"DO THIS To Quickly Get Out Of A RUT TODAY!" | David Goggins & Jay Shetty

David Goggins 0:00 You have to tap into suffering every day of your life because we have so much scarring that we have to clean up. You have to look at suffering as almost like I look at failure. To succeed, you must fail. In failure and in suffering, all the answers are in there. All the answers to all the test questions. The test is your life. All the answers are in there. You don't have to live in suffering and pain and failure all the time. You have to learn, "I need to visit it." Like, people hate working out. You're only gonna visit working out maybe an hour a day. 23 other hours of the day, you're not in it.

Jay Shetty 0:40 Mm.

David Goggins 0:41 But how you become in shape is you must visit suffering, visit working out one hour a day. Visit suffering one hour a day. Visit your past failures one hour a day. The relationship with it is the answers are in there. They, they are in there within the suffering. Go in there. And I call it the live autopsy. The live autopsy. How you find out someone died? They crack you open after you're dead. How you can live is do it while you're alive.

Jay Shetty 1:13 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 1:13 Go back in your brain, crack it open while you're alive. Don't wait until you're fucking dead to figure out why you died. Do it while you are living. Go in there, go into the suffering. Go into the pain of your life and say, "Why did this suck for me so bad? Why am I afraid of all this stuff? Why have I shut down the whole world?" I guarantee I'll tell you why you shut down the whole world. It's in these nooks of the suffering within your brain. In the scarring are all the answers to why you are on the couch feeling sorry for yourself. They lie within the scars. Visit them for at least an hour a day. Study 'em and then you'll find out more about yourself. You will then grow. So don't look at it as every day I suffer. Go into it an hour a day. Learn from yourself. Learn from life. Learn from your failures. Learn from your insecurities. Learn from your self-doubt. Don't just say, "I'm afraid to jump off an airplane."

Jay Shetty 2:09 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 2:10 What makes you afraid of it? Study it. That's why I studied my mind. Why I became so powerful in the mind, because I realized I was weak. So instead of running away from the mind, I dove into it and said, "What is making me weak? Oh, this makes sense. I came from hell. I came from a place that beat me down to nothing, which is why I'm afraid. All this makes sense." So systematically, one by one, I went back and met every single person in my mind, every situation. I went one-on-one with them again in my mind and said, "Okay, let's now revisit this." And that's how you do it.

Jay Shetty 2:51 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 2:51 That's how it works.

Jay Shetty 2:52 Absolutely, man. That is... I love that. That is brilliant advice. Brilliant advice because it's, ultimately it's observing and self-study.

David Goggins 3:01 That's it.

Jay Shetty 3:01 Like observing and self-study, becoming an expert in observation-

David Goggins 3:04 That's right

Jay Shetty 3:05 ... of one's self. And the reason why that that process can be so challenging or that process is because, like you said, and I love that, you literally went through and re-met every person that caused you pain.

David Goggins 3:19 Every person.

Jay Shetty 3:19 I love that.

David Goggins 3:20 And guess what? People say, "How'd you do that?" You know every painful moment.

Jay Shetty 3:27 Yeah, you remember it.

David Goggins 3:28 You remember it. We try to put it under a rug. Lift the rug up, you'll find them.

Jay Shetty 3:32 Yeah, the dust will come up first.

David Goggins 3:33 Yeah, it'll come up quick.

Jay Shetty 3:34 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:35 So how... Yeah, that's how, that's how I was able to write that book.

Jay Shetty 3:37 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:37 How do you... You don't forget that shit.

Jay Shetty 3:39 No.

David Goggins 3:39 You want to.

Jay Shetty 3:40 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:40 And that's where you fail.

Jay Shetty 3:41 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 3:42 By trying to forget it.

Jay Shetty 3:43 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:43 That's where you fail. That's where there's no growth. Let's just move forward from all this.

Jay Shetty 3:47 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:48 There's no growth there.

Jay Shetty 3:49 There's no growth there.

David Goggins 3:49 No.

Jay Shetty 3:50 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:50 You just wanna, you just wanna forget about it.

Jay Shetty 3:52 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:52 You will continue making the same fucked up mistake.

Jay Shetty 3:55 Yeah.

David Goggins 3:55 You will continue doing the same things wrong-

Jay Shetty 3:57 And-

David Goggins 3:57 ... if you don't go back

Jay Shetty 3:58 Yeah. And the challenge we have is when we do revisit it, when someone tries or starts, they end up revisiting it, but then we end up... And we, me too, all of us, like, I'm not saying, when I'm, whenever I'm referring, it's me too. It's, it's also we become complaining or criticizing-

David Goggins 4:14 That's right

Jay Shetty 4:15 ... or comparing. So we do start, like I know a lot of people are, and myself too, I sometimes start revisiting something-

David Goggins 4:21 Right

Jay Shetty 4:21 ... but then I just use it as a crutch-

David Goggins 4:23 That's right

Jay Shetty 4:23 ... or an excuse. Then I'm still not getting there.

David Goggins 4:25 That's right.

Jay Shetty 4:26 I-

David Goggins 4:26 I do the same thing.

Jay Shetty 4:27 Yeah. Right?

David Goggins 4:28 I do the same thing.

Jay Shetty 4:28 How have you broke through that times when that's happened sometimes then?

David Goggins 4:31 So as I'm talking and as I'm going back, I'm very aware that I'm gonna do that.

Jay Shetty 4:37 Yes.

David Goggins 4:38 And I may do it for 45 minutes and then I'm like, "You knew you were gonna do this." You have to be very aware of the conversation you're having while you're doing it, 'cause your mind chooses the path of least resistance. Your mind has the ultimate tactical advantage over you. It knows what scars you. It, it, it knows your fears, it knows your insecurities, and it protects you, which is why I talk about the 40% rule in my book. The 40% rule is all about the brain has the tactical advantage over you. It knows, and it, it keeps you away from all that. That's why it says, "Don't jump out of an airplane. Don't go in the ocean where there's sharks." It's a protective mechanism. "Don't go back to the place where your dad beat the shit out of you in your mind. Don't go back." The brain protects you, but protects you so much it doesn't allow growth. So the brain is an amazing thing, but the brain controls you. You must control it. You must take power over your own mind, or your mind will guide you into all the soft spots, soft places that your brain wants to live in. Your brain has enough information. It doesn't wanna go through that process of, of mind hardening. Doesn't wanna do that. I gotta remember what time I gotta be here, what time I gotta be there. This is where I wanna stay. I'm peaceful. It wants to stay very peaceful and away from scarring. So that's, that's, that's what it is, man

Jay Shetty 6:06 Yeah. That's what it is. It's as simple as that, and we just never touch it, like a, like a box that-

David Goggins 6:11 That's it

Jay Shetty 6:11 ... you never look inside. You just leave it there.

David Goggins 6:13 You just mark it, "Scar."

Jay Shetty 6:15 Yeah. [laughs]

David Goggins 6:15 Put it up in the attic.

Jay Shetty 6:16 Yeah

David Goggins 6:16 Never touch again. Let it get dusty.

Jay Shetty 6:18 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 6:19 Now I wanted to talk to you about this because when I was reading about it in the book, it fascinated me because it reminded me of my, my three-month boot camp as a monk.

David Goggins 6:26 I love that, man.

Jay Shetty 6:27 The first, the first three months. I was sharing with you earlier.

David Goggins 6:29 Yes.

Jay Shetty 6:29 The first three months of, of monk training is super intense, like really, really tough because the whole point of it is to figure out who's in and who's not.

David Goggins 6:36 Right

Jay Shetty 6:36 Like, they don't want people to just be, be passengers-

David Goggins 6:39 Right

Jay Shetty 6:39 ... on the side. It's not a, it's not a place you come to just to have quiet and, and don't do anything. So that three-month boot camp's something that taught me so much. I'd love to hear about Hell Week and specific programs you built in your life that you went on, and what did you learn from them? What did you take away? But tell us first a bit about the program, and then tell us about what you learned.

David Goggins 6:58 So what I liked about your three-month Hell Week-

Jay Shetty 7:01 Yeah

David Goggins 7:02 ... you know, was the fact that that's where you find yourself. You find yourself when you are the, at, when you're not comfortable, when you're not comfortable on a daily basis, and that's how I started to grow. Like I said about the mind, it wants to put you in that nice 72-degree temperature with, with everything right there. It wants to be in that nice with a little massage therapist. That's where your mind wants to be. Doesn't wanna be... You know, we're talking about Hell Week, so it doesn't wanna be in Hell Week. In Hell Week, I, I was in three of them. I finished two of them in one year. Only person to ever do that in SEAL history. There's been people who, who, you know, who, who have gone through a couple Hell Weeks but in like five years, six years, seven years, eight years. I did, I was in three in one year. They say it takes off three to five years of your life. So Hell Week is 130 hours of continuous training. You might get two hours of sleep, and what it does is it's designed to break a man, to break a man down to the parts where... Like I talk about the surface, how I was fixing the surface. If you only fix the surface, you will never get through Hell Week. 'Cause what it does, it starts to bring out these demons. 'Cause even though there's a lot of yelling and stuff like that, there's times where it's very peaceful in a very eerie way. So the first hour of the 130 is breakout. They're shooting guns. It's loud. It's noisy. Your mind is in chaos. When your mind's in chaos, you can't think. So you're having fun. "Yeah, this is great. Yeah, we're in Hell Week. We're Navy SEAL, or trying to be Navy SEALs. We're badasses." Then what they do, and I don't even think that they understand what they're doing, but I studied the mind. It's perfect. It's psychological warfare. They go from a hour, the first hour when you're going crazy. The second hour of the 130, they put you in the cold water. It's called surf torture. Now they don't call it surf torture 'cause it's a kinder, gentler word. It's called surf acclimation or something like that.

Jay Shetty 9:06 [laughs]

David Goggins 9:06 Whatever. Everybody's getting soft.

Jay Shetty 9:08 [laughs]

David Goggins 9:09 So they... it's called surf torture for a good reason. They put you out there. No one's quit yet. It's only been a hour. Maybe a couple guys have. And you're in the Pacific Ocean, which is never warm. You're all linked arms. You're sitting there, and the waves are crashing over you. I went through winter Hell Weeks, which is cold. The Pacific Ocean is, like, 50 degrees. It was 49 this particular night in my third Hell Week. And what it does is it makes your mind flip out. We've been doing this now for three weeks, being in this water. But for some reason now, the water's colder than it's ever been. It's not. Our minds are fragile. We can process a day. It's hard to process 130 hours.

Jay Shetty 9:55 Mm.

David Goggins 9:56 There's no end. There's no end. So the mind starts to ramp up. So you're sitting there. It's quiet. No one's yelling at you. You hear the ocean. [imitates waves crashing] And you're freezing, and your mind goes spastic. It starts to think, "I have another 129 hours." You're not going home. You're getting yelled at. You could be frozen, so you panic, you freak out, and you wanna quit. What I realized about the mind is those people who can be in that time and embrace that time and be in that moment and not allow the mind to go to 129 hours on hour one, it's the control that we don't have in our minds. It's the control that you had to have for three months when you're miserable, when you're suffering, when you're laying on the floor, when you're doing all the disciplines it takes to be a monk. You cannot think about the whole process. It will make you, it, it will, it will make you so insanely crazy. It's impossible. It's inhumane what I'm about to do to myself. You have to be able to break all these big, humongous, painful things in life down to the smallest molecule 'cause that's all the brain can handle. The brain can't handle hours and hours and hours of suffering, but it can handle, "Right now I'm in the Pacific Ocean, and it's very cold, and this is what I'm doing." Don't think about the rest of it.

Jay Shetty 11:24 Mm.

David Goggins 11:24 So that's what I learned from Hell Week.

Jay Shetty 11:26 Wow.

David Goggins 11:26 That's what I learned from being in three Hell Weeks. That's what I learned from all the military. I went to Ranger School. I went to all these different schools to learn all of that, to learn how the mind processes. So I, I talk about theorists. I talk about practitioners.

Jay Shetty 11:42 Mm.

David Goggins 11:42 A theorist is a person who reads a book, doesn't do it, reads a book, learns about something, and then talks about it.

Jay Shetty 11:50 Mm.

David Goggins 11:51 A practitioner is myself. A practitioner is a person like me. I wanted to be an expert on the mind.

Jay Shetty 11:56 Mm.

David Goggins 11:57 A mental toughness guy, beyond mental toughness. The only way to do that, in my eyes, is to put yourself in hell.

Jay Shetty 12:03 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 12:04 Put it in hell repeatedly. Repeatedly put yourself in hell, and study how you process it. And that's how I was able to come up with all these different ways, all these different tools to, to slow the mind down in hell.

Jay Shetty 12:18 Mm.

David Goggins 12:18 'Cause the mind just speeds up. The mind wants to get out of the painful situation, the suffering. It can't, it can't process it. So that's what I realized by going through all these different processes of being in hell weeks.

Jay Shetty 12:30 Mm.

David Goggins 12:30 You know? It's, it's just that-

Jay Shetty 12:31 I love that, man. That's amazing

David Goggins 12:32 ... how the mind processes in hell.

Jay Shetty 12:33 Were you ever scared that you would lose the processing ability to be able to coach yourself through it? Were you ever scared when you were there?

David Goggins 12:41 I was, uh, there, there's some times where the mind gets overwhelmed-

Jay Shetty 12:45 Mm

David Goggins 12:45 ... and you cannot slow it down. But by these, these certain tools I developed, by not allowing your mind to get away from the moment, you cannot... You have to think about the exact moment that you're in. But I saw when I was younger, the moment became too big.

Jay Shetty 13:02 Mm.

David Goggins 13:03 When it became too big, I spazzed out and I would quit. But now I don't think about even like an hour from now I'll be eating. I won't even go there.

Jay Shetty 13:12 Ah.

David Goggins 13:12 'Cause then your mind-

Jay Shetty 13:14 Yeah, I see

David Goggins 13:15 ... oh, no, we must embrace this. Because now there's, you have to be a leader in this moment. It's not about you just getting through it. I had six guy- I had five guys, and six including me, in my boat crew, and I was the boat crew leader. So now another trick is this: if you don't think about yourself, there's no pain.

Jay Shetty 13:35 Mm.

David Goggins 13:36 Which can also lead to pain later on in your life.

Jay Shetty 13:39 Mm.

David Goggins 13:39 But in these moments when you're struggling, if you are a true leader and you're worried about your men or women beside you, your mind doesn't care how cold you are anymore.

Jay Shetty 13:48 Mm.

David Goggins 13:48 Your mind's only worried about taking care of the men and women beside you. So I started realizing, man, if I take care of these cats to my left and my right in the worst moments, my mind is no longer thinking about, "You're miserable, David Goggins. Get the hell out of here." You're thinking about, "How is John? How is Andy? How is Sam? How is Pete? How, hey, how you guys doing?" You're not thinking about me. So there's so many things you can do to get outside your own head-

Jay Shetty 14:12 Mm

David Goggins 14:12 ... to then allow your body to just be like, "Hey, we're just a machine." But you have to let your mind be able to process all these different tactics to do that. Take a different vantage point in life.

Jay Shetty 14:22 Mm.

David Goggins 14:23 When you are in the hell, you can't see the beauty of being in it when you're in it. Get on top of that mountaintop in your mind. Get on top of that mountaintop and look down on what you're doing. You can see a whole different world, and that world is beautiful, but you gotta get a different vantage point in the, in the suck. Don't be in it. Spiritually get out of it. Get that soul, look down on what you're doing. Be amazed by the process of where you're at now and where you came from.

Jay Shetty 14:53 Wow. I've got, I've got so many questions from that. [laughs] I've got so many questions from that. Okay. Let's, let's start with you s- and I love that. So you said one of the tricks is when you stop thinking about yourself, because when there's no self, there's no pain.

David Goggins 15:07 No pain.

Jay Shetty 15:07 And you start living for your team, the people, the other people suffering. Is it... I love that.

David Goggins 15:12 Yes.

Jay Shetty 15:12 Totally understand that. Servant leadership-

David Goggins 15:13 That's right

Jay Shetty 15:14 ... wanting to go beyond oneself. But you pointed out something really fascinating. You said it can lead to pain later.

David Goggins 15:20 That's right.

Jay Shetty 15:21 Explain that because I, I, I get that, and I-

David Goggins 15:24 So I've had this mentality for years. It got me through a lot of hard times. You cannot use it every day of your life.

Jay Shetty 15:32 That's, yeah, that's what I was thinking.

David Goggins 15:33 You cannot use it. I used it as like, "My God, this is the perfect... I found it. This is the trick. You just totally, you don't even matter. You're just a machine. You are a machine. Like, just, just, just like a lever. That's all you are, man." You're not. You're not. And in my book I talk about what that lever starts to get rusty, starts to get crusty. It starts to like, "I can't even think about anybody but myself." So through the process, what I started to learn was that helps a lot, and you can tap into that all the time, but you have to be able to heal yourself. You have to be able to recover yourself. It can't be something that you continue to do and do and do. There has to be a recovery process for your mind, your body, your soul. Your spirit encompasses your whole body.

Jay Shetty 16:23 Mm.

David Goggins 16:23 So those are tactics, but those tactics must be oiled up. That lever has to be oiled again to go back in it.

Jay Shetty 16:31 Absolutely. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not, it's not emergency use, but it's used in specific moments-

David Goggins 16:37 Exactly

Jay Shetty 16:37 ... knowing you can go back. And it's so true that for so many people who want to serve, it becomes the default, and I made that mistake myself. When I became a monk, it was because I wanted to wake up every day and serve.

David Goggins 16:49 That's right.

Jay Shetty 16:49 That was my goal. I was like, "I wanna wake up every day. I wanna use everything I've been given to serve humanity, or I just wanna serve people. I just wanna give." And I was just being that.

David Goggins 16:58 Right.

Jay Shetty 16:58 And so I would go through sleepless nights. I would push myself for weeks on end to go further for other people. And it was amazing because it felt fulfilling, and it, and it helped them too, but after a while I was broken. I, I, I lost my voice for six months. I was eating out of tubes for six months.

David Goggins 17:15 That's right.

Jay Shetty 17:15 I was writing on a whiteboard. You know, it was just my whole life kind of crumbled. I was sleeping 14 hours a day then because my life kind of went to the other side.

David Goggins 17:22 Yep.

Jay Shetty 17:23 Because I'd worked so hard to just give, give, give, give, give, and I loved it.

David Goggins 17:26 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 17:27 But in the process-

David Goggins 17:28 It changed you

Jay Shetty 17:28 ... I broke myself because I wasn't refueling. I wasn't-

David Goggins 17:31 That's right

Jay Shetty 17:31 ... renewing.

David Goggins 17:32 That's right.

Jay Shetty 17:33 Even though I was still taking, I was still meditating, I was still doing everything.

David Goggins 17:35 Yep. I talk about that big time in my last chapter-

Jay Shetty 17:38 Yes

David Goggins 17:38 ... how it just takes me to nothing, how I'm where you were at. You know, it's taken me five years of doing my meditation, my stretching, my eating right, my sleeping right, and you have to be on a constant reminder. Almost like how you put a reminder in your phone, 15 minutes you got this, that has to be in your brain. You've done too much. Stop.

Jay Shetty 18:01 Mm.

David Goggins 18:02 And what happens in life is that we start to see our lives become so successful.

Jay Shetty 18:07 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 18:07 We're making money. We're doing this. We're doing that. I want more. I want more. I push harder. I'm all about pushing hard. Don't get me wrong.

Jay Shetty 18:16 [laughs] Obviously.

David Goggins 18:17 I'm all about it. But to push as hard as you can, you have to be mindful of the machine that's pushing. It is going to end up dying, and then it takes years to get it back. So you lose that time.

Jay Shetty 18:32 Totally.

David Goggins 18:32 That time is gone. You know, I lost five years of I could be crushing it, where now I'm just now back to crushing it, realizing, God, man, I learned the hard way. That's really sometimes the only way to learn.

Jay Shetty 18:44 Yeah. Sometimes, yeah.

David Goggins 18:45 Sometimes the only way-

Jay Shetty 18:45 Sometimes. Yeah

David Goggins 18:46 ... to learn. That's how I've learned the best.

Jay Shetty 18:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 18:48 How do you know those indicators? So what are those indicators to know I'm pushing too hard, or I'm, I'm suffering too much? Because it's hard to know.

David Goggins 18:57 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 18:57 Right? Everyone gets in the gym even once a week or whatever, and it's like if you don't go often, you can feel like you're falling apart-

David Goggins 19:02 Right

Jay Shetty 19:03 ... after 10 minutes.

David Goggins 19:03 Do me a favor.

Jay Shetty 19:04 Yeah.

David Goggins 19:04 Go to the first-

Jay Shetty 19:05 Yeah

David Goggins 19:05 ... go to the first page of the, of, of... Not, n- no, not, I f- Go to, like, the first three pages of that book. You see one, o- one sentence.

Jay Shetty 19:13 Okay. To the unrelenting voice in my head that will never allow me to stop.

David Goggins 19:19 Okay. The unrelenting voice that we all have. What happens to that voice? I'm g- I'm a ask you a question. We all have a voice in our head. Some of us are very spiritual, some of us are not, but we all have this voice in, "You're doing fucked up shit. This is wrong."

Jay Shetty 19:33 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 19:33 "Don't do that." The more you don't listen to that voice, the further that voice gets away from your head. Some people call it the Holy Spirit, some people call it God, some monks, whatever. Whatever you call it.

Jay Shetty 19:43 Yeah.

David Goggins 19:43 It's there.

Jay Shetty 19:43 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 19:44 We all have it.

Jay Shetty 19:45 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 19:46 It's the right or wrong voice. But the more we don't listen to it, the more that voice goes away.

Jay Shetty 19:52 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 19:53 The only voice you hear is yourself.

Jay Shetty 19:55 Mm-hmm.

David Goggins 19:55 When all, w- when the only voice you hear is yourself, you're wrong. There's a voice that guides you through life. When sometimes it's guiding you in a direction that you don't wanna go-

Jay Shetty 20:04 Mm

David Goggins 20:05 ... that's usually the right place to go. It's that uncomfortable place. So that voice is always talking to me, but we don't listen to it. I listen to it. And when I start getting anxious, nervous, like I've done... We all know when we've done too much, 'cause it's telling us, "I'm getting tired. I'm wearing down." But we, we go, we go, we go. I start talking to my fiancée, "Hey, I'm doing too much." You start now, like, like I did in Hell Week, like I do all the time, the one-second decision. It's that decision when your mind starts to get so amped up. Whenever you can't hear yourself think, you gotta slow down. Whenever you're living off a schedule, every day's a schedule, every day's a schedule, you have no time for yourself. When you start... And we all know it. I don't have time for this anymore. I don't have time for that anymore. That's when your mind and your body are saying, "Think about that." I'm neglecting my fiancée. I'm neglecting my disciplines of life. I'm neglecting my reading, my learning, my, my workouts, my, my, my diet. When you start neglecting all of that, you neglect one of them. You can n- you can neglect all of them a long time. It's gonna haunt you.

Jay Shetty 21:14 Mm.

David Goggins 21:15 When you start seeing that, my God, I haven't eaten right in a long time, haven't been sleeping right in a long time, it can only be one of those things to take you off. So I'm, I'm, I'm very aware of my eating, my sleeping, my, my, my disciplines of life. You know, I started to get too far away from them. It's a hard stop.

Jay Shetty 21:34 Mm.

David Goggins 21:35 Because what made me, me are the self... not just disciplines, the self-disciplines of life.

Jay Shetty 21:43 Mm.

David Goggins 21:44 And those are always in front of you, if you have any. They're always in front of you.

Jay Shetty 21:48 Mm.

David Goggins 21:48 So that's, so that's my hard stop.

Jay Shetty 21:50 Yeah. I love that, man. That's great advice. And I guess a simple example is, is of, like, sleep. Like, when you wake up in the morning-

David Goggins 21:56 That's right

Jay Shetty 21:56 ... there's a part of you that's going, "Oh, I just go back to sleep."

David Goggins 21:58 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 21:58 Right? When we used to wake up at 4:00 AM as monks, sometimes 3:00, it's like there's the part, and then that's what you're saying, and then all you hear is yourself saying, "Ah, it's all right. Just go to sleep. It's okay."

David Goggins 22:08 That's right.

Jay Shetty 22:09 But then that voice has got quieter that says, "No, you need to get up."

David Goggins 22:12 That's right.

Jay Shetty 22:12 "You need to get up." And you've just pushed it away.

David Goggins 22:14 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 22:14 You just pushed it away.

David Goggins 22:15 And you-

Jay Shetty 22:16 And that's the c- discomfort that you need to-

David Goggins 22:18 That's right

Jay Shetty 22:18 ... embrace.

David Goggins 22:19 Exactly. So those voices are very important. They, they can guide you. That's the thing about, like I said, the mind's the most powerful weapon in the world.

Jay Shetty 22:25 Yeah.

David Goggins 22:27 It can guide you to being very comfortable also.

Jay Shetty 22:30 Yeah.

David Goggins 22:30 So you gotta be, you, you gotta be careful. The, the, the mind will trick you.

Jay Shetty 22:34 Yeah.

David Goggins 22:34 And it's saying, "Just sleep in today. You deserve it."

Jay Shetty 22:36 Yeah.

David Goggins 22:36 Sometimes you don't deserve it. So there's that, there's that fine line of, of the mind getting the tactical advantage over you to where you're like, "I've worked too hard."

Jay Shetty 22:45 Yeah.

David Goggins 22:45 You really haven't worked hard enough.

Jay Shetty 22:47 Mm.

David Goggins 22:48 So.

Jay Shetty 22:48 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. In, in, when we were trained as monks in the Vedic philosophy, it talks about the difference between the mind and the intelligence.

David Goggins 22:55 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 22:55 So the mind is compared to a child, and the intelligence is compared to a parent. And so when the child goes loose, when the mind goes loose, when it's not trained, controlled, disciplined, self-disciplined, et cetera, it can have tantrums. It can throw things out the pram, right?

David Goggins 23:09 That's right.

Jay Shetty 23:10 It, it demands more. Like, a child always wants to sleep in.

David Goggins 23:13 Right. Always.

Jay Shetty 23:13 Right? Always. Even if the child knows that it's better to wake up to go to school-

David Goggins 23:18 Right

Jay Shetty 23:18 ... a child doesn't want to. A child doesn't want to study for exams-

David Goggins 23:21 Right

Jay Shetty 23:22 ... 'cause it's hard. It's painful. And the adult's role, which is the intelligence, which is often we forget that it exists, the intelligence is that voice-

David Goggins 23:29 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 23:29 ... coaching the mind.

David Goggins 23:31 That's right.

Jay Shetty 23:32 But what often happens is the intelligence just tries to shout at the mind like a bad parent.

David Goggins 23:36 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 23:36 The parent just shouts.

David Goggins 23:37 That's 100% that-

Jay Shetty 23:38 No teaching, no education, no, no knowledge, just shouts.

David Goggins 23:42 That is 100... The, the way you explain that about the child's mind-

Jay Shetty 23:45 Mm

David Goggins 23:46 ... is 100% the truth.

Jay Shetty 23:48 Mm.

David Goggins 23:49 I just wanna sleep in. Always throwing tantrums, never getting what they want. Whenever they don't get what they want, they throw a tantrum. But what happens is we never grow. We, we are 40, 50, 60, still throwing that tantrum we once did at seven and eight years old. Some people think with age is growth. No, it's not. You have to go back into the scarring to get the growth.

Jay Shetty 24:13 Absolutely, because if, if with age you just repeated what you did when you were younger-

David Goggins 24:17 Exactly

Jay Shetty 24:18 ... it's just stronger.

David Goggins 24:19 That's it.

Jay Shetty 24:19 Right? You've just strengthened a bad muscle.

David Goggins 24:21 I'm throwing a bigger tantrum-

Jay Shetty 24:23 Yeah

David Goggins 24:23 ... at 43-

Jay Shetty 24:24 Yeah

David Goggins 24:24 ... than I did at 8.

Jay Shetty 24:25 Yeah.

David Goggins 24:25 So true.

Jay Shetty 24:26 Yeah. You just strengthen a bad muscle. Stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, and then that can break you. If you want even more videos just like this one, make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes over here. I'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book, Think Like a Monk, from thinklikamonkbook.com. Check below in the description to make sure you order today