How To Manifest A NEW REALITY For Yourself In 2022 (Achieve Anything You Want!) | Vanessa Hudgens

Vanessa Hudgens 0:00 It's taken so many years of, like, reflection and growth and, like, doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me into the person that I am. And I look back and I'm like, "I'm so grateful for all of it." But, like, by leaning in and, like, not putting them into, like, a storage unit in my mind, but, like, actually processing them and, like, growing and evolving from it has allowed me to, like, have confidence in myself because I'm just like, "I know that I'm enough." [upbeat music]

Jay Shetty 0:36 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, you know that I love sitting down with friends, people that I've connected with, people that I share space and energy with on this podcast. But sometimes something funny happens. I have a guest on who I feel I know, I've connected them- with them several times digitally, virtually, but never physically, and then finally when I get to experience their energy in person, I just go, "Yeah, this is my kind of person." And today's guest is someone that feels just like that. Her name, of course, is Vanessa Hudgens, an American actress, singer, entrepreneur, and producer. After making her feature film debut in Thirteen, she rose to fame portraying Gabriella Montez in the High School Musical film series, which brought her significant mainstream success. Since the release of her studio albums and the High School Musical franchise, Vanessa has focused on her acting career. She's appeared in films like Bandslam, Beastly, Sucker Punch, Journey 2: The Mysterious Island, Spring Breakers, The Princess Switch, Second Act, and Bad Boys for Life. She also launched her beverage business Caliwater, a line of cactus water, and her own skincare brand Know Beauty. Welcome to the show, my dear friend and becoming a deeper friend, uh, Vanessa Hudgens, and our beautiful Darla.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:09 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:09 [laughs] Darla.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:10 Thank you, from me and both Darla. You're so good at this. Wow. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:15 No, I just... I, I meant all of it. You've had this... You know, I actually grew, I grew up watching High School Musical because of my sister.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:21 Okay.

Jay Shetty 2:21 So I have a sister that's four and a half years younger than me.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:23 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 2:23 She loves you.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:24 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:25 Loves High School Musical. So I watched it through her lens.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:27 Yeah, I love that.

Jay Shetty 2:28 And, and then-

Vanessa Hudgens 2:29 A connecting thing for the two of you. I love that.

Jay Shetty 2:30 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then obviously we connected through Joe, uh, and our ZenZone.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:36 Yeah, which is so funny.

Jay Shetty 2:38 Uh, which is just amazing what Joe started and built.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:41 It's so incredible.

Jay Shetty 2:42 It's-

Vanessa Hudgens 2:42 I'm like, if it wasn't for that, I never would've met Cole. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:45 I know. Yes, and that, and then that.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:47 And I'm like, "Hallelujah." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:48 [laughs] So you are officially giving me and Joe the credit now.

Vanessa Hudgens 2:51 [laughs] Yes.

Jay Shetty 2:52 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 2:52 Completely. Actually-

Jay Shetty 2:54 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 2:55 ... it wouldn't be a thing if it wasn't for you guys.

Jay Shetty 2:57 Uh, for Joe, for Joe. I- Joe, you can take all the credit.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:00 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 3:00 Uh, you deserve it. Darla, I just do wanna acknowledge, you are the first ever dog to appear on On Purpose.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:08 She, she jumped up here and seated herself like a human.

Jay Shetty 3:13 I know. I'm so grateful she's here. She has such a beautiful energy too-

Vanessa Hudgens 3:15 I know

Jay Shetty 3:16 ... and I'm so happy she's with us.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:17 She's a little lady.

Jay Shetty 3:18 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 3:18 [laughs] I was told that she was a French girl in a past life.

Jay Shetty 3:22 Oh.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:22 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 3:22 That's very cool.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:23 I know.

Jay Shetty 3:24 Well, this is the thing, Vanessa, that, you know, I think when people view you from afar, of course, you have this amazing career. You do an incredible job, whether you're hosting, whether you're acting, whether you're strong. I thought you were awesome in Bad Boys for Life.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:37 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 3:38 Uh, I love the movie, of course. You know, just how your roles and those characters evolved into the franchise was amazing. You're doing so many incredible things with Caliwater, and I know we've got so many other things to talk about. But I think for me, what got me deeply intrigued in you and wanting this conversation with you is the conversations we had through ZenZone.

Vanessa Hudgens 3:58 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 3:58 And so for those of you who don't know what ZenZone is, this is something that Joe Jonas had the idea for at the beginning of the pandemic, and you can tell me how you heard about it-

Vanessa Hudgens 4:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 4:07 ... because I don't know how you found-

Vanessa Hudgens 4:07 I'll tell you my side. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:08 Yeah. So, so Joe reached out to me, and he said to me that we did this meditation as part of a, a charity event for the We Foundation, and I was asked to teach meditation. Me and Joe had never met before. We're on this live. I lead this meditation, and Joe said he had a great time. We got introduced over text. He texted me and said, "Hey, we're doing, we're getting together with my friends this Saturday. It's the pandemic."

Vanessa Hudgens 4:31 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 4:31 "I'd love for you to teach a meditation." I was like, "Sure."

Vanessa Hudgens 4:34 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:34 I thought we'd do it once.

Vanessa Hudgens 4:35 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:36 We've now done it every week for 75 weeks.

Vanessa Hudgens 4:38 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:38 We've had a bit of a hiatus for the last couple of months.

Vanessa Hudgens 4:41 Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:41 And he would just invite his friends, and I hadn't even met him, let alone everyone. That's where I met you.

Vanessa Hudgens 4:47 I, yeah.

Jay Shetty 4:47 And for anyone who doesn't know, I lead a meditation, but then I open it out to a beautiful group of people to reflect, share their insights, and we did this every week during the pandemic. And when you'd come on, and you'd talk and share your reflection, I was just like, "I had no idea-

Vanessa Hudgens 5:03 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 5:03 ... that Vanessa had this, like, intentional, mindful practice in her life." And I was so, that was so endearing and intriguing.

Vanessa Hudgens 5:12 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 5:12 But tell us about how you discovered ZenZone.

Vanessa Hudgens 5:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 5:14 And, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 5:15 Um, me and Alexandra Shipp-

Jay Shetty 5:16 Yes

Vanessa Hudgens 5:16 ... were both working on Tick, Tick... Boom!

Jay Shetty 5:19 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 5:19 Um, and we, like, had, uh, the rehearsal space, and then we had to shut down production because of COVID and locking down and everything. And, um, when we finally got back to it, it was in September, like pre-vaccine, so we were in, like, a bubble. But we, she was like, "I've been doing this meditation. I think that you would really enjoy it." And I'm like, "So down. Love a meditation." Um, and I got on there, and I was just like, "Oh, my God. This is so beautiful." And, and your meditation that you led was so So like grounding and centering and just like fulfilling for my soul and I was like, "Oh my God, this is amazing." And then I remember I got added to the group chat and [laughs] then we got sent the, the Zoom for the next Zoom, everyone sending confirmations of themself, like Jo's sending one, Wilmer sends one, I send one, and then I thought someone was making a joke by sending a baseball player sliding onto a base and lifting his head and going like... [inhales]

Jay Shetty 6:23 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 6:23 [laughs] So I was like, "Hot," and responded in all caps, "Hot!" And then I got on the Zoom and Alex was sitting next to me, and I remember seeing Cole and just being like, "Who is that?"

Jay Shetty 6:35 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 6:36 And she's like, "I don't know." And then like he smiled, and then I was like, "Who is that?"

Jay Shetty 6:40 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 6:40 [laughs] She's like, "I don't know." And then found like his name and then like found him on Instagram, and then sent follow, and, and then I was like, "Oh, he's the baseball player. Hilarious."

Jay Shetty 6:51 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 6:52 Hilarious. Well, I already shot my shot, so he knows. And then later I come to find out that like he was watching me hit Alex, and he was like, "There's either, like, something on my face or, like, this girl hates me, or, like, I don't know." But he could, like, see me because it's like a meditation. Everyone's, like, sitting and, like, so still.

Jay Shetty 7:12 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 7:12 And I'm here, like, slapping Alex.

Jay Shetty 7:15 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 7:15 [laughs] Like losing my mind. Um, but it's been so beautiful. Like I, I love the practice so much, and it's so, it's so nice having you there leading the charge and, and just, like, feeling so safe in this space to, like, reflect and, and to hear how different things affects each other and, like, listening to each other and the, the reflection is so conducive to growth. So it's just, like, been so beautiful. I'm so grateful of it.

Jay Shetty 7:42 Aw. You, you, you're genuinely so kind. I really appreciate those beautiful words, but I, I find it fascinating that this beautiful relationship for you has evolved. We'll talk about that. But I'm surprised we haven't yet had one. So Jo also comes up with funny zen names for every-

Vanessa Hudgens 7:57 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 7:57 ... episode, so I think we've had Zendaya.

Vanessa Hudgens 7:59 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 7:59 We've had, uh, I, I mean, there's so many, I'll have to look through. But we haven't had a Vanessa Hud-zen.

Vanessa Hudgens 8:06 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 8:06 We haven't done that. We haven't done that yet. I'll have to throw that out to him, uh, as an option for the next one.

Vanessa Hudgens 8:12 Oh, funny. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 8:12 Yeah, he hasn't-

Vanessa Hudgens 8:13 That's hilarious

Jay Shetty 8:13 ... he hasn't done that yet.

Vanessa Hudgens 8:14 No.

Jay Shetty 8:15 But, but when did... Uh, when I, when I heard your reflections,

Jay Shetty 8:18 I was like, okay, Vanessa's been in this space for a long time. Like spirituality, whatever you call it-

Vanessa Hudgens 8:23 Yeah

Jay Shetty 8:23 ... and I'd love to hear it through your language. I was like, oh, she, she's an evolved being. This is something she has invested in for many years before this. This is not her first meditation. This is part of her life. When did any of these ideas get introduced to you and how do they exist in your world?

Vanessa Hudgens 8:40 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 8:40 I'm genuinely fascinated-

Vanessa Hudgens 8:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Jay Shetty 8:41 ... 'cause I don't think I know.

Vanessa Hudgens 8:42 Yeah. I mean, I feel like I've always been a meditative person. I f- I remember I used to live in San Diego and I, my parents would drive me up to LA all the time for auditions. Um, and it's a long drive. You know, it's like three and a half hours.

Jay Shetty 9:00 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 9:01 Like, and I'm young. I'm probably like eight years old, nine years old. Um, and I remember one time just sitting with the window down, like feeling the breeze on my face, just like clear mind staring out, and my dad being like, "What are you thinking about?" And I was like, "Literally nothing." [laughs] Uh, a- and then I think that as I got older, that moment for some reason would come back to me and I was like, "Oh man, like, am I stupid? Like, does that mean that I have nothing going on in my mind?" And then as I continued to evolve, the more that I realized that was a state of zen, a state of peace, and, like, meditation practice is something that has naturally just, like, come for me. Um, I feel like I started actually getting introduced to it when I was probably 16. I was in Brazil. [laughs] Um, this was, like, after High School Musical had come out and me and Zac Efron were dating, and we went to this island, like in Brazil somewhere, and it was a magazine. And they were like, "We can offer you yoga classes if you want." And I was like, "I've never done that. Like, I'd love to try. I'm always down to try new things." And I remember it was, like, outside under this canopy of trees, and it was like the first time that I feel like I had a mindful practice-

Jay Shetty 10:27 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 10:27 ... um, where I was, like, aware of what I was actually doing, and I just became hooked. I remember I was like, straight off the bat, I was like, "I think I need to become a yoga instructor." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 10:38 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 10:38 I think that's just something that I need to do now.

Jay Shetty 10:39 I love it. One yoga class. Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 10:40 Literally, I was like-

Jay Shetty 10:41 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 10:41 ... "I'm sold."

Jay Shetty 10:42 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 10:42 And then I think that, like, that really led to, like, mindfulness and, like, practice and... And then when did meditation actually come into play? Honestly, probably Deepak Chopra. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 10:55 Mm. Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 10:56 I feel like-

Jay Shetty 10:57 Deepak's great.

Vanessa Hudgens 10:57 Yeah. I feel like I came across, like, an audio something of his on meditations, and I remember doing that and just being like, "Oh wow, there's, like, so much here," and, like, noticing how it affected my everyday life and just my state of mind. Um, and yeah, it's like I feel like the sit down to actually meditate doesn't fully happen that often, [laughs] um, which is why I love our ZenZone-

Jay Shetty 11:27 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 11:27 ... because, like, it gives me a reason to actually do it. Um, but the, the, the state of mindfulness, I think, is something that is carried into so many different aspects of, of spirituality. And-

Jay Shetty 11:39 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 11:39 ... spirituality itself has been, like, such an evolving journey for me. I mean, I remember I was... How old was I? I was filming Journey to the Mysterious Island.

Jay Shetty 11:50 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 11:51 Um, and I was on the big island where they shot Jurassic Park.

Jay Shetty 11:56 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 11:56 And so it's just, like, beautiful rolling mountains. It's, like, stunning and I remember thinking to myself like, "Oh," like, "I am spiritual because I, I, I don't..." Can't, like, relate anymore to religion practices that were instilled with me as a child. But, like, I feel so much and I know that I'm a part of something bigger, and I feel, like, vibration of the land and I just feel connected to spirit.

Jay Shetty 12:23 Mm.

Vanessa Hudgens 12:24 Um, and then that itself has evolved [laughs]

Jay Shetty 12:27 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 12:28 So much. And, like, I feel like I'm back at that place where I'm like, I am very, very spiritual. I, I take time to connect to my spirit, but also spirit around me.

Jay Shetty 12:40 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 12:40 Um, and I make sure I take time to connect to, to nature, and I give praise when magic happens because it happens all the time, and I feel like it's so important to acknowledge it and to give it gratitude because then it starts coming into your life so much more. It just, it like, it's really insane once you start acknowledging them, how, like, it's, it's an abundance of, of magic.

Jay Shetty 13:08 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:08 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 13:09 Wow, that's contagious.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:10 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 13:10 I'm literally hearing you say that and I'm like, that is so infectious.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:14 It's just, it's so

Vanessa Hudgens 13:15 true though.

Jay Shetty 13:15 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:15 And, like, it's so beautiful because then you're filling your life with, like, this, the, these moments of wonder.

Jay Shetty 13:22 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:23 And, like, I think that's so important as an adult because as children we have that all the time.

Jay Shetty 13:28 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:28 But, like, as you grow up, you kind of forget how important it is to have that.

Jay Shetty 13:32 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:32 I'm, like, such a big kid.

Jay Shetty 13:34 Yeah. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 13:35 [laughs] That, like, she's always a child at heart.

Jay Shetty 13:38 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:38 But, like, wonderment I think is something that's so important for the soul.

Jay Shetty 13:42 I, I couldn't agree more.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:43 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 13:43 I, I love that, and I think it's... When I think about wonder and childlikeness, it's the same as what I feel my wife's brought back into my life.

Vanessa Hudgens 13:53 Love that, yeah.

Jay Shetty 13:53 And I felt for so long I started to take life too seriously, or I was very, I was very focused and my-

Vanessa Hudgens 13:59 Yeah, a man needs a good woman to bring him back. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 14:01 Abso- 1000%. 1000%.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:03 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 14:04 And my wife has just brought this, like, childlike energy back into my life.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:07 Yeah. I love that.

Jay Shetty 14:07 And it's something you have to protect.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:10 Totally.

Jay Shetty 14:11 I feel like the childlike energy is something you have to nurture and protect in yourself-

Vanessa Hudgens 14:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 14:15 ... in the people you love-

Vanessa Hudgens 14:16 Totally

Jay Shetty 14:17 ... in the people around you.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:18 I mean, even your inner child. Like, I remember that being, like, a, a big, big wake-up moment for me. I, I think it was in, like, Larry Moss's acting classes.

Jay Shetty 14:27 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:27 I was doing, like, one of his intensive workshops, and he talks about how important it is to, like, nurture your inner child because there... We all have that. We all have that, like, little boy or girl inside of us that's, like, kind of scared at times, but is, like, so explorative and, like, has wonderment. But you have to nurture that.

Jay Shetty 14:49 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:49 And if you don't, like, it, it gets neglected.

Jay Shetty 14:52 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:52 And you can't neglect your inner child.

Jay Shetty 14:55 Definitely not.

Vanessa Hudgens 14:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 14:56 Definitely not. I mean, don't... Do you think that's what's... I mean, for yourself, like, you've been in the industry a long time now-

Vanessa Hudgens 15:02 Yeah

Jay Shetty 15:03 ... since you were extremely young, and I feel like you've been great at, like, navigating it with grace and pivoting and figuring things out. And obviously from the time we've been getting to know each other through ZenZone and even today, I can tell that there's so much thoughtfulness and so much clarity for you.

Jay Shetty 15:23 Do you think that nurturing that inner child is what has helped you navigate a very tough industry? Or what, what has that been? What has helped you?

Vanessa Hudgens 15:31 I feel like, I feel like that's definitely part of it-

Jay Shetty 15:32 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 15:33 ... for sure.

Jay Shetty 15:34 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 15:34 Um, because it allows me to stay extraordinarily passionate-

Jay Shetty 15:40 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 15:40 ... about my loves, which is, like, everything, you know? Like, in my work and in my life and in the way I spend my time. But I think the thing that honestly has kept me going is accepting change and evolving and, and knowing that evolution is, like, a positive thing and, and leaning into the, like, scary, scary things that, like, uh, could hurt me and-

Jay Shetty 16:09 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 16:09 ... and, like, just constantly reevaluating what it is to be a human in this experience and, like, who do I want to be?

Jay Shetty 16:21 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 16:22 Because, like, that's genuinely, like, a choice. You, like, have... We have so many choices every single day on, like, how we build our, our character, how we present ourselves to the world.

Jay Shetty 16:33 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 16:33 And, like, I feel like I've had multiple moments where I've had to, like, really look at myself and reassess and say, "What kind of woman do I wanna be?"

Jay Shetty 16:44 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 16:44 Um, and, like, who am I truly? Like, what, what is my core? What is my, what are my values?

Jay Shetty 16:51 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 16:51 Um, and I feel like it's just allowed me to feel really confident and strong in who I am as a person, 'cause I think that that's, that's where a lot of people have difficulties in-

Jay Shetty 17:05 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 17:05 ... in Hollywood because you end up, like, morphing into different people because, aye, it's a, it's a tough grind, but- [laughs]

Jay Shetty 17:13 It is. It is, because people morph into the roles they play.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:16 Totally.

Jay Shetty 17:17 They morph into the role they have to play-

Vanessa Hudgens 17:19 Exactly

Jay Shetty 17:19 ... and portray.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:20 Totally.

Jay Shetty 17:21 They morph into the role that their manager or their agent thinks-

Vanessa Hudgens 17:24 Exactly

Jay Shetty 17:24 ... they need to be.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:25 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 17:25 Or the person who came before them that they're trying to be like.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:28 Totally.

Jay Shetty 17:29 So there's all these identities that-

Vanessa Hudgens 17:30 Totally

Jay Shetty 17:31 ... yeah, you're trying to morph into, that it's hard to remember your own, I guess.

Jay Shetty 17:35 What, what was a formative experience at a younger age that you think has, uh, given you a sense of groundedness as you've gone on? Were there any formative experiences, uh, as you grew-

Vanessa Hudgens 17:45 Yeah

Jay Shetty 17:45 ... at any point in your childhood or-

Vanessa Hudgens 17:48 No, I mean, like-

Jay Shetty 17:48 ... early teenage years?

Vanessa Hudgens 17:49 I [laughs] I don't know why. I don't know if this is, like-

Jay Shetty 17:53 Oh, go

Vanessa Hudgens 17:53 ... actually at all relevant, but-

Jay Shetty 17:54 The first is the best.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:55 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 17:55 The first is the best.

Vanessa Hudgens 17:56 Yeah, yeah. Um, I, I was the kid that loved playing in the dirt [laughs]

Jay Shetty 18:02 Cool.

Vanessa Hudgens 18:03 You know, like-

Jay Shetty 18:03 Okay

Vanessa Hudgens 18:03 ... I was always the kid that was, like, in the garden, like, grabbing, like, pieces of, of plants and, like, smushing them together and, like, grabbing the flowers and, like, doing, like, little collages in the dirt. Like, I've always, like, been f- I feel like I've always felt very connected to Earth.

Jay Shetty 18:22 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 18:22 Um, and I look back at it now and I'm just like, it's so funny because n- now I'm- I, I, like, love practicing, like, witchcraft and having rituals and, and, like, playing and being a part of Earth and connecting with it is such a big part of it. And I'm just like, "Oh, wow, she was always there."

Jay Shetty 18:41 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 18:41 She was always there.

Jay Shetty 18:43 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 18:43 She was always playing in the dirt. Um, but yeah, like, I f- I feel like I also was raised in a way where, like, my parents didn't have a lot.

Jay Shetty 18:50 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 18:50 My dad was a firefighter. My mom was from the Philippines, like, came out to the States when she was 24 with my dad.

Jay Shetty 18:57 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 18:58 Um, and it was, like, the first man she'd ever even been with.

Jay Shetty 19:00 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:00 Like, first guy she ever kissed.

Jay Shetty 19:02 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:02 Like, crazy. Um, but I was raised very modestly.

Jay Shetty 19:07 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:07 So I think that, like, that definitely shaped me into who I am, because I'm very mindful about, like, where I spend my money-

Jay Shetty 19:13 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 19:13 ... and, and, like, [laughs] what I'm doing with it.

Jay Shetty 19:16 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 19:16 And, like, I- but, like, it also, I think, makes me work harder and want to do the work myself, do the dirty work.

Jay Shetty 19:25 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:25 Hey, I'm just bringing it back-

Jay Shetty 19:26 Yeah [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 19:26 ... to the dirt. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:28 [laughs] I love it.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:29 But yeah, like, because that's just, like, my, my character. That's how I was raised.

Jay Shetty 19:34 Yeah. That's, that's beautiful to hear. And, uh, I, I'm gonna ask you now to define what witchcraft is for the un-

Vanessa Hudgens 19:41 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:41 ... you know, for those who may not be aware, and, and those rituals. Because I think as you say those words, uh, I'd love for you to extrapolate them, because I've seen so- I've seen you post when you get new tattoos-

Vanessa Hudgens 19:51 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:51 ... and, like, and, and, and it's cool, but I would love, I'd love for you to explain that-

Vanessa Hudgens 19:54 Totally

Jay Shetty 19:55 ... to, to those that don't know.

Vanessa Hudgens 19:55 Um,

Vanessa Hudgens 19:56 I think, like, being a witch genuinely is, like, so many different things for each person. Um, to me it's, it's a, a mindfulness, for sure. Um, it's connecting to your elements. Um, it's about understanding the fact that everything is energetic and we can push and pull things-

Jay Shetty 20:19 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 20:19 ... um, if we set our mind to it and ask for it. Um, it's a lot of manifesting- [laughs]

Jay Shetty 20:25 Mm-hmm, yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 20:25 ... which I love. Um, and rituals are, like, I love, like, a full moon ritual where I'll, like, sage my space and, like, cleanse my energy and my aura, and then, like, ask my angels and my ancestors and my spirit guides to be there with me and to help carry out my message. Um, and then, like, [laughs] honestly, writing things down on some bay leaves-

Jay Shetty 20:50 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 20:50 ... and burning them [laughs] is really exciting 'cause it burns and, like, it's really, it like-

Jay Shetty 20:56 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 20:56 ... it really catches flame.

Jay Shetty 20:57 Yeah. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 20:58 Um, [laughs] it feels magical. Um, but, like, it's like connecting to Earth-

Jay Shetty 21:02 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 21:02 ... and, like, to spirit and, and, like, tapping in-

Jay Shetty 21:07 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 21:07 ... because y- I feel like you really can.

Jay Shetty 21:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah, d- I mean-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:12 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 21:12 ... I love hearing that because I think when people hear the word witchcraft-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:15 Totally

Jay Shetty 21:16 ... or witches, we have a very dated view-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:18 Yeah

Jay Shetty 21:18 ... of what that-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:19 Stigmatized-

Jay Shetty 21:19 Yes, ex- exactly

Vanessa Hudgens 21:20 ... view of where you hear a witch and, like, people are like, "Burn her at the stake."

Jay Shetty 21:24 Exactly, and I, I-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:25 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 21:25 ... I grew up in London, where one of the attractions to visit as a tourist was the London Dungeons.

Vanessa Hudgens 21:32 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 21:32 And so you'd go to see these London Dungeons, and they would show you how, uh, women, and mainly women, who were wrongly accused of being witches-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:40 Yeah

Jay Shetty 21:40 ... and of course witches in the stigmatized or the, uh, negative sense-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:44 Totally

Jay Shetty 21:45 ... as we've seen portrayed in movies-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:46 Yeah

Jay Shetty 21:46 ... and things like that.

Vanessa Hudgens 21:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 21:47 And, and you would see how they'd be burned and, and the kind of dungeons that they had to stay in and the states they had to stay in. And now obviously when you say the word, you're looking at it from, like, uh, the good witch, like, you know-

Vanessa Hudgens 21:58 [laughs] Literally

Jay Shetty 21:58 ... like the witch of manifestation-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:00 Yeah, exactly

Jay Shetty 22:01 ... and, and joy and kindness and that-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:02 I feel like that's the modern witch.

Jay Shetty 22:04 Yes, yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 22:04 [laughs] Actually.

Jay Shetty 22:04 And redefining that word is so important because-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:07 It, it really is

Jay Shetty 22:07 ... language, I think, today is so much of the reason we have disagreements-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:11 100%

Jay Shetty 22:12 ... and one of the reasons why we don't understand each other.

Vanessa Hudgens 22:14 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 22:14 And when you start explaining what a witch is, I'm like, yeah, that's like, uh, what's the, the witch in, um-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:20 Glenda.

Jay Shetty 22:20 Yes, exactly.

Vanessa Hudgens 22:21 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 22:21 That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah, yeah, you read my mind. That's it, and I was like, yeah, she was a witch-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:25 Literally

Jay Shetty 22:25 ... and she's called a witch-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:26 Yeah

Jay Shetty 22:26 ... in the movie.

Vanessa Hudgens 22:27 She is.

Jay Shetty 22:27 But when you think about it-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:28 Yeah

Jay Shetty 22:28 ... the witch you remember-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:29 Yeah

Jay Shetty 22:29 ... is not her, right?

Vanessa Hudgens 22:31 No, no.

Jay Shetty 22:31 And so it's so fascinating when you think about it from that way. What have-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:35 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 22:35 I love those rituals you just walked us through. When you're doing those rituals or when you've built those practices up, what has given you strength to believe that they have an impact? Is it something you feel? Is it something you've heard? Is it, is it a connection? Like, how, how do you go, "Yes, this works for me. This matters in my life"?

Vanessa Hudgens 22:53 I feel like it's such an intuitive thing.

Jay Shetty 22:56 Mm. Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 22:56 And like I said, I, I was the little girl playing in the dirt-

Jay Shetty 22:59 Yeah, so-

Vanessa Hudgens 22:59 ... like, mushing up-

Jay Shetty 23:00 It feels connected

Vanessa Hudgens 23:01 ... herbs and-

Jay Shetty 23:02 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 23:02 It does. It feels, it feels really grounding and connecting to me. And, like, I've manifested for years and, like, i- if you're very clear and intentional on what you want, you have a much better chance at getting it than if you weren't.

Jay Shetty 23:17 Can you tell us a manifestation story of-

Vanessa Hudgens 23:19 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 23:20 Can you tell us one that you feel is worth sharing that you-

Vanessa Hudgens 23:22 Yeah. I mean, like, even, like, Cole.

Jay Shetty 23:25 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 23:25 Like, I, I was very clear, very intentional about what it is exactly-

Jay Shetty 23:32 Tell us what you're intentional. I wanna know

Vanessa Hudgens 23:34 ... that I want. Uh, it's like, I was like, I want someone who... Oh man, I wish I had- I literally have, like, a list.

Jay Shetty 23:41 Okay.

Vanessa Hudgens 23:41 Um, it was I want someone who loves themself wholeheartedly, um, someone who understands the importance of, like, having a good time, someone who has, like, the right priorities in life, you know, like, has the same fundamentals as me, um, which is, like, you live You don't ... What is it? You don't live to work. No.

Jay Shetty 24:10 You don't live to work.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:10 You don't live to work.

Jay Shetty 24:11 You work to live.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:12 You work to live.

Jay Shetty 24:12 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, someone who understands, like, the importance of life outside of work.

Jay Shetty 24:18 Mm.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:18 There's a whole list. But literally when I met Cole, I was like, "You literally check all my boxes."

Jay Shetty 24:26 What I love about your list, though, and that's why I asked you, because I, I expected that you list. That is the most mature-

Vanessa Hudgens 24:33 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 24:33 ... refined list I have ever heard of.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:36 [laughs] Thank you.

Jay Shetty 24:37 Because, because most lists do not go that deep.

Vanessa Hudgens 24:41 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 24:41 Like, that, that is a very genuinely, and I, and I'm not saying this to flatter you at all, I'm genuinely saying it because-

Vanessa Hudgens 24:47 Thank you

Jay Shetty 24:48 ... I hear a lot of lists-

Vanessa Hudgens 24:49 Yeah

Jay Shetty 24:49 ... in my coaching work and-

Vanessa Hudgens 24:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 24:51 ... when I'm with clients and-

Vanessa Hudgens 24:52 Yeah

Jay Shetty 24:52 ... and over the years, people that I've worked with. And lists, those are all, like, incredible attributes which show your self-awareness of who you are and what you need in your life.

Vanessa Hudgens 25:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:04 But they're also not so specifically defined that it's kind of very difficult that that exists.

Vanessa Hudgens 25:13 Totally.

Jay Shetty 25:13 If that makes sense.

Vanessa Hudgens 25:14 Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:14 It's not like I want this and I want that-

Vanessa Hudgens 25:17 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 25:17 ... and he should have this.

Vanessa Hudgens 25:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:19 And it's not stuff about he should have.

Vanessa Hudgens 25:20 No, no, no, no, no.

Jay Shetty 25:21 It's about his mindset and-

Vanessa Hudgens 25:22 Exactly

Jay Shetty 25:23 ... his belief system. Walk us through, how do you assess, and assess is the wrong word, because in a relationship you're not assessing

Jay Shetty 25:29 someone. How do you engage with someone in a way to know that those things exist within them? And I'm asking you this for yourself-

Vanessa Hudgens 25:39 Yeah

Jay Shetty 25:39 ... because I find that sometimes people may make a list or they have a list. And first of all, I would like to remind anyone, if you are gonna make a list, think about Vanessa's list and just think about how, how ... I'm trying to find the right word to define your list. I would say that it is extremely mindset based.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:00 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 26:00 And it's extremely an approach to life.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:03 Yeah, exactly.

Jay Shetty 26:03 You're looking with someone who has a specific approach to life.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:06 Exactly, yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:07 Uh, it's not that they have a specific life.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:08 That's very true, yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:09 Right?

Vanessa Hudgens 26:10 Yeah. Exactly.

Jay Shetty 26:10 Does that make sense?

Vanessa Hudgens 26:11 100%.

Jay Shetty 26:11 Yeah. And so how did you, you know, ascertain-

Vanessa Hudgens 26:14 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 26:15 ... that Cole had some of these things? Because I think what often happens is when we get attracted to someone or we feel a sense of infatuation-

Vanessa Hudgens 26:24 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 26:24 ... or we feel some chemistry or a spark with someone, often that ability to ascertain whether we're really gonna be a good match goes out the window.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:32 Totally.

Jay Shetty 26:33 How are you able to hold both? Because I think we do need attraction and chemistry, of course we do.

Vanessa Hudgens 26:37 Oh, yeah, 100%.

Jay Shetty 26:37 But at the same time you're saying, "Well, I was able to s- assess that he does have certain traits."

Vanessa Hudgens 26:42 Yeah. I mean, I was in an eight-year-long relationship before-

Jay Shetty 26:46 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 26:47 ... him. Um, so after that I was like, "Okay, we're getting serious."

Jay Shetty 26:51 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 26:51 Like, we are going to make a list of things that I need, like, genuinely. Like, not want, but actually need. Um, and with some of it, it was being very straightforward, um, with like [laughs] my questions as to like how he goes about life. Um, and then in other ways, it was just like really observing him and like genuinely his approach to life. Um, like he, he has like an infectious spirit and I'm like that is something that is so beautiful and so wonderful and I'm like I, I see myself in that as well. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:33 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 27:34 But like we just like had the same, the same spirit and I think that like straight off the bat I was very forthright with like what it is that I want in a relationship and like I was like, "Cool, so you're down. You, you're into those things as well. Love that." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:48 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 27:49 But like just being very straightforward. Like, you plan on getting married one day? Like, you plan on having kids? You like kids? What's your relationship with your parents?

Jay Shetty 27:56 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 27:57 Like, what's your relationship with your friends? How do you enjoy your work? Like, everything. Just like diving in because like if you don't, like those things get lost in the shuffle and then you end up investing time on people that you shouldn't.

Jay Shetty 28:10 Is that date one? [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 28:11 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:12 That was good.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:12 That might have been date two. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:14 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:14 Might have been date two.

Jay Shetty 28:15 Yeah. I, I am so happy hearing you say that. I, and I just want everyone to know that while we're having this conversation, I do not know this story in depth the way Vanessa's explaining it, so this is also my first reaction to it. I am so happy hearing you say that.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:28 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:28 Like, it, it gives me so much assurance and confidence in what I hope people will do to find-

Vanessa Hudgens 28:33 Totally

Jay Shetty 28:34 ... love in their life.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:35 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 28:35 Uh, I did the same with Radhi. We had the same conversations. We talked about children, we talked about our values, we talked about our beliefs, we talked about expectations.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:43 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 28:43 I was very clear with Radhi of the man that I think I am and the man that I didn't want to be.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:49 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 28:49 Uh, I was clear about what my aspirations and priorities were-

Vanessa Hudgens 28:53 Totally

Jay Shetty 28:53 ... and what I wouldn't be able to prioritize.

Vanessa Hudgens 28:55 Exactly, yeah.

Jay Shetty 28:56 And it was uncomfortable to say those things-

Vanessa Hudgens 28:58 Totally, yeah

Jay Shetty 28:59 ... because you're scared that like-

Vanessa Hudgens 29:00 Yeah

Jay Shetty 29:00 ... well, maybe this person's gonna run away-

Vanessa Hudgens 29:01 Totally

Jay Shetty 29:02 ... when they hear what I'm actually like.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:04 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 29:04 But then if they stay-

Vanessa Hudgens 29:05 Exactly

Jay Shetty 29:06 ... then they actually signed on for that.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:07 And it's like you give ... Like, my, my sister actually does a podcast as well [laughs] and I was like listening to it the other day and she was like, "It's so important to like tell your friends or your partner if something's bothering you-

Jay Shetty 29:19 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 29:19 ... because then you give them the opportunity to adjust."

Jay Shetty 29:22 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:22 Like, otherwise they don't know.

Jay Shetty 29:24 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:25 Shout out Stella. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 29:26 [laughs] Shout out Stella. What's her podcast called?

Vanessa Hudgens 29:29 That's Crazy.

Jay Shetty 29:30 That's Crazy.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:30 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 29:30 Okay, listen to that episode. What was the episode about? It was about this?

Vanessa Hudgens 29:34 Um, what was that one about? Just like friends and like, you know-

Jay Shetty 29:38 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 29:38 ... feeling FOMO.

Jay Shetty 29:39 Right.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:39 It was FOMO. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 29:40 Right. Yeah. No, because it's, it's also just like I know that we got a message, um, I think you sent it to my team saying, "Can I bring Darla today?"

Vanessa Hudgens 29:48 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 29:49 And, and I love that you said that and I'm so glad she came-

Vanessa Hudgens 29:52 Yeah

Jay Shetty 29:52 ... because that would've been so sad if I, as a friend it's like if you, if you felt that but then you didn't tell me.

Vanessa Hudgens 29:57 Yeah, totally.

Jay Shetty 29:58 Right?

Vanessa Hudgens 29:58 Totally.

Jay Shetty 29:58 Like if I didn't know, and then like-

Vanessa Hudgens 30:00 You just gotta ask

Jay Shetty 30:01 ... you just gotta, you just gotta know. Like, and I'm so happy she's here and I'm so happy to meet her and-

Vanessa Hudgens 30:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:05 ... and when you told me the reason, you're like, "I've been traveling and I haven't seen her for ... " I'm like that is so beautiful.

Vanessa Hudgens 30:10 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 30:10 Like, why would you not? But we're so- We're so scared-

Vanessa Hudgens 30:14 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:14 ... of showing that side of ourselves to someone, of being like, "This is what I need, or this is what I want."

Vanessa Hudgens 30:18 And, like, honoring our truths.

Jay Shetty 30:20 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 30:20 I think, like, it's so easy to disregard our truths.

Jay Shetty 30:25 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 30:25 When you, like, have a thought and you're like, "Ugh," like, "I wish that this wouldn't happen," and like, "But no, like, it, it shouldn't matter. Like, it's, it's okay. It's fine. I don't really care." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 30:34 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 30:34 And like, you don't honor your truth, and so I feel like it's something that you have to be actually mindful about, and to, like, really listen to your intuition and, like, your inner voice, your inner child. Like, you really have to, like, honor all of yourself because if you're not, then you're suppressing yourself, and then it's gonna seem okay for someone else to suppress you because you're doing it to yourself.

Jay Shetty 30:55 Yes. Wow, that is... That's so true.

Vanessa Hudgens 30:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 30:59 That is so true, that-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:00 Yeah. And then that's just like a toxic, toxic-

Jay Shetty 31:02 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 31:02 Starts off toxic. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 31:04 Abso- and that's the point, right? It's like-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:06 ... if you plant a toxic seed-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:07 Exactly

Jay Shetty 31:08 ... like, that's what's gonna grow.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:09 Yes.

Jay Shetty 31:10 And it's really hard to then switch to a rosebush or a-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:13 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:13 ... you know, to grow a beautiful tree or plant-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:15 ... or whatever it is. Like, I, I wonder, then, how do you then navigate... Obviously, when you do that, when you are like, "Well, here's what I'm looking for, and here's-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:23 Yeah

Jay Shetty 31:23 ... here's what's important to

Jay Shetty 31:24 me," how do you then navigate it when you don't necessarily align or agree? How, how have you dealt with that? Because I think that's another healthy thing to think about. I think we often have this romantic view of manifestation.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:36 Totally.

Jay Shetty 31:37 And I don't think that's what you're suggesting. But I think a lot of people have this romantic view that when you're clear, you get exactly what you want the way you want it.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 31:44 I don't think that's what you're saying.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:46 No, no, no, no, no.

Jay Shetty 31:46 And-

Vanessa Hudgens 31:46 That's definitely not the case as well.

Jay Shetty 31:48 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:48 Like, I think that, like, everything does come back.

Jay Shetty 31:51 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:52 Not always in the way that you expect it to.

Jay Shetty 31:54 Exactly.

Vanessa Hudgens 31:55 Not always at the time that you want it to, but it always [laughs] does-

Jay Shetty 31:58 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 31:59 ... in one form or the other.

Jay Shetty 32:00 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 32:00 And I, like, I, I truly believe that, and I, like, see that happening 'cause I'll... Uh, sometimes I'll ask for something, and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that's so funny. That's not, like, how I expected it to come."

Jay Shetty 32:10 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 32:10 Like, like, you know, like, I... Or just on our Zoom, like-

Jay Shetty 32:13 On a-

Vanessa Hudgens 32:13 ... finding love on a Zoom

Jay Shetty 32:14 ... on a little... Uh, finding love on Zoom-

Vanessa Hudgens 32:15 Like, it's [laughs]

Jay Shetty 32:16 ... on a tiny, little, like, screen

Vanessa Hudgens 32:17 ... like, that's not, like, at all what I was, like, expecting at all. But, like, it's, it's the best thing that's ever happened to me. Um, so I, I feel like it always, it always comes back around. Um, but, like, the mindfulness is, like, so important.

Jay Shetty 32:31 Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, I mean, I, I love hearing about it, and I can't wait to see you both together.

Vanessa Hudgens 32:36 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 32:37 And I can't wait to finally-

Vanessa Hudgens 32:38 It'll be so fun

Jay Shetty 32:38 ... hang out with Cole.

Vanessa Hudgens 32:39 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 32:39 Who, by the way, for anyone who doesn't know, he'll join the meditation when he's, like, on the field, like [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 32:46 Yeah

Jay Shetty 32:46 ... he'll be, like, in the stands. He'll be-

Vanessa Hudgens 32:48 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 32:48 ... you know, walking to a game. Like, he'll be-

Vanessa Hudgens 32:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 32:50 ... driving to a ga- whatever it is, and he's, he's always on. And I think there's so much to be said for that as well, to find people in places of similar values.

Vanessa Hudgens 32:58 100%.

Jay Shetty 32:58 Like, I, I, I've always been a great encourager of that, is that you're going to find people when you're doing things that you're both passionate about.

Vanessa Hudgens 33:07 100%.

Jay Shetty 33:07 And you're not going there to date. Like, me-

Vanessa Hudgens 33:08 It's so funny. I literally was on the phone with my friend Vince this morning, and I was thinking about it, and I was like, it's so funny 'cause I feel like all my best relationships have, like, such an interesting, like, story as to how we met. Like, my friend Vince, who I was on the phone with-

Jay Shetty 33:22 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 33:23 ... we met in a yoga class.

Jay Shetty 33:24 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 33:25 And he's, like, one of my best friends. My other best friend, Gigi, we met, like, in Bali because I was w- there with Oakley, like, doing a surf thing, even though I'm not a surfer.

Jay Shetty 33:35 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 33:35 But I'm like, you know, I'm all about, like, trying new things and having new experiences 'cause I feel like it builds character, and it's also just, like, a great time. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 33:43 Yeah, of course, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 33:45 But, like, it was, like, one of those moments as well. And then, like, me and Gigi sat across from each other at the table, and we, like, locked eyes, and we were like, "I s- I see you. I see you in a way that's, like, different."

Jay Shetty 33:55 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 33:55 "Like, my soul sees you."

Jay Shetty 33:56 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 33:57 Um, and, like, it's just so many of my relationships. I'm like, it's just so funny how, like, you put yourself into the right place, in, in a place of love, and you will attract it.

Jay Shetty 34:07 Yeah, definitely. And this is Gigi you do workouts with, right?

Vanessa Hudgens 34:10 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 34:10 Yes, yes. That sounds like-

Vanessa Hudgens 34:11 Me and Gigi do a lot of things together.

Jay Shetty 34:13 A lot... Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 34:13 We got a lot of things in the work. During quarantine, we, like, really put our minds together.

Jay Shetty 34:17 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:17 And we're like, "Let's be creative."

Jay Shetty 34:20 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:20 Like, "Let's, let's keep the ball rolling." And we, like, we developed an animated show. We developed, like, a, a reality show for ourselves.

Jay Shetty 34:28 Yeah. Oh, very cool.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:28 And we, like, wrote a feature with our friend. And we were just [laughs] like, yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 34:33 That's amazing.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:34 I know.

Jay Shetty 34:35 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:35 But, like, all because we sat across from each other in Bali.

Jay Shetty 34:38 That's incredible. And I love that that's a recurring pattern in your life.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:41 Oh, completely.

Jay Shetty 34:42 That, that the deepest relationships you have, whether it's Vince or Gigi, as you said-

Vanessa Hudgens 34:45 Yeah

Jay Shetty 34:45 ... and now Cole, that they've come from these places where you weren't looking for that.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:50 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 34:50 And so I think we often hear this idea of, like, you don't have to look for love, and that's not what we're saying. What we're saying is that you often find it in a place of mutual value.

Vanessa Hudgens 34:58 When you're loving yourself and honoring yourself. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 35:02 Yeah, yeah. That's, that's the key.

Vanessa Hudgens 35:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 35:03 That's exactly it. And, and so much happens when you spend time in places of purpose.

Vanessa Hudgens 35:09 Totally.

Jay Shetty 35:10 Like, I feel like when you're going there for a purpose-based reason-

Vanessa Hudgens 35:15 Mm-hmm, yep

Jay Shetty 35:15 ... you're more likely to have this synergy-

Vanessa Hudgens 35:17 Yes

Jay Shetty 35:17 ... happen

Jay Shetty 35:18 with a human.

Vanessa Hudgens 35:18 Oh, my gosh. The amount of stuff that happened to me when I went to Paris for Fashion Week on my own was like... It just wa- I felt like I had tea for, for months.

Jay Shetty 35:26 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 35:27 [laughs] But, like, it was just so cool because I'm like, Paris Fashion Week is something that I've wanted to go to-

Jay Shetty 35:31 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 35:31 ... for a long time. And I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna go on my own," because, like-

Jay Shetty 35:37 Why not?

Vanessa Hudgens 35:37 ... it'll, like, it'll really, like, put me in there.

Jay Shetty 35:41 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 35:41 Um, and I, and I love that. Like, I love those solo moments where I, I'm just, like, out there in the wilderness on my own. And, like, you meet people and, like, connect with people. And, and, like, some of my favorite memories that I've had, like, have been because I've gone places on my own.

Jay Shetty 35:59 Wow. W- what's given you that... I, I love hearing that because I'm the kind of person... So Radhi's been away for three months, and we haven't seen each other.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:06 What?

Jay Shetty 36:06 I miss her, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:07 Oh, my God, I hate that so much.

Jay Shetty 36:08 And she's, and she's, and she's coming back in a month, and I miss her, so it'll be four months since we've seen each other.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:12 Geez.

Jay Shetty 36:12 And I cannot wait. I'm about to throw her a party when she comes back-

Vanessa Hudgens 36:15 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 36:15 ... and, like, full-on, like, you know, we're gonna go away and all the rest of it, catch up, and make-

Vanessa Hudgens 36:19 Yeah

Jay Shetty 36:19 ... make up for our lost time. But- I find that I'm the kind of person that will take myself out for a three-course meal-

Vanessa Hudgens 36:24 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 36:25 ... and like go away and go out-

Vanessa Hudgens 36:26 Same

Jay Shetty 36:26 ... or whate- whatever it is.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:27 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 36:27 What has given you the confidence in doing things alone? Because I think that is such a healthy habit.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:34 Totally.

Jay Shetty 36:34 I'm not saying that people should spend all the time alone and not have friends.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:37 [laughs] No, no, no.

Jay Shetty 36:38 But how have you developed that habit? Is it just by practice? Is it just by throwing yourself out there or-

Vanessa Hudgens 36:43 Yeah, I-

Jay Shetty 36:43 Now it sounds like it's something you intentionally do, like Paris Fashion Week.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:46 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 36:46 I'm sure you could have taken anyone you wanted to take.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:48 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 36:49 But you went on your own.

Vanessa Hudgens 36:50 Yeah. Um, I feel like my first solo trip was when I was like ... It was right after I did a stint of like really heavy, emotionally demanding movies. Um, I think Gimme Shelter was the last one of that. Um, and I came home, and I like genuinely did not know who Vanessa was. I had like gotten so off on becoming this other person and like genuinely changed my mindset, the way that I looked. I put on like 20 pounds, cut off all my hair. Like, all the things that made me, me, were not there anymore, and I was like, "I need to do something because I'm like scared 'cause I don't know who I am." And I was like, "Okay, we're gonna go on a yoga retreat." My, my publicist at the time was like, "I- there's this retreat. They're doing it at the Four Seasons." [laughs] Um, it was like a practice, and I was like, "Okay, I'm just gonna like go on my own," because that scares me, and I was very much in that place of like, do the things that scare you-

Jay Shetty 38:02 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 38:02 ... because you will evolve, like you're forced to. Um, and I was like, you know, like a yoga retreat in Hawaii, like that gives me an excuse to be in Hawaii.

Jay Shetty 38:11 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 38:12 Um, but also like have something to do and like know that I'll be around people because like ... Filming as well as an adult, like when I hit 18, I would go off to film things all the time-

Jay Shetty 38:24 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 38:24 ... and I would be on my own.

Jay Shetty 38:25 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 38:25 And so, like if I wanted to go to dinner, like a lot of times I would just go by myself-

Jay Shetty 38:30 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 38:30 ... and like bring a book. And I'd, I definitely would have those moments where I'm like looking around, like kinda trying to like-

Jay Shetty 38:37 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 38:37 ... lock eyes and engage with anyone.

Jay Shetty 38:40 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 38:40 Um, preferably would sit at the bar so I could like talk to the bartender 'cause like I love, I love people.

Jay Shetty 38:45 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 38:45 Like, I love, I love just like talking to people.

Jay Shetty 38:49 Yeah. But you start using a different part of your brain when you do that. Like, you start using-

Vanessa Hudgens 38:53 Totally

Jay Shetty 38:53 ... a different part of your energy where it's like, "Oh, I'm gonna see if I can make something out of nothing."

Vanessa Hudgens 38:57 Yeah, exactly.

Jay Shetty 38:57 That's a mindset that you lose as we get older-

Vanessa Hudgens 39:00 That's very true

Jay Shetty 39:00 ... because most of your life is surrounded by the same people, same work people, same-

Vanessa Hudgens 39:04 Yeah

Jay Shetty 39:04 ... life people.

Vanessa Hudgens 39:05 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:05 And so like when you're like, "Oh, I'm trying to talk to the bartender," or, "I'm trying to lock..." Even the idea of locking eyes with someone random-

Vanessa Hudgens 39:11 Oh, my gosh, it's my favorite thing

Jay Shetty 39:12 ... it like overcomes that fear. Yeah, but it's like-

Vanessa Hudgens 39:13 It's my favorite thing.

Jay Shetty 39:14 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 39:14 I li- literally will like be driving and like will like turn and just like look at people if I'm stopped at a red light and like try to like dance with people.

Jay Shetty 39:22 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 39:22 The other day, this guy was like listening to a song. We had our windows down. He had his windows down, and me and my girlfriend were just like body rolling.

Jay Shetty 39:28 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 39:28 Like, just like locking eyes trying to make this person laugh, like-

Jay Shetty 39:31 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 39:31 ... it's ... I, I love that. But the trip, the yoga retreat in Hawaii ended up just being like so freeing because I was just like, "Okay, like I'm here on my own. Like, I'm just gonna like talk to people that I connect with and like go from there," and like genuinely forced me to stay as present as possible because I was engaging with people I know nothing about.

Jay Shetty 39:56 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 39:56 I feel like that's the thing I love about talking to people that you don't know.

Jay Shetty 39:59 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:00 Like, you're forced to be present because it's like if you're actually trying to engage, which not everybody does.

Jay Shetty 40:06 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:08 You know?

Jay Shetty 40:08 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 40:08 But then those are the people you don't need to engage with.

Jay Shetty 40:10 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 40:11 Um, but when you find people who you can, like-

Jay Shetty 40:13 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 40:14 ... y- it's, it ... You s- you're so present 'cause you're actually listening.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:17 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 40:17 Yeah. What I, what I love about hearing about your life, that I'm learning about you today by being present with you, is just you're s- you are very present because you have all these beautiful memories.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:26 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 40:26 And I find like these are not ideas in your life, or they're not like just concepts that you intellectually understand. It's like I feel like your whole life is an experience.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:37 [laughs] Yeah.

Jay Shetty 40:37 Like, you're like, "Oh, I went to Fashion Week 'cause of this, and I was in this place 'cause..." To have deep memories, you have to be deeply present.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:46 Totally.

Jay Shetty 40:46 Because otherwise you forget where you were last week or where you were even yesterday.

Vanessa Hudgens 40:51 Totally.

Jay Shetty 40:52 And so how have you become more present? I mean, h- have you practiced that, or is ... You've been like that, obviously, it sounds like, but it's also sounds like it's very intentional again. Like, how have you raising your presence, uh, when, when you're in a space or in an environment?

Vanessa Hudgens 41:07 I think like, honestly, it's come from the reflection and growth that I've done-

Jay Shetty 41:13 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 41:13 ... to like actually have confidence in, in myself-

Jay Shetty 41:19 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 41:20 ... um, to like feel like I can take up as much space or as little space as I want, um, and knowing that I have that choice. I've always been a very present person, and I think that I've positioned myself now. Like, it's taken so many years of like reflection and growth and like doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me into the person that I am, and I look back, and I'm like, "I'm so grateful for all of it, so grateful for all the icky times," because there's a lot of icky times in life.

Jay Shetty 41:54 [laughs] Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 41:54 But like by leaning in and like not putting them into like a storage unit in my mind-

Jay Shetty 42:00 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 42:00 ... but like actually processing them and like growing and evolving from it has allowed me to like have confidence in myself because I'm just like, "I know that I'm enough," like-

Jay Shetty 42:13 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 42:13 ... and I'm like I, I know that like my point on life is beautiful, and I know that like what I wanna contribute to, to people and to the world is, is beautiful. And so I'm like, "It's all good, babe."

Jay Shetty 42:26 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 42:27 Like, it's all good.

Jay Shetty 42:28 Yeah. And that, and that's the thing, right? Like, when you make sense of your inner world on your own-

Vanessa Hudgens 42:33 Yeah, totally

Jay Shetty 42:35 It, that's where it has to click

Vanessa Hudgens 42:37 100%, because if it clicks for me-

Jay Shetty 42:39 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 42:39 ... then, like, it's okay if it doesn't click for everybody.

Jay Shetty 42:42 Yes, yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 42:43 But, like, I know that, like, I'm locked in.

Jay Shetty 42:45 Yeah. If you know, I always say to people, like, if you have a decision or a choice you wanna make, and if you know why you're doing it-

Vanessa Hudgens 42:52 Yeah

Jay Shetty 42:52 ... and you're clear on that, it will not bother you if other people don't understand.

Vanessa Hudgens 42:58 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 42:58 But if you don't know why you're doing it-

Vanessa Hudgens 43:00 Then it's a mo- [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:01 ... then, then it just like... And that's what I'm hearing from you, it's that, that that inner click has, has, has fit for you.

Jay Shetty 43:08 And it sounds like during the pandemic you were extremely innovative, collaborative.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:13 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:13 Seemed like you were doing a lot of cool stuff.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:15 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:15 We both share this in common, we both launched a different type of beverage line-

Vanessa Hudgens 43:19 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:19 ... during, uh, the pandemic, and afterwards you launched Caliwater-

Vanessa Hudgens 43:23 Yeah

Jay Shetty 43:23 ... which is amazing.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:25 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:25 Uh, and I wanna hear about just... When, when I first heard it I was like, "Cactus w-..." I was like, that is so unique. Like, it is so different.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:33 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:33 I didn't even, I didn't even know, and this is gonna sound really silly, but I was like, I didn't even know you could get cactus water.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:38 Ca- cactus water, yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:39 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:39 No, totally. Like-

Jay Shetty 43:40 And I have cactus in my house. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 43:41 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:41 So I'm like, I had no idea.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:43 Like, if I cut you, can I drink you?

Jay Shetty 43:44 Yeah, exactly.

Vanessa Hudgens 43:45 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:45 But, but walk us-

Vanessa Hudgens 43:46 I'm a vampire

Jay Shetty 43:46 ... through, uh, some of the, uh, some of the, and that, that's one of them, I'm sure there's plenty of others, but where did those ideas and innovations start? Because that requires, uh, such a, a different mindset, and it sounds like you had the space to be innovative and creative. You said you were doing work with Gigi-

Vanessa Hudgens 44:03 Yeah

Jay Shetty 44:03 ... but you're also doing this.

Vanessa Hudgens 44:04 I love a collaboration.

Jay Shetty 44:06 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 44:07 I live for a collaboration, because I'm like, I know what I can bring to the table, and then you collaborate with people, who knows what they can bring to the table.

Jay Shetty 44:15 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 44:16 And it's like, you guys have fun doing it together? Yeah? Okay, go.

Jay Shetty 44:19 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 44:20 Um, and that's literally how I feel like all my business ventures have been. Um, you know, with Caliwater it was our friend Oliver Trevena.

Jay Shetty 44:26 Mm-hmm, yes. Shout out Oliver.

Vanessa Hudgens 44:27 Um, [laughs] yeah, who is-

Jay Shetty 44:29 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 44:29 ... my business partner. And, like, he came to me and he was like, "We sh- we need to, like, do something together." And he was like, "There's... We could do, like, beverages," and he's like, "There's, like, cactus. There's lot, there's something there." And, like, I went to New Mexico on a road trip and was drinking prickly pear margaritas-

Jay Shetty 44:47 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 44:47 ... and I was like, "What is this heavenly nectar?" And, like, why do I know nothing about it?

Jay Shetty 44:51 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 44:52 And then started, like, researching what prickly pear is, and then, like, realized all the health benefits. Um, and then, you know, like, we're like, "Okay, cool. So, like, that's, like, a thing."

Jay Shetty 45:02 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 45:02 "There's something there." And then, like, him, like, taking the reins and putting together an incredible team to, like, put together this drink and, like, bring it to life, and then, like, me doing, like, the creative-

Jay Shetty 45:15 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 45:15 ... and, like, the tastings.

Jay Shetty 45:17 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 45:17 And I'm like, "Nah, it's a little off. Like, it needs something more of this."

Jay Shetty 45:19 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 45:20 Like, maybe a little, like, more monk fruit?

Jay Shetty 45:22 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 45:23 Or like, you know, like something. Um, and then, like-

Jay Shetty 45:25 I love monk fruit, by the way. So yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 45:26 ... packaging.

Jay Shetty 45:26 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 45:27 Yeah, I do too. But the, uh, it's just, like, it's such a fun creative outlet-

Jay Shetty 45:31 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 45:31 ... for me that, like, I, I really enjoy. Like, it's so stimulating to me and exciting, and it's just, like, really cool being able to be passionate about something and then, like, sharing that passion with-

Jay Shetty 45:44 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 45:45 ... the masses.

Jay Shetty 45:46 Yeah, yeah. It's awesome. No, I highly recommend everyone grabs one-

Vanessa Hudgens 45:49 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 45:49 ... because it's... I, I just love seeing people find multiple ways to express themselves.

Vanessa Hudgens 45:54 100%.

Jay Shetty 45:55 And, and not being scared and not feeling limited by, like, "Oh, I'm an actress, I should be that," or, like, "I'm a this."

Vanessa Hudgens 46:02 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 46:02 I'm like, but we're all just creative artists, individuals.

Vanessa Hudgens 46:05 100%.

Jay Shetty 46:05 And when we can just, like, paint through every single color and every single brush, there's nothing wrong with that. And, and I think it should be encouraged more, and I think often we feel limited and restricted by what we think people will think and what they will say.

Vanessa Hudgens 46:19 Yeah, literally.

Jay Shetty 46:20 And, and we stop realizing that we just have to color more and paint more-

Vanessa Hudgens 46:23 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 46:23 ... and, and

Jay Shetty 46:24 get out there more. Is there something you do to tap into more creativity or innovation? Is there any habits or any rituals you have? Or is that also same connected with doing the intuitive work?

Vanessa Hudgens 46:35 It's literally all intuitive, I feel. I... And, and it's like, it's, it's the magic thing, I think.

Jay Shetty 46:41 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 46:41 That, like, when I'm doing things that I'm inspired to do and I honor those inspirations-

Jay Shetty 46:49 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 46:49 ... um, the thrill and the fulfillment that comes along with it is, like, what I imagine it's like to have kids. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 46:57 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 46:58 You know? It's like, because-

Jay Shetty 46:59 Yeah, you birth something

Vanessa Hudgens 46:59 ... you're putting, like, such a vulnerable piece of, of uniquely you into something-

Jay Shetty 47:05 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 47:05 ... and then, and then sharing it. And so it's like, it's such a vulnerable thing. Um, like I, I came up with, like, a, a reality show for, for me and Gigi, and I'm like, it's so funny because I, like, 15 years ago would be like, "I would never do a reality show. Like, I am a serious actress." Um-

Jay Shetty 47:26 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 47:26 ... but this, this show, like, I, I, I came up with it. Like, I birthed it from my mind and I was just like, this is something that I love and, like, would love to do because I feel like it would be hilarious-

Jay Shetty 47:39 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 47:39 ... and a, a great time. But also, like-

Jay Shetty 47:41 You guys are really funny together, so yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 47:42 Yeah, we're hysterical.

Jay Shetty 47:44 Yeah. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 47:44 Like, we have something.

Jay Shetty 47:45 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 47:45 Um, but, like, also so creative and, like, down to what we're wearing in our show and, like, who we're partnered with and, like, just putting on the, the business hat, like, it's, it's really exciting.

Jay Shetty 48:00 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:00 I'm like, she's a, she's a woman. Like, she's making moves.

Jay Shetty 48:04 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 48:04 Um, just because I'm, like, leaning into my interest and, like, honoring-

Jay Shetty 48:08 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 48:08 ... the ideas that I have-

Jay Shetty 48:10 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 48:10 ... rather than, like, pushing them down.

Jay Shetty 48:13 And the show's happening?

Vanessa Hudgens 48:15 You know, we're-

Jay Shetty 48:15 You're, you're making it happen. You're making it happen, yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:17 We're making, we're making it happen.

Jay Shetty 48:18 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:18 We're waiting on someone-

Jay Shetty 48:19 It takes time. It takes time

Vanessa Hudgens 48:21 ... at the moment.

Jay Shetty 48:21 It takes time.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:21 Um, but, like, it's been so exciting-

Jay Shetty 48:23 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 48:23 ... because we've, like, literally gotten so many of our ducks in a row-

Jay Shetty 48:26 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 48:26 ... where we're like, "This would be the dream." And then, like-

Jay Shetty 48:28 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 48:28 ... it's falling into place and, like-

Jay Shetty 48:29 I love that

Vanessa Hudgens 48:30 ... it's just so nice because I'm doing it all, like, with people that I love.

Jay Shetty 48:34 Yeah. I love hearing about ideas when they're being formed-

Vanessa Hudgens 48:36 Yeah

Jay Shetty 48:37 ... because it's, it's special.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:38 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:38 Like, we usually hear about, like, "Oh, we just made this show-

Vanessa Hudgens 48:41 After the fact

Jay Shetty 48:41 ... and it's out."

Vanessa Hudgens 48:41 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:42 And then it's like, but this is the part that's so interesting because it's like, well, we did this and now we did this and we're waiting for this and we're figuring this out.

Vanessa Hudgens 48:49 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:49 And I'm hoping that everyone who's listening or watching is Hearing it going, "Oh, that's normal." Like-

Vanessa Hudgens 48:54 Yeah

Jay Shetty 48:54 ... you know?

Vanessa Hudgens 48:55 It literally stems from an idea.

Jay Shetty 48:56 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 48:56 Like, what if? What if? And then, like, building it off of there, and, like, that's why I love doing things with my friends because the snowballing is so real, you know?

Jay Shetty 49:07 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:08 Like, is that what that's called?

Jay Shetty 49:09 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:09 Snowballing?

Jay Shetty 49:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:10 Yeah, yeah. Um, and it's just, like, the best thing because, like, even, like, the futu- feature that we did, like, it was me, Gigi, and our friend Asha, who, uh, has written for, like, American Horror Story, and, like, we love American Horror Story-

Jay Shetty 49:23 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 49:23 ... um, and it totally fits with the vibe of, like, our idea, and she was like, "You guys wanna write a feature?"

Jay Shetty 49:27 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:28 And we were like, "Yeah." And then we were like, "Okay, so what if it starts here and it's about, like, these four witches," and, like, it just snowballs from there.

Jay Shetty 49:36 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:36 And it's just, like, it's so cool because I feel like everything that I'm doing is something that I'm, like, so passionate about.

Jay Shetty 49:42 Mm.

Vanessa Hudgens 49:42 And, like, I'm, I'm really, like, carving out time-

Jay Shetty 49:46 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 49:46 ... to, like, stay super engaged in everything that I'm doing-

Jay Shetty 49:49 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 49:49 ... and not just, like, taking a backseat.

Jay Shetty 49:51 Well, that's what I was gonna ask you, like, how are you... And, and I can see that. I mean, every idea, everything we've spoken about today, I can tell how passionate you are about.

Vanessa Hudgens 50:00 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 50:00 Like, it, it just comes through naturally.

Vanessa Hudgens 50:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 50:02 Like, it's in flow. It's in your heart.

Vanessa Hudgens 50:03 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 50:04 It's, it's there, so that's so evident to me. As someone who I feel like I live a very similar life in that I do a lot of different things that I'm passionate

Jay Shetty 50:12 about, how are you prioritizing making time to do all of that? Like, what works for you? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people going, "Oh, wow, like, you know, Vanessa's doing a ton of stuff. I mean, she has new movies coming out."

Vanessa Hudgens 50:25 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 50:25 "She's doing this, and she's doing this, and she's building this." Like, how, how do you make sense of doing so many different things, and how do you balance it? Because you're still, you're still working out. You're still doing your, your own personal practices.

Vanessa Hudgens 50:36 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 50:36 How, how are you balancing and managing that all?

Vanessa Hudgens 50:38 I think it's about, like, r- really honoring my, my, my needs and, like, having a strong priority list. Um, I feel like right now I'm being very clear and intentional with my, my career. Um, in acting, uh, I've- I'm like, I'm not doing anything unless, like, it pushes me in a new way, challenges me in a new way, or it's with people that I can work with that I, like, really respect and I know will help me evolve and grow. Um, otherwise, I'm like, I only wanna be doing things that, like, I'm producing. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 51:14 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 51:14 Because then I'm like, I have, like, a say on the story, and, like, the way that it looks, and, like, the way that it's shot.

Jay Shetty 51:21 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 51:21 And like, you know? Like, I can be, like, so much more creative to, like, the overall outcome of the movie-

Jay Shetty 51:27 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 51:27 ... because a lot of times, like, so many things end up on the cutting room floor, and, like, that's fine, but you're like, you watch it and you're like, "Oh, they went with that take? Interesting."

Jay Shetty 51:37 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 51:37 Um, and you have, like-

Jay Shetty 51:37 And that's hard

Vanessa Hudgens 51:38 ... no say over it. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 51:39 Yeah, and that's hard.

Vanessa Hudgens 51:40 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 51:40 It's hard. Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 51:41 It's tough.

Jay Shetty 51:41 It's really hard.

Vanessa Hudgens 51:42 But, like, uh, I'm like, as a producer, I, like, can come in and, like, can help, like, build out projects and, like, I can, I can actually dream them up myself, and, like, bring them to the table, and, like, find producers that I really respect and admire, and, like, use their minds to, like, snowball with-

Jay Shetty 52:00 Mm

Vanessa Hudgens 52:00 ... and, and see how we can work together to bring it to life. And I just feel like it's, it's so much more fulfilling for me as an actress to be able to be a part of that creative.

Jay Shetty 52:12 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 52:13 Um, which is why I'm like, one day, one day I will direct, because-

Jay Shetty 52:16 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 52:16 ... I'm like [laughs] it's something that I love so much, and I'm like, my, my point of view is, I think, not what a lot of people would think because they did, like, get to know me from High School Musical. Um, I'm like, my taste is, like, weird, and it's trippy, and it's-

Jay Shetty 52:33 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 52:33 ... dark sometimes. Um, so I'm like, uh, that's something that I would love to eventually get to. But, like, I have that aspect of my life, and then I have, like, the business side of things where I'm, like, making sure... I just got an assistant, like, for the first time.

Jay Shetty 52:50 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 52:50 Um, 'cause I was like, I am too busy and I need to, like, honor my time, and, like, I need help.

Jay Shetty 52:57 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 52:57 I was just, like, doing everything on my own.

Jay Shetty 52:59 Wow.

Vanessa Hudgens 52:59 Um, but so, like, I have her, and I'm like, now I'm like, every top of the week, I'm like, okay, we need to check in with these people, um, like m- set up calls and, and we'll get it done. And I make sure to check in with all the businesses-

Jay Shetty 53:12 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 53:12 ... like, see what they need, see where we're at. Um, and then, like, h- making sure that I have my me time, which is, is hard because I feel like the me time also funnels into, like, my relationship-

Jay Shetty 53:27 Yeah, yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 53:27 ... because that is what I want.

Jay Shetty 53:30 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 53:30 Like, I wanna be with my partner.

Jay Shetty 53:31 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 53:32 Um, but I'm like, also, my work, I feel, also drives my slight me time, too, because I'm like, I'm, I'm here in LA. I'm not with him at the moment because I have things that I'm doing here, and, like, like, uh, my flat Fabletics collection is coming out in April. And I'm like, that is something that I, like, designed myself.

Jay Shetty 53:53 That's amazing.

Vanessa Hudgens 53:53 Like, another full creativity step. Um, but I'm, like, here, and I, like, get to talk about it, and, like, I feel like it's just so, like I said, so nice to have these things that I'm, like, putting a lot of myself into, and being able to talk about them, and, like, share them with others, and, like, hopefully that connects me with other people who are like-minded as well, you know?

Jay Shetty 54:17 Yeah. Well, all I experience from you today is this abundance. Like, there's an abundance of creativity in your life. There's an abundance of expression. There's also an abundance of, like, genuine confidence in, in who you are and how you show up, and, and everything you're doing, and, and I love seeing it.

Vanessa Hudgens 54:32 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:32 Like, it's so fun. I, I find it so fun to observe that in someone-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:37 Yeah, totally

Jay Shetty 54:38 ... because I appreciate that it's taken work and that it's-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:41 Yeah

Jay Shetty 54:41 ... not something that that person was just given.

Vanessa Hudgens 54:43 Totally.

Jay Shetty 54:44 Uh, and so yeah, just, just viewing you today and observing you today-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:48 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:48 ... I'm like, it's, it's amazing. It's electric to-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:50 Mm

Jay Shetty 54:50 ... to experience that through someone.

Vanessa Hudgens 54:52 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 54:52 And, and I congratulate you-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:53 That's so sweet

Jay Shetty 54:53 ... for all those aspects-

Vanessa Hudgens 54:55 Oh, thank you. Thank you

Jay Shetty 54:55 ... because it's... I'm sure there's lots of people listening and watching going, "Oh, I-" I can be everything I want to be.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 55:03 Like, I can.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:04 You can.

Jay Shetty 55:04 Like, yeah, it's okay. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 55:06 You can. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:06 Yeah. It's okay. Like, it's-

Vanessa Hudgens 55:07 Yeah, totally

Jay Shetty 55:07 ... it's not, you know, we don't have to, like, we don't have to choose anymore.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:11 No.

Jay Shetty 55:11 You don't have to limit yourself.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:12 You can be everything, and that, that was the f- like, a big wake-up call for me.

Jay Shetty 55:15 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:16 I was like, "No one is one thing."

Jay Shetty 55:18 Yeah, no one.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:18 Like, we're so allowed, and, like, it should be celebrated to be as many-

Jay Shetty 55:23 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 55:23 ... different things as you can be, as long as they're honest and truthful and, like, coming from within-

Jay Shetty 55:28 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 55:28 ... not from an idea of what you think you should be doing.

Jay Shetty 55:31 That's it.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:32 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 55:33 Vanessa, you've been so generous with your time, and-

Vanessa Hudgens 55:35 I'm like, I could sit here and talk forever. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:37 I, I mean, I could talk, I could continue talking for hours. Um-

Vanessa Hudgens 55:39 I love it. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:40 You've been, I know you've been traveling. I know you've been moving around.

Vanessa Hudgens 55:42 Oh.

Jay Shetty 55:42 I know you're catching up, so I, I want to express to you so much gratitude from my heart-

Vanessa Hudgens 55:47 No

Jay Shetty 55:47 ... for your time, your energy, uh, turning up to the ZenZones, your friendship, your reflections in the ZenZones. Like, I always feel like you'll come in and you'll open up, and then everyone else feels inspired to open up some more as well. And, and even today, like, it has truly been wonderful to witness just-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:05 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:05 ... what exudes from you.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:06 Thanks.

Jay Shetty 56:07 Um, and, and I really appreciate that. Uh-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:09 And I appreciate you.

Jay Shetty 56:10 Oh, you're very kind. Thank you. And- [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 56:12 We all do. We all do. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:15 [laughs] Uh, send those witch, witch, uh-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:18 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:18 ... energies out. Um-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:19 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:20 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:21 Uh, but we end every On Purpose episode with what we call the final five.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:25 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 56:25 Um, these are five fast questions-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:27 Love it

Jay Shetty 56:27 ... that have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:31 Love it. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 56:31 Um, you can take your time to think about them-

Vanessa Hudgens 56:33 Okay

Jay Shetty 56:33 ... but the answers are tires.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:35 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 56:35 So all right, so the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received or heard?

Vanessa Hudgens 56:41 In this moment of my life where I am, just honor yourself.

Jay Shetty 56:45 Hmm. That's great advice. We've never had that before on the show.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:48 Oh, work.

Jay Shetty 56:48 That's great advice.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:49 It's a good short sentence, too. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:50 It is. It's beautiful. You- easy to remember.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:52 Yeah. It's so, it, 'cause I feel like it's so easy to not in so many different aspects.

Jay Shetty 56:59 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 56:59 And it's like if you actually do, then, like, y- you can, like, live your truth.

Jay Shetty 57:04 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:04 And that's what we're all trying to do, right?

Jay Shetty 57:06 I love that.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:06 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 57:08 Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever received or heard?

Vanessa Hudgens 57:11 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 57:13 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 57:14 Um, like, maybe always say yes.

Jay Shetty 57:17 Hmm. That's good.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:19 I feel like, um, saying yes can, like, definitely be a, a wonderful thing, but I think it's what you say no to that shapes you, your character.

Jay Shetty 57:29 That's great advice. I really like that. That's beautiful. See?

Vanessa Hudgens 57:32 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 57:33 She's good. She's good. I, I like it. Yeah. The, the, the stillness is good. Like-

Vanessa Hudgens 57:37 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 57:37 ... yeah. All right.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:38 It takes a sec. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 57:39 It does. It does. Okay, question number three, how would you define your current purpose or the current impact you're trying to have in the world and-

Vanessa Hudgens 57:47 Hmm

Jay Shetty 57:47 ... as it is now?

Vanessa Hudgens 57:49 Spread joy.

Jay Shetty 57:50 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:51 Honestly.

Jay Shetty 57:52 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 57:52 I feel like I have an abundance of it, [laughs] so I'm like-

Jay Shetty 57:55 You do

Vanessa Hudgens 57:55 ... if I can share it-

Jay Shetty 57:56 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 57:56 ... that's, like, the most beautiful thing I can offer.

Jay Shetty 57:59 I love that.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:00 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 58:00 That's beautiful. All right, question number four, what's the first thing you do in the morning and the last thing you do at night?

Vanessa Hudgens 58:06 Oh, God, I hate my answer, but if I'm gonna answer tru- [laughs] truthfully-

Jay Shetty 58:12 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 58:12 ... it's probably, like, well, it depends on where I am.

Jay Shetty 58:15 Yes. Yeah, good.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:16 Like, if I'm with Darla, I, like, just find her and, like-

Jay Shetty 58:20 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 58:20 ... hold her. Um-

Jay Shetty 58:21 Little cuddle, yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 58:22 ... yes, have a little cuddle and, like, I think I, like, I'm a big, like, deep breather in the morning.

Jay Shetty 58:28 That's great.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:28 Like, get back into breath, but, like, check my phone. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:31 Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, yeah, that's fair.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:33 But it also, like, depends, like, on if I'm on my own or if I'm with Cole.

Jay Shetty 58:38 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:38 'Cause I'm like, if I'm with him, then it's like, ugh, like, f- my first thing is like, oh, gratitude-

Jay Shetty 58:43 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 58:43 ... and just, like, love. Um, if I'm on my own, I'm just like, "Okay, what do we got, Vanessa?" [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:50 [laughs] It's beautiful.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:52 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 58:52 Thank you for the honesty.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:53 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 58:53 But I also like the, the, the mix of answers.

Vanessa Hudgens 58:55 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 58:55 All right, fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow or one habit that everyone had to do every day, what would it be?

Vanessa Hudgens 59:05 Think before you speak.

Jay Shetty 59:06 Oh, wow, that was quick.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:07 Uh-huh. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 59:08 That was very-

Vanessa Hudgens 59:08 I don't know if that's, like, the f- I, that's just the first one that pops into my mind.

Jay Shetty 59:12 No, that's-

Vanessa Hudgens 59:12 But, like, it's, it's, I feel like we all, we all could-

Jay Shetty 59:17 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 59:17 ... navigate through life a bit better if we really stopped to, like, really think-

Jay Shetty 59:23 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 59:23 ... before we, we spoke, and be impeccable with your word.

Jay Shetty 59:26 Yes.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:27 I'm just gonna go into the Four Agreements-

Jay Shetty 59:28 Yes, exactly. [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 59:29 ... real quick. Don't mind me. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 59:32 Great book, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:32 Great book.

Jay Shetty 59:33 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:33 Changed my life.

Jay Shetty 59:34 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:34 Um, but y- yeah, I feel like, I don't know, I'm such a, such a lover, and it really bums me out when people get into arguments-

Jay Shetty 59:45 Mm-hmm

Vanessa Hudgens 59:45 ... and they say things that they don't mean because they're not thinking before they speak.

Jay Shetty 59:50 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 59:50 And, like, the miscommunication that comes along with it, it's just, like, it's, it's heartbreaking to me when relationships can be, like, just deeply tarnished in those moments of, of, like, heightened, a heightened emotion.

Jay Shetty 1:00:06 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:06 Um-

Jay Shetty 1:00:06 Just because we didn't pause

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:07 ... just because we didn't pause.

Jay Shetty 1:00:09 You're so right.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:09 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:09 That, I feel like relationships are ruined just because we didn't breathe.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:15 Yeah, literally.

Jay Shetty 1:00:15 We didn't pause.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:16 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:16 We didn't take that moment of stillness-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:18 Totally

Jay Shetty 1:00:19 ... to respond and not react.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:20 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:20 And you destroy-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:23 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:00:23 ... lifelong relationships-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:24 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:00:25 ... because you misinterpreted a word-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:27 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:00:27 ... or you misunderstood an emotion-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:29 Exactly

Jay Shetty 1:00:29 ... or you misconstrued a feeling.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:31 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:32 It's incredible.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:32 But also, like, just speak your mind. I think in-

Jay Shetty 1:00:36 So the balance, yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:36 ... the balance.

Jay Shetty 1:00:37 Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:37 It's, like, the balance of it because I feel like I, a grow- growing up in the industry is, like, tough.

Jay Shetty 1:00:45 Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:45 I, I, this is not an answer. I, I just-

Jay Shetty 1:00:47 No, that's okay

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:48 ... said one sentence, and now I'm, like, going-

Jay Shetty 1:00:49 No, no, no. Hang on. There's-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:50 ... even deeper

Jay Shetty 1:00:50 ... no, no, we're unpacking. We're unpacking.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:00:51 Like, growing up in the industry is tough, and I feel like it was really easy for me to just, like, put on my professional face because, like, I was doing what I loved at, like, such an early age. So for me, I was like, "Okay, like, this is my adult voice. Like, this is my adult thoughts." Um, and it was, like, so easy for me to, like, not just, like, speak up. And I, like I said, like, if you're suppressing one aspect of yourself, then, like, it dripples into everything, and I feel like in relationships through the years, like, I, I look back and I'm like, there's, there's so many moments where I'm like, if I just would've, like, spoken up and, like, said how I f- ... how I've actually felt, like so much pain [laughs] and like tears could have been avoided. Um, but like by going through that, like I now know like how important it is to like speak up and like honor yourself-

Jay Shetty 1:01:44 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 1:01:45 ... um, because of the times that I didn't.

Jay Shetty 1:01:48 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:01:48 Doesn't make it any easier. Like, it's still like something that like even I have to like be like, "Oof, okay, brave face. We're talking about this now."

Jay Shetty 1:01:55 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:01:55 "Go." [laughs] And like genuinely have to hype myself up for.

Jay Shetty 1:01:58 Yeah.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:01:59 Um, but I feel, I feel like so many women get into relationships where they're suppressing themselves and like, or probably men, too, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:02:08 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:09 Like, and I just, I'm, I'm so about like living as openly and, and freely and-

Jay Shetty 1:02:14 Yeah

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:14 ... truthfully as possible, um, because that's where I feel like the magic sits, the creativity sits. Like, that's where there's an abundance of, of all of it. Um, so I think it's so important to like push yourself to get there.

Jay Shetty 1:02:27 That is a beautiful thing to end on. Like, that is such a great-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:30 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:02:31 ... like grounding message for us to throw out into the world. Uh, Vanessa, as I said before, I'm so grateful for your time-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:39 I'm so grateful for your time

Jay Shetty 1:02:39 ... your energy, your presence, just what you've brought to this today, for bringing Darla-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:44 To Darla

Jay Shetty 1:02:45 ... who's having a little wonderful nap. Darla, do you have anything you'd like to say? Uh, any, any message for our audience?

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:51 She's like, "I love life."

Jay Shetty 1:02:52 [laughs]

Vanessa Hudgens 1:02:53 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:02:53 That's a great message. And I wanna thank everyone who's been listening and watching today, and what I'd love for you to do is tag Vanessa and I when you share the messages that resonated, the magic that came through, the maybe ideas or insights that Vanessa mentioned that you're going to try and practice and apply in your life. I love knowing what you're switching from information to action. That gives me so much joy knowing that you listen to this podcast, but then you make a shift in your life. Uh, please tag me and Vanessa on all social media platforms to let us know what's resonating with you and what's connecting with you. Uh, keep listening to On Purpose, and please, please, please go and shower Vanessa-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:29 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:29 ... with so much love. She has so much exciting stuff coming up, whether it's her new line with Fabletics, whether it Caliwater. Uh, she's, this is probably gonna come out later, but she hosted the-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:40 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:40 ... uh, pre-show at the Oscars. Uh, I'm just so excited to see what you're gonna continue to do. I'm excited for this movie you're gonna direct in the future.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:49 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:49 I'm excited for-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:50 Yeah, me too. Me too

Jay Shetty 1:03:50 ... this reality show. But mo- more than anything, I'm, I'm really excited to deepen our friendship-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:56 Me too

Jay Shetty 1:03:56 ... our connection, with Cole as well-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:58 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:03:58 ... with Riley, too.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:03:59 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:03:59 And I, I love how you show up in the world, and I'm so grateful that I get to know you, so-

Vanessa Hudgens 1:04:04 Oh

Jay Shetty 1:04:04 ... thanks, Vanessa.

Vanessa Hudgens 1:04:04 Thank you. Thank you so much.

Jay Shetty 1:04:05 Thank you. If you want even more videos just like this one, make sure you subscribe and click on the boxes over here. I'm also excited to let you know that you can now get my book, Think Like a Monk, from thinklikeamonkbook.com. Check below in the description to make sure you order today.