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KHLOE KARDASHIAN'S EYE OPENING Speech On How To MANIFEST ABUNDANCE! | Jay Shetty

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Khloe Kardashian. Khloe is most well-known for her role on the reality television series Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

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  1. 0:00 – 0:00

    Intro

    1. KK

      [upbeat music]

  2. 0:00 – 2:56

    Imagining a World That Is 5% Kinder

    1. KK

      They want to tell you when to stop hurting, and that's not anybody's place to tell you when to stop hurting. It's... And everybody has a different lifespan of pain.

    2. JS

      One of the things you said to me that stood out in one of our DM conversations was you said, "Imagine if everyone in the world was 5% kinder."

    3. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    4. JS

      And, and that stuck with me. I was just like, wow, like, yeah, imagine if everyone was just 5% kinder. Like, you weren't talking about, "Oh, let's make everyone in the world super kind," and, you know. Tell me what that means to you and, like, what made you say that and where that came from.

    5. KK

      Well, I feel, I don't know if it's the older I get or the more accessible I am to so many people because of social media nowadays and just the technologies in our hand, um, it just feels really heavy. The world feels really heavy and depressing, and if you read statistics, um, for mental health, bullying, violence, everything is escalated. And I think we're too exposed to too many avenues of people and too many ways for people to connect with us. And we are all made up of energy, and when people either take too much from you, it is a ripple effect. And sometimes if someone projected negativity onto you, you just instinctively will project it back to them or as a defense mechanism to somebody else. And it's also not fair to misdirect that energy because it is a ripple effect and it goes to other people. But if we were to be a little more self-aware, and when someone is mean or negative to us, instead of us being combative back, if we were just like, "Why are you hurting?" Or just even like, "Okay," and just took it instead of having your ego involved where you have to shout louder. If you just took it, that's even just being kind. I'm not saying people have to go buy roses for everyone-

    6. JS

      [laughs]

    7. KK

      ... or whatever. But even-

    8. JS

      Yeah

    9. KK

      ... opening a door, um, smiling at someone, you don't even have to talk.

    10. JS

      [laughs]

    11. KK

      It's a universal language that everybody understands. That would give a ripple effect. Or even the karma back to you that you're gonna receive a little bit more kindness that day. I think it's highly naive of me to say 50% or let's, oh, I want everyone to, you know, think that they're surrounded by glitter and unicorns. Like, that's just not reality. It is... And it's also cool when life gets heavy, too, to see how you can manage and filter through it, but that doesn't mean we still have to be horrible people to one another.

    12. JS

      Yeah. No, I love that. I love what you're saying because I think we also, and you touched on this, we think being kind means these big gestures or, like, having to save the world or, you know, doing something really colossal. Like, it has to be big and expansive. But you're right that we forget and we underestimate how much just a smile, a kind word, a, a kind message, or thinking of someone can just change someone's day. And I love those simple things because I think that those are things anyone can do-

    13. KK

      Mm-hmm

    14. JS

      ... and those are things everyone can appreciate.

    15. KK

      [smacks lips]

  3. 2:56 – 6:25

    Small Acts of Kindness and Seeing People as Human

    1. KK

      Whenever I have, like, a waitress or someone, they are busting their butts to work, and they're cleaning tables, and they're serving you. It's a beautiful thing. And instead of just, like, you don't even look up at them. If you just look at them, stare them in their eyes and say, "Thank you," or you can tell that people are so rude-

    2. JS

      Yeah

    3. KK

      ... to people in any service industry because they almost get, like, shocked-

    4. JS

      Yeah

    5. KK

      ... like that someone's staring directly at me.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. KK

      And as a human, you never wanna feel that you're invisible or that people are looking past you. You want people to look at you.

    8. JS

      Yes.

    9. KK

      And even just that alone, that makes someone's day. And if someone was having a bad day or feeling like, "Man, I can't get by. I'm working my ass off, and I'm still, people are just mean to me," it depresses them more.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. KK

      Like, it's like, just look at someone, "Hey, how are you? Thank you so much." Like, that's it. A busboy, anything, I think we all take for granted how hard everybody works. No matter what your job is, it's still a job.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. KK

      And just a little smile or a little, "Hope you're having a nice day," like something so simple, it does nothing for y- Like, why does that hurt you? Just do it, and it, it could really change their entire day.

    14. JS

      I remember a huge mistake that I used to make. Like, this was something that I wish I never did, but I did, and I, is I literally used to walk into Ubers and, or Lyfts, and I'd be on my phone. And I wouldn't say anything because, you know, you've already programmed where you wanna go.

    15. KK

      Mm-hmm. Right.

    16. JS

      So you don't need to talk to the person if you don't want to. And I would just walk in. I wouldn't even say hello. And I wouldn't say hello. I wouldn't say, "How's your day?" I wouldn't greet them. And it took one driver to actually not start driving for like three minutes, and he was like, "Hello. How are you?"

    17. KK

      Oh, wow.

    18. JS

      And I probably even missed it the first time, and the second time he was like, "Hello. How are you?" And he kept asking me. And it must've been like the third or the fourth time that I registered because I was so busy.

    19. KK

      Wow.

    20. JS

      And I was just like, "Oh, wait a minute." And he was just like, "Yeah, I just wanted to have a, just-

    21. KK

      Yeah

    22. JS

      ... ask how you were." And it just took me to that where I was just like, I can even just, just saying hello. Now, I'm not saying you need to get into a, a big life story conversation-

    23. KK

      Totally

    24. JS

      ... with your Uber-

    25. KK

      Right

    26. JS

      ... or Lyft driver. But the point being that I think it's so-

    27. KK

      They're still humans.

    28. JS

      Correct.

    29. KK

      Right.

    30. JS

      Correct. Yeah.

  4. 6:25 – 10:07

    Journaling, Posting Positivity and Choosing Empathy

    1. JS

      When did you kind of get to that space in your life where that became a priority? Like, when did you come to that and you were just like, "My self-care and this journey of self-reflection are important to me now"? Like, when did you get to this space of everything you're sharing now?

    2. KK

      Well, I've always been a writer. I write a lot, and I journal. Um, I write a lot mainly for myself.

    3. JS

      I bet.

    4. KK

      And then... I love it. It's so therapeutic. Um, I did a lot when I, especially when I was going through my divorce specifically, and it was so therapeutic for me. Um, you're just even able, it's like a release, and sometimes when you write something, you either see how important it is or how silly it is to you at the same time, but it's out of your system, and you can burn it, do whatever. And then I used to write, um, I would post a quote and then write a large caption, and it's before I had as many followers, and it, some people would tear it apart so much that they took out like the real meaning of it, and they would make it into whatever they were feeling, and it wasn't what I was feeling. So I just chose to stop doing that as much, 'cause it kind of ruined it.

    5. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    6. KK

      Or like the blogs would create things, and I'm like, "But that, you took the beauty out of it. That wasn't what it meant."

    7. JS

      Right.

    8. KK

      Um, but not everybody is as deep or as, they just want it to be salacious and something way worse than it is. But I also started seeing how much people were craving some sort of guidance, if you will, and not that I'm that person to go to, 'cause I'm still figuring out my life. We all are. We're still just human beings, and we're gonna make mistakes and live our life, but that's, I'm okay with sharing my failures because I'm secure enough in just me being a person. I'm still figuring it out.

    9. JS

      Yeah.

    10. KK

      I don't know what I'm doing every day. But some, I just realize how much, what a positive reaction I would get when I would post something encouraging to other people.

    11. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    12. KK

      Or I would go on someone, I would go on strangers' pages and just be like, "Oh my gosh, I love your freckles," and like what that would do. I'm like, that's crazy that just being kind gets so much positive feed- but like that should just be normal.

    13. JS

      Mm.

    14. KK

      I think we're just used to people bullying each other, and if someone, like I would never go to someone's page to criticize them. That's just not who I am. I wouldn't waste my time. If I felt something, I'm like, "Oof, why did I even think that about this stranger? Who am I?" I would go to someone's page to encourage and uplift. So, but I think in today's day, we're so used to people going to pages to be these, uh, you know, computer bullies and let's just talk about people. But I mean, they're really struggling in their own life, and that's the only reason why they're acting out like that is because they're feeling that about themselves or whatever, and they're just trying to project it to somebody else.

    15. JS

      Yeah.

    16. KK

      You know?

    17. JS

      And I love how that, what you just said now, it's almost like it transforms your feeling towards them into kindness too, because you start recognizing where they're coming from-

    18. KK

      Right

    19. JS

      ... and what they're going through to make them that way.

    20. KK

      I think, it's just created, I, it's interesting. In the world that we are in, it's either the more you're exposed to, you see a lot more negativity, and it's disturbing and disgusting to me. But instead of me becoming bitter and evil about it, I've chosen to become more self-aware, and I have more empathy for people, and I never wanna change that. I think if anything, it's given me more empathy, 'cause I'm like, "Oh, I feel really bad for you."

    21. JS

      Yes.

    22. KK

      And I feel bad that you can't also understand that I'm just living my life. I'm not perfect. I am doing what you're doing every single, we're just trying to figure it all out, but if we're all a little more understanding and kind to one another, it would make our trials, tribulations, ups and downs that much easier.

    23. JS

      Yeah.

  5. 10:07 – 11:51

    Journaling as Therapy and Problems Being Relative

    1. JS

      I love that you've always been journaling.

    2. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JS

      I think that's such a, it's such a great practice, and, and I love that because I've recommended it to so many people that I've worked with to, to journal and read it back to themselves. And you're so right that sometimes you read your feelings back to yourself and you cry, and there are some times you've read your feelings back to yourself and you laugh because you're just like, "What, really?" Like [laughs] "Am I really-"

    4. KK

      Oh, right. You're like, "That's what I'm upset about?"

    5. JS

      Yeah.

    6. KK

      You're like, that is so petty in today's world or... But, and we all have to also be kind to ourselves-

    7. JS

      Mm-hmm

    8. KK

      ... and realize that, like I hate when people say like, "What do you have to worry about? You have all this money," or whatever. Oh, so money means you don't have problems?

    9. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    10. KK

      And I don't care who you are, problems are problems. Um, in your world, I might, you might walk a day in my shoes and be like, "I don't want those issues." Or I might walk a day in your shoes and be like, "Wow, everything's beautiful," but you might see what I thought was beauty as you're not happy and satisfied with that, and you still want more or maybe you want less. Those are all okay feelings.

    11. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    12. KK

      That's why we each have our own lives.

    13. JS

      Yeah.

    14. KK

      But to attack somebody else for what is considered their problems I just find really counterproductive, and that's not motivating yourself. If you want a lot of money, go out there and get it. I believe in you. I'm applauding you. But when people, I think journaling is so good, especially when it's private because for me personally, it's something I get to write down and I don't feel judged, but I'm allowed to criticize myself-

    15. JS

      Mm-hmm

    16. KK

      ... because it's my journey and I know the day one to the last day that I've taken those steps. So I'm allowed to critique and be like, "You know what, Khloe? You're, you're way past this. You don't need to harp on things like this." I think it's healthy, and even if you read it back and you just laugh at yourself, I think that's also a great form of therapy.

    17. JS

      Yeah, 100%.

    18. KK

      Yeah.

  6. 11:51 – 16:24

    Conversational Prayer and a Morning Gratitude Practice

    1. JS

      What's the most powerful or meaningful journal entry you ever wrote that was, that was really like transformative for you?

    2. KK

      Huh.

    3. JS

      I'm fascinated.

    4. KK

      That's a good question. You know, I, sometimes I write and I don't even know what I'm saying.

    5. JS

      Right.

    6. KK

      Like sometimes I'm just like, it's like words, and then it turns into something, and I never even knew that was a thing. But I- I was like, you know, I'm just compelled to write

    7. JS

      Mm

    8. KK

      ... and I would just start scribbling, and it might be literally talking about my day, and then it goes into maybe, like, something to do with, like, "Why did this happen?" Like, you're just like, 'cause your mind wanders. I know you meditate. I'm not, I pray. I'm not great at meditating and sitting, and my mind wanders too much. So I, when I pray, my prayers are very conversational.

    9. JS

      Yeah

    10. KK

      And I realize it's kind of how I journal as well. It's more of a conversation, but I'm talking almost to myself-

    11. JS

      Yeah

    12. KK

      ... which might be a little insane, but [laughs]

    13. JS

      No, not at all. I think, I think the most important meeting we have is, is with ourself.

    14. KK

      I guess so.

    15. JS

      So I think it's great.

    16. KK

      Yeah.

    17. JS

      Yeah, no, it makes sense. Uh, I, I love that because for me, meditation's a prayer too, and, and I think that's what's so beautiful about it, that it is a conversation. It is an exchange. And often one of the things that I would do is I would, in my meditational prayer, I would ask a question

    18. KK

      Mm.

    19. JS

      And it's not about trying to find the answer. It's about sincerely asking the question. Like, can you really ask a question with sincere ite- intent, with, with a genuine feeling of like, "I really wanna understand this"? And when you ask it with that, then of course it becomes a conversation because there's a response. And you're right. Sometimes it's from within, sometimes it's from someone you have a conversation with that day.

    20. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JS

      It, it comes from absolutely anywhere, and I, I love that. I, I think prayer is so important, and, and like you said, even if it's just a conversation with yourself, God-

    22. KK

      Right

    23. JS

      ... the universe, whatever you work with, it's, it's a beautiful practice to have.

    24. KK

      I don't care what anybody else believes. I believe in God. I'm not judging whoever believes in... I do believe everybody should h- have a faith in something. It centers us. It holds us accountable for our actions every day. Um, and so my faith is in God. I'm Christian, and I wake up every morning early intentionally so I can, I have a beautiful view, and I open my windows, and I just look and I pray of, and I always start my day with gratitude because I think that transcends through the rest of my day. And not that we can control every emotion, but I like to, even if I, sometimes you just wake up, and you're either melancholy or you're just kind of grumpy.

    25. JS

      [laughs]

    26. KK

      But even if I am, I try to convince myself, "This is a great day. Look how blessed you are. Like, everything's beautiful. We take our health for granted. Like, we're healthy." Like, I just try to have a conversation with myself, and if I am having a grumpy day, it normally turns it around.

    27. JS

      Yeah.

    28. KK

      Normally.

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. KK

      We all have those moments where it doesn't.

  7. 16:24 – 22:02

    Healing After a Breakup and Forgiving for Her Daughter

    1. JS

      What's something you're trying to figure out right now? Like, what's something that you've been reflecting along right now?

    2. KK

      Goodness.

    3. JS

      [laughs]

    4. KK

      My life. No. [laughs] Um, you know, I, there's nothing specifically I can pinpoint.

    5. JS

      Yeah.

    6. KK

      Um, I absolutely love being a mom. It's one of my favorite things.

    7. JS

      Mm.

    8. KK

      And, you know, I've re- well, about, uh, under a year I would say, about eight months ago, I went into, I've had a breakup, and so figuring out, I've think people are so good at distracting. Um, and I've really chosen to not distract myself or to try to not distract myself. Maybe people can say True would be a distraction, but if anything, she's a healthy distraction. And I love, like, I haven't jumped into dating. I don't care to date right now. I'm not in a rush for it. I feel so good in my life, and I, I don't really need much else. Um, and so something that I'm focusing on is just making sure that I process everything. I think especially in my family, we're good at moving on. Like, we're, we f- we have v- very big, forgiving hearts. We just move on, but we don't really talk about things that happened, and I don't really know if that's healthy or not. And so for what I went through with my breakup, I forgive Tristan. I don't think he's a bad person. I think we all make mistakes. We're humans. But I, it's only gonna hurt me if I'm holding onto this anger and playing this victim role. I don't believe in being a victim. I believe in, "Okay, this happened to me. Let's figure it out. Let's push through it," and maybe if I'm open and honest about it, it can help other people feel like it's okay. We're all human. We're all gonna get through things. But you also can't condemn somebody else for just either sinning differently than you did, or I just feel like we're all, we're all so quick to- You know, uh, exile people and to, it's just so cr- heavy to me. And so something that I'm just focusing on is making sure I'm healed from that or as much as I can and try to understand it as much as I can, and then don't distract myself right now. And so I just try to have a lot of me time in the mornings, and that's where I kind of filter through that-

    9. JS

      Yeah

    10. KK

      ... I think. [laughs]

    11. JS

      Hearing that's beautiful.

    12. KK

      Oh, thank you.

    13. JS

      Yeah, no, just listening to you say that, I was like, wow, like how, what a beautiful place to be in.

    14. KK

      Thank you.

    15. JS

      That, that-

    16. KK

      I feel really good.

    17. JS

      Yeah.

    18. KK

      Like, I feel-

    19. JS

      I can hear that.

    20. KK

      I do, and I'm, I'm proud of myself 'cause I think so many people, it's natural to almost be the victim. It's natural when like, especially when you're on this platform and the whole world is like, "Oh, I feel so bad for you." It's like, okay, thank you, but this has also happened to I'm sure hundreds of other people before. Not saying it's right, I'm just saying I'm not gonna die. We're all fine. And I wanna show my daughter that it's okay and it's a beautiful thing to also forgive her dad. He's a great person. It's, you know, maybe him and I weren't compatible or whatever on that way, but that's okay. Like, nobody's gonna die here, and I always want True to be surrounded by love, and I know babies feel energy. We feel energy, and I just want her to always feel just bliss as much as I can.

    21. JS

      That's so incredible. That, that's a-

    22. KK

      I know it's not realistic every day, but as much as I can control it, I feel like it's my mama bear job to control it.

    23. JS

      Yeah. [laughs]

    24. KK

      I think so.

    25. JS

      Yeah. Well, well, when I'm, when I'm hearing you say that, I'm feeling the energy of what you're saying, and to me it, it sounds like the... You know, I don't think, I don't think what you're presenting is an ideal impossible. I think what you're presenting is a very real opportunity to say, "It's my child. I want her to have this environment, and I'm gonna work really hard for her to have this environment," whatever that means.

    26. KK

      Oh, it's hard.

    27. JS

      Right? Yeah, of course it's hard.

    28. KK

      It's not easy for me.

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. KK

      It's, it's, you know, it would be easier for me-

  8. 22:02 – 28:27

    Responsible Healing and No Deadline on Pain

    1. KK

      and I've, I've been through a lot of things in my past that I think have put me here. I'm not saying, oh, it's so easy and... No, it's hard work. It definitely is, but I think with every relationship I've been in, I've always learned kindness is really, kindness and understanding.

    2. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. KK

      And also I've, like one reason why I stopped sharing my journaling or my long captions, if you will, is because people only understand from their level of perception as well, and it would infuriate me when my beautiful notes, I'm sure you can understand 'cause you share so much, would be taken in a way that I'm like, "That's not at all how I meant for that to be." And so I can't explain something to someone when this is only the level of their understanding and the, their want-

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm

    5. KK

      ... to understand.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. KK

      People also have to have the desire to wanna learn more-

    8. JS

      Mm-hmm

    9. KK

      ... and want to open up their mind to un- Like, if I'm closed up and if I'm just some bitter person where I live my life, like the world is unjust and why do bad things happen to me? It's like, to me there's no good, there's no bad. Things happen. It's the energy of the world. How you handle it is then, again, another ripple effect from how I think more things are gonna happen to you. But if I'm sitting here like, "Life sucks. Life is so unjust, unfair. All these bad things are happening," then oh my gosh, you're just gonna attract all this heavy stuff. But if I'm like, "Okay, that was not the best, but I'm gonna figure out why and let me try to move on and still let me not misdirect my energy. Let me try to be happy. Let me try to still be kind to others," as much as you can.

    10. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. KK

      And you can still hurt, but you should also heal and then be responsible for your hurting and not channel it to other people.

    12. JS

      Yeah.

    13. KK

      I just feel like sometimes we're really irresponsible with our feelings.

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. KK

      And we have to be responsible. As adults, especially adults that are supposed to be guiding kids and, like, our youth, you have to be a lot more responsible in how we do things.

    16. JS

      Yeah. That, that's so true. I love that about being irresponsible with our feelings. Let's explore that a bit because I think that's such a powerful statement in and of itself. And, and this morning, literally this morning I was sharing this- ... uh, reflection that I was having on social media, and it was about how it's, it's tough to start communicating with children, but sometimes it's even more tough to communicate with our inner child.

    17. KK

      Mm.

    18. JS

      Right? And, like, while we're trying to grow up and everything, and it's like what you're saying, that we're irresponsible with all the feelings that were there, and we just move on, and we think when we move on, you've dealt with it.

    19. KK

      Right.

    20. JS

      But, but that healing that you're talking about is just, for, for me as well, like, I, I always felt like I was someone who moved on, and I was always felt like I was someone who, like, oh, I didn't get affected by that.

    21. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JS

      And then I started to see that actually I had behaviors in me that were complete reflections of a past pain.

    23. KK

      Mm.

    24. JS

      Right? Like, there were-

    25. KK

      Right

    26. JS

      ... there were behaviors in me that were reflections of a past guilt.

    27. KK

      Right.

    28. JS

      And then I realized that it's not that they just disappeared, it's that they were gonna come out in a different way-

    29. KK

      Yeah

    30. JS

      ... that was going to hurt future relationships, it was going to hurt present relationships. And, and for me, that's where I started to work through that, where I started to see, actually, what I saw in whatever it was, I'm now reflecting that. Let me look at that behavior and see how that behavior can be healed and transformed.

  9. 28:27 – 33:41

    Fitness, Self-Accountability and Revenge Body

    1. JS

      And what would you say to someone who's in that situation, whether it's, whatever it is, whether it's they're physical, they're emotional, they're mental. How do we then talk to that person or coach them with compassion out of that? Like, you've done a lot of that work. How do you do that with someone else in the same way as we do with ourself? Like, what would you say to them?

    2. KK

      It's on- it's, it really does come from within. I think whenever people do things for other people, it's always, you're setting yourself up for failure.

    3. JS

      Mm.

    4. KK

      I think you really genuinely have to want to change areas of your life, and if you don't, just be happy with who you are. Um, it doesn't, I don't care physically what you look like, your weight, whatever. As long as you're healthy and h- happy, do you. But I know for me, I was overweight for, like, I was unhealthy for a lot of my life, and then when I was like, I just, I started going to the gym during my divorce, like a s- a significant and consistent amount for my mental.

    5. JS

      Mm.

    6. KK

      I needed a release and I needed to feel strong, and I just needed to get rid of all of these thoughts, and I wanted to be alone, and the only place to really be alone was being on an elliptical with headphones in my ears and kinda just vibing out. And as a side effect, I started losing weight, and I was like, oh, I kinda like this. Like, you know, losing weight, and it then became, like, just some competitive weird streak in me, that it was like, I wanna see if I can get arm muscles.

    7. JS

      [laughs]

    8. KK

      I wanna see, like, it started that. But that was never my goal, was never-

    9. JS

      Mm

    10. KK

      ... I wanna look good in a bikini. That was never my goal. It was I just wanted to feel good mentally.

    11. JS

      Mm.

    12. KK

      And I think when you start putting yourself first, you start feeling so much better.

    13. JS

      Mm.

    14. KK

      There's not a size clothes that that you have to fit into. It's just p- then you start exploring things. Like, wow, I like how I feel when I drink more water.

    15. JS

      Mm.

    16. KK

      I like how I feel when I pray in the morning. And because of that, you start to become happier and lighter, and then you start to want to do more things, be more active, socialize more. Whatever it is.

    17. JS

      Yeah. And so many studies now show that even a small amount of exercise a day- ... is so great for the mind and the brain, and I think that's been underestimated for so long. And I know I underestimated that in my life for so long, where, you know, I was always someone who focused on the mind and kinda neglected the body-

    18. KK

      Mm

    19. JS

      ... and, like, pushed the body to limits. And then I was just like, "Oh, wait a minute. They're all interconnected."

    20. KK

      Right.

    21. JS

      Like, you can't just say, "Oh, I'm gonna deal with this. I'm not gonna deal with this." Actually, when you take care of mind, body, and soul, then it starts, then you feel the best version of yourself.

    22. KK

      Correct.

    23. JS

      And, and even if... And that's what I love, that even if your first intention for going to the gym or doing anything is wrong, as you do it more, you'll probably come to the right conclusion.

    24. KK

      Right.

    25. JS

      Right? If you stay consistent with something-

    26. KK

      Completely

    27. JS

      ... you usually raise your intention.

    28. KK

      Completely. I have a TV show called Revenge Body.

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. KK

      And all the people, they s- it's a show, and all these people are from different walks of life.

  10. 33:41 – 37:11

    Non-Negotiables and Working With Family

    1. JS

      You've, you've talked about things that you do, like gratitude, journaling, prayer. What else do you do on a daily basis that you don't negotiate with? You're like, "I have to..." O- obviously exercise, too.

    2. KK

      Work out. [laughs]

    3. JS

      What... Yeah, working out. Yeah, that one, too. What else is there in your day that you're just like, "I can't negotiate with this. Like, this has to be something that I must do every day, every week"?

    4. KK

      Um-

    5. JS

      Or are those the-

    6. KK

      Those are pretty much the core.

    7. JS

      Mm.

    8. KK

      I mean, it's praying-

    9. JS

      Yeah

    10. KK

      ... and working out are, like, my two that I do-

    11. JS

      Yeah

    12. KK

      ... basically every single day. And, like, yesterday I did my schedule wrong. Or no, the day before I did my schedule wrong, so I missed my workout, and I was like, "Ah." Like, I felt... No, I felt fine. I went-

    13. JS

      Mm

    14. KK

      ... along my day. But I just, when I realized that I did my schedule wrong, I was like, "Oh, my God. I'm so bummed." 'Cause what it does... I'm not, like, it just clears my head. I feel so good afterwards.

    15. JS

      Mm.

    16. KK

      So whatever that is for people, it doesn't have to be what your non-negotiables are or mine. It's just I think everybody has to have-

    17. JS

      Mm-hmm

    18. KK

      ... those. There are, like, I think they, they fuel me.

    19. JS

      Mm. Yeah. You talked about working with your family, which I think is fascinating in, in the first sense, because it's an amazing thing that you're constantly surrounded by, working with. Uh, you know, just, you're just in that environment all the time. And you said that you're good at moving on and forgiving each other, which I think is an am- incredible quality as well. Like, what's that like to, to deal with every day, and how are you, how are you learning more from that experience? Like, what are you learning from that?

    20. KK

      I think it's one of the best blessings in the world that I get to say that my job is being with my family every day. Um, when this first started we were much younger. I think I was 23 or 24. I'm still 23 or 24.

    21. JS

      [laughs]

    22. KK

      I just don't know how that works. But-

    23. JS

      Yeah, we're in the same generation

    24. KK

      ... yeah, I'm like, "What?"

    25. JS

      Yeah. [laughs]

    26. KK

      Um, but it, you know, norm- when you get older, you all have your own families and kids, and not that anything happens, but you normally see your family, holidays, not as frequently.

    27. JS

      Yeah.

    28. KK

      We see each other every single day, and I'm honored to be able to do that. Yes, there causes more fighting or tension, but the thing that I've learned about my family is we are loyal, and we, no matter what disagreement we have or whatever, we'll always figure it out. We're not a family that's like, "I haven't spoke to my sister in seven years." Like-

    29. JS

      Mm

    30. KK

      ... I don't know how people do that. And we are very understanding of each other. Um, and I just think it's a really great dynamic. Like, we're understanding of if we're all going through something or whatever, we really try to be there for one another and support them through that. And I just think it's, I think it's important to show our kids about family unity or to show that, you know, two heads are better than one, three are better than two. We're not competitive with one another. And whatever we each wanna do, we support each other until the end. And I, I think today's world, everyone's, like, in a battle to who's the best and who's this and who's that. And when we first started, I remember, like- ... interviewers would always say, "So, like, do you guys go after the same men?" Or do, like, they would always, like, our questions would be more, they would almost want us to fight. They didn't, they couldn't stand that we, it was just really, like, no, we just love each other.

  11. 37:11 – 40:33

    Raising the Standard of Media and Why Some Resist Positivity

    1. JS

      And I think we can change that. Like, the, the reason why I do what I do and what I really believe in and why we've connected and what I love about our connection is I genuinely believe that if we keep giving people, if we, if we keep shooting for the lowest common denominator for people, then they'll settle for that, right? Like, if you only put junk food in front of someone-

    2. KK

      Yeah

    3. JS

      ... they're gonna take that and eat that.

    4. KK

      Right.

    5. JS

      But if you put healthy food that maybe looks and tastes like junk food, but that's, you know, really amazing, then most people will switch.

    6. KK

      Right.

    7. JS

      And, and I feel the same's true of media. I feel the same's true of stories. I feel the same's true of everything. I, I believe that people are more beautiful, deeper, and smarter than we believe, and we don't give, we don't always give everyone an opportunity to live to that. And therefore, people with influence, people with responsibility, people with power can either choose to sell something that shoots at the lowest common easy thing to shoot at.

    8. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JS

      And it's easier to sell-

    10. KK

      Mm-hmm

    11. JS

      ... garbage, quite frankly.

    12. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JS

      It's so much easier. But we are the ones with the influence and the power to say, "No, actually, let's, let's make people-

    14. KK

      Right

    15. JS

      ... aspire for the higher that we know that's inside of them."

    16. KK

      Right. Yeah.

    17. JS

      You know?

    18. KK

      It's interesting, I get so many people will comment negatively when I post almost positive things. I have, I have ups and downs. I have a handful of supportive, handful of, "Oh my gosh, get over yourself," or whatever, and I'm like, "You need this the most."

    19. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. KK

      Like, it's so, you can tell the people that are really suffering the most, because they're so quick to condemn and to just take the junk food.

    21. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    22. KK

      They just want the bad stuff. They can't handle the good things, and especially when it's consistent, because that's just... I post for me. I don't post for other people.

    23. JS

      Yeah.

    24. KK

      Like, I'm like, this is for me. I need to hear those messages.

    25. JS

      Yes.

    26. KK

      And if I need to hear it, I'm hoping at least one other person does. And, but it's interesting that you can see right off, like, the people that are resistant to it, because some people don't, they also don't wanna open their mind up to becoming better people. Because sometimes your own comfort will restrict you from your own happiness, though.

    27. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    28. KK

      Because they're too afraid to step away from their comfort zone.

    29. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    30. KK

      They would rather just be complacent instead of actually finding, like, something that really makes them happy and excited about life.

  12. 40:33 – 44:09

    What Motherhood Has Taught Khloé

    1. JS

      Tell me something that you've learned from True and something you're trying to teach her.

    2. KK

      Oh.

    3. JS

      Because so many of our-

    4. KK

      Beauty

    5. JS

      ... because her energy on-

    6. KK

      Hi, Malika. Malika's here.

    7. JS

      Hi, Malika.

    8. KK

      That's my best friend.

    9. JS

      Hey. So nice to see you. Thanks for being here.

    10. SP

      Thank you.

    11. JS

      Yeah, nice to meet you. I'll give you a big hug in a moment. Yeah, yeah, later, definitely. Uh, but, but I, I, I know that you post so much about her. We've, we've spoken about her. I think her energy radiates straight off the page. You know, uh, my team was speaking about her earlier as well.

    12. KK

      Thank you.

    13. JS

      Like, yeah, what, what has she taught you, and what are you trying to teach her?

    14. KK

      I've al-

    15. JS

      I'm asking this because I haven't had kids yet, so-

    16. KK

      Oh, my God

    17. JS

      ... I'm trying to take notes

    18. KK

      ... no, she's, and it's interesting. I never, like, you can feel your child's personality, and, like, she's a really good person. She's, has empathy already for other people, and it's, it, it sounds crazy that you can know that, but you can. I never really understood that until I had a child. And I've always had patience. I'm, I'm good with patient. I've always loved kids, but she gives you a different kind of patience, and when you feel that, like, you're exhausted and you can't go on with your day, when you're around your own child, you get this surge of energy, and you're just like, "Oh, I gotta keep going." Like, you, you just figure it out. And so she just gives me, I think, more of a drive, and to stay fit, to stay healthy, 'cause I wanna be an active mom with her. I wanna be here as long as I can. Um, but I would say it's a different type of patience. I think it's a softer patience, and I mean, I've always been goofy. I've always been silly. So my inner child is there, and I will be the first one to play and be wild, and I don't care how I look. Like, I'm like, "I'll be an animal. It doesn't matter."

    19. JS

      [laughs]

    20. KK

      But I mean, you're just, like, reliving your childhood again. It's fun.

    21. JS

      Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

    22. KK

      Yeah.

    23. JS

      Yeah. So that's what she's teaching you.

    24. KK

      She's t- and she's also, she's taught me so much more understanding for my mom.

    25. JS

      Oh.

    26. KK

      And you just realize that I think when you're a kid, you think your parents are ... superheroes, and they are. But you still have to understand they're just humans. They're still, like, I'm just a person. Doctors are just people. We give everybody so much power, and they're allowed to make mistakes. They're allowed to not know [laughs] what they're doing. My mom didn't have Google. How the hell did she figure things out?

    27. JS

      [laughs]

    28. KK

      Like, now me, I'm like, "I don't know. Can kids have honey?"

    29. JS

      Yeah. [laughs]

    30. KK

      I'm like, "I have no idea." I ask my phone and I get the answer. Back then, it's like I have so much more compassion-

  13. 44:09 – 49:50

    Mutual Appreciation and Closing Thoughts on "I Get To"

    1. JS

      What is it that's on your mind right now or that when we were talking and we decided to do this, what was there that was in your heart that you were like, "Jay, I really wanna share this. I wanna talk about this," that we haven't kind of dived into right now? You're like, "There's something on my mind that..."

    2. KK

      No, I feel like, I mean, I was so excited just to sit with you and to have this natural conversation. I feel like we've touched a lot of topics, and I love that. I didn't want it to be too contrived and about promoting something. I just wanted it to be, like, a beautiful conversation, so I appreciate that, and I feel like, I don't know. Is there anything else-

    3. JS

      [laughs]

    4. KK

      ... I'm thinking?

    5. JS

      No, that was the same for me. I, my intention was to just, I wanted to hold space to just hear you and let you talk and share because, f- like I said at the start from any conversation w- we've had, I just think that your journey of figuring it out, sharing this positive message, that energy's so awesome, and I want everyone-

    6. KK

      Thank you

    7. JS

      ... to experience that.

    8. KK

      Thank you.

    9. JS

      And, and that's what my intention was. And I, and I think I've had that today. I'm just sitting here listening to you going, "I've just learned so many things today."

    10. KK

      Oh my gosh.

    11. JS

      Uh, and-

    12. KK

      Thank you. And that's the thing. I think, I- our show is our show, and that's a, that's a piece of me. I don't blame anything, like, on editing. That's who I am.

    13. JS

      Mm.

    14. KK

      That's one, but that's one l- layer of who I am, and I don't really get to divulge in this layer of who I am. I mean, I do little bits here or there on Instagram.

    15. JS

      Yeah.

    16. KK

      But sometimes, like I said, it's hard 'cause people tear it apart from what they ever, what their level is to perceive something.

    17. JS

      Mm.

    18. KK

      And sometimes that discourages me from wanting to share because that's not at all what I meant. But when you're able to really vocalize something and have a natural dialogue, it's sometimes it's easier to share how you feel. So thank you for giving me this platform to do so.

    19. JS

      No, of course. That's, I mean, that's what I love about podcasts in the first place, but also just, like, yeah, just being able to dissect a topic for, like, 30 minutes, 40 minutes. Like, that's, we need more of that to also understand people better and give people an opportunity. But I'm hoping that we're gonna continue seeing you share your work. I'm hoping that we're gonna see more of your journals. I'm hoping and praying-

    20. KK

      Oh, thank you

    21. JS

      ... that we're gonna see more of that expression.

    22. KK

      Thank you.

    23. JS

      Because I truly believe it's helping people.

    24. KK

      Oh, thank you.

    25. JS

      And, and the, the percentages are always gonna be in your favor because-

    26. KK

      Thank you

    27. JS

      ... I think the amount of people that are good and seeking good and are starting with good intentions is so much more powerful and stronger, and I want you to feel that, so.

    28. KK

      Thank you. Well, you're definitely a huge, like, motivation I know for so many people that I know, and it's, I know it's scary and sometimes really daunting and heavy 'cause so many people do, someone like you, turn to you. 'Cause I know the little amount that people turn to me, and I'm not some self-help retired monk. Are you a retired monk?

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. KK

      I don't know.

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