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Jay Shetty PodcastMelinda French Gates Gets Vulnerable About Her Divorce "I never thought I'd be 60 and single"
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Melinda French Gates on Change, Grace, Divorce, and Service
- Melinda French Gates says she embraces change thanks to her parents' encouragement, her early goal-setting course, and the service-minded nuns at her high school.
- She describes silence, gratitude, and a spiritual group of eight women she has met with since 2001 as central supports, including when she decided to speak publicly about contraceptives.
- She explains how she overcame imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and self-judgment through Brené Brown's work and by learning to embrace imperfection and pray for grace.
- She calls her divorce the hardest thing she has been through, saying she cried heavily and relied on faith, friends, and a therapist, and that she came to hold joy and sadness side by side.
- She argues the world was not built for everyone and says she wants women and people of color in positions of power, while also sharing how she raised her kids and her views on giving and success.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasChange can be met with curiosity rather than fear.
Melinda says her parents' example and their push for her to go out of state for college shaped her openness, and she asks what a new person or place might teach her.
Share goals only with a few trusted people.
She learned from the Successful Life course that critics will doubt you, while a small circle that has your back can help you reach your dream, and you become part of their circle in return.
Big decisions can take time and quiet reflection.
Before speaking out on contraceptives, she spent 10 to 12 months in silence, questioning her faith, reading Richard Rohr and Brené Brown, and talking with her family and a small group of female friends.
Embracing imperfection and ending judgment frees you from perfectionism.
She says she stopped judging herself and others, noticing that judgments about others often point back at herself, and now rarely gets the post-event self-criticism she once did.
Joy and sadness can coexist, and happiness returns.
Reflecting on her divorce, she says she once thought there were only joyful or sad moments, then learned to hold both, and that you will find happiness again even if you can't feel it in the moment.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesYou can hold joy and sadness side by side and realize that even when you're really sad, there's gonna be joy again. It might take 10 minutes, it might take 10 months, it might take 10 years, but there's joy and both exist.
— Melinda French Gates
You will find happiness again. You know, you can feel like... I had days where I thought, "I don't know if I'll ever be happy again." You will absolutely find happiness, and you'll find happiness in sometimes really unexpected ways or unexpected places.
— Melinda French Gates
I think sometimes we make the mistake in the world of thinking, you know, "I'll soldier on. I can do this alone." No. I mean, we can only really do things in community, and it takes community to feel held and secure and safe enough to move forward.
— Melinda French Gates
I also think the more I can humanize myself in front of other people, the more I take down the barrier between me and them, and we can see we are just humans, right?
— Melinda French Gates
I often think in the US we have our definition of success wrong. You know, we look at these people who've made it in industry or made X amount of money, but no, success is, like, think of that teacher.
— Melinda French Gates
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SPEAKERS
Melinda French Gates
guestPhilanthropist and former co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation focused on global health and women’s empowerment.
Jay Shetty
hostPodcast host and author known for content on purpose, mindfulness, and personal growth.
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