 20222h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ido Portal Redefines Movement: From Exercise to Lifelong Embodied Intelligence

  1. Andrew Huberman and Ido Portal explore movement as far more than exercise, framing it as the organizing principle of body, brain, emotion, and cognition. Rather than a list of techniques, Ido presents movement as an open-ended practice that uses ‘containers’ (specific skills, sports, drills) to access the deeper ‘content’ of change, awareness, and self-education.
  2. They discuss how humans’ unique movement variability underpins language, thinking, and emotional life, and how most modern practices over-specialize us, narrowing both our bodies and minds. Ido emphasizes play, exploration, degrees of freedom, and discomfort as necessary ingredients for real learning and neuroplasticity.
  3. The conversation ranges from spinal waves and walking patterns to touch, proximity, trauma, and the social dimensions of “movement culture.” Throughout, they connect practical tools—like resting squats, spinal undulations, visual and auditory awareness, and partner work—to broader questions of identity, adaptability, and what it means to live a dynamic, non-static life.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Distinguish ‘movements’ (containers) from ‘Movement’ (content).

Ido urges people to see squats, yoga poses, martial arts, or weightlifting as containers—forms that carry the deeper content of movement: change, sensing, awareness, and self-development. A ‘movements practice’ chases techniques and checklists; a ‘Movement practice’ uses any technique as a vehicle to encounter flux, complexity, and personal evolution. Practically, ask yourself before a session: “Am I just doing movements, or am I using these movements to explore movement itself?”

Use discomfort and failure as your neuroplasticity signal, not your stop sign.

Huberman shares data showing that failed motor attempts heighten forebrain focus and prime learning; Ido frames this as the ‘correct place’ on the scale of challenge. If it’s too easy, you’re not learning; if it’s impossibly hard, you’re overwhelmed. Practically, seek tasks where you are repeatedly failing but can see small improvements (e.g., a new balance, coordination, or partner drill), and reframe the ‘ugh’ and frustration as the nervous system’s cue that learning is ready to occur.

Enter movement from anywhere—but keep it exploratory, not programmatic.

Ido describes movement as a rhizome without a center: you can enter via spine work, play, martial arts, walking in crowds, or even awareness of breath upon waking. What matters is not the ‘correct’ starting drill but that you use it to examine motion, stillness, and your reactions. For beginners, this can mean: a daily 5–10 minutes of spinal explorations, playful stair climbing, or walking a busy street trying not to touch anyone—all done with curiosity about how you move and feel, not just rep-counting.

Cultivate small-frame movement (micromobility) instead of only big-frame skills.

Most people train big visible movements (squats, poses, large gestures) while leaving many spinal segments and joints functionally ‘frozen.’ Ido emphasizes ‘small frame’ work: very subtle movements of spine, ribs, pelvis, and other segments that barely change whole-body shape but massively increase movement vocabulary. Practically, explore slow spinal waves in multiple directions, gentle rib and pelvic isolations, and micro-adjustments in posture; over time this enhances coordination, reduces stagnation, and makes all larger skills more adaptable.

Use everyday life as practice: walk, sit, touch, and look differently.

Ido criticizes reliance on gyms and high-tech tools, arguing that the ‘most high-tech object’ is your own body plus gravity. He recommends using normal life as a lab: walking in crowds without touching people, using dynamic chairs or rocking, changing how you take stairs, and varying your gaze (panoramic vs. focused). Similarly, he encourages more consensual touch and varied proximity in safe contexts (martial arts, dance, contact improvisation) to remodel anxiety, social patterns, and trauma responses.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Movement is the entity that ties everything together. It’s the magic… when the coin spins and you see both sides at the same time.

Ido Portal

There is no really pure mental process, and there is no pure physical process. Everything touches everything; there is a wholeness, and that wholeness is in motion.

Ido Portal

A man doesn’t go to the ocean to empty it with a spoon.

Ido Portal

The less of your own personal practice and understanding you’ve done, the more toys you need. The more high‑tech you are, the more low‑tech your tools.

Ido Portal

If you don’t get the weird looks, you’re not moving in the right direction.

Ido Portal

Movement as an integrated body–brain–mind system, beyond ‘exercise’Containers vs. content: techniques, sports, and the deeper movement practiceExploration, play, discomfort, and neuroplasticity in skill learningHuman uniqueness in movement variability and its link to language and cognitionSpinal waves, posture, and ‘issues in the tissues’ (emotion–body links)Vision, attention, and sensory use (eyes, ears, peripersonal space) in movementTouch, proximity, culture, and the social/psychological dimensions of movement

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