These Kids Are TELEPATHIC! They Can Read Minds, See Auras & Speak to The Other Side! | Ky Dickens

1. 0:00 – 1:37

   Intro

   1. KDKy Dickens0:00

      It was remarkable to be in that room and see someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again. When you see it, you can't unsee it. One of the best remote viewers was the Burbank [laughs] police chief. CIA was in his office and saw that he had, like, marked on a map where submarines were. Well, that's alarming.

   2. JSJay Shetty0:17

      Have you listened to The Telepathy Tapes?

   3. SPSpeaker0:19

      Non-speaking children on the autism spectrum are able to read the minds of people.

   4. SPSpeaker0:26

      It is mind-blowing.

   5. KDKy Dickens0:28

      Have you heard of The Telepathy Tapes?

   6. SPSpeaker0:29

      I hope that you go listen to these tapes.

   7. JSJay Shetty0:32

      If you want to watch a mind-blowing documentary, you need to see this.

   8. SPSpeaker0:36

      Ky is the host of a new podcast series called The Telepathy Tapes.

   9. JSJay Shetty0:40

      Please welcome Ky Dickens. How would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

   10. KDKy Dickens0:45

       Telepathy historically is reading someone's mind. You know exactly what they're thinking. That's what I thought this was at first. Parents started saying right away, "This isn't just your telepathy. We think we might be sharing a consciousness." Know languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible? Or tell the future and can accurately predict something that's gonna happen. The amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child was wild. But I think we are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else.

   11. JSJay Shetty1:11

       What have you found in your research looking at animals and telepathy?

   12. KDKy Dickens1:15

       That is a beautiful element to this. There are mental fields around certain animals.

   13. JSJay Shetty1:19

       I was gonna ask you about the connection between dreams and telepathy. Has there been any connection there?

   14. SPSpeaker1:28

       The number one health and wellness podcast. Jay Shetty.

   15. SPSpeaker1:32

       Jay Shetty.

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       The one, the only Jay Shetty.

2. 1:37 – 5:50

   Life Before The Telepathy Tapes

   1. JSJay Shetty1:37

      Who were you before you dove into The Telepathy Tapes? Before you dove into this work, tell me a bit about who you were, what you believed, what you valued, and what your system of thinking was.

   2. KDKy Dickens1:50

      I was a social justice filmmaker. So I was working on documentaries that were really diving into complex social issues, right? To drive change. So whether that was healthcare access or paid family leave affordability and access. Just things like this that were not in the spiritual realm at all. And I've always been very curious. I've always been a seeker. I've always had a deeply spiritual side of myself that was a bit gun-shy around organized religion, 'cause I've also seen the pain that's caused. But I was just plowing forward with doc films that I was trying to make a difference around. And The Telepathy Tapes, entering that world, and being immersed in the lives of non-speakers for the past three and a half years has completely altered me, [laughs] every fiber of me. Um, and it's made me see the world entirely differently.

   3. JSJay Shetty2:36

      Can you tell us how you first discovered it? Because like you said, your work was somewhat different-

   4. KDKy Dickens2:41

      Yeah

   5. JSJay Shetty2:41

      ... to what this is now.

   6. KDKy Dickens2:43

      Yeah.

   7. JSJay Shetty2:43

      And I wanna know how it first came across your table.

   8. KDKy Dickens2:46

      So as a documentary filmmaker, what often happens is before you even get funding for a project, you might be working and researching and immersed in this world for two ... I mean, for months, if not years, right? And so you have to really love what you're looking at. And right in between, after my last film, I had just moved to California, was trying to figure out what I was gonna do next, and then I lost two very good friends in the prime of their lives. Like, the type of people that, you know, they lost ... They, they left kids behind. Just unbelievable people. And I had a friend stop by to bring flowers, and she's not deeply religious. She's just very well-read, and I would say she's spiritual. And she said to me, "You know, they're just right here." And I'm like, "What do you mean they're just right here?" And she's like, "They're just right here." And I thought, "How can you say that with such conviction?" And she said, "You just start reading. If you start reading, you'll see that all the material is out there around where we're going, what we're doing, what this all means. A lot of research has been done." She knew I had kind of had a science mind. And she goes, "So just start looking." So I made a commitment at that moment. Okay, I don't know what I'm doing next for my next project, which I thought was gonna be a film at the time. But whatever it is, I wanna answer these big questions. I don't want it, it to be about social issues in America anymore. I want it to be about human issues and why we're here and what we're doing and what this all means. 'Cause I was trying to figure out where are my friends. [laughs] And I started diving into books about animal consciousness, uh, plant communication, Ian Stevenson's work around reincarnation and children, and was reading everything I could get my hands on, and that also included listening to some podcasts. And there's one I loved called The Cosmos & You. And they did an interview with Dr. Diane Hennacy Powell, who was a neuroscientist, uh, Johns Hopkins educated, Harvard. She had worked at Harvard. Who had been studying widespread claims of telepathy in non-speakers with autism. And I ... Something hit me like a lightning bolt, and I always feel, I deeply believe that if something is intended for you, it won't miss you. And in that moment, I just thought, "This is ... Whatever is here, this is it. This has the answer." And I think part of it too was the, my brother's, uh, high-functioning on the spectrum. And the thing that I know, just my own experience with autism, is this sense of telling the truth. [laughs] You know, there's not a lot of, um, jockeying for ego-driven purposes. There tends to be a deep truth-telling, which is one of the most beautiful things, I think, about autism in some respects. And so I felt the messengers in these, in this case are the most, uh, trustworthy and unassuming. So that kinda led me down this path.

   9. JSJay Shetty5:12

      Had you always felt that way about all your projects before as well, that there was always this very clear ...

   10. KDKy Dickens5:17

       I think most of my films, uh, that are self-driven ... You know, there are some that are work for hire. Someone just has you direct it.

   11. JSJay Shetty5:23

       Sure.

   12. KDKy Dickens5:24

       But the ones that I generate tend to be deeply personal, deeply specific. I'm trying to answer or heal something. But there were two films that I've made where I remember, or projects where I would actually start praying through it. Like, "If I'm going to die, just please let me get to the finish line of this, because I'm intended to do this. If I don't make it, then ... " It just feels so big, and this was one of those pro- There was two in my life, and the first was my first film, Fish Out of Water, and this one.

   13. JSJay Shetty5:47

       Wow. To describe for someone who doesn't know anything about this,

3. 5:50 – 8:01

   Is Telepathy Real?

   1. JSJay Shetty5:50

      how would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

   2. KDKy Dickens5:53

      Telepathy historically is, right, reading someone's mind. You know exactly what they're thinking. So, or h- you could hear their thoughts as though someone was speaking it And that's what I thought this was at first, and I thought there could be a scientific explanation around the, you know, when often a sight is, uh, muted, other senses heighten. Um, and in this case, it feels a lot deeper, and in fact, a lot of the parents started saying right away, "This isn't just sheer telepathy. We think we might be sharing a consciousness or there's some sort of merging going on. It feels deeper and much more complex than simple mind reading."

   3. JSJay Shetty6:27

      Wow. And is it mind reading their feeling everything from, as I've heard and seen, of like numbers and places and letters, or is it also emotions and feelings and... What are, what are we seeing that spectrum be?

   4. KDKy Dickens6:41

      Yeah, and I think, you know, again, it depends on the, the individual, but f- from a lot of the non-speakers I've met, I'd say the gifts can be varied. There are some parents who will say, "My child will know exactly what I'm doing during the day when they're at school. They'll know what I'm thinking, where I went, who I met with." And what is that? That's not telepathy. That's something bigger. Right? There's some parents who say, "If I..." One of my favorite stories is o- one of the non-speakers, once he started communicating, s- knew all the things there was to know about Harry Potter, or different books, and the parents thought, "How?" And this individual said, "I, I read them through my sister's mind when she was reading them." And so just really [laughs] fascinating things. What's... It's... Is that mind reading or is it like fully? And then there's been teachers who say, "My students have said that they can see through my eyes or hear through my ears, and it feels as though they might be using my neurology in some way. Because their neurology is unreliable, it's helpful and grounding to utilize mine." And so I'm just telling you what other people have told me, and the reports are varied and wide. But something I've heard from many teachers in particular, or parents, is that, like, sometimes the thought will occur and it's like, "Well, where did that thought even generate?" Which makes you wonder, like, is it coming, is consciousness [laughs] coming from a different place and we're tapping into it together? The parents and teachers who are in this world, they just have so many questions. Like, what is this? Because it does feel bigger than typical I'm-reading-your-mind

4. 8:01 – 12:25

   Validating The Theory

   1. KDKy Dickens8:01

      telepathy.

   2. JSJay Shetty8:01

      So wait, did you reach out to Dr. Powell? How did that go?

   3. KDKy Dickens8:04

      Okay. So yeah, I reached out to Dr. Powell and I said, "Look, I'm a filmmaker. I'm very interested in what you've been uncovering. I'd love to get to know you." We did a few Zoom calls, and then I flew up to meet her. And it was wonderful because one of the first things I did is I wanted to see, like, what's the scope of this? And I asked if she wouldn't mind reading some emails off from parents, and of course, you know, HIPAA law, she can't show me the names, but I saw in her inbox, like, the folder of so many emails from parents. And I thought, "Good grief, this is, like, really big." [laughs] And she started reading some of the emails. And of course, I think anyone walking into this has a healthy dose of skepticism. I mean, telepathy seems like a superpower in the Spider-Man movie. It doesn't feel real. And so, but these parents, one after the other, were saying, "Look, I didn't believe my wife and I tested this myself, and I'm a doctor, so h- I couldn't fathom this, but this is real. This is happening." And so many emails from people like that. It's not that they were baked in believing. They were coming to Dr. Powell with their own questions around how is this possible? Can someone answer this for me? And they were coming in from all over the world. At that point, I realized that, like, the only place these people had right now was Dr. Powell's inbox, that most of them hadn't ever met each other. And it felt like the strings weren't being tied together yet, you know? And Dr. Powell has her own practice. Like, she's a researcher and scientist. It just felt like this was so much bigger than h- honestly either of us, and certainly the families. And then I started meeting some of the families. Dr. Powell introduced me to a few. And I wanted to find one that she'd never met before, never tested, to test myself. So same thing. Like, it's hard to believe, and I wanted to not... To pick the place. I wanted to bring my own cues, set it up, make sure that we covered anything reflective so that we could test this and see if it bears out. And it was remarkable to be in that room and see someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again to the point within, like, th- an hour, we were like, "This is not boring," but just, like, it became, "Okay, she can do it. Cool." Like, "Let's try this. Let's try this. Let's try..." You know, just kept kind of pushing the envelope. And sh- this, a young girl, Mia, could read her [laughs] mom's mind. Anything we showed her mom, she could tell you. You know, and then I met more families and more families and kept seeing it over and over and over again to the point where now I'm like, "Well, that's self-evident." And I think the parents are there, too. It's not f- They're like, "We don't need anyone to prove this is happening. We need to know why this is happening."

   4. JSJay Shetty10:21

      That's their question.

   5. KDKy Dickens10:23

      Yeah.

   6. JSJay Shetty10:23

      How are these parents discovering it in the first place? What was their-

   7. KDKy Dickens10:27

      Yeah, I mean-

   8. JSJay Shetty10:27

      What was their process?

   9. KDKy Dickens10:28

      I think the th- to me is, like, the most beautiful, uh, em- part of the story is it's really based in love. I mean, for so many of these parents, they have children that are diagnosed with something that is often, like, very hope stealing in terms of the diagnosis, and I think often there's doctors telling them, "Your child will never be, uh, be competent, won't learn beyond this certain level. They might not connect with you. They won't ever speak." And I don't think these parents are given much hope. And to love someone without getting a lot of, you know, physical or verbal feedback around, like, "I love you, thank you back" is very difficult, so it's the ultimate sacrifice these parents are making. And so many of them have been told, again, their child will never speak. And somewhere along the line, most of them, people at least that we've featured, have discovered spelling to communicate, which is a method for non-speakers to communicate by pointing to letters. And that's a gross motor skill, whereas talking is a fine motor skill. So if you can't talk, it's okay if you can point. Often these parents would see this and think, "That's not my kid because my kid is still, you know, banging their head against the wall or maybe even smearing feces." Just really difficult behaviors. And these parents are thinking, "There's no way it's my kid." Often, like, the deepest leap of hope, not wanting to have your heart broken again, these parents would try bring their child to learn to spell. And it's often time-consuming and such sacrifice and such practice. And their child got there, and there's a point which is called getting open on the board, where you're not just answering a yes or no question or filling in the blank, where you start driving the conversation yourself. And when these children became open- ... f- pretty f- [laughs] you know, pretty soon thereafter they started saying things are about being able to read minds or knowing what their parent is thinking. And of course, when you first hear that, there's kind of that like, "Oh, wait, what? Really?" And, and what happened in most of these cases is the parents would do some tests and do their own experiments, and then end up with a ton of questions. Search about this on the internet. Up until now, there's nothing about it out there, and usually they would find Dr. Powell.

5. 12:25 – 15:52

   What is Apraxia?

   1. JSJay Shetty12:25

      Did Dr. Powell ever explain why this specifically existed for non-speakers?

   2. KDKy Dickens12:30

      No, but I think what a lot of parents believe, and I think teachers too, is that most of the non-speakers that we're featuring have apraxia, which is where your mind and body are not connected. So if you have apraxia and can't control your behaviors, that doesn't get you very far. 'Cause that's a big thing I al- want people to take away is, like, this is not about autism. I, I, I never talk about it as being about autism. It's about apraxia and not being connected to your body.

   3. JSJay Shetty12:51

      Yeah.

   4. KDKy Dickens12:51

      That's the, that's something that's missing. And in fact, a lot of parents are like, "I don't think my kid has autism." We have this big wide tent of how we diagnose this, and people will say it's autism, but no, it's apraxia, and that's the mind-body disconnect. So a lot of it is, like, the diagnosis could be totally wrong too. And that's when I realized, okay, this isn't just, like, a telepathy thing. This isn't about a, a biological heightened sense. It felt to me, and this is where I, I landed, is that this is a spiritual gift and it's a ... and there's a bouquet of them [laughs] that for some reason, the non-speaking individuals with apraxia, the mind-body disconnect, seem easier to tap into. Then during COVID, they had to self-teach their children at home, and then they were shocked at how much their kid knew. But no one ever spent the time to ... Because these, these, m- a lot of the teachers might not have thought their, these people are in there either. So COVID was a huge motivator for a lot of these changes when, where parents saw, "My kid is in there and they can spell."

   5. JSJay Shetty13:46

      Uh, has there been any examples of any parents who weren't communicating with their non-speakers, and then maybe through your work or Dr. Powell's work, kind of become aware of this and then tried to experiment and experience, where they didn't realize that-

   6. KDKy Dickens14:00

      Yeah

   7. JSJay Shetty14:00

      ... their non-speaking child could talk to them in this way by spelling?

   8. KDKy Dickens14:05

      Uh, for sure. I mean, we've had ... Our inbox has been the most delightfully joyful thing because so many of the emails we're getting is, are people being like, "I did not ever think my child could spell. I didn't think they were in there, and then I heard these other stories of parents who felt the same way, and now I'm getting my child to spell." But the best ones are... I mean, they're not the best ones. They're all the best. But another really fun thing that we're getting are videos from parents saying, "My child is spelling. I never thought in a million years they were telepathic. So then I started doing tests, and we tested with four numbers and here's the video they could do it, and here's nine numbers and they could do it, and here's 22 numbers and they could do it." And so those are really fun, that parents are suddenly doing, like, telepathy tests with their kids. And then the other thing that's really beautiful is, um, there's parents who, having listened to The Telepathy Tapes, I think their children realize, "Okay, my parent is open to this." Just like you, you're not gonna go talk about something to someone if you think they're gonna judge you or be scared of you or whatever.

   9. JSJay Shetty14:57

      Of course.

   10. KDKy Dickens14:57

       So what we're hearing a lot on the ground from parents and teachers is that because they listened, the non-speaking student or nephew or child in their life suddenly feels safe saying, "Hey, I can do this too," or, "Here's what's up," or, "Here's all of me. Let me invite you in." And they've said that the world has just expanded in this beautiful way, knowing that that, like, it's a safe space now to be fully who you are.

   11. JSJay Shetty15:21

       Mm.

   12. KDKy Dickens15:21

       Which includes those gifts for some non-speakers. So-

   13. JSJay Shetty15:23

       Yeah.

   14. KDKy Dickens15:24

       And for me, the biggest shock was so many individuals can also know languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible? Or tell the future and, and can accurately predict something's gonna happen, or had information about something they'd never learned. Consciousness isn't at the top of the pyramid of our world, it's at the bottom. Telepathy, psi abilities, precognition, mediumship, all these things that seem like, woo, a little wooby wooby, all make sense because-

6. 15:52 – 17:49

   The Scientific Community's Response

   1. JSJay Shetty15:52

      Up until now, what kind of responses have those questions met?

   2. KDKy Dickens15:56

      I don't know if science has, like, fully done all the research. [laughs] They haven't done any research on this really yet, to my ... I mean, that's not true. There's been telepathy research and psi research and precognition research that's been happening for a long time, which is pretty conclusive. And however, the, the gifts of the non-speakers, I think this is a new, a new frontier for science, and that's one of the ethical things that I think everyone needs to consider greatly is, like, how do we research this? Because what I have found, and if you think of like a Jane Goodall, right? Like, the way she did science is she'd go spend time for months, you know, with the chimps until she finally observed what their life was really like because she immersed herself in it, right? And it's like, if you're gonna go watch a beautiful lightning bug syncing up in nature, you wouldn't bring them into a lab. You'd go and watch and immerse. And my plea is that scientists will take off their lab coats, pick up a letter board, learn how to do this, immerse themselves with a non-speaker, and they will see [laughs] and experience and can ask the questions. Because I think the non-speakers have a lot to offer, and they can talk about this themselves, what's going on. But I've been hearing a lot of chatter online about, like, "Put them in a Faraday cage, and put them in two separate rooms, and do this," and it's like, I don't know if that's gonna be the most beautiful, helpful, empowering way to research this.

   3. JSJay Shetty17:14

      I do appreciate your insight on immersive observation.

   4. KDKy Dickens17:18

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JSJay Shetty17:18

      Especially I, I, I like your analogy of thinking about it as if you're watching something in nature, and you have to see it in its own space and its own habitat and its own environment where it naturally functions and isn't put into this space. And I've always felt and known that there's so much more that we're capable of that we don't know. How do we draw the difference and distinction between this and intuition and some of the other things that we may be more familiar with as a society?

7. 17:49 – 19:31

   Telepathy vs. Intuition

   1. JSJay Shetty17:49

      How is this so different?

   2. KDKy Dickens17:50

      I don't think it is different. And I think that all of these things which, you know, I have learned are called psi abilities, P-S-I, I think come from the same place. And in The Telepathy Tapes in episode six, we really look at the science and how our world has been understood. And everything is this framework of what we call materialism, this idea that what's real is what can be observed and measured. And materialism has dictated our thinking for centuries. And most of materialism is right. I, I don't think it's wrong. We shouldn't throw away our textbooks entirely. However, at the very tippy top of, you know, after you have physiology and biology and psychology and all the things that make up our material world, at the tippy top right now, we have consciousness, and no one knows where it comes from and why it's there. And what I think the theory that many people before me have put forth, and then I believe it, so I put this forth in The Telepathy Tapes, is that consciousness isn't at the top of the pyramid of our world. It's at the bottom. It's fundamental. It comes first. I mean, everything in this office is, was a thought first. None of it was real, and then thought came after. [laughs] And so if you think about it that way, and that consciousness is fundamental, then telepathy, psi abilities, precognition, mediumship, all these things that seem like, woo, a little wooby wooby, all make sense because our tr- truest truth is non-physical.

   3. JSJay Shetty19:11

      How do you define consciousness in that context?

   4. KDKy Dickens19:14

      It is the foundation. Consciousness came first.

   5. JSJay Shetty19:16

      Mm-hmm.

   6. KDKy Dickens19:16

      And the whole physical world came after. It's not that the physical world came first and consciousness came after.

   7. JSJay Shetty19:22

      Mm-hmm.

   8. KDKy Dickens19:22

      And if we just invert the trium- triangle, keep everything else the same in the materialist world, just put the consciousness from the top to the bottom, then we can explain all of this.

8. 19:31 – 24:40

   Remote Viewing Using Psy Abilities

   1. JSJay Shetty19:31

      Mm-hmm.

   2. KDKy Dickens19:31

      And if anyone who's out, out there is like, "I wanna look into this more," you could look into remote viewing. That's one of the most easy to validate psi abilities, which is being able to see something at a location where you're not. And the CIA used that for years. We know that. That's been declassified, you know?

   3. JSJay Shetty19:49

      What do you mean? Tell me a bit more about that.

   4. KDKy Dickens19:51

      Well-

   5. JSJay Shetty19:51

      I'm less aware

   6. KDKy Dickens19:52

      ... this is one of the books I read in, like, trying to understand all of this, is there's a great book by an author named Annie Jacobsen, and it's called Phenomena. And what it was about was the declassified papers from the CIA about their Project Grill Flame and Project Stargate programs, which was really active in the '70s and into the '80s, where they were using remote viewing. And because the Russians were. [laughs] And what that was is they found that some people were extremely good at if you could give them a line of longitude and a line of latitude, they could sit at the Stanford Research Institute in California and tell you or draw a picture of what was there.

   7. JSJay Shetty20:26

      No way.

   8. KDKy Dickens20:27

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   9. JSJay Shetty20:29

      Wow.

   10. KDKy Dickens20:29

       And it's fascinating. And so they did a bunch of research around this and how this is possible, and they would put some of the best remote viewers under the ocean in a submarine to be like, "Okay, well, we know waves can't penetrate that, that deep of water. Like, so what is this skill? Like, is it still possible underwater?" Because telephone signals aren't, right? Cell phone signals aren't. Like, most signals can't go through water. And these remote vi- viewers were significantly accurate, like statistically so, that they could still find targets when underwater. And there's been so much released on that program.

   11. JSJay Shetty21:04

       Wow.

   12. KDKy Dickens21:04

       Yeah. And I think the, one of the best remote viewers was, uh, I believe, a Burbank [laughs] police chief. And someone, FBI or CIA, was in his office and saw that he had, like, marked on a map where submarines were. Well, that's alarming. How does this guy know where the submarines were? And he was like, "I could just see them." And he became one of the best, like, remote viewers in the program. And they did some of these, quote-unquote, "telepathy tep- tai- uh, te- [laughs] tapes," these telepathy tests with another man named Uri Geller. They would have him draw what was in a closed box, and he was pretty accurate. And so if people wanna read that book, like that's a great gateway into this that shows something is happening, something is real. And this program went on for a long time. And they say it's expired. I think it's probably still going on [laughs] in the United States government. But that was remote viewing and using psychic abilities.

   13. JSJay Shetty21:55

       Are there any other programs or things you've come across like that that are used in the modern world in a less-

   14. KDKy Dickens22:01

       Um-

   15. JSJay Shetty22:01

       ... spiritual space, or?

   16. KDKy Dickens22:02

       For sure. Russia, China, the United States have been looking into these psi abilities as very real elements. And of course, they're trying to use it for warfare and spying. I know that there's a lot of people who will teach remote viewing and map dowsing, where you try to go figure out where something might be located on a map, and some people are really good at that. It could be like the ancient whatever, uh, aqueduct [laughs] is, is here. And they can help you find it. And, like, these are things that have ... Map dowsing has gone on for thousands of years where people will know what's underground. How? I don't understand how.

   17. JSJay Shetty22:37

       Mm-hmm.

   18. KDKy Dickens22:38

       But it's a real thing. I did not understand how remote viewing could work, and so I went to a workshop one day 'cause I thought, "I wonder if I could learn this." And this was kind of, like, right in the heart of, like, me trying to s- understand everything, and I was just immersing into anything I could. And so I went to, like, a workshop where they try to teach you how to do this, and I was with one of my close friends. And they said, "Okay, we're gonna do a remote viewing experiment. We're about to pull a slide up, and you all have to draw what's on the slide." And I was like, "A slide? Like, that's not even, like, in the physical world that we can, like, maybe see. How is that gonna work?" And so all these sh- everyone's clo- you know, trying to clear their mind, and people s- after 10 minutes or whatever, I s- look at some of the drawings, and it looks like people were drawing, like, these big circles and stuff. And what I was getting in my head was, like, draw a tree and, like, a little bit of water and the word green and a bird and a sun. And my drawing looked so rudimentary, like something a four-year-old would draw. And then all of a sudden, they show what it was, and it was a peacock. And I'm like, "Okay, so I had bird and green, but I don't think that counts." And then my friend turns over her paper, and on her paper was a tree and a sun. She wrote the word green. She had water. We had the same picture. I have a picture on my phone. And that's when I'm like, "Okay, I don't know what's going on here if we're remote viewing or if her and I just crossed paths and there was, like, real telepathy." Like, we sunk up. Whatever signal it was, her and I had the same drawing. And that's when I was like, "This whole thing is really mysterious." And I finally understood what the parents were talking about. 'Cause I was like, "Did we both tune into the same signal? Or were we sharing and influencing each other? What was that?" But that was an astounding moment for me that made me believe in things like remote viewing.

   19. JSJay Shetty24:17

       Have you and your friend ever tried-

   20. KDKy Dickens24:18

       [laughs]

   21. JSJay Shetty24:19

       ... doing that again?

   22. KDKy Dickens24:20

       No, I should ask her.

   23. JSJay Shetty24:21

       Yeah.

   24. KDKy Dickens24:21

       Yeah.

   25. JSJay Shetty24:22

       That would be really fascinating to sit down again and ...

   26. KDKy Dickens24:24

       Yeah. It would really be awesome to try that again. And for me, the biggest shock was, again, I thought, "Okay, we're studying telepathy. We can do these telepathy tests. We can prove it or, you know, validate it." I guess there's no proof in science, but validate it. And that's what I thought it was, but then

9. 24:40 – 30:57

   Keeping an Open Mind

   1. KDKy Dickens24:40

      when I was immersed with so many of these wonderful human beings and families, the thing that I started seeing and that they start talking about quite quickly, especially the non-speakers, is no, this is bigger than just telepathy. So many individuals can also know languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible? Or tell the future and, and can accurately predict something that's gonna happen. And sure, that could be coincidental or maybe it's not. Or had information about something they'd never learned, be it math or science or even spiritual information. And so many others were talking about seeing beyond the grave, like knowing people and bringing messages through. And that was totally disorienting for me because that was all new. I didn't think any of that stuff was possible. Individuals talking about rocks that had powers. [laughs] I mean, I came into that being like, "Wait, what?"

   2. JSJay Shetty25:28

      Yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it, where it's, it's so hard in our material world to give space for invisible thinking.

   3. KDKy Dickens25:37

      Yeah.

   4. JSJay Shetty25:38

      Because like you said, everything that we look at is so visibly measured, visibly real. We ... That's how we function as a society. Then almost when these ideas start to seep in, it starts to become very challenging. And certain ideas have found their place in the Western world. When you look at things like astrology, and so coming from an Eastern background, astrologers who have incredible abilities rarely exist anymore. But those that in India had these abilities, like you've seen the Western version of astrology evolve, and it exists in some capacity in, in our world. But you find most of these ideas kind of fall by the wayside and don't really have a version-

   5. KDKy Dickens26:20

      Yeah

   6. JSJay Shetty26:20

      ... or, like a lot of astrology can be and is, get labeled as woo woo or just, you know, made up or, or meant to make people feel safe. What was it that gave you so much trust when you were doing these tests yourself that gave you a sense of confidence from being someone who, in your own words, you felt, well, it's not that you came from a spiritual background or this is what you're open to. And all of a sudden you're like, "No, I believe this." Like, what, what did you see? What did you experience that you were like, "No, no, this, this is legitimate"?

   7. KDKy Dickens26:47

      Yeah. And I think the most important thing for anyone walking into this world is forget about the telepathy. Forget about all that stuff. Like, meet the people. And, and when you're talking to parents in particular who are stretched thin, they have so many, um, just daily challenges with working, you know, just helping their children, but actually battling for their children every day to get the education they need, the supports they need, the, the care they need. And for these parents who have so much love and so much sacrifice, and yet there's this other dimension of what the heck is going on, and their sincerity of just like, "We know this is happening. Can you just help us understand why?" And when you start hearing that from parent after parent after parent who don't know each other [laughs] , it's pretty clear there's not a mass conspiracy going on.

   8. JSJay Shetty27:31

      Mm-hmm.

   9. KDKy Dickens27:32

      And so meeting the parents, loving the parents, I mean, they truly are the biggest, uh, most ... They're the love warriors on this earth right now. And then meeting the non-speakers with just such honesty around what's going on. There's no ... It's not ... For them, this is just life. "Here, I'm gonna talk about this. I'm gonna share this."

   10. JSJay Shetty27:48

       Yeah.

   11. KDKy Dickens27:48

       "I'm gonna talk about this." And that became convincing. And then, and then so I think I walked in trusting the parents, trusting the non-speakers, believing that they were telling the truth. And then I think when you are coming t- from a, from a place of belief and trust, th- it's so much more likely for these things to unfold. You know, a lot of, I think, not just me, but scientists would say, like, love is the basis of a lot of these psi abilities. If, if anyone ever has had this moment where something went wrong, it's 'cause you love that person. You felt deeply something happened to that person.

   12. JSJay Shetty28:20

       Mm.

   13. KDKy Dickens28:20

       We have accounts of that from all over the world in history. Or you're thinking about someone you care deeply about, and the second that the phone rings, and it's them. I mean, these links are kind of, I think, based in love, and they're not that rare. We've all had that phone telepathy. And I just want to say this really quick too because I think that, uh, that belief a- as a, as a measure of, like, being able to experience and see some of this stuff, there is space for that in science. We have the placebo effect. That's part and parcel of every, you know, major medical, like, study. Because it's real. Belief and believing in something helps and changes the outcomes. I think if you were to walk in with the non-speakers and think, "I don't believe this is possible. There's no telepathy," I don't think you're gonna see much.

   14. JSJay Shetty28:58

       Hmm.

   15. KDKy Dickens28:58

       But I think when you're like, "I, I trust you. I trust what you're saying is true," I think people are much more likely to be themselves-

   16. JSJay Shetty29:06

       Yeah

   17. KDKy Dickens29:06

       ... and show their full self. And telepathy is part of that in this world. John Paul said that he goes there, and he would put pillows on his head to block out stuff. And then his girlfriend, Lily, said she goes there, and that a lot of people congregate there, and that there's more than one hill. He started coming to her in dreams and being like, "This is a melody," or, "These are the lyrics. You need to write this down." And now he's ... I mean, he's a pretty well-respected musician in England.

   18. JSJay Shetty29:27

       Wow.

   19. KDKy Dickens29:28

       And it's all through dreams. And again, it wouldn't be just one individual. It'd be many saying these things. So at a certain point you're like, "Okay, things have auras, and there's colors." And it tells you how ... if someone's good or bad or angry or whatever. You know what I mean? It was just beautiful.

   20. JSJay Shetty29:41

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10. 30:57 – 35:05

    Savant Skills: Extra Sensory Perception (ESP)

    1. JSJay Shetty30:57

       What had you seen when you spoke to Dr. Powell? Like, what had she seen from a scientific point of view that convinced her that this was real? What research had she found that made it feel so legitimate to her as well?

    2. KDKy Dickens31:08

       You know, I was so impressed with Dr. Powell. I mean, she's a real thoughtful scientist in, in, in this regard, and she was studying, um, savant syndrome at first. And savant syndrome is really interesting. And sh- I mean, her big thesis is ESP should be considered a savant skill, 'cause science as a whole legitimizes savants, that you might know a language or music or math without being taught or exposed to it, and that's pretty wild. [laughs] How does that happen if you haven't been taught it? And so ESP's in the same realm, right? Like, you know something you shouldn't know, 'cause how? How could you know the future? How can you know someone's thoughts? So, um-

    3. JSJay Shetty31:42

       Sorry, could you tell us what ESP is, just in case-

    4. KDKy Dickens31:43

       Oh, ESP is an extra sensory perception, so a, a sense of knowing something without your five senses. So she was studying savant skills, and what was fascinating is some of the parents who had, uh, a quote-unquote savant, which is a troubling word in and of itself for a f- a few reasons we can talk about later. But, like, were saying, "Actually, I don't know if they're a savant. I thought they were because I thought they had every book on my bookshelf memorized, but then I'm learning no, I think they can see through my eyes, or I think they're reading my mind." And she heard that enough times that she started studying that, and lo and behold, in the studies she did, she was seeing what I saw, which was the spear's out. Unfortunately, because so many of our scientific institutions are rooted in materialism and the journals and such, it's really hard to publish papers on this, to get grants to do the research around it, to publish a book on it. And when she published a book and was on her book tour, suddenly s- the board said, "We're taking your license away, 'cause we think you must, there must be something wrong with you." And she had a, you know, petition. She had to go through psychological testing to prove that she was of sound mind. And then she begged them to look at the book, and they realized, "Oh, this is sound science, and she's sound. Okay, you can have your license back, and you can do this." But the trauma is done, because you've had to pay a lot of fees. It hurts your reputation. It comes up on Google. And so I think for a lot of the scientists who are on the f- cutting edge of this too, they've been harmed. Because for me, I believe that at the baseline for science, you should have a freedom of inquiry. You should be able to ask a question and see where it leads. And as a society, we need to ask ourself, well, what is going on? If you can't ask a question because people are afraid of the answer, I mean, that's troubling, and it's also limiting. 'Cause as humans, this is really exciting, that there is a, a very real non-physical world.

    5. JSJay Shetty33:27

       Mm-hmm.

    6. KDKy Dickens33:28

       And I think that's what everyone actually cares about. At the end of the day, like, don't we care if that's, that, that, that has implications for where we're going and why we're here?

    7. JSJay Shetty33:36

       Yeah.

    8. KDKy Dickens33:37

       Yeah, so Dr. Powell, she saw the truth of it, but she also f- ran hard into the, the, the deeply skeptical materialist society and science world.

    9. JSJay Shetty33:47

       What kept her going?

    10. KDKy Dickens33:48

        I mean, I think the same thing. I mean, she laid low for a while after that, you know? And then w- she actually retired when, right before The Telepathy Tapes came out. She's like, "I don't wanna be-

    11. JSJay Shetty33:59

        No way

    12. KDKy Dickens33:59

        ... fined again. I don't wanna deal with all this." And she was ready, but she was like, "This is not worth it." So I think what kept her going is kind of the same thing that, you know, when I hit upload on that first episode, I was like, "I might destroy my entire reputation as a documentarian, as a human being. I don't know what people are gonna think, but, like, this is true, and it's, this truth is worth it." And I think Dr. Powell un- underwent that. When you see it, you can't unsee it. When you're in the room and you experience it, you can't un-experience it. And when you meet these families so full of love and truth and earnestness that are just like, "Someone tell us why. No one is listening," you kind of wanna carry the, the burden for them. You shoulder it for them, 'cause you're like, "You aren't crazy. You're telling the truth. Like, someone does need to listen." And I think Dr. Powell felt that urgency of like, "I will carry your torch." And then I met all of them, and I was like, "I will also carry your torch."

    13. JSJay Shetty34:47

        [laughs]

    14. KDKy Dickens34:48

        And now I think there's a lot of listeners carrying the torch, which is beautiful.

    15. JSJay Shetty34:51

        Yeah, definitely. There are so many people that I've been speaking to about it with since I've been listening, and the conversations that it's starting are actually the most exciting part for me.

    16. KDKy Dickens34:59

        Mm.

    17. JSJay Shetty34:59

        I think the curiosity that it's sparking in people. I was trying to think about actually, when else in society,

11. 35:05 – 37:23

    All Truth Goes Through Three Stages

    1. JSJay Shetty35:05

       when have we had that kind of resistance to something? Like, I don't know if you've looked back, and I'm sure with your research mind, like, have you looked back at times in society where we would've been like, "No, going to the moon is ridiculous."

    2. KDKy Dickens35:16

       Yeah.

    3. JSJay Shetty35:16

       "It's never gonna happen" and then we do it, right? Because that in one sense is outside of our visible world to some degree in terms of before you could see it or now when we talk about, you know, building life on another planet.

    4. KDKy Dickens35:27

       Yeah.

    5. JSJay Shetty35:27

       It's become normalized-

    6. KDKy Dickens35:29

       Yes

    7. JSJay Shetty35:29

       ... because-

    8. KDKy Dickens35:30

       Yes

    9. JSJay Shetty35:30

       ... Elon Musk or whoever will-

    10. KDKy Dickens35:31

        Yeah

    11. JSJay Shetty35:31

        ... talk about these things-

    12. KDKy Dickens35:32

        Yeah

    13. JSJay Shetty35:32

        ... publicly so often.

    14. KDKy Dickens35:34

        Yeah.

    15. JSJay Shetty35:35

        Ha- have you looked at any other times where things like this-

    16. KDKy Dickens35:36

        Oh, for sure.

    17. JSJay Shetty35:37

        Yeah.

    18. KDKy Dickens35:37

        You know, and there's that quote, "All truth goes through three stages. First, it's ridiculed, then it's violently opposed, and then it's accepted as self-evident."

    19. JSJay Shetty35:44

        Mm.

    20. KDKy Dickens35:44

        And I feel like that's one of these moments. And, you know, there's when Mendel first said that genes cause disease. I mean, that was, like, a big moment where people were laughing at that. That seemed silly. Like, little things would go into you and make you sick. [laughs] Now it's self-evident, you know? It was the flat Earth. Like, people believed the Earth was flat for a really long time, and then it wasn't, but people, like, clung to that. I mean, there's still s- a few people out there, [laughs] but like-

    21. JSJay Shetty36:05

        [laughs] There's still a few flat Earthers left, yeah

    22. KDKy Dickens36:07

        ... but, but I think about the material science of now, and I'm like, "I wonder if in 100 years they're gonna ... Clinging to materialism, it's, they're gonna look like the flat Earthers, you know?" But even when the Wright brothers first launched their plane- People didn't believe it. They didn't believe it unless they saw it. They had to go on a tour and fly their little plane all over for people to believe it. So it's not ... This, I think this happens with any big leap, whether it's in science, in spirituality, or whatever it is. And, and this is just, this is the blowback, the anger, the confusion, the trying to find, like, you know, the, the character assassination's gonna come from anyone carrying the thing. That's happened throughout history. That is just part and parcel when you bring in big news, [laughs] I think.

    23. JSJay Shetty36:48

        Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And I, and I almost think that it's at, like, a perfect synchronicity with all of our developments in AI. Like, you know, we're at this precipice where it's like AI is the new frontier. At a very basic level, everyone's now using ChatGPT, and then we're looking at what-

    24. KDKy Dickens37:06

        Yeah

    25. JSJay Shetty37:06

        ... singularity could look like. And we're looking at the tech horizon of all of this advancement.

    26. KDKy Dickens37:11

        Yes.

    27. JSJay Shetty37:11

        And it only makes sense to me that, at the same time, we need this other side-

    28. KDKy Dickens37:15

        Yes

    29. JSJay Shetty37:15

        ... that we're also seeing these advancements in our spiritual understanding-

    30. KDKy Dickens37:19

        Yeah. Yes
12. 37:23 – 40:05

    Consciousness Sharing is More than Telepathy

    1. JSJay Shetty37:23

       far with Dr. Powell's work and what you've seen, what has been conclusively defined? Or when, when people are asking the question, why is this happening, what do we know, if anything right now, of why it's happening?

    2. KDKy Dickens37:34

       I don't think we know yet.

    3. JSJay Shetty37:35

       Right.

    4. KDKy Dickens37:36

       And I, I think it's because there's been such a lack of funding.

    5. JSJay Shetty37:39

       Yeah.

    6. KDKy Dickens37:39

       I mean, that was one of the hopes with The Telepathy Tapes was to get Dr. Powell some funding. And, and she's gotten funding now, which is great. And, you know, I know she wants to look at some MRI scans and some QEG scans. And that's important, 'cause she's looking at it from the brain stuff, which is what a neuroscientist should be doing. And I, I'm interested in doing, like, really good telepathy tests that are visual for, for film. And so many scientists have been reaching out, which has been beautiful since this has come forward, being like, "I wanna work on a experiment or a research." And so I'm trying to get on board, uh, with our team a non-speaking science advisor to kind of help, and then do a round table with a bunch of the scientists who all have big ideas, bring some of the non-speakers in, and have a conversation about, like, what can we test? What should we test? What would be helpful? What are the limitations? And kind of go from there.

    7. JSJay Shetty38:27

       Mm-hmm. Why do you think it's so important? What do you think ... I'm, I'm intrigued to know what you think it would unlock for us by discovering the answer behind this. What, what do you see?

    8. KDKy Dickens38:36

       Well, again, I think it's more than just telepathy.

    9. JSJay Shetty38:39

       Yes, agreed. Yeah.

    10. KDKy Dickens38:40

        A- and there's a, a teacher who has been at this longer than Dr. Powell or me, um, in Wisconsin, who will constantly say, "I think there's a sharing of consciousness. I think there's a linking." And that's a curious question, 'cause if that's the case, that means that consciousness is coming from somewhere else, and that we, like, can beam into it. [laughs] I mean, I don't know. Like, if you think of our body as a television set, right? That will animate and all this stuff, but that's ... It's like, we don't carry the signal. The signal's coming from somewhere else.

    11. JSJay Shetty39:08

        Mm-hmm.

    12. KDKy Dickens39:08

        That's one view of consciousness. Like, that is one possibility. And w- I think the non-speaking telepathy pairing that happens with a teacher or a parent, if we could test through a QEG and figure out, is the message coming in? Like, does ... Is the brain lighting up at the same time in the same place? We might be able to learn something. I'm not a scientist, so I want other people to carry the torch and figure out the experiments, and I hope to create for the film. Like, we're gonna make some spaces where non-speakers and researchers and scientists can talk about it. Um, and then I hope the science just goes forth in a comfortable way for everyone. My biggest concern, of course, is exploitation of non-speaking individuals and their families. Like, it has to be in a way that feels really safe and good for them. And some families want answers. Some are just like, "We know this is happening. This is great. This has changed our lives." Everyone has to volunteer and do what's comfortable for them. But I just ... My go- goal is to get this out there, and so that people would listen to the parents and hopefully believe

13. 40:05 – 42:29

    The Tests Have a 95% Success Rate!

    1. KDKy Dickens40:05

       them.

    2. JSJay Shetty40:05

       Yeah. When you started doing the tests, I, I remember you saying that you were seeing, like, a 95% success rate-

    3. KDKy Dickens40:12

       Mm-hmm

    4. JSJay Shetty40:12

       ... which is extremely high. What were you seeing in the 5% that was inaccurate or incomplete?

    5. KDKy Dickens40:19

       Yeah, and I'm smiling when you said that, 'cause, like, I said 95% 'cause it just felt like the more science-y thing to say. Like, it was actually pretty much, like, 100.

    6. JSJay Shetty40:25

       Wow.

    7. KDKy Dickens40:25

       But, like, when I talk about the 5%, it's because they're spelling to communicate. So sometimes if, like, they were ... If pony was the thing that was on the flash card, maybe it, they spelled, like, P-P, it hit twice, O-N-Y.

    8. JSJay Shetty40:38

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    9. KDKy Dickens40:38

       Or something like that, where it's like, mm, can we count it? We won't count it, because there was a P hit twice, so we would discount it. Again, I'm not a scientist, but in, like, my human mind, I was like, that counted. [laughs]

    10. JSJay Shetty40:47

        Yeah.

    11. KDKy Dickens40:47

        You know? So there is that element where it's like, they wrote the thing. It would be, it would be an, an, an, uh, a tactical error like that.

    12. JSJay Shetty40:55

        Yeah. Right. Oh, wow. So it was, it was literally things like spelling, basically.

    13. KDKy Dickens40:58

        It was like ... Yeah.

    14. JSJay Shetty40:59

        Yeah. Or a double tap, et cetera.

    15. KDKy Dickens41:01

        A double tap.

    16. JSJay Shetty41:01

        Yeah. Wow.

    17. KDKy Dickens41:02

        Yeah. It would be a double tap. I remember in, uh ... When we were doing one telepathy experiment, there was a production assistant that was, like, walking around with Doritos, and then every time they entered room, the room with the Doritos, it's like the test would get disrupted. Like, most the word would be spelled, like bicycle, and then the E would be left off, 'cause it'd be like, Doritos are here, you know?

    18. JSJay Shetty41:19

        [laughs]

    19. KDKy Dickens41:20

        And so stuff like that, we didn't count it, 'cause all of bicycle didn't ... But again, like the science-y part was like, "Okay, we can't count bicycle 'cause the whole world w- it wasn't spelled." But, like, the human being in me was like, "She just wrote bicycle." [laughs]

    20. JSJay Shetty41:31

        [laughs]

    21. KDKy Dickens41:32

        And then Doritos came in the room.

    22. JSJay Shetty41:34

        And what about some of them that could see colors and letters around numbers?

    23. KDKy Dickens41:37

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JSJay Shetty41:38

        Where, where was that coming from?

    25. KDKy Dickens41:39

        Yeah. I mean, so there's something called synesthesia.

    26. JSJay Shetty41:41

        Yes.

    27. KDKy Dickens41:42

        And that is synesthesia, right? You see colors. Um, uh, different senses get tied to different things. With non-speaking individuals, it's really beautiful and interesting. And again, like, broad brush here, so but some of the people I was talking with, um, like one girl says that she sees the colors around each letter. So she doesn't have to see the letter board, 'cause she's pointing to a color. So that's pretty cool.

    28. JSJay Shetty41:59

        Mm-hmm.

    29. KDKy Dickens42:00

        A lot of non-speaking individuals say they see auras, not just around people, but around plants, um, and cut flowers. And they'll see the, they'll ... the aura drifting off as the cut flor- flower's dying. Around rocks. And again, it wouldn't be just one individual. It'd be many saying these things. So at a certain point you're like, okay, things have auras, and there's colors. And it tells you how ... if someone's a good or bad or is angry or whatever, you know what I mean? It was just beautiful the amount of information that was so articulate and so profound that was being shared

14. 42:29 – 46:53

    Finding Your Life's Purpose

    1. KDKy Dickens42:29

       across the board.

    2. JSJay Shetty42:29

       You've dedicated three and a half years to this now, right?

    3. KDKy Dickens42:33

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JSJay Shetty42:33

       Do you feel like it's- ... feels like your purpose. It's become something that's so, I mean, to dedicate three and a half years is a long, long, long, long time. And The Telepathy Tapes you launched fairly recently, like just be- around the holidays or whatever, and to see the incredible success they've had. But it's been so much study and time. What ... I wanna know your emotions and feelings throughout this three and a half years, and then whether it feels like your purpose now.

    5. KDKy Dickens42:58

       Uh, yeah. I mean, no, I think everything in my life has led to this. I think everything has. And it is fully my purpose for being here, and I'm so humbled. Like, what a wonderful, wonderful purpose. And I don't know if purpose is given to us from somewhere else or if it creates your purpose, but, like, my favorite book is Victor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. And-

    6. JSJay Shetty43:16

       Yeah, I love that book

    7. KDKy Dickens43:17

       ... one of the beautiful takeaways in that book, right, is, like, the meaning of life is whatever gives your life meaning. [laughs] And nothing ever to come across my path, outside of the people I love, like my, you know, spouse and kids, but beyond that, like, nothing has given my li- my f- more meaning than this. This, it's, it's, to me, it's answering and picking through the most complex, important questions. So like, what a humbling, beautiful gift to just have fallen into this beautiful world.

    8. JSJay Shetty43:44

       What meaning has it spoken to for you? So what questions has it answered for you, or what questions has it made you ask that you find are so meaningful for us to know?

    9. KDKy Dickens43:52

       You know, for me, it was really a peeling of the onion. And first it was seeing the telepathy over and over and over again and being like, "Okay, I don't need to ask that question. That's fully happening." And then I almost feel like the parents would let me in on things as they thought I was ready. [laughs] You know? So even hearing and understanding that Houston, uh, one of the individuals in to The Telepathy Tapes, understands that, feels rocks so deeply. And that was something that I always just shrugged off. Okay, so if telepathy's real and rocks truly give off, you know, energy and frequency, what else have I dismissed that's real? So I started finding that things that I just shoved away as, like, "That's impossible. This is fake," or, "These are charlatans or frauds," you know, I started coming to terms with everything I'd ever just ignored or dismissed in life and reevaluating it.

    10. JSJay Shetty44:40

        Mm.

    11. KDKy Dickens44:41

        So telepathy, like, yes, okay. Rocks, crystals, now I'm like, "Okay, I have crystal things on my wrist." Like, it's like, yes, those have a powerful thing. And then non-speakers talking about the other side. I mean, that was something that came up a lot. In fact, that often is the first thing before the telepathy is, "This person's here. Auntie has this message for you. You know, th- this person is telling me not, that you sh- tell whoever in India not to buy this land because that land has a bad well on it." And I mean, just the amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child was wild. So-

    12. JSJay Shetty45:15

        That was relevant to the parents' life.

    13. KDKy Dickens45:17

        That was so relevant that would bear out that there's no way their child would know. So then it started making me think, "Okay, we don't go away. Like, there, we're here. Some- the, m- like, it's consciousness survives." I think all of it was a cognitive dissidence of now I fully believe that psi abilities are real, that consciousness survives death, that we are all intimately connected, that love is the baseline for everything, and I think I see the non-speakers as my teacher, not the [laughs] other way around. I mean, they are all of our teachers if people just take the time to listen and meet them where they're at. And, and I think what they would say is love is the most important thing. We have it all wrong. We're all connected. It is bigger than any of us, and that these spiritual gifts are in us all.

    14. JSJay Shetty46:01

        Yeah. I mean, the, the Eastern traditions describe consciousness to have three qualities. Satcitananda, which mean, uh, full of knowledge, which makes sense to what you're saying now. Eternal, endless, and full of bliss, love. And so when you're saying that even through your discovery that potentially consciousness, the idea that there's greater consciousness where there's knowledge or messages being inferred, that comes from that full of knowledge. The idea that you're saying consciousness doesn't die. You used a word there.

    15. KDKy Dickens46:34

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JSJay Shetty46:34

        I've, I've forgot it, but this idea that it's continuous and that-

    17. KDKy Dickens46:37

        Mm-hmm

    18. JSJay Shetty46:38

        ... continues to exist is the eternal part.

    19. KDKy Dickens46:40

        Yeah.

    20. JSJay Shetty46:40

        And then, like you said, it's founded on love is the full of bliss. And so those qualities actually seem to match very coherently with the Eastern spiritual traditions of understanding what consciousness actually is.

    21. KDKy Dickens46:52

        Yeah.

15. 46:53 – 51:50

    Science is Catching Up with Spirituality

    1. JSJay Shetty46:53

       I've always been excited about science catching up with spirituality.

    2. KDKy Dickens46:57

       Yeah.

    3. JSJay Shetty46:58

       And so I love when science can prove the value in spirituality and beliefs or practices that have happened for hundreds or thousands of years.

    4. KDKy Dickens47:08

       Yeah.

    5. JSJay Shetty47:09

       And I've seen it happen with mindfulness and meditation where-

    6. KDKy Dickens47:12

       Yes

    7. JSJay Shetty47:13

       ... you know, these practices have been around for thousands of years. And today, mindfulness and meditation are no longer woo-woo and made up.

    8. KDKy Dickens47:20

       When meditation was first being studied, it was kind of ridiculed as being woo-woo and-

    9. JSJay Shetty47:24

       Even when I first started practicing it, like I first started practicing meditation around 2007, and i- if you talked about meditation to someone in 2007, they didn't really think it was that valuable, or they thought it was just made up.

    10. KDKy Dickens47:37

        Yeah.

    11. JSJay Shetty47:38

        Or if you told someone that breathwork was a way of calming yourself down or, you know, reducing negative thoughts or anxiety, people would have laughed at you. And so I've seen it happen with a few things, and I've always been excited by when science has been able to have the language, the tools, the vocabulary to talk about these ideas.

    12. KDKy Dickens47:57

        Mm.

    13. JSJay Shetty47:57

        I was just back at the monastery that I used to live at in India this January, and I had some of my most powerful meditation experiences nearly 20 years after I first started meditating. And it's hard to explain. Like, it's hard to put into words and, you know, you can often feel, and I'm sure, you know, the non-verbal children, they, they probably feel as well, like how little they can even, you know, through the written word actually explain what they're experiencing or what they're going through. And we can all identify with emotions and feelings like that. Even if we don't believe, know, trust what's going on, I think we've all had experiences where like I have no idea how to explain this, or I have no idea how to put this into words. I've always wanted that marriage between science and spirituality, where science will actually look to spirituality for what to look into. Me and, uh, Andrew Huberman, who's been on the show a few times, will always talk about a lot of the practices he suggests and recommends, like, uh, starting off your day looking at sunlight, which kicks off our circadian rhythm and keeps everything in harmony and balance. Surya Namaskar, which translated as sun salutations, is an ancient practice of looking at the sun when you wake up first thing in the morning, and how that was the way to get your body invigorated. And so you see these similarities in these ancient practices that people have done for thousands of years. They may not have said, "Oh, it's about the circadian rhythm" and-

    14. KDKy Dickens49:18

        [laughs] Right

    15. JSJay Shetty49:19

        ... you know, when you let your... They didn't talk about it like that, but they were these beautiful practices in every tradition that existed because of their value to the human body, the human mind, and the human spirit.

    16. KDKy Dickens49:30

        It's beautiful, and it's all correct. I think you're right. And, and I think science is catching up to some of this stuff because when you look back on things like telepathy, you, you... If you go to most native, you know, groups of people that are still around and thriving, I think they'd say, "Yeah, duh."

    17. JSJay Shetty49:47

        Yeah.

    18. KDKy Dickens49:48

        You know, the sense of being stared at is real. Like, often, like remote viewing to know where the hunt is [laughs] is real. These are things that were part and parcel of survival-

    19. JSJay Shetty49:56

        Mm-hmm

    20. KDKy Dickens49:56

        ... for, for individuals. And, like, we feel re- removed from it, but it doesn't mean that it's hasn't always been there.

    21. JSJay Shetty50:04

        Yeah. Exactly. And, and, and while there are naturally, as always, people who've exploited or lied or pretended or charlatan, whatever, in, in these traditions, naturally, as there are in everywhere, uh, science included and, and everywhere else. It's almost like those people exist because the real thing exists.

    22. KDKy Dickens50:24

        Yeah.

    23. JSJay Shetty50:25

        Because there's someone who can do it for real, and then-

    24. KDKy Dickens50:26

        Right

    25. JSJay Shetty50:27

        ... someone's trying to, you know, do something with it.

    26. KDKy Dickens50:29

        Exactly.

    27. JSJay Shetty50:29

        But that's usually how it works. You only get, uh, this is a terrible example, but that's where my mind's going. You only get fake Gucci handbags because there's real ones.

    28. KDKy Dickens50:37

        Right.

    29. JSJay Shetty50:37

        And that's the idea with research, right? You only get fake something-

    30. KDKy Dickens50:40

        Right
16. 51:50 – 53:13

    Resistance Against Positive Change

    1. JSJay Shetty51:50

       idea that computers would exist in every home was just bizarre.

    2. KDKy Dickens51:53

       Yes.

    3. JSJay Shetty51:53

       Like, people, people were like, "That's ridiculous."

    4. KDKy Dickens51:55

       Right.

    5. JSJay Shetty51:55

       Like, "No one's gonna have a personal computer in their home. What's the need?"

    6. KDKy Dickens51:58

       Right. [laughs]

    7. JSJay Shetty51:59

       Like, that was, that was the opinion that people had. So I don't think it's... I actually don't think it's just spirituality. I think-

    8. KDKy Dickens52:04

       Yes

    9. JSJay Shetty52:04

       ... I think-

    10. KDKy Dickens52:05

        Innovation

    11. JSJay Shetty52:05

        ... any form of innovation-

    12. KDKy Dickens52:07

        Yes

    13. JSJay Shetty52:07

        ... meets that kind of resistance.

    14. KDKy Dickens52:09

        Yeah.

    15. JSJay Shetty52:09

        Where, where does that come from? Why is it that we're so resistant? What have you seen from human behavior and people you've come across?

    16. KDKy Dickens52:17

        For sure people are resistant to change, right? We like our status quo. It feels safe. We like feeling safe. But I think when it comes to psy abilities, usually it's so vulnerable, right? To think that someone could know your mind or connect with the other side or tell your future. I mean, to be had when it comes to something so personal, so vulnerable-

    17. JSJay Shetty52:36

        Yeah

    18. KDKy Dickens52:37

        ... is, like, the worst thing ever. It's like telling a secret and have someone stabbing you in the back. It's just, to lay bare your soul and trust that someone's actually being a, a good steward of, like, your deepest secrets or connections or, and then, and lying about it and profiting off it.

    19. JSJay Shetty52:52

        Yeah.

    20. KDKy Dickens52:52

        I mean, there's, like, nothing grosser. Profiting off of vulnerability and trust is just the worst. And-

    21. JSJay Shetty52:57

        Yeah

    22. KDKy Dickens52:58

        ... so I think that's why people are really skeptical. They want to make sure that the stu- which is good. Like, we- people shouldn't be profiting off of [laughs] people's vulnerability.

    23. JSJay Shetty53:07

        Mm-hmm.

    24. KDKy Dickens53:07

        But I think these skills are real, and I think most of them probably ha- can do it.

    25. JSJay Shetty53:12

        Have you felt that spending

17. 53:13 – 56:43

    Developing Telepathy Skills

    1. JSJay Shetty53:13

       more time with the children, the families, and everything, are these abilities that those of us that are mere mortals and normal can develop and build and grow, or are they things that are reserved for specifically the non-verbal speakers?

    2. KDKy Dickens53:28

       No, I think that everyone probably has these in us to a certain degree, just like some people are excellent at basketball and some people can barely shoot a basket. So I think that it depends on the individual. Like, telepathy seems so remarkably hard. [laughs] How are you gonna read someone's thoughts? But I will say the thing that... It was the hardest episode for me to put into the world 'cause it felt so unbelievable, but I knew it to be true 'cause I witnessed it, was that there was a huge amount of teachers, like a lot of teachers, who were saying that after working with especially usually one student that they were really close to, they were able to start hearing them back. So the telepathy started going two ways. And when I first heard that, I was shocked, and I was shocked that it wasn't a parent. I mean, it has, some parents have said this has happened to them. But a lot of teachers were like, "I will hear their voice in my head. I can hear their full sentences. I can hear what they're thinking and what they're about to spell." And it goes the same way. And so some of these teachers have told me, "It's so powerful now that we can sit next to each other and have a non-verbal educational period."

    3. JSJay Shetty54:27

       That's amazing.

    4. KDKy Dickens54:27

       "And I'll ask questions, and they'll write, or they'll ask questions, and then I hear it back, and there's no eas- they don't even have to spell." And when I first heard this, I thought, "What?" Like, "Can that be?" And then I heard it again and then again and again from people who don't know each other. And then I heard a woman who was a teacher on a podcast reporting this, and she thought she was the only person this had ever happened to in the world. And I remember reaching out. I'm like, "No, no, no. Like, you're not alone. Like, I know it seems like a miracle, but this is not..." You know, how is that happening? And I don't know, but I wonder, uh, can certain people help us turn it on? Or like rip off the block in our brain?

    5. JSJay Shetty55:01

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    6. KDKy Dickens55:02

       And I don't know if the non-speaking individuals these teachers were working with helped them get there, or if you just clear your mind and you're in the space with someone in such a beautiful, special way that we can all do it.

    7. JSJay Shetty55:13

       Yeah. I mean, I, I, I often wonder also whether science will ever be able to measure a lot of these experiences and phenomena-

    8. KDKy Dickens55:21

       Yeah

    9. JSJay Shetty55:21

       ... in a way that makes sense to everyone.

    10. KDKy Dickens55:24

        Yeah.

    11. JSJay Shetty55:24

        I, I often wondered that, whether some of these things are just the way they are and-

    12. KDKy Dickens55:29

        Yeah

    13. JSJay Shetty55:29

        ... like you said, because our scientific tools have been built to measure that which is material and seen.

    14. KDKy Dickens55:35

        Yeah.

    15. JSJay Shetty55:36

        How, how can we measure something with a tool that's meant to measure something that's seen that's unseen anyway?

    16. KDKy Dickens55:42

        The most beautiful comment I heard from a non-speaking individual about that was they were like, "Well, why, why are you all trying to measure telepathy with your instruments?" Was the exact wording. And I was like, "Well, to prove it." And they're like, "Well, why aren't you trying to prove love in a lab? That is the most special and strongest power. It will cause people to jump into a choppy ocean or to pick up the car with such adrenaline if their child is trapped. Like, love is the greatest superpower. That's the biggest superpower. Why aren't you trying to measure that in a lab?" And I was like, "I guess I don't know why. I don't know why we're not measuring love. Has love been measured?" But that was the equivalent in their mind of, like, what us trying to measure telepathy.

    17. JSJay Shetty56:18

        Yeah.

    18. KDKy Dickens56:18

        This person was like, "This is just part and parcel of this, like, love, connection, communication, almost survival," right?

    19. JSJay Shetty56:23

        Mm-hmm.

    20. KDKy Dickens56:23

        If you can't speak, can't communicate, like, beyond spelling, it can be a lifeline.

    21. JSJay Shetty56:27

        Yeah.

    22. KDKy Dickens56:27

        And I just thought that was so beautiful 'cause there are certain things that you just accept, and telepathy might be some- hard for some people to accept, but if you're living it and breathing it as part of your bouquet of [laughs] what you need to get around in the world, it might seem silly to measure.

18. 56:43 – 59:16

    How Telepathy Works in Animals

    1. JSJay Shetty56:43

       What have you found in your research looking at animals and telepathy?

    2. KDKy Dickens56:47

       Yeah, that is a beautiful element to this, I think. And, and to me, it really helped, helped me believe everything more. I think that there are mental fields around certain animals. We see this in, in schools of fish. How are they turning at the exact same time, right? In certain, like, murmurs of birds who are basically have, like, the same mind. And there is this idea of, like, are they all kind of connected to a greater mental field of consciousness that is helping control their movements? Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist from Cambridge, talks a lot about this, and he's written books and done incredible research on animals, pets knowing when their owners are coming home. And they'll put cameras around and page someone at the office, so it's always they're coming home at a different time in a different car from a different place. And they have cameras and see that the dog will go stand by the door, and in some cases cats. And if the, there's a flat tire or something happens or this person gets pal- called back into the office, the dog will go back and sit down. And then the second their owner's heading home again, they come back up. So there seems to be this telepathic link there. And one of my favorite stories that we share in The Telepathy Tapes has to do with elephants. And there was a, uh, a conservationist who was trying to get, uh, you know, some rowdy elephants [laughs] into a, a animal preserve. And after a good amount of time, this man's name was Lawrence Anthony, um, you know, he really worked to get the elephants' trust. He, he made their safe space. It was a huge amount of land. And he hadn't been, I think, in touch or seen these elephants much in the last few years of his life, and then one day he died. Well, the elephants all kind of gathered and walked to his house from where they were, and they all kind of show up right around the same time. And they stayed for a few days mourning. And it was remarkable for his widow because the question is, how did these elephants know to go and do their mourning ritual?

    3. JSJay Shetty58:32

       Wow.

    4. KDKy Dickens58:32

       How? And the story doesn't end there. Every year on the anniversary of his death, and this went on for a few years, the elephants would leave what they were doing and go to his house and pay their respects.

    5. JSJay Shetty58:44

       Only on that day?

    6. KDKy Dickens58:45

       On that day. It took them a while to get there. They had to walk a few days to get there. But yes, they knew exactly when he died the first time, and then they would pay their respects thereafter for a few years on the day of his death. And so to me, it's like if you have a hard time grasping telepathy in humans, look at the animals [laughs] because we're, we're, we're pretty closely related, you know?

    7. JSJay Shetty59:08

       Mm-hmm.

    8. KDKy Dickens59:08

       And, um, and there's just some beautiful treasures of stories-

    9. JSJay Shetty59:12

       Mm-hmm

    10. KDKy Dickens59:12

        ... of this telepathic link expressing itself in nature.

19. 59:16 – 1:04:31

    Communication is Basic Human Right

    1. JSJay Shetty59:16

       One thing that really stood out to me was, uh, I think you said that the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association says that spelling is not a valid form of communication.

    2. KDKy Dickens59:24

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JSJay Shetty59:24

       And they call it a pseudoscience. And I was like, "So that's interesting as well."

    4. KDKy Dickens59:28

       Yeah.

    5. JSJay Shetty59:28

       Why is it considered that way?

    6. KDKy Dickens59:30

       There is a history here, for sure.

    7. JSJay Shetty59:31

       Right.

    8. KDKy Dickens59:32

       Um, and I think the first thing that's kind of made s- the stigma around spelling really take hold was with facilitated communication. Where facilitated communication was the first, oh my gosh, the individuals are spelling that people thought were locked inside and could never spell, and that required, like, touch. And the use of touch became problematic, I think, especially with some people who weren't trained because, um, some awful court cases erupted from consent that wasn't given.

    9. JSJay Shetty1:00:00

       Right.

    10. KDKy Dickens1:00:00

        Horrible things that, that happened through, through this form of spelling. So then spelling evolved into rapid prompting method and spelling to communicate, and now the speller's method where no touch at all.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:00:11

        Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    12. KDKy Dickens1:00:11

        I mean, you cannot touch. It's like a tenet of that. And when you sit in the room with a speller, it's really remarkable to watch, you know. Because they're not being touched, they're spelling. It's clear they're pointing directly to where they want to go. It's not, like, a struggle. The parent is certainly not going like this. You know, often it's completely, like, rooted. So it's really difficult that that stigma exists because these individuals are having to prove constantly, "I'm in here. My words are mine. I authored them." And that's really hard.

    13. JSJay Shetty1:00:34

        Exhausting.

    14. KDKy Dickens1:00:34

        But I will say that this is not a new thing. Sign language took over 100 years to become accepted. As even in the '60s and '70s-

    15. JSJay Shetty1:00:42

        Yeah, walk me through that. I didn't know that. I, I learned that through listening. Like-

    16. KDKy Dickens1:00:45

        Yeah

    17. JSJay Shetty1:00:45

        ... 150 years-

    18. KDKy Dickens1:00:47

        Yeah

    19. JSJay Shetty1:00:47

        ... sign language took to be accepted.

    20. KDKy Dickens1:00:48

        Yeah.

    21. JSJay Shetty1:00:49

        What were the steps? Do you know?

    22. KDKy Dickens1:00:50

        I mean, I, I think people were saying it wasn't a real language. There's no grammatical structure. The rallying cry was that anyone who is deaf should learn to read lips and try to speak. Basically fit into our world.

    23. JSJay Shetty1:01:02

        Mm-hmm.

    24. KDKy Dickens1:01:03

        We are not gonna allow this language to take place. Same thing happened with braille. Louis Braille, the inventor of braille, kind of modified, you know, this language where you could use dots to communicate, and it was consider- it was outlawed. They weren't allowed to use it in school where he was going to school. When they finally did a big test to prove that, like, one person who was blind was gonna spell something and another person was gonna read it, because the kids were using it, like, quietly even though it was, like, outlawed in the school. And when they did that big test with viewers and people to watch, the first big claim was they're cheating. They practiced in advance to pretend what they were gonna write. It seemed outlandish that you could read dots with your finger and spell by poking holes into something. And so braille went through the same dilemma. And so I think, like, this control of, of how we use language, who's allowed to use it, and if it's valid is not new. Um, but it's really unfortunate because th- that is a human right to communicate, to say what you want for dinner. I mean, the most basic things. And if anyone out there is critiquing this without seeing a speller in action, I just think it's, like, a crime because you are trying to steal a voice from another living human being. [laughs]

    25. JSJay Shetty1:02:15

        Well-

    26. KDKy Dickens1:02:15

        It's really mean.

    27. JSJay Shetty1:02:16

        Yeah. I mean, what do the skeptics think is going on in those homes?

    28. KDKy Dickens1:02:20

        There's a lot around the tests around spelling, right? To prove its, like, efficacy have really changed throughout the years. So at first it's like, okay, no touch. Well, okay, there's no touch. Now sit further apart. Okay, sit further apart. That's working. Then it's like, the parent shouldn't look at the board. Okay. Well, we won't look at the board. Then it's like, then can the parent leave the room? Well, there's something fascinating, which is why I think it's really important that this whole telepathy bit is getting out there because I think a lot of people who work with spellers, and there are some spellers who are absolutely independent, like they're rock and roll and they're off to the races, and it's a journey and it's a lo- evolution. But there's certainly many spellers I've talked to who say like, "I need a person nearby", a trusted communication partner. And I don't know if it's the physiology is grounding them. I don't know if it is that they're hel- it's helpful to use their eyes. I have no idea what it is. But there's this beautiful kind of meshing that happens, especially in the earlier parts of the journey that are a bit inexplicable, and if you try to test it, it's gonna be like, how do you explain that? And I don't know. But it takes two people to do sign language.

    29. JSJay Shetty1:03:22

        Mm-hmm.

    30. KDKy Dickens1:03:22

        You know? It- you can't do it alone. And so if this partner, and it doesn't always have to- often people have many partners, right? There might be some communication partners at school, and at work, and with a parent. But if that partner is needed to be somewhere in the space to ground you, why does it matter? I mean, why does it actually matter? If they're typing o- on their own with their finger new thoughts, self-diagnosing, talking about things other people don't know about, I mean, it's clear they're in there and they're communicating their thoughts. Why it is that someone might need to be in the room to, to help them do it, that's a science question that I can't answer. I think it has to do with physiology. I think it has to do with energy. It might have to do with, like, using someone else's, like, frequency to help you just stabilize. I have no i-
20. 1:04:31 – 1:07:30

    Daily Magic of Telepathy

    1. JSJay Shetty1:04:31

       your ... If you had to pick a couple of favorite stories or experiences that have really stayed with you or relationships you've built with some of the parents and families and-

    2. KDKy Dickens1:04:40

       I mean-

    3. JSJay Shetty1:04:40

       ... non-speaking individuals that stand out to you that, that you shared on Telepathy Tapes or?

    4. KDKy Dickens1:04:45

       Every day is a bit of a, it's a beautiful thing, and I think about even now that we have a film team working on this, that they are starting to send their stories. We're, like, my producer just wrote the other day and she's like, "I just met this mom, and then her daughter walked in the room and knew my name, and where I lived, and what my k- child's name was, and like, well, I hadn't said any of that. And how did she know that?" And I was like, "Exactly. It's-

    5. JSJay Shetty1:05:08

       [laughs]

    6. KDKy Dickens1:05:09

       ... welcome. You know, welcome to the party." [laughs] And it's, uh, it's, it's fun. And like one of my favorite memories was once there was a mom that was trying to get ahold of me, and I was busy on like phone calls and I wasn't able to answer. And I was a little concerned, like, maybe it's an emergency. Fast-forward, it's like lunch. I walk out of my home office into my kitchen and I'm making lunch, and the phone rings and I was like, "Oh, your timing is perfect." And she's like, "I know, I know. I just, I just was told you walked out to get lunch." [laughs] And like stuff like that where it's like, oh my goodness, like are they remote viewing me sometimes, you know?

    7. JSJay Shetty1:05:39

       [laughs]

    8. KDKy Dickens1:05:40

       Which is fine. Um-

    9. JSJay Shetty1:05:42

       Yeah

    10. KDKy Dickens1:05:42

        ... so there's just ... It's, it's like bits of magic every day.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:05:44

        Yeah. I'm not claiming to have any telepathic abilities, but I have this habit of whenever I think of someone, I always message them, even if I don't need anything or want anything, and 99% of the time when I think of someone, I don't want anything or need something.

    12. KDKy Dickens1:05:56

        Yeah.

    13. JSJay Shetty1:05:57

        So I'll just message them and say, "Hey, I'm thinking of you, and you know, sending love. I'm here for you." And 99% of the time someone will message me back and say, "I was just thinking about you."

    14. KDKy Dickens1:06:06

        Yeah.

    15. JSJay Shetty1:06:06

        Or, "I need, really need to try now," whatever it may be. Now, whatever that is, I always love the magic of being able to send that message-

    16. KDKy Dickens1:06:13

        Yeah

    17. JSJay Shetty1:06:13

        ... whether it is met with a positive response or not.

    18. KDKy Dickens1:06:16

        Yeah.

    19. JSJay Shetty1:06:16

        Uh, and it's just a beautiful thing to try, and I think ... I, I just love that your work is making us more curious-

    20. KDKy Dickens1:06:23

        Yeah

    21. JSJay Shetty1:06:23

        ... and opening us up to these ideas because that to me is the part of us that's missing when it comes to spiritual innovation.

    22. KDKy Dickens1:06:29

        You know, Mark Twain talked about, he called it mental telegraphy, and this was his, his observation that often you would write a letter to someone you hadn't thought about in five, seven years- Or, you know, and then the day that you postmarked it, you'd receive a letter seven days later, whatever it was, postmarked the same day from that person on the other side of the globe. So it's like you both had, like, the physical mail proof of when you sh- sent the letter. And Mark Twain marveled in that, as one should. And Upton Sinclair, who wrote The Jungle, I mean, you know, beautiful writer. And one of his books that he wrote after he had, like, gone through his life was called Mental Radio, where him and his wife did a bunch of telepathy tests together, and they documented how accurate they were. And I love the opening to that book by Upton Sinclair, 'cause he's like, "This would be the type of thing that should be dismissed or you should ha- ha- you know, is held with such high skepticism." But what he said is, "After I've experienced it, I know this to be true." And I loved his words. He wasn't like, "I think this is true." It was, "I know this is true."

    23. JSJay Shetty1:07:26

        Mm-hmm.

    24. KDKy Dickens1:07:27

        So it's, this has all been around. [laughs]

    25. JSJay Shetty1:07:29

        Yeah. [laughs] What

21. 1:07:30 – 1:09:09

    Telepathic Dreams and Lucid Dreaming

    1. JSJay Shetty1:07:30

       about ... I was ... I was gonna ask you about the connection between dreams and telepathy. Has there been any connection there? Have you come across anything between those two?

    2. KDKy Dickens1:07:36

       Well, I mean, I think for people who are deeply interested in that, we have a episode on that, which is [laughs] episode eight of The Telepathy Tapes, which I do encourage people to listen to in order. But, um, there was one mom in England, and I wanted to ... We have a spelling episode all about spelling, and that's episode eight, where we go into the issues around spelling. But I thought one of the best non-speakers to highlight in that episode would be someone who never learned to spell. And him and his mom, uh, have a telepathic link together, but it's formed in their dreams, where he brings her into a lucid dreaming state. The first time it ever happened, I love this story, he was younger. I think he was maybe, like, 11 or so. Came to her in a dream, and, uh, sh- she thought she was dreaming. And then he gave her an ace of spades and did this whole thing, like, "Look through the ace of spades." And she, like, woke up into a lucid dream, and then he started talking and telling her all this stuff, and, "Remember this in the morning, and they're gonna tell you I need, you know, antibiotics, but I need probiotics," and blah, blah, blah, blah. So she woke up in the morning and thought, "Oh, I just had a dream and he was talking," and didn't think anything of it. And then he went and saw her the next morning, grabbed a ace of spades from a deck in the other room, and, like, showed it, did what he did in the dream. And that's when she realized, "Oh, my goodness, he came to my- in my dream-

    3. JSJay Shetty1:08:46

       Wow

    4. KDKy Dickens1:08:46

       ... and was talking there." And that's how they have deep conversations, and they actually started writing music together that way. She didn't know he was a musician until he was ... started music therapy late in his life, or, I mean, in his 20s. Um, once she discovered that, he started coming to her in dreams and being like, "This is a melody," or, "These are the lyrics. You need to write this down." And now he's, I mean, he's a pretty well-respected musician in England.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:09:06

       Wow.

    6. KDKy Dickens1:09:06

       And it's all through, through dreams.

    7. JSJay Shetty1:09:08

       It's incredible.

22. 1:09:09 – 1:11:42

    Telepathic Conversations

    1. JSJay Shetty1:09:09

       And, and one of the things that I came across listening that I wanted to know more about is John Paul and Lily-

    2. KDKy Dickens1:09:14

       Mm

    3. JSJay Shetty1:09:14

       ... and, and that connection. Can you explain that to the audience who may not have heard it yet?

    4. KDKy Dickens1:09:18

       Yeah. I mean, there's a non-speaker featured in The Telepathy Tapes. His name is John Paul.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:09:23

       I think it's episode four, maybe.

    6. KDKy Dickens1:09:24

       He's episode four. And he's ginormous. I mean, he's almost [laughs] he's, like, almost seven feet tall. He's a huge individual. And he had a girlfriend named Lily. They would letterboard, but they'd often say when they were letterboarding, it was for, like, everyone's benefit around them, that most of their relationship was telepathic. And John Paul's mother used to say it was really funny, because they would go on, like, dates at her house, and, like, w- they'd be on different floors. And she'd be like, "Are they even hanging out? Like, what is this?" And then she would leave, and John Paul would be like, "That was so great. We had so many awesome conversations then." [laughs] You know, 'cause a lot of it was happening mind to mind, and it was just a beautiful part of it. And the parents would kind of marvel at, like, sometimes in the exact second they'd each, the- each would come down and say, "I wanna go see the ... " You know, "John Paul, I wanna go see Lily." We'd text, and the text would come in from each other right at the same time, and that's when the parents were like, "They're talking to each other from p- where they're ... What? How is this happening?" [laughs] It was tel- telepathy. So yeah. I mean, and that, it ... You know, John Paul loved Lily so much, and Lily loves John Paul. I mean, they really wanted to get married, and I think it's such an important, beautiful element of this. And I think it's important for everyone to understand is, like, a non-speaking individual [laughs] is still an individual with their high school interests and, you know, hobbies and desires and bands they like and clothes they like and things they want and relationships they want. I mean, I think the spiritual gifts is just a part of it. It's just a part of it. Like, I don't think it's healthy to look at the, as individuals as oracles or, you know. They're human beings that just are d- more tapped into this.

    7. JSJay Shetty1:10:50

       Yeah. Right. Right. I, and I think that's an im- really important point that you made there. It's like we all have different gifts and abilities, and it's just, I think if you start to think that this person is gifted beyond that-

    8. KDKy Dickens1:11:02

       Yeah

    9. JSJay Shetty1:11:02

       ... that can get quite messy, I assume.

    10. KDKy Dickens1:11:05

        Yeah.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:11:05

        Yeah.

    12. KDKy Dickens1:11:05

        Yeah.

    13. JSJay Shetty1:11:05

        In any way, for anyone. Yeah.

    14. KDKy Dickens1:11:06

        For sure. You know, I mean, Lily likes biking and go-karting, and John Paul loved poetry and swimming and manatees. And, like, Mia from episode one wants to be a writer. She wants to go to Japan. Like, the most important thing is to know any individual, what makes them tick, what their interests are, w- what they wanna do with their lives. I mean, like, these are the questions we all should be entitled to answer for ourselves. And every non-speaking individual, and I just want people to, like, remember this, is an individual that should be met in that way.

    15. JSJay Shetty1:11:35

        Yeah.

    16. KDKy Dickens1:11:36

        And this is, these gifts, if they appear in such an individual, is beautiful and cool, but it's not ... It doesn't

23. 1:11:42 – 1:13:40

    Connection Through 'The Hill'

    1. KDKy Dickens1:11:42

       define them.

    2. JSJay Shetty1:11:42

       Can you explain the hill?

    3. KDKy Dickens1:11:44

       Well, this was something that didn't form for me as, like, a valid thing immediately. There was a f- few non-speakers in, um, Atlanta that said that they connect on the hill telepathically, and that it's a chat, chat room, basically, a telepathic chat room where you can tune in. And, uh, Houston was the name, who named it. He actually named it the chat on the hill, the talk on the hill. And then his good friend John Paul said that he goes there, and he would put pillows on his head to block out stuff. And then his girlfriend Lily said she goes there, and that a lot of people congregate there, and that there's more than one hill. So I had a hard time wrapping my head around that. And at first I'm like, "Okay, that's an Atlanta thing." [laughs] Like, the, the individuals in Atlanta are doing this. Where I really ... Talk about a two by four. Like, there's been a few moments. And for one, for me, was when I had just met this new teacher in Chicago. She had no idea, idea about telepathy at all. She had reached out to Dr. Powell because her s- students were talking about ghosts and seeing ghosts and knowing things, and it totally weirded her out. Not weird ... Like, it was just weird. So she, she hops on the call with me and Dr. Powell. She's explaining this. I did a follow-up call with her once she saw that the telepathy was h- happening. And then she said, "And you would not believe it, like, some of the kids are saying they go to this place called the hill. And on the hill they can learn this and learn that." And I thought, "What?" And then fully third person was this minister from, like, a mega church in Arizona. I met him. He was very nervous to talk about this. He was writing his own book. He thought this was only in his congregation, that he... You know, again, it was, it was a, a miracle that he alone was privy to. I met him, and then he was telling me a story about how one of his students who had just met with another non-speaker from another church in another state. And he's like, "And they were talking about the weirdest thing when they were getting off the phone. They started spelling to each other, 'Meet me at the hill.'" And he's like, "Do you know what that is?" And I think I was stunned, 'cause now here's someone in Minnesota talking about it-

    4. JSJay Shetty1:13:26

       Stunned, yeah

    5. KDKy Dickens1:13:26

       ... Arizona, Chicago, and Atlanta. So after I had to go through a lot of hill references to believe it myself, and now there's no doubt in my mind.

    6. JSJay Shetty1:13:36

       That's ... I can't wait to learn more about that.

    7. KDKy Dickens1:13:38

       Yeah. It's cool.

24. 1:13:40 – 1:20:26

    Exploration of the Consciousness

    1. KDKy Dickens1:13:40

       It's very frustrating, I think, for a lot of non-speakers 'cause you want to do something and your body to- totally betrays you. You might want to enter a room and instead you're leaving it. And the only time it seems like they're able to really, like, gather and communicate their true thoughts is through spelling. That mind-body disconnect taught me a lot because, for instance, Akil, who we feature in episode two, he didn't know where his body was. And for a lot of people who need to be touched when they first learn spelling, it's 'cause they don't know where their body is. Akil didn't know he had fingers. He had to be massaged over and over. I remember Houston, when he first was spelling, he said he needed heavy boots so he knew where the ground was. And so you can imagine if you don't feel connected to your body to the point where you don't even think you have one, you're living in the mental world.

    2. JSJay Shetty1:14:21

       Yeah.

    3. KDKy Dickens1:14:21

       That consciousness is fundamental.

    4. JSJay Shetty1:14:22

       That makes even more sense now.

    5. KDKy Dickens1:14:24

       I think it's less about non-speaking people. I don't think it has much to do with autism at all. I think it has to do with apraxia-

    6. JSJay Shetty1:14:31

       Yeah

    7. KDKy Dickens1:14:31

       ... and not being connected to your body.

    8. JSJay Shetty1:14:33

       Yeah. That, that is completely... Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

    9. KDKy Dickens1:14:36

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JSJay Shetty1:14:37

        When I was looking at studies on monks' brains, they found that when monks who are doing the deepest meditations, if they put their hand on a hot plate, which most of us would touch and immediately take our hand back, that they were able to keep their hand on it because they're disconnected from the physical experience.

    11. KDKy Dickens1:14:56

        Yeah.

    12. JSJay Shetty1:14:56

        So it didn't feel hot to them at all because they were so removed from their physical state.

    13. KDKy Dickens1:15:03

        That's it.

    14. JSJay Shetty1:15:03

        And those studies have been, and proven and shown. And just that idea of being so deep in meditation that you didn't feel-

    15. KDKy Dickens1:15:10

        Yeah

    16. JSJay Shetty1:15:10

        ... you know, heat. And I think people, you know, it's, it's really interesting to think about-

    17. KDKy Dickens1:15:14

        Yeah

    18. JSJay Shetty1:15:15

        ... Eastern traditions. There's a beautiful statement by C.S. Lewis that says, um, "You don't have a soul. You are the soul and you have a body."

    19. KDKy Dickens1:15:22

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JSJay Shetty1:15:23

        And going to your consciousness point, that idea that because we live as if we are the body-

    21. KDKy Dickens1:15:29

        Right

    22. JSJay Shetty1:15:29

        ... Eastern traditions would a- argue that therefore we only know what the body knows. We only know our limits-

    23. KDKy Dickens1:15:36

        Right

    24. JSJay Shetty1:15:36

        ... based on physicality. But for those of us that know we're not the body and that we're consciousness-

    25. KDKy Dickens1:15:41

        Yeah

    26. JSJay Shetty1:15:41

        ... so much more is accessible.

    27. KDKy Dickens1:15:43

        Yeah.

    28. JSJay Shetty1:15:43

        And that's where your point around belief system and value system-

    29. KDKy Dickens1:15:47

        Right

    30. JSJay Shetty1:15:47

        ... and everything else come in that, oh, wait a minute, I'm not, I'm not actually just limited by this.
25. 1:20:26 – 1:25:27

    Ethical Approach to Studying Non-Speakers

    1. KDKy Dickens1:20:26

       truth.

    2. JSJay Shetty1:20:26

       If scientists and others in the community are open to wanting to go and be with the non-speakers and be a part of this, how do we do, and how does the general public do it in a way that isn't disrespectful, isn't ... 'Cause I can imagine that testing and things can be exhausting for these individuals.

    3. KDKy Dickens1:20:43

       Yeah.

    4. JSJay Shetty1:20:43

       They're humans. We're kind of-

    5. KDKy Dickens1:20:44

       Yeah

    6. JSJay Shetty1:20:44

       ... you know, this whole process is somewhat invasive of-

    7. KDKy Dickens1:20:47

       Yeah. I mean, I, I've get very nervous about that.

    8. JSJay Shetty1:20:50

       Yeah.

    9. KDKy Dickens1:20:50

       And I feel like scientists and researchers, it's like you have your questions, but, like, just let's pause for a second, you know? And I ... One of the things that we've been talking about and trying to start a foundation for and put, like, profits that come in from the film or anything or donations to this foundation that maybe could try to open up centers in different, um, states or cities where non-speakers can go and learn to spell for free in an affordable way and, and have physical therapy. And parents can have respite care, where they can bring their child here, and they know they'll be well taken care of. And the non-speakers can have their physical and mental and spiritual needs met. And then, then, only then, it's like if, if there's an interest that one individual's like, "I do wanna study whales," then maybe, like, through these centers, a scientist who's a marine biologist could apply. And they have to learn how to spell, and they have to, like, really get vetted and be on the level of the non-speakers. And then there could be, like, a way that maybe where they pay the non-speaker to work with them. And so that way, it's equitable, and it's all centered on the non-speaker and really working to fit into their world instead of asking them to be a square peg fitting into, like, the round hole of our world. And so I think we just have to approach it differently. The thing that makes me sick is the idea of someone being like, "I wanna test non-speakers and do this and do that." Like, that is gross, and I can't imagine. [laughs] I don't think many families would ... I mean, some very science-minded people might, but ... Like, I know one of our individuals that is in our project, like, really wants to learn plant medicine. How awesome. But, like, let's find a scientist who deeply cares and just doesn't wanna, like, ask questions and cut and run. Like, pay the individual, you know, bring them into the fold, help with their education, you know? So-

    10. JSJay Shetty1:22:29

        Yeah

    11. KDKy Dickens1:22:29

        ... there's a way to do it ethically, and we just have to get there first.

    12. JSJay Shetty1:22:32

        How does that feel after three and a half years of work? I'm sure, like, finally sharing it with the world and receiving those emails yourself, and what's that experience been like?

    13. KDKy Dickens1:22:40

        I think the worst outcome for me, which would've been really awful, h- would have been, like, if we were getting emails being like, "This isn't true. This isn't true." [laughs] But the opposite has happened, where it's so many parents who are like, "I always thought this was ... But, you know, my wife didn't believe me," or, "husband didn't believe me," or blank, blank, blank. And now, like, we're having open conversations, and we're sending it to the nieces and nephews and uncles and aunts, and, like, that's really cool. And it's just so beautiful. I mean, it's beautiful because I think people are finding community, and my biggest concern always is for people to live, like, a transparent whole life. Like, don't compartmentalize. Don't lie in secret. Just be all of you. And I think for non-speaking individuals, they are able to now be all of themselves because so many more people are willing and able to see them and receive them. And that is beautiful. Like, there's no, there's nothing that can compare to that.

    14. JSJay Shetty1:23:30

        And how has it impacted your personal, spiritual, and consciousness journey of understanding yourself on a deeper level?

    15. KDKy Dickens1:23:38

        I mean, I f- believe all sorts of things I didn't three and a half years ago. I certainly believe that, um, consciousness is, survives. I, I actually think consciousness is not local. I don't believe our body creates it. I mean, I think we help and assist in that, and our memories and all those things work together, but I think we are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else.

    16. JSJay Shetty1:23:57

        Mm.

    17. KDKy Dickens1:23:58

        I certainly believe in things like s- precognition [laughs] and psi abilities and even mediumship abilities, stuff like that, that I didn't, that I dismissed before. Yeah, I mean, I'm forever changed, you know? And it's cool. Like, I have young kids, and it's cool watching how they're growing up with these things. I mean, they hear about it all the time. They're ... It's hearing the Zoom calls. They're ... Yeah, and, and it's just part of their life. Like, I saw my daughter playing Barbies the other day, and they were ... I mean, this is actually a few years back when I was still working on it. And they were divvying up, like, "Okay, your Barbies are doing this, and this is the identity of your Barbies." My, my daughter goes, "And my two Barbies are non-speakers." And then her friend is like, "Well, how are they gonna talk?" And she's like, "Through telepathy."

    18. JSJay Shetty1:24:34

        [laughs]

    19. KDKy Dickens1:24:34

        And [laughs] I was just like, "Oh, my gosh. That's great." You know? Just-

    20. JSJay Shetty1:24:38

        [laughs]

    21. KDKy Dickens1:24:39

        ... watching it, like-

    22. JSJay Shetty1:24:40

        Yeah

    23. KDKy Dickens1:24:40

        ... being part and parcel of, you know, their world w- is cool.

    24. JSJay Shetty1:24:45

        What's the wildest thought of yours they read when you didn't know?

    25. KDKy Dickens1:24:49

        I mean, it was an embarrassing thought.

    26. JSJay Shetty1:24:50

        [laughs]

    27. KDKy Dickens1:24:50

        And I, I had no idea the extent, and I'm not even gonna say what it was. But we were sitting at a table, and it was after a long day of shooting. Dr. Paul was there. We had another neuroscientist there. I think Katie was there. Houston was there. And I remember, I don't remember exactly what the thought was, but it was e- enough that it was, like, an embarrassing, silly thing. And all of a sudden, the second I thought it, Houston, like, laughed and, like, spit out his beer practically. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh, he heard my thought."

    28. JSJay Shetty1:25:12

        [laughs]

    29. KDKy Dickens1:25:12

        And that was where I was like, wow, okay. Like, 'cause when we were doing the telepathy test, it's one thing, but when you experience it over, like, a beer and you realize-

    30. JSJay Shetty1:25:20

        Yeah
26. 1:25:27 – 1:32:02

    Lessons From The Telepathy Tapes

    1. JSJay Shetty1:25:27

       Ky, is there anything that I didn't ask you that you really wanted to share, or something that's on your heart or mind that you didn't get to speak on that you would like to share?

    2. KDKy Dickens1:25:34

       The final episode of The Telepathy Tapes, I s- gave the floor to non-speakers from all over the world, and I think the best lessons are in there. And, like, one thing that I think about all the time is one of the non-speakers said that kindness is the best way to evolve. And [laughs] , and so I just want people to, to think about that. And when people are very afraid about, you know, one thing you didn't ask about was, like, the fear about reading thoughts, and I had to think about that a lot over the past few years, that why does that so scary to people? And I think it's scary because people don't maybe like the thoughts in their head, or it's too ex- you know, they'd feel too exposed. But if we are capable of this and we're being called maybe to, like, get to a place where this is a communication we're all capable of, then we're first called to, like, clean our own thoughts a little bit. And that's easy to control, how you think about people, how you think about yourself, how you think about the world around you, the choices you're making. And if you are conscious about those thoughts all the time and making them pure and loving, it's not scary if someone's reading them, you know? So I think that, like, I love that, that kindness is the best way to evolve. 'Cause some non-speakers are saying, "Hey, we are all capable of this. This is where we're gonna go." We all have to do that hard work of, like, becoming more loving, kind individuals first.

    3. JSJay Shetty1:26:44

       Mm. Do you think it's possible that we will become capable or have the opportunity to become capable to communicate that way?

    4. KDKy Dickens1:26:51

       Many non-speakers I've met have said that we are [laughs] capable of that, and I, again, I, I trust their, their insights more than I trust my own.

    5. JSJay Shetty1:26:58

       Mm-hmm.

    6. KDKy Dickens1:26:58

       I do think we're all capable of it. I've seen it turned on in teachers. I think it's all possible, and I think for those, it, it's scary to take a look inside. Let that be a mirror.

    7. JSJay Shetty1:27:09

       Mm-hmm.

    8. KDKy Dickens1:27:10

       You know? And it, it's a beautiful thing, 'cause one non-speaker, and then I know we'll, we'll end, but, like, one non-speaker once said that, "Look, if you say the word Thanksgiving, you've said the word Thanksgiving. But if I telepathically send it, you're given the football game on, and your uncle pulling up, and sleeping in your childhood bed, and the smells, and, like, your favorite candy, and seeing this person, and the smell of your mom's hair, and, like, all the whole thing." And it's an experience that is so immensely beautiful, and there's no sarcasm, and there's no withholding, and there's no exaggerating. It's all just the pure [smacks lips] And to me, it's like, wow, what would happen if we were all living that way?

    9. JSJay Shetty1:27:46

       Mm-hmm.

    10. KDKy Dickens1:27:47

        So if we do get to a space where more of us are telepathically communicating, I think it's gonna be good for humanity, not bad.

    11. JSJay Shetty1:27:52

        If you knew what someone was thinking, how would you speak differently too? I think that's the other side. One side is being able to read and-

    12. KDKy Dickens1:28:00

        Yes

    13. JSJay Shetty1:28:00

        ... maybe someone cleaning their thoughts. But if I could see what you were thinking, how would I speak to you differently?

    14. KDKy Dickens1:28:04

        Yes.

    15. JSJay Shetty1:28:04

        How would I look at you differently?

    16. KDKy Dickens1:28:06

        Yes.

    17. JSJay Shetty1:28:06

        How would I-

    18. KDKy Dickens1:28:07

        Totally

    19. JSJay Shetty1:28:07

        ... connect with you differently? It would, it would transform hopefully how we'd take care of each other as well.

    20. KDKy Dickens1:28:13

        It does, totally. And I've learned that just being around non-speakers, making sure, like, in my thoughts, it's like, okay, like, they're being read, so just make sure they're ... And then so the whole day you're empty, actually. It's like you're meditating in a way. Like, my, keep my thoughts really empty. And I actually find even, like, directing you, it's, with them is easier to do that. Like, you just empty out, and you feel better at the end of the day. You feel great at the end of the day. You're living in the moment. 'Cause most of our thoughts are what just happened or what's in the future. And when you're just empty, you're, like, totally present. And so that's the gift where I'm always, like, being with non-speakers, aware that the, of my thoughts and just trying to have none. [laughs]

    21. JSJay Shetty1:28:50

        That's beautiful.

    22. KDKy Dickens1:28:51

        It's a beautiful way to live.

    23. JSJay Shetty1:28:52

        That's really beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. Ky-

    24. KDKy Dickens1:28:54

        Mm

    25. JSJay Shetty1:28:54

        ... it has been, uh, so fascinating talking to you, honestly. I think the work that you're doing is so inspiring. Uh, and truly, there's been very little that I think we've had to be curious about for a long time when it comes to this space, and I really feel like you've brought something to the fore that we can all be spiritually curious about. And the questions that you're asking are so intriguing to me, they're questions that I believe we all should be looking for the answers. I think for a long time we've thought about physical questions like how do we make the body stronger, and how do we sleep better, and how do ... And those are really important questions. I stand by that. We do that a lot on this show. But similarly, I think we're all asking questions of, like, why do we exist, and why am I here, and, you know, do I really understand the abilities that I have? And, and especially for those that have been seen as, like you said, that they're not in there-

    26. KDKy Dickens1:29:48

        Mm

    27. JSJay Shetty1:29:48

        ... to realize that there is a purpose, there is a value, there is a gift, there is ... Of course, there is already, but inherently, but there's so much more that we don't know. And so, uh, I'm so grateful for your time and energy, not just today, but for the last three and a half years of you dedicating your life to this purpose, and, uh, for sharing it with me so openly and graciously with me and my audience. And I'm sure everyone, if they're not already listening to The Telepathy Tapes, which I'm sure they are, will go back and listen or will listen for the first time and, and help pass it on.

    28. KDKy Dickens1:30:18

        Thank you.

    29. JSJay Shetty1:30:18

        Uh, how, how else can people support or connect if they want to be a part of this work with you and encourage it or even want to write to you? How, how can they get in touch, or how can they follow along?

    30. KDKy Dickens1:30:28

        Yeah. I mean, we are on all the social media @thetelepathytapes. It, I, I would encourage people though, I mean, my, my biggest ask is please, like, just presume competence if you see a non-speaker, if you meet a non-speaker, if you work with non-speakers. They're in there. They're human beings. Help them get on boards, learn to spell. And if you are interested in getting engaged with non-speakers, you could become a Spelling to Communicate partner by going to S2C, or Spelling to Communicate, or, uh, Spellers Method. Like, just go look into this, 'cause we need more spellers. I mean, that's the biggest ask, is just that everyone starts assisting them and meeting them and presuming competence. That's everything to me. [laughs]

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