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85 min read · 16,711 words- 0:00 – 10:04
Intro
- LHLewis Howes
There was a moment where I was feeling this pain in my chest, kind of on and off, and I was telling you about this and other people. I was like, "Man, I just feel like this pain, and I feel like a clenching, like I can't..." Like, I don't know, something was holding me back. That was the fear, and I think when we can fully embrace it and say, "This might happen, and I may not like it," but by stepping into the fear, I literally felt the ball of pain in my chest unlock and, like, disintegrate throughout my whole body. The best-selling author and host.
- JSJay Shetty
The number one health and wellness podcast.
- LHLewis Howes
On Purpose with Jay Shetty.
- JSJay Shetty
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Now, today's guest is a dear, dear friend of mine, and what I love about having him on the show is you love it. Whenever we do something together, we get incredible feedback. I get the most texts ever. I get so many DMs from all of you because you love seeing us connect, uh, because he's someone who's happy to be vulnerable about his own challenges and journey. He's done that plenty of times on this show. But today, he's here to talk about something that he's been really thinking about and working on for the next five years. So I want all of you to show your support for this incredible human, but also this amazing book that he's written. I want everyone to go and order it right now. Uh, the link is in the notes and the captions. Uh, I'm talking about my dear friend Lewis Howes, who's a New York Times best-selling author, keynote speaker, and industry-leading show host of the School of Greatness podcast, which is one of the top podcasts in the world with over 500 million downloads. Lewis was recognized by the White House and President Obama as one of the top 100 entrepreneurs in the country under 30, and his new book is right here. It's called The Greatness Mindset: Unlock the Power of Your Mind and Live Your Best Life Today. This is the book that I want you to go and grab. Please welcome to the show my dear friend and brother Lewis Howes. Lewis.
- LHLewis Howes
My man. Thanks, Jay.
- JSJay Shetty
Good to see you, brother.
- LHLewis Howes
Good to see you, brother.
- JSJay Shetty
Ah, this is exciting, man. It's like, you know, this is five years in the making. Like, for you to... You've had a podcast now for nearly 10 years. I saw that announcement.
- LHLewis Howes
In two weeks it'll be my 10-year anniversary.
- JSJay Shetty
That's insane. Congratulations.
- LHLewis Howes
Thank you.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, what a, what a history and-
- LHLewis Howes
Thank you
- JSJay Shetty
... legacy of service and, like, how many interviews now is that?
- LHLewis Howes
Oh, man, over... Almost 1,400 episodes.
- JSJay Shetty
That's insane, right?
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
1,400 episodes over 10 years. Unbelievable legacy. You wrote your first book, The School of Greatness, your second book, Mask of Masculinity.
- LHLewis Howes
Yep.
- JSJay Shetty
On the release of that book was when we became friends.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, the day it came out, I went on your show, uh, at Nasdaq.
- JSJay Shetty
At Nasdaq, yeah. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
In New York City. I just started hearing about you maybe a few months before, and then you'd reached out, and I saw a couple of your videos, and I was like, "I really like your style." And when we met, I was like, "Let's just hang out all day."
- JSJay Shetty
I know. It was amazing. I didn't expect that, because I was doing... Yeah, so for anyone who doesn't know, I used to have a show on Nasdaq Reads which was called Follow the Reader, and I would try and sit down with authors and talk to them, and I was thankful enough, that's where I met Ryan Holiday, and it's where I met, uh, a couple of other people in the space. And I'd reached out to you because I'd always loved your work, and usually an author would come in, you'd do the interview, you'd promote the book, and then they'd leave, and this was the day your book came out, and you were like, "Well, why don't we just spend the whole day together?"
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs] Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
So yeah, like, we're in a coffee shop together.
- LHLewis Howes
It's amazing, man.
- JSJay Shetty
We're in a Barnes & Noble together.
- LHLewis Howes
It was so fun.
- JSJay Shetty
And that was the beginning of our friendship.
- 10:04 – 14:46
This is how it felt growing up in a family with financial limitations.
- LHLewis Howes
you really were able to work your way through that. What was the thing inside of you that allowed you to unblock the financial fear that you had?
- JSJay Shetty
It's exactly that, right? Like, I had grown up in a family where the language around money and the psychology around money was we have just enough.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
And generally people who have money have done something bad to get money, so it's been, like, negative ways or, like, manipulative ways or they must have done something shady in order to have wealth.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And so people who are good don't have access to that kind of wealth because they're not shady people. And so I think when I grew up with that, I remember many days having zero in my bank account, you know, just living off of the last amount of money I had to pay off a bill or whatever it may have been. And I think what it really hit me as time went on was I was having all this impact. Like, at one point, I still remember this, I had 150 million views and I was four months away from being broke.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs] That's crazy, man.
- JSJay Shetty
And, and I was just like, "I can't make the stuff I care about anymore because I don't have money." Like, I can't... Videos cost money to make. Like this, I always say to people, like, this podcast, this studio costs money to have. Like, it costs money to have teams and, you know, right now we have producers behind the scenes and editors and, and podcast leads, and there's a whole team of people that make things possible. And when you're financially scarce, and I don't mean that in terms of how much money you have, but in your mind, when there's a scarcity around money or anything, scarcity around love- Or scarcity around energy, or scarcity around health.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
It, it just limits you. And so for me, what you just went through, I had to rewire my relationship with money.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And we have a relationship with people, we have a relationship with money, we have a relationship with our body, we have a relationship with our mind, and-
- LHLewis Howes
Exactly
- JSJay Shetty
... and so to me, it was that.
- LHLewis Howes
I'm, I'm curious then, what was the... I wanna tell the st-
- JSJay Shetty
Dude, this is not your interview, Lewis.
- LHLewis Howes
I know. I wanna g- I wanna t-
- JSJay Shetty
This is what you always do
- LHLewis Howes
... I wanna t- I wanna tie it into-
- JSJay Shetty
I know you're an interviewer, but-
- LHLewis Howes
I wanna tie it into bringing it back to me.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
I get it. But I wanna tell the story of the exact moment when the block went away from me from having fear around being trapped in intimacy-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... after a five-month journey of, like, intensive therapy and what it did for me. I wanna share that story in a moment, but I'm curious, what was the moment? Was there a moment where something, like, you're unlocking your heart, your body, your mind, your spirit, where you're like, "Oh, I'm deserving of money. I'm deserving of making more," or having abundance or whatever it might have been, and being free of that feeling. Was there a moment for you?
- JSJay Shetty
I mean, I think I'm still getting there as well. There's a part of it where you're always still rewiring, because when something's so deep-rooted, it kind of, like, never, like, just leaves. But w- I'd say that I got more comfortable with it. That's a great question. When was that moment, if I could-
- LHLewis Howes
Like, was there a breakthrough?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Was it in a negotiation for a, a, a speaking gig where you're like, "Oh, I'm used to only making this much, but let me ask for more," or-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- 14:46 – 19:30
When you finally find the courage to work on yourself, you become more authentic.
- LHLewis Howes
So what had happened for me, um, I was kind of just like, "I'm sick of feeling this pain, this stuckness, this breakdown pattern" that I'd continued to repeat and that I was fully responsible for in choosing certain relationships out of integrity and out of alignment of values and all these different things, and then staying. And I, I was finally like, "Okay, I need to find a solution to this pain." And so I, I found a coach that does a lot of therapy and healing work, and I just said, "I'm going to invest in six months. I'm gonna pay in advance, and I'm gonna commit to my intention of finding the solution, and I'm gonna do the work." And I think that's step one, is being, like, clear of your intention that you want to find a solution to whatever's causing you any type of pain or stuckness in any area of your life. Then I went all in on just being as real and authentic and vulnerable as possible. And I remember there was a weekend after about three and a half, maybe four months, where I went away, and I was not with, um, my partner at the time, but I was with a different group of friends. And I felt free in this weekend, and I felt seen and accepted for who I was. I felt celebrated for who I was. And I wasn't really feeling that in the relationship, and I remember being like, "Man, this is the type of life I wanna experience consistently, where I can be myself authentically around the people I care about, and I'm accepted." But I wasn't feeling accepted in this relationship, and it's because I was willing to abandon myself over and over to try to create peace. I was trying to buy peace. And you can't buy peace. You've gotta own it. You've gotta become it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Mm, wow.
- LHLewis Howes
And the, my coach, after many, many months of this, in kind of unpacking a lot of different things and doing exercises with her and reflection and all these different things, there was a moment where I was feeling this pain in my chest kind of on and off. And I was telling you about this and other people. I was like, "Man, I just feel, like, this pain and feel like a clenching, like I can't..." Like, I don't know, something was holding me back. And she'd said something that finally clicked. She was like, "Lewis, you're not trapped. You're free. You can walk away at any time. You're not stuck in this relationship. Specifically now, you're not engaged, you're not married, you got no kids, but you are free. You can choose to walk away at any time." And I always was afraid of walking away, 'cause I didn't wanna hurt one person, and I didn't want that one person that I cared about to not love me, to not like me, to hate me, to whatever. That was the fear. And I think when we can fully embrace it and say, "This might happen, and I may not like it, but if that's the price I need to pay to create peace in my life by stepping into the fear, by owning the fear, by accepting that it will happen potentially," something happened in that moment. I can't remember if I told you this story, but it was like I literally felt the ball of pain in my chest kinda u- unlock and, like, disintegrate throughout my whole body. I've never felt this sensation before. And from that moment on, I was really kind of like weirded out when I was talking to the therapist. I was like, "Something just happened" [laughs] . I was like, "Something just happened." It was kind of like months of practice, months of reflection, months of these exercises and working with this coaching, taking action and trying to integrate the lessons, and then finally, like unlocked in a moment. It was a lifetime of practice, but a moment that unlocked. And I haven't felt that pain-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- LHLewis Howes
... or fear of being trapped or being stuck or being not enough or needing to abandon myself to please anyone else since then. It doesn't mean I haven't had some like, you know, challenges or stressful moments, but I haven't had that, and I'm so aware of it because I keep practicing and integrating the healing journey. And I think that's been the key for me is the ongoing integration of healing so that I can keep expanding, feeling happier, healthier, and healed like you talk about for this show. And I think that's what everyone wants, to feel happier, to feel healthier, and feel like they're on the healing journey.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, hearing you say that, you know, as your friend, I know how much time and energy you put into working on yourself.
- LHLewis Howes
Man.
- JSJay Shetty
I know that any conversation we have turns into a Q&A with both of us going back and forth.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
I know any conversation we have, you'll be talking about what work you're doing and who you're working with and who's in our teams to help us do that work. I'm talking about personal lives.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
What is the difference then, because I want to get into the greatness mindset, because you are teaching people how to unlock the power of their mind and live their best life today, which is what you've been doing professionally and now personally over the last few years.
- 19:30 – 23:21
What is the difference between motivation and discipline?
- JSJay Shetty
What is the difference between motivation and discipline? Because I find that a lot of the time people think like, "Oh, I'm so motivated by that, or I'm so inspired by that." But what you just explained is far more of a dedicated discipline-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... to the self work, the inner work. Talk to me about the difference between those two and, and where do we find them?
- LHLewis Howes
Mm-hmm. I think motivation is for people that don't have a meaningful mission. Discipline is for people that are clear on their identity of who they want to become and the mission that they have that is meaningful for them. Not only for them, but for those around them. And you know, when I was growing up, when I was growing up, I wanted to be successful. That was kind of the goal and the mindset is, how can I become successful? How can I accomplish my goals as an athlete? How can I be a pro athlete? How can I make money? How can I get, you know, awards and all these different things? For whatever reason, that's what I thought of, is I wanted to be successful. When I, when I turned 30 and started realizing how big of an ego I actually had, and how selfish I actually was in life. And I was a fun-loving guy, but my intentions were more for me to look good, for me to win, for me to be successful, for me, me, me. And this is one of the reasons why I love you so much, because your mission is about service. I started to realize at 30 that success was selfish and greatness was really about service, right? Greatness was not about just me, it was about having an intention of a dream that I might have, but including others in the dream. Where success is more about accomplishing goals and dreams for just you, and not as much thinking about others. Maybe others are included, but the intention's really like, "How do I look good? How do I get this award and make this money and get this credibility?" And that's why 10 years ago, I said, "I have to completely shift my identity." And it was an unwinding of like 30 years of f- of programming. So I had to shift the identity from, okay... And I love that you always talk about collaboration over competition. I was all competition, right? And there's fun, there's healthy competition in like sports and things like that, but in the game of life, we've got to be collaborators. We've got to be thinking about we instead of me if we want to go far. If we want to go fast, that quote, you can, you can, um... What is the quote? "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together," or something like that.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And if you want to go fast, you can do it on your own quickly, but it won't take you far, and you typically burn out. Motivation, I believe, is for people that want only success. But discipline is when you shift your identity based on a meaningful mission. That's why I start the book with meaningful mission, because all the great people that we've interviewed who have health, happiness, and are healed, I think that's greatness. They have a meaningful mission that's beyond them.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
They have something more, and that is, uh, an identity that are, that has non-negotiables, where they're able to be disciplined because it's something bigger than them.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
Whereas success by itself needs constant motivation, right?
- JSJay Shetty
I love that you just shifted that desire of like selfish goals or like self-based goals-
- LHLewis Howes
Right
- JSJay Shetty
... to service, because that, for me, was the thing that switched when I met the monk, right? So I heard that at 18, and that was just, to my 18-year-old mind, it was like-
- LHLewis Howes
That was like, "What?"
- JSJay Shetty
... what? Like-
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
... wow, like no one's ever said that to me before, and I would never have learned it if it wasn't for meeting the monk. And you're saying you learned it at 30, or that's when you realized that after being successful to some degree that you'd achieved then.
- LHLewis Howes
Externally successful,
- 23:21 – 25:45
Lewis explains what role our inner emotional state plays in our success.
- LHLewis Howes
internally suffering.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Wow.
- LHLewis Howes
And, and no one wants to suffer. No one.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
It's interesting. I was just interviewing a guy before this today, and I said, "On a scale of one to 10 of your inner peace and self-love scale, 10 being you love yourself, you have a lot of inner peace, one being you hate yourself, no love, where are you?" He said, "I'm a five."
- JSJay Shetty
Wow.
- LHLewis Howes
And I said... And this is a guy with a massive company, extremely fit, shredded, like- ... people around him, but internally a five. And it goes back to what you talked about. I love the intro, which is hap- is it happy, healthy, and healed?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
Healing. Which is, I said, "Why do you think you're a five?" And he said, "I haven't dealt with the inner stuff. I've dealt with the mental side of discipline-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- LHLewis Howes
... and structure, and organization, and, and working hard and grinding, but the emotional side of healing your heart, I believe, is the game."
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
It doesn't matter how shredded you are, how wealthy you are, how successful you are, how many cars you have. If your inner emotional state is suffering, you are losing.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And when your inner emotional state is at peace and focused on service, it doesn't have to be changing the world, but service to the people in your life, that's when you are successful.
- JSJay Shetty
A lot of people, though, will say, "Well, Lewis, I don't have anything to serve with, so shouldn't I want success first and then I'll find service? Because I don't have my meaningful mission. I don't have any money. I don't have-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... access. I don't have a platform. Shouldn't I aim to get a platform first and then serve through it?" How, how do you think about that and-
- LHLewis Howes
I mean, you served for many years before you got your platform, you know? And then you built your platform after really kind of the figuring out who you were, your identity after leaving the, the monkhood, right? You started to figure out what did you want. And I think there's a, a period of time, a season of life, where we have to try a lot of different things and, and figure out what do we really love. What are our passions? Where are our talents lying with our power? And then what is the problem we're looking to solve? So it's the three Ps. And you can ask yourself, well, this-
- JSJay Shetty
So the three Ps are passion-
- LHLewis Howes
The passion, the power that you have-
- JSJay Shetty
Right
- LHLewis Howes
... and the problem you're looking to solve.
- JSJay Shetty
Love that.
- LHLewis Howes
So I give a lot of prompts and questions in the book around the three Ps, where you kind of figure out your sweet spot of
- 25:45 – 33:50
* The 3 P’s to help you figure out what you want to do with your life.
- LHLewis Howes
what could I be doing. So the passions are... And a lot of people say, like, I've heard a lot of people say, "Don't follow your passion." I don't agree with that. I think you should be thinking about what are you most curious about, what excites you. Whenever I ask people, "What are you most excited about in your life right now?" You mostly see people, like, look up in the sky and st- they're like, they take a deep breath and they get really excited and they're emotional about it. They're, like, joyful about it. You want to lean into that feeling and do those things and be in that playground of experiences.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
So I think you really want to be thinking about what is the things that I am most passionate about. And maybe it doesn't mean for a two to four-year window of life you're gonna be able to work on it, but you can still be working towards it.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
So figuring out what interests you. Uh, what would you do if money was no object? What would you just love to wake up and do in general, and what excites you?
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
Think about that. The second thing is, you know, when I was starting out, I didn't feel like I had any talents.
- JSJay Shetty
Same.
- LHLewis Howes
So I can relate to a lot of people. When you left the monkhood, you were like, "Well, what is this transferable skill in the workforce?"
- JSJay Shetty
Literally. That's literally how I felt.
- LHLewis Howes
You know?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And you said you got rejected by, like, 100 companies or something when you like-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, 40. Yeah, 40.
- LHLewis Howes
40 companies.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, 40 companies. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And it's like, I didn't think I had transferable skills. You didn't think you had. A lot of people probably don't think that way. And most people when they finish university or college, they don't use that degree five to 10 years later. They're moving on to different things eventually, right? So even if you got a degree in something, you probably won't use it in five to 10 years fully in that area. And so I think you gotta figure out what are the, how do I describe it? Kind of like invisible assets.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
Right? The invisible assets that you have acquired throughout your entire life that maybe you're not even aware of.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
For me, an invisible asset was curiosity. It's not like I have this tangible currency that I can, like, use, uh, to, to build an opportunity in my life, but it was an invisible currency, an invisible asset. I was so curious about other people. Another invisible asset, I was a pretty joyful human being.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And any time I entered a room, and everyone was always older than me and more talented and more successful, I just said, "I'm going to bring so much joy and curiosity." That doesn't seem like a transferable skill.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
People would be like, they just wanted to help me.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I was this 24-year-old punk that was just, like, entering these networking events and these social media conferences and these rooms around all these kind of thought leaders and, and really people that I was like, wow, they're like successful mentors of mine. And they're always like, "Hey, Lewis, why don't you come join us for dinner? Hey, that's pretty cool you're doing this. Let me help you here." And I brought curiosity and joy. I never talked about myself. I would just ask questions that I was fascinated by, and people loved to share these stories about themselves. That was a currency. That was an invisible asset that I brought to the table. So you gotta think about what are the powers that you have that maybe you don't think you have. And also, I'm a big fan of figuring out where you are most powerless and creating a list of all your fears.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
I call it the fear list.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah. I want to get into that.
- 33:50 – 36:37
How does discipline keep you organized and focused on your mission?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, and I love how you keep saying season of life because it's not like you've got to find your meaningful mission-
- LHLewis Howes
No, no
- JSJay Shetty
... for the rest of your entire life.
- LHLewis Howes
No, and I think that is too much pressure for people.
- JSJay Shetty
How long is a season? How, how, how long, how much time do you think people should think about it?
- LHLewis Howes
I mean, there's different types of seasons, and I look at it as sports.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
In sports, in a year-
- JSJay Shetty
You're an athlete, so
- LHLewis Howes
... in a year, there's four seasons in the year of fall, summer, spring, winter. In sports, there is a preseason, a season, a postseason, and the playoffs, right? There's kind of these four seasonal moments, and there's always time to reflect on, okay, I did this thing for nine months or a year. Do I still want to keep doing this thing, right? Take time to reflect. You take a month off every year to reflect. What worked?
- JSJay Shetty
And actually just came back from it.
- LHLewis Howes
You just came back.
- JSJay Shetty
It was amazing. [laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
And you look relaxed.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs] It was amazing.
- LHLewis Howes
Sometimes we're so in it all the time that we don't have the, the moment to reflect on, do I still, am I still excited about this? Is this still what I want to do? Do I feel like there's a new season coming for me? Like, I, am I shedding something and stepping into something that I'm ready for now? Just like this book, it wasn't the right season five years ago.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
I didn't feel like I was, had figured out what I needed to figure out internally to be authentically sharing the message that I have now, and I felt like it would've been a fake if it came out years ago. I knew the concepts, but I didn't know it inside of me.
- JSJay Shetty
How did you know? Like, that's a great point, right? Like, I feel like there's a lot of people listening. They want to launch a podcast. They want to write a book. They want to build a new idea inside their company. They want to take a new idea to their boss. They want to, they want to start something fresh and new in their area. They want to start a charity, right? Whatever it may be, and I think there's always that period of not feeling ready-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... and then doing it. And I feel like that's the part where most people are stuck, where, like, in their head, if you talk to them, and I'll talk to lots of people, they kind of know what the logo looks like, and they're kind of thinking about the website, or they kind of put a bit of the presentation for their boss together and they're thinking about it. But what's the difference or, or h- what is the right way to go about feeling ready? Or getting ready even when you don't feel it, right? Like, uh, because you didn't want to wait 10 years-
- LHLewis Howes
Exactly
- JSJay Shetty
... but you didn't want to wait five days.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
Right? Like how did you-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah. And obviously this is a book, so it's a bigger thing. It takes more time.
- LHLewis Howes
I think there's this concept that we've all heard that is like, uh, face it until you... Uh, what is it? No. Fake it till you make it.
- JSJay Shetty
Fake it till you make it. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Right? That's the concept. Fake it till you make it is what a lot of people hear, and I really started to think about I don't really like that.
- 36:37 – 39:44
What is the right way to get ready even when you don’t want to do it?
- LHLewis Howes
list of your fears, your fear list, then you face the fear until you embody and overcome that fear, until you embrace it, you embody it, and it doesn't have power over you anymore. And really for me it's, it's about having the perception of like it, it just kind of depends what you value in life. So many times for me I think about how much I could die at any moment.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
You know, I think that my life could be over at any moment. Will I be proud of who I am if I didn't launch this thing that's been inside of me for a while? I knew on this I didn't have the fear of writing a book, right? That wasn't a fear of mine, where a lot of people, they have a book f- idea for 10 or 20 years-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... and they just never launch the thing.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
That wasn't my fear. My fear was being like inauthentic-
- JSJay Shetty
Yes
- LHLewis Howes
... to who I was and, and being, I don't know, as a liar or just not feeling like, okay, something was off inside of me and I want to put something out there.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And so I knew, okay, I know this book is going to be my best work ever, but I don't feel like I'm the right messenger yet to put it out there.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
So what do I need to face-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm
- LHLewis Howes
... until I can embrace the person I want to be to be able to put this out there?
- JSJay Shetty
Got it. Got it.
- LHLewis Howes
And that to me was after two and a half years of researching this book and taking tons of notes and interviewing experts, and me being like, me checking in with me at the end of every year being like, "Why am I still talking about wanting to write this book, but not having the courage?" That's when the therapy and the coaching sessions and diving in deep into my wounds and the emotional traumas, I was like, I need to face this part of me that I'm still afraid of.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
That was a thing on my fear list that I had resisted for decades, and when I faced it and felt like, wow, I'm actually able to feel healing. I'm actually able to feel calm around this situation in my life. In other areas I felt calm, but not this situation.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
I'm actually been facing it consistently every week and doing the work emotionally, revealing myself, and exercising, and coaching, and getting feedback, and all that stuff. Then when I felt freedom internally, that's when I was able to create and launch.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. That's a great insight. I think a lot of us are hoping that our fear will just go away-
- LHLewis Howes
No
- JSJay Shetty
... or like you said, we just try and fake it, and then it doesn't feel right or it doesn't align with us. And really what you're saying is you have to face the fear. You ha- there's no other way.
- LHLewis Howes
No other way.
- JSJay Shetty
There's not like a different route or there's not a different-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... pathway. You have-
- LHLewis Howes
And you can't, and you can't out-analyze the fear.
- JSJay Shetty
Yes. Yes. Yes. Right.
- 39:44 – 43:53
Why do we always get stuck in the same pattern of familiarity?
- LHLewis Howes
wedding day, I knew it wasn't right."
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
Like, "I knew something was off," when like three, four, five years later they got divorced and you ask them, "Did you, did you ever think something was off?" They were like, "On my wedding day I had a feeling, but I was afraid. I was afraid to let people down. Everyone was already there. The invitations were sent. We had already put the down deposit down. I didn't want to ruffle feathers, and I thought maybe we'd just try to make it work." A lot of us have that fear of letting others down, and that's the thing that holds a lot of people back.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. And I love it in the book because you break down the four fears-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... that we all experience. So I want to go... I want to just give people a s- a-
- LHLewis Howes
Three main, three main fears.
- JSJay Shetty
Three main... Sorry.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Three main fears. Sorry. Three main fears.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. Failure, success, judgment. Sorry.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Three main fears. I want, I want to just touch on them because I think that these top three fears are, are really well articulated, and I, and I've experienced all of them, so I want to reflect on them myself-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... too. So I remember when I was thinking about, like you said, so I'd been doing what I do today, I've been doing it now for 17 years. Seven years online, 10 years offline, and the 10 years that it was offline, there were no followers, there was no courses, there was no business aspect to it. It was just service, and it was me learning and me sharing my passion with five to 10 people that would show up-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... or 50 people that would show up. And when I finally realized that I wanted it to reach more people, and that was a internal calling I had that I didn't want to live in a world where only five to 10 people had access to these ideas, because these ideas changed my life, and I felt, wait a minute, I met a monk. That's a very specific experience. Not everyone's gonna go through something like that, so how do we speed that experience up-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... for more people? I was scared of failure, because I was looking at-
- LHLewis Howes
Why were you scared of failure?
- JSJay Shetty
Because I was looking at social media, and I was looking at content, and I was looking at things people were doing, and I was scared about what my friends would say.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
I was scared about me uploading something, it not getting views, it getting criticism, or getting like people in the comment section saying, "Oh, this is trash," or whatever, and I was scared of failure. I was scared of no one's gonna care, no one's gonna watch, and it doesn't, and it's not gonna matter. And that probably lasted as I was researching, learning, and thinking for two years-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- JSJay Shetty
... where I felt like that before I actually-
- LHLewis Howes
You wanted to, but you didn't do it.
- JSJay Shetty
Exactly. I wanted to in my head, and often at those times, I find that's when you start becoming critical, too. So you're kind of looking at what everyone else is doing, and you're finding holes in it 'cause you think you could do it better, or you, you know, you get kind of like that. And you realize that's not how you wanna live either. And so I find often when we're the most inactive or stagnant, that's when we're the most critical or-
- LHLewis Howes
100%
- JSJay Shetty
... judgmental of others who are-
- 43:53 – 50:48
This is the reason why the fear of failure stops us from trying and doing our best.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
Like, every day in practice, you fail. You make a mistake. You give the wrong pass. You turn the ball over. You drop the ball. You miss the shot. So I would watch Michael Jordan fail 100 times a game but still win the game, you know? Or whatever it is, you know-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... it's like miss a ton of shots, and it was never like the worst thing. It was like, I don't want to fail in my sport. I want to be perfect in every play, but I know that this is the path towards success, and it's how I get feedback to get better. So failure was feedback. It was information telling me what I needed to do to improve, so I understand that concept. Success, I also did not understand why people were afraid of success, but as I started touring and speaking and asking people, "Who here is afraid of failure?" Most the room would, would ha- raise their hand at some point in their life, they're afraid of failure. And I'd say, "How many of you are afraid of success?" Thinking everyone wants this. So almost half the room would also raise their hand for success. And I go, "But this is the thing people want. So if you want something you're afraid of, why would it come to you?"
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
"Why would success come to you if you're afraid of it? Why would money come to you if you're afraid of it? Why would love come to you if you are afraid of it?"
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
So I never understood that concept. But as I started to talk to people and realize, oh, actually, I get it because the weight of gold can be so heavy for so many people. There's actually a documentary called Weight of Gold that is about Olympic gold medalists who go on to commit suicide afterwards, who go on to have-
- JSJay Shetty
Wow
- LHLewis Howes
... extreme depression-
- JSJay Shetty
Oh my gosh
- LHLewis Howes
... mental health challenges, lose friendships, go bankrupt, all this stuff. Because the pressure once you succeed to stay there, everyone expecting you to be a certain way, everyone expecting you to be perfect all the time, the perfect role model, everyone expecting you now to have money to just give to your friends and family and not knowing who really cares about you for you versus your success. So and also, it's just a weight that takes a lot of courage to be able to lean into and manage.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And I think it's a skill set to understand and manage success. But that's something I always wanted, so I was like, "Bring it on," you know? "I'll take it." The fear for me that has been my kryptonite over the years was judgment and the need for other people to like me, and specifically to matters of the heart and intimacy, and that's why I kept repeating the pattern. 'Cause I wasn't afraid to enter a relationship. You know, I wasn't afraid of that. I wasn't afraid of l- it doing well. I wanted it to do well, but I kept abandoning myself to try to please one person-
- JSJay Shetty
Mm
- LHLewis Howes
... to accept and love me. I was a f- s- terrified of the judgment, and that crippled me. It was a big, you know, kryptonite in my, my entire existence until a couple of years ago, and that's the thing. We've got to identify which one of these fears holds us back the most. And again, in the book, I talk about kind of the process of uncovering-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... and unpacking that so that you can have clarity and awareness. You talk about awareness is the key. Once you are aware and clear, then you can create a game plan on how to embrace it, overcome it, and, uh, make that fear and insecurity a superpower.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And I, and I truly think we're just gonna be, have something off inside of us, we're gonna be unfulfilled, we're gonna be frustrated, you know, disconnected until we figure out what that fear is for us, and figuring out how to fully accept ourselves. At the center of all th- these fears is I'm not enough.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
I'm not lovable enough. I'm not smart enough. I'm not good enough. I'm not talented enough. I'm not enough. And when we can finally get to a place where I say, "I am enough," I can go back to all the different periods of my life that I'm not proud of, that I'm ashamed of, that I'm insecure about, that, that I hurt people, that other people hurt me, that I haven't forgiven. If I can go back and reconnect with those broken elements of my, my mindset from the past and complete, create healing and wholeness, then I can accept and love myself today for where I'm at. And that's when everything changes.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm. Yeah. And, and I can so relate to all of those as you're talking about them. Like, I remember after I had my first viral video, I didn't wanna make any videos.
- LHLewis Howes
Really? Why?
- JSJay Shetty
Because, because you're scared of success. Like, you're scared of-
- LHLewis Howes
But weren't you excited?
- JSJay Shetty
... getting up-
- LHLewis Howes
You're like, "Oh, 50 million views."
- JSJay Shetty
You're, you're-
- LHLewis Howes
Like, all these people
- 50:48 – 58:39
The misconception about greatness that we don’t know about.
- LHLewis Howes
well."
- JSJay Shetty
No one's gonna [laughs] yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
You know?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, it's a hard-
- LHLewis Howes
You know what? At that time in 2018 or 2017, whenever that was, I was like, I don't know if men are ready to start talking about being vulnerable. It was kinda just, like, barely happening, right?
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, it was the early days.
- LHLewis Howes
And now-
- JSJay Shetty
It was early
- LHLewis Howes
... now everyone e- is talking about that. Uh, not everyone, but you see that a lot.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
But I remember being like, I could c- I really don't care if this sells a million copies or one. If it sells one and that man is impacted and he has a deeper relationship with himself where he heals, he has a deeper relationship with his wife or his partner and his family, he heals and mends some relationships, and he fi- and he finds more happiness, health, and he heals, then I was like, it's worth it. It's worth the two years of research. It's worth all the pain that I went through. It's worth the, the, the fear of opening up about sexual abuse that I f- was afraid of years before that, because I want another guy to feel the same way.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
And so I think when we go into it with, yes, we want things to do well, w- when we put effort and energy into launching a project, a business, a company, a book, a podcast, of course you want things to go well, but if you have the meaningful mission as the bedrock where you're just like, "It's about we. It's about us. It's about service. It's not about me getting more famous or building something, uh, more followers," that's when I think it's more sustainable energetically.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah. When, when people are sitting with that, and we kinda skip- not skipped over it, but we, we used it and moved forward, like, I think when I use the word purpose or when, when you're using the word meaningful mission, it's like, it can feel quite heavy for certain people-
- LHLewis Howes
Uh-huh
- JSJay Shetty
... 'cause they're like, "I don't care about..." Like, "There's nothing that I even care-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... about that much."
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, "I don't know," or, "I want to. I wish I cared about humanity or animals"-
- LHLewis Howes
Sure
- JSJay Shetty
... or whatever it may be that you care about.
- LHLewis Howes
You gotta know your season. When I was broke on my sister's couch, I couldn't think beyond getting off the couch.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm-hmm.
- LHLewis Howes
So I was like, my meaningful mission is to make enough money to live on my own.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
That's a-
- JSJay Shetty
I remember that. I remember that. Yeah, paying rent and paying groceries, like-
- LHLewis Howes
Right?
- JSJay Shetty
... was, was-
- 58:39 – 1:08:26
The more you become for others, the brighter your own path will be.
- LHLewis Howes
Right.
- JSJay Shetty
You don't just go, "Oh, I'll just use washing up liquid instead," right?
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
But if you're out of discipline, what we do is we go-
- LHLewis Howes
Go find some discipline, yeah, yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... yeah, go find some dis- go buy some discipline.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like what we do is we go, "Oh, I'll just watch Netflix then," right?
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And it doesn't solve the gap. Like if you're out of cereal at home, you don't just go, "Oh, I'll just eat like chips for breakfast."
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs] Right.
- JSJay Shetty
You, you go and buy cereal.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And so I look at my life in that way, like a grocery store, and I go, "What is it that I need in my life? Okay, maybe right now I need to become a better leader. Okay, maybe right now I need to become a better husband. Right now I need to become a better interviewer," whatever it may be.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And then I'll go and look for that. And it sounds like you do the same. How have you found the ability to, a couple of things. The first thing is find good classes and coaches and mentors.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Because I think a lot of people struggle with knowing like, do I trust this?
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Do I not? Good question for people to ask. And second part is, how do you commit and stay on top of it when naturally like it's easier to just sit at home and watch TV?
- LHLewis Howes
Two things.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
How do I commit and stay on top of it? I pay in advance.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah. [laughs] Right, that's a great way. Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
I pay advance.
- JSJay Shetty
'Cause yeah, yeah, yeah. You've already-
- LHLewis Howes
I pay my nutrition and fitness coach in advance.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.
- LHLewis Howes
I pay my, my therapist and emotional coach a year in advance, and we schedule it every two weeks for the year.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- 1:08:26 – 1:11:48
What are you looking forward to this year?
- LHLewis Howes
whisper in his ear, and hug him long, and say, "This was from Lewis."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs] 'Cause that's what I do with Jay.
- JSJay Shetty
I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna tell you, like-
- LHLewis Howes
I hold him so long-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, you hold me for so long
- LHLewis Howes
... and I whisper in his ear like, "I love you."
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
But, but there's a, there's a joy in that. Like, I love physical connection.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Like, I, I love the idea that I'm actually gonna... Like, you know, I, I feel so grateful that for six, seven years I've been doing this, I haven't met 99%-
- LHLewis Howes
I know
- JSJay Shetty
... of people. You probably feel the same way. And I just, like... I feel so grateful, and I wanna kind of like outpour all of that-
- LHLewis Howes
Mm
- JSJay Shetty
... on stage to everyone who's gonna be there because there's so much gratitude built up in me that I haven't been able to... Me saying it in a microphone doesn't do it justice. And traveling around and doing a hectic schedule and doing all this craziness is really an output-- It's totally from a gratitude point of view because-
- LHLewis Howes
Wow
- JSJay Shetty
... there's, there's nothing else to it of why you'd go on tour. So I'm excited for that. And then if I'm completely honest, I'm excited for rest, study, and creativity. I'm really looking forward into the next half of the year, where my plan is to go more internal and learn and study again and research and read more. I do that all the time, but I mean do it even in a more obsessive, constructive way.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
And, and spend more time just being creative and being present because I feel like I've been really going all out for, like, the last six, seven years now, and it's been so meaningful and powerful and beautiful. But at the same time, I'm conscious that to have the next seven years be even better than it's been, it's gonna require this pit stop.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
And my monk teacher would always say, "If you wanna go three steps forward, you have to go three steps deep."
- LHLewis Howes
Mm.
- JSJay Shetty
And so this is the time to go three steps deep in order to go three steps forward again. And so I feel after going all this forward that I've done, it's time to go deep again and, and I feel that internally. It's calling me.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
So...
- LHLewis Howes
Well, you're about to spend the next, what, three to six months going hard.
- JSJay Shetty
Hard and forward.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
And that's great, and I-
- 1:11:48 – 1:14:50
What does it truly mean “to live in the season that you have reached?”
- JSJay Shetty
we got used to it or we got familiar with it, and then years go by before you realize you needed an energy shift. And I think when you see people who are burnt out, lost, or confused, or feel like they wasted time, it's because they never realized that they stayed in the same energy state, uh, that they were in when they started. And you have to accept that time has changed and life has moved on and you've learned new things and you've gained new clarity. And so I think that will be the lesson. And letting go, I think, will be I want to do I feel like to get to this point, I had to do a lot of what I didn't love, and I think that that should always get less and less and less. So I think a healthy life isn't one where you only do what you love, but it's a life where you do less and less of what you don't love. And so I feel like my life's always moving in that direction, and I think in a year from now, I have all the clarity and all the opportunity to start afresh, as opposed to continuing to just exist in the world of repeating what's been done.
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
If that makes sense.
- LHLewis Howes
It's a good insight.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Your future self is wise.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. I- now I've gotta live up to it.
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs]
- JSJay Shetty
No, it's good you-- Well, this is a beautiful question. It's good you make me, make me vocalize it, and I hope everyone's getting to see how good Lewis is at what he does, and what he does for himself, too. No, the question like that's great 'cause it gives me something to live up to that I, that I aspire for, right? And it reminds me of that Matthew McConaughey speech-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, 10 years out
- JSJay Shetty
... which I love. I love that speech.
- LHLewis Howes
Chasing my hero 10 years away.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, it's the Oscar speech, if anyone doesn't know, Dallas Buyers Club. He won the Oscar for Best Actor, and he gives the, one of the best speeches of all time, in my opinion. And yeah, it's that idea of just, yeah, it gives you something to chase, which is yours. It's you. It's not chasing... Like, and I love that, right? Like, and I think the question you just asked is the question you're asking yourself, which is why your life is going in the right direction. Because the question isn't, where do you wanna be in a year? Like, what do you wanna achieve? Because that starts to, like, set, you know... There's, there's usefulness in that. I'm not saying it's not useful, but the internal question's far more gratifying. So-
- LHLewis Howes
Yeah, and it's a-
- JSJay Shetty
... you've given me something to chase and pursue.
- LHLewis Howes
It's awesome to have goals and dreams, but I think what's more important is focusing on the person you become on a consistent basis to create those dreams.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And also being so proud and at peace of who you've become, even if the dreams don't come true.
- JSJay Shetty
Mm.
- LHLewis Howes
And there's been a lot of things that I've chased after where the dreams didn't come true-
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah
- LHLewis Howes
... but the life was a dream come true. Who I got to meet-
- JSJay Shetty
So powerful
- LHLewis Howes
... who, what I got to experience, what I overcame, the lessons I learned, the, the, the memories I created. Certain didn't, dreams didn't come true, but it was a dream come true.
- JSJay Shetty
Totally. Totally.
- 1:14:50 – 1:18:31
Stop doing other things and start focusing on the person you are becoming.
- JSJay Shetty
And oh, I love that. I love that so much. That's such a, like, that's such a powerful statement. And, and it's so true. Like, I, I've, so I have so many projects that haven't worked out.
- LHLewis Howes
It didn't work out.
- JSJay Shetty
So many pitches. Even we went to some pitches together that you'd set up for me-
- LHLewis Howes
[laughs] Yeah
- JSJay Shetty
... that didn't work out. But the network I built through that relationship building, the connections I built-
- LHLewis Howes
Who you became
- JSJay Shetty
... who I became-
- LHLewis Howes
What you learned
- JSJay Shetty
... like the skills I had to learn, like...
- LHLewis Howes
There's so many, you know, there's, there was a lot of thing-- I'll give an example. There was a lot of goals that I accomplished as an athlete that I was extremely proud of, and I was like, "Man, I set an intention for this goal 10 years prior, and I made it happen." But there were certain goals, like I wanted to be an Olympic athlete, right? And for eight and a half years, I played with the USA National team, and I never made the Olympics, right? And I haven't played with the team for about three years, since, uh, right before the pandemic. And I can look back and say, "I spent eight and a half years of my life sacrificing, committing, dedicated, disciplined, traveling the world, spending time, money, energy, money and energy playing a game to represent the USA to try to make the Olympics," and I failed, and I failed it, and I fell short. Or I can look at it as, man, what a life journey and experience I got to have for eight and a half years. I have so many great friends, memories. I traveled the world wearing USA across my chest, getting to play against Olympians as a, you know, 35, 6, 7-year-old. I was like, I didn't accomplish the dream, but it was still a dream come true. And I think when we look back on things that didn't work out, but find the meaning and the memory and the magic in those experiences, it's still an incredibly beautiful life.
- JSJay Shetty
The meaning, the memory, and the magic. I love that. I love that. Because often we look for meaning, but you're so right, the memory and the magic. Lewis Howes, everyone. Lewis, that was, that was special, man.
- LHLewis Howes
Thanks, brother.
- JSJay Shetty
That was really beautiful.
- LHLewis Howes
Appreciate it, man.
- JSJay Shetty
I want everyone who's listening and watching right now to go and grab a copy of this book, The Greatness Mindset: Unlock the Power of Your Mind and Live Your Best Life Today. Uh, it's available right now. If you're listening to this episode, make sure you go grab it. Where would you like them to get it from, apart from obviously Barnes & Noble, Amazon?
- LHLewis Howes
Anywhere, yeah. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever. Yeah.
- JSJay Shetty
Perfect. Yeah. Make sure you go grab a copy. The audiobook as well-
- LHLewis Howes
Yes
- JSJay Shetty
... is in Lewis's voice.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes.
- JSJay Shetty
Lewis reads the audio.
- LHLewis Howes
Yes, yes.
- JSJay Shetty
So make sure you go and grab the audio if you like listening to books as well, because I know so many of you are audio listeners. Uh, and follow Lewis on YouTube. Subscribe to his podcast, The School of Greatness, and follow him on Instagram, on TikTok, on Twitter, on every single social media platform that you use. Uh, as you saw today, Lewis practices what he preaches, and also what he shares, uh, is highly life-changing. So make sure you go and grab it.
- LHLewis Howes
I appreciate it, man. And, and real quick, before you, you finish it.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah.
- LHLewis Howes
Uh, I appreciate you talking about the book, and I wanna give a call to action to people.
- JSJay Shetty
Yeah, please.
- LHLewis Howes
If you're going to buy my book, which I'm deeply grateful for, I want to see if you haven't bought Jay's book yet, make sure to buy both of ours at the same time.
- JSJay Shetty
[laughs]
- LHLewis Howes
Take a s- take a screenshot-
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