The Detox Expert: Drink THIS First Thing In The Morning On An Empty Stomach!

Elissa Goodman 0:00 The first seven years of our life, our subconscious is fully downloaded. We operate 95% out of our subconscious, 5% conscious. That's crazy.

Speaker 0:09 Nutritionist Elissa Goodman. She's helped thousands of clients resolve their health issues.

Elissa Goodman 0:13 Dehydration is really an epidemic right now. When you're dehydrated, nothing works right. It's not about detox and deprivation, it's about just feeding the body and nourishing it. Your body tells you everything.

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Elissa Goodman 1:07 Jay Shetty.

Speaker 1:08 Jay Shetty.

Jay Shetty 1:09 The one, the only Jay Shetty. [laughs] Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Now, I love turning my offline relationships, people I'm a fan of, bringing them onto the show and having the conversations where I'm speaking to a trusted expert. Today's guest is someone that I've followed on social media for a few years now, and any time I have a question about a new supplement, a vitamin, a product, this is the person that I go to to pick her brain to find out what she has to say about it. And considering I trust her so much offline, I thought I'd love to introduce you all to her online. I'm speaking about Elissa Goodman, who's an integrative holistic nutritionist. Elissa had issues with her health for her entire life, from cancer to autoimmune issues, and Hashimoto's in her 30s, which inspired her to take control of her own health and the lives of people around the world. Elissa has created her own delivered EG Kitchen Cleanse in LA. Elissa's EG Kitchen Cleanse allows people to have nourishing, vibrant, healing food delivered right to their doorstep. Elissa has been seeing clients for a decade now and is part of the healing journey for thousands of people around the world. If you don't already follow her on social media, you definitely will after this. If you're someone who wants to work on your health, if you're someone who wants to get more connected with your body, and if you're someone who wants to know how to cleanse and detox, this episode is for you. Welcome to the show, Elissa Goodman.

Elissa Goodman 2:45 Thank you. What an introduction. That was so beautiful.

Jay Shetty 2:49 Oh, well, I have so much more I could say, but I stuck to the professional introduction, but we obviously have a wonderful personal connection, too.

Elissa Goodman 2:57 I know, and I just, I love what I do, so it comes easy, as you can imagine. You know, I just, I absolutely am obsessed with helping people get better.

Jay Shetty 3:07 I can see that. I mean, anyone who follows you on social media will see it immediately. Like, it's so radiant, so vibrant, so true to who you are, and I think our audience is really going to find this fascinating because I don't think we've ever had a cleanse expert on the show before, and I wanted to start there.

Elissa Goodman 3:23 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 3:24 Like, what is a cleanse expert?

Elissa Goodman 3:26 I know. That's a great question, because cleansing gets a bad connotation. I mean, detox, cleanse is all about deprivation, starvation. And I would say that, you know, after I went to school, integrative holistic school, I became a cleanse person for Cafe Gratitude, mCafé, Erewhon, and I didn't know what it was. But I actually created these cleanses for these restaurants and handheld the cleansers throughout the five days or three days, however long they were doing it, and found out their ailments, what worked for them, what didn't work for them. One was vegan and one was, you know, macrobiotic from mCafé. And it was a beautiful thing 'cause I saw in five days people can restore their body, reset their body, get better brain, you know, retention, better digestion, just weight loss in five days, like crazy. So feel better, energy, mood, all of it. So it was really fascinating. I'm like, "Hmm, there's something to this cleansing." And so I decided that it was, those were a little bit more deprivation, starvation. So I created a cleanse nine years ago that wasn't about that. It's a, it, there's a lot of food on it. It's very anti-inflammatory, and it's giving you a lot of, like 50 different vegetables in over five days, so it's super nurturing, nourishing, and that's what I'm trying to do for people, is really introduce them to vegetables and plants and foods that are grown from the earth, and taking away the inflammation. So that's what my cleanse is

Elissa Goodman 4:59 all about.

Jay Shetty 4:59 Why, why do people need to go on a cleanse?

Elissa Goodman 5:02 It's because most people eat unhealthy. You know, they eat way too much processed food. They eat bad seed oils that are out there. We're eating out a lot. You know, we're stressed, so we're not even thinking about what we're eating. We're eating on the run. There's just, like, a lot, there's just, the foods out there are, have chemicals in them and are toxic. So I think that, you know, everybody's, like, not feeling well. They're not energized. Brain fog is huge. Digestive issues are on the rise. Autoimmune issues, like we talked about. Cancer. You know, all of it. Diabetes. Um, and so they need to be reset. They need to have, you know, someone kind of help guide them. And when you can deliver it to them so they don't have to cook it and don't have to meal prep it, it's the ultimate.

Jay Shetty 5:48 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 5:49 How often do we need to go on a cleanse, and how long does it need to be? How does that impact?

Elissa Goodman 5:54 It's, that's a also great question, because you can do my cleanse weekly. So because if you're... It's mostly plant-based. There is a bone broth, but if you're vegan, you can do a vegan broth. But people have d- I had a client on there for a year and a half and couldn't get off of it, loved it, until she moved to London. So she just... Like, it's just really healthy food. So it's really, cleansing is, it's not about, you know, the detox and, like, like, deprivation. It's about just feeding the body and nourishing it and giving your microbiome what it needs, the prebiotics, the probiotics, you know, giving the cells what it needs. Plant-based food is, as you know, being what, you know, how you eat, it, like, it, it really absorbs quickly into the system. Animal protein takes a long time to digest, and I do eat some animal protein, but plant-based food goes through the system, absorbs really quickly, um, and can give you energy really fast.

Jay Shetty 6:53 Mm. It's fascinating to me, isn't it? Because I think a lot of us are walking around, as you said, not feeling well, not feeling good, and we start to think that's normal. And I remember feeling that way, where I just thought it was normal to get a headache, or I thought it was normal to have m- have calf pain, or I thought it was normal that my gut wasn't healthy. Like, I was just like, "Oh, that's normal. I'm getting older," and I'm not even that old. And it's like you just keep thinking, "Oh, this is normal. It's okay."

Elissa Goodman 7:23 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 7:23 And you almost don't realize how good you can feel. And over the last couple of years, I've changed a lot about my diet, about my sleep, about my wellbeing routine, and I feel better than I've ever felt, even better than five, six years ago-

Elissa Goodman 7:37 Yeah

Jay Shetty 7:37 ... when I was younger. And you're someone that I think inspires so many of us in seeing how, uh, and I know you're working on a new book, too, called Pro-Aging Hacks, and the ability to stay

Jay Shetty 7:47 healthy for longer. Talk to us about the moments in your life. As I was talking about in the introduction, you've gone through so much personal struggle and pain, which has shifted you in this direction. So does that mean before that you didn't eat healthy-

Elissa Goodman 7:59 Right

Jay Shetty 7:59 ... and that you didn't care? Walk us through that-

Elissa Goodman 8:01 I know

Jay Shetty 8:02 ... Elissa Goodman that we don't know.

Elissa Goodman 8:03 Yeah. It was, you know, when I was born, I was born with this low white blood cell count. So that was, I'm gonna be 64 in two weeks. So, I mean- [laughs]

Jay Shetty 8:12 Congratulations. That's amazing

Elissa Goodman 8:13 ... that was 60 years ago, and no one knew about how to build the immune system. So, like, fast-forward, I was sick all the time. You know, I had two parents that were really type A. And as a teenager and a young 20-year-old adult, they were running circles around me. So not only did I physically feel bad, so I was eating a lot of sugar, caffeine, you know, just trying to keep my energy up, but also emotionally I was a little distraught because I'm like, "How are these older, you know, parents running circles around me, and I can't even keep up with them?" Mentally, it did a number on me. And so I kind of just, like, you know, tried to keep up with everyone, and I was living the fast track. I was, you know, I, that's what I grew up with, making money, you know, being successful. M- moved from Arizona to New York, you know, worked in the advertising business, was just working around the clock, no sleep, and really eating really poor. Um, alcohol, entertaining, all of that. And I just felt crappy all the time. And at one point, when I met my husband and we got married, I said to him, "We're moving west." And basically, he was like, "New Jersey?" Like-

Jay Shetty 9:21 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 9:21 ... "No." I go, "No, we're going to California. I need sunshine. I need a slower way of life," 'cause I grew up in Arizona. And, um, thank God for that, 'cause when I landed in California and I got this fantastic job with Vogue Magazine, I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma. So I got all the accumulation of all my stress and not feeling well and eating really poorly, was the cancer.

Jay Shetty 9:45 And how old were you then?

Elissa Goodman 9:46 I was 32.

Jay Shetty 9:47 Wow.

Elissa Goodman 9:47 I know. So I was, I was getting a massage. I f- like you were saying, I felt crappy all the time, so I didn't know what, you know, feeling good felt like. And I'm sitting there getting a massage with, like, sitting upright, and the masseuse felt a lymph node on my collarbone. And she's like, "That's not okay. You're not supposed to have a swollen lymph node there." And so basically, next thing I knew, it was cancer. And I got really lucky. The masseuse was fantastic to find it early. And then I found this doctor who I went to, a radiologist, who said, sat me down and was staged by that time, and he said, "You know, are you happy? Do you love what you do for a living? Do you love your life? Do you love yourself? You know, what's your stress like? What's your sleep like?" That was 30 years ago. Doctors still don't say that today, which blows my mind, 'cause cancer is on the rise and all of these things. So, like, he s- I, he made me feel at peace. Like, he goes, "We gotta get your emotional wellbeing back in control and, like, get you to a better place," which I did. I dove into all of that. And then I dove, I became a vegan. And it w- I was really lucky. I was in California, and there was Mrs. Gooch's before Whole Foods. So the food, you know, there was a grocery store that was beautiful and organic. Organic meats, everything was, like, healthy, farm to table. And then I went and juiced all the time. I juiced every single day and did all the modalities here, yoga, you know, self-help, um, went to see a therapist, and I got my shit together.

Jay Shetty 11:15 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 11:16 Thank God. Um, and then I went on to have, you know, two really healthy girls. And but after, I did do some radiation. I chose not to do the chemo 'cause of my immune system, and I knew, my instincts told me that that was gonna take me down. So I did half of the radiation- My oncologist fired me because he said, "You're not doing what I'm supposed to, what I, what I'm trying to tell you to do." And so I found someone to do half the radiation, and the radiation gave me hypothyroidism, gave me Hashimoto's, ce- celiac, all these other illnesses, anxiety, things that I hadn't had before, um, insomnia. Uh, so I basically, like, the radiation was awful, but I basi- went on to have the girls, and then 11 and a half years later, I, my husband was diagnosed with cancer. So it's a crazy time. I mean, I got really healthy for that period after the cancer and for a while, and then I kind of went back into the unhealthy world a bit more. I didn't stay on that track. And so when he got cancer, you know, I realized, oh my God, two parents who have cancer. And watching him pass away in a year and a half, that's when I, I really took it seriously. After he passed away at 45, I'm like, "This has to be serious." And that's, like, basically when I realized, you know, I have to really get healthy 'cause I didn't have any energy. I was, like, my stamina was low because life with him was really crazy for a year and a half, in and out of the hospital. So, and I watched him go from a healthy man to a very unhealthy, you know, and pass away of fungal pneumonia. So it, it, the cancer didn't get him. It was his immune system.

Jay Shetty 12:59 Hmm.

Elissa Goodman 13:00 And I followed the protocols of, like, healthier eating and all those modalities when I was sick, but he didn't do that as much. He really was scared, and then he just did what other, what the doctor said. So it was, like, a very different story. Um, so thank God, like, then that's when I took it a step further, and I really started getting healthy. And so ever since, now, you know, years later, almost 18 years later, um, I feel better than I did when I was in my 20s-

Jay Shetty 13:28 Hmm. Wow

Elissa Goodman 13:29 ... 'cause of all the modalities.

Jay Shetty 13:30 Yeah. Thank you, thank you for sharing that because I c- I ca- I can't even begin to imagine what a challenging journey that is personally and then in a relationship as well.

Jay Shetty 13:40 What, what have you found and what have you discovered as you've been studying? Because I think, you know, a lot of people will say, "Well, no, I need to get the radiation. I need to do what my doctors are saying." You obviously had a different confidence and an intuition around how you wanted to heal yourself, and I think ultimately it comes down to how people want to heal themselves. What have you found works at different stages? What have you seen across other patients, uh, who are struggling with cancer? Like, what, what have you seen? What have you witnessed and observed?

Elissa Goodman 14:11 It's been fascinating, Jay, because I have seen stage four heal ca- cancer heal without using Western modalities, and it really is a mindset, as you're tuned into. You know? It's de-stressing. It's, like, releasing trauma. It's really getting into your subconscious and rewiring it. It's believing in yourself and having the confidence that you can heal from anything. I do believe you can heal from anything almost. So I feel like you, we gotta believe it, and most people don't believe they can. And most p- people don't believe that they love themselves. They don't admire who they are. They don't love themselves. Their self-esteem is low. So I would say that is the biggest thing. When I ask clients all the time, you know, when they have cancer, "Do you love th- yourself?" And they're like, "Oof, no one's asked me that question." And I'm like, you know, that's something we really gotta work on. You know, do you have peace in your life? Those are the things that totally changed my life, all of those things. Finding love, finding peace, you know, you know, not labeling myself a sick kid 'cause I had labeled myself and all the people around me as a, you know, young adult, I was a sick kid 'cause I was always getting sick. So we label ourselves, you know, when we have trauma in those early years or we're just not in a good place, you know, growing up. We do label ourselves, and those are the things we've gotta rewire.

Jay Shetty 15:36 Hmm. Hmm.

Elissa Goodman 15:37 I have found that to be number one. You know, one of my favorite books, Radical Remission, Radical Hope, um, by Kelly Turner, you know, the Heal documentary, all those things are beautiful in terms of, like, talking about that. And also just then I would say it comes to the food. Food is medicine, as we know. So people, you know, eating, nourishing, you know, vegetables, plants, you know, foods that are grown from the earth, that's where, you know, from the sunshine, like, energy-wise, that's a beautiful thing. Um, I've always been a big juicer for 30 years, [laughs] and I've been juicing ever since. I've taken some breaks, but I almost can't live without it. And so juicing greens has been, like, I think a lifesaver for me.

Jay Shetty 16:20 Hmm.

Elissa Goodman 16:21 You know? 'Cause I feel like that's my multivitamin.

Jay Shetty 16:23 [laughs] So let's break this down for people now so that they can practice it.

Elissa Goodman 16:26 Right.

Jay Shetty 16:27 So you've been a

Jay Shetty 16:28 juicer for so long. Walk us through how to juice, what to juice, why to juice, and what the benefits are-

Elissa Goodman 16:34 I know, 'cause there's-

Jay Shetty 16:34 ... for a beginner

Elissa Goodman 16:35 ... I know. 'Cause there's a lot of, like, controversy about juicing.

Jay Shetty 16:38 Yes.

Elissa Goodman 16:38 It's like all the nutrients are taken out of it, you know, first, right?

Jay Shetty 16:41 Correct. I'm hearing that a lot. Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 16:42 Yeah, and the fiber and all of that. But, you know, I was a purist, so I would juice and drink it right away. So I feel like, you know, I was able, and I would do a cold pressed juice. I wouldn't do heat. So that's also it. The nutrients stay intact with the cold press. So I love that. Nowadays I'm just throwing them in a blender 'cause I do love the fiber. Um, so that, you know, doesn't take out the, also the nutrients as fast, and I love having all that fiber. So I think people just don't eat enough vegetables. I'm trying to get clients to eat 10 to cup- 10 to, eight to 10 cups of vegetables a day. And that is, they, their eyes glaze over. [laughs] Like, "How the hell do I do that?" And juicing, you can get four to five easily, throwing them in. And I do cucumber, celery, lemon, ginger, spinach. Super easy things, and sometimes not so expensive. You know, people think it's, like, very arduous and gotta have all those vegetables and, you know, it could be easy. Celery is huge in terms of the minerals. Cucumber is super hydrating, cleansing for the kidneys. Celery cleanses your gut, cleanses your liver. I mean, you know, spinach is full of iron. So ginger is, you know, antibacterial. Lemon. I mean, they're just beautiful things, and I think it just wakes me up every day and, like, gives... And also helps skin and digestion and all of that. So I think it's a beautiful way to start the day.

Jay Shetty 18:05 And you're having that first thing in the morning.

Elissa Goodman 18:06 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 18:06 That's, that's what you have-

Elissa Goodman 18:07 On an empty stomach

Jay Shetty 18:08 ... on an empty stomach.

Elissa Goodman 18:08 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 18:09 Right. And you've just done that for years and found that-

Elissa Goodman 18:10 Years, yeah.

Jay Shetty 18:11 Yeah,

Jay Shetty 18:12 I found that, too. I remember when celery juice became, you know, it had its wave-

Elissa Goodman 18:15 Right

Jay Shetty 18:15 ... which was a few years ago now, I feel. And I remember trying it out, and I've still not found something better than celery juice for ma-

Elissa Goodman 18:22 So you just do straight celery juice still?

Jay Shetty 18:24 Generally, well, I'll probably do, like, celery with a bit of apple in it just to give it a bit of sweetness-

Elissa Goodman 18:30 Right

Jay Shetty 18:30 ... just to make it, like-

Elissa Goodman 18:31 Yeah

Jay Shetty 18:31 ... easy to do so.

Elissa Goodman 18:32 Palatable. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 18:32 Yes, exactly. For me to enjoy it.

Elissa Goodman 18:35 Right.

Jay Shetty 18:35 Usually I would just stick to celery in the beginning-

Elissa Goodman 18:37 Yeah

Jay Shetty 18:37 ... but then I was like, "Okay, I need to enjoy this a little bit." And so a little bit of apple in it would be perfect, but just enough, just enough. Not too much. And, and to me, that's been one of my favorite things that has helped my gut heal so much.

Elissa Goodman 18:49 Right. Right.

Jay Shetty 18:49 And, and I find it to be such a powerful practice, so it resonates.

Elissa Goodman 18:52 Well, who brought the celery juice craze on was the Medical Medium, right?

Jay Shetty 18:55 Yes. We've had him on the show, yes.

Elissa Goodman 18:56 Yes, and years ago, I was working with him as well, and he was the one who really did help me get past my autoimmune issues. So I started the celery juice, like, four or five years ago when it all just started, and, you know, I was wondering, like, "Why is this celery juice so powerful?" And I started clients on it as well, and I realized there was a, like a, like a little bit of a trick to it in terms of it's super hydrating. And I find that hydration is, like, really an epidemic right now. Dehydration is crazy, and celery has, is full of minerals. You know, and also, like, is great with prebiotics and things like that, but the mineral content in celery is huge. So people are drinking the celery juice wondering, like, "How am I feeling so good?" But it's hydrating them.

Jay Shetty 19:43 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 19:44 So people just don't get up in the morning, and I always say, it kinda blows my mind, I say people, like, have to have a mandatory of two cups of water, just 16 ounces of water, before their coffee or their tea or anything caffet- caffeinated. And they're like, "Well, that's easy, but I don't do it." And then they call me back and go, "Well, that was life-changing."

Jay Shetty 20:03 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 20:03 "Just two cups of water." I'm like, "You paid me to tell you to drink two cups of water? That's crazy." But the celery juice is the same thing. It's super hydrating. When you're dehydrated, nothing works right.

Jay Shetty 20:13 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 20:13 You know? Your adrenals aren't working. Your cortisol and your adrenaline are rising. You know, you're not going to the bathroom regularly. Your brain can't work. You think you're hungry. Like, it really is, like, an epidemic. And we have all this beautiful water at our fingertips, but we just don't have minerals.

Jay Shetty 20:30 You know what? I have not actually thought about that. I don't think we've ever had anyone say that so clearly because it, again, like you said, it sounds so obvious.

Elissa Goodman 20:36 Right. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 20:37 But most of us are not drinking close to enough water.

Elissa Goodman 20:41 No.

Jay Shetty 20:41 And like you're saying, the ven- the minerals that actually come from the earth-grown vegetables that naturally are filled with it and packed with it-

Elissa Goodman 20:50 Yeah, the plants and legumes and be-

Jay Shetty 20:52 ... would not really... Yeah

Elissa Goodman 20:52 ... complex carbs too. People are kind of anti carbs when they wanna lose weight, but they're full of minerals. So, and they also calm the central nervous system down.

Jay Shetty 21:02 What, what are some examples of those?

Elissa Goodman 21:03 Those are legumes and beans, you know, and also, like, I'd say some really good rices, quinoa, sweet potatoes, squash, all of those things. You know, wild rice, black rice. I mean, those are beautiful complex carbs. Also great for the gut as well, so.

Jay Shetty 21:20 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 21:20 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 21:21 Yeah. What have you seen about... Because what we're really talking about here, like you said, the client that calls you up after doing it and says, "I can't believe it worked," and I, "I can't believe I paid you for that," et cetera.

Elissa Goodman 21:31 Right. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 21:32 That, that, that idea, it seems like, and even for you, like, you know, you went through this terrible experience yourself. You know, the radiation caused more challenges. You know, you go through the, the tragic loss of a partner, like, who's, you know, also suffering from this and, and you say that's what wake- woke you up. And I think a lot of us, it's, it's hard to think that a lot of us, and I guess that's why you do what you do, is you don't want people to wait for personal loss in order to get serious about their health and wellbeing. But it f- I find that as humans, we're so bad at changing our habits, and we're so quick to forget even pain. And I remember this, like, not in an, not in an, close to the extremes that you have had, but I've had different reminders in my health-

Elissa Goodman 22:21 Mm

Jay Shetty 22:21 ... where my body's slowed down or fallen apart or I've needed a surgery or whatever it may be. And it's so quick. Like, you know, a couple of months later, you're eating all the stuff again, and you're just happy that you're back to being normal, and you just let yourself go again. And then again, you get another wake-up call. And for me, I think what w- really got me serious was last year I sat down with my doctor who I've had on the show, Darshan Shah, and when we looked at all my bloods and everything, he said to me, "Jay, this is not your fault because your diet seems to be good, but because of your genetic makeup, you're predisposed to diabetes and cholesterol. And so even though you don't eat fried food and oily food and you don't eat, uh, that much sugar comparatively, you're just more predisposed to it." And when I heard that, I was like, "All right, got it." Like, I need to now be serious about my health, and I feel like that was towards the end of last year where I just really got dialed in. But it's almost like a lot of us wait for pain in order to get proactive, and I guess the reason you do what you do is to not let people wait for pain because that's just so ... painful and challenging.

Elissa Goodman 23:24 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 23:25 What have you learned

Jay Shetty 23:26 about habit change when you're working with your clients? What is it that really helps people change? What are some of the hacks? What are some of the habits that have transformed people's lives?

Elissa Goodman 23:34 I- that's so good, I know, because I think since COVID, people are now starting to take their health more serious.

Jay Shetty 23:40 Agreed.

Elissa Goodman 23:40 Thank God for that.

Jay Shetty 23:41 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 23:42 And also, you're right, like, the diabetes is on the rise. Like, blood sugar issues are crazy out of control. So like, when I work with my clients, I would say, like you, what you were saying earlier, you know, with Next Health and all of that, is like, I'm now doing blood work with my cl- every client, I do blood work on. I'm doing really thorough blood work. I'm even doing heavy metals, all the metabolic, you know, thyroid, all the hormones, even if they're young. And I'm seeing such fascinating things. Everybody's blood sugar is too high. It's not pre- pre-diabetic yet, but it's very close. Their thyroid's out of whack. Their insulin levels are too high. Their cortisol is too high. You know, it's wild. Their, they got heavy metals. So, um, they're heading towards health issues. And I feel like that has been the coolest thing lately for me, to be in the last year doing that, because I'm catching these things before they get unhealthy. I know they don't feel good, and they're lethargic, and they're not sleeping well, and they have hormone issues, but there's something behind it if they are eating healthy. You know? Like, there is something physical, like you found. Um, and that has been game-changing. Like, to be able to, you know, get their blood sugar under control, to get their thyroid working again, to also get their th- hormones working better before they even go into menopause has been huge. So I feel like those, you know, those things have been life-changing, the blood work stuff, and doing it once a year, amazing. Um, and, and great for the clients. Like, it's not expensive to do with me. Um, also, then it's about, you know, really one thing at a time. So like we talked about, like, maybe getting them hydrated the first week. Secondly, you know, maybe getting them eating more plant-based foods. Um, of course, the sleep is crucial. Like, people aren't sleeping enough. Um, and also getting them sleeping better and helping them to sleep better. You know, there's a lot of modalities, you know, in terms of getting healthy, but I don't wanna overwhelm them, so I try desperately not to overwhelm them, you know, with giving them too much off the bat. I mean, I am a supplement junkie. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 25:51 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 25:51 I've been, like, dabbling with supplements since I had cancer. Um, now it's a billion-dollar business, and there's too many out there, and there's a lot of crappy supplements out there. So I do feel really lucky that I've dabbled in it a long time, so I know what's good and what isn't. And I had to also deal with it myself, so I take a lot of supplements, and I figure out what works for me and what doesn't, and I muscle test them on myself and all of that. Um, and I try to teach my clients to muscle test

Elissa Goodman 26:18 the supplements on them.

Jay Shetty 26:19 What's a muscle test?

Elissa Goodman 26:19 And they... Okay, so this is fascinating. You have never heard of this, muscle testing?

Jay Shetty 26:22 I don't know. I'm not sure.

Elissa Goodman 26:24 So-

Jay Shetty 26:24 Maybe it's called something else, but-

Elissa Goodman 26:25 I feel like, I thought at Next Health they do that. Maybe not, but you actually stick a supplement, like, on your gut, or you can hold it. Um, and actually, it's kind of like Eastern medicine. You know, either you hold your hand out and somebody pushes your hand down if you're with somebody.

Jay Shetty 26:40 Yes, yes.

Elissa Goodman 26:40 Okay, that's muscle testing. How you do it on yourself is you put it on your gut and you stand, like, kind of like try to balance yourself and stand upright, and then you say, "Hey, is this B complex right for me?" And then your body moves forward if yes and back if no. And then you say, "Should I take one? Should I take two?" And your body tells you everything. It's so in tune. You know, we were born with these incredible instincts, and we lose touch with them, right? Like, we lose touch all, like, along the way with all the things that have gone on in our life, and it's the same thing with food, with supplements, with what we need to do to heal ourselves and where we wanna be in our lives is all instinctual. So the instincts are huge, so I try to teach them that as well.

Jay Shetty 27:28 It's so interesting, isn't it? Because I feel like we've become so distrusting of our bodies-

Elissa Goodman 27:34 Yeah

Jay Shetty 27:34 ... because we've been told to trust someone or something else. And of course, we do need guides. We need experts. We need doctors. Uh, you know, and I'm not discouraging anyone from any of those things. I'm just saying that I think claiming back some of that, in the same way as when you eat something, you know whether your body is accepting or rejecting it based on how it's feeling. And of course, if your digestion is strong, then it gives you the best sense. Sometimes if your digestion is weak, it may not give you the best marker. But

Jay Shetty 28:02 when you're talking about vitamins and supplements, walk us through, in a practical sense, how does someone make a choice? What do they need to read on the back of a, a box or a bottle-

Elissa Goodman 28:12 Yeah

Jay Shetty 28:13 ... with vitamins and supplements? Like, what should they be looking for, and what should they be looking at to make sense of it from a technical standpoint, not just the intuition standpoint?

Elissa Goodman 28:22 Yeah, that's a great question, um, because you wanna have as least fillers and additives in that supplement as possible. It-

Jay Shetty 28:29 And what's a filler and an additive?

Elissa Goodman 28:30 So filler is, like, something that just fills up the supplement. You know, it's like a, you know, crystalline cellulose is a s- is a filler. Um, not all the supplement is gonna be the B complex, but they need other things, you know, to bind the Bs, you know, for the, for you to be able to digest them. So a lot of times, you know... Or like, it's expensive to have the supplement be all, you know, liposomal C or B or whatever, vitamin D. So a lot of times they add the ... the additives so that it isn't as costly.

Jay Shetty 29:04 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 29:04 So it really is a struggle because a lot of people don't do well with these additives, and they don't know that. So microcrystalline cellulose is one that's in a lot of supplements, and it gives you digestive issues if you're taking too many. So you could see a lot of people's supplements, and they can all have micro- microcrystalline cellulose. I mean, it's wild. So it, or soy lecithin, you know, or just these additives, just like in foods, you know? It kind of maintains the shelf life of the supplement as well. So it's hard to find supplements without that-

Jay Shetty 29:35 Mm

Elissa Goodman 29:35 ... 'cause they're costly, and a lot of people can't afford that.

Jay Shetty 29:38 Right.

Elissa Goodman 29:39 So that's why, you know, I try to go more, like, with the food and that, you know, lead with the food and then supplements come second.

Jay Shetty 29:47 Right.

Elissa Goodman 29:47 But there are some supplements out there that we absolutely do need. You know, vitamin D is one of them. I mean, since COVID, the studies that have been done on vitamin D, and especially liposomal D, 'cause liposomal is a phospholipid outside of a, you know, supplement and basically is better to absorb, easier to absorb, like liposomal C and liposomal glutathione, all those things. And so basically, you know, D h- when you raise your D levels, you can lower your cholesterol. Actually, you raise your D levels, it's better for your immune system. It's better for cognitive function. People don't realize that there's a vitamin D cell receptor in every cell in your body. So, you know, there's that. It's omega-3s. It's, you know, it's magnesium. Like, there's certain things out there, B- B complex for stress.

Jay Shetty 30:36 Yeah. I don't, one thing I definitely didn't realize until I really got on a good regime of supplements and vitamins was just how much harder I was working to feel good.

Elissa Goodman 30:45 Right. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 30:46 Like, it was, I, I just thought it was a mental battle.

Elissa Goodman 30:48 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 30:49 And so I was fighting the mental battle every day-

Elissa Goodman 30:52 Yeah

Jay Shetty 30:52 ... with meditation and mindfulness and everything else, and then I realized, [laughs] I was like, actually, I would've been a much better meditator if I just took [laughs] supplements and vitamins early on because then your body's actually helping you with that focus and with the physical activity or movement and exercise, right? Whether it's hiking or sport or whatever it may be. And it's so funny, now that you're naming all these things, I'm like, I've seen all these things [laughs] on the backs and never known what that means. And it's so easy to just feel so uneducated, and I've definitely felt that way in this space. You know, without having good people around you, it's so hard to really know whether what you're doing is good for

Jay Shetty 31:29 you or not. Walk us through, like, if we took a random stack of snacks right now, and I don't want to pick on any-

Elissa Goodman 31:36 Right

Jay Shetty 31:36 ... brands or anything like that in any way, but if you were to teach someone how to read the back of a snack pack, what should they be looking out for? Because this is something that I believe has changed the way I snack.

Elissa Goodman 31:49 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 31:50 And I generally, I'd say my diet is, like, maybe, I don't know, at this point, like, 5% processed or packaged foods in any, if, if that. Probably when I'm traveling, I'll have, like, a protein bar that I travel with or something like that. But generally, it's, it's not. I'm, I'm on the whole foods diet and everything else. But it wasn't that way before. I used to think that if I ate healthy snacks, then that was okay. So I would eat packaged goods, and then 50% of my diet was packaged goods or, or maybe 30%. Walk us through what we should be looking out for because I think so much is hidden on these.

Elissa Goodman 32:26 Well, it's the same thing as the supplements, you know? There's a laundry list of things on the back of the snack, you know, box or bag or whatever that you don't even recognize, right? Like, it's just, I mean, there are, like, you know, certain dyes that are bad for us, and, like, going back to the soy lecithin, like, soy lecithin is really bad for us. Processed soy-

Jay Shetty 32:46 I see that everywhere. It's so funny. I've pronounced that wrong-

Elissa Goodman 32:49 Yeah

Jay Shetty 32:49 ... for the, my whole life. Now that you've told me otherwise.

Elissa Goodman 32:51 I mean, I love soy-

Jay Shetty 32:52 Yeah

Elissa Goodman 32:52 ... whole soy products but, you know, when it's processed down to that, it's bad. It's like the bad seed oils. That's omega-6s and 9s and, like, really causing inflammation. So again, if it's a laundry list of things that you [laughs] don't recognize, like, that kind of is a no-go. I mean, you know, we're, let's talk about some of the things we know like plant milks. You know, they're, they've been huge for years, right? Um, now there's, thank God, there's better, healthier plant milks out there. They're just almonds and sea salt, um, and water. Like, those are the things to look for, something that's just simple. Even the cheeses, you know? I, I do love some of the plant-based foods and cheeses and some of the fake meats, but again, they could have a lot of bad stuff in them.

Jay Shetty 33:37 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 33:38 So it's like, you know, I somet- you just gotta go for the less is more. Even the protein bars, too. You know, every so often it's not bad to have some of these things that do have these, you know, all these things in them because you're kind- not gonna be perfect. But I would say 75% of the time, 80% of the time to try to look for, you know, those things on the back and just try to do things with less additives.

Jay Shetty 34:04 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 34:05 Because your system doesn't know how to process it. It doesn't know how to digest it. And the more you add these additives into your body, I think more toxic you become.

Jay Shetty 34:15 Mm. Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 34:15 And also the digestive system. Like, the digestive issues are crazy out of control.

Jay Shetty 34:21 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 34:22 Like, I created a digestive cleanse because it's been, like, everybody has digestive issues. Everybody calls me, like, "My di- every time I eat, I get bloated. I, you know, I can't eat anything now," or, "I can't go to the bathroom," like the constipation for days on end. Like, it's really crazy. Or the other side of it, where they're going to the bathroom too much. Um, that's an epidemic, like the hydration.

Jay Shetty 34:45 Yeah. So you're saying when you're looking at, if you're outside, you're looking for snacks and products, it's like less ingredients-

Elissa Goodman 34:51 Yep

Jay Shetty 34:51 ... simple ingredients and real ingredients, basically. Things that you actually know what they are. If you don't know what they are-

Elissa Goodman 34:56 Right

Jay Shetty 34:57 ... that's probably a sign that... And the problem is it doesn't taste as good, though.

Elissa Goodman 35:00 No, it doesn't. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 35:01 Like, [laughs] you know.

Elissa Goodman 35:02 Sometimes.

Jay Shetty 35:02 I had a protein bar the other day 'cause I was at Expo, and I had a protein bar, and I was like, "Oh, great." Like, this literally had three ingredients on it. I was so excited to eat it, and I tried it, and it was so bad compared to the one that I've been programed to love-

Elissa Goodman 35:16 No

Jay Shetty 35:16 ... which has all the other 30 things that you'd say I shouldn't eat and are not good for me. And it's so frustrating because I'm like, I wish I was trained to believe that- ... whole natural foods were tasty and healthy, whereas because I've been so spoiled by, my taste buds have been ruined by all of this other stuff that now feels captivating and exciting and tasty-

Elissa Goodman 35:40 Yeah

Jay Shetty 35:40 ... that's-

Elissa Goodman 35:40 Most of America has.

Jay Shetty 35:41 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 35:42 You know, right? I mean, the sugar in these things, like, you know, there's a lot of sugar in these bars and in these milks and cheeses or whatever it is because things don't taste so great when they are on that simple side. You know, there's a lot of salt, there's a lot of sodium, so to make them taste better.

Jay Shetty 35:59 Mm. Walk us

Jay Shetty 36:01 through, so walk us through the core needs that people come to you with. So you said they do a, there's a gut cleanse. Walk us through the different cleanses that people-

Elissa Goodman 36:07 The cleanses

Jay Shetty 36:07 ... need in their life.

Elissa Goodman 36:08 Um, so the regular cleanse is really, I'll tell you a little bit about what's on it. Um, there's a detox tonic on it with coconut kefir, which is a probiotic drink. So-

Jay Shetty 36:18 I love coconut. It's so good

Elissa Goodman 36:19 ... I am a big fan of probiotics and I love coconut kefirs, Cocoyo, and there's a lot of great products out there on the market. Then it has chlorophyll, apple cider vinegar, lemon, ginger in there. And then there's my homemade super seed bar. Um, then you basically get a bone broth or a vegan broth. Um, our bone broth is really gelatinous, and so there's a lot of collagen, which I love. And then we get, you get different salads for the week, different salad dressings, fermented vegetables. You get different soups for the, for the nighttime, and then you get lattes for the evening. Then you also get digestive enzymes and you get magnesium, so to make sure that everything's working properly. 'Cause people going from an animal protein diet into a plant-based, legumes and beans can disrupt their stomach, and also a lot of vegetables can as well. So there's that one. There's a three-day-

Jay Shetty 37:10 So with that one-

Elissa Goodman 37:11 Yeah, yes

Jay Shetty 37:12 ... how, walk us through, so are you encouraging people to not have dinners in that? Is it like the light-

Elissa Goodman 37:16 The soup is dinner.

Jay Shetty 37:17 Yes, right.

Elissa Goodman 37:17 Or they could have soup for lunch and do the salad for dinner.

Jay Shetty 37:20 Right.

Elissa Goodman 37:20 So it's not super strict. Um, a lot of people who exercise a ton will add a little bit of animal protein, you know, to the meal potentially, and it doesn't take you away from the cleanse. So again, you're just getting tons of vegetables. You're getting anti-inflammatory, you know, nourishing, nurturing foods. So, um, that, you know, that one is like my regular one that has been going on for nine years. Sometimes it blows my mind because the tonic's been on there for nine years. The bar's been on there f- like, it's crazy that things are still popular. Um, people buy the tonics and the bars separately. And then the gut cleanse has, um, activated charcoal on there. So-

Jay Shetty 38:00 What, walk us through that

Elissa Goodman 38:01 ... what, activated charcoal, so I love activated charcoal because it lowers bacteria loads in your gut.

Jay Shetty 38:07 Wait, how do you eat activated charcoal? Or what is-

Elissa Goodman 38:09 You take a pill.

Jay Shetty 38:10 Right, okay.

Elissa Goodman 38:10 You can, you can put it in a drink and, you know, you could to- put it in the detox tonic, um, or in water or whatever. But you take, it's a pill. It's a very strong pill. Um, and I have found when I had insulin-resistant clients who couldn't lose weight, lo- you know, weight-resistant clients, their insulin was high, their gut bacteria was too high. So I would put them on five days of activated charcoal and lower their insulin levels, which was, like, fantastic. So that's how the gut cleanse came about. So they get activated charcoal. They still get the enzymes. They get the magnesium. Um, but they get chia pudding. They get sauerkraut. They still get the, um, detox tonic. They don't get the bar 'cause a little too much sugar. Um, I don't want sugar for them 'cause of the bacteria. And then they get everything else that's pretty similar. And the nighttime is a tulsi tea. Um, you know that. Holy basil is one of my favorites. It's anti-inflammatory and great for the gut, great for sleep. Um, so that's my, that's the other cleanse that I love. And so what I'm trying to do for people is really clean them out. Um, my, those clients are the ones that have a little bit of constipation issues, like aren't going to the bathroom regularly. Um, and they're, by the end of the week, they're going two and three times a day.

Jay Shetty 39:20 Wow.

Elissa Goodman 39:20 Like, it, that's another crazy thing.

Jay Shetty 39:22 Wow.

Elissa Goodman 39:22 'Cause people go one-

Jay Shetty 39:23 Just in five days, yeah

Elissa Goodman 39:24 ... one, yeah, once a day, they, that's co- considered constipated these days.

Jay Shetty 39:28 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 39:29 It's crazy.

Elissa Goodman 39:30 So-

Jay Shetty 39:30 Walk us through that because that's always, like, an uncomfortable topic for people.

Elissa Goodman 39:33 I know.

Jay Shetty 39:33 Or it's something that people don't talk about. But I mean, I don't think we've even f- we're getting to the point of understanding how important the da- the digestive system is.

Elissa Goodman 39:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:44 And how often should be people going to the restroom? What, what, what should be the healthy way of, um, going about that area of their life?

Elissa Goodman 39:54 Well, you know, once a day is good. Twice is great. Three is perfect. So we really, because we don't get enough fiber, because we don't get enough hydration, because we're stressed, 'cause when we're stressed, our digestive system completely shuts down, um, we are not being able to digest our food. So als- and also we're eating a lot of animal protein, so it takes, you know, 14 hours to get through the small intestine, cow and, and animal protein, and 90 minutes for plant-based food, which is crazy. So we're just-

Jay Shetty 40:26 Wait, wait, say that difference again

Elissa Goodman 40:27 ... yeah, so for plant-based food, it takes 90 minutes to get through the small intestine. For cow and animal protein, it takes 14 hours. So we're, you know, we're eating eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch and salmon for dinner. Like, so we're just, like, not that it's bad for you, but we're just, we're not getting hydration. We're not getting fiber. You know, we're stressed.

Jay Shetty 40:46 If you're not doing all the other things.

Elissa Goodman 40:47 We're not o- doing the other things. We're not sleeping. Sleeping is very detoxifying and helping us with our digestive system. So, um, yeah, so we're s- we're supposed to be kind of like an animal and going after every meal.

Jay Shetty 40:59 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 40:59 And people are a little bit like, "Ugh, please don't tell me that." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 41:03 Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Elissa Goodman 41:04 I know.

Jay Shetty 41:05 It's, it's interesting

Jay Shetty 41:06 how interconnected it all is, though. Like, you talked about hydration earlier. We're talking about the gut now. Like, it's, it's fascinating because it's almost like, ev- even for me, I was talking to a friend about it this morning, and we were just talking about how, like, we're like, "Okay, we wanna get proteins, but then if I'm eating this," 'cause as a plant-based person, you get proteins harder. It's also that way around, right?

Elissa Goodman 41:24 Right.

Jay Shetty 41:25 So you're trying to get enough protein in your diet, but then it's like, well, maybe that particular item doesn't- ... sit well with my gut and doesn't make me feel good. And so you're also finding that as well, right?

Elissa Goodman 41:35 Right.

Jay Shetty 41:35 Like, it's, it's not as simple as like, "Well, this is really great for everyone."

Elissa Goodman 41:39 Right.

Jay Shetty 41:39 It's so individual.

Elissa Goodman 41:40 Yeah. It's not a one-size-fits-all, right. And I do believe in, you know, if you're vegan, I can help someone get enough protein, or vegetarian or, you know, animal protein. For me, I grew up eating animal protein, so I f- you know, I feel like I need that. And I feel like as I've aged, I feel like I need more amino acids. Um, but sometimes it, certain animal proteins don't agree with me. So I do take digestive enzymes before I eat animal protein so I can digest it.

Jay Shetty 42:07 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 42:08 So, I mean-

Jay Shetty 42:08 What form do you take your digestive enzymes in?

Elissa Goodman 42:10 I love this Enzymedica Digest Gold.

Jay Shetty 42:12 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 42:12 AT Pro is one of my favorites. It's on the cleanse. Um, but you could also get it from apple cider vinegar. You could also get it from bitter greens, like dandelion greens, arugula, um, endive, radicchio. So sometimes I'll just take, take a handful of arugula before I eat a meal. [laughs] It's really crazy.

Jay Shetty 42:29 Wow.

Elissa Goodman 42:29 And it'll wake up your enzymes.

Jay Shetty 42:31 Really?

Elissa Goodman 42:31 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 42:32 That's incredible. I didn't know that.

Elissa Goodman 42:33 I know. Or after a meal, if you kinda have a digestive issue, you could take some arugula and eat it. I know it sounds very strange. But, or have some apple cider vinegar or take an enzyme after the meal. It doesn't have to be before the meal. So there are a lot of tricks that people sometimes don't know, 'cause digestion can be an issue. Um, and I also don't overdo the animal protein. Like, I'm not having, like, 8 to 10 to 12 ounces [laughs] of something. You know, I'm having, like, 3 to 4 ounces. So that's like, you know, 30, 40 grams of protein. So I feel like, um, nowadays protein is the hot topic.

Jay Shetty 43:08 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 43:08 Like, you know, some people feel like you need to get a gram per body weight, but I'm really someone who feels like, you know, 70, 75 grams for women is great. So that's kind of easy to do.

Jay Shetty 43:20 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 43:21 Um-

Jay Shetty 43:21 And of course, it impacts basically on your workouts-

Elissa Goodman 43:22 Exactly

Jay Shetty 43:23 ... and, and everything else that are going on.

Elissa Goodman 43:25 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 43:25 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 43:25 Yeah, and hoping that you do digest, you know, what you're eating.

Jay Shetty 43:29 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 43:29 That's important.

Jay Shetty 43:30 I've, I've found that adding, in the beginning, adding protein to my diet felt heavy on my digestion, but actually, it's now led to better digestion. But it took, it took this, like, transition point where I was like, "God, that's really heavy." Like, it's harder to digest in the beginning-

Elissa Goodman 43:45 Yeah

Jay Shetty 43:45 ... even though it should be helping me.

Elissa Goodman 43:47 Right.

Jay Shetty 43:47 But then I feel like it's, it's just staying committed to it. My digestion's got used to it. Is that natural? Do you find that, or-

Elissa Goodman 43:54 That's the same with legumes and beans.

Jay Shetty 43:56 Right.

Elissa Goodman 43:56 'Cause people will go on the cleanse and be like, "I can't eat legumes and beans."

Jay Shetty 43:59 Right.

Elissa Goodman 43:59 They're not used to that, 'cause they're animal protein eaters, and most of us have been animal protein eaters, I feel like, most people-

Jay Shetty 44:06 Yeah

Elissa Goodman 44:06 ... I talk to. They just don't, they feel like b- beans and legumes are gassy and are hard to digest, but the more you eat them, the easier they are on the system.

Jay Shetty 44:15 Right.

Elissa Goodman 44:15 Yeah, your digestive system gets, you know, used to it.

Jay Shetty 44:19 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 44:19 Right? It is

Elissa Goodman 44:20 kinda wild.

Jay Shetty 44:20 What are, what are some of the biggest mistakes you see people making when it comes to their health and wellbeing that you've kinda noticed as trends over the years, that these seem to just be the things that trip people up?

Elissa Goodman 44:33 That's such a great question, 'cause there's so many. Um, but I would say, you know, a lot of people are over-supplementing.

Jay Shetty 44:41 Oh, interesting.

Elissa Goodman 44:42 So, yeah, they are, like, on social media, TikTok or Instagram, and they're seeing all these influencers who are great at what they do, but they're promoting all these different products, and they have no idea if that product is right for them, so they're buying it. So I'll, I'll, like, see cupboards and, like, suitcases of people who have all these supplements, and they're taking them, and they don't feel good. They're not really making them feel better. Um, so but the, but the person who's promoting it said, "This is gonna, this is gonna change your life."

Jay Shetty 45:13 Right.

Elissa Goodman 45:14 So that's huge. Also, like, what's also hard is, um, basically, like, following the proto- like, gluten-free, you know? Or, um, not everybody needs to be gluten-free or, like, dairy-free or all of those things. So, you know, or they're not gluten-free, the other side of it. You know, they're just not, like, eating, like, they're not taking gluten out of their diet because it's inflammatory or dairy, um, or sugar. Sugar is a huge one. So, um, people really feel that, um, sugar, you know, they can have a little sugar. Some people can't. So I think food-wise, it's like there's so many misconceptions of what they should or shouldn't be doing, if they should be gluten-free or not, or dairy-free, or maybe, like, you know, should they be, could they have some sugar or not? Just, it depends on, like, what their blood sugar is, what their gut is happening. I'm seeing a lot of that, the supplements. I also see that, um, people are over-exercising-

Jay Shetty 46:14 Wow

Elissa Goodman 46:15 ... too. Like, they're, like, doing Barry's Bootcamp and spin classes, and their cortisol and adrenaline is so high, and they're so stressed, and their adrenals are fatigued, and it's just making them more tired.

Jay Shetty 46:27 That's why you have to be observing the 360, and that's what's so hard about it, because you could look great-

Elissa Goodman 46:33 Right

Jay Shetty 46:33 ... and then still feel terrible-

Elissa Goodman 46:35 Mm

Jay Shetty 46:35 ... and be super stressed out, because you d- it's kinda like, I mean, we were having this conversation offline, which, you know, last night I played pickleball for two hours. It was super physical. I think everyone's, uh, you know, everyone's fitness trackers said that we burnt, like, 1,100 calories last night playing for two hours.

Elissa Goodman 46:55 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 46:55 Uh, but I came back, and my body temperature is really high. And so when I got into bed, and as I was telling you, my AC unit wasn't working, so I couldn't lower the temperature in the bedroom, and my house gets quite hot. So I had a high body temperature, and the temperature of the room was probably, like, 78, which is super high. And so then now it was so hard for me to sleep. And I remember while I was struggling to sleep, I just started s- researching body temperature and why it was hard to sleep and all the rest of it. And, and that's what it was saying. And I was thinking, "This is so interesting," because I could be thinking, "Oh, it's 'cause I'm stressed about something," or, "I've got loads on." And it's like, well, no, it's just body temperature and the-

Elissa Goodman 47:31 Right

Jay Shetty 47:31 ... temperature of my room.

Elissa Goodman 47:32 Right.

Jay Shetty 47:33 And, and it's, it's challenging, because I think that- You know, food is such a source of joy. It's such a source of excitement for so many people, and yet now when you start really getting into it, it can become such a source of stress-

Elissa Goodman 47:48 Mm

Jay Shetty 47:48 ... and such a source of pressure. Like, "Oh, my God, I'm eating too much of this. I'm eating too little of this." Like, "Oh, no, I didn't meal prep this week," and, "Oh, no, now, like, I didn't get it. Oh, I forgot to take my vitamins." Like, I think we're so stressed about being healthy. How have you made sense of that? Because I can find when I'm, you know, when I'm having this conversation, there's a part of me, I've been through the ups and downs of that, where I've been like, "God, I hate dealing with my health," right?

Elissa Goodman 48:12 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:12 Because it's so stressful, and now I'm in a better place with it, but that's taken a long, long, long, long, long time to even recognize that healing journey of realizing I'm doing this because I love myself. I'm doing this because I believe in myself. I'm doing this because I love my body. I love my heart. I love myself, which is why I get to do this. But that has taken a long time even for me. So walk us through

Jay Shetty 48:37 how people can balance that stress to be healthy-

Elissa Goodman 48:40 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 48:40 ... when it should be making us less stressed.

Elissa Goodman 48:43 I know. That's another good one. It's just like this over-supplementing and, like, you know, you walk into Erewhon and you, like, talk about stress. There's all this, you know, healthy, beautiful food, and you don't know what to choose, right? It's like, oh, my God, like, there's so much out there. It's just overwhelm, and I feel like, you know, you've just got to get back in tune with yourself, and you've g- you know, you can't overdo anything. I think you gotta go back to the basics, you know? You just gotta go back to eating real food. Try to do that. You've gotta, you know, if the supplements are disturbing you, just do less. Just do the basics of what you need. You know, a multivitamin, vitamin D, magnesium, just simple things. You've gotta hydrate. You know, you gotta sleep. Like, um, just, like, you can't, like, get all worked up over these things because you're right, you're not gonna do 'em. You're just, like, not gonna do 'em. Like, I f- I find people just being like, "This is way too much." You want it to be simple. You want them to feel better. You want them to see results, so less is more, and I feel like, you know, we have become a society where we're doing way too much, and we just, we gotta pull back. We gotta just, we gotta believe in ourselves. I think, you know, with the meditation, like, I'm a huge meditator, and that's so helpful for me 'cause I'm a type A personality, and I'm always like, go, go, go, and I gotta get shit done. Um, but when I pull back and I meditate and I do yoga and I chill out, like, then everyb- ev- my, my mind tells me what I need.

Jay Shetty 50:21 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 50:22 You know? 'Cause I could do that, too. I can over-supplement. I can, you know, be really, like, uptight about why I went to this restaurant and they didn't have gluten-free pizza [laughs] or, you know-

Jay Shetty 50:31 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 50:32 ... or wild salmon.

Jay Shetty 50:33 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 50:33 I remember ordering that stuff, and my whole family would be like, "Oh, my God, we can't eat with you 'cause you're such a pain in the ass." But now I'm just like, okay, who cares, you know? But I do, you do have to kinda, like, get back in touch with and reconnect your mind with your body and be like, "Okay, what works for me?" You know? I can't, like, you can't, you can't go crazy about this stuff.

Jay Shetty 50:55 Mm. Mm. How

Jay Shetty 50:56 have you allowed yourself to fall in love with yourself and your body and your heart and your mind again and again and again when the body gets older? It changes. It transitions. It shifts. Like, what, what have, what has been, like, your, what has been your, your inner practice-

Elissa Goodman 51:13 Practice

Jay Shetty 51:14 ... to, to keep that?

Elissa Goodman 51:15 [laughs] Do you re- It's, it's-

Jay Shetty 51:17 I'm asking really deeply.

Elissa Goodman 51:19 Oh, okay. Really deeply.

Jay Shetty 51:19 Yeah, yeah. I'm asking-

Elissa Goodman 51:20 Because this is-

Jay Shetty 51:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm asking-

Elissa Goodman 51:21 This is, um-

Jay Shetty 51:21 ... a deep question. Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 51:22 Yeah. This is, um, this is fascinating. Um, but, uh, you know, when I did figure it out, like, at 58 years old, um, I did plant medicine. So I did psilocybin and a journey, and I really did see what my subconscious was doing to me. My subconscious was, you know, still labeling me a sick kid, always fearful. I was looking over my shoulder that another illness was gonna come along the way. I was never gonna be healthy. I didn't even know what calm or self-love felt like, you know? So that really, I saw what I was doing to myself, and I also felt a sense of peace and calm with that. So once I was able to release all of those, you know, subconscious feelings that weren't working for me anymore, I grabbed onto the ones that I was like, "Okay, I want that calm. I want that self-love more," and, um, that's what really got me in touch with it, and then that's when, when I meditate, I can go back to that place where I was when I did some plant medicine to get me past that hump. I had done a lot of therapy. I'd done a lot of reiki, a lot of meditation, a lot of energy healing, crystals, all this stuff, but, uh, that was really the, the place that put me over the edge to really get me to a place where I could recapture, you know, and really find that calmness and happiness, and, like, that's felt so incredible.

Jay Shetty 52:53 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 52:53 That feeling. So I journal a ton. You know, I do have to journal and, and talk about what frustrates me during the day to let go of it, and then I talk about what I'm gra- grateful for. That's huge. The meditation's huge. The yoga's huge. Just, like, also getting out in nature is absolutely huge. I mean, we haven't talked about this at all, but, you know, and you probably do this, you know, getting out in s- morning sun-

Jay Shetty 53:20 Mm

Elissa Goodman 53:20 ... is a practice that is just incredible. Like, it boosts your mood. It actually helps with depression. You know, it helps with the immune system. It helps lower blood sugar and blood pressure, and it's, like, a beautiful way to start your day. The sun is so incredible. So that, those are... And then I just feel, like, so hopeful because the sun comes up every day, right? You know, it goes down. It comes up. It's like, okay, everything's gonna be okay.

Jay Shetty 53:48 Mm. I wanna go back to the plant medicine point-

Elissa Goodman 53:50 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 53:51 ... because-

Elissa Goodman 53:51 Okay

Jay Shetty 53:51 ... I, I love hearing that, and, and I wanna dive into that with you. For pe-

Elissa Goodman 53:54 I didn't know if that was something I could talk about on the show.

Jay Shetty 53:57 100%. 100%. Of course it is.

Elissa Goodman 53:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 53:58 Uh,

Jay Shetty 53:59 for someone who doesn't know what a plant medicine journey looks like-

Elissa Goodman 54:02 Yeah

Jay Shetty 54:02 ... like, walk us through ... what that journey looks like.

Elissa Goodman 54:06 So, um, it is psilocybin mushrooms, and I've done ayahuasca, psilocybin, bunch of plant medicine. Um, and I did it with a shaman, a one-on-one, which was beautiful 'cause I recommend that. Um, 'cause there's a lot of things you wanna manifest and like let go of. Um-

Jay Shetty 54:24 Where did you go to do this?

Elissa Goodman 54:24 I did it at home actually.

Jay Shetty 54:26 Oh, wow.

Elissa Goodman 54:26 With the shaman-

Jay Shetty 54:27 Amazing

Elissa Goodman 54:27 ... came to me.

Jay Shetty 54:27 Oh, amazing.

Elissa Goodman 54:28 And, um, and so it was a friend of mine, and there was just a lot of stuff I was dealing with and some insomnia at the time. And so he came and we kinda manifested what I wanted to release. And when I was on the journey with the, with the mushrooms, um, he would talk to me and say, "Hey, how are you feeling? You know, what do you think of this, you know, when you were sick or when you had cancer, your husband died?" I mean, and it w- I was like, you know, wow, that was a really difficult time that I haven't let go of. Those thought patterns and the fear, I haven't let go of that. So it was... So he was like, "Okay, what does it feel like if you were to let go of that?" And I'm like, "Can I let go of that? Is that like possible?" And he's like, "Absolutely. You can get to the other side of this." Because, you know, the first seven years of our life, our subconscious is fully downloaded. And then, you know, those thought patterns keep repeating themselves in our su- in our subconscious. And we operate 95% out of our subconscious, which always blows my mind, Jay, 'cause 5% conscious? That's crazy. So I mean, that's, that's what it did. He would write down, you know, things I said and just how I was able to release them. Um, and once I was able to release them, Jay, they didn't come back. Like, it was like, the, the things that came back was the feeling of the peace and the love and like not wanting to beat myself up and like be hard on myself. And b, I was a perfectionist, too. That was part of the protocol I think that got me sick. And so that perfectionism, you know, fi- somewhat left me, probably not 100%, but a lot of it did.

Jay Shetty 56:10 You're taking the plant medicine.

Elissa Goodman 56:11 Yes.

Jay Shetty 56:11 Someone's guiding you-

Elissa Goodman 56:12 Yeah

Jay Shetty 56:12 ... almost like in a therapy session-

Elissa Goodman 56:14 Yes, totally

Jay Shetty 56:14 ... a coaching session, guiding you through questions and-

Elissa Goodman 56:16 Yeah

Jay Shetty 56:17 ... helping you become aware of where some of these blocks may be, where some of these challenges may be. I'm breaking it down for-

Elissa Goodman 56:23 Right, right

Jay Shetty 56:23 ... everyone who may, may be unaware. And then

Jay Shetty 56:26 what does releasing in that session look like? Like, what, what is that? Is that a feeling? Is it a visualization? Is it, is it you trying to let go? Like, what does that, what does that look like in the session? And then we'll talk about after.

Elissa Goodman 56:40 Yeah, that's a good question, too, 'cause, um, it, it could be a, like it could even... It's a purging. It's, you know, you could hysterically cry.

Jay Shetty 56:49 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 56:50 Um, because it's like, it's emotion that you've hung onto for many, many years and, you know, repeated these thought patterns. So it could be crying, it could be screaming, it could be, you know, just like this feeling of, "Wow, I can't believe I've done this to myself." And I would say that, you know, it's more like the, just the feeling of sadness and, and the crying and the, like some maybe yelling, like, "Goddamn, I can't believe, like how was I so hard on myself? Like, I don't need to be that hard on myself. You know, I didn't need to do that to myself." So it was like, you know, and then he was, he's amazing. He was there to like hold me and support me and just really like, you know, add just love and help me breathe through it. And once you kinda like are able to be like, "Okay, I don't want that anymore in my life," and then you breathe through it and you're able to... Breathwork is like, you know, I'm sure you've done breathwork, is incredible. You can g- actually f- in breathwork you can feel like you're on plant medicine a lot of times.

Jay Shetty 58:00 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 58:00 So, you know, breathing through it and releasing it through breathwork is a beautiful thing. So that's-

Jay Shetty 58:05 And, uh-

Elissa Goodman 58:05 ... kind of how it goes.

Jay Shetty 58:06 Yeah. Now are you feeling or seeing?

Elissa Goodman 58:09 Both.

Jay Shetty 58:10 Hmm.

Elissa Goodman 58:10 You could see yourself in a distance, like what you do to... You know? It's almost like an al- you know, another... You're looking at yourself.

Jay Shetty 58:19 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 58:19 Yeah, you're feeling it and you're seeing yourself in a distance, you know, how you're reacting and interacting. And even if you're interacting with other people, you know, even people in your family or things that have gone on, you can actually see it. It's kinda wild.

Jay Shetty 58:36 Wow. And when-

Elissa Goodman 58:36 I know it's not for everybody, but [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:37 No, no, no, no, no, for sure. I, I, I've, I've known many clients who've worked with it and, and found it to be useful as well. I think it's important to share because I wanna ask, when

Jay Shetty 58:48 you come out of it, like when, when the se- when the, when the session is, is over, how much have you found that you're able to... What are you holding onto? What do you take with you? And what still stays the same?

Elissa Goodman 59:02 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 59:02 Because as we know, it's, you know, no change is ever miraculous or immediate. So, so what do you take with you and what still exists and is a process?

Elissa Goodman 59:13 That, that's beautiful, too, because what I took with me was that sense of calm and like self-love and what I wanted to have more in my life. But I did also take away, you know, the part of how much I was beating myself up and, you know, how hard I was on myself and what I ha- and why I think I had gotten all these illnesses and why I'd gotten the cancer and just why I was at the place I was in my life where I wasn't getting what I really wanted ultimately, whether it also was with relationships or, you know, intimately. Like, all those things were really important to me to find and, you know, there was blockages. So I realized like it was really cool to be able to journal about those blockages later. Like, "Oh my God, I wanna release that." And I kinda had to do that, and I still have to do that. It, it's not a miracle cure. I still in my life have to be like, "Okay, I need to release, you know, that thought pattern." I still kind of walk around a little bit with it, but not to the same extent. When I did the journey, I was unconscious about it.

Jay Shetty 1:00:17 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:00:18 Now I'm conscious.

Jay Shetty 1:00:19 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:00:20 That's a beautiful thing

Jay Shetty 1:00:21 Absolutely.

Elissa Goodman 1:00:21 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:00:22 It's that awareness-

Elissa Goodman 1:00:23 Right

Jay Shetty 1:00:23 ... of, yeah, you know where something came from.

Elissa Goodman 1:00:24 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:25 What was it for you, if you

Jay Shetty 1:00:26 don't mind sharing, what was it that you found when you asked, like, "That's why I believe I'm gonna get sick again," or, "That's why I got sick in the first place?" Where, where, where was that coming from for you?

Elissa Goodman 1:00:33 That was coming from, like, growing up because when I was, I was sick all the time, and my mom, you know, labeled me a sick kid, and she would always be like, "Ugh, there she is again, sick." You know? Like, "Well, we gotta be really sensitive with her 'cause, you know, she might get sick." Um, and so I kind of just, you know, followed that, you know, what she said, and I bas- that's where, that's really where it came from. It was those years, those early years of always being, you know, not feeling well.

Jay Shetty 1:01:03 Mm, mm. And then, and you're saying that also helps you then deal with challenges that come today.

Elissa Goodman 1:01:10 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:01:10 Like, that awareness helps you make sense of different things that come up now.

Elissa Goodman 1:01:15 And also with my clients. Um, not only for myself, it's changed my life completely, but my clients, I can see that happening for them. You know? Because I've been through all these health issues and because I was, you know, in the subconscious thoughts of these repeated messages that weren't working for me, we talk about that. You know, I'm like, "Okay, what is going on with you that's blocking you? 'Cause there's something blocking you from getting healthy or wanting to heal," or a lot of the cancer ones, you know? We talk about those things, and also they're also like, "No one's asked me that. You know, no one's asked me what my blockages are or, it, you know, what's going on with me." Like, did anything happen in those first seven early years of your life that maybe was traumatic? Jay, all of them had, like, death, divorce, you know, or someone was mean to them. You know, they didn't... And then they lost trust and faith in the universe, sort of. You know, I know it's a little woo-woo, but-

Jay Shetty 1:02:15 No, no, no

Elissa Goodman 1:02:15 ... they did. They lost faith in, like, you know, that they didn't have what's in them to be able to overcome it.

Jay Shetty 1:02:22 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 1:02:23 And I think, like, that has been, like, a beautiful thing for me working with clients-

Jay Shetty 1:02:27 Mm

Elissa Goodman 1:02:27 ... and helping them heal. I can't, I'm not trained to get them past it. You know, someone like you can get them past it [laughs] to some degree. Um, but you know, it's like that work of, you know, diving into the subconscious. And I also, I work with a hypnotist that's beautiful and some energy healers that are wonderful, too, and I'll send them to them as well if they need to, like, do the extra work, and most of them do.

Jay Shetty 1:02:51 What do you find those modalities support? And, and by the way, I agree. I think, I mean, you know, what we're really talking about today, and I encourage people to follow their own intuition and guide as to what speaks to them because as, it's almost like as you grow and learn more, you realize how much there is still to explore and how everyone's so different, and, you know, everyone needs a different way to become aware and a different way to become conscious. Like, I found a lot of my personal awakening and consciousness in meditation and being with my teachers and listening for hours and study and practice, and then I meet people who needed a, you know, moment of revelation through plant medicine, or I meet people who found it another way. And, and I just realize everyone is so different, and everyone's trauma is so different, and everyone's healing journey looks so different that we can't close the door on any of these modalities because... And, and I always say that. Like, sometimes people ask me, like, "Would you be open to this?" And I'll be like, if I needed something, if I was trying to unblock something, I'd be open to anything because I should be. Like, why should I close off from any opportunity for healing that I need, uh, just because it may not be as common or, or as, uh, or as marketed or whatever, whatever the right word is. But,

Jay Shetty 1:04:08 but for you, I guess the question I was asking is when you're... We're, we're talking about this, like, 360-degree approach. When you talked about hypnotism, and what was the other modality you just mentioned?

Elissa Goodman 1:04:21 Just energy healing, you know.

Jay Shetty 1:04:22 Energy healing. So specifically with hypnotism-

Elissa Goodman 1:04:24 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:04:24 ... like, where does that modality play into everything we've talked about today? Like, what is... Because I, again, I think it sounds so mysterious, and maybe, like you said, woo-woo, but, like-

Elissa Goodman 1:04:33 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:04:33 ... what is the point of that modality is, I guess, the question I'm asking.

Elissa Goodman 1:04:36 So I feel like some hypnotists that are really good are able to tap into your subconscious as well. So a little bit like therapy, but, you know, it goes much deeper than talk therapy. Um, the hypnotist that I work with, she's able... Like, I'll talk to her about something that is bothering me or I can't sleep about, and she's like, "Oh, this is what's, like, at the root of your issue." And I'm like, "How did you know that?" [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:05:03 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:05:03 She can, like, dive in and see, like, this is what's bothering you. Um, so that's what I f- find is really helpful. And then she'll do a meditation specifically for me. So I've had tremendous amount of clients go to her or to a hypnotist that's really good who don't eat healthy, who don't exercise, who don't sleep well. So then they'll go, and she's able to get them to sleep well. W- you know, she's able to find out what is causing them not to sleep well, and she's able to get them to eat healthy. Like, it's kind of crazy. They'll wake up the next day and automatically start thinking about eating healthy. Now, I have to tell you that this doesn't last, so you have to listen to her meditations again or see her again or, you know, again, it's like a practice.

Jay Shetty 1:05:51 Well, because basically what you're saying here

Jay Shetty 1:05:53 is that we're re- w- every decision, thought, choice we make is simply a programing of our subconscious, and we've created a subconscious pattern since we were born that has led us to where we are now. And if we don't like where we are and we wanna shift it, we have to reprogram our subconscious mind, and that requires understanding your thoughts, self-awareness, journaling, meditating, reflection. And then if you need it, plant medicine, hypnotism, what- you know, just, just the plethora of, of options there because I think what we get stuck with is we believe that our current set of habits are who we are. Right? We think that the way we eat now is who we are and what we need and what it needs to be, not realizing that it is simply a programmed pattern that you adopted at one point in your life and you started to believe it was you.

Elissa Goodman 1:06:49 Oh.

Jay Shetty 1:06:49 Right?

Elissa Goodman 1:06:50 Yeah, absolutely.

Jay Shetty 1:06:51 Yeah, yeah.

Elissa Goodman 1:06:51 Absolutely. Like, that's what, that's what's so fascinating, I think, about what I get to do. 'Cause I do find that, you know, people do feel like, you know, "This is where I'm gonna be. This is what I know. This is, you know, I'm not gonna ever get past here. Um, I might get a little better, but I might not get great."

Jay Shetty 1:07:11 Yes.

Elissa Goodman 1:07:11 And I'm like, "What's with this little better? You need to be great." Like, I feel that way m- with my life. Like, at 64, I feel great. I feel better than I did when I was in my 20s. Um, so I want people to, like, know that, you know, when I say, "How are you?" I want them to say, "Great," not, "I'm just okay." So yeah, that, you know, all of those patterns that they learned, some are luckier than others that have better patterning and, you know, better upbringings in terms of just, like, healthier lifestyles. Um, and maybe not so, you know, they were more secure and, you know, self-awareness earlier on in their life, which is lucky for them. But a lot of people that I work with weren't.

Jay Shetty 1:07:55 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 1:07:55 And, like, you- it's never too late to change, you know? I feel like, you know, we're- there's a lot of years to live, right? I mean, my mom is 94. I know. So, like, she's going strong, and I'm like, "I hope I'm 94 and going strong like that," you know? But it takes work to get there and to do that, and I feel that's really just all of this, I want... You know, the modalities are endless out there, as you know. You know, like anti-aging-

Jay Shetty 1:08:25 Mm-hmm

Elissa Goodman 1:08:26 ... and just all of the new stuff and the stem cells and the, you know, NAD and just everything, cold plunge, and just all of it is a beautiful thing. Infrared, just getting us healthier and healthier. So, I mean, it's a lot to, like, learn, but it's kind of cool that, you know, we're on the precipice-

Jay Shetty 1:08:46 Mm-hmm

Elissa Goodman 1:08:46 ... of all these beautiful things that can really turn back the clock.

Jay Shetty 1:08:50 Absolutely.

Jay Shetty 1:08:51 Have you ever talked to your mother about the sick kid label?

Elissa Goodman 1:08:55 Yes. Yeah. And, you know, it was beautiful because she did apologize. She's like, "You know, um, I didn't know any different," and she- which she didn't. You know, she didn't know, and I think that, um, you know, a lot of us like taking care of people too, and she loved being able to take care of me when I was sick-

Jay Shetty 1:09:14 Mm-hmm

Elissa Goodman 1:09:14 ... too, and I felt m- I felt nurtured-

Jay Shetty 1:09:17 Mm-hmm

Elissa Goodman 1:09:17 ... in those times as well, so I got a little something out of it.

Jay Shetty 1:09:20 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 1:09:20 It wasn't all bad. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:09:21 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Elissa, it has been such a joy to talk to you today, and honestly, your personal journey that's led to so much professional service and love and support for so many people, and the amount of insight that you've given today, I think everyone's gonna be able to take away, and this is what I would encourage everyone to do, is Elissa's shared so much great advice today. Find just one thing that you wanna practice for the next seven days. It may be to eat more whole foods. It may be to cut out sugar. It may be to research a bit more about inflammation and learn about it. Like, I think just pick one thing that resonates with you that you want to try and up-level your life with. It could be getting your vitamin D right. It could be sun exposure, whatever else it may be, and start there and just feel the confidence shift from doing one thing per week, and then keep adding more, uh, and a lot can

Jay Shetty 1:10:17 happen. Elissa, we sh- end every episode of the podcast with a Final Five. These Final Five have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

Elissa Goodman 1:10:26 Oh, God.

Jay Shetty 1:10:26 And so they're capped that way. Uh, so Elissa Goodman, these are your Final Five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

Elissa Goodman 1:10:35 To love yourself, to learn to love yourself.

Jay Shetty 1:10:39 Beautiful. Uh, second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

Elissa Goodman 1:10:43 That you're never gonna get better.

Jay Shetty 1:10:45 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:10:46 You're not gonna heal.

Jay Shetty 1:10:47 Mm. Uh, question number three, what's something that you used to believe was true about good health, but you don't think so anymore?

Elissa Goodman 1:10:57 I used to believe that just sleeping was gonna get me healthy. You know? Good sleep was gonna get me healthy.

Jay Shetty 1:11:07 Talk to me a bit about that.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:08 And it's not just that. It's-

Jay Shetty 1:11:10 Anything.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:10 Right. It's not just one thing.

Jay Shetty 1:11:12 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:13 It's a combination of things.

Jay Shetty 1:11:14 Yeah.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:14 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:11:14 And, and we're always looking for that one thing. [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 1:11:16 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:11:16 Like, we all want that one miracle drug.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:19 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:11:19 Like, "What's that one thing I need to do that's gonna change my life?"

Elissa Goodman 1:11:22 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:11:22 And yeah, the, it's 360. There is no one.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:24 Right.

Jay Shetty 1:11:25 Yeah, that makes sense. Question number four, what's the first thing you do every morning and the last thing you do every night?

Elissa Goodman 1:11:31 The first thing I do every morning is probably journal, and, uh, journal about w- how I want my day to look like.

Jay Shetty 1:11:38 Mm-hmm.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:38 And the same thing at night-

Jay Shetty 1:11:40 Beautiful

Elissa Goodman 1:11:40 ... to release the stress.

Jay Shetty 1:11:42 Mm, wonderful. And fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Elissa Goodman 1:11:50 I would say just be kind to yourself and others.

Jay Shetty 1:11:57 Mm.

Elissa Goodman 1:11:58 You know? Um, really understand, try to understand that people are going through a lot in their life, and to not judge right away. You know, to have some self-compassion for yourself and the others that you're with.

Jay Shetty 1:12:15 Yeah. I, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. I really be- I really believe that the reason we judge others so harshly is because we're so harsh on ourselves, and we haven't found the ability to show ourselves that self-love, that compassion, that empathy, and so it's so difficult to show it externally to people we've never met or don't know. And yeah, I love that. Elissa, is there anything that I haven't asked you that was on your heart and mind that you really want to share that you really feel like is your call to right now or feel intuitively is, is important?

Elissa Goodman 1:12:51 Um-

Jay Shetty 1:12:52 And you don't have to have anything. I'm just-

Elissa Goodman 1:12:53 Yeah, I mean, I think we did touch on it. You know, it just ending with the fact, you know, that you, you know, life can get better in every way, emotionally, physically, spiritually. You know, don't give up on yourself-

Jay Shetty 1:13:10 Mm

Elissa Goodman 1:13:11 ... is probably my biggest, you know, don't ever, ever give up on yourself.

Jay Shetty 1:13:16 I love that. I mean, you're a great, you're a great, uh, spokesperson for that, for sure, and I, I love that energy. I think it's so easy to be like, "Oh, my best days are behind me. It's all going in the wrong direction now," or, you know, whatever it may be. And I mean, just sitting with you and hearing from you today, I can tell just how real the opposite of that is for you, and it's aspirational inspiring for me, for sure, because yeah, you, you continue to live an exciting life and know that there's so much more life to live-

Elissa Goodman 1:13:47 Mm

Jay Shetty 1:13:47 ... as opposed to accepting that this is the end or, or this may not be. And I think

Jay Shetty 1:13:52 it's really interesting. I was talking to a friend about this, this idea of how we often think we manifest bad things.

Elissa Goodman 1:13:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:13:59 Kind of like your sick kid approach. Like, we often think like, "Oh my God, I did this to myself." And I was talking to a friend about this and this idea of like, well, if we can do that to ourself, then we surely can do the opposite. What, what... I just want to get your sense on that.

Elissa Goodman 1:14:13 Absolutely. I know. That, that's a big, that's a big thing happening out there. I mean, you know, um, I'll just... I kind of, I need to plug my two girls who are my inspiration in my life. And, um, you know, I feel like mani- I, like, manifested the relationship with them. Like, I can't live without them, and I look up to them, and I admire them. And, you know, I want to, uh, be here to be a spokesperson for them so that when they have bad days and they say maybe something like that, "Hey, I think I manifested this bad stuff to happen," I'm like, "No, you can change that. You know? You can manifest the good stuff in your life." And that's really drives me every day, is to be able to, like, hopefully be there for them to help them manifest the good stuff. Yes, I know that a lot of people feel like they manifest the bad things, but you're right, you can totally change it around. And, you know, I... And they're young, and I definitely didn't have the awareness they have at, in their 20s. I wish I did. [laughs] I'm really bummed about that.

Jay Shetty 1:15:19 [laughs]

Elissa Goodman 1:15:19 Um, 'cause I am really in awe of how they function and operate and, you know, how quickly they can turn things around for themselves. Um, and I think they've been through a lot. Probably that's why. But, um, yeah, the manifesting the good stuff. I want them, and, you know, when I'm not here later in my life, you know, I want them to be able to, be able to do that easily.

Jay Shetty 1:15:42 Mm. I love that. Well, I think you set them up for amazing success. Uh, and, uh-

Elissa Goodman 1:15:46 They set me up. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:15:48 Yeah. And I, and I didn't start talking about them because I could have spent the whole episode-

Elissa Goodman 1:15:51 I know. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:15:52 ... talking about Jordan, so I don't know.

Elissa Goodman 1:15:54 I know. True.

Jay Shetty 1:15:54 Um, but yeah, but thank you so much, Elissa, for coming on to On Purpose. Uh, everyone who's been listening and watching, make sure you share your favorite insights, moments. I mean, today was a full 360-degree conversation. We went from gut health to detoxing to cleansing to plant medicine, and it's, it's beautiful when this happens. And I hope that you're introduced to new modalities. I hope that you allow yourself to be open to new approaches. Again, we're not recommending that there's one right approach or a wrong approach or however. The point is to give you a menu of options and ideas and opportunities because the biggest loss in life is feeling like you only have one way to do something, and when that way doesn't work or you've tried it a lot and it still doesn't benefit you, that's when we mostly give up. And I think recognizing that there's a whole variety of options, ideas, insights, expertise out there actually fills you with more confidence that you'll find your way. So-

Elissa Goodman 1:16:53 Exactly

Jay Shetty 1:16:54 ... thank you so much, Elissa

Elissa Goodman 1:16:54 Thank you for having me.

Jay Shetty 1:16:55 Thank you.

Elissa Goodman 1:16:55 What an honor. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:16:56 Such a joy. Thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Amen on how to change your life by changing your brain.

Speaker 1:17:05 If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over 1,000 convicted felons and over 100 murderers, and their brains are very damaged