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Orlando Bloom's 3 Relationship Principles You Can Use TODAY: "Do I Feel Safe, Seen, and Celebrated?"

Today, let’s welcome the one and only Orlando Bloom. Orlando gained widespread fame for his roles in some of the most popular films including The Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Pirates of the Caribbean series.

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  1. 0:00 – 1:13

    Intro

    1. OB

      Some of the deepest fears I have are, like, related to a historical pattern of behavior or thinking, which I don't know that I was even conscious of

    2. SP

      He starred in some of the biggest movie franchises of all time.

    3. JS

      Please welcome Orlando Bloom. Orlando Bloom.

    4. OB

      I think that our deepest fears, they often lie in areas unknown to us. Because anything that I try to hold onto doesn't serve me, and that's really hard.

    5. JS

      Hey, everyone. I've got some huge news to share with you. In the last 90 days, 79.4% of our audience came from viewers and listeners that are not subscribed to this channel. There's research that shows that if you want to create a habit, make it easy to access. By hitting the Subscribe button, you're creating a habit of learning how to be happier, healthier, and more healed. This would also mean the absolute world to me and help us make better, bigger, brighter content for you and the world. Subscribe right now.

    6. SP

      The number one health and wellness podcast. Jay Shetty.

    7. SP

      Jay Shetty.

    8. SP

      The one, the only Jay Shetty.

    9. OB

      [laughs]

  2. 1:13 – 4:53

    Working On His New Show

    1. JS

      You know, you were saying you're new to the world of podcasting.

    2. OB

      Mm.

    3. JS

      But it seems to be something you're opening yourself up to. Where's that- where's that coming from?

    4. OB

      Well, first of all, I- I love what you do, so thank you for having me. It's so beautiful, um, to see- to see the messaging you put out in the world. To The Edge is, um, is the first time I've worked in a unscripted space, and I'm very proud of it. And I thought I'd try, you know ... Like, I, I haven't intentionally not done podcasts, I just haven't ... And I, and I've been wanting, as you said, to- to work with you for ages, so I was like, to at least sit down and have a conversation with you, and I, I tried to get to one of your, your, your s- your speaking engagements, which I wasn't able to. But it's like I just thought, "This is an opportunity to, like, have a heart-centric conversation," and I love the messaging you're putting out. And actually, you know, Edge is a show that came up, it was the- the birth child, the brainchild of a period of time that I think was really challenging in the world for everyone, you know, through COVID, where I think fear was sort of around all of us. We were all like, "Wait, what?" You know? "What, what are we- what are we living through? This is so unique." And I was, it was sort of palpable in, in my environment. And I'm not, I'm not comfortable with fear. I'm like, I'm always like, I run into it. I like, I like wanna transform it. I wanna like, I wanna ... You know, it's ... People say, "What are you afraid of," right? You know, you, "I'm m- be- oh, sharks." I'm like, "I'm afraid of fear," you know? [laughs]

    5. JS

      Mm.

    6. OB

      Because it's like I wanna confront anything in my life that feels challenging on those levels. So actually, initially, I would love to have spoken to you on my show. I had this idea where I would speak to people, you know, and also people, like, in blue zones and spaces in the world where people, like, have just got it figured. They've got it dialed, whether it's through diet, lifestyle choices, and all of the things that you speak about. It's like, I was like, "I wanna go and explore the people in the world that do that." And I've had this amazing opportunity with UNICEF for many years, 20 years now almost, and so I've sort of been in communities where I've seen how an impact, what a great impact positivity can have, right? Which I think is the message of UNICEF, also the funding that they support for communities. So I was like, "I wanna go and sort of talk to people," but we didn't really get ... [laughs] We got no hits. [laughs]

    7. JS

      [laughs]

    8. OB

      No- nobody was really interested in me doing that. And I think there's also a blue zone show that is- is-

    9. JS

      Yeah

    10. OB

      ... is apparently e- epic as well, so, um, so they went, "How about we just throw you out of a plane and, you know-

    11. JS

      [laughs]

    12. OB

      ... we'll see if you can swim to the bottom of the ocean and we'll throw you up a mountain." I was like, "I can do that." [laughs]

    13. JS

      [laughs]

    14. OB

      You know, it also feeds into my, um, sort of adrenaline sort of fueled sort of aspects of my life. I think, you know, as a kid, you know, I was, I- I think I just was so active-

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. OB

      ... and physical and sort of approached life with that fearlessness. And in some ways, you know, that was a blessing, but I came, definitely came out banged up and bruised.

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. OB

      I think I had a, I- I was diagnosed with dyslexia when I was, like, maybe nine, 10. So I had some extra schooling in that space, and that really helped me because I had, I had a kind of unusually high IQ, but I just was really challenged at focus and concentration. I think I was probably undiagnosed early on with, like, probably ADHD.

    19. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. OB

      Which I've subsequently [laughs] kinda come to realize that was definitely something that I've, um, I've been navigating, and now I've kind of found my way through to the sort of magic of what that-

    21. JS

      Mm-hmm

    22. OB

      ... can be for

  3. 4:53 – 6:55

    What’s Your Earliest Childhood Fear?

    1. OB

      me.

    2. JS

      Do you remember your earliest fear as a kid?

    3. OB

      It's funny because I'm an actor, but I used to just be terrified of getting on stage.

    4. JS

      No way.

    5. OB

      Um, I had real stage fright as a kid. I was, I was actually ... My mother enrolled me into a ballet class as a kid. So until, like, I think from probably a toddl- a tiny toddler until I was maybe four or five, and I think at around four we did this performance in Canterbury at the Marlowe Theatre, which is the biggest theater in town. Pretty big theater actually. [laughs] And we did a little ballet show, which was just me as ... There was probably a whole lot going on, and I'm four, so I don't entirely remember, but I do know that I was dressed in a monkey suit. I remember having a really hot, itchy monkey suit on and having an itch on my bottom, and I was a little embarrassed, so I turned around to scratch my bottom so nobody would see me, but the whole audience just ripped because-

    6. JS

      Oh

    7. OB

      ... kinda cute, right?

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. OB

      This little ... So I, I think my first fear was, like, I think it, like, being on stage. So I kind of, you know, I did, um, I did all the National Youth Theatre stuff in London. I did youth theater. Everything I could do at school was my sort of start. And I was just constantly, every time I did it, like, I used to remember walking on stage and I'd be like My mom used to do this. She'd go, "You can..." You know, my mom had this one thing and she'd shake her fist at me.

    10. JS

      [laughs]

    11. OB

      Says a lot about my mom. [laughs] Um, but she'd shake her fist and say, "You can do it. Oh, you..." You know? And I, so I had this thing, and I'd sort of go, and then I, I was quite, um, you know, I was, I was confirmed in the Cathedral of Canterbury by the Archbishop of Canterbury 'cause it was, like, where I'm from and stuff, which is kind of a big deal.

    12. JS

      Big deal.

    13. OB

      So religious practice was always kind of a part of my life. Um, so I'd always sort of say a prayer as well and think and then kind of go out and do it, and I'd like... And it was, like, never more focused than when I was on stage, and that was a great feeling because otherwise I think I was struggling in school to-

    14. JS

      Sure

    15. OB

      ... to, to articulate my thoughts or follow or continue my thought thread. Um, so yeah, I think fear for me was that, which is ironic because of course now I'm... You know, then I went on to being an actor, but, but, uh...

  4. 6:55 – 12:33

    Practicing Buddhism

    1. OB

      And also I have a, you know, I think at 16 I moved to London, which was quite young, and I was on my own to do my A levels and, and it was when I was 16 that I met a Buddhist practice.

    2. JS

      Mm.

    3. OB

      Um-

    4. JS

      So early.

    5. OB

      Yeah. So I was very young to meet a Buddhist practice, and it was a philosophy and a, and a, and it is a religious practice, but it's m- way more of a sort of philosophy and a almost, like, a guide to life, if you like, for me.

    6. JS

      What was it about it at 16 that resonated with you?

    7. OB

      I think that having left, um, the sort of institutionalized schooling that you and I both recognize from London, and England rather, not London. I was in Canterbury, but I went to a private school. I had a s- pretty solid middle class education, but... So it was like, it was like there was sort of a, you know, chapel every morning, hymns and, you know. And so I had a, I had that sort of in me, and I think I really enjoyed that, but when I moved to London, I didn't have, I didn't find a church or find a community. And it was when I was studying for my A levels that I realized, um, that I needed extra art for my sculpture exam, which I hadn't thought, thought through. I'd given up art quite a young age. I just didn't have a teacher that... I didn't, it just, it was unfortunate. So I met through my best friend, I met an artist. He introduced me, and I did extra classes. Um, I'd sort of go back to Kent. He was actually from Kent. So I'd go down on the weekends and I'd... He'd set me up in a room and he'd say, with an easel, and he'd say, "Here, just do this." And I'd hear him in the other room, and he'd be going, "Nam myoho renge kyo, Nam myoho renge kyo." And I'd be like just carrying on with... And one day I just, I sort of walked down, I said, "What are you doing?" He goes, "I'm just, I'm just chanting that you're gonna be really successful in your exams and you have a really successful life." I was like, "Cool. Well, will it help?" He goes, "Yeah." I was like, "Great." So I just got down on my knees, I was like, "Nam myoho renge kyo, Nam myo-"

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. OB

      And so David, who is, who I've known since I'm, like, yeah, se- maybe 17, 16 or 17, but he, he was, he, he is, he, he shakubuku me, which is what we call in my practice where it's where someone introduces you to the practice. So he is... And he was wonderful because he, he sort of, at 16, I was living in London, and I was a real tearaway. I mean, I was like a club kid. I was, like, having a really good time. Everything was like, you know? I mean, I was... I wasn't-

    10. JS

      [laughs]

    11. OB

      I don't want to mischaracterize myself because in some ways I always knew what I wanted, so I kind of had a sort of self-

    12. JS

      Mm

    13. OB

      ... discipline regulator almost. I didn't go too far, but I always pushed the boundaries of what was I could do, and I was having a really good time. And, and I was like, and, and I said, "Well," you know, he explained it in a very sort of simple way to me, but it was like, I was like, "Well, can I chant for these things that I would kind of..." You know, like, but, and it [laughs] could've been anything. And he was like, "Yeah, sure." And sometimes it was like, "Well, I wanna have a really good night," and this, that, and the other and, and he was like, "See what happens." And, and I would, and sometimes I'd wake up with a really sore head, and I'd be like, "Oh, okay." So words like integri- integrity, wisdom, courage, compassion, things that were like, were started to come filtered at a young age into my, into my thinking through also the writings of Daisaku Ikeda, who's my mentor. And so it was like, it was just, it was this perfect moment for me because I think I always wanted a roadmap. I think there's an art to living, and for me, this philosophy is, for me, it's, it's, it's a, it's a way for me to understand the art of living, and I think it's really, like, the law of cause and effect, and I think all religions kind of mix and match and meet... The, the, the, the central core of all practices, I think, is, is one of, you know, good, goodwill, I believe, right?

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. OB

      But there's almost, like, science, like cause and effect, what goes up must come down. It just sort of, it tr- it, we, it worked for me as a, as an idea and... So yeah, I became a... But it took me four years. I mean, I, I shakubuku my sister, my best friend, and-

    16. JS

      [laughs]

    17. OB

      ... it was like, and they, and one day my best friend goes, "Well, I'm gonna go and get Gohonzon." Gohonzon is this scroll that, um, we, we chant to. And, uh, I was like, "Wait, you what?" He said, "I'm getting Gohonzon." I was like, "Uh, I, uh..." And he'd been chanting for, like, maybe, I don't know, six, eight months, and I was like, "Go- Uh..." I was like, "Okay, I'll j- I'll join you. I'll do..." [laughs] I was like, "I've been doing this for four years," and I hadn't, or, you know, or years, and I hadn't. So yeah, I became a member of the SGI, which is the organization, and that was, yeah, when I was nine- a bit later 'cause I'd started chanting. But I just used to just, I chanted, and it was like it kept me in rhythm, and, and it, and it was... And that's really, for me, it kept me in a flow. It's like the rhythm of life. And it, in a way, the, when I was doing my, uh, my sculpture exam, I remember I was painting, like, a, a whale bone and a lemon or a pineapple. Like, it was a, it was a whale bone and a, and, and, like, a some kind of piece of fruit, and I was like, I'd look at it, I'd be painting, and it was a 15-hour still life oil painting exam. Had a still life drawing exam as well as the sculpture. I'd go to the toilet, I'd be like, "Nam myoho renge kyo, Nam myoho renge..." Come back, and I'd be like, and finish the painting and, and I think, like, yeah, I, I, I got the highest grade, and then the, they called and said, "We'd like to keep this work as the highest grade for the country," kind of thing as, like, like, "This is the bench..." And I was like- I hadn't been doing art, and I... So I really tested it, and it was, you know, I think, I think the power as you, you know, you know when you set an intention and, uh, and w- at such a young age, you know?

    18. JS

      At such a young age.

    19. OB

      For young people, for young people today, I think having something like, uh, something that you can trust, and I think, you know, I really admire... I think it's hard to-

    20. JS

      Mm

    21. OB

      ... to have faith, but

  5. 12:33 – 19:00

    The Lotus Sutra

    1. OB

      it's-

    2. JS

      With the, with the chanting and with the practice or the habit of that, what were some of the more philosophical lessons or principles that kind of became anchors or a compass in your life at that time? Were there certain teachings or lessons that stood out and you were like, "Oh, these are going to form the principles that I'm going to live by"?

    3. OB

      Yeah. Um, so many. Daisaku Ikeda fortunately is, uh, well, has, has written extensively, and it's very accessible.

    4. JS

      For those who don't know, please tell us who Daisaku Ikeda is.

    5. OB

      So Daisaku Ikeda is, is my mentor. He was, um, he is... He brought this practice from Japan around the world. It was, um, you know, it was in, in the '60s, he, I think, he, he, he, is when he left Japan and traveled first to Hawaii. And, um, the founding members of this practice, and many of whom are wonderful Japanese women who have been, uh, have, have been a, are living around the world, and but he brought this practice to 193 countries I think now. His mentor, Josei Toda, and before that, Machiguki, Josei Toda's mentor, Machiguki, um, in the '60s in Japan, um, brought this practice forward. And Daisaku Ikeda really made it accessible. He wrote extensively. He, he's written a book about... His, his book about his life is written from a, uh, another perspective. It's like it's him, but it's written as another person. It's in... Is that third person? Well, if it's not the same, but if, if it's-

    6. JS

      If-

    7. OB

      ... it's him, but it's not... It's he's got a pseudonym for who it is-

    8. JS

      Yeah

    9. OB

      ... but it's-

    10. JS

      Yeah, right, a pseudonym. Yeah.

    11. OB

      Right. So he... But it's just, it's... I think there are so many ideas within the practice, but at its core it's like I just find that through chanting, you say, "Nam, I devote myself, myoho renge kyo, to the mystic law of cause and effect through the vibration of sound," and the sound is Nam myoho renge kyo. Myoho renge kyo is the title of the Lotus Sutra, and as you may or may not know, but yeah, you know, Shakyamuni or Buddha, the Buddha, Siddhartha-

    12. JS

      Mm-hmm

    13. OB

      ... um, he wrote sutras, meaning teachings, in, in the last eight years of his life. It was the Lotus Sutra before he passed that he sort of proclaimed as the teaching that would lead all living beings to enlightenment in this lifetime, and so that's why we chant Nam myoho renge kyo, myoho renge kyo being also the title of the Lotus Sutra. And then I recite two chapters from the, uh, expedient means of the lifespan chapter from the Lotus Sutra, which is part of this practice, which is beautifully Japanese-

    14. JS

      [laughs]

    15. OB

      ... because, um, it traveled from India through the Silk Paths and, and landed in Japan. And it was Nichiren Daishonin, who was a, um, in the, in 1270, s- 1270, around then, so you'd call that the 13th century, um, he, he propagated the teaching, and he brought this teaching to the world at that time.

    16. JS

      Wow.

    17. OB

      So he's, he, he enshrined in sumi ink the Gohonzon, which is, as I sort of said, that scroll that I chant to. He inscribed it with sumi ink, and he gave... 'Cause he recognized that sort of humans needed, uh, something, a, a mandala, something to, to, to look at. And really, it's like, it's like polishing my mirror.

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. OB

      So I... Excuse my ADD brain, but [laughs] it is like polishing my mirror. So I think about, when I chant, I think about... They, in India it was like a bronze mirror, and you polish it, and then you see your reflection, right?

    20. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. OB

      So the more I chant, the more I see my reflection, and I see the things, or, or like a, it's like a, a tea leaf, a gla- a glass of tea, and I'm just like stirring away, and it comes to the surface, and you'll do chanting. And I think as you get older, and I have, you know, two beautiful children, and you realize that, like, it's sort of... I think death is a big part of life, and it's something that we, uh, some people can be very uncomfortable with or challenged by, and we're mystically, you know, here for such a short period of time relative to everything. And this practice is, like, kind of constantly preparing you.

    22. JS

      Mm.

    23. OB

      And it's sort of so the obstacles that you see in life, because essentially, you know what? The way that I've learnt through my practice is that we're born, we grow old, we'll get sick, and we'll die.

    24. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    25. OB

      And so will everyone around us, and hopefully nobody we love too soon.

    26. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    27. OB

      But the truth is you will lose, and there is... And I think that when you can see the obstacles in your life, and it may be just waking up in the morning and getting a bill that you can't afford to pay or, you know, for somebody, or when you, when you take the obstacles in your life as the opportunities for your growth, when you s- when you reframe it as, "Oh, wow," because the truth is, at least my truth through my practice, is that we're never not gonna have opportunity... uh, uh, obstacles, right? And it's just how we see those obstacles and whether they become our benefit.

    28. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    29. OB

      So it's like painting a, a canvas, right? Like when I broke my back or when I had, you know, near-death experiences and... or, you know, experiences I say [laughs] about a few kind of interesting things in my life, or a heartbreak or a heart reveal or, you know, something that happened in school or things, like those are the deep colors in your canvas. Otherwise, everything's just sort of like plain, nice.

    30. JS

      Mm.

  6. 19:00 – 23:56

    The 8 Wins

    1. OB

      but the Eight Winds is something that Nichiren Daishonin wrote this book. I didn't intend this to be a whole

    2. JS

      [laughs]

    3. OB

      [laughs]

    4. JS

      I love it. It's beautiful.

    5. OB

      I'm just, like, riffing but-

    6. JS

      It's beautiful. I love it

    7. OB

      ... but, like, he wrote, he wrote, he wrote The Gosho, and, and it's, like, letters to his disciples, and it's crazy because they're like, they're written in 1220, 1270-something. They're in the 13th century, but they're so weirdly current. Like, it, it's a bit, because it's like there's a samurai, Sh- Shingo Kyonyo, who I kind of, like, see myself as, like, maybe I was... You know-

    8. JS

      [laughs]

    9. OB

      ... like, I have this, like, nice idea of, of who he was, but, like, he had, he had shared the practice with his master, and his master was, like, giving him all these lands, and then all these other samurai were jealous. And so they, like, they tore his character down, and he was banished, and then he managed to kind of come back because of his practice and communicate to his lord.

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. OB

      And it kind of worked, but it's like we know that story.

    12. JS

      Mm. Mm.

    13. OB

      It happens in every office or in every city or at least, you know-

    14. JS

      Yeah

    15. OB

      ... we've heard it time and time again. So they're so sort of current and relative, but-

    16. JS

      Absolutely

    17. OB

      ... a wi- the, the Eight Winds is a really great, um, is one that I grew up. "A wise man is not swayed by the eight winds of praise, censure, honor, disgrace, um, pleasure, suffering, prosperity, decline."

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. OB

      And, you know-

    20. JS

      Wow, that, that is really powerful

    21. OB

      ... you know, and that was one that just, like, for me, it was like-

    22. JS

      Mm

    23. OB

      ... you know, just I don't think I've... [laughs] I think I've been swayed many a many a time.

    24. JS

      How does one not get swayed by praise, and what was the second word?

    25. OB

      Praise and censure, so the opposites, right?

    26. JS

      Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

    27. OB

      Mm.

    28. JS

      So how does one not get swayed?

    29. OB

      Yeah, I think, I think as a, as a, as a younger man, and I'm not, I don't like... I, I feel I'm young at heart, so I kind of [laughs] like-

    30. JS

      You look young, mate. I'm gonna tell you-

  7. 23:56 – 34:20

    Trusting Your Life’s Direction

    1. JS

      when you're talking about fears and your first fear all the way through to this, obviously when you watch the show, there's this feeling of the external fear, right? Like, the idea of jumping out of a plane, the idea of rock climbing, the i- y- all of these things are naturally inherently scary.

    2. OB

      Right, right. Mm.

    3. JS

      What's the internal fear when you're doing it? Like, what is the dialogue that's going on? Because obviously you're quite a reflective-

    4. OB

      Yeah

    5. JS

      ... thoughtful individual. What, what's really the fear? Because it obviously isn't jumping out the plane for you.

    6. OB

      Yeah. I think it comes back to trust. And faith, right? And, and self-worth, right? Mm. There are protocols that you follow. Like all of these like adrenaline junkie athletes that you see, you know, maybe posting a 15-second clip on, on a, on a social media page, have spent their lives- Mm-hmm ... and potentially weeks, days, years, hours- Mm ... to perfect whatever it's you're seeing for a 15-second moment. And, you know, like Luke Aikins jumped from like the stratosphere without a parachute landing in a net. Camila Jaber, who is, who, who was my free diving, uh, coach, along with Will Tobitsch, who was, who, who, who runs this, um, Vertical Blue competition in, in The Bahamas where I was diving. Supreme athletes who, you know... Camila has swum to... She's the Mexican world record holder of like 80, 80-plus meters now. That's a... You know, I, I think I got to 37 meters- Which is incredible ... in about the four days, which was like 100 and few, 100... And I was really struggling because of my mask. I had... I think I, I wish I'd not worn a mask. I wish I'd just like had goggle, like you have these little- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I wish I'd, I'd thought that through 'cause... But I had some issues with equalizing. But, you know, and/or Mo Beck, who's this adaptive climber who just, you know, was born with one hand and, uh, started climbing as a child and just, you know, is the woman in her field doing what she does. And is like a glass ho- you know, is this, is just overflowing. These people are just overflowing. But what it is is that they are experts, and they... It is a life choice almost, right? Mm. So in a way, like people have said to me, "Oh, have you gone back to doing the freedi- the, the, the wingsuiting or the..." And I'm like, "I really can't wait to do that." But it's like, it's not something you just pi- dip in and out of, you know? It's a real lifestyle choice- Yeah ... and it's a commitment, and it's, it's something that gives you excellence. And I think the f- so, so trusting in that moment that everything you... Trusting myself, for me, it was about becoming capable, right? Mm. In a way. Like, like learning to follow the protocols, learning to be present enough to take- Mm ... on board everything that's being told to me so that I can apply it to the moment that I'm in. So when I'm in the plane and about to jump and I'm really... And I'm, I, uh... You know, I think the... To be fair, I think the climbing... I got such potty mouth on the climbing- [laughs] ... 'cause I was so frustrated and terrified by the, by the gear, by the knots, by like whether I tied it right or whether the rope was gonna hold me or whether I was gonna... And mostly because actually I had Mo's life in my hands, right? Like, so... But it was, I think, becoming capable and having that like education and then being accountable for myself. Mm. So in the moment where the fear is really kicking in, it's just trusting. Mm. Like kind of coming back to what everything I've learned from my practice, just trusting your life. Mm. Having faith in your life. I think faith is, uh, is so important, and I think misguided faith is sometimes so challenging for us as a, as a, as a, as a species- Mm ... because it's led to so much heartbreak and, and conflict. But actually, I really admire people of faith because most people of faith, if it's not misguided, are really doing everything they can. Mm. And because it's my Buddhist practice, we try to be respectful of all faith. You know, I kind of feel like I know my path is the right one. [laughs] I'm like, "I wish everyone would join me on this." But I, but I totally respect that everybody has their path, and I think that's what it comes down, right? Respect. Mm-hmm. So it's like a bit of, it... The, the whole show was a bit of a human experiment for me. Mm. And I think the experiment and the lessons that I continually learn was a bit of like self-respect, becoming capable- Mm ... trusting my life, and trusting that this was part of an important and necessary part of my life. And I, after all, I'd chosen to do it. Mm-hmm. You know? And I could find myself at times in these like super challenging, physically challenging moments- Mm ... mentally, physically, and emotionally. They were all totally different. So, you know, like wingsuiting just was... It, it's super unnatural to jump out of a plane. [laughs] And then I think what Luke said to me was that I'm probably the first person to have jumped at 26 jumps. Wow. So 25 jumps I got my, my, my, my A license for skydiving- Yes ... and my 26th jump was in a wingsuit. [laughs] But he had me on this trajectory, but he knew from what he was watching and c- you know, we were working every day for, uh- Yeah ... you know, a few, not even that long, but, um- [laughs] ... but he knew that I was capable to do it. So the, the free diving, I just didn't know if I was gonna come back up. Mm. I was like, "Wait, what? What if I..." 'Cause I had... And I think I was emotionally really challenged by this idea, like respecting my life, you know, treasuring my life because I think in some ways in my youth, treasuring my life, valuing my life- Mm ... understanding the value of life- Mm ... and being grateful for it in a very profound way. Like I think I have, you know, a stadium of angels or Buddhas or however, whoever you wanna call them, but, um... And with climbing it was like I'd find myself in these moments, as I said, I'd be like, I'd be like, "I'm really having a hard time here." And I would with, uh, you know, I'd have... I had this, um, one of my assistants who became a producing partner I was working with for so long, who knew me so well, but I would just be like freaking out. She could see I was freaking out, but I was freaking out. But about something like- Why am I wearing this T-shirt?

    7. JS

      [laughs]

    8. OB

      What does this T-shirt mean? You know what I mean?

    9. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    10. OB

      It was so, so interesting how the mind, right-

    11. JS

      Mm

    12. OB

      ... it's like you become ... You know what I mean? Instead of just getting in your ... You know, I became very, um ... I was, like, con- trying to control.

    13. JS

      Mm.

    14. OB

      Control the, control the environment, control the things, because I felt so out of control.

    15. JS

      Mm.

    16. OB

      Like, this T-shirt is not the right T-shirt, [laughs] or whatever it might be.

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. OB

      You know, it was like, for me, it didn't ... It could've been anything, but it was like, because I needed to control whatever I had poss- you know, on me-

    19. JS

      Yeah

    20. OB

      ... because I felt so kind of out of control in some ways.

    21. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm.

    22. OB

      So it was a human ... I felt like it was a human experiment, [laughs] honestly.

    23. JS

      Yeah, it is.

    24. OB

      I was like, I was like, "How much does it take for me to crack?" You know?

    25. JS

      Mm.

    26. OB

      How much pressure before I ... And what does that look like, in some ways. Um, so but in a way, like, you know, that was the ... You know, I kept coming back to Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. You know, you, you ... What is meant for you is not gonna go away, right? It's not-

    27. JS

      Mm.

    28. OB

      And this is ... But it's also, it was my first time in an unscripted world, right?

    29. JS

      Yeah.

    30. OB

      You know, I think because of the nature of my upbringing, dyslexia, and education that was such a challenge, although I got it all, got it all, um, is just trusting-

  8. 34:20 – 43:21

    Being Present While on the Edge

    1. JS

      But, but one thing you say in the docuseries kind of near the beginning was this idea of, you say, "Being on the edge makes me feel most alive." But then at the same time, I see you as someone who really values the little things day to day, and obviously with your Buddhist practice, is mindful and present.

    2. OB

      Mm.

    3. JS

      How do you reconcile the two? Because, you know, if you're feeling all this-

    4. OB

      Yes

    5. JS

      ... adrenaline and this extreme sport-

    6. OB

      Yes

    7. JS

      ... and that makes you feel alive, but then how do you also feel alive in the tiny moments-

    8. OB

      Yes

    9. JS

      ... of maybe being with your kids or-

    10. OB

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

    11. JS

      ... you know, being with Blue as we just ... Your beautiful dog that we just were with now.

    12. OB

      Thank you. Yeah. I think, you know, it's such a good question. It's, I think to let ... Uh, uh, two things, then I want to come back to that question. But I think in a way, like, one of the parts of the show is, like, what did it take for me-

    13. JS

      Mm

    14. OB

      ... to be so remarkably present? Look, I'm, I'm one of the most privileged people, I consider myself. The experiences that I've had in the world at, at, at, at, in life, I feel just so grateful all the time. I wake up feeling grateful, and, you know, I feel, you know, that partly that's my practice too-

    15. JS

      Mm-hmm

    16. OB

      ... giving me the opportunity. But for some people it's like, look, just getting up from the couch and going to the kitchen.

    17. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    18. OB

      What does it take for them to do that?

    19. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. OB

      I know through COVID, which was the idea, was like, what does it take for that person just to go to the park? Just step outside, take your shoes off, socks off, stand in the grass, and look at the trees. And just, that may be all it takes, but it may be so challenging for one pers- for that person. So, like, yes, for me, you know, when I was kind of raw dogging it with my, all my kind of ADD and just things happening, I was just, like, in it. I say that because I've ... When I say raw dogging, I mean, I was just like, I've subsequently found, like, a really amazing, like, peptide which is fantastic, that's helped me really kind of connect my thoughts at times.

    21. JS

      Wow.

    22. OB

      'Cause sometimes it's really disjointed. But in a way, I love that-

    23. JS

      Mm

    24. OB

      ... about my thinking, 'cause it kind of is sporadic. But, um, for some people, as I said, the, the, the hope for the show for me was, like, it took me ... Okay, for me, who, you know, arguably throughout my life has really, um, you know, loved the thrill. Like, if I'm going really fast, either on a motorcycle [laughs] or in a car or whatever it may be, I feel like I'm more focused. Like, I, I'm more likely to have an accident at 30 miles an hour than I am-

    25. JS

      Interesting

    26. OB

      ... at 60 miles an hour. You know? Because- I'm just ... There's a ... It, it, it, I switch into some other mode, and it's kinda true for everything I've done in my life. Like, if I'm, if a, if, if the, if the, if it's really up against me, then I'm gonna, I'm gonna step up in a whole other way. Like for example, Lord of the Rings where I was like, my first movie really, and I'm with Ian McKellen and Ian Holm and Christopher Lee and Viggo Mortensen, and even Elijah, who I'd seen in movies, and you know, like, these amazing actors, all of whom had so much experience, and it was an amazing gift, but it was also like, okay, step up.

    27. JS

      Mm.

    28. OB

      You know? And the blessing of that. Um, so I think you kinda take that high of these insane things that you're doing, but it's all really, like, relev- relevant to the ... Like, sometimes I can wake up in the morning, and I just can't figure out even which way to [laughs] go, you know? I'm like, I can feel like I'm like, "Wait, what? I'm so grateful, but wait, where, where, what am I..." My brain is like-

    29. JS

      Mm

    30. OB

      ... I- it's, like, trying to bring it online.

  9. 43:21 – 44:33

    Your Relationship Is The Deepest Mirror You’ll Ever Have

    1. JS

      going back to what was revealed to you and, and even that, I mean, I look at relationships as such a area where so many of our fears are brought to the surface.

    2. OB

      [sighs]

    3. JS

      I found this with my own wife. Like, we've been together for-

    4. OB

      Yeah

    5. JS

      ... 11 years and married for eight.

    6. OB

      What's the secret?

    7. JS

      And [laughs] it's this, it's, it's being comfortable with the idea that she is also the deepest mirror I'll ever have.

    8. OB

      Right. Yeah.

    9. JS

      Because no one in the world sees all of my flaws, all of my mistakes, all the moments when I'm not perfect. You know, m- I always joke about how, like, my wife knows whether I meditated this morning or not.

    10. OB

      Right.

    11. JS

      Like, no one else does.

    12. OB

      Yeah.

    13. JS

      But my wife knows.

    14. OB

      Yeah.

    15. JS

      And my wife knows whether it was quality or whether it was distracted.

    16. OB

      [laughs] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    17. JS

      My wife knows whether ... You know, my wife knows whether I left my socks on the floor.

    18. OB

      Right.

    19. JS

      You know, whatever. Just whether it's silly or deep, it's, it's she's in a position, and when your partner doesn't abuse that authority and doesn't use it as a form of control-

    20. OB

      Yeah, right

    21. JS

      ... but actually reflects back-

    22. OB

      Oh

    23. JS

      ... some care and compassion, it, it can be a really ... It's, it's almost like you can't grow without it. Have you ... What have, what have you

  10. 44:33 – 49:03

    What Did You Learn from Your Past Relationships?

    1. JS

      ... What scared you about relationships and what ... Like you said, you had no problem with women. That wasn't a thing, but what was revealed to you in your relationship?

    2. OB

      Yeah. Um-

    3. JS

      What's been revealed to you in your relationship-

    4. OB

      Yeah

    5. JS

      ... is a better question.

    6. OB

      I think, I think, um, I'm constantly learning to let go because anything that I try to hold on to, whether it's good or bad, doesn't serve me.

    7. JS

      Mm.

    8. OB

      Not in the relationship, and it doesn't really serve either of us.

    9. JS

      Mm.

    10. OB

      And that's really hard-

    11. JS

      Mm

    12. OB

      ... to keep letting go and to keep letting her go. You know, the idea of ... 'Cause I think when you're in a deeply loving, committed relationship, you want to, you wanna control or own or have or ... And, you know, even just letting go of ideas-

    13. JS

      Mm

    14. OB

      ... of how things should be or the idea of what intimacy or intimate moments are to you versus them or how ... You know, whatever it may be because everybody, because you've chosen that person, you're on a journey with that person. You know, you're gonna learn this lesson, and if you've chosen that person, then that's the person you're gonna learn that lesson with.

    15. JS

      Mm.

    16. OB

      You know, I mean, that's the opportunity, right?

    17. JS

      Mm. That's real.

    18. OB

      So-

    19. JS

      Yeah, that's, that, that really resonates. I, I feel like that's why we'd rather let go of the person and have a new six-month period with someone new because you don't have to let go in that six months.

    20. OB

      Mm.

    21. JS

      Like, that six months is almost full of holding on, and every idea and every hope and possibility remains intact. Like, you don't have to dismantle it or question it or break it down. But you are so right that the amount of misconceptions I've had to let go of-

    22. OB

      Mm

    23. JS

      ... as we spend more time together.

    24. OB

      And I think it, it's gonna change every day, right?

    25. JS

      Absolutely.

    26. OB

      It's like every day you choose, I choose you.

    27. JS

      Yeah.

    28. OB

      You know? Because also, you know, your wife is changing, right?

    29. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    30. OB

      Seven years from now she's gonna be a completely different human.

  11. 49:03 – 54:20

    Introducing Your Buddhism Practice to Your Kids

    1. JS

      introduce your Buddhist practices and teachings to the kids? Like, how does that work?

    2. OB

      Mm.

    3. JS

      I'm fascinated by-

    4. OB

      Well, yeah

    5. JS

      ... yeah. How-

    6. OB

      I really, I just, I say Nam Myoho Renge Kyo to Daisy, and she'll... I say, she'll s- s- uh, uh, sometimes I'm the other side of the world on a m- movie. She'll be like. I say, "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo." And she'll go, "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo."

    7. JS

      [laughs]

    8. OB

      Um, he g- I think... And Flynn chanted, you know, from... I did the same with him, and I don't like... So Flynn's mother has a, a beautiful faith in life, I think, and I really respect it, and I don't challenge any of the things, his views that he's obviously imbued through his mother. And, um, you know, I, I, I... We, we, we love to go on walks. I love to go on walks with my son, and, and we talk a lot. I try to, you know... And at different stages, look, he's 13 now, so it's almost like Dad is getting pushed aside, and I kind of know what that feels like. I was the same, you know? So I'm not, I try not to take it personally. [laughs]

    9. JS

      [laughs] Yeah.

    10. OB

      But I miss him, and I'm like, I just text him I love him and I miss him. But, but we have these wonderful walks and talks, and I kind of just, throughout whatever we're saying, I try to keep reinforcing just the, the, the, the undercurrent philosophy and thinking of my practice. And, and, and which is just, you know, are you, are you respecting? Are you, are you... You know, if there is that kid in class who's not, you know, are you, are you supporting that kid that's not getting the support? Because that's where you'll find the richness, right?

    11. JS

      Mm.

    12. OB

      Because I, I kind of like, I know that's in his heart as well. I see it and... Funny, he said to me, "Dad, you know I'm really good at just bluffing." And I think, like, but this is him at 13-

    13. JS

      [laughs]

    14. OB

      ... thr- you know, flexing a bit-

    15. JS

      Yeah

    16. OB

      ... in his way of trying to fl- like, trying to ki- I'm like... And he's like, "Yeah, but Dad, I just knew that would, that would be the thing that people would appre-

    17. JS

      [laughs]

    18. OB

      I'm like, "Good. Well, just keep working that then."

    19. JS

      Yeah.

    20. OB

      'Cause even if your thinking will try and make you say you're gonna do, just keep working that.

    21. JS

      Mm.

    22. OB

      Even if it's, even if you think it's like you're putting on a show, fake it till you make it, you know what I mean?

    23. JS

      Yeah.

    24. OB

      Just keep doing the, just keep trying to do the right thing, and eventually you'll start to realize what the right thing is, right?

    25. JS

      Mm.

    26. OB

      But-

    27. JS

      Mm

    28. OB

      ... I love to walk and talk with him and, and I, and I, I just don't overwhelm him with it.

    29. JS

      Mm.

    30. OB

      Because in, in, in my faith, I believe by saying Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Say it to me. Nam.

  12. 54:20 – 1:00:34

    Whatever You Say, You Become

    1. JS

      Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

    2. OB

      So all of that energy, which as you know and talked about and many times, but it's, it's like, it's whatever you're saying you become, right?

    3. JS

      Mm.

    4. OB

      As we all know, these, all these old adages are so true, so it's not like... But, so yeah, it's, I think for me, it's like I, the shame game doesn't work.

    5. JS

      Mm.

    6. OB

      I don't wanna, I don't wanna receive it from anyone. I mean, I did this, I had this amazing experience, and I went six years ago, maybe seven years ago now. Seven years ago. More than seven years ago. Nearly eight years ago, I went to the Hoffman Institute, which is this wonderful-

    7. JS

      Oh, beautiful. Yes, yeah

    8. OB

      ... and it was, um, I'd had a really... I'd been seeing Katie for a year, and I'd broken up, and then we'd sort of... No, we hadn't actually. We'd, we'd broken up, yeah. I'd been seeing her for, for, for, for a little while, and then we had broken up, and we got back together- You know, the young love weirdness of trying to find things. And but I'd, I'd been triggered into this really unique pattern of behavior that I felt I'd inherited from my mom, right? This thing of like, "See me, I'm here," you know?

    9. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    10. OB

      With my mom. "I'm over here." You know, I think my... You know what I mean? And trying to get the attention, right? And I ha- I was like, "Oh."

    11. JS

      Mm.

    12. OB

      One of the worst years internally I can ever remember, because I felt like I was playing a part instead of being a part.

    13. JS

      Mm. Mm.

    14. OB

      And I was just... 'Cause I had so many feelings.

    15. JS

      Mm.

    16. OB

      And I was so... And I was in water that was just uncharted. So, um, a dear friend of mine, Buddhist, had, um, an actor friend from New York had, had suggested that I do this two years ago, and I hadn't picked up on it. James Lestini, this amazing actor, human, just wonderful person. And I was like, I re- sort of remembered when I- we'd had this breakup, and I'd remembered I'd taken my passport, left everything else, and walked into New York, 'cause we'd been in New York. And then I was like, got on a plane home. But before I got on a plane home, I went to his house, 'cause it was like 5:00 in the morning when we'd had this rip-roaring argument. And I was like, took my passport and walked out the door. And I was like... And he'd talked about it. And so I, I did this course, and I left with these three thinking. And it was, it was a wonderful week, where you don't have your phone, you don't have the email. You have... So you have no connection to the outside world, really. And you don't... And people, you know, obviously I was me, but I had this... Nobody's there for that.

    17. JS

      Yeah.

    18. OB

      So it's really people are on their own. They're all in their own form of n- need. So I was wearing, like, a, a name tag that was my childhood name or whatever. And then I did seven days of, like, I guess kind of like a group therapy, and it felt like three years of therapy in seven days in a way. And they take you on this beautiful journey through these seven days, where you have, like, a Thanksgiving dinner, a Christmas dinner, a birthday, and a whole thing from... It's like, it, it's beautiful the way it's constructed. And I came out with this thinking, and I talked to James at that time about this as well, of feeling safe, seen, and celebrated.

    19. JS

      Mm.

    20. OB

      I want to feel safe. So in, in, in terms of my relationship. So with self first, right? So if I look in the mirror, I feel safe. Do I feel safe with you today? Do I feel seen by you? Am I kind of observing myself? And do I feel celebrated, right?

    21. JS

      Mm.

    22. OB

      But really it's for my, the people in my life. Like, do I feel safe with this person? Do I feel seen by this person? And am I feeling celebrated? And can I do that for them, obviously, right?

    23. JS

      Mm.

    24. OB

      It's a, it's a, it's, it's a mirror. So if I'm feeling that way, then you're good.

    25. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    26. OB

      It's a green light.

    27. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    28. OB

      And if I'm not, then I'm gonna just step back, take pause until I can feel that way. And if I can't feel that way, then maybe life and the universe will take us on different trajectories.

    29. JS

      Mm.

    30. OB

      But whilst I feel that way. So safe, seen, and celebrated-

  13. 1:00:34 – 1:04:57

    On Loving the Parenting Journey

    1. OB

      I had this, I thought I was like, when I had Daisy, my daughter, I was like, I mean, I feel like every man should have a daughter before they get married-

    2. JS

      Mm

    3. OB

      ... [laughs] in a way. Because it's like-

    4. JS

      Yeah

    5. OB

      ... you see every emotion under the sun-

    6. JS

      Yeah

    7. OB

      ... in a split second, and it's like, and you have nothing but love because you're there.

    8. JS

      Yeah.

    9. OB

      There's no judgment. There's just, like, I'm just, like, ma- marveling at her explosion of emotion.

    10. JS

      Yeah.

    11. OB

      And she'd be like, "No, Daddy. No, Dad. Mommy, I want..." And, and I'm gonna be like... If I'd been in, you know, a, a, a partner, a reflection of a partner doing that could have really messed me up at different times in my life.

    12. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    13. OB

      "Wait, what?"

    14. JS

      Yeah.

    15. OB

      See me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me. I'm over here, Mommy. I'm over here. You know, whatever it may be.

    16. JS

      Yeah, yeah.

    17. OB

      You know, our, our patterns from, from childhood, whatever that may be.

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. OB

      And I like... And I'm like, "Oh."

    20. JS

      [laughs]

    21. OB

      And it's, it's, in a way it's like, you know, so I can have those, you know, with a powerful human, you know-

    22. JS

      Mm

    23. OB

      ... that, that, that I've chosen [laughs] in some ways every day.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. OB

      It's like, gotta keep leveling up and trying.

    26. JS

      Yeah.

    27. OB

      And making mistakes and going, "Okay, no, that didn't work," or, "I'm gonna do this," and that's, "No, no, don't do that. You might..." You know, but-

    28. JS

      Yeah

    29. OB

      ... you know, sometimes it's very interesting, isn't it? I think the masculine in, in, in, in relation to the feminine-

    30. JS

      Mm-hmm

  14. 1:04:57 – 1:07:54

    The True Impact of Your Decisions

    1. OB

      practice. Once... It, it's like, and Sensei discusses, you know, once you decide, your whole world will move in that direction.

    2. JS

      Yes.

    3. OB

      Once you decide, you know what I mean?

    4. JS

      Mm.

    5. OB

      Everything is set up for the universe to support that decision, but you must decide.

    6. JS

      Mm.

    7. OB

      Whatever it may be.

    8. JS

      Mm.

    9. OB

      And then if the wheels fall off along the way, you know, you realize that you've decided and there are mistakes, but then you set about fixing. And I, you know, I, I wrote this, um, [laughs] like, a mission statement when I st- when I first met her because I wanted to, uh, I wanted to try to articulate all these crazy feelings that I was having at the time, um, which was like a reveal that I hadn't had in a long time in some while. And one of the things that I said in this, like, [laughs] this, this, this m- this letter I wrote her was, "You know, I want us to... We're gonna bring our little kids out. You know, our inner child, we're gonna bring it out, and I'll duke it out with you as much as you like, so long as we just promise to keep getting up."

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. OB

      You know? Because it's like if we don't get up, I need to know that, like, you'll duke it out, I'll duke it out, but that we'll get up.

    12. JS

      Mm.

    13. OB

      You know, and keep... You know, because that's... 'Cause it doesn't matter about. You've go- you're gonna go down.

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. OB

      People are gonna make mistakes. Things are gonna happen. Life is, is, is set for that.

    16. JS

      Mm.

    17. OB

      You know? There, it's not, you know, it's not meant to be.

    18. JS

      Mm.

    19. OB

      The opportunities, as we said at the beginning, for growth don't come through an easy path.

    20. JS

      No.

    21. OB

      They come... They're not when everything's going great. It's when the shit's hit the fan, right?

    22. JS

      Mm.

    23. OB

      And that's when, you know. So I kinda feel like I'm constantly like, "When's the next one?"

    24. JS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. OB

      You know? It's like next, next lesson. When's the next one coming? I'm go, you know, how much, how much, you know, how much humility do I need to learn today, you know?

    26. JS

      Yeah.

    27. OB

      Or what do I need to do, and what choices have I made that have led to this, and, and how am I gonna own that? You know what I mean?

    28. JS

      What's the difference, what's the difference between that? 'Cause I, I resonate with that. I always say to people that when things are going bad, work hard, and when things are going good, work harder.

    29. OB

      Right.

    30. JS

      Right? You're always pushing yourself to learn, grow, evolve more when actually things are good. Because a lot of us, we do the opposite. When things are good, we get complacent. We get lost. What is the difference for you between that mindset getting exhausting versus energizing? Because I think a lot of people would say, "Gosh, if I'm always having to figure out what to learn and what message and from the universe and my partner, that's exhausting."

  15. 1:07:54 – 1:15:21

    Finding Opportunities Through Obstacles

    1. OB

      way. I think e- we all come in different, right?

    2. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. OB

      When I reflect on all of-

    4. JS

      Mm

    5. OB

      ... the opportunities for growth in my life, they all reinforce this idea that this is what I need to learn at this time.

    6. JS

      Mm, mm.

    7. OB

      Right? In retrospect.

    8. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    9. OB

      When you're younger, and in that moment of crisis, whatever that may be ... And listen, I didn't have a mobile phone till I was 20, right? But there is a window of time in my life which is almost like a void because of the immense pressure and experience that life was throwing at me at such a rapid pace, that I, I literally can ... Like, there are blacks, almost feel like w- blank spots, right?

    10. JS

      Wow.

    11. OB

      Like, I can't even ... Like, my friend, best friends will go, "Well, remember when we went to Japan on that press..." And I was like, "We, we went to Pa- Jap- Japan together?" Like, yeah. I'm like, "Okay." So, you know-

    12. JS

      Yeah

    13. OB

      ... um, but yeah, I think that's it. I th- and I think that-

    14. JS

      Yeah, that makes sense

    15. OB

      ... I think starting at a young age with chant, with a practice like mine-

    16. JS

      Yeah

    17. OB

      ... well, it helped me as well to recognize, 'cause I'm constantly reinforcing this idea of opportunities through obstacles or opportunities, and even when you're in it and it's nightmares, ugh, these exams, this thing, this, you know, or this boyfriend or this girlfriend or this situation, this like ... I think it's always simplify as well, right?

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. OB

      Steady.

    20. JS

      Yep.

    21. OB

      Like, life, you know, is, you know ... A- at least my experience is like, I, I ha- I love the high octane, right?

    22. JS

      Mm.

    23. OB

      And I've been at the, at that depth. I love the depth as well. But when I'm steady-

    24. JS

      Mm

    25. OB

      ... when I'm just, when I just, like, come back to the simple, right?

    26. JS

      Mm.

    27. OB

      Simplify.

    28. JS

      Mm.

    29. OB

      'Cause sometimes you just need a walk. You know what I mean?

    30. JS

      Mm.

  16. 1:15:21 – 1:17:34

    Buddhism Is My Anchor

    1. JS

      to maintain your Buddhist practice and philosophy in Hollywood? Because I imagine that-

    2. OB

      Dude, that Buddhist philosophy and products has, has maintained, has been my anchor.

    3. JS

      Yeah.

    4. OB

      It's not ... I haven't maintained it. It's been my... It's, it's helped, it's maintained me. It's helped me. It's pr- it's... I really feel like it's my super cape.

    5. JS

      You can tell it's that.

    6. OB

      It's my cape.

    7. JS

      It's obvious, yeah.

    8. OB

      It's my, like, it's my superpower, you know? And it's, it's available to anyone, but I got it at a young age, and I'm like, it, it, it's my wings, it's my-

    9. JS

      Mm

    10. OB

      ... it's my shield, it's my, it's my wisdom, it's my courage, it's my compassion if I just use it. And sometimes I won't.

    11. JS

      Mm.

    12. OB

      There are days I won't chant, and I'm like... I mean, look, I'm years and years into this, so it's, it's, it's just in- I feel that it's-

    13. JS

      I feel it, yeah

    14. OB

      ... never gone far from me, but, but I know when I'm not. I'm like, "Wait, what's going on?" Often it's been when I've been in a relationship, by the way.

    15. JS

      Yeah. Wow.

    16. OB

      Often I've been in a relationship, and I don't. And I was like, "Wait, what? Why?"

    17. JS

      Mm.

    18. OB

      "Why is that?"

    19. JS

      Mm.

    20. OB

      "Why am I not when I'm..." Because what's being... So yeah, but it's been ... It was, that was-

    21. JS

      Yeah

    22. OB

      ... it was my, yeah, it was literally my-

    23. JS

      I can feel it. It's, it's very obvious. It's very evident from the show and today. It, it's very real in, in your, in your veins. What's something you feel you're being called right now? What's the fear you're being called to overcome right now, or the lesson that you're being questioned? I, I sat with this question last year, and it was really, really interesting for me in my own meditation. It was revealed to me that if I really want to serve and have the impact that I want to have, that I'll have to be okay with dealing with more stress, pain, external-

    24. OB

      Mm

    25. JS

      ... kind of, um-

    26. OB

      Energy coming at you

    27. JS

      ... energy coming at-

    28. OB

      To overcome-

    29. JS

      Yes, yes

    30. OB

      ... so that you can-

  17. 1:17:34 – 1:23:42

    The Fear You’re Currently Overcoming

    1. JS

      What fear are you being asked to overcome, or what lesson are you being asked to learn right now? Anything comes up.

    2. OB

      Mm.

    3. JS

      'Cause you've conquered so many fears in the show and gone to the edge. What's, what's an edge that is being requested of you?

    4. OB

      I think that our deepest fears are often, they often lie in areas unknown to us.

    5. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    6. OB

      Subconscious.

    7. JS

      Agreed.

    8. OB

      Even in our subconscious. Some of the deepest fears I have are, are, like, related to a historical pattern of behavior or thinking which I don't know that I was even conscious of.

    9. JS

      Mm.

    10. OB

      You know? Like, I've inherited, and possibly from, in my mind, because of my practice and faith, generationally, lifetimes-

    11. JS

      Mm-hmm

    12. OB

      ... previous lifetimes-

    13. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

    14. OB

      ... of thinking. Um, because that's how I kind of live my life, like, for the next life. I'm li- that's how I'm looking at it now. I'm like, I'm living for the next one, you know? It's like, like the Egyptians with the temples. It's like-

    15. JS

      Yes

    16. OB

      ... they were doing that 'cause it was like... And I kind of, like, if I can live like that. But I think that when I allow myself, it feels connected to, I think, self-worth-

    17. JS

      Mm

    18. OB

      ... which I think is something that, like, we all kind of, like... You know, like, is Jay ready for that bigger canvas?

    19. JS

      Mm.

    20. OB

      Is he ready to put that message out into the world?

    21. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    22. OB

      Does he deserve that? Has he done enough for that?

    23. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    24. OB

      Am I worthy of that, right?

    25. JS

      Mm. Mm.

    26. OB

      Have I, have I done the work? Am I doing the... Am I in the flow enough? Am I... And also, like, 'cause it's not, it's cyclical, right?

    27. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    28. OB

      Sometimes you're just not in the flow.

    29. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    30. OB

      I had seven years of just being- What felt like, uh, some of that, like, swimming upriver

  18. 1:23:42 – 1:34:35

    Orlando Bloom on Final Five

    1. OB

      We should

    2. JS

      ... I wanna end with the, what we end every episode on, which is called the final five of On Purpose. These are pretty much the same five questions that everyone gets answered, and every question has to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

    3. OB

      Okay.

    4. JS

      So-

    5. OB

      Gosh, I hate that kind of pressure

    6. JS

      ... Orlando, [laughs] these are your final five. And you can take your time. They're-

    7. OB

      Yeah, yeah

    8. JS

      ... they're thoughtful questions. Uh, Orlando, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

    9. OB

      Mm. Um, my mother used to say, "Have respect from the doorman to the director."

    10. JS

      Mm.

    11. OB

      And I think respect-

    12. JS

      Mm-hmm

    13. OB

      ... all life, anyone you meet.

    14. JS

      Mm.

    15. OB

      Because we're all on that journey.

    16. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    17. OB

      And the person that's opening the door for you could be running the country. You just don't know.

    18. JS

      Mm. Great answer. Question number two: What's the worst advice you've ever had or received?

    19. OB

      Oh, the worst. Um, I mean, the worst advice. That's a really tricky one.

    20. JS

      You can skip it if your mind's blocked it out. That's pretty cool.

    21. OB

      I, yeah, it's hard for me to-

    22. JS

      Yeah. That's good

    23. OB

      ... hard for me to ... The worst advice. Yeah.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. OB

      Sorry, dude.

    26. JS

      No, that's good. Don't be sorry. That's totally great.

    27. OB

      Oh, mate.

    28. JS

      I mean, if you've blocked it all out, that's awesome, because I, I like to make a log of bad advice everyone's received, 'cause I feel like there's so much bad advice that goes around.

    29. OB

      I mean, I, like-

    30. JS

      But if-

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