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Jay Shetty PodcastKEVIN HART ON: The SECRET To Success & Happiness NOBODY TALKS ABOUT (Do This In 2023) | Jay Shetty
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90 min read · 17,902 words- 0:00 – 3:19
Intro
- KHKevin Hart
The biggest drug, it's not cocaine, it's not heroin, it's fame. Anything you want, everything you want, it's a thing. And if you can't handle this thing, the consequences attached are severe. Do you know you, and are you okay with you? If you are not, it'll break you.
- JSJay Shetty
The bestselling author and host.
- KHKevin Hart
The number one health and wellness podcast.
- JSJay Shetty
On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier, and more healed. And I'm so grateful for this community that we have here, because I get to sit down with some of the most incredible minds in the world, people that I find fascinating, not just personally and professionally, but because of the potential and the purpose that they have. Today's guest is someone who has been on my list to interview from day one. So it's a very special moment for me. I'm very excited. I'm speaking about someone, the one and only Kevin Hart, Hollywood's box office powerhouse, opening 11 films at number one at the box office, and grossing more than $4.23 billion in global revenue. Kevin has also become a successful entrepreneur. He's a chairman of Hartbeat, a global multimedia platform company creating entertainment at the intersection of comedy and culture with a mission to keep the world laughing together. I love that. Kevin is also the founder of Hartbeat Ventures. Kevin is a New York Times bestselling author twice over, and his first Audible Original, The Decision, was nominated for an Audie Award for Best Original Audiobook. And I, I spent my last five hikes listening to his new audiobook, Monsters and How to Tame Them. And I have to tell you, and I'm gonna tell Kevin right now, 'cause he's sitting in front of me, dude, I have not been that into something-
- KHKevin Hart
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... for a long, long time, and I'll tell you why. I have not stopped talking about the different monsters, the different personalities, to my wife, to my team, to my colleagues. You've made it so relevant and accessible to talk about your flaws-
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... in a way that I've never seen before. So thank you so much for being here, man. And-
- KHKevin Hart
Thank you
- JSJay Shetty
... so grateful to be sitting with you.
- KHKevin Hart
Thank you. And you know, uh, you know, when flowers are thrown out, I believe that they should, uh, they should sometimes be returned. And in this case, man, I'm here for a reason. The work that you've done, the success that you've had is groundbreaking. Uh, so major congrats to you. I just want to say there's an, there's an equal level of appreciation and excitement for the moment, man. You've done some, uh, some groundbreaking podcasts. Uh, your guests to how you've gotten people to open up, the conversations that you've had. More importantly, you know, um, the lives that you're saving by just being transparent, authentic, and true to who you are, I think it's, it's dope as hell. So, uh, it's an honor to sit across from you. I'm excited about the conversation. Um, and it's one that's been on my, my list as well, so I'm glad that, you know, we finally got it worked out to where we can make this happen.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Thank you, man. That's- that's very kind, and it's really beautiful hearing that from you, honestly. So let's dive in before we keep going back-
- KHKevin Hart
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... and forth with roses.
- KHKevin Hart
Yes. Let's go.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] Uh, let's get it, uh, you know... One of the things I want to start off, and this is gonna take us anywhere and everywhere, is
- 3:19 – 7:38
Looking in the mirror and being okay with yourself
- JSJay Shetty
how does it feel when you're winning and then you discover you got monsters? Because that's kind of the journey you've been on, and I want to go back and forth in this journey. But I want to start there, like what does it feel like when you're winning, you're succeeding, but then you all of a sudden go, "I've still got monsters in me"?
- KHKevin Hart
You know, when you say and- and- and use the, the word monsters, just for, for clarity so people can understand, of course we're talking about, um, the- the different levels to you, right? And, um, within the levels that I've discovered in myself, uh, of myself, you know, you got your good versions and your bad versions. And the bad versions I refer to as monsters, but just because they're bad doesn't mean they don't have good quality. And when you're winning and you're succeeding, there's this idea that everything is right. There's this idea that perfection is now presenting itself, and life moving forward is gonna be just an easy road. Um, and it's not until you're in that position where you expect perfection and you think that, that you start to see the true problems and flaws really present themselves. And you know, my monsters have been, um, masked in disguise in- in various different ways. But I've been able to- to pinpoint them throughout the years, um, because some of those monsters, uh, grew, got stronger, um, developed. You- you're talking about the world of an ego, the- the- the idea of- of who you think you are versus what you are, or, um, the idea of expectations and needs as to what you feel you need and what you have to have. That's a, that's a monster that's feeding that, right? That- that engine of, "Well, now that I'm making money, this is what I should have. This is how I should look. This is how I'm supposed to be." That's a monster that you're feeding, because ultimately you're buying in to something that you're creating. You're- you're enhancing this world of thought. And it's not till you sit down and you take a breather, and you start to really kinda, you start to really figure out the true definition of happiness for you. You start to really understand, uh, the adult that you have grown into and the level of maturity that has now, I guess you can say, have been banked inside the- the- the- the human that you are. It's, you're banking so much over the years. And ultimately you're- you're shaping and molding yourself into this, this grounded, hopefully, this grounded individual that you're proud to look at in the mirror at the end of the day. I had to start to, I had to get to a place to where I was looking in the mirror and I was proud ... of what I was looking at, and I was okay with checking myself. I was okay with, um, pointing out my flaws. I was okay with knowing what I do well and what I do wrong. And at the end of the day, there's no consequence to always improving. There's no consequence to growing. You're in a time now where, uh, people almost frown upon, uh, the world of growth. I embrace that. I embrace the world of correction. So the monsters and the world of how to tame them came from me understanding the different levels of monsters that have presented themselves to me over the years, and me getting them to a point to where I put them in a place where I can control them. They're still there. They can rear their heads, but I can say, "Sit down. That's not necessary. That's not needed." And I can tell when one is trying to take me back to a place of old, but at the age 43, it's exciting to know that I've grown from so much and, and, you know, the, the world of want is significantly different than what it once was.
- JSJay Shetty
It's really interesting you use the analogy of like looking in the mirror and being okay with yourself, and when you said that, I was thinking, yeah, when you look in the mirror, there's no trophies.
- KHKevin Hart
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
The reflection doesn't show the trophies, the wins, the money, the whatever else. It just shows you you. And the fact that you've had the courage to look at that, where do you think when you track back, I've always been fascinated by memories that we hold from our childhood that have left an imprint that's really strong in our lives, whether it be positive, challenging, whatever it may be.
- 7:38 – 13:06
Having parents that opens opportunities for you
- JSJay Shetty
What's a, what's a difficult memory from childhood do you think that has been the catalyst for so many things in your life? Is there anything that you go back to that you're like, "I can see how that... And I had to turn that into a positive."
- KHKevin Hart
I think the biggest memory for me is the, the one of being complacent. You know, as a child, I, I wasn't really a, a kid that embraced the world of challenge, right? I was very complacent. I was okay with being a subpar to low average student, right? I was okay with not trying. I was okay with not giving my all, and I was kind of okay with getting over, right? So the biggest memory that I have in my childhood is like when I got to that early teen years, that 12, that 13, that 14, being sneaky and thinking that you're constantly one-upping someone was the, the, that's what I was embracing at the highest level. Do your homework. I did it. Did you really do your homework? I did it. And you taking my word for it and not checking my homework, oh, I didn't do it, but you think I did. I got over. Uh, ultimately, you're, you're slowly cheating yourself over the course of years, and it's not until you get a reality check as to why that work was necessary that you realize you're just not doing what you're supposed to do with your life, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
You're not, you're not giving your all. I had a lot of different examples of that. I truly had a mom that made sure that I had, and I didn't take advantage or embrace, um, the real work that she put in until I got to a older age of true understanding. But to be honest, I really threw a lot of those things to the side, the extracurricular activities, the swim teams, the, the football teams, the basketball teams, the track and field, the baseball. All of these things as a kid you don't understand your parents are doing to try to provide you with a world of opportunity. They're trying to keep you occupied. They're trying to embrace this idea of hard work, effort, activity, engage. They're doing all those things or all of these things for their kids or hopefully, right, for their kids to put their kids in a position to just want, right? Want the best, compete, uh, study, learn, be excited about their future. That light bulb went off late. Thankfully, when it went off, it went off at the, the right time, and I was able to identify a lot of stuff that I couldn't then. And also thankfully that a lot of the lessons that my mom constantly embedded in me about you don't start things that you're not gonna finish. You don't quit. Apply your all. Do this or don't do it. You're not cheating anybody but yourself. All of these things that I heard over the course of time, there was a moment when I got older, it, it, it, it all hit at the same time. But the real memory for me now looking back is I'm glad that I do see that, that I am aware of that because not being aware of that is the hugest loss.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Thinking that I took full advantage, thinking that I really applied or tried myself, thinking that that was 100% would be the real loss. So one of my best memories is knowing that at one point I was a slacker. You know, I was the guy that wanted to look like he was doing but never truly was, unless it was something that I loved and embraced and, you know, that was basketball, but the chances of me making it of that were very slim.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
Uh [laughs] , but, you know, that's, to answer your question, it's a ballpark of those memories that I now look back on that I appreciate but that also act as the fuel for the hard work and the 100% that you see that I put into everything I do today.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. That's such a great reframe around what you saw as a bigger loss. I think that's so powerful for you to sit here and say, "Actually, I'm really happy that I can see that I wasn't putting my best foot forward because that helps me be grateful to my mom. It helps me understand it from a different perspective." And the one thing that came to mind for me when I'm listening to you say that is there's this quote that says, "The day you realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you that you're wrong."
- KHKevin Hart
Wow. Wow.
- JSJay Shetty
And, and that's always been one of those statements that I think about that in my own self. I thought my parents were wrong my entire teenage life, and I think most teenagers do. And then all of a sudden I hit my mid-20s and I'm like Oh, wait a minute. My mom's been through a lot. You know, my parents put in a lot of sacrifice, and so I, I love that you brought that up. I mean, one of the reasons we pushed this show back was you lost your father recently.
- KHKevin Hart
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And when I heard the news, obviously, you know, my love and condolences to your family, and I was, I was looking at what you were sharing and, and commenting about, and there was this one thing that you said that, that really stuck with me. Uh, and you said that, "My kids actually think I'm the coolest dad on the planet. I know why I am the way I am. My dad has a lot to do with that. The mistakes that my dad made, you know, the decisions to do drugs, being in and out of jail, in and out of your lives, I saw firsthand what not being present did because of that. I now know what being present means."
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
"I know what I can do. I know what effect it can have on your child coming up." But it sounded like, obviously when you lost your father recently, it sounds like you've, you'd reconciled, like you'd built somewhat of a
- 13:06 – 20:45
Don’t focus on the problem, focus on the solution
- JSJay Shetty
connection.
- KHKevin Hart
You know, me and my dad, we, we weren't the closest-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... um, but we weren't not close. My dad, uh, at the end of the day, I- I'm gonna love my dad-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... for simply being my dad. Now, my dad's life, you know, had several different versions of, of drastic downs, right? A small amount of ups, but a lot of downs. I can easily sit here and ridicule or judge my dad for the mistakes that he made or for his past, but that does nothing. It- I don't, I don't like to focus on problem, I focus on solution.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes.
- KHKevin Hart
So with me and my dad and our relationship, it was always one of solution. Like, you can't go back and fix the years that you weren't present. There's, there is nothing that we can do about that time. We can have a conversation about it. We can talk about it, and then me and my dad talking, my biggest thing was you don't have to focus on what you can't change. The fact that you're here now and that you made a decision to, uh, get clean, to turn your life around. It's never too late. My dad was, you know, 50 plus at the time when he said, "I'm gonna go ahead and figure it out, and I'ma, I'ma close that door, and I'ma work on this other door." This door over here was, like I said, jail, drugs, um, in and out of his kids' life, uh, to the point where, you know, there was a, there was a time where we didn't know where my dad was, and I, I bumped into my dad on a train. I tell this story. Um, I bumped into my dad on a public transportation in Philadelphia. Like, not seeing him in years, I randomly saw my dad, and my dad was so embarrassed, he got off the train and ran. But it's like, that's, that's where-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- KHKevin Hart
... that world and that relationship was. And what I do very well, I don't hold on to grudges or gripes.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
It takes too much time. It takes too much energy. Things will work themselves out. They never not have. It'll always work itself out. I mean, my dad worked it out, right? Like, it's about the grandkids, and our relationship got better as he embraced the opportunity to be a great grandpop, and seeing him try to do that right was his way of saying, "I wish I could have done this right for you. I can't." Like, I know what you're saying without saying it. Sometimes you don't, you don't need words. Although some people do need them, sometimes your actions are a little better, and my dad's actions, um, in trying his best to be an unbelievable grandfather made our father-son relationship that much better. And you know, there was a lot of conflict between my brother and my dad, and seeing that mend over the time and just saying, "Look, I'm, I'm not supposed to be here. Dad, look at what your son has done. Look at where I am. Being that I can, I wanna make sure that you get to see some dope things in life. Here, let's do this and take that and live like this and do..." So things worked themselves out. His reward for giving his energy to something positive and life-changing was his son becoming successful and his son saying, "Dad, huh." It's not expected. That wasn't the plan. You got a great piece of light at the end of that dark tunnel that you didn't expect, that I didn't expect, 'cause I didn't expect to be here. So everything kind of, it works itself out.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And you know, and losing my dad is when you look back and you go, "Yo, he was all right," right? Like, my, my reflection, my conversation, my words when I speak on behalf of my father, they're so positive and dope because he did good. I'm all right.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
I came out okay. Mom, Dad, you did good.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
Like, how- whatever, whatever you did to, to put whatever recipe in this pot, the food came out all right. I'm a good person. I got a good heart. I treat people with respect. Ultimately, I want the most that I can possibly get out of life. I love to love. I'm a good dude. Am I perfect? No.
- JSJay Shetty
Of course.
- KHKevin Hart
I got some of them imperfections over there. I got some of the ones from over here, from Mom and Dad. Okay. That's life.
- JSJay Shetty
Of course.
- KHKevin Hart
I'ma figure it out, but I, I figure it out without the want or need for problem.
- JSJay Shetty
That's real, man. I mean, I- I- listening to you say that, what I appreciate so much is about how you're ch- changing our perspective again, that often we feel to heal what was broken needs to be fixed.
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And actually, what you've just said is seeing him try with the grandkids, that's not even the area that needed fixing or was broken, but seeing that starts to create some healing.
- KHKevin Hart
That's the best example that I can ask for.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
... because it's not about, it's not about us, right? Like, me and my ex-wife got to a point of realization, you know, after having a significant amount of ups and downs, you know, after our divorce. We got to a point where you realize it's not about us. Like, we, we did it. We had our opportunity, and we're now adults. How we choose to live as adults, well, that's a choice that we make. But we're trying to make the best choices so that they have a better life. So it's about them. When I see somebody making the efforts to make life for them better, well, then we're on the same page.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm. We have the same vision.
- KHKevin Hart
We got the same vision.
- 20:45 – 25:20
It’s hard to see the good if you’re only seeing the bad
- JSJay Shetty
courage. But one of the things that you said about you and your partner, your ex-wife, that I think is really powerful is that when it's just about us, whoever that may be, you're either looking at each other or you're looking past each other.
- KHKevin Hart
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
And what you just said is, now we're looking in the same direction when it's the kids.
- KHKevin Hart
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And so that switch, if you think about any relationship in our life, when we think it's just about us, when it's not about anyone else, you're always gonna be against each other.
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
But as soon as there's a higher purpose or there's a commitment or there's a value that supersedes that-
- KHKevin Hart
An understanding
- JSJay Shetty
... an understanding, yeah
- KHKevin Hart
An understanding that comes with the world of communication and great dialogue.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
I can ... You know, in having this conversation, I can point to so many examples of how it's so hard to see the good if you're only seeing the bad.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Like, there's so many people that struggle with what their version of success is because they're looking at someone else's.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
There's so many people that struggle with their world of relationship because they're judging theirs based off of someone else's, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
And when you're constantly in the space of not realizing or noticing your world, your reality, because you're living in what appears to be someone else's, well, your shit is never gonna be right.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
It's never gonna be right, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Like, if I'm, if I'm looking at everybody's relationship with their father and I'm going, "I want that"-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... well, I'm not embracing the world of good that came from my dad. I could have went down the road that my dad did. I could have easily been wrapped into the same world of, you know, drugs, gangs, violence, stickup boys, right? Like, the embracing the hood at the highest level. Not that I don't, because I do.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
That's where I'm from. But I could have, I could have embraced it at a much higher level-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... and followed in the footsteps of my father because that's what he did.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Um, but I was able to realize the mistakes he made. I was able to go, "Well, I don't want to go down that street-
- 25:20 – 35:12
The simplest things came from an idea
- JSJay Shetty
What were the shifts that needed to take place in order for you to go from being complacent to being one of the hardest working people who's committed to something?
- KHKevin Hart
I'm big on just, like, um, logic, right? And there's this, there was this, like, moment that I had where I, I, I just kept saying, "Why not?" Like, why, right? And, uh, Russell Westbrook is a good friend of mine.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
I, I tease him all the time because the, the one saying that he has that I, I wish I would've had-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
... or I wish I, I, I got to first is, "Why not?" Right? And it's so genius. It's so genius. It's so simple but yet so profound. You don't just have to have one job, and working any job and whether that job is a 9:00 to 5:00 or whether it's a, you know, half a day, full day, whatever it is, you don't just have to do one thing. You can do a lot of different things. But there's this weird, there's this weird mindset that a lot of people have that you can only do one thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And when I realized I don't have to just do one thing, I can do a lot of different things. You can be good at a lot of different things.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
But you don't know that you're good at a lot of different things unless you try-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... a lot of different things. And when I looked around and I kinda just realized how the world goes around, it's all based off of creativity.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
It's all based off of ideas. It's all based off of thought-provoking, then groundbreaking opportunities.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
But the simplest things have come from an idea.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
From your chair to your table to your wheel to your light bulb to your car to your plane to your helicopter to the idea of a hotel. From hotels going to a place of people renting out houses and Airbnbs to taxis to then people driving their own cars, and o- these are all ideas.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And the groundbreaking thought that I had in realizing all these ideas is that these ideas have the potential to touch the sky if a person believes that they can.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
If a person believes that they can, well, your world of idea changes. Your reason for getting up, your reason for putting your feet on the ground every morning, it can change if you believe that the purpose that you now have and that you're working towards based off of an idea is something that you can succeed in.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I grasped that understanding, and I attached it to everything that I tried to do. I did not set out to be the actor, the director, the writer, the producer, the CEO, the chairman, the advisor. I did not set out to do any of these things, and I'm gonna make it very clear, I don't have the educational background for any of these things. What I had was an idea to try.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And after you get an idea to try, what I had was the patience to sit and listen, be a sponge, learn, figure it out.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
In figuring it out, there was another side of not being okay with the incomplete version of figuring out the thing that I didn't do.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
Well, why did I go ask all these questions if I'm not gonna try it now that I know how?
- 35:12 – 43:19
Team effort is the foundation of success
- JSJay Shetty
one mindset that you're trying to pass on to that next generation, your kids, the kids that come after that? Because it sounds like while you were honest in saying, "Look, I didn't know I was gonna be a writer, director, or entrepreneur, or CEO. I didn't have these, I didn't have the education," as you said, but it sounds like you have some ... You have the mindset. That's very clear. We know that. But there's some core skills here that it sounds like you've invested in very deeply and that you're trying to pass on. If you could narrow them down to one, two, or three for us, what would you say are the skills that you're like, "This is how I want my kids to be able to operate in this world, and that's what they need"?
- KHKevin Hart
The best skill that I have developed is the skill of noticing and understanding that nothing is done by one individual. No level of success is reached by one person, right? Like, there-
- JSJay Shetty
So that is-
- KHKevin Hart
... there, there is a team effort-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- KHKevin Hart
... that goes into the smallest moment of success to the largest.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And the person that wants the rewards and the accolades for it all and that doesn't embrace the world of team and the foundation that stands underneath-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... whatever that thing is, is a person that won't last long.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
The thing that I am most thankful for and the thing that I, that I'm glad that it has just improved over the course of time- ... is the world of inclusion with the we. There's no I.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And, and I hope that that's what I'm passing down to my kids is that, you know, nothing is given, everything is earned.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And for things to be earned correctly, you know, you, you have to surround yourself with people that you can not only earn with, but that will support and embrace along the way, right? I have an amazing team. I hope that my team grows to be the stars of tomorrow. From execs, to creatives, to talent, to writers, producers, directors, everybody that's underneath this umbrella of Hartbeat, of Hartbeat Ventures, of the brands and the brand partnerships and the space of entertainment and this ecosystem within media that we've created, we flourish because they flourish. And knowing that, identifying that, and trying my best to support that, that's the thing-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... that I have had to work on. And when we talk about monsters, Jay, there was a-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
There was a I monster.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
There was a I need to do it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
I'm gonna make the call.
- JSJay Shetty
Me first is all.
- KHKevin Hart
I got a- I'm a bo- I'm- No. Everybody move. Watch out. I'ma show y'all how to do it. I'ma take the meeting. Hit, We're not listening to that. We're gonna do it my way. There was this heavy thing of me, I, I-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... I, I, I. Get out the way, Kevin. Get out the way and let other people be great. They're only going to make this thing greater. You're prohibiting that by trying to stand in a moment of, of great so that people can look and point at you.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Let other people do the thing that they were brought here to do. And while they do it, align yourself with them, embrace them, support them. And as they grow, we grow.
- 43:19 – 58:24
Celebrate each other’s success
- JSJay Shetty
about you, Chris, and Dave, which... And I love hearing about that friendship. It, it's so beautiful to hear about that. Uh, I read something from Bob Iger where he was talking about how at one point Spielberg, George Lucas, and I think it was Tarantino, they would show each other their movies before it went anywhere. So they'd sit in this tiny little theater or whatever, they'd show each other their movies, give each other feedback-
- KHKevin Hart
Mm
- JSJay Shetty
... and then they'd all launch their movies.
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm.
- JSJay Shetty
And of course, all of those people are, you know, I mean, icons. And it's unbelievable because you think they were so confident in who they were and what their style was. I mean, a Spielberg movie doesn't look like a Lucas movie, and a Lucas movie doesn't look like a Tarantino movie. They were so confident in who they were and what they brought to the table that they could even show their best work-
- KHKevin Hart
I, I trust your level of understanding opinion and story in the highest regard, that even though we don't share the same love for genre, material, whatever, whatever you wanna call it, right? Like, uh, w- whether it's sci-fi to drama to action, like these are all, like you said, different people, but you know story. You know character. I trust that you'll be able to watch my project, tell me if my characters are easy to track and if you care, and if you don't care, I also trust that you'll be able to tell me why you felt you didn't.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I also feel that in the space of solution, you're not gonna throw things at me that are not doable. You're gonna know the context of what I have that I'm working with, what's left on a cutting room floor, what I can possibly do to do reshoots. Everything that you're gonna tell me is within regards of having my best interests.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
That's confidence. That's also a strong relationship and a friendship that along the journey of success, as we've all gotten to the top of this mountain, we understand that your stance on your mountain has nothing to do with mines. Dave Chappelle has made me and Chris Rock feel stupid at times-
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
... when it comes to our choice of material.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
We have watched Dave in our earlier, uh, stages of just working on our set, and we would spend time at the Cellar, and one would come and we would all go, and Dave would go up, and me and Chris would just went up, and we're happy about our material. We're giving each other notes. We watched Dave. There's been times where we have looked at each other, and we balled our papers up and said, "We gotta start over."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
"We gotta start over."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Not because of, of jealousy or envy. No, because we challenge each other-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... and we, we, we spark and amp the world of like we want the best for not only each other, but for ourselves.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And, and you inspire me, and you encourage me. And I love the rapport that we have because we do exactly the same thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
"Yeah, I think my hour's ready. I want you to come see me, Chris, tell me what you think."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
"Kev, I like it, but I still think you can. Kev, come see me. I'm doing an hour and 40 right now."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
Hour and 40?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
"Yeah, tell me what you think. I'm probably gonna trim 20 out of it."
- 58:24 – 1:06:47
Talk to yourself
- JSJay Shetty
Do you think it was... Was this something, was this an epiphany that you had before the accident, or was it that this really... Because in your Audible, when you talk about like how when it's just silent-
- KHKevin Hart
Mm-hmm
- JSJay Shetty
... you figure out what really matters. Like, when I heard that, I was just thinking like are near-death experiences, you were told when you came out of it you should be dead, and you're like, "Well, I don't remember anything," does that feel like that was a moment that there is a massive awakening, or were you already kind of working with some of this?
- KHKevin Hart
No, I, I had a, I was always a transparent and authentic person, but-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... you definitely change.
- JSJay Shetty
That's what, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Right? You, you definitely change. And by the way, still changing. I'm not sitting in front of you-
- JSJay Shetty
All of us
- KHKevin Hart
... yes, as a-
- JSJay Shetty
All of me too
- KHKevin Hart
... unflawed man. Like, I, I am my dad's child, and my, I'm my mother's child as well. There's nothing more humbling than a quiet room. There's nothing more humbling than the realization of what is really, like, necessary.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
What you take for granted and what we don't think twice about is not until that's compromised that the true appreciation for life, I feel like, can sometimes be had. I don't want to speak for everybody because I think there are some people that truly do get it and that truly do thank whatever their space, um, or version of a higher power is daily for life and for what they do. Um, you know, I believe in God, so I'm, I'm not as spiritual as some may be, but I'm very thankful for the life that God has allowed me to, to live and the opportunities that I've been able to embark upon. But I got a lot more appreciation after life was almost gone.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Right? Like, do you really appreciate your toes?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Do you really appreciate your fingers? Like, do you really think about your movement, your joints, vision, smell? Do you really think about how fortunate and, and lucky you are? It's the only time where I get a little, where I slow up.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Right? And when, when I'm slowing up, it's because the reality of that- ... was significant. I really almost died. My kids and all that, like what ... As I'm moving so fast, I didn't even have everything dialed up for if said thing were to happen, what, what ... Oh, 'cause I'm, I'm out here, I'm just roaming. I'm out here aimlessly living, and I'm moving so fast I've yet to grasp the true concept and reality-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... of responsibility. Immediately, let me get my responsibilities in order. Because if that had of been-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... there would've been a lot of people with their hands up as to what, how, when. Fame is great. The lights are great. Kevin Hart, Kevin Hart, Kevin Hart. Number one, number one, number one. If I was in that room with my goddamn wife, my brother, my kids. You look around, you got a lot of friends, you got a lot of people that love you, but then you start to ... Well, what really matters? That's when my mindset started to change. That's when you go, "Okay, my approach to just me and working on me, it needs to be different." I've contradicted myself a lot since. You know, y'all wanna slow down, I'm gonna make sure I give my family more time. I have. That doesn't mean that there can't be more.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
The day-to-day battle of am I giving enough? Am I ... Guys, you know how much dad loves you. I'm here. I'm, like, you know, always working to make sure and do more, but is it enough?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Am I a workaholic? Okay, but that's not a bad thing, uh, 'cause I'm ... You love to work. Yes, you do. That's a passion. You get, you got something that you go after every day. That is a driving source for me. I'm not in the business of letting that go. But boy, you better put your hands on these people and make sure.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
You better make sure that you are giving the time that you said you would when you were in that time of solace. Okay. All right. I'm constantly talking to myself. I-
- 1:06:47 – 1:10:16
Looking at things with both lenses
- KHKevin Hart
dad today."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Right? You can only try your best-
- JSJay Shetty
Try your best, yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... to do that.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
Ultimately, just because you say you're a good dad don't make you a good dad.
- JSJay Shetty
No, of course not. Yeah, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Just as you say you're a good boss, don't make you a good boss. I can say it every day. I can think I'm doing it, but if on the opposite side, if I'm viewed differently-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- KHKevin Hart
... well, that would be because I'm doing something wrong and I'm not aware.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
What I now do is make sure that I'm looking at things through both lenses.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
Not a one-sided POV.
- JSJay Shetty
I love that.
- KHKevin Hart
It's not, it's not just my perception of what I'm doing and how everybody else should see it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
In doing that, the, the way that I try my best to back up the, the hope of me being perceived as that is by putting the true work in to be that.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Making sure that I'm really engaged with the other people, making sure that there's a rapport, that there's energy. Um, and you know, the wife and kids, the same thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Making sure that there's a rapport, that there's, you know, I'm asking the questions and I'm getting the answers, but I'm, I'm asking for things so I can get the proper feedback so that if I do need to adjust or if I do need to fix, at least I'm aware.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Um, operating, um, with the assumption that you are or that you're doing, it can be a, a crutch.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Like, it can be, it can be a bad thing if I'm operating with the assumption because one day you'll wake up and they'll go, "You know, I never liked when... Or what acted as a problem for me for all these years was when you..." And then you just go, "I never knew. You never said nothing."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And sometimes people don't wanna say anything. Sometimes people don't know how to say anything. So the world of dialogue, communication, and just openness is what I think I've gotten better at-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- 1:10:16 – 1:15:12
You gotta learn it
- JSJay Shetty
that gets you to do things even that are against your own values, right? Like, the monster gets so strong that you go as far as that, and when you get caught, you go, that was an awakening. But it still doesn't wake you up fully, right? There's, there's a, there's a limitation, so walk us through that.
- KHKevin Hart
Well, I mean, look, you're, you're talking about fame, you're talking about power, right? And that idea of invincible. Once again, this is a, this is a thing that a very small percentage of people are going to be able to experience or understand, right? And it's very easy from the outside looking in to go, "Pssh" or "How?" or "I don't believe" or "How can?" Right? Um, but from the other side, not that it's right, first of all. Wrong is wrong. You're never gonna hear me try to justify or excuse. Wrong is wrong. But in being wrong sometimes comes with world of situation.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
The world of opportunity, right? If you constantly around bad apples and you hungry and people keep saying, "Don't eat these apples," some people are gonna be able to hold off. But you do have some people that are gonna pick up that apple and bite it. It's not right.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
It's not something that's justifiable to some. What's the worst that's gonna happen? I'ma eat it and then what? I'll probably be sick for a second, and I'll throw up, and then I'll be fine.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Well, that apple killed you. But your way of looking at it in that moment, I'll be fine.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
The idea that comes with that level of success and that comes with opportunity based on situation is one that you look at as, I'll be fine. It's easy as nothing with it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
It's not till your hand is in the pot and you get burned or caught or whatever-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... you know, that you gotta sit down and then you gotta think about it. You gotta, you gotta look at it and then you realize the layers that are attached to it, and that's when the life-changing side of thought happens, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
And then it becomes about you and how you look at yourself. How do you view yourself, and what do you expect from yourself, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
It's not... It's bigger than just the partner, of course, that you wanna respect. It's also about you and how you wanna be viewed at that point.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Like, what, what's important? Where, where are you at? Where are you at with, with you? In that mirror, when you get to looking in that mirror, you know, if you are all right with what you looking at and you're fine, flawed and all, then all right.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Getting older to put you in a position- To where you just start to look at yourself and you're talking about the complete finished product that is and will be you. Those are the moments that you just gotta do your best to not only overcome, but just get by.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And, and you know, once again, it's a battle.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Right? Marriage, love, you gotta learn it. And at a young age, when you're embedded into it, you're not gonna get it, right? You gotta learn it. It's unfortunate how the lessons come from whichever side, however it happens. But when learned or when taken as serious as it can be-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... of course you reap the benefits and you see how amazing it is. But, you know, I, I wasn't that smart, and I'm not gonna act as if I was.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And that's from my first marriage to that. It's-
- 1:15:12 – 1:20:50
Would you wish pain and suffering for anyone?
- JSJay Shetty
like-
- KHKevin Hart
That's a lot. Jesus Christ
- JSJay Shetty
... I was like, "I would not wish-"
- KHKevin Hart
Jesus.
- JSJay Shetty
I was like, yeah, it was someone reading it out to me, and I was like, I was like, "I can't subscribe to that."
- KHKevin Hart
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
I was like-
- KHKevin Hart
That's, that's a lot
- JSJay Shetty
... it was a lot. I was like, I can't, you can't wish pain and suffering onto anyone because even though we know you grow through tough things, and you've grown through so many tough things that were not your choice, and then some things that were your choice. But we shouldn't expect that other people can navigate those situations.
- KHKevin Hart
You know, it's-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, go ahead
- KHKevin Hart
... it's good when you say, like, you know the choices that you make, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Um, and because of our times today, the world of what one does or has done is amplified.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
'Cause we're in a position where everybody can have an opinion, and there's a space to voice said opinion, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I'm gonna dumb it down.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And I'm gonna go to the lowest level right now. When people do some of the dumbest mistakes, from crime, theft, infidelity, cheating, all of-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- KHKevin Hart
... go, go all around. Who has vetted out the consequences? Nobody has sat and vetted out the consequences, right? Everybody that's robbed a bank has attempted to rob a bank because they found it to be a very easy thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
Like, "I'm going here. 12:00, that man go on break. When he go on break, I'ma go in there."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
"And while he on break, I'ma get the money and then we gonna come out."
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
"All we gotta do is get back before he get back from lunch."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
"And we, we it. We got it."
- 1:20:50 – 1:25:27
Critical thinking
- JSJay Shetty
we're encouraging here on this platform is critical thinking. Let's be open to the fact it could be really basic, it could be really deep, it could be somewhere in between, and most likely you have no idea because you're not that person, right? You didn't do that. You didn't have to live through that.
- KHKevin Hart
It's a very slippery slope to go down when you talk about it because like I said, you're in a time-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... where everybody knows everything.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Everybody's the smartest person in the room today.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
And that's a, that's an amazing thing to me. Like-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... everybody's right all the time.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
You telling me nobody's wrong today?
- JSJay Shetty
Even if they're two, three, four, six, X, Y, Z, yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Everybody. Do you understand that we're in a time-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... where everybody's right. Everybody knows everything.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Everybody is the smartest person in the world. I call them the best coaches that have never won a championship.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
People don't think about that enough.
- JSJay Shetty
Coaches in the stands. Yeah, the coaches in the stands. Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
I mean, it's something that we're eventually gonna have to get out of.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
The world of anxiety and mental health is at the highest level just that it's ever been. It's on the front page.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I wasn't aware of mental health at the, at the level that it is-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- KHKevin Hart
... uh, pre-pandemic.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
I, I had no idea that it existed at the level and that so many people suffered. I had no idea-
- 1:25:27 – 1:29:56
There is no handbook to fame
- KHKevin Hart
of the success and the fame, it's like, what am I, what do I want? What am I doing, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, I see that.
- KHKevin Hart
And the information that I now have the opportunity to give, the, like, the information.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
If nothing else, the information. If you really wanna have impact, you wanna try to position yourself to help create the opportunities for change. Uh, financial literacy in the Black community, not understanding banking, having known it, my alignment with Chase and, and, and well, JP Morgan, my, but my why. The- there's a why attached to it. Okay, I'm, I'm ... This is a reason. I got, I got something bigger-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- KHKevin Hart
... than my fame and success. I... Okay, this is a passion-
- JSJay Shetty
Yes
- KHKevin Hart
... and something that we're trying to correct. Okay, in the space of inspiration, motivation, there's a passion attached to me trying to simply inspire and motivate those that just simply aren't getting motivating messages on a day-to-day, because some households just don't do it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Some may not have the households that do it. I didn't grow up in a mom and dad, the dinner every night, the, uh, family prayer at the table. I didn't have that. I didn't, that's not my life. There's other people that do have it. There's some people that just, it's them and their mom, them and their dad. Some people don't have anybody. Whatever that thing is, you don't know who's pulling from what to try to get to where. Like, you, we have no idea. So if I can now act as a aid that is giving you nothing but verbal warfare attached to truth and authenticity-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... if I'm giving you anecdotes and gems that are attached to a real-life concept, like this isn't, it's not made up.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- KHKevin Hart
I'm giving you simple information based off of me and my battles. I just told you there's no handbook for fame.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Yet and still I'm giving you, in some way, shape, or form-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
... something that can be camouflaged as an example of how I had to handle a just deal.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I have an opportunity to have an on-season and off-season.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
My on-season is movies-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... maybe a stand-up comedy tour, maybe not. My off-season, I can go and I can, I can be a speaker at, I can talk to companies about, I can go to, uh, said conventions and give X, Y, and Z, uh, that's used to simply amplify, motivate, inspire. Whatever those things are, once again, I'm creating another door-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... attached to a piece of passion that I discovered. I discovered this. I didn't set out to do it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
I discovered it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- 1:29:56 – 1:36:11
Kevin on Final Five
- JSJay Shetty
Hart, these are your final five. Question one: What is the best advice you've ever received?
- KHKevin Hart
Don't be local.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Be global.
- KHKevin Hart
Chris Rock.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
Do not be a local comedian.
- JSJay Shetty
Love that.
- KHKevin Hart
Make the world laugh.
- JSJay Shetty
Uh, second question: What is the worst advice you've ever received or heard?
- KHKevin Hart
Worst advice I've ever received or heard is sometimes you gotta make a studio respect you.
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- KHKevin Hart
You said don't give long answers to that, so I'll summarize it.
- JSJay Shetty
I, I wanna know, yeah. [laughs]
- KHKevin Hart
It was based off of-
- JSJay Shetty
Now I wanna know. Now you got me
- KHKevin Hart
... it was based off of, you know, after you get to a place in acting where you become number one on the call sheet-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- KHKevin Hart
... if a studio isn't doing things to your liking, well, you know, sometimes you gotta not show up. And the reason why I say that's the worst advice that I've ever received, I'm a straightforward businessman and always have been.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And the world of negotiation can be simplified. Doesn't have to be the game of back and forth and true war, right? So being in a room and having a face-to-face conversation with foundation of understanding of what you want versus what I want, you can succeed a lot more.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
And I've never not done that.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- KHKevin Hart
All opportunities, all business, all relationships have flourished because of an understanding of communication that I've done in the room.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- KHKevin Hart
Uh, whether it be my team, studio, studio, me, my team, um, that-
- JSJay Shetty
I love hearing that
- KHKevin Hart
... that to me has, has allowed me to achieve much more success than allowing other people to talk for me and other things to be elongated and go on and on, and you end up with a perception that's- Not of you.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- KHKevin Hart
That's created based off of the idea of what people think you are because of the way that you've handled business.
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