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Using Hypnosis to Enhance Health & Performance | Dr. David Spiegel

My guest is Dr. David Spiegel, MD, Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health and Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine. Dr. Spiegel has more than 40 years of clinical and research experience with hypnosis, stress physiology and psychotherapy. In this episode we examine the role of clinical hypnosis in the treatment of trauma, chronic pain, anxiety and more. Dr. Spiegel explains how to determine your level of hypnotizability and provides case studies of remarkable successes using hypnosis to treat a variety of ailments. We also discuss how breathing, vision and directed mental focus can modulate internal states and enhance performance. Additionally, we explore how adopting self-hypnosis techniques can reduce stress and enhance sleep for anyone. Dr. Spiegel teaches how hypnosis works at the neural circuit level to enhance cognitive flexibility. Throughout the episode Dr. Spiegel summarizes key clinical trials, peer-reviewed findings and resources for working with a trained clinical professional or for practicing guided self-hypnosis. Watch Andrew’s Hypnosis Session with Dr. Spiegel: https://youtu.be/tlTzVB6TGT0 For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Social: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. David Spiegel Links: Stanford Center for Stress and Health: https://stresshealthcenter.stanford.edu Support Dr. Spiegel’s Research at Stanford (tax-deductible): https://stan.md/3p36Yqd Dr. Spiegel’s Published Work: https://stanford.io/3GYzL5C Article Links: Posthypnotic Amnesia in Hypnotizability Assessment: Validation of a New Scoring System for the Hypnotic Induction Profile: https://bit.ly/3uYrlsC Post-traumatic stress disorder and cancer: https://bit.ly/3h36vzX Association between Anterior Cingulate Neurochemical Concentration and Individual Differences in Hypnotizability: https://bit.ly/33BvMyj Hypnosis reduces distress and duration of an invasive medical procedure for children: https://bit.ly/3p3wOuf Other Links: Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis: https://www.sceh.us American Society for Clinical Hypnosis: https://bit.ly/3JHU88Y Watch Andrew’s Hypnosis Session with Dr. Spiegel: https://youtu.be/tlTzVB6TGT0 Reveri website: https://www.reveri.com Reveri app (iOS): https://apple.co/3sT5RL8 Join the Waitlist for Reveri for Android: https://bit.ly/3JB2wa0 Timestamps: 00:00:00 Dr. David Spiegel MD, Hypnosis 00:04:16 AG1 (Athletic Greens), Thesis, ROKA 00:09:09 Clinical Hypnosis 00:16:45 Stage Hypnosis 00:20:25 Neurobiology of Hypnosis 00:26:04 ADHD 00:28:22 Hypnosis for Stress & Sleep 00:32:12 Hypnosis to Strengthen Neural Connections 00:37:19 Restructuring Trauma Narratives 00:45:14 Ketamine Therapy 00:50:07 Self-directed Hypnosis, Reveri 00:56:53 Eliminating Obsessive Thoughts, Superstitions 01:01:50 ‘Hypnotizability’, the Spiegel Eye-roll Test 01:15:36 EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing) 01:21:43 Confronting Stress & Trauma 01:27:56 The Mind-Body Connection 01:31:35 Dealing with Grief 01:35:45 Hypnosis in Children & Groups 01:40:06 Drug Therapies & Hypnosis 01:42:39 Breathing Patterns, Peak Performance 01:50:00 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Patreon, Thorne, Instagram, Twitter Please note that The Huberman Lab Podcast is distinct from Dr. Huberman's teaching and research roles at Stanford University School of Medicine. The information provided in this show is not medical advice, nor should it be taken or applied as a replacement for medical advice. The Huberman Lab Podcast, its employees, guests and affiliates assume no liability for the application of the information discussed. Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - https://www.blabacphoto.com Audio Engineering: Joel Hatstat at High Jump Media

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Feb 20, 20221h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Harnessing Hypnosis: Rapid, Drug-Free Tools For Mind-Body Transformation

  1. Andrew Huberman interviews Stanford psychiatrist Dr. David Spiegel about clinical hypnosis as a highly focused brain state that enhances neuroplasticity and mind–body control. They differentiate research‑backed clinical and self‑hypnosis from stage hypnosis, and detail how hypnosis can rapidly reduce pain, stress, anxiety, phobias, and improve sleep and medical procedure outcomes.
  2. Spiegel explains the neural circuitry of hypnosis (anterior cingulate, dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, insula, default mode network) and why about two-thirds of adults are hypnotizable, with roughly 15% being highly responsive. He introduces the Spiegel eye‑roll test as a quick screen for hypnotizability and describes standardized lab measures.
  3. The conversation covers how hypnosis can be self‑applied via protocols and the Reveri app, often in just a few minutes, and when working directly with a trained clinician is important. They also explore trauma, dissociation, EMDR, grief, children and hypnosis, and how breathing and vision help shift brain states.
  4. Throughout, Spiegel emphasizes that hypnosis is not loss of control but increased control over attention, perception, and bodily states, and that confronting—rather than avoiding—stressful or traumatic experiences is essential for adaptive change.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Clinical hypnosis is a state of highly focused, flexible attention—not mind control.

Spiegel defines hypnosis as narrowing attention “like a telephoto lens” where experience is vivid but context and self‑evaluation are reduced. Neural imaging shows decreased activity in the dorsal anterior cingulate (less conflict monitoring and distraction), altered connectivity between the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and insula (greater top‑down influence on bodily states), and inverse connectivity between DLPFC and posterior cingulate (reduced self‑referential rumination). This supports deep absorption, cognitive flexibility, and dissociation from the usual self‑story—all of which can be harnessed therapeutically.

Hypnotizability is a stable trait; about two-thirds of adults can benefit.

Roughly one-third of adults are low in hypnotizability, two-thirds are responsive, and ~15% are highly hypnotizable. Longitudinal Stanford data show hypnotizability is remarkably stable over 25 years (test–retest correlation ~0.7—higher than IQ). You can’t reliably “train” someone from low to high hypnotizability; instead, assess their level and match expectations and techniques to that capacity. The Spiegel eye‑roll test is a quick screening tool: the more sclera visible when closing the eyelids while looking up, the higher the hypnotizability tends to be.

Hypnosis can dramatically reduce pain, drug use, and procedure time in medical settings.

In a randomized trial of patients undergoing arterial interventions, those taught self‑hypnosis had ~80% less pain after 90 minutes, used about half the opioids, had fewer complications, and cut procedure time by ~17 minutes compared to standard care. Anxiety essentially dropped to zero in the hypnosis group while remaining moderate in controls. Similar approaches in metastatic breast cancer halved pain over a year on very low medication doses, because patients learned to reframe and modulate pain signals rather than automatically reacting to them as new threats.

Confronting, not avoiding, stress and trauma—under controlled conditions—is crucial for healing.

Spiegel repeatedly stresses that avoidance and “trigger protection” often prolong suffering. Effective treatment entails safely re‑entering traumatic or frightening material, but from a position of control: dissociating bodily distress from the mental image, floating the body in a safe place, and viewing the event on a “mental screen.” This allows people to reinterpret their role (e.g., recognizing survival behaviors) and build new associative networks that are not exclusively fear-based. He notes data showing adding hypnosis to PTSD treatments improves outcomes.

Self-hypnosis tools can be short, repeatable, and highly practical for daily life.

Spiegel describes teaching patients a few core scripts (floating imagery, screen imagery, altering temperature/ sensation) then having them practice on their own. Old‑school, he’d have them record sessions on their phones; now the Reveri app delivers structured 15‑minute sessions plus 1–2‑minute refreshers. Early data from Reveri show about two‑thirds of users feel better even after a one‑minute refresher, and randomized trials for sleep, stress, and pain show durable benefits. You typically know in a single session whether hypnosis will help you.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Hypnosis is a state of highly focused attention… like looking through the telephoto lens of a camera in consciousness.

Dr. David Spiegel

Self-hypnosis is a way of enhancing your control over your mind and your body. You’re not losing control—you’re gaining it.

Dr. David Spiegel

If we had a drug that did what hypnosis did in that Lancet trial, every hospital in the country would be using it.

Dr. David Spiegel

The essence of trauma is helplessness. It’s not fear. It’s not pain. It’s helplessness.

Dr. David Spiegel

We’re born with this brain, but we don’t have a user’s manual for it—and we don’t use it nearly as well as we can.

Dr. David Spiegel

Definition and neuroscience of clinical hypnosis vs. stage hypnosisHypnotizability, the Spiegel eye‑roll test, and stable individual differencesApplications of hypnosis: pain, stress, sleep, phobias, trauma, medical proceduresMind–body interaction, dissociation, and trauma processingSelf-hypnosis and the Reveri app (design, uses, limitations)Breathwork and physiological mechanisms as portals into hypnotic statesClinical boundaries: who should use hypnosis, when drugs or other therapies are preferable

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