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Blocked by Fear of Being Judged? Here's How to STOP Caring & UNBLOCK Your Creativity!

Today, Jay sits down with author, artist, and creative mentor Amie McNee for a heartfelt conversation about reconnecting with the artist inside all of us. Known for her honest take on creativity and self-expression, Amie opens up about her journey, from battling self-doubt and shame to finding her voice as a writer and artist. Amie shares real stories of rejection, depression, and learning to embrace imperfection, reminding us that art doesn’t need to be perfect, it just needs to be real. Jay and Amie explore the common myths that hold people back from creating. The idea that creativity has to be profitable, that art must be perfect to be valuable, or that we need permission to begin. They discuss how shame, perfectionism, and fear of judgment often silence our creative instincts, and how practices like journaling, self-mothering, and small daily acts of creativity can help revive them. They also reflect on the emotional vulnerability of sharing your work, the importance of protecting your inner artist, and the delicate balance between wanting to be seen and creating for the pure joy of expression. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Reclaim Your Creativity Without Shame How to Make Art When You’re Struggling with Self-Doubt How to Start Creating Even If You Don’t Feel Ready How to Deal with Fear of Judgment and Being Seen How to Turn Jealousy into Creative Motivation How to Promote Your Art Without Selling Out Whether someone is writing a novel, posting their first poem, or simply daring to call themselves an artist, this conversation is a gentle yet powerful reminder—they are on the path, and their voice matters. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 00:49 Are We Born Creative or Can It Be Learned? 02:12 Why Everyone Is an Artist in Their Own Way 03:50 What Happens When You Suppress Your Creativity 06:37 How Journaling and Self-Compassion Can Heal You 08:30 You Owe Everything to the Past Version of You 13:03 How to Move Through the Fear of Being Judged 16:07 Why Art Exposes Both Light and Darkness 17:25 Let Go of Needing External Validation 19:30 Everyone Just Wants to Be Seen and Heard 24:31 Stop Dismissing the Parts of You That Want More 26:28 Stuck in the Wrong Job? Try Small Creative Steps 30:56 How Perfectionism Fuels Procrastination 33:11 Embrace the Beautiful Chaos of Art 34:17 What the 30 Circles Test Reveals About Creativity 36:44 How to Share Your Art Without Losing Yourself 39:07 Real Artists Are Meant to Break the Rules 40:29 What to do When No One Sees Your Art 41:54 If You Hate It, Stop Doing It 44:19 Don’t Chase Virality, Make Meaningful Art 46:40 Yes, You Can Make Money from Your Art 50:10 Every Creative Act Has Value So Honor It 53:12 Charging for Your Art Is Not Selling Out 57:39 Oversaturation Is a Myth, There’s Room for You 01:00:53 Your Voice Is One of a Kind Use It 01:02:25 Use Jealousy to Guide, Not Derail You 01:03:49 How to Inspire Others by Owning Your Path 01:07:12 Amie on Final Five Episode Resources: https://www.amiemcnee.com/ https://www.instagram.com/inspiredtowrite https://www.facebook.com/AmieFionaMcNee/ https://www.tiktok.com/@amiemcnee https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B09DKVNGNJ https://www.instagram.com/jayshetty https://www.facebook.com/jayshetty/ https://x.com/jayshetty https://www.linkedin.com/in/shettyjay/ https://www.youtube.com/@JayShettyPodcast http://jayshetty.me

Amie McNeeguestJay Shettyhost
Jul 16, 20251h 11mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:28

    Shame-free creativity: journaling as the turning point

    Amie opens with how a daily journaling practice helped her remove shame from creating and unlocked major personal change. She frames “shame-free art” as the antidote to perfectionism and the cultural narratives that keep people playing small.

    • Journaling as the moment everything began to shift
    • How shame blocks creative expression (not good enough, not profitable, family pressure)
    • The idea of “shame-free art” as a creative baseline
    • Removing perfectionism to access flow and output
  2. 0:28 – 3:50

    Are we born creative? Redefining what counts as art

    Jay asks whether creativity is innate or learned, and Amie argues that everyone is creative once we stop pedestalizing “art.” They expand art beyond fine arts into everyday creative acts and personal expression.

    • Everyone has an innate desire to create
    • Art isn’t just drawing/painting—it's podcasts, cooking, gardening, makeup, reviews
    • Reclaiming the label “artist” for ordinary people
    • Creativity as a human drive rather than a rare talent
  3. 3:50 – 6:58

    What suppression does to you: shame, inner conflict, and depression

    Amie shares how being told her storytelling dreams were “irresponsible” created a war inside her—one side longing to create, the other demanding she be “practical.” She describes how this internal split contributed to severe depression and loss of motivation.

    • Cultural messaging that creative ambition is childish or unsafe
    • The internal tug-of-war between desire and duty
    • Depression and numbness as consequences of self-suppression
    • The cost of hiding your creative identity
  4. 6:58 – 8:29

    Journaling + self-compassion: rewriting the inner critic (re-parenting yourself)

    Amie explains the practical journaling method she used: writing out harsh internal narratives, then responding with a kinder, “mothering” voice. The practice helps her witness shame, shift self-talk, and keep moving even when rejection is loud.

    • Externalizing negative self-stories to see them clearly
    • Recognizing how brutal inner dialogue can be
    • Ending each session with a compassionate “re-parenting” response
    • Using simple mantras like “You’re on the path”
  5. 8:29 – 13:02

    Honor your past self: the version of you who created in silence

    Jay and Amie emphasize that breakthroughs are built on earlier seasons of rejection and small audiences. They argue you “owe everything” to the earlier you who kept showing up when no one was watching.

    • Stop devaluing messy years as “before it worked”
    • Rejection, silence, and early practice build skill and resilience
    • Gratitude for the past self who kept going
    • Meaningful work often begins with tiny rooms and small numbers
  6. 13:02 – 17:25

    Fear of being judged: accept misunderstanding and build protective boundaries

    Amie addresses the common fear of putting an idea into the world and being judged (especially by people from your past). She validates the vulnerability of sharing art and offers a concrete tactic: create a safer “cocoon” with boundaries while you grow.

    • Art as a vulnerable act: “pouring” yourself into something public
    • Truth: you will be judged and misunderstood—and it can still be worth it
    • Creating temporary safety (e.g., blocking people who trigger shame)
    • Boundaries as a bridge, not a weakness
  7. 17:25 – 26:27

    Stop waiting for permission (or validation): it’s okay to want to be seen

    They unpack why loved ones may not support your creative leap—often it triggers the repressed artist inside them. Amie reframes self-belief as “permission giving,” and she also normalizes the desire for attention as a human longing to connect.

    • Others’ resistance can be about them, not you
    • The personal power of “I give myself permission”
    • Rejecting the shame that artists shouldn’t want attention
    • Balancing internal compass with audience connection
  8. 26:27 – 30:55

    Stuck in the wrong job? Use micro-creative commitments to rebuild trust

    Amie discusses the reality of exhausting day jobs and the “self-betrayal” cycle artists fall into when they can’t create at the scale they expect. Her solution is a small, consistent minimum (and even a maximum) that’s easy to keep, building momentum over time.

    • Validating how life/work drains creative energy
    • Why big weekend ‘make-up sessions’ often fail
    • “300–500 (bad) words” and other tiny creative daily targets
    • Accumulating wins to rebuild self-trust and finish projects
  9. 30:55 – 34:16

    Perfectionism fuels procrastination: why ‘shitty art’ is the path forward

    Amie argues that perfectionism constricts creativity and directly causes procrastination. She advocates making lots of imperfect work quickly to recover play, loosen rigidity, and find the surprising “seed” of great ideas.

    • Perfectionism → avoidance → stalled output
    • Mess and play as the conditions for creative breakthroughs
    • Workshops: timed prompts to force looseness
    • “A pile of shitty art” as evidence you’re doing the work
  10. 34:16 – 36:44

    The 30 Circles Test: how adults lose creative genius (and how to reclaim it)

    Jay describes a creativity exercise showing adults default to logic and “right answers,” while kids invent wildly original interpretations. Together they use it to illustrate how evaluation culture trains adults to squash playful originality.

    • 30 circles in 30 seconds reveals creative patterns
    • Adults choose counting/letters; kids imagine marbles, bubble wrap, chessboards
    • Fear of being judged leads to ‘correctness’ thinking
    • Reconnecting to childlike experimentation
  11. 36:44 – 45:41

    Sharing and marketing your art without losing yourself

    Jay raises the idea of structured promotion, and Amie pushes back: marketing can also be messy, human, and creative. They explore how algorithm pressure and rigid branding can stifle artists, and why it’s okay to pivot formats when joy disappears.

    • Marketing as an art form, not a corporate checklist
    • Resisting rigid ‘brand colors/grids/niche’ perfectionism
    • Balancing rule-breaking with understanding what resonates
    • If you hate the process, change it before bitterness sets in
  12. 45:41 – 47:27

    Don’t chase virality—build meaning (and a sustainable ‘middle-class artist’ life)

    They critique the false binary of ‘go viral or starve’ and argue for art that impacts even a small group deeply. Amie introduces her vision of the “middle-class artist”—financially stable, creatively intact, and not trapped by extremes.

    • Virality isn’t the only measure of success
    • Impact can be profound at small scale (100 people matters)
    • Rejecting ‘selfish artist’ vs ‘sellout artist’ extremes
    • A realistic vision: stable, joyful, financially secure artists
  13. 47:27 – 57:37

    Charging for your art isn’t selling out: money, value exchange, and integrity

    Amie reframes selling art as an aligned, intimate value exchange rather than something “icky.” Jay shares his own experience of massive impact but near-broke finances, underscoring that sustainable creation requires resources and intentional monetization choices.

    • Art changes mental health, communities, and culture—so it has value
    • Pricing reflects years of lived experience, not minutes of execution (Picasso story)
    • The myth that ‘helpful’ art must be free (and how that harms artists)
    • Intentional monetization and selective partnerships protect integrity
  14. 57:37 – 1:02:25

    Oversaturation is a myth: there’s room for your one-of-a-kind voice

    They dismantle the “the market is saturated” excuse using scale and appetite: billions of people consume many books, shows, and creators. The core argument: art isn’t like a toaster—people want lots of it, and no one can replicate your perspective.

    • Two million podcasts vs billions of people: scale matters
    • Art is non-rivalrous—audiences want many voices, not one
    • Your uniqueness creates its own market
    • Often ‘oversaturation’ masks fear or playing small
  15. 1:02:25 – 1:11:09

    Jealousy as guidance + Final Five: lifelong learning and ‘make shitty art’

    Amie reframes jealousy as a compass that can inspire growth rather than comparison-driven collapse. They close with Jay’s “Final Five,” highlighting curiosity, risk-taking over caution, and a global “law” of making imperfect art.

    • Envy doesn’t vanish with success; it must be transformed
    • Choose to study mentors rather than resent them
    • Best advice: life as a school for endless learning
    • Final takeaway: remove perfectionism—make lots of ‘shitty art’

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