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KIM KARDASHIAN OPENS UP About Insecurity, Healing Your Pain, & Finding HAPPINESS | Jay Shetty

If you enjoy this episode, you'll also love my episode with Kendall Jenner! 👉 https://youtu.be/ZjIRYn7x8sk Kim Kardashian is an entrepreneur, business mogul, and producer. She first gained media attention in her appearances in the reality television series "Keeping Up with the Kardashians," which chronicles the personal and professional lives of her and her family members. Over the years, Kim Kardashian has built a successful brand, including beauty and fashion lines, and has become known for her influential social media presence. You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 03:55 When was the last time someone didn’t recognize you? 05:02 How often do you take a mental health check and have some time alone? 07:22 How do you manage a life in public with different personas? 09:38 Going out of your way to be of help and support someone in need 12:50 This is what genuine compassion can do for your personally and for others 16:25 Self work can be different for different people and that’s okay 18:02 Putting your own happiness first is a skill that can take time to learn 24:31 Surrounding yourself with people you trust is the best place to be in 29:05 With parenting, everyone says the days are long, the years are short 32:05 Parenting challenges is a lifetime commitment for every parent 36:32 Kids can ask difficult questions and this is how you can be more open to them 38:56 The journey of personal growth through helping other people 40:54 Kim explains that we all make mistakes and the second chance we get makes a huge difference 44:12 “I’ve never been hard on myself, but I am competitive with myself.” 47:03 How can positive peer pressure help you? 52:08 The warm welcoming presence always makes people comfortable and welcome 54:41 When you feel like you’re the worst mom, how do you cope? 01:00:10 Living a good life and being the best example for your kids 01:01:34 Kim on Final Five

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  1. 0:00 – 3:55

    Intro

    1. KK

      Wait a minute, I'm trying to make everyone happy. I'm doing all this stuff for everyone else but myself. Let me just, like, pull back a second, focus on myself, and then it seemed like everyone else was happier.

    2. JS

      The bestselling author and host.

    3. KK

      The number one health and wellness podcast.

    4. JS

      On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

    5. JS

      When was the last time you went somewhere where someone didn't know who you were? Or actually, was there a moment where someone said to you, "Who are you? What do you do?" Like, when was the last time you had an interaction like that?

    6. KK

      You know what? In Japan, it's like that. You know, everyone's really respectful. Even if they might recognize you, they don't ask for photos, and it's a really amazing experience. I think it's important, you know, just to ... Listen, I love my life. I love everything that comes along with it. I am not complaining. But, um, a little glimpse of that, I think especially for the little ones, is so good.

    7. JS

      Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's definitely a beautiful experience. I think it's nice for everyone to feel wanted and loved and then also feel unseen.

    8. KK

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      Like, we, we almost crave both of those.

    10. KK

      Yeah.

    11. JS

      I was thinking about it today. You're always surrounded by film crews and, you know, you have, like, 352 million people that follow you on Instagram. I wonder, do you ever ... Do you prioritize time alone? Do you get time alone, and what does that look like?

    12. KK

      I do. I get up really early. My morning workout really is my ... I don't want to say therapy session 'cause it's not like I'm really communicating things, but even if I'm quiet and I'm in my zone, that's my mental health check every morning. I love my workout. It keeps me sane. I can't say that enough. That's my time in the morning. Then as soon as everyone starts to get up for school, the madness happens, and it's about two hours of madness from getting four kids ready in the morning, fed, out the door, on to school. I drop off school every day. And then I have a little bit of time, I'd say about 20 minutes, driving back where I just blast my music. I don't take any calls. That's my alone time. I love it. And then I get to the house, and I start my full workday, and I'm committed and focused. And then the madness of bath time, bedtime, dinner time, and once four babies are asleep, and I just cherish that time at night when everyone's asleep and I can watch whatever show I want and just have some alone time. So I do take the time for myself. I think it's really important.

    13. JS

      Yeah, absolutely. You, you said something beautiful before we started recording, and I, I definitely want to go in that direction because you were talking about the different platforms and how you can show different parts of yourself, but you came here because there was something specific.

    14. KK

      Yeah.

    15. JS

      And I'd love to hear that because I want to go in that direction with you.

    16. KK

      I love your podcast. I've seen it, and I've seen ... I think I just love seeing the, the reels that pop up with just a quick message that'll get you through the day, that'll remind you who you are, remind you what you need to come across and see at that moment in that day, and carry you through the day.

    17. JS

      Yeah.

    18. KK

      So I think it's important for people to express, like, how they feel and who they are a little bit deeper and what's in their heart, and I think that's kind of what this podcast is about.

    19. JS

      Yeah. And I think ... Thank you for trusting me. I, I really do value that.

    20. KK

      Of course.

    21. JS

      And I don't take it for granted. Uh, but the interesting thing there is I feel like there's a beautiful statement in Japanese culture says that we have three faces. One face we show to the world. The second face we show to our friends and family, and the third face no one sees.

    22. KK

      Hmm.

    23. JS

      And I wonder when you're talking about your values and who you are, what's the part of you that you think no one gets to see in all these other places that you want to share today?

    24. KK

      Hmm. I definitely think I show all my faces, but I do think that people pick and choose what they

  2. 3:55 – 5:02

    When was the last time someone didn’t recognize you?

    1. KK

      want to take from you. I do share journeys of mine that have been challenges, whether it's, like, law school and different projects and how starting a business and all of that. I, I definitely weave that in throughout, but I think that any time you have the opportunity to express yourself in a more meaningful way, I think it's always a good thing to do, especially since I'm just a big fan of you and what you represent and who you are. So I always love to share my tips and anything that I've learned along the way 'cause God knows it is not easy.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. KK

      Like, parenting is so hard. Family dynamics, relationships, it is so hard.

    4. JS

      It's really interesting you say that because when I was speaking to your mom, she was saying that about you. She was saying that you're the person that for anyone in your family, no matter how busy you are, you'll go completely out of your way. She was telling me about a particular incident, but she was just saying that you will just dive in, book everyone-

    5. KK

      Yeah

    6. JS

      ... on the flight, get everyone there, get to that person-

    7. KK

      Yeah

    8. JS

      ... help them, support them. And,

  3. 5:02 – 7:22

    How often do you take a mental health check and have some time alone?

    1. JS

      and even when it's someone who's not directly connected to you but is-

    2. KK

      Yeah

    3. JS

      ... indirectly connected-

    4. KK

      Yeah

    5. JS

      ... and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

    6. KK

      Yeah.

    7. JS

      But the idea of just you, you'll reach that far out. And when I was hearing that about you from her, I was thinking that that takes so much compassion and care from your side.

    8. KK

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      And those are not two words that on some of the other platforms that people may-

    10. KK

      Yeah

    11. JS

      ... hear about you, but, but that's what I'm getting talking to your mother about you. And I wonder how have you ... I feel family is the cause for so much stress for people. It's the cause for so much anxiety for people, and as you said, it's hard. How have you continued to lean in to compassion and care even when it's easier to compare and criticize and complain?

    12. KK

      Well, with family, I mean, I was always raised, like, no matter what, blood is thicker than water. There's no other options. So we definitely go through our things as sisters. There's no other options, like we will work it out, like we are family. We are sisters. We will figure it out. And I think you just have to ... I think also more compassion comes with age-

    13. JS

      Mm

    14. KK

      ... and the more things that you've been through, and especially I think my heart has opened up so much in that space just spending time even with people Behind bars that I'm fighting for and I might not have even had the slightest idea of what someone's gone through or even understood taking the time to listen to people more than maybe speaking and making it about yourself. And my compassion has just grown and my empathy has grown on another level. You can't really judge people for their pace on when they choose to really want to dig deep into their own compassion and empathy and when people choose to grow and evolve. But it's so nice to have people that support that journey and grow with you because once you realize that this life really isn't about you and it's about helping as many people as you can, all these, like, doors open up for you and your mind just opens up and it's a really great place to be when you feel like you have enough, when you would chase things for so long. And when you just feel content,

  4. 7:22 – 9:38

    How do you manage a life in public with different personas?

    1. KK

      it's such a good place to be and it's such an, like, allows for so much more compassion.

    2. JS

      I think, and I want everyone to go back and listen to that part, I feel like you just beautifully defined compassion and I'm gonna try and reiterate-

    3. KK

      Decode it [laughs]

    4. JS

      ... what you just said. Yeah, it was just, it was so well said because I think people think about compassion as care and you just defined it by pace.

    5. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    6. JS

      And I think when you're patient for the pace at which people grow-

    7. KK

      Mm-hmm

    8. JS

      ... and evolve-

    9. KK

      Mm-hmm

    10. JS

      ... that actually is compassion.

    11. KK

      Yeah. There's nothing worse when someone is, like, so woke and they've, they're on this therapy journey and they expect you to be right there with them. But it's a beautiful thing to sit back and watch people make mistakes, learn from their mistakes, grow and evolve, and just be there to hold their hand-

    12. JS

      Mm

    13. KK

      ... and support them. I think that's what anyone would want. I've seen so many people on these, like, self-help journeys that just aren't as happy, you know? And I think you just have to, like, sit back and do what works for you and move at your own pace and understand that it's okay that you're not at the same level as someone else.

    14. JS

      Yeah.

    15. KK

      I mean, I'm just such a b- like, everything happens the way it's supposed to. I love just people in their own journeys and I, I never try to be so preachy or to think that someone has to be in my place and at the level where I've evolved to. It's great when your friends have the same kind of epiphanies as you and you want the same things-

    16. JS

      Mm

    17. KK

      ... but then sometimes it's just not like that.

    18. JS

      Yeah. Yeah, definitely. There's, you've, you brought two things to my mind. One was what real love is. Like, when you really love your family, you don't love them because they change.

    19. KK

      Yeah.

    20. JS

      You're patient with them as they try to change. That's what love is-

    21. KK

      Yeah

    22. JS

      ... because they may or may never get to the other side. And the other thing that came to mind is something my teachers would often tell me, my monk teachers, they would often repeat to me that you're never trying to get someone to the next step in your journey, you're trying to get them to the next step in their journey.

    23. KK

      Yeah.

    24. JS

      And I think you're so right that when we're doing self work, we are constantly preaching to other people about the things we wanna hear-

  5. 9:38 – 12:50

    Going out of your way to be of help and support someone in need

    1. KK

      Yeah

    2. JS

      ... and the things we want to do.

    3. KK

      Yeah. And, like, self work can just be so different for so many people. You know? Like, my morning workouts, I swear that's my self work. My drive in the car every day blasting whatever music I want to-

    4. JS

      [laughs]

    5. KK

      ... like, that is my meditation, that's my zone, and that works for me.

    6. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. KK

      You know? When I need help and I need help figuring out different parenting things and different methods that I can use, I will reach out and get the help that I need when I need it, for sure.

    8. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    9. KK

      But I also think there's just, there's no, like, right method of what works for everyone. You know?

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. KK

      It's like whatever works for you, good for you.

    12. JS

      Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I feel like when, when people see you, and even, even now as you're talking, you have so much trust in yourself or trust in your inner voice.

    13. KK

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      That doesn't mean you're s- I don't believe you're saying, "I always get it right," or, "This is the only way," what you're actually saying is, "I've learned to trust my voice." And I wonder was there a time when you didn't trust that voice and, or can you remember the first time where you started to hear it? Like, I remember the first time I really started to hear my voice deeply was probably when I was 14 years old, and that's when I could hear this voice inside of myself that was like, "Jay, this is who you are. This is what you care about. This is what matters to you. You don't need to be this or be that or do it this way." And I remember I started listening to it then, and now that inner voice is really loud.

    15. KK

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      It's always there but-

    17. KK

      God, I wish I listened to my inner voice at 14 [laughs] .

    18. JS

      [laughs] Right. Do you remember when you first started, like ... Because when I'm spea- hearing you now, you're just like, yeah, like, I'm very comfortable with people being themselves and I'm comfortable-

    19. KK

      Totally

    20. JS

      ... being who I am, which is beautiful, but when did that ... I feel so many people want to live that way, but that's the thing we all struggle with.

    21. KK

      It definitely didn't come right away, you know? I was a people pleaser and I would make decisions based off of other people's happiness for so long. And I would say, honestly, in the last few years, definitely at 40, you know, I figured it out of just following my happiness, which was really, I think, an important place for me to get to because I always put other people's happiness over my own. And it doesn't mean you disregard other people's feelings and it doesn't mean you don't care and you don't love them, [lips smack] but it is a great place to be when you finally put yourself first. And I will say that took a long time, and that was, like, relying on other people for confidence in business decisions. And it's, it's great to have your team and to always, like, bounce ideas and make sure that you're collectively picking the right choice and, and work thing for you. But true confidence where you feel you're making the right decisions You know you got it. You are thinking about yourself first, and not just in a selfish way, but like in a protecting your heart way

    22. JS

      Mm

    23. KK

      It feels really good. And I might not have gotten there until I was literally 40.

    24. JS

      And what do you think it was about the last few years where you had to turn towards that, that pushed you there?

    25. KK

      I've never been an unhappy person. I'm always really happy

  6. 12:50 – 16:25

    This is what genuine compassion can do for your personally and for others

    1. KK

      with my surroundings. I don't need people to make me happy. I'm not really ever searching for something. I'm really content. My babies make me happy, my family, my life, you know, experiences make me happy. But when you just look around and when there's like tension and stress that is just not necessary from work, from relationships, from friendships, and you just decide to be still and not try to please everyone, it becomes just really clear and you realize that you just wanna be happy and you wanna share this life and th- these experiences with your group of people that you trust and you love and who are super loyal. Like, life is always gonna be stressful, and you can't control half of it. But if you can control what you put out and how you react to all of life's stresses and your response to all of that, and realizing that you could eliminate a lot of those stresses with making yourself happy first and choosing yourself, then you know you're in- on the right path. And once I did that, and once I chose to choose myself and be happy, so many opportunities just opened up, things that I never thought in a million years would come my way. It seemed like clear as day that the universe was rewarding me for choosing myself and, like, elevating, like getting to the next level in the video game. Like, I had to get here, and I was always, like, here-

    2. JS

      Mm

    3. KK

      ... just in my growth process. And once I chose myself, it was like, oh my God, the whole, the universe is opening up for you, and all these opportunities are coming my way. And those were the confirmations that I was heading in the right direction. I remember saying that to one of my sisters. I was like, "Oh my God, it is so crazy. I got this opportunity, this opportunity. This is changing. This is changing." And it seemed like all these amazing things started to happen in my life when I just took a second, was still, realized, wait a minute, I'm trying to make everyone happy. I'm doing all this stuff for everyone else but myself. Let me just, like, pull back a second, focus on myself, and then it seemed like everyone else was happier because a- everything was just falling into place. And that was like I saw it clear as day, and that would, like, push me and motivate me to continue to just be happy and do what I wanted to do instead of what other people wanted to do. And that was like, it was like a good feeling. It really, like, showed me that I was making the right decisions.

    4. JS

      Mm. I'm so happy for you.

    5. KK

      Thank you.

    6. JS

      Genuinely. And, uh-

    7. KK

      It's like a good place to be when you're-

    8. JS

      It is

    9. KK

      ... genuinely a happy person.

    10. JS

      [laughs]

    11. KK

      You know? Like, no complaints.

    12. JS

      Yeah.

    13. KK

      Like, not taking things too seriously, not taking yourself too seriously is also a, a little key to happiness.

    14. JS

      Yeah. I think the energy that gets lost in worrying about something versus working towards fixing it or solving it-

    15. KK

      Yeah

    16. JS

      ... can just drain-

    17. KK

      The worrying. The worrying, if you worry about something, it's not gonna change the outcome. Let's just come up with a solution.

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. KK

      Like, let's say what the problem is, not complain. I'm not a complainer. So it's like, let's just get to the solution, let's figure it out, and let's move on.

    20. JS

      Mm. Absolutely.

  7. 16:25 – 18:02

    Self work can be different for different people and that’s okay

    1. JS

      Absolutely.

    2. KK

      Nothing worse when you complain every step of the way.

    3. JS

      [laughs] Yeah. And, and it's, and it's natural and it's easy, but it, we all know it doesn't get you to where you wanna go.

    4. KK

      Yeah.

    5. JS

      And, and I think that's, that's a big reason. What's the, uh, I wonder with what you were saying, one of the big things that comes out as you were talking about family and people in your life, and you talked about your life as chat, like, there's this loyalty is such a big value for you-

    6. KK

      Yeah

    7. JS

      ... across your life, it seems.

    8. KK

      Yeah.

    9. JS

      What have you learned about people that you wish you learned sooner? Was there something that you started to learn and recognize patterns in people and that has made you better now, but you wish like, "Ah, if I learned this a couple of years sooner, then it could have saved me a lot of the, the stress and challenges-

    10. KK

      Yeah

    11. JS

      ... that came up"?

    12. KK

      Don't take anything personally. I've been really blessed to have really great solid relationships. I have the same group of best friends, we went to preschool together. We talk every single day. My best friend is my best friend since the day I grow up, you know, when I was born. The people I work with, my family, my sisters, but my best friend's sisters also. You know? And everyone I trust 100%, everyone is so loyal 100%. You can't come up to me and tell me something about one of my friends. If, if like someone were to say, "Oh, this person said this about you," and they're in my circle, I would be like, "Absolutely not."

    13. JS

      Mm.

    14. KK

      Like, I would trust that 100%. And I think that's so rare, or what I've seen is so rare, and

  8. 18:02 – 24:31

    Putting your own happiness first is a skill that can take time to learn

    1. KK

      I just feel so lucky to just love everyone around you, trust everyone around you. They trust you. My friends know they can call me any hour. I'll be the first one to pick up and help. All of my friends would drop everything to help me in a situation. And to have that real support and love, I think is everything in life.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. KK

      To have loyal, supportive people around you. And I think you can also tell so much about a person that has really long-standing relationships. That's stability When I look to hire people, I look at their previous jobs and how long they've had those relationships for. And think about it, if there's someone that's bouncing from job to job, obviously there could be other situations that come into place, but I value people that have these long-standing relationships with people, whether it's their employer or family, and that's super important to me to have all my friends have really important relationships in their life.

    4. JS

      I think that says a lot about you and the family because I wonder what it takes to hold onto a relationship like that when you're on a rocket ship, right? I feel like all of us deal with shifts in our life, transitions, and family and friends that we wanna hold onto, but it gets harder and harder, especially when there's success, when there's envy, when there's competition. And sometimes it's not because someone doesn't love you or doesn't care about you.

    5. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    6. JS

      It's so natural in the world we live in. And so what does it really take? Because I think this will help a lot of people. What does it actually take to hold on to someone you love and continue with all the noise and all the challenges and all the stress that comes with it? What does it actually take? Because it's tough.

    7. KK

      But then there's those friends that you don't have to talk to every day. I mean, thank God for group chats where you can chime in and heart something really quick, you know?

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. KK

      But, like, your real best friends will also support you, and it take- but it's- it takes that mutual respect.

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. KK

      Because what my friends are doing, if they have something that's important to them, it's just as important for me to show up for them as it is for them to show up for me. I might have a more colorful life and a bigger event that I'm asking them to show up to, but it doesn't mean that theirs isn't just as important. So I think just having that mutual respect-

    12. JS

      Mm

    13. KK

      ... treating people with respect is just a given. I truly think someone is such a solid person when they have really grounded relationships.

    14. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    15. KK

      Grounded in love and, and relationships can be different things. You know, sometimes you have your group of girlfriends that you love to go on vacation with, and then sometimes you have, you know, your other friends that you work really well with. Every relationship can be different. If you have just a mutual respect around the- across the board, that's, I think, the number one thing.

    16. JS

      Yeah. It takes two.

    17. KK

      Yeah.

    18. JS

      It takes two.

    19. KK

      Totally.

    20. JS

      That, that's the point. It's ... You're not gonna be able to create it or falsely hold onto with someone who doesn't-

    21. KK

      Totally

    22. JS

      ... wanna give you that respect.

    23. KK

      Yeah.

    24. JS

      It's not gonna happen. Yeah. We- you were talking about earlier about parenting and you brought it up a few times, and I wonder how you view-

    25. KK

      You don't have kids, do you?

    26. JS

      I- not yet. Not yet.

    27. KK

      Okay. We'll have this conversation again when you do.

    28. JS

      Yes, absolutely.

    29. KK

      [laughs]

    30. JS

      That's why I'm asking. That's why I'm asking parenting questions. What was your vision like for what you thought parenting was gonna be like versus what it actually is?

  9. 24:31 – 29:05

    Surrounding yourself with people you trust is the best place to be in

    1. KK

      to really teach us something, and it's a really hard task when you have four kids and you know they all wanna be put to bed at the same time. By the same person, and they all wanna do it individually and have that experience. And no one wants to wait, and I'm locked in a room with kids banging outside of the door because they want me to put them to bed, and I'm like, "I can't cut myself in four pieces, so we're gonna have to schedule this out." And we're coming up with a schedule, and none of them wanna listen to the schedule, and then they all start crying, and that's like a typical night, you know? And so I, like, sit them outside of my one daughter's door, and I'm like, "I'll pick you up next. We're doing this for 15 minutes." And they can't be patient, and they're banging on the door, "Come on, it's been five minute..." You know? It's like those nights are every single night. Big school projects, big things that are happening, and they don't understand that I work or I have a school schedule, too, or, you know, stuff kids will never understand. So I think it's just those nights when you can't divide yourself, and you have to just work with what we have and try to bribe two of them to get put to bed at the same time, you know?

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. KK

      I think unless you're a pa- Like, m- so much respect to parents, so much respect to people also that aren't parents that wanna live their free life. [laughs]

    4. JS

      [laughs]

    5. KK

      Enjoy it while you can. I was at Easter on Palm Springs, and I looked at my mom's house, and she had her table set for all of her kids, all of her grandkids, and we're all staying in her house. And I was like, it's, it's a forever thing. It's not like, hey, okay, you're 18 and you're on your own. It's a forever thing, and we're in our 40s, and we're still coming at her and fighting and asking my mom to resolve everything. And I look at her and I'm like, "How did you do it?"

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. KK

      I personally can't wait for my kids to get a little bit older.

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. KK

      Everyone, like, is so afraid of the teenage phase.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. KK

      I'm so excited for it. Play this back for me when they're teenagers, and I'll probably-

    12. JS

      [laughs]

    13. KK

      But I see the relationship I have with my mom, and I knew the relationship I had with my dad and how comfortable we were talking to them about all of our problems and all of our friend stuff and all of the drama and all of the high school stuff, and even the stuff I talk to my mom about now and how open I am about life and relationships and how close we are. Even if we didn't get it as a kid, I can look at her now and say, "I get it. As a mom now, as an adult now, I know why you made those decisions." And I love having that relationship, and that is why I wanted to have four kids. I saw my mom, you know, and my dad had four together before she had my two little sisters, and I loved the big family. And I always knew I wanted to have four kids, and I, I just love so much our relationship with her, and my grandma, and I just can't wait to have that with my kids. I can't wait till they're old enough to understand so much that I can never explain to them now that they'll get one day, and we can laugh about it.

    14. JS

      That's so beautiful. Yeah, you reminded me of a, a beautiful old saying that says, "The day you realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you that you're wrong."

    15. KK

      Mm-hmm. So true.

    16. JS

      Yeah, and it's like that idea of just you're, when you're a little boy, you, like, adore your mom, at least I did up until, like, 13 years old. Then you become a teenager, and you think you're too cool for your mom.

    17. KK

      Yeah.

    18. JS

      And then in my 20s-

    19. KK

      You're always back.

    20. JS

      Yeah, and then-

    21. KK

      I have, like, contracts with my sons

    22. JS

      [laughs]

    23. KK

      I'm like, "You're never gonna leave me. We always have to be besties. You're never gonna be too cool for me."

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. KK

      And they always say yes.

    26. JS

      Yeah.

    27. KK

      I'm like, "You can live with me in your 20s, your 30s, never move out."

    28. JS

      [laughs]

    29. KK

      They said okay.

    30. JS

      They've signed the contract?

  10. 29:05 – 32:05

    With parenting, everyone says the days are long, the years are short

    1. KK

      open and honest with my kids. I think that's the only way to be, and it could be things that they might not understand, and I'll wait to find the appropriate time to talk about it. I think they grew up seeing the cameras, and they grew up seeing that even as babies. You know, we'd walk out, and there'd be paparazzi. So it's not really something that they acknowledge a lot. But, you know, my daughter's really vocal. She'll tell them when she doesn't want them around and to leave her alone and to stop, and I love that they use their little voices. But they also have such a normal life and such a different life away from all of that, too.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. KK

      And that's why I love that my sisters and I all had babies at the same time, so they can be with each other and have these experiences together.

    4. JS

      Mm, absolutely. I, I've, when I'm... You know, there's all the words that come out from you are like togetherness, loyalty. It's, it's, it's incredible to see it in family. But I think what you've then done, which when I saw you do this, it, it really moved me when, when I saw you kind of move into that direction of justice reform and using your voice and training to be a lawyer to make this, these changes in the world out there because I find that, you know, there's, there's a natural sense of survival as a family. But then when you start taking into account the survival of others, there's an extension of love and, you know, what goes out to the world. And-

    5. KK

      Yeah

    6. JS

      ... I think it was really special to see that, and this podcast is called On Purpose for a reason because I think everyone's searching for their purpose. Would you say that that was a expression of purpose or-

    7. KK

      Absolutely I mean, I think that's one of those moments, like by chance I happened to be looking on social media and seeing a case that I just didn't understand. And I'm always a really curious person, so I'll never let something go if it's weighing on my heart to not at least try to figure out how it happened. I've always been really interested in crime stuff and solving things and figuring things out. So when I saw a case of a woman that just didn't make sense to me, I was really curious, and I sent, uh, this little video that popped up on my Twitter to attorneys that I knew really well that could answer questions for me. And then when it seemed like I couldn't just sit there, it was really weighing on my heart when I felt like it was so unfair. I didn't know that there was, like, thousands of cases that were so unfair. I just thought, "Oh, wow, like, I have to help this person." And then when I was successful in doing that, on my journey, I realized, like, wait, there's so many more people like this. Like, I can't not do something. And I think that that also goes with whatever's meant to come to you at your own pace for your own learning levels is what's meant to be because that came to me. I wasn't, like, searching for that, and that changed my life, and it changed who I am. I just can't sit around

  11. 32:05 – 36:32

    Parenting challenges is a lifetime commitment for every parent

    1. KK

      and see this happen to other people that aren't deserving of, um, their freedom. I think just everyone's on their own path, and things will come to you when you need to be, like, elevated-

    2. JS

      Mm

    3. KK

      ... to that growth level.

    4. JS

      Mm.

    5. KK

      And I'm really grateful for those experiences 'cause I definitely think that that's my purpose.

    6. JS

      Mm. What internal changes did you see in yourself that, that maybe you didn't see before when you started doing this work? Like-

    7. KK

      Yeah

    8. JS

      ... what, what did you have to grapple with internally? Was there anything that you had to break through inside?

    9. KK

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      Yeah, what were those things?

    11. KK

      I would say I always felt like I was a compassionate person and a caring person, and I always cared about people's feelings. But my level of empathy was at a completely different level when I started. I might have been way more judgmental, and I would think that someone that was behind bars, especially for a really lengthy or a serious crime, that they probably were absolutely guilty. I had no compassion. I was just really judgmental. And then when I started to hear about these cases and people's backstories and their histories and realized that so many people really didn't have the opportunities to be better and didn't know better, it really changed my whole life. And, like, my level of empathy is just so different than what it was years ago, and I think that's why I fight so hard for people to get second chances because people make really bad choices and really bad mistakes, some way, way worse than other people. But if you're never given the chance to change, that's really sad, especially if you make a really bad decision as a teenager, and then you're in your 40s and you're given no shot to change when you really already maybe have so much. It was really important to me to express that and help people that have made those changes.

    12. JS

      And I love how I'm, I'm assuming that when you do something like that in the outside space, it kind of applies to your whole life, where all of a sudden, you're so right, that I think we all, not even people behind bars, I think we all judge people-

    13. KK

      Yeah

    14. JS

      ... all the time.

    15. KK

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      And when you're almost doing it in such an extreme way and raising your empathy in such an extreme environment, you can now extend that and express that to so many more people-

    17. KK

      Yeah

    18. JS

      ... because you've had to do it in a way where you were like, "Oh, definitely that person deserves it."

    19. KK

      Yeah.

    20. JS

      And all of a sudden you start realizing maybe they didn't deserve that.

    21. KK

      Yeah.

    22. JS

      And so maybe we don't deserve this. I think, you know-

    23. KK

      But in all levels of life of judgment.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. KK

      I used to judge people and, like, their relationships and how people lived their lives, and now I'm like, whatever makes you happy.

    26. JS

      Mm.

    27. KK

      Why should we judge? Who are we to say how people should live their lives?

    28. JS

      Mm.

    29. KK

      My, my judgment is just, I don't know if it comes with age or experience or just going through so many things, but just be happy, you know? Isn't that what life is about? Experiences, making people feel heard and seen and appreciated, and just having gratitude for the things in life that we're so blessed to have and work for, and if we're surrounded by the people we love, we are... That's real success.

    30. JS

      Yeah.

  12. 36:32 – 38:56

    Kids can ask difficult questions and this is how you can be more open to them

    1. KK

      Yeah.

    2. JS

      And you could see the look on her face, like she was judging herself so harshly for something-

    3. KK

      Yeah

    4. JS

      ... so small.

    5. KK

      Yeah.

    6. JS

      And I guess when you see people judge themselves, then how do you, how do you respond to that or how do you support them?

    7. KK

      Honestly, I really haven't experienced that much

    8. JS

      Hmm. That's fantastic.

    9. KK

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      That's amazing. And I, and I love hearing that because I think it is so true that you can curate and create a community around you-

    11. KK

      Mm-hmm

    12. JS

      ... that has similar values.

    13. KK

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      And then almost [laughs] you don't even-

    15. KK

      I see a lot of, like, determination-

    16. JS

      Yeah

    17. KK

      ... and a lot of, like, creativity, a lot of hard work.

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. KK

      Like, if I were to go on vacation with my girlfriends, we'd all be getting up probably at 6:00 AM, all wanna go on a workout. I don't think there's that one girl that would be like, "I'm sleeping till 10:00 and I'm not working out," you know? So I think that obviously everyone around you is different and has different personalities, but I think a lot of my core friends are really like-minded.

    20. JS

      Mm. Yeah, and sometimes that positive, positive peer pressure can be really healthy, too. Like-

    21. KK

      Yeah

    22. JS

      ... even if you have that one friend who's struggling, as soon as you're added to that group-

    23. KK

      Totally

    24. JS

      ... you see them elevate. I've seen that with so many of my friends that-

    25. KK

      Totally

    26. JS

      ... even if there's one person who's struggling with something, as soon as they're in that pack-

    27. KK

      Mm-hmm, yeah

    28. JS

      ... all of a sudden you start to see them break through their ceiling.

    29. KK

      Yeah.

    30. JS

      And, and it changes for them.

  13. 38:56 – 40:54

    The journey of personal growth through helping other people

    1. KK

      things, that if you don't stop and think about what someone's true values and morals are and how they wanna live their life, so much other things are going on. So I don't blame people that don't really stop and think about those things. I mean, those are some of the lessons that I would teach my kids when they're looking for friends and partners and relationships.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. KK

      Yeah. You can't really force things upon other people. You can't expect them to be where you're at at your level. And sometimes that can really coexist really well, but then sometimes it really can't.

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. KK

      You have to let go of the idea of molding people into what you want. Think about if there's something about yourself that you really wanna change. The expectations of going into something and thinking you're gonna get a different result or thinking you have the power to change someone is so selfish and so crazy, and everyone does it. And everyone has to learn on their own, and that's something that I've always, like, sat back, helped friends, given them advice, but never really pushed because even if I were to say, "Hey, don't walk down that path. Trust me, I've been there. You don't wanna go there," and they say, "Okay," and they follow you and they go on a different path, they'll never learn that lesson. They have no clue what I'm talking about. You know? I could say parenting stuff to you all day long. With all due respect, you have no clue until you've been through it.

    6. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. KK

      I welcome people's journeys and their lessons, and I'll always be there to the people that I love to help them through that-

    8. JS

      Mm

    9. KK

      ... but they gotta go through that in order to grow on their own.

    10. JS

      What's the biggest lesson you learned from your mom that you're trying to pass on to the kids?

    11. KK

      I think just how she makes people feel.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. KK

      Really heard and welcomed. She really is the most warm welcoming person, and it's just, like, her overall ... It seems superficial, but it's not. Like, her party planning

  14. 40:54 – 44:12

    Kim explains that we all make mistakes and the second chance we get makes a huge difference

    1. KK

      skills. It's not even that. It's just the welcoming-ness of ... I don't even know if these are words I'm saying.

    2. JS

      [laughs]

    3. KK

      But, like, just her ability to be so warm and to make everyone feel like they were invited here. I'm gonna create this, like, special Easter dinner with, like, the things on the table, you know, that she had when we were growing up at my dad's house. Like, she just has all this, like, really special nostalgic stuff around all the time and always tries to make everyone feel so special, but with, like, a gathering so that everyone feels comfortable and can hang around. Like, she just loves people in her space-

    4. JS

      Mm

    5. KK

      ... and loves to create these memories, and I think that we all got that from her and we will all ... If I can just pass that on to my kids, just the, the experiences that we have as a family, whether we're just sitting in our pajamas and hanging out, we make the time to be together, and I hope that my kids wanna make the time to be together when they grow up with their cousins and their aunts and just the whole family.

    6. JS

      I'm sure they will.

    7. KK

      Yeah, I think they will too.

    8. JS

      I'm sure they will. Yeah. I think, I think you've managed to hold onto it in your entire generation, and so-

    9. KK

      Yeah

    10. JS

      ... they see that. I think kids mirror so much of-

    11. KK

      Yeah

    12. JS

      ... what they see around them. And I remember when I met my wife, her grandma is her favorite human on the planet, and it's really interesting how when someone you love, you know who their favorite human is.

    13. KK

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      You automatically start loving them.

    15. KK

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      And I wasn't really close to my grandparents, but I'm closer to Radhi's grandpar- like, grandma-

    17. KK

      Yeah

    18. JS

      ... than I am to my own grandparents because-

    19. KK

      That's so cute

    20. JS

      ... you see your love for-

    21. KK

      Yeah

    22. JS

      ... the person that you love. And so I think when your kids see the love that you have for your sisters and your cousins and your aunts and uncles and parents-

    23. KK

      Now, if only all my kids can love their siblings, that would be amazing.

    24. JS

      [laughs]

    25. KK

      They're in a fighting phase.

    26. JS

      Yeah.

    27. KK

      Yeah.

    28. JS

      Did you ... And you guys went through that phase, I'm sure.

    29. KK

      We went through it too.

    30. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

  15. 44:12 – 47:03

    “I’ve never been hard on myself, but I am competitive with myself.”

    1. KK

      will text each other and be like in tears, literally locking ourselves [laughs] in the room, like away from a kid having a tantrum when that's not what you should do. You should go and lean into them and, but sometimes it's so overwhelming. That was probably the only time I'd be hard on myself is, am I a good mom? I try to do everything. And I think how to balance work with that is when you're home being really present.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. KK

      Kids, all they want is time.

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. KK

      They just want your time.

    6. JS

      Yeah.

    7. KK

      You can give them all these amazing big experiences, and they'll remember them and they're great, but they'll always remember you being present.

    8. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    9. KK

      And I think that's just the most important thing in all of your relationships. Think about what a kid wants. A kid just wants your time, so why wouldn't everyone else? You have to kind of treat everyone like that if you want these like meaningful relationships in your life.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. KK

      And you have to be present, and it's okay to feel like you are not 100% at being the best mom. I say this all the time. We- there's no manual. They do not come with a manual. Everyone's doing the best that they can, and I just feel so lucky that I have a good group of girlfriends, and all of our kids are experiencing different things from ... I mean, imagine all the things that they ... A divorce, everything that they have to go through. We're okay. They will be okay. And they will feel the love and support, and that's all you can do. It'll be okay.

    12. JS

      And I'm sure that's hard for you because you were saying that you're so competitive with yourself-

    13. KK

      Yeah

    14. JS

      ... you want to be the best at everything.

    15. KK

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      But I feel like being the best mom must be the hardest-

    17. KK

      Hardest job in the world

    18. JS

      ... thing to ever live up to.

    19. KK

      Absolutely. And I'm very confident ... So every year I write each one of my kids about a four or five page letter about, on their birthday, about what the year was like, who their friends are, silly words they're saying, their favorite foods, all the silly things that they do, and a little journey of what the year is like, and it's so fun to see from the first year now, you know, one of them almost 10 years old, and just to ... I know that they'll appreciate this. I know that they'll appreciate everything that they might have thought I was being a little harsh on, me protecting them. I know that they'll, they'll get it-

    20. JS

      Mm

    21. KK

      ... 'cause I got it with my mom.

    22. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. KK

      And I know they'll get it with me.

    24. JS

      You've reminded me of something beautiful that I wanna share that ... So my mom and dad were both immigrants in London, which is where I was born and raised, and both my parents worked ever since I was a kid. And so I'd get dropped to daycare, get picked up in the evening. But what I remember is something you said. My mom would come and pick me up, and I still remember the look on her face when she'd pick me up. She'd have this big

  16. 47:03 – 52:08

    How can positive peer pressure help you?

    1. JS

      smile. She'd give me the biggest hug. She'd take me home, and we'd sit down together while she was cooking, and we'd just talk to each other. And it's almost like I never had a lot of time with my parents growing up, but I felt so much presence.

    2. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JS

      And I honestly believe-

    4. KK

      Mm-hmm

    5. JS

      ... today that I have so much love to give because my mom infused me with love.

    6. KK

      Yeah.

    7. JS

      Like, my mom just like-

    8. KK

      Yeah

    9. JS

      ... you know, bathed me in so much love-

    10. KK

      Totally

    11. JS

      ... that it's, it's so easy for me to be loving because I've always had infinite amounts of it from my mom.

    12. KK

      That's the best.

    13. JS

      Yeah.

    14. KK

      I couldn't imagine. I love on my kids so hard.

    15. JS

      [laughs]

    16. KK

      They are so annoyed with me, and I love it.

    17. JS

      What I find genuinely inspiring about you and the way you think and focus is that you wanna be this incredible mom, but you also wanna show the kids what a passionate, purpose-

    18. KK

      Mm-hmm

    19. JS

      ... driven person looks like.

    20. KK

      Yeah.

    21. JS

      And I think we forget that that's also parenting. Like, I'm not a parent, but I can honestly say it that when I saw my mom working late at night and waking up early in the morning, I look back at my mom and I think my mom is a superwoman.

    22. KK

      Yeah.

    23. JS

      And I look back at that as inspiration.

    24. KK

      I hope my kids think that of me one day.

    25. JS

      [laughs] They will. They will because they'll see that. And I think same with my dad, like I saw my dad and how much he had to work and-

    26. KK

      Yeah

    27. JS

      ... and, and there was something powerful about that.

    28. KK

      I think I always like to show them, like I drop my kids off at school, and then I have two or three hours of, of law school. So I gotta go. I'm on time because I have my school, and they have been on the journey with me. They saw me take the bar exam. They saw me open my results and not pass multiple times. They saw me open up the results and pass, and I was crying, and they felt my hard work and it paid off. I wanna show them that finding a passion and working to me is something I love to do. And there's so much joy in that for me, and I want them to feel that positive experience, and I, I encourage that from them. Like, I wanna just show them as many positive experiences as I can and show them that, you know, you can work hard and you can love it, and I just try to live my life and be a good example for them

    29. JS

      I think it comes through. And I, and I do believe that. Like, when I look back at my parents, all I can do is appreciate my mom.

    30. KK

      Yeah.

  17. 52:08 – 54:41

    The warm welcoming presence always makes people comfortable and welcome

    1. KK

      and I would just focus on that.

    2. JS

      That's such a heartfelt answer. I love that.

    3. KK

      Yeah.

    4. JS

      That's, that's beautiful. I'm, I'm glad, I'm glad I asked you. It's like ... Yeah, I just feel like it's really interesting. I was having a conversation last night with a, j- m- with the mutual friends of ours, uh, Scooter Braun and-

    5. KK

      Oh, yeah

    6. JS

      ... we were together last night and we were talking about this idea about how we often think that our experiences make us who we are, or is it that you are just gonna be who you are anyway because that's who you were meant to be?

    7. KK

      I think it's both.

    8. JS

      Yeah.

    9. KK

      Think about it. You can be the most talented person, but if you don't have that determination and drive, then what will become of it?

    10. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. KK

      You know? It's not just gonna magically happen because you're talented.

    12. JS

      Of course.

    13. KK

      So I think so much of it is the effort and what you do with that and figuring that out and who you are and what you wanna put out in the world.

    14. JS

      I guess my point is that I think you have that energy of wanting to be the best, of wanting to do things really well, of wanting to do things with that quality, and whatever you ended up doing with it-

    15. KK

      Yeah

    16. JS

      ... it would have been that, and it is that already.

    17. KK

      And I think in life-

    18. JS

      I mean, you're doing that anyway

    19. KK

      ... you have to, no matter ... Even if this isn't the job that you want, no matter what it is that you're doing, you have to be fully your best. You have to put in 200%. You have no idea who's paying attention. You're at that place exactly what, where you're supposed to be at that time. There's nothing worse than someone that doesn't wanna give it their all, no matter what it is.

    20. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. KK

      And it could be s- ... That's like, you know, business advice that I heard that always stuck with me and always was ... Even when I was working at a clothing store, I was so happy to be there.

    22. JS

      Organizing.

    23. KK

      I did my ... Yeah, I did my absolute best that I could selling everything and steaming everything and hanging everything, and I think those experiences just show you what you wanna do in your life, show other people really what you're made of. I'm just like a, I'm a really competitive person, so no matter what it is that I'm doing, I wanna be the best at that. I wanna learn everything about it, and I'm just a super curious person.

    24. JS

      Beautiful. Uh, question number four, seeing as we've been talking about values: what's something that you used to value that you no longer feel you value anymore?

    25. KK

      Definitely material designer things. I used to value, I mean, stuff. I live in an area where there would be fires a

  18. 54:41 – 1:00:10

    When you feel like you’re the worst mom, how do you cope?

    1. KK

      lot, and there was probably four times we had to fully pack up the house, everything out, houses catching on fire, property caught on fire, like really close to losing everything. First time, packed up my entire shoe and bag closet, and a lot of them 'cause they were memory stuff from my dad, stuff from high school, but all designer stuff also. Videos, photos, whatever. Digitized everything, put everything important somewhere else. Second, pack up the designer stuff, but leave some, leave some of the clothes. You know, I don't really need all the clothes. But I packed a hotel for months, bags and ba- every designer thing that I had had to come. Third time, leave all the bags and shoes. I don't, I don't need them. We got all the, we got all the photos. We got all the, my little blankie when I was little, you know, the kids' stuff. Fourth time, leave everything. Me and my babies, that's all I need. You know? I have all my photos digitized. I have everything digital. We got our passports. We're good.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. KK

      And that, like, evolution of, like, they had to go in and get all my designer stuff, or I'm not leaving my house, you know, it's gonna catch on fire.

    4. JS

      Yeah.

    5. KK

      And now I'm like, nothing is worth it. Nothing is important. And I think that comes from life experiences, scary experiences, things shaking you to your core to make you realize that nothing is important. You can't-- I know everyone says this, but, like, you can't take it with you. None of it is important.

    6. JS

      Yeah. There's a beautiful Islamic proverb that says, "Detachment doesn't mean that you own nothing. It means that nothing owns you."

    7. KK

      Mm.

    8. JS

      And I feel so often we become owned by our-

    9. KK

      I love that

    10. JS

      ... dreams, our desires, our pursuits, our things.

    11. KK

      Yeah.

    12. JS

      It doesn't mean that we have to give them all away or we don't have those things. It's just-

    13. KK

      Yeah

    14. JS

      ... if and when we have to let go-

    15. KK

      Totally

    16. JS

      ... are we willing, are we able to let go?

    17. KK

      Totally. Even with work stuff. I mean, it doesn't just have to be the material things.

    18. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    19. KK

      Like you said, like, your dreams, and it's okay to be able to let go, but work so hard to, like, the opposites are okay.

    20. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. KK

      Contradicting yourself a little bit in those ways.

    22. JS

      Yeah.

    23. KK

      You know, it's like in, in relationships, you can love a person, miss a person so much, but still have the wisdom to know they're not your person and you're better off not together. That, like, opposite connection with everything, I think, is really important to have that awareness in everything in life, relationships, material things, all of that.

    24. JS

      Yeah, I, I, I, I officiated a wedding a few years ago and someone came up to me from the audience and, and said to me, "Jay, I realized from what you were saying that" they'd just gone through a breakup recently, and they were saying, "Jay, I realized that I love that person, but we didn't like each other anymore."

    25. KK

      Mm.

    26. JS

      And it was that essence of, like, there'll always be that deep love for each other-

    27. KK

      Yeah

    28. JS

      ... but we just don't, like-

    29. KK

      Like family.

    30. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

  19. 1:00:10 – 1:01:34

    Living a good life and being the best example for your kids

    1. JS

      people try to find people when they're not at peace, hoping that someone else will put their pieces back together.

    2. KK

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JS

      You are at peace. Do you ever feel like you want to be in love again? Do you, do you long for that? Or, or are you so at peace that that isn't a consideration?

    4. KK

      I think I'll always be a hopeless romantic and always want to be in love and definitely love sharing my life with someone and love creating a life with someone. I definitely will take my time, and I think there's so many factors, especially when you have kids, and being mindful of people that enter y- in your life, and if I can look at everything that I did wrong and try to not make the same mistakes and really take my time, I think it just has to be different for me. You know, it's obviously such a hard place to be in 'cause How do you go about? Who do you ... You know, it's like so, there's so many factors. But I'll always believe in love and I'll always want that, and I think that's such a magical part of life. But I think I'm so comfortable taking my time to not rush it. There's so much going on that I'm not lonely.

    5. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    6. KK

      And I think that that

  20. 1:01:34 – 1:03:25

    Kim on Final Five

    1. KK

      is really important. And I believe, like I always believe, you know? And I think that, um, whatever's meant to be will be.

    2. JS

      Fifth and final question of the whole interview: if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

    3. KK

      Hmm. That's-

    4. JS

      Take your time

    5. KK

      ... that's a good one. Just second chances and fairness. I think it could be something as simple as just whether it's in our system or judgment in life, just making sure that everyone had, like, a basic human right to what's fair, I think would change a lot in the system.

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. KK

      Would change a lot in life. And a law for everyone to be kind. It's that simple. You think about, like, all I wanna do is raise kind, thoughtful, grateful, mindful human beings.

    8. JS

      Kim, thank you for being so open, so honest, so generous with your time. Everyone who's been listening and watching-

    9. KK

      Of course

    10. JS

      ... I hope you tag us both on Instagram, on TikTok, wherever you share your insights that you gained. I'd love to see what you took away from this podcast. I'd love to share that with both of us. Uh, thank you for listening to On Purpose. I'll see you again next week. And Kim, thank you so much again for this energy of yours today and-

    11. KK

      Of course

    12. JS

      ... being so present with us. Thank you.

    13. KK

      Thank you for having me.

    14. JS

      Thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

    15. JS

      My fears are only going to continue to show me what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I just wanna keep doing that

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