Tony Robbins ON: How To BRAINWASH Yourself For Success & Destroy NEGATIVE THOUGHTS! | Jay Shetty

Tony Robbins 0:00 You don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on, right? What's wrong is always available, so is what's right, right? And there are different kinds of focus, and my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done, and I know that 'cause he kept muttering it, that he hadn't taken care of his family, there's no money for Thanksgiving, somebody ought to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean?

Jay Shetty 0:21 [upbeat music] Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that I've wanted to sit down with ever since I was a very young boy, and it's extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew up in a home where I was surrounded by his books, his cassettes, his CDs. My father would be diving into them, playing them in the car, wherever he possibly could, and I was surrounded by this man's wisdom. And it had an impact on me, both internally, externally, and in so many ways. And today I've had the great fortune of sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm speaking about a man who needs no introduction, that is recently the number one New York Times bestselling author of this book, Life Force, the one and only Tony Robbins.

Tony Robbins 1:19 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:19 Tony, I am so honored, humbled, and grateful to be in your presence.

Tony Robbins 1:24 Thank you, brother.

Jay Shetty 1:24 Uh-

Tony Robbins 1:25 Thanks for coming to visit

Jay Shetty 1:25 ... to be in your home. You've opened up your home today.

Tony Robbins 1:28 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:28 This is the first time we've brought On Purpose out into the wild-

Tony Robbins 1:31 Ah, I'm honored

Jay Shetty 1:32 ... for a guest to be with you, but we're in your beautiful home that you've graciously-

Tony Robbins 1:35 Thank you

Jay Shetty 1:35 ... and Sage was just an amazing host and-

Tony Robbins 1:38 Thank you

Jay Shetty 1:38 ... welcomed me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know also that I came here expecting that we were gonna do a podcast. Tony, of course, is one of the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and talking-

Tony Robbins 1:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:50 ... because of his kindness and generosity. And I want people to know that.

Tony Robbins 1:53 Well, of you and the work you're doing, I wanted to hear more about it.

Jay Shetty 1:54 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:55 So it's gorgeous what you're doing here, so thanks for having me on.

Jay Shetty 1:58 Oh, well, thank you. Thank you so much. So this conversation is a long time coming from the work that you've been doing. The journey of this book doesn't start when you started writing this book.

Tony Robbins 2:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 2:08 The journey of this book for you became something that you got focused on a long, long time ago.

Tony Robbins 2:13 Yeah, true.

Jay Shetty 2:14 And I wanted to focus in on one point to give people this context. You know, you're seen as someone who's superhuman.

Tony Robbins 2:20 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 2:21 You're able to do incredible things on stage, offstage. You have a phenomenal physical, mental, psychological presence. You have a beautiful spiritual presence.

Jay Shetty 2:30 But at the same time, you talk about in this book being 31 years old and finding out about this brain tumor.

Tony Robbins 2:37 Yes.

Jay Shetty 2:38 I want to hear about what that feels like when you think you're doing everything right for your health-

Tony Robbins 2:43 Yeah

Jay Shetty 2:43 ... and it hasn't been a point of concern, and all of a sudden you get this news. How does that feel?

Tony Robbins 2:51 Well, it was scary, obviously. A- a- actually it started a little sooner than that. When I was really young, I, I grew up really rapidly. I'd worked 20-hour days, and I was also blessed, and I got to work with some very important people, and I got great results, and they told other people. So by the time I was 19, just almost 20, I had become quite successful in external terms, at least, in the world. And some part of me was, you know, the kind of the, the mechanism in the back of our head, that two-million-year-old brain, right? The fight or flight mechanism. I didn't know how to manage that so well, and part of my brain was like, "Well, maybe you have all this happening so quick 'cause you're gonna die young." And I literally became obsessed with not just getting hit by a truck or something, it was cancer. I was gonna wilt away. I don't know where it came from, and I knew better intellectually, but it was there. And then, um, the first time it entered my life was before 31, entered my life through someone else, my girlfriend. And she came home crying uncontrollably. And Jay, I mean she was, I, like, I, like, "What is it? What is it?" "My mom, my mom," and then, "My mom has cancer." And then even worse, they gave her nine weeks to live. They just sent her home. And I think if it would've been me, I think my fear would've overcome me. But you know, most people will do more for people they love, whether it be their kids or their family or someone else, than they'll ever do for themselves. And so it's like I kicked into gear. That's what I do. [laughs] It's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, "Look, there's thousands of people that had stage four cancer and that are alive today. We're gonna find out what they do. We're gonna do the same thing." I said, "She's not gonna die." And then I just read every book I could on cancer, and I came across this one book called, um, One Answer to Cancer. It's not the book I recommend today 'cause there's so many better ones today, but it was written by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the most vicious cancer of all. He was given six weeks to live, and this is 12 years later and he's alive. And so he laid out what he did to cleanse his body, and it s- sounded radical in those days, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this woman, her name was Jenny, she was in her 40s. And I said, "Jenny, you know, I know you don't want to die." I said, "But just going home and do nothing, why don't you read this book? This guy was in worse shape than you, and see if you wanted to apply this." And she read it and she got inspired. And I gave her SMN Thinkit to kind of work on her head a little bit. Anyway, long story short, within about three weeks, you c- she had a, a tumor that was protruding in her shoulder and then one in her feminine organs. And you couldn't see anything three weeks later on her shoulder. And at the period of, I think about nine weeks when you, she was supposed to die, and she looked good, she had great energy and, like, literally looked transformed, the doctor finally said, "This is crazy. Let, let's do exploratory surgery." So they went in, in her body and all they could find left of the cancer was something the size of my pinky's fingernail. And so the doctor said, "This is a miracle." And she said, "It is a miracle, but let me tell you what I did." And he was like, "No, no, no, this is spontaneous remission. I don't want to hear what you did. [laughs] What you did doesn't matter." But she's in her mid-80s today, she's still alive, and that shifted me from victimhood, like, "Oh, my God, cancer could strike me down," to believing I'll be great. So all the more shocking, now I'm a total biohacker, I'm a health nut, I've got to get on stage and do, you know, 12, 13 hours with 20,000 people, and I got to do it three or four days in a row, and I make these huge demands, but I also have this incredibly intense regimen of taking care of myself. And then I went... I'm a helicopter pilot. So I went to go get my license renewed. You have to do a physical. And I come back and I keep getting these messages from the doctor saying, my assistant saying, "The doctor says he's got to talk to you." And I was like- I'm leaving for the south of France to an event. Tell him to just send the report." And I got home this one night, and taped to my bath- my master bathroom [laughs] bedroom door was a note from my assistant saying, "You've got to call the doctor. He says it's an emergency." So what do you do? What do you feel like? Well, all my old fears just started flashing back. It's like, "Oh, my God, I mean, I'm... I treat my body so great. How... Could I have cancer? But I do fly all the time. That's radiation." You know, your head goes crazy.

Jay Shetty 6:33 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 6:33 At least mine did.

Jay Shetty 6:34 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 6:35 Um, but-

Jay Shetty 6:35 Self-diagnosis

Tony Robbins 6:36 ... but at that time, I'd also found a center in my life, and so I found my center. It's like, okay, courageous person, [laughs] you know, you know, a coward dies a thousand deaths, courageous person once. Let me deal with it if it needs to be dealt with in the morning. I woke up, called, and the doc says to me, "You have a tumor, a tumor in your brain." I was like, "What are you talking about? I came to you. I'm totally healthy. I'm healthy as a horse." And he said, "No, no, no." He said, "You have an enormous amount of growth hormone." So I did some tests. I said, you know, "How'd you notice the growth hormone?"

Jay Shetty 7:03 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 7:03 "My hands are bigger than your head. I wear a size 16 shoe. I was 5'1", now I'm 6'7". You know, I grew 10 inches in a year." And he goes, "No, don't be funny." He goes, "You need to hear me. This is serious." And he said, "You really need to do this." And, "Well, do what?" "You got to come in for surgery." I was like, "Wait a second." I said, "You're telling me you're gonna cut me open?" I said, "What's the prognosis?" He said, "Well, obviously you can die. Well, you can... There... You know, anytime you do surgery that's this complex." But he said, "It's your pituitary gland." And he said, he said the, you know, "You're probably not gonna have the same kind of energy anymore 'cause your... it'll change y- your biochemistry." And I was like, "Well, I think I should get a second opinion. Who, who would you recommend?" And he, he did not have a good bedside manner, and I didn't have a good side- bedside manner either.

Jay Shetty 7:45 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 7:45 I was a young punk kid. I was like, "Well, how do you tell me I'm gonna have to have the surgery?" So I kind of blew it off since he was such a jerk about it.

Jay Shetty 7:52 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 7:52 I was like, "I'll take care of it when I get home." And I flew to south of France, and I did this seminar, but then, you know, the mind. You know, the mind starts going like, "What if he's right? What if it's this?" So I went and did the scan, and I saw the look on the guy's face when I came out from the MRI, and sure enough, I had a tumor there. It was interesting, though, Jay. It, it was a big tumor. That's why I grew 10 inches in a year. And but it infarcted, which means it swallowed a portion of itself up. But it's still there. And he said, "We still need to do the surgery." So I went and did... I said, "Okay, he's a surgeon. Let me go to somebody who's a little biochemically driven." So I went to this man in Boston, um, a neurobiologist, and he was really completely different. He was super warm. And he said, "Look," he goes, "I would never do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place in Switzerland you can go to, and you can take an injection once every six months, and you'll never have to worry about it." 'Cause what they worry about is I have gigantism, it's called. It makes your arteries get really big, and then you have a heart attack. And I said, "Well, Doc, you just said my arteries are perfect." And this happened 12 years ago. I said, "Why would I do anything?" He goes, "Well, we just want to be certain." I said, "Well, what if, uh, you know, what if... I'm not certain the drugs aren't gonna have side effects, you know?"

Jay Shetty 9:01 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 9:02 He goes, "Well, it will make you tired all the time." I was like, "Tired all the time?"

Jay Shetty 9:05 [laughs] That's what I want.

Tony Robbins 9:05 "That's, that's the opposite of my whole life." I said, "I'm... Energy's the source of everything for me." And he's like, "Oh, you're afraid. You're like Samson. You're afraid you want to cut your hair." And I said, "You're damn right I am," you know?

Jay Shetty 9:14 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 9:15 But he was so cool. And I, I said, "But, you know, the surgeon wants to cut me." He goes, "Yeah, the baker wants to bake, you know, the butcher wants to butcher, the surgeon wants to cut, and I want to drug you."

Jay Shetty 9:22 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 9:22 He was really cool. And I said, "What if I did nothing?" He goes, "But I measured it." Like, I'm not stupid. I go measure it once a year or something. He goes, "Well, you could do that." And thank God I did, Jay, because six months later, the FDA... I was having to go to Switzerland 'cause it wasn't available in the US, and the FDA never allowed it in because they found it created cancer. So I missed a bullet. I went to five other docs, so six in total- seven in total, and the last doc told me what I wanted to hear, [laughs]

Jay Shetty 9:47 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 9:47 which was, "Tony, you have a huge amount of growth hormone." But he goes, "You literally do..." You know, I burn 11,300 calories in one day on stage, give you an idea. I mean, this group followed me for three years. They followed Olympic athletes and Tom Brady and people like that. And so they've measured everything in my body. And he goes, "You're doing two and a half marathons, basically, in calorie burn in a day, and you're doing four days in a row like that." He goes, "Your ability to recover is insane."

Jay Shetty 10:12 Mm.

Tony Robbins 10:12 He said, "Two or three days, you've recovered." He goes, "That's, that's coming from that growth hormone, I believe." And he said, "So I know bodybuilders that are spending 1,200 bucks, you know, a month to have what you're getting for free."

Jay Shetty 10:21 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 10:22 So that was when I was 31.

Jay Shetty 10:24 Mm.

Tony Robbins 10:24 I'm 62. I've never had a problem since I've measured it. But it really changed my outlook.

Jay Shetty 10:29 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 10:29 And the first one made my outlook look like there is an answer.

Jay Shetty 10:33 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 10:33 And the second one, my outlook was there's a price for certainty.

Jay Shetty 10:36 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 10:36 And you got to be very careful what price you pay to be certain. You got to find that certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of what you teach, and I do as well, Jay.

Jay Shetty 10:43 Yeah. Thank you for walking us through that.

Tony Robbins 10:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 10:45 It's, and especially going back a bit further as well.

Tony Robbins 10:47 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 10:48 I think what I find fascinating about that, Tony, and a lot of the work you do, is why does it, why do we, as humans, often wait to see... Not even see pain. You saw pain in someone else, and you tried to help solve it.

Tony Robbins 11:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 11:02 And that got you working.

Tony Robbins 11:03 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 11:03 But why is it that we often wait to experience pain before we decide to change a part of our lives, make a different choice, to create a shift? Why is it that we wait so often for stress and pressure?

Tony Robbins 11:15 There's... I, I, that question was burning in me 'cause, you know, I was traveling around. I have the privilege at this stage of life, you know, traveling around the earth-

Jay Shetty 11:21 That's why, yeah

Tony Robbins 11:21 ... and work with people from every walk of life, right? 100 plus countries I've worked in, and I'd see the same problems even though you'd be in different cultures. Like, you know, go to an Asian culture, it's not about the individual, it's about the group, right? But I'd still see the same problems, and then I got obsessed with it. Like, okay, what, what's the common human experience? 'Cause I'm seeing the same problems even though it's a different culture, even though it's different beliefs, right? And I began to realize that there are certain human needs, and there were six that I identified that I've used ever since, and it's helped me understand. And so one of those needs is certainty, and it's the base human need. Certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can be comfortable is the most basic need. It's a survival need. 'Cause if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage. Continuous damage equals death, right? But what happens for people is most people, that first basic need is where they live. They don't grow. Another need, the second need is uncertainty. Because ironically, if you're certain all the time, you're bored out of your mind. If you're completely uncertain, you're kind of freaked out. And a balance is not it, it's the ability to use both, enter both worlds. And then there's the need for significance, which is a big part of our culture today, thanks to social media.

Jay Shetty 12:24 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 12:25 Um, that need to feel special, unique, important, right? It can be a very positive emotion or need. It can be very negative, depending upon how it's used, how it's directed. And then there's the need for connection and love, which everybody has. And those four needs, everybody finds a way to meet, even if you have to lie to yourself, work 20-hour days. You're gonna find certainty somehow. You're gonna find vari- variety. You're gonna find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Some people do it by working harder, you know? It's different. You're gonna find some level of at least connection, if not love. But the final two are what make people feel alive, which is growing, everything in the universe grows or dies, and contributing. Everything in s- in the universe contributes or it's eventually eliminated by evolution. So those are the spiritual needs, growth and contribution, where you get beyond yourself, and I think that the majority of us don't take moves 'cause of fear, and fear is just uncertainty.

Jay Shetty 13:11 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 13:11 It's that base need. And when I go around and I describe this in more detail, and I work with a big audience, 15,000, 20,000 people, and I'll say, have them do a set of exercises, and have them figure out where do they get... What triggers them to be certain or uncertain? What triggers them to have variety and so forth? So they understand that, like, everything I do is to meet these needs. But then I get them to say, "What are your top two? Not what you think they should be, not what you want them to be. What are they?" And 90% of the people in our culture are certainty and significance-

Jay Shetty 13:37 Mm

Tony Robbins 13:37 ... or significance and certainty.

Jay Shetty 13:38 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 13:38 Even though they really want love.

Jay Shetty 13:40 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 13:40 So they have this route, like, "If I can be successful enough, then I'll be worthy of it."

Jay Shetty 13:44 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 13:44 Or, "If I can just control it enough and know it's that way," but you can't control love, right? And so most people are, they're trying to meet their needs in a kind of a backwards way.

Jay Shetty 13:54 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 13:55 And I think that, that fear, that uncertainty, is what keeps the most people from growing until they get enough pain, and then that pushes them through a threshold where their needs aren't being met, they gotta change. And unfortunately, most people wait till they have enough pain. Now, I... That's not my preference. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 14:08 [laughs] Yeah. It-

Tony Robbins 14:09 I'm sure it's not yours-

Jay Shetty 14:09 No

Tony Robbins 14:09 ... but I'm sure you've had experiences as much as I've had where you did have to be pushed that far to get there, right?

Jay Shetty 14:14 Yeah. By the way, I'm so glad I asked you that question, because that is the best answer I've ever had. [laughs]

Tony Robbins 14:17 Oh. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 14:18 It's brilliant. Uh-

Tony Robbins 14:19 It's pretty simple

Jay Shetty 14:19 ... it's, it's, it's simple, but it's, it's profound as well, because usually we would say, "Oh, yeah, the reason why we wait till we don't have to change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it," but really, it's because you're saying these needs keep us trapped almost.

Tony Robbins 14:33 In fact, if you're, if you're wanting to change but not changing, it's because some of your needs are met by what you're doing-

Jay Shetty 14:39 Yeah

Tony Robbins 14:39 ... and some of them aren't.

Jay Shetty 14:41 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 14:41 That's why you're in that push-pull, but you don't usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge.

Jay Shetty 14:45 Yes.

Tony Robbins 14:45 Like smoking a cigarette, what does it give people? Comfort, 'cause you take a s- breath of cigarette, you take a nice slow deep breath in and take it out, it calms the nervous system, right? It's something that they're comfortable with. It's variety. If they're all stressed out and then they start to breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people, they did originally for significance. "I'm cool. I'm smoking," right? Today, it's not really that cool to most people, but for some generations, some places it is. Some people see it as a connection with themselves.

Jay Shetty 15:11 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 15:12 But if all of a sudden you're now in a relationship with somebody who doesn't smoke, and you really love them and you want their total love and attention, and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes, now my needs for love-

Jay Shetty 15:22 Yes

Tony Robbins 15:23 ... right, are really strong, and my need for this comfort is really strong, and so you have this push-pull.

Jay Shetty 15:28 Mm.

Tony Robbins 15:28 And then some people make the shift, some people don't.

Jay Shetty 15:30 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 15:31 You know?

Jay Shetty 15:31 Absolutely. Well, what you said to me really rang a bell for me, and we spoke a bit about it earlier. Like, I came to a point in my life, there was one point earlier when I, when I left the monastery where I really struggled with my health, which I've spoken about before, but even more recently, and it's interesting, you at 31, I'm, I'm 34 now, and-

Tony Robbins 15:48 Wow

Jay Shetty 15:48 ... and it was probably around a similar time, 30, maybe around 30 years old, where I realized that I had two choices: I either had to slow down, or I had to up my focus on my health.

Tony Robbins 15:58 Right.

Jay Shetty 15:58 And that's why I'm so excited about this book-

Tony Robbins 16:00 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:00 ... for the world to read.

Tony Robbins 16:01 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 16:01 Because you're giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and practices and medicine that can help us up our game of our health.

Tony Robbins 16:11 Yeah. Massively.

Jay Shetty 16:12 Because often what we do is we choose to slow down.

Tony Robbins 16:14 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 16:14 We choose to just go, "Okay, well, I'm just gonna do less."

Tony Robbins 16:17 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 16:17 And you and I, I think we both connect on the fact that actually giving and service and contribution and-

Tony Robbins 16:23 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:23 ... making an impact, it's such big needs-

Tony Robbins 16:26 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:26 ... that I was just like, "I don't wanna stop, though." Like, just as you said with the energy point-

Tony Robbins 16:30 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:30 ... I don't, I don't wanna not be able to do as much and give more.

Tony Robbins 16:33 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 16:34 So how do I change my health? And that simple decision, it's what led me to be attracted to what you're doing in this book and the work in this area.

Jay Shetty 16:42 Talk to a bit... Talk to us a bit about that energy piece. In the book, you talk a lot about-

Tony Robbins 16:46 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:46 ... boosting your energy-

Tony Robbins 16:48 Yeah

Jay Shetty 16:48 ... through natural compounds.

Tony Robbins 16:49 Yes.

Jay Shetty 16:50 And when I was reading about this, I was fascinated, because we're not hearing about this everywhere.

Tony Robbins 16:54 If somebody were to tell you five years ago that you could reverse aging, people would laugh at you. But today, there are billions and billions of dollars being spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in Silicon Valley, and some of the greatest scientists in the world, and there have been breakthroughs in the last five years that are amazing. So there's a man named Dr. Sinclair, David Sinclair from Harvard. He's probably the number one longevity expert in the world, and I write about him in the book. And one of the things is he's 53 chronologically, but he's 33 biochemically. I've applied what he's taught me for six months now since I met him, seven months, maybe eight months now, and I'm 62, but I'm 51. My goal is to get it down to 41 or 42 if I possibly can. But you go f- how's that possible? Well, there are ways of reversing, you know, your- everybody knows their body's made of stem cells, I'm sure, by now, and there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell, literally from skin back to pluripotent, where it can become anything. The man who did that was Dr. Yamanaka, won the Nobel Prize for it. David Sinclair took his work, applied it to reversing the aging, and he started with mice, and he took these mice that had, um, glaucoma, so they burned out the nerves in the eyes. And those don't regrow. And he's the first time, he'll probably win a Nobel Prize from this. He reversed the aging process and grew back their eyes so they have sight again, to give you an idea. Uh, they're using gene therapy. There's a young man that I interviewed in the book there who was on, um, America's Got Talent who was blind who now can see by this gene therapies. These are the types of things that just sound like magic. The book is filled with things, right? I interviewed 150 of the smartest scientists, Nobel laureates, regenerative doctors and scientists, to show you what's happening right now that you might think would happen 20 or 30 years from now. It sounds like magic. Or within 36 months. That's what it's all really based on. But, uh, here's what I want your, your audience to understand about energy. So everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right? You can think of the genome as being like the piano keys, but the music is played by a player, which is the epigenome. Epi means above. And the epigenome is affected by your diet, your exercise, how much exposure to radiation, et cetera. Well, most people have heard that, but the epigenome really is governed by seven master genes that are called sirtuins. Now, your audience doesn't have to remember all these names-

Jay Shetty 19:02 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 19:02 [laughs] But just stay with me. Just think, there's seven master genes that do three or four things that are critical. First, they convert, they turn on and off the different genes in your body. That's the epigenome, and if you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled, when those sirtuins are doing their job, everything happens in the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown in the body. Third thing they do, which is critical, is they help your mitochondria, which is the energy force inside every cell in your body, convert food into energy, into ATP. It's pretty important. And then they have a separate task, that is they clean up your DNA. So at 35 or 34, you've had a certain amount of exposure, more than when you were 20.

Jay Shetty 19:47 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 19:47 When you're 50, it'll be even higher. At 60, even higher. Well, around 40, your stem cells drop off a cliff. Around 50, the sirtuins, the fuel of the sirtuins drops off the cliff, and that's called NAD, which I'm sure some of your people have heard about. You may even have spoken about it. And you can do NAD as an IV. It doesn't absorb a lot, though.

Jay Shetty 20:06 Hmm.

Tony Robbins 20:07 NAD, though, has a precursor called NMN, like never mother never. I'm sure you've heard of it. And so I've known about that, and so, but I didn't understand that if you don't have enough NAD and N- NMN, then the body has to decide between do I help the body turn on do- epigenome? Do I help it reduce inflammation? 'Cause there's only so much.

Jay Shetty 20:26 Wow.

Tony Robbins 20:26 Do I really help it create enough energy in the cell, or do I clean up the DNA? So imagine you have a mansion, and you have a young staff-

Jay Shetty 20:35 I love this analogy

Tony Robbins 20:35 ... and your house looks perfect all the time 'cause they're young and bright and they're on top of it. Things break down, no one notices. They clean it up. But as they get older and slower, [laughs] and then there's less resources, NAD, now the mansion starts to break down. That's aging.

Jay Shetty 20:48 Hmm.

Tony Robbins 20:49 So what Dr. Sinclair did is figure out how to supplement that NMN, and you can go buy NMN on the, you know, like you look on Amazon even, and there's probably a list of a dozen or so brands that do it. So we tested six of them just for price points as a $39 a month to $129 a month, and there was no NMN in any of them. And I asked the lab guy, I said, "Are these people just thieves?" He goes, "Well, most of it comes from China, so I can't say for sure" He said, "But what I can tell you is what's more likely is NMN breaks down in less than 30 days. So by the time it comes from China, gets to your door-

Jay Shetty 21:20 Wow

Tony Robbins 21:20 ... there's nothing in it." So they built the more stable NMN, which we, we have and use. But there's something coming I want your s- your audience to know about, a little shout-out. I've talked about this a long time, but it's so, so important.

Jay Shetty 21:28 No, this is ama- this is fascinating. Yeah.

Tony Robbins 21:30 So there's a company called Micro Biotek, uh, and EdenRoc, this merger of these two companies. They saw the power of NMN, and they said, "If you could find an NMN that was stable and was even more absorbable, it would transform people." So for example, in a mouse, they give NMN to mice and they live 30% longer. So not all mice studies transfer to humans. They take a, an old mouse, like a 70-year-old person would be like a 20-month-old mouse, okay? So that's an old mouse, and they put him on a treadmill, and the most they can run without collapsing is about a quarter of a kilometer. A young s- dynamic mouse, like a 21-year-old, can run four times that, a full kilometer.

Jay Shetty 22:09 Wow.

Tony Robbins 22:09 14 days on NMN, and the old mouse, the 70-year-old mouse, will run two to three kilometers, 200 to 300% more. So again, I read about this and I was like, "Well, will that really transfer to humans?"

Jay Shetty 22:20 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 22:21 So this has been the breakthrough. It only happened a few months ago, right before I published the book. The Special Forces in Boston for two years has been doing a private study that's t- been top secret about using this new form of NMN that's called MIB626, and it'll be available in 18 to 24 months.

Jay Shetty 22:37 Wow.

Tony Robbins 22:38 But it got, it got out because [laughs] the commander, they just finished the two-year study. First year was safety. Second year was efficacy. And the commander was debriefing his team and didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room. So part of it got out, and it was in the Daily Mail a couple weeks ago also, and they only know a part of it. And I can't tell you the things, I'm an investor in the company, I can't tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public. What the commander said was, "Here's what I can tell you, gentlemen. What happens with mice happens with the most powerful men and women in the world." Meaning the most conditioned men in the world saw massive increases in endurance just from taking this NMN, massive increase in muscle strength without any more stimulation, and most importantly, increased cognitive ability, which when you're a soldier, what's gonna get you to stay alive when you're exhausted or beat up or injured or complete the mission is gonna be your brain. So they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies, uh, with groups of 40 to 60-year-olds that are just unconditioned, and they're seeing the same result. So in 18 to 24 months, the FDA will have... This will not be a nutraceutical. This will be a, something, go to your doctor. And imagine, you get something that n- is natural, but you put it in your body, and now all four of those things I told you about are going full-tilt. Now you're turned on and off the right genes. Now inflammation's coming down. You've got more energy at a cellular level, and your DNA's being cleaned up. So that's less than two years away from us right now.

Jay Shetty 23:53 That's incredible. So you first approached it through behavior change. Now you're changing-

Tony Robbins 23:56 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 23:57 ... the actual product that we consume.

Tony Robbins 23:58 You do both.

Jay Shetty 23:59 Yeah, do both.

Tony Robbins 23:59 You do both. Yeah, do both.

Jay Shetty 24:00 And that's amazing.

Tony Robbins 24:00 Yes.

Jay Shetty 24:01 And, and do you think, though, that, and putting together both those approaches that you've invested in from a point of view of your whole career and what you're working on now-

Tony Robbins 24:12 Yep

Jay Shetty 24:12 ... how much is that change of behavior still going to be required? Because my worry is, as you know, is people say, "Okay, I'm gonna take this pill and it's gonna drop my inflammation. But then I'm gonna eat things that- ... create more inflammation.

Tony Robbins 24:21 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 24:21 Like, how does behavior change go hand-in-hand with that?

Tony Robbins 24:24 I, I found that when people have more energy, I don't know what your experience is, that their behaviors change.

Jay Shetty 24:29 Yes.

Tony Robbins 24:29 When you're low energy, kind of lethargic, even the way you think, I mean, look at what COVID's done by j- having people cooped up and not moving very much, right?

Jay Shetty 24:37 Yes.

Tony Robbins 24:37 I've had a chance to use this product. Uh, we- there's products available right now of NMN. I've been using those, and they're very powerful. But this one is even more visceral. I mean, it, you feel like you're ready to buzz around. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 24:47 I cannot wait. [laughs]

Tony Robbins 24:48 It's just, it's like it, it blows my mind-

Jay Shetty 24:50 Yeah

Tony Robbins 24:50 ... what it does, right? So I think when people feel like that, my experience is they tend to develop different patterns.

Jay Shetty 24:55 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 24:55 It's just like if you've ever gone on a cleanse-

Jay Shetty 24:57 Mm

Tony Robbins 24:57 ... even for a short time, your palate changes.

Jay Shetty 25:00 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 25:00 And all of a sudden y- you don't like the things that you once liked.

Jay Shetty 25:03 Mm.

Tony Robbins 25:03 So my hope is for people there, but I don't just rely on that, as you know.

Jay Shetty 25:06 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 25:06 'Cause I teach people all the other ways to shift their life, but I think it's important to know that there are some tools available right now and some coming very quickly-

Jay Shetty 25:13 That's great

Tony Robbins 25:13 ... that will radically change the vi- value of your health. And also, regardless of your age, it's-

Jay Shetty 25:18 Mm

Tony Robbins 25:18 ... the whole idea is, like, to be able to take, as you get older, to stay younger physiologically-

Jay Shetty 25:23 Mm-hmm

Tony Robbins 25:24 ... and psychologically and emotionally.

Jay Shetty 25:25 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 25:26 Incredibly priceless.

Jay Shetty 25:27 Yeah. That's, that's fantastic though, because that specific idea that once you've had the taste-

Tony Robbins 25:33 Yes

Jay Shetty 25:34 ... of what energy feels like-

Tony Robbins 25:36 Feels like

Jay Shetty 25:37 ... we all know that we make better decisions when we-

Tony Robbins 25:39 Yeah

Jay Shetty 25:39 ... experience that. And so even if that can give people that shift-

Tony Robbins 25:42 Yes

Jay Shetty 25:43 ... into this is how you could feel, this is how-

Tony Robbins 25:45 Yes

Jay Shetty 25:45 ... you are feeling now-

Tony Robbins 25:46 Yes

Jay Shetty 25:46 ... then we can make better choices moving forward.

Tony Robbins 25:48 And most people also, if they're gonna find out about it, they've been pursuing something anyway, right?

Jay Shetty 25:51 Yes, yes.

Tony Robbins 25:52 So it's like someone's gonna pick up the book, Life Force, they're looking for-

Jay Shetty 25:54 Yes

Tony Robbins 25:54 ... answers. They want more energy or more strength, or they wanna help somebody in their family that's dealing with a real issue.

Jay Shetty 25:59 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 25:59 And they wanna know the best, so it's like an encyclopedia. [laughs] It's 600, 700 little pages.

Jay Shetty 26:02 Yeah, it is. This is what I was saying offline. I was like, "This is an encyclopedia."

Tony Robbins 26:05 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 26:05 I was saying it, I was saying it to Tony. I was like, I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons make it unencyclopedic.

Tony Robbins 26:13 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 26:13 But these are brilliant. They're hilarious.

Tony Robbins 26:15 That's good. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:15 And, and they, they truly crack you up. So, uh, one of the things I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same thing that I experienced, and I wanna hear it from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time.

Jay Shetty 26:27 What are a few things that you've shifted in your behavior that have created more energy-

Tony Robbins 26:32 Yes

Jay Shetty 26:32 ... that shifts, that actually helped you expand your energy, right?

Tony Robbins 26:35 Yes.

Jay Shetty 26:35 You, like you said, you're serving more people right now.

Tony Robbins 26:37 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:37 But even when you are traveling, you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're coaching individuals, you have groups.

Tony Robbins 26:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 26:44 How have you been able to expand your energy year over year? What are some of the simple tweaks that people could do today-

Tony Robbins 26:51 Yes

Jay Shetty 26:51 ... while they wait for this amazing product?

Tony Robbins 26:52 Well, I t-

Jay Shetty 26:53 That-

Tony Robbins 26:53 Well, there's products now.

Jay Shetty 26:54 Yes, yeah.

Tony Robbins 26:54 The NMN now. But, but for me it's, you know, I was a vegan for about 10 years, and then I ate, uh, fish and salad basically for about 12 years.

Jay Shetty 27:02 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 27:02 So dietarily, I've always tried to make sure that what I had was as clean as possible to start with.

Jay Shetty 27:07 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 27:07 Then I train like a crazy person. Um, you know, I do oxygen restriction training type of thing so that my capacity is strong, but I'm also trying to train so I can literally do two and a half marathons on, on a day, and then another day, another day, another day. Um, for me, the most important thing I think has been for me is, believe it or not, has been a combination of hot and cold temperatures that I use. Like I start every single morning in the freezing water, and I do it for two reasons. One is it moves every bit of blood in your body and all your lymph in your system. But also kind of train my brain to say, "When I say go, we go." You know? It's like it's, there's never a day I look forward to going in the water. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:41 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 27:41 And I have, you know, 56-degree water here, but at my home in Sun Valley, I go literally through the snow and get in the river, which is, you know, like 39, 40 degrees in the wintertime, and... But you feel so incredible when you come out. But also it's just training your brain saying, "I say go, we go." It's not like, "Oh, I'm not ready yet" or, "Let me wait five minutes." And that becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else in your life, which is huge. And then, believe it or not, saunas, I, I just in the last year have started using saunas, and I've seen a huge change. I've always known about saunas. I use them, you know, every now and then, but there's so much research on it now, and have it in the book, that'll blow your mind. Like four days a week in a sauna for just 20 minutes at 160 degrees plus, whether it's a, you know, a laser-type sauna, red sauna going in, or it's, or a traditional one, will absolutely change your health in more ways than you can imagine. Like, people that don't really work out, I can get them to do this now, and they can just go sit in a sauna, but what happens, it reduces your chance of a heart attack by over 51%.

Jay Shetty 28:36 I read that, yeah. Wow.

Tony Robbins 28:36 It reduces your chance of a stroke by 62%. Your overall health is redu- I mean, it... And then here's the thing I've noticed that happens with people I get doing this. They wouldn't work out. Now they do the sauna, and they put some music on, or they put a movie in the background or something, and the great thing is after doing it for about a month, sweating, everything else, now they wanna work out. Now they wanna do something else. So I look for the things, the quick little hacks that can make it happen. In my life, I also use cryotherapy.

Jay Shetty 29:02 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 29:02 And cryotherapy takes your body down to minus 250, you know, Fahrenheit. Takes out, like, you know, I used to ice myself, 'cause after an event, I've been, you know, running up and down the stadium walls and everything else. Every ounce of me, 14 hours on stage, 12 hours on stage is gone, and I go, go ice like I did in football. You know, 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. It's painful, but I had to do it. Now I go in for two and a half minutes in a cryotherapy unit, and there's no inflammation in my body.

Jay Shetty 29:27 Wow.

Tony Robbins 29:27 It's just mind-boggling. For people who have, uh, osteoarthritis also.

Jay Shetty 29:31 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 29:31 Uh, like my mother-in-law had such bad osteoarthritis, even medications weren't helping her, and she was crying at night. And I was like, "I gotta find an answer." That's how I found cryo. And I started reading about cryotherapy and started reading of athletes doing it, but I started reading what it does for osteoarthritis. She has no pain now.

Jay Shetty 29:45 Wow.

Tony Robbins 29:45 Right? So they're just tools. And you don't have to own one of these things.

Jay Shetty 29:47 Yes, yes.

Tony Robbins 29:48 You know, I'm fortunate enough to have one here, but you know, you can go, there's local places all over the United States, all over the world now-

Jay Shetty 29:53 Yeah

Tony Robbins 29:53 ... where you can just go in five or 10 minutes, and it's amazing. People just need to try it out. So there's lots of different tools. There's exercises you can do that I love called OsteoStrong. I invest in this company. It's a 10-minute workout. Sounds like total BS.

Jay Shetty 30:08 This is the one that speeds up your metabolism.

Tony Robbins 30:09 Yes.

Jay Shetty 30:10 Yes.

Tony Robbins 30:10 Well, it also, it helps you build stronger bones.

Jay Shetty 30:12 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 30:13 Which most people don't care about bones, but women understand, you know, in their 50s, osteoporosis is a really huge thing, and most of the drugs will eventually fossilize the bones. This is the only thing that's been proven increase bone density by about 14%. But my athlete friends love it. I love it because when your bones are stronger, your m- your muscles are limited by your bone strength. 'Cause otherwise your muscles will rip open the bone, right? So this is a 10-minute-

Jay Shetty 30:35 Oh, yeah

Tony Robbins 30:35 ... exercise. You do four different exercises, and you can go to a local place. You don't have to own the equipment, and literally you're done in that time. And you see the transformation. First time I did this, I remember I was so... I worked with this woman. She was about 63 years old, and I went to Gold's Gym with her, 'cause he didn't have these machines then. There was a way of doing it with weights. It was a little bit spooky if you screwed up, 'cause the weight was so heavy. And there was this guy who was, like, I don't know, 25, 26 years old, ponytail, and sweating like crazy doing the leg press. And, uh, and we had a camera crew there, and, and, uh, and she says, "Sir..." He, he took a break, and he's sweating. She goes, "Sir, could I just get a quick set in between you?" And she's in normal clothes, and she's, like, 62 years old, 63 years old. It looked like she was almost 70, and he thought he was being punked, right?

Jay Shetty 31:15 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 31:15 He gets up, and she goes, "Could you put another 100 pounds on?"

Jay Shetty 31:18 Oh.

Tony Robbins 31:18 Literally another 100 pounds on. And so there's a technique where you use an extreme amount of weight for a short period of time, and it stimulates it, 'cause you don't get growth by working out. You get growth by rest, but you have to have a stimulus that's strong enough. And I started doing, you know, I, I bench pressed in those days, like, 240 pounds, and then all of a sudden I bench pressed 525, and I did 1,600 pounds on the leg press. And the guy from Gold's Gym came over having to film me. He's like, "This... You're doing this with your mind." I was like, "No, anybody-

Jay Shetty 31:46 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 31:46 ... anybody can do this." But now they have these machines, so you don't have to worry about the weight being too heavy or it dropping on you.

Jay Shetty 31:52 Right.

Tony Robbins 31:52 So there are these little tools-

Jay Shetty 31:53 Mm

Tony Robbins 31:54 ... that can make you stronger, make you faster. You know, and then there's simple things I never did, like I was working on the sleep chapter at 6:25 in the morning, and I had to be up in two and a half hours. I'm like, "What's wrong with this, [laughs] with this picture?"

Jay Shetty 32:06 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 32:06 'Cause my whole thing was all n- uh, uh, my wife loves to sleep, eight hours-

Jay Shetty 32:10 Yeah

Tony Robbins 32:10 ... she, nine hours she'd be thrilled.

Jay Shetty 32:11 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 32:11 My thing is I'll sleep when I die, right?

Jay Shetty 32:13 Right, right.

Tony Robbins 32:13 But then when I was doing the research for this book, I met this doctor who's a top neurobiologist over at, uh, up in, in Northern California. He works for Google and everybody else. He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world, and he says, "Tony, I think I can convince you." And I said, "Good luck." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 32:30 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 32:30 "Give me your best shot." And he said, "Well, I did a study, we got a study with 1.6 billion people on sleep." And I go, "You couldn't have possibly coordinated that." And he goes, "I didn't have to. It's all the countries, 70 countries that have daylight savings times."

Jay Shetty 32:42 Wow.

Tony Robbins 32:43 And he said, "Here's what you got," and his name's Dr. Walker. He says, he says, "Tony, all you got to do is look at the real numbers. Let me show you the numbers." And he shows me that for three days after we spring forward, you lose one hour. In every country in the world, on average, heart attacks increase 24%.

Jay Shetty 32:57 Wow.

Tony Robbins 32:57 And when we fall back and you get one extra hour, all around the world in 70 countries, on average, 21% decrease in heart attacks.

Jay Shetty 33:06 Wow.

Tony Robbins 33:06 And then he does the same stats on accidents and everything else, and then he showed me stats that show, you know, a man that slept four and a half, five hours a night like I was doing usually had testosterone levels by somebody 10 years older than they were. That got my attention. So it's a combination of sleep. It's a combination of the right diet. It's a combination of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those fundamentals that make a difference for you, and then it's doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed my

Tony Robbins 33:32 life.

Jay Shetty 33:32 Yeah. What do, what do you think, having said that, what do you think is the greatest human skill? Not habit, but mindset and skill.

Tony Robbins 33:41 That's a great question. I don't know if I got the, what the greatest... There's so many. It depends on what you want out of your life, right?

Jay Shetty 33:46 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 33:47 But I think the ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably one of the single most important, and maybe the second is the ability to influence others, 'cause that's what makes you a leader.

Jay Shetty 33:54 Mm.

Tony Robbins 33:54 And hopefully you're doing that for a higher good.

Jay Shetty 33:56 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 33:56 'Cause there are all kinds of leaders, as you know. But I think, I don't think most people are very good at, at emotional fitness.

Jay Shetty 34:02 Mm.

Tony Robbins 34:03 Most people are just not as happy as they could be, and I did one book, Money: Master the Game.

Jay Shetty 34:07 Of course, yeah.

Tony Robbins 34:07 It was kind of like this-

Jay Shetty 34:08 Yes

Tony Robbins 34:08 ... only, and what I did in that case is I interviewed, you know, 50 of the smartest financial people in the world.

Jay Shetty 34:12 Yes.

Tony Robbins 34:13 Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett. And out of 50 of them, and, you know, again, it's in my judgment, I could be completely wrong, and I've spent a lot of time with them, some have become really good friends, there's probably four or five that are really happy people. You go, "Oh, well, money makes people unhappy." You know, money, it has nothing to do with money. Money makes you more of what you are. It just magnifies. If you're mean, you have more to be mean with. [laughs] If you are kind, you have more to give, you know? But I think that most people are just, they haven't learned to manage what's going inside. Doesn't matter how much abundance they have, they're still unhappy. We've all seen people that, great comedians that have killed themself. Uh, Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man, traveled the world, killed himself, you know? Um, you have fashion designers that have done it. We've all seen all these different people, Kate Spade, and it's like, "What? They had everything." Except they didn't master what's going on here and here.

Jay Shetty 35:00 Mm.

Tony Robbins 35:00 And, and you know this. This is why you lived your life the way you have as, as well. So I think that skill set is the most important one. That's why even in the book, my last two chapters I think are the most important, 'cause it's really about the power of the mind.

Jay Shetty 35:10 Mm.

Tony Robbins 35:11 'Cause, like, everybody knows about placebos, right?

Jay Shetty 35:13 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 35:14 They were only discovered in World War II, and it was discovered by accident. This doctor ran out of morphine, and he's treating these, these people that are-

Jay Shetty 35:23 Mm

Tony Robbins 35:23 ... badly injured, and, you know, you need the morphine not just so they're out of pain, but so they don't go into shock.

Jay Shetty 35:28 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 35:29 And the actual person who discovered this, gets no credit, was the nurse. 'Cause the nurse handed him a syringe and said, "We've got some more morphine." So he believed it, and he said, "You'll be out of pain in just less than a minute."

Jay Shetty 35:39 Wow.

Tony Robbins 35:39 He injected them, and in every case, none of them went into shock, 90% of them were out of pain, and they used nothing. It was saline.

Jay Shetty 35:47 [sighs]

Tony Robbins 35:47 Right? So after World War II, he went back to Harvard, and he was the person that created what we now consider to be the double-blind studies, which are always compared to a placebo, right? And what most people don't know is the bigger the placebo intervention, the more powerful the mind believes it.

Jay Shetty 36:01 Mm.

Tony Robbins 36:02 So a small pill is less effective than a big pill.

Jay Shetty 36:05 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 36:05 Um, an injection is more powerful than a pill-

Jay Shetty 36:08 Right

Tony Robbins 36:08 ... in terms of its effectiveness. The most powerful is a, is a sham surgery. Um, the, the Veterans Administration did a study, and they did it on people doing knee surgeries. And they took one third of the people, and they just cut them open and anesthetized them and sewed them back up, did nothing.

Jay Shetty 36:24 Mm.

Tony Robbins 36:24 A year later, this group, the group that had no surgery, had the least amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility, the most amount of... So they stopped funding those surgeries to give you an idea. But that's how powerful it is.

Jay Shetty 36:34 Mm.

Tony Robbins 36:34 And so when you... There, it's even more than... Harvard did a study where they took barbiturates- ... I made these big red pills and said, "This is an amphetamine. You need to prepare your body 'cause you're gonna speed up." They didn't give him something fake. They gave him an actual drug that slows the body down, and the body sped up. So most people don't understand the power of the mind. And so what I've tried to do is show people, even in this book, here are the things that you can do to take control of your mind. Because if you take care of your body and then you don't take care of your mind and emotions, you're gonna be miserable.

Jay Shetty 37:02 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 37:02 Who cares?

Jay Shetty 37:03 Absolutely, yeah. What sparked that question was something you said. You said that you start your morning by jumping in the cold-

Tony Robbins 37:08 That's right

Jay Shetty 37:09 ... and you never feel like doing it. And you said that, "I just say to my body, 'It's time to go.'"

Tony Robbins 37:13 That's right.

Jay Shetty 37:13 And that's what sparked the question, because I was like, that's a really interesting skill-

Tony Robbins 37:17 Yes

Jay Shetty 37:17 ... that you've trained yourself to be okay with discomfort.

Tony Robbins 37:20 Yes.

Jay Shetty 37:20 You're training yourself as your first skill of the day is-

Tony Robbins 37:22 Yes

Jay Shetty 37:23 ... I am okay with uncomfortable things.

Tony Robbins 37:25 Yes.

Jay Shetty 37:26 And I know I can get through them.

Tony Robbins 37:27 Yes.

Jay Shetty 37:27 And that to me is what sounds like a really important part of emotional fitness.

Tony Robbins 37:32 It is, 'cause unless you can push through discomfort, most things that are gonna give you the greatest reward require discomfort initially.

Jay Shetty 37:39 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 37:39 Right? And the discomfort, it's like, you know, my original teacher, Jim Rohn, used to always say, you know, "There's two pains in life: the pain of discipline or the pain of regret."

Jay Shetty 37:46 Mm.

Tony Robbins 37:46 He goes, "Discipline weighs ounces, regret weighs tons."

Jay Shetty 37:48 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 37:49 You know? And so-

Jay Shetty 37:49 Yeah, well said

Tony Robbins 37:50 ... I've, I've trained myself to do that. And then, and then I meditate. Then I always make an acknowledgement call briefly or leave a voicemail for someone just 'cause, to spark the day. And then I do, the first thing I do is always whatever's the most difficult.

Jay Shetty 38:02 Yes.

Tony Robbins 38:02 Because then you have momentum for your day. And when you train your brain to do what's difficult first, then emotional fitness just comes naturally, and more importantly, so does achievement, so does your ability to contribute to other people. 'Cause I have 105 companies now, to give you an idea. [laughs] I manage 13 of them directly, you know, ongoingly. And you know, they're all kinds of different industries, from AI to, you know, my resorts in Fiji, to sports teams I own. And I mean, it's insane the, the, the dichotomy of them. We're doing $7 billion in business, so I gotta do that while I'm being a good dad to five kids and five grandkids, while I'm taking care of my body, while I'm living my normal mission. So if I don't take care of my body and my energy-

Jay Shetty 38:39 Mm

Tony Robbins 38:39 ... and my mind-

Jay Shetty 38:40 Mm

Tony Robbins 38:40 ... I mean, you'd be overwhelmed by all the demands because listen, all I gotta do is pick up my phone and you're gonna have all kinds, "Oh, that's g- Oh, shit, that's a..." 'Cause you know, what are the chances with thousands of employees on three, four different continents now that somebody's messing up? If messing up is not what I think they should be doing, it's 100%. So I'd always be in reaction-

Jay Shetty 38:57 Mm

Tony Robbins 38:57 ... until I train my brain to say, "No, you know, problems are a sign of life." [laughs] And they're, all they are are challenges to be solved. And what makes you a great leader is your ability to solve problems or teach teams to build a culture where they can solve problems. And so it, it gives me this tremendous creativity and flexibility, but I've got the base of energy to make it work.

Jay Shetty 39:17 Yes. Yes, exactly. And you've given yourself permission to say, "This, this matters first-

Tony Robbins 39:24 It has to

Jay Shetty 39:24 ... before we get lost in the-

Tony Robbins 39:25 It has to

Jay Shetty 39:25 ... seven billion and-

Tony Robbins 39:26 Yeah

Jay Shetty 39:26 ... the 105 companies-

Tony Robbins 39:28 Yeah

Jay Shetty 39:28 ... and all of that.

Tony Robbins 39:29 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:29 And I think that permission's often the toughest part.

Tony Robbins 39:31 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:32 But, but one of the things that stood out to me was I sat down, and this was a really beautiful answer that I wanna share with you because I think it will spark where I wanna go next. I interview a lot of Navy SEALs, and I like-

Tony Robbins 39:43 Yes

Jay Shetty 39:43 ... sitting down with people who've had extreme experiences.

Tony Robbins 39:46 Me too.

Jay Shetty 39:46 Because I feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of the brain, different parts of the body that we've-

Tony Robbins 39:51 Yeah

Jay Shetty 39:51 ... never had.

Tony Robbins 39:52 And the spirit.

Jay Shetty 39:52 And the spirit too.

Tony Robbins 39:53 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:53 Exactly.

Tony Robbins 39:54 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:54 And one of the people I sat down with was Jocko Willink.

Tony Robbins 39:56 Yes, I love him.

Jay Shetty 39:56 And you know, he's been a leader for 25 years-

Tony Robbins 39:59 Yeah

Jay Shetty 39:59 ... and, um, um, incredible Navy SEAL, highly accomplished. And I asked him, and we were on Zoom, right? This was during the pandemic-

Tony Robbins 40:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:05 ... so I didn't even get to have this with him.

Tony Robbins 40:07 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 40:07 And that's why I'm so grateful for this.

Tony Robbins 40:09 Me too.

Jay Shetty 40:09 I sat with him and I said to him, I said, "You've done everything that's difficult and uncomfortable potentially known to human beings-

Tony Robbins 40:18 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:18 ... in, in your field. What's the most difficult thing you've ever done?"

Tony Robbins 40:22 Hm.

Jay Shetty 40:24 And I didn't, I didn't know what to expect, and I never do. I try not to project or predict what I think someone's gonna say. And he said to me, he said, "The most difficult thing that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go down next to me-

Tony Robbins 40:38 Yeah, mm

Jay Shetty 40:38 ... and having to carry on the mission-

Tony Robbins 40:40 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:40 ... without getting the moment to save-

Tony Robbins 40:43 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:43 ... to mourn-

Tony Robbins 40:44 Yeah

Jay Shetty 40:44 ... to hold, to carry." He goes, "I just have to continue the mission."

Tony Robbins 40:48 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 40:50 And that was just an answer that, you know, he could have said, "Oh, it was like standing in the cold water. It was doing this, it was doing that." And so I wanted to ask you,

Jay Shetty 40:58 what was the most difficult thing when you know all this and you've seen someone's pain, and either they weren't willing to apply it, you saw them too late? Has there been someone in your life that you're like, "I had all these tools to help them with-

Tony Robbins 41:10 Hm

Jay Shetty 41:10 ... but they weren't ready to receive," or that it wasn't accessible at that time for them? Has there been that or, or have you found that you've always found a way to get through? And not even you personally, I mean-

Tony Robbins 41:20 Yeah

Jay Shetty 41:21 ... in your personal life too.

Tony Robbins 41:22 Yeah. I first of all identify, I agree with what Jock told you, which is, um, you know, dealing with the loss of someone you care about is probably the most difficult thing of all. I would say maybe, uh, as a child, seeing the level of frustration between my parents. You know, I had four different fathers, and watching them kind of, um, you know, accept whatever life gave them as a p- it's, it's why a lot of my drive came about, is seeing my fathers be berated by my mother, who I love dearly, um, and just watching them break down. Like, you know, uh, the m- probably the single most painful event of my life but also shaped me in such a beautiful way was when I was 11 years old, we had no money for food and it was Thanksgiving, which in America is a, you know, big holiday feast.

Jay Shetty 42:05 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 42:06 And so we'd been without food before. We'd have crackers and butter and, you know, we survived. But we weren't gonna have a Thanksgiving feast. And there was a knock at the door, and I go to the door and there's this giant guy there with groceries in each hand. [laughs] He had a pot beside him on the ground with a uncooked turkey. And I, I just like, I said, uh, "Who are you here for?" He goes, "I'd like to speak to your father." And my mom and dad were yelling at each other, saying things that you can never take back, and I'm trying to make sure my younger brother and sister, they're five and seven years younger, wouldn't hear any of this. And that day changed my life because I thought it was gonna be the most exciting day to have Dad go to the front. "What is it?" "It's for you." "You answer it." "No, it's for you." And I remember we opened the door, and I was just so excited to see my father be happy, like, "We're gonna have a feast. This is gonna be incredible." And he got angry. And he's like, "We don't accept charity," and he went to slam the door in the man's face, and the man's foot was there, so it bounced off his foot. He still opened the groceries, and he's like, "Sir, I'm just the delivery guy." He said, "It's, it's not charity. Everybody has a tough time. Someone bought this, and they're sending it to you as a gift." And my father said, "We don't take charity." He goes to close the door again. This time the guy's shoulder was there also, so it bounced off again, and then I was standing right there, and there's this moment I'll never forget where the, this man [laughs] looked at my father, and he looked at me and he said, "Sir, don't let your ego make your family s- uh, suffer." And the veins in my dad's face on the, on the side of his neck, I'll never forget, they bulge. Like, his face turned red. I thought he was gonna punch him in the face. And then there's this moment my dad's shoulders dropped, he took the groceries, slammed the door, didn't say thank you, and stormed off. And I just remember thinking, like, "How come he's not happy?" You know, you talk about pain, it's like, I love my father so much, and he, he... There's basically three decisions that I think everybody makes in their life that, whether they're aware of it or not, moment to moment. I figured this out afterwards, 'cause I was so obsessed with what's wrong, 'cause he eventually left our family, and that was the most painful thing that ever happened. So it's like feeling like I failed, you know, I blame myself. Like, why couldn't it get through to my father? You know, I was 11 years old. But later on, it helped me understand the three decisions are, first you gotta decide what to focus on. Every moment of your life there's something grabbing your focus, and you don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on, right? What's wrong is always available. So is what's right, right? And there are different kinds of focus, and my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done, and I know that 'cause he kept muttering it. You know, he hadn't taken care of his family, there was no money for Thanksgiving, somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean? Is this the end or the beginning? If you think it's the end of a relationship, you're gonna behave different than it's the beginning, right? Um, my dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so then the third decision is what do I do, which whatever meaning you come up with creates the emotions which affects what you do, and what he decided to do is leave our family. But for me, it was like, this is amazing. I mean, you know, we are having Thanksgiving. S- you know, this is a, this is incredible. We have food. What a concept. And then the meaning, though, is what changed my whole life, which was, wow, strangers care. That completely changed my life. That painful experience, I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted no credit delivered this food to my family. And so what I decided to do is say someday I'm gonna do this for another family. So when I was 17, I had two families, and it was a, a euphoric experience. I went in jeans and a T-shirt. I didn't go like the delivery guy, but I wanted to see the face of the people. And then next year it was four people, and then it was eight, and then literally my thing was doubling, and I had a little company, and then I got to a million people a year, and then I got to four million people a year. Then when I was doing Money: Master the Game, I'm interviewing these billionaires, Jay, and I'm watching Congress cut food stamps, it's now called the SNAP program, by I think it was $6 billion. So every family that actually needs food, and my family was one of those back then, they all have to come up with a week's worth of food out of every month. So I was like, I called my team and I said, "How many people have I fed in my lifetime?" I didn't know the number. It was 42 million meals. I was like-

Jay Shetty 45:59 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 45:59 ... "This is pretty cool." And I was like, "What if I fed 50 million people, like my entire lifetime, in one year?" And then it was like, "What if I did 100 million? What if I fed a billion people in 10 years?" So that was seven years ago.

Jay Shetty 46:09 Wow.

Tony Robbins 46:09 We're at 850 million meals, right?

Jay Shetty 46:12 That's amazing.

Tony Robbins 46:12 And I, I'm gonna hit the billion earlier than what I promised and targeted, and then I've got a sustainable approach. But I tell you that because my worst day was my best day.

Jay Shetty 46:20 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 46:20 My, the most painful day, the day where I felt like I do the least, where I felt infinite, led me to have new understandings, new skills, new capacities, new drives, new hunger. I mean, would I really be feeding 100 million people a year, 100 million meals a year, if I was well fed as a child? Probably not.

Jay Shetty 46:37 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 46:37 You know, I'd love to believe I'm such a perfect person, but no, I'm just-

Jay Shetty 46:39 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 46:40 I just know what suffering feels like-

Jay Shetty 46:41 Yeah

Tony Robbins 46:41 ... so I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know?

Jay Shetty 46:43 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 46:43 So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life, if we don't let them crush us, we let them drive us, they, they actually become the best day in your life. And-

Jay Shetty 46:53 Yeah

Tony Robbins 46:53 ... taking your worst day and making it your best day, it's a beautiful target for anybody.

Jay Shetty 46:57 That, that is just, it's magical even hearing it, because it's-

Tony Robbins 47:01 It's magical experiencing it [laughs]

Jay Shetty 47:02 Yeah, it's, yeah, it's-

Tony Robbins 47:02 It changed my life

Jay Shetty 47:03 Yeah, exactly.

Tony Robbins 47:03 You know? [laughs]

Jay Shetty 47:04 I can only imagine. Like, just hearing it-

Tony Robbins 47:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 47:05 ... I'm just... You know, it's such a beautiful visual, so to live it is just... You know, on the other end of that, thank you for sharing that so much.

Tony Robbins 47:13 Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Jay Shetty 47:13 It's, it's such a, it, it's so profound and so wonderful with the, with the question that I asked.

Tony Robbins 47:17 It, it's what you see, it's what you see there's grace in life, too.

Jay Shetty 47:19 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 47:19 It's like, if you can s- like, I always used to th- think in the early days, 'cause my mom was beautiful. She was the most influential person in my life, and yet she also, when she drank alcohol and took-

Jay Shetty 47:29 Yeah

Tony Robbins 47:30 ... um, you know, prescription medication, she got crazy.

Jay Shetty 47:33 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 47:33 So she smashed my head against the wall until I bled. Fed, fed me liquid soap, and I never told anybody about this when she was alive, but I had this group of young kids that I could see, tall white guy who seems to be quite successful, you know, what does he know? So I told them the whole story. But out of all that, it's like if my mom had been the mother I wanted her to be-

Jay Shetty 47:49 Yeah

Tony Robbins 47:50 ... I'd probably not be the man I'm proud to be.

Jay Shetty 47:52 Yes.

Tony Robbins 47:53 Like, I, I had to grow. I had to become a practical psychologist at 11 to manage her so that my brother and sister weren't messed up, and it's like there's grace in everything.

Jay Shetty 48:03 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 48:03 And it's, I al- I always think it's like it's our job to realize that life's happening for us, not to us.

Jay Shetty 48:07 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 48:08 And to find how it's happening for us, that's our job. If we do that, then we have a magical life. If we don't... But if your energy's low and you're exhausted-

Jay Shetty 48:15 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 48:15 ... then you don't, you don't find those empowering meanings.

Jay Shetty 48:18 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 48:18 You know? That's why, to me, you can't separate the mind and the body.

Jay Shetty 48:21 Yes. Yes.

Tony Robbins 48:21 You gotta, you gotta feed the mind and strengthen the body-

Jay Shetty 48:24 Yeah

Tony Robbins 48:24 ... on a daily basis in some way, and if you do that, life can be pretty miraculous.

Jay Shetty 48:28 Yeah, and I did that for too long. I, I can actually relate to that, and it was my wife that turned me on to the body.

Tony Robbins 48:33 Mm.

Jay Shetty 48:33 Because I was one of those people that focused on the mind and the spirit-

Tony Robbins 48:36 Right

Jay Shetty 48:36 ... and as I shared with you earlier-

Tony Robbins 48:38 Yes

Jay Shetty 48:38 ... ignored the body.

Tony Robbins 48:39 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:40 Because I thought, well, I'm young, I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical health looks like.

Tony Robbins 48:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 48:44 And then my wife is in nutrition, a dieticianist-

Tony Robbins 48:47 Oh, that's awesome

Jay Shetty 48:47 ... an Ayurvedic health counci- counselor. She comes into my life, and she's just like, "You need to do this, this, this, this, this."

Tony Robbins 48:51 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 48:52 "You need to change this in your diet." [laughs] And I'm thinking, "Why are you asking

Jay Shetty 48:55 me to change?" But it was so fascinating to me, because it's exactly what you just said.

Tony Robbins 48:59 Yes.

Jay Shetty 49:00 You can't disconnect the two. And going on that, you said focus and mood about your father.

Tony Robbins 49:04 Yes.

Jay Shetty 49:04 You have a whole section in here dedicated to focus and mood.

Tony Robbins 49:07 Yes.

Jay Shetty 49:07 Walk us through that, because what you just explained to us is the emotional focus and mood-

Tony Robbins 49:12 Yes

Jay Shetty 49:12 ... of your father.

Tony Robbins 49:13 Yes.

Jay Shetty 49:13 But here you're talking about how the physicality of focus and mood can affect us.

Tony Robbins 49:16 They, they go, they go together.

Jay Shetty 49:17 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 49:17 There's... I'll, I'll give you an example how powerful they are for the psychological side. Uh, right now, you know, out, out of COVID, so many people have been shut down, terrible place, and you know, I'm sure you've seen that, um, drug overdoses are the largest they've ever been in history.

Jay Shetty 49:29 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 49:29 It was over 100,000 people last year. Suicides, one out of four kids under the age of 30 according to the CDC, whether they're accurate or not I don't know, have considered suicide sometime in the last two years. 'Cause we all need a compelling future. We need, look, something to look forward to. So Stanford came to me, and the, their genetics lab has been doing research on depression. And what they found was that on, by doing meta studies, is only 40% of the people who go in for therapy, who they get drugs and therapy together usually, only 40% make any improvement. 60% don't improve at all. That's not a lot more than what you can get on some placebos.

Jay Shetty 50:04 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 50:05 And so, uh, they approached me and said, "A couple of people went through one of your programs. One was m- clinically depressed. They're not anymore. But we don't have any science on this. Would you be willing to let us do a science test?" I said, "Sure." So they came out to this State with Destiny seminar I do, which helps people to change their values and belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be. They, they figure out what it needs to be, and it changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life, how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of your model of the world, basically, in six days. And so they said, "We're gonna model this after the greatest breakthrough they found in science that no one was able to follow up on." They, about two years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression, and they gave people psilocybin, right? Which comes from magic mushrooms, and they did therapy for 30 days, and at the end of it, 53% of the people were depression-free 30 days later. Never happened. Like, when we say 40% are helped, the average amount of help is 50% less depressed, right? That's what the average is. Some people completely turn around. Some people, no. In this one, 53% of the people, so it's four times the result of any drug that ever been done, but unfortunately, psilocybin's not legal so they're still working on that. And they said, "We're gonna copy that exact study and we're gonna have a, a group that they compare to which is, didn't go to the seminar. The comparison group is gonna do gratitude journaling and so forth," because positive psychology talks about that. And they said, "That's probably what this seminar does is just positive thinking." Well, the cool thing was when they came out, the results were so amazing at Stanford that they went and had two new additional double-blind people do the research because it just seemed so ridiculous.

Jay Shetty 51:36 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 51:37 At the end of, oh, the first week, 63% of people had no s- had no, um, depression symptoms. At the end of six weeks, it incr- increased through time. 100% of the people had no, uh, no depression symptoms. 19% of the people had, uh, s- suicidal ideation. Zero had suicidal ideation. It blows away any study. It just came out, it's coming out next week in the Psychiatric Journal, which is-

Jay Shetty 52:00 Mm

Tony Robbins 52:00 ... Journal of the American Medical Association, Psychiatric Journal are the two top journals in the field. They can't even believe it, so they're gonna do more.

Jay Shetty 52:06 Wow.

Tony Robbins 52:06 And there's, and the, the ar- the actual scientific article says, "This is more powerful than any drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined." And what are we doing? We're getting people to change basically those three questions to some extent, 'cause your values control what you focus on. If you're security driven and you're here down in my basement right now-

Jay Shetty 52:25 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 52:25 ... you're like, "Where, where's the exit," right?

Jay Shetty 52:27 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 52:27 You came down a slide like, "How do I get out of here," right? [laughs] If you're adventure driven, you don't care. You don't even know where it is.

Jay Shetty 52:33 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 52:33 So your focus is controlled by your values and your belief systems.

Jay Shetty 52:36 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 52:36 Right? The meaning of things is controlled by your belief systems. So those three decision-making things, you know, what I'm gonna focus on, what does it mean, what I'm gonna do, shift. And one good example of this, Jay, is, and maybe your audience can relate to this, is if we just took three patterns. So let's say focus, most people have a focus either on what they have or what's missing.

Jay Shetty 52:55 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 52:55 We both, we all do both.

Jay Shetty 52:56 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 52:57 But what do you think most people focus on more often, what they have or what's missing?

Jay Shetty 53:01 What's missing.

Tony Robbins 53:01 That's right. Now, even achievers do that.

Jay Shetty 53:05 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 53:05 Like, it's not like somebody who's not successful. It's one of the reasons you see these achievers that no matter what they do, it's never enough. 'Cause think about it. If you're always focusing on what's missing from your life, how can you sustain happiness?

Jay Shetty 53:15 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 53:16 It's, it's software that will not allow that.

Jay Shetty 53:18 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 53:19 You'll feel happy for a little moment, and then you'll notice what's missing again. Um, what do you think's more often people focus on, what they can control or can't control?

Jay Shetty 53:26 What they can't control.

Tony Robbins 53:27 Yeah. In my seminars, it's can control. That's why they go.

Jay Shetty 53:29 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 53:30 Right? I want to learn how to take control of my body or my finances or my business, whatever it is. So it's the opposite. But the average person, it's what they can't control. And with COVID, there's so much you can't control around you-

Jay Shetty 53:40 Mm-hmm

Tony Robbins 53:40 ... that people really sunk in that. Well, how's someone gonna feel, just everyone think about it, if you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and what you can't control? And I'll add one more. Do you focus more on the past, the present, or the future? We all do all three, but we tend to have one we focus more on.

Jay Shetty 53:58 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 53:58 Where do you think more people focus?

Jay Shetty 53:59 Past.

Tony Robbins 54:00 That's right.

Jay Shetty 54:00 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 54:01 And achievers focus on the future.

Jay Shetty 54:03 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 54:03 And happy people on the present. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:05 [laughs] Yeah.

Tony Robbins 54:07 So, so the, you know, if you're gonna be achiever, the ideal is the present so you experience it, anticipating the future so you can shape your life, right?

Jay Shetty 54:13 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 54:13 But the past you can't change. So I ask people in seminars, you got stadium 15,000, 20,000 people and I'll say, "How many of you know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed?"

Jay Shetty 54:23 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 54:24 And 80% of the room raise their hand saying they know somebody.

Jay Shetty 54:26 Wow.

Tony Robbins 54:27 How, well, how come? Because all antidepressants do is numb you so that you're less intense, but they don't deal with the source of the problem, which is you're constantly seeing what's missing, and it doesn't matter whether you're successful or not. That's why there are these people that have been wealthy and take their own life.

Jay Shetty 54:39 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 54:39 They see what's missing. They focus on all the things they can't control. There's plenty we can't control, but there's plenty we can influence and plenty we can control, and just a couple of changes like that-

Jay Shetty 54:48 Mm

Tony Robbins 54:48 ... completely change someone's life. And so those changes in the beliefs and values change what they look m- moment to moment, change their experience of life. They're no longer depressed.

Jay Shetty 54:57 Yeah. The biggest thing that I learned from that, apart from all the incredible stuff you said, is I didn't think about security once when we came down the slide. [laughs]

Tony Robbins 55:05 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:06 And so that, that's either 'cause I trust you a lot, and I'm with you. If it was someone else telling me to get down a slide, I don't know if I would've done it. But, uh, now, and now I'm like going, "Oh, wait a minute. We're underwater."

Tony Robbins 55:15 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:15 Now I'm starting to have all the thoughts.

Tony Robbins 55:17 Yeah, that's right.

Jay Shetty 55:17 Uh, that's incred- That's, yeah, that's, those questions are fascinating to me, and you were saying that the people that come to your seminars are people that are the opposite, and I think the same of the people that listen to this podcast.

Tony Robbins 55:27 For sure.

Jay Shetty 55:28 They're choosing to listen to this podcast-

Tony Robbins 55:30 'Cause they want to take charge

Jay Shetty 55:30 ... over, over just watching a show or-

Tony Robbins 55:32 Right

Jay Shetty 55:32 ... binge-watching another series. They're, they're here trying to take charge of

Jay Shetty 55:36 that.

Tony Robbins 55:36 That's right.

Jay Shetty 55:37 What kind of assurance can you give them that that mindset is one that they should keep watering? Because I feel that often, and you've probably heard this in your seminars time and time again, people are like, "Tony, I'm trying. I read the book. I'm, I'm trying to put it into practice, but I still keep failing," or, "I still keep struggling."

Tony Robbins 55:52 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 55:52 Someone who's already on but feels that failure, that rejection, that-

Tony Robbins 55:56 Yeah

Jay Shetty 55:56 ... that pushback What can keep them going?

Tony Robbins 56:00 I think it's understanding there's no replacement for persistence, as simplistic as that is.

Jay Shetty 56:04 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 56:04 It's like, you know, disappointment either destroys you or drives you.

Jay Shetty 56:07 Mm.

Tony Robbins 56:08 And you have to decide which one it's gonna be. If you don't consciously decide, there's always gonna be more BS for you to deal with, and I think... But that's why I think, you know, when I do my events, the reason I do the 12 hours a day-

Jay Shetty 56:20 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 56:21 ... it's not 'cause I like talking. It's just that I can tell you something all day long, or I can get you to build the muscle.

Jay Shetty 56:27 Yes.

Tony Robbins 56:27 And to build the muscle is by experiencing. And I always tell people-

Jay Shetty 56:30 Yes, yes

Tony Robbins 56:30 ... a belief, a belief's a poor substitute for an experience. Like I could have a belief about you, but I experience you, so I get to know who you are, right? The same thing's true as like you have a belief about China, you have a belief about working out. So I try to give people experiences that are so profound, and then, you know, the, the studies they did, they found people 12 months later, 11 months later, we're still in the middle of COVID, they did my digital seminar, and you know, they measured my body, like the amount of times I jump. I jump 1,000 times in a day [laughs] and I weigh 282 pounds, and I come down four times the body weight, so it's 1,000 pounds times 1,000 pounds of pressure. I... My lactic acid, if you've ever been with a friend and you're running and you can't talk, the point you can't talk is a level four of lactic acid. I'm at an 18 and still speaking. So they decided to do that on my audience, and they found an interesting pattern. This is the same group that works with some of the, you know, s- Super Bowl champions, and some of the Stanley Cup champions, and so forth. There's a ratio in the body of testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone, and when the ratio is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline, blood, bloodstream. It literally gets you to follow through. So when they did my audience in my live seminar, they found that people literally mirror me all the way through the experience.

Jay Shetty 57:38 That's phenomenal.

Tony Robbins 57:38 Biochemically.

Jay Shetty 57:39 That is phenomenal. Wow.

Tony Robbins 57:40 But then when we did it on, we did a, you know, 'cause all of a sudden, they, overnight they said to me, "You know, we're going to San Francisco, and the governor of California says you can only have 10 people," and we have 15,000. So I was like, "We'll go to Vegas."

Jay Shetty 57:51 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 57:51 They'll never shut down Vegas. They shut down Vegas, so I was like, "Okay, we'll do 1,500 movie theaters with 10 people in them." They shut down the movie theaters. Like, "Okay, we'll go to a church in Houston. I got a buddy, I'll rent his church, 15- 15,000 people." They're not gonna keep Costco open and shut down the church. They kept Costco open and shut down the church.

Jay Shetty 58:07 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 58:07 So I finally said, "Okay, I'm not gonna do some crappy little webinar," so I get this vision. I'm gonna build this facility with 20-foot high LED screens, 50 feet wide all around me. I'm gonna call Eric Yuan at Zoom. I'm gonna get him from 1,000 up to 25,000 people so I can interact with people live in real time. I'm gonna build an app so they can shake it, and the more people do it, the louder it gets, so it's real. So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing bigger events than ever in our entire history, but they did the same measurements on them in different parts of the world, and saw the exact same mirroring process.

Jay Shetty 58:37 Wow.

Tony Robbins 58:38 And the average person-

Jay Shetty 58:39 Even digitally-

Tony Robbins 58:40 Even digitally

Jay Shetty 58:40 ... just to clarify to everyone, yeah.

Tony Robbins 58:42 Um, 71% of the pe- they had a 71% drop in negative emotions, 53 im- uh, percent improvement in positive emotions, and 11 months later in the middle of COVID, it held, because it's a biochemical change. So when people say, "Oh, I'm trying, I write..." That's... I write books 'cause it's, it's an easy entry point to people. There's so much you can learn from a book.

Jay Shetty 59:02 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 59:02 But there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events.

Jay Shetty 59:05 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 59:06 And, like, these last two years, 'cause of COVID, I did two, like, six-day free events. We had 800,000 people attend for six days just four weeks ago, because I just wanted people to have answers where they are.

Jay Shetty 59:17 Mm.

Tony Robbins 59:17 And then people start to see, they get momentum, but it's hard to do just reading something or watching a couple of, you know, you know-

Jay Shetty 59:24 Yeah

Tony Robbins 59:24 ... 20-minute or 15-minute or 5-minute little pieces-

Jay Shetty 59:27 Videos

Tony Robbins 59:27 ... on YouTube.

Jay Shetty 59:27 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 59:28 Those are great. They might inspire you, but a transformation requires immersion.

Jay Shetty 59:32 Yes.

Tony Robbins 59:32 It's like if you ask the average person, "Did you study a foreign language in school?" And most people, "Oh, yeah, high school, college." Speak it. They don't.

Jay Shetty 59:40 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 59:41 But if you turn around and you said, "Okay, what if you want to learn Italian," and I just took you to Rome and dumped you off-

Jay Shetty 59:46 Yeah

Tony Robbins 59:46 ... for six weeks-

Jay Shetty 59:47 Yeah

Tony Robbins 59:47 ... with no teacher, you're gonna come back six weeks later speaking, you know, Italian.

Jay Shetty 59:51 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 59:51 So it's immersion.

Jay Shetty 59:53 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 59:53 And if you want to master something, I think that's the thing most people don't do.

Jay Shetty 59:56 Yes.

Tony Robbins 59:56 They read a little bit. They listen a little bit. They dip in and out. They don't go day and night, night and day in total immersion in something that transforms them-

Jay Shetty 1:00:03 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:00:03 ... and also something that makes them push through their fears.

Jay Shetty 1:00:07 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:00:08 Because in the end, that's the only thing that stops you. Everybody's got a story. I didn't know this person. I don't have the resources. They have all the things they don't have.

Jay Shetty 1:00:14 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:00:14 But if you're resourceful, you can get the money, you can get the time, you can get the energy, you can get anything you want, and you've got to get over your fear to be resourceful. So we do experiences that are so physiologically profound-

Jay Shetty 1:00:26 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:00:26 ... that those fears do not stop you anymore.

Jay Shetty 1:00:28 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:00:28 And that's what, that's how we get people to get... You know, 10 years later, they're still transformed from an experience that was one weekend.

Jay Shetty 1:00:34 The fact that people are mirroring you, that is phen-

Tony Robbins 1:00:36 And that mi- you, you should see it on a, on a curve

Jay Shetty 1:00:38 Even digitally, even through a screen

Tony Robbins 1:00:39 ... it's, it-

Jay Shetty 1:00:40 That is mind-blowing.

Tony Robbins 1:00:40 It is mind-blowing. I-

Jay Shetty 1:00:41 And that's through a screen, too.

Tony Robbins 1:00:43 Yeah, but-

Jay Shetty 1:00:43 That blew my mind even more.

Tony Robbins 1:00:44 But you know what's really cool about the screens is, like, if you're in my seminar-

Jay Shetty 1:00:47 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:00:47 ... you're in a giant stadium, and I'm a dot. I mean j- most people are watching me on a screen anyway, right? [laughs] Unless you're in the front rows, and, but you know, I can see your eyes. I can feel what's going on. I'm running around the building. Here I can scan so many people, and I see them in their home. I see them with their children.

Jay Shetty 1:01:03 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:01:03 I see the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see what they're eating. [laughs] You know, just, it's, it... And I'm with them 12, 13 hours a day-

Jay Shetty 1:01:10 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:01:10 ... for three or four days, and we start here, for example, at 10:00 AM, and we're in 195 countries. So we got one for 25,000 people-

Jay Shetty 1:01:16 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:01:16 ... March 17th through the 20th here, and we will have people in Australia starting at midnight-

Jay Shetty 1:01:22 Wow

Tony Robbins 1:01:22 ... and going till 1:00 in the afternoon the next day for four days.

Jay Shetty 1:01:25 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:01:25 And people in I- in, in Italy are doing it a different time. So it's like we literally have the whole world engaged.

Jay Shetty 1:01:30 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:01:30 So that's been the, the blessing of COVID. It's like I always tell people, "You use stress, or stress uses you," right?

Jay Shetty 1:01:35 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:01:36 I had to figure out how to use COVID.

Jay Shetty 1:01:37 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:01:38 Um, and I wanted to serve people, and we found the way, but again, none of this happens if you don't have enough energy.

Jay Shetty 1:01:42 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:01:42 'Cause your brain will just go, "Oh, man, I've tried everything." [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:01:45 Yeah, you've worked yourself out of it.

Tony Robbins 1:01:46 And you give up.

Jay Shetty 1:01:47 And I, and I love, the thing I love about immersion in events or retreats is that you actually build friendships.

Tony Robbins 1:01:51 That's right.

Jay Shetty 1:01:51 Like the community that's built.

Tony Robbins 1:01:53 The community, for sure.

Jay Shetty 1:01:53 The community of that accountability, of we're doing this together-

Tony Robbins 1:01:56 That's right

Jay Shetty 1:01:56 ... we're growing together, we're building together, that there are people who think like me-

Tony Robbins 1:01:59 That's right

Jay Shetty 1:01:59 ... and look like me. I'm intrigued, Tony.

Jay Shetty 1:02:01 At this stage in your life, what do you look for in a friend? I mean, if we-

Tony Robbins 1:02:04 In a friend?

Jay Shetty 1:02:04 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:02:05 Oh, that's an interesting question.

Jay Shetty 1:02:06 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:02:06 Most of my friends are people that are- Unbelievably driven to contribute. I mean, I, I think- Mm ... you know, if you want an extraordinary life, y- like you don't have to do that much to have a good life for yourself. Mm. So it's like most of us, if you find something you care about more than yourself, and I know you know what I'm talking about, Jay- Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure ... and you wanna serve something. Like, uh, you and I both, I think, see what we do as a calling. Mm. It's not a, it's not a work per se. If it was work, I don't need to work another day of my life, but- Mm ... I'm called, you know? Mm. So I think my friends are people that are called. Mm. And my friends are people that are funny [laughs] 'Cause, 'cause I love to laugh. Um, but they're just... I love... I'm the kind of guy, I'm so easy. If I go to a movie and somebody- [laughs] ... sacrifices and does the right thing, you know, I cry my eyes out. [laughs] It's just like, I've done... Since I was a little boy, there's something inside me that just says, "That's the goodness of the human spirit." Yeah. You know? Yeah. And so my friends are people that a- are made up of that basically. And I have friends that are incredibly successful, the best in the world at what they do. I have a lot of friends that are 18 years my senior, 20 years my senior, and I've known them since they were, you know, 45, and now they're 75 or 80. Yeah. And so they've given me, kind of see the road ahead. Mm-hmm. Everybody's path is different, but the road of life changes and I'm, I- I'm, you know, I'm at a stage in my life now where I'm, um, I'm able to mentor people at a different level- Mm-hmm ... you know, just because I've had so many life experiences. I mean- Yeah ... to take into history, you know? I've, I've been there with Gorbachev at the point when he's trying to figure out what to do, or Princess Diana when she's deciding does she wanna no longer be a princess, you know? I've, I've had some wild experiences, the greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers. So I've had these cool tickets to history which have put things in such a perspective that when stuff happens that, th- uh, upsets people, it's like, you know, uh, compared to what? [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's, uh, it's pretty simple compared to what most people are having to go through, so I feel really blessed. But I hope people...

Tony Robbins 1:04:00 In the book, one of the things I hope people pick up that, you know, young people don't think about very much is testing. Mm. I was never a person that wa- kind of like you with your wife, right? Eh, I'll go do this thing. And then in order to perform, I learned every biohack. Mm-hmm. But like I don't wanna get in the system and get measured. But today there are some amazing tests. Mm. So like I wa- used to be afraid of cancer. There's a brand-new test. The, the one thing in common in the book I should mention is- Mm-hmm ... I tell you all these stories of these amazing human beings that have created- Yes ... these breakthroughs. And what they all have in common, uh, they, these huge breakthroughs, some of which took 20 or 30 years and are just now available, they all lost somebody. They lost a wife or a husband or a child or a close patient, and it drove them- That's... Yeah ... not to accept the standard of care and find a new solution. And so one of those is this test called GRAIL. It's a simple blood test anybody can do now. Just came out nine months ago, eight months ago, and it allows you to test your body for any cancer in your body. And it's like why is that important? Well, because the National Cancer Institute did a study and they found that if you get diagnosed at stage two or stage three or four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer I have a 20% [laughs] chance of living and figuring that out. But their point is well made. It's hard to turn around. If you get it at stage one or two, you have an 80% to 99.9% chance of living. So we're... with cancer, it's gonna affect most people in their lifetime. To be able to do a quick blood test and/or an MRI for those pieces and know exactly what's going on in your body is amazing. We had a doc or a, a f- a gentleman came to one of our centers, and um, he had already had his physical and his wife said, "I want you to have the very best." And he's like, "Ah, I've already done..." He had a really negative attitude about it, which we understood. And one of the docs said, "Listen, let's do the GRAIL test on you." He'd already had urinalysis, blood tests, traditional physical, and the guy ended up having bladder cancer. Wow. Um, but it was really early stage. He caught it early. Right, right, right. So it was a 20-minute outpatient procedure. He has no cancer. If he wouldn't have caught it, you got a real problem. Another one is, uh, it's called a CCTA scan. It's brand new. It's, uh, one of my doctor friends, one of my partners in one of my businesses called me up and he says, "Tony..." And he's like Mr. Understated. He built 12 hospitals and then he sold them 'cause he wants to be in prevention and regeneration. And he says, "Tony, there's been one of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen in the last 10 years. You gotta come check it out." "What is it?" He goes, "When a doctor does a CT scan, you usually don't get that unless you've got a problem." Mm. There's a lot... It's hard to read those scans. They're very gray. If you're very f- skilled, you'll still miss it. But there's this new scan now that uses AI and it literally opens every artery in your body, 'cause what they're looking for is soft plaques. Mm. Soft plaques can break off and it's called the widow maker. It can give you a heart attack or a stroke. If you're... And it happens to people now 35, 40 years old. It's, it's happening younger and younger 'cause of the lifestyles that we've taken on. But what's interesting is hardened calcium, which is what they see when they do just a traditional [laughs] s- is healed. So I heard about it, said, "I'm gonna go do the scan," and I took my father-in-law with me 'cause he's 80 years old and, you know, people around you when you get older start saying you should w- organize your affairs. Yeah. And I could just see his energy drop. He's a great guy. Anyway, I took him to the scan. He's perfect. [laughs] He's absolutely perfect, and his entire attitude changed. Plus, you know, we have the stuff we do for a lot of the great athletes think their career is over- Yeah ... where they scan an area- Yeah ... where you had an injury and they use ultrasound, and then they use this fluid, amnio fluid, and they open up the channel so that a nerve that's been trapped or some area heals. It heals in minutes. And so my, my father-in-law's also had this hip problem. It, it healed his hip problem in 30 minutes. His heart's perfect. We get on the air- airplane on the way home and he looks at me and he goes, "You know, Tony, these people talk about living to 110, 120. I don't know about that, but I could live another 20 years." [laughs] "I got a great heart." That's amazing. "I got this great body." That's amazing. And he's like, "And I'm walking perfectly." He goes, "You've only been married to my daughter 22 years. That's like another lifetime, you know?" [laughs] And so what I love is what it does for people. Yeah. And then, um, and then, uh, same thing with hormones. Mm. You know, when somewhere between 35 and 40, sometimes early 40s, hormones start to change radically. Women are more attuned to hormones, but they learn the hormone replacement therapy. Mm. But like I had a guy that came, he was 39 years old- Gained like, I don't know, I think it was like 35, 38 pounds or something like that. Really working out hard, making no progress, lost his sense of drive, and we said, "Well, have you looked at your hormones?" He goes, "Yeah, my doc looked at my hormones. My hormones are fine." Well, we look at the blood test, and his hormones I think were, his testosterone was like 160.

Jay Shetty 1:08:24 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:08:25 Most men don't feel alive but, unless they have 7 to 800, some as much as 1,000. So he doesn't need replacement technically-

Jay Shetty 1:08:32 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:08:32 ... to be alive. But to have his body functioning at ideal was missing. So all he did was small amount of testosterone, total transformation. Lose his weight, got his drive, got his libido back, got everything else back.

Jay Shetty 1:08:43 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:08:43 So there's some little things you can do. There's metal tests. I had-

Jay Shetty 1:08:47 Yes, metal testing

Tony Robbins 1:08:47 ... a really bad, uh, a, a bad hit with mercury 'cause I was a vegan.

Jay Shetty 1:08:52 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:08:53 Then I felt like I needed some other form of protein, and so I started eating fish. And all I had was salad and fish, salad and fish. But I had tuna, and swordfish were my favorites. Those are 75-year-old fish that eat all the smaller fish, and we polluted the water so much now-

Jay Shetty 1:09:06 Oh

Tony Robbins 1:09:06 ... they're filled with mercury.

Jay Shetty 1:09:07 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:09:07 And so I went to go get this set of tests, and they tested me. And at, on a zero to five, where five is extremely concerning, I was 123.

Jay Shetty 1:09:15 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:09:16 And so I've spent the last four or five years getting that mercury out of my body. It literally was make, it interrupts your ATP, your energy level. Like, if you start feeling foggy or exhausted or tired, it can be metals.

Jay Shetty 1:09:28 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:09:28 And about one out of every three people, including friends that are 25 years old, because of the environment right now, they go and they discover they've got cadmium or they've got lead or they've got mercury. So I really encourage people to go do that metals test. If you're not feeling great, a lot of times when people think it's aging-

Jay Shetty 1:09:42 Yes

Tony Robbins 1:09:43 ... it's just metals.

Jay Shetty 1:09:44 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:09:44 And you can get them out of your system when they're small, and it's a hell of a lot easier than what [laughs] I've gone through in my life.

Jay Shetty 1:09:49 Yeah, and it's, and it's always, it's really interesting because you keep pushing. You can get lost in the fact that it's all in your head.

Tony Robbins 1:09:54 Yeah, you-

Jay Shetty 1:09:54 And the truth is, it isn't always all in your head.

Tony Robbins 1:09:57 No. No, it isn't.

Jay Shetty 1:09:57 It's, it's, it is-

Tony Robbins 1:09:58 Sometimes it's physiological as well.

Jay Shetty 1:09:59 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:09:59 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:09:59 I had that recently, where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and did, I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests.

Tony Robbins 1:10:04 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:04 I did a lot of other tests. I wanna go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended.

Tony Robbins 1:10:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:07 I, I'm gonna definitely ask you where I should go. But I went and did a basic vitamin D test, right?

Tony Robbins 1:10:12 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:10:13 I've been doing these since I was a kid.

Tony Robbins 1:10:14 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:14 And I went, and my doctor and my, and my health coach was looking at the stats and everything, and she said to me, she said, "Jay, you're at a 10."

Tony Robbins 1:10:21 Wow.

Jay Shetty 1:10:22 The average is 60, and 100 is good.

Tony Robbins 1:10:24 That's right.

Jay Shetty 1:10:24 She goes, she goes, "I don't know how you get out of bed in the morning."

Tony Robbins 1:10:27 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:27 And I was like-

Tony Robbins 1:10:27 And that affects your hormones, by the way.

Jay Shetty 1:10:29 Correct.

Tony Robbins 1:10:29 D3 affects your hormones.

Jay Shetty 1:10:30 Yeah, and I was like, "I get out of bed just fine."

Tony Robbins 1:10:32 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:32 And, and she couldn't believe that I was-

Tony Robbins 1:10:34 You can overcome a lot with your psychology.

Jay Shetty 1:10:36 Correct.

Tony Robbins 1:10:36 Right? I was doing the same thing with mercury in my body.

Jay Shetty 1:10:38 Correct. But I was thinking, imagine if my body [laughs] was good too.

Tony Robbins 1:10:41 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 1:10:41 Like, just imagine what would be possible.

Tony Robbins 1:10:44 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:44 And I think that's why I love what you've done with this book, Life Force, because that's what it's placing emphasis on.

Tony Robbins 1:10:49 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:10:50 It's like, go get tested. Go check it out. I love how you use the language of coaches, not commanders.

Tony Robbins 1:10:54 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:10:54 Right? Like, we're not trying to, you're not saying to anyone, "This is exactly what to do, and this is how to do it." You're saying, "Please go and experiment with these things."

Tony Robbins 1:11:01 That's right.

Jay Shetty 1:11:01 "Please go and practice them. Implement them into your life."

Tony Robbins 1:11:03 That's right.

Jay Shetty 1:11:04 And I cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these things in my life because I think it's so easy to sit back when you're in your 20s, in your 30s-

Tony Robbins 1:11:12 Yes

Jay Shetty 1:11:12 ... and just go, "I'm okay right now. Things are okay. I can eat, I can pretty much get away with a bad night out or a cheat meal."

Tony Robbins 1:11:16 But you know what, you know what I also wrote this book for?

Jay Shetty 1:11:18 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:11:18 Even the subtitle says it. It's for you and somebody you love.

Jay Shetty 1:11:21 Yes. I love that. Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:11:21 'Cause if you're at, at the stage of life you're in, you're gonna start finding more people, whether it be your parents or someone else-

Jay Shetty 1:11:26 Yes

Tony Robbins 1:11:26 ... that's in a challenge, and so there's, like whether it's, like for me at this stage of my life-

Jay Shetty 1:11:30 Yes

Tony Robbins 1:11:30 ... I know so many people that, I don't know, two times a month at least, someone calls me and they have a family member with cancer, or somebody's starting to develop Alzheimer's, or somebody had a stroke. And I didn't know what the hell to do before, right? 'Cause the standard of care is so weak in those areas. But here you've got answers that'll blow your mind.

Jay Shetty 1:11:46 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:11:46 Or you know somebody with Parkinson's, for example, like your grandma or somebody like that. I, I, there's this new technique, it's unbelievable. You use ultrasound.

Jay Shetty 1:11:54 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:11:54 It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut you open any way. I saw this woman who's on 15 medications. I don't know if you've seen somebody with Parkinson's, but they can't-

Jay Shetty 1:12:02 Yes, yes, yeah

Tony Robbins 1:12:02 ... they can't even hold a glass. They can't-

Jay Shetty 1:12:04 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:12:04 ... she couldn't walk across the room. And they, it's an outpatient process. It's in 100 universities, and, and it's covered by insurance now. This is how, how unbelievable this is, and most people don't know about it. You go in. It takes about an hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating the tremor. They treat it for 30 seconds. The woman comes out of the MRI, right? And she gets up, walks across the room. I'm watching her. And then somebody hands her a glass, and it doesn't hit her. Like at first, I don't know if you've ever seen somebody gets those audio implants and they hear for the first time.

Jay Shetty 1:12:32 Yes, yes.

Tony Robbins 1:12:32 They cry.

Jay Shetty 1:12:33 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:12:33 But when they hand her the glass, and she could hold the glass, so she just started crying uncontrollably. That was two years ago. Um, two months ago she did a 50-mile bike ride.

Jay Shetty 1:12:42 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:12:43 Right? I mean, it's, that's the kind of tools that are available.

Jay Shetty 1:12:45 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:12:46 If you've got osteo- someone's got osteoarthritis, and even kids 35, 40 years old that are athletes can create some real challenges in their body there. There's a new injection. This is not approved yet. It's at phase three trials. So phase one is safety, and then phase two is efficacy, and then phase three is efficacy at scale. Then you get approved. So it's in the final stage. They think it'll be approved either in the fall or spring of next year. One injection. If you've got osteoarthritis, it causes your own stem cells to regrow all your tendons based on the original DNA input. So it's like 16-year-old tendons, even if you're 30, 40, 50, or 60 years old, and no more osteoarthritis. Brand new tendons inside your body. So that's the kind of world we're in right now. These are things that are happening right now that people just don't know about, so it's-

Jay Shetty 1:13:28 And why don't, and why don't we know about them? And why, why is it that you have to go and dig all-

Tony Robbins 1:13:32 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:13:32 Because it seems like what you've done is you've mined.

Tony Robbins 1:13:34 I've gone to the very best.

Jay Shetty 1:13:34 You and your team have gone and mined and gone to the very best to bring this to the fore. But-

Tony Robbins 1:13:38 Like, all my billionaire friends, they all know this-

Jay Shetty 1:13:39 Yes

Tony Robbins 1:13:39 ... 'cause they all want the cutting edge, right?

Jay Shetty 1:13:41 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:13:41 So all I did is kind of took what I did with Money Master the Game.

Jay Shetty 1:13:43 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:13:43 That's how I got introduced to some of this, and then I, and also it was my own needs. I tore my rotator cuff-

Jay Shetty 1:13:48 Yes, yes

Tony Robbins 1:13:48 ... so severely.

Jay Shetty 1:13:49 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:13:49 I was at a, following a 22-year-old professional snowboarder down a hill.

Jay Shetty 1:13:53 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:13:53 And I'm not a professional snowboarder. I could not make those moves. And literally when I woke up, I was unconscious. I thought I broke my neck. I ripped my rotator cuffs. So what do you do? I go to four different doctors. They all say, "Surgery, surgery." "Well, what's the prognosis?" "Well, you may not lift your arm above your shoulder again."

Jay Shetty 1:14:08 Ever again.

Tony Robbins 1:14:08 "It could tear again." How long to repair? How long did rehab? Four to six months. I'm gonna be on stage doing this with one arm over here.

Jay Shetty 1:14:15 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:14:15 So I s- I work with a lot of the greatest of all time athletes, and, uh, Cristiano Ronaldo was supposed to be out for three months. He did stem cells, it took him two and a half weeks.

Jay Shetty 1:14:23 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:14:23 So I was like, "What about stem?" "No, no, they don't work. They don't work." And then it's like, I, I, I had the final doc literally look me in the face, and he, he was a fan of my work, I didn't know going there, and he's like, "Oh my God, you're the Tony Robbins." He goes on and on, "You saved my marriage and made me all this money," da, da, da. And he goes, "Thanks for hearing that, but now I gotta be your doctor." And he puts my spine up and he goes-

Jay Shetty 1:14:43 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:14:43 ... "Life as you know it is over," literally what he said to me. And I said, "Well, you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar."

Jay Shetty 1:14:47 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:14:48 And he, and he's like, "This is not funny. Don't make a joke. This is real." And he goes, "You know, you have s- severe spinal stenosis." I'm in pain for 14 years, and he goes, "One good hit and you're a quadriplegic. No more jumping, no more running, no more life." And like if you're hit in the stomach and you're ready for it, I wasn't ready for it, I gotta be honest. There was two hours of my feeling like my life was over, and then I got my head back, and then I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna check out stem cells," and I met Bob Harari, one of the top guys in the world. He told me where to go. In the United States, the ones I needed, you know, for your elbow, your knee, your own stem cells might work, but if you're doing a shoulder and a back or something, you need something more powerful, and he said, "You need four-day-old stem cells." I go, I said, "I don't want, you know, something that comes from babies." He goes, "No, no, no, no." He goes, "When babies are born, the cord is filled with this, and the placenta-"

Jay Shetty 1:15:34 Wow

Tony Robbins 1:15:34 ... "is filled with these." And so I went and did four days of treatment, just an hour a day of an IV and a shot. First day I felt, you know, sleepy. Second day I had a cytokine response. I wasn't scared. I knew what it was, kind of shaking, freezing for 20 minutes. But then I woke up the next morning, and not only was my shoulder perfect, I mean, an MRI on my shoulder, you wouldn't even believe it. No downtime, no surgery, but my spinal stenosis is gone. I got no pain in my spine, and I've had that for 14 years.

Jay Shetty 1:15:58 Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:15:59 So it's like, that made me, that's why I wrote this book. I became obsessed. Then the pope invited me to come speak. He, the pope puts on the biggest regenerative conference every two years.

Jay Shetty 1:16:07 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:16:07 And they wanted me to be the cleanup speaker. I'm like, "I'll do that-

Jay Shetty 1:16:10 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:16:10 ... but I want to go through all four days."

Jay Shetty 1:16:11 Yeah, yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:16:12 And then I met all these people who were sent home to die with cancer who've been turned around, you know, stage four cancer, 'cause they, some of the techniques in this book. I met, uh, uh, Jack Nicklaus, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes, the pain was so bad, and now he's eight- he did, was supposed to have a spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God, and he did stem cells, and now he's 82 playing golf and tennis again. So I was like, I became an evangelist.

Jay Shetty 1:16:34 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:16:34 And then I just, I went and said, "I want to learn the best of everything," and I learned, learned it was much more than stem cells. It's this-

Jay Shetty 1:16:40 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:16:40 ... s- just like you see technology doubling in power every 18 months and halving in cost, we are code now.

Jay Shetty 1:16:46 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:16:46 So most people have heard of CRISPR.

Jay Shetty 1:16:48 Yes, yes.

Tony Robbins 1:16:48 I mean, we're literally curing diseases-

Jay Shetty 1:16:50 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:16:50 ... that would never have been cured in history before, and we're at the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. So it's only up from here, and the opportunities are extraordinary. But you can think of yourself, but you can also think of people you love-

Jay Shetty 1:17:01 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:17:01 ... who might need your help, and now you'll have answers.

Jay Shetty 1:17:03 Definitely. I'm so grateful to you, Peter, and Robert, for putting this book together.

Tony Robbins 1:17:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:17:07 Because I, like I said, I just dived into it and into, into each chapter, and it's just so comprehensive. It's so dense. It's got every study and research-

Tony Robbins 1:17:15 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:17:15 ... that you need to convince you that it's out there.

Tony Robbins 1:17:17 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:17:17 And now, and I love what you just added to what I was saying, that we need to go use it for the people we love.

Tony Robbins 1:17:21 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:17:21 If it's not for us, let's go use it for them.

Tony Robbins 1:17:23 Yeah. And then one day, because you helped everybody else, they'll be there for you. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:17:26 You... [laughs] Exactly. Tony, you have, uh, been so generous with your time.

Tony Robbins 1:17:30 Thank you. I've enjoyed it with you very much, Jay.

Jay Shetty 1:17:31 You've been so generous with your energy.

Tony Robbins 1:17:33 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:17:33 Uh, and of course, in doing all the work and putting this book together, you can tell that... I'm, I'm writing my second book right now, and I can tell that when you see a book that is this well-researched-

Tony Robbins 1:17:43 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:17:43 ... and this deeply done, uh, you know that a lot of work has gone into that. So I wanna recommend, we're gonna put this in the link, in the caption, in the comment section, everywhere, the link to this book. Uh, I know that it's already been an incredible in- international bestselling book all over the world. Uh, so if you haven't already got it, I highly recommend you go and get it. Get it for a friend, too. Get it for a family member. Get it to give it to someone as well if you know that they need this right now, and of course get it for yourself. Um-

Tony Robbins 1:18:09 And we're donating, I'm donating 100% of the, the, uh, profits from this book, as I've done all three of my books, last three books-

Jay Shetty 1:18:15 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:18:15 ... to Feeding America. This will be feeding 20 million meals there. And so besides helping yourself, you're helping other people, and then the balance is going for an- uh, Alzheimer's, cancer, and heart disease research-

Jay Shetty 1:18:24 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:18:24 ... from three of the best researchers in the world. So hopefully the book not only changes your life, but it'll also help other people, too.

Jay Shetty 1:18:29 Yeah, that's phenomenal. So you're contributing as well as reading.

Tony Robbins 1:18:33 100% of it, yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:18:33 Yeah, which is absolutely beautiful. No, I'm saying, I'm saying the audience gets to contribute-

Tony Robbins 1:18:37 Oh, yes, yes, yes

Jay Shetty 1:18:37 ... through you simply by even buying the book.

Tony Robbins 1:18:39 That's true.

Jay Shetty 1:18:39 So even buying the book is contributing.

Tony Robbins 1:18:40 That's

Tony Robbins 1:18:41 true.

Jay Shetty 1:18:41 Tony, we end every On Purpose interview with the Final Five. Uh, these are five questions that are aimed at usually one word to one sentence answers.

Tony Robbins 1:18:50 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:18:51 But with you-

Tony Robbins 1:18:51 Let's see if I'm capable of that. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:18:52 Yeah, with you I don't, I don't even want to do it with you. I'm like-

Tony Robbins 1:18:54 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:18:55 I'm like, I don't want to do that with you. I want to break the rules.

Tony Robbins 1:18:57 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:18:57 I'm like, why am I gonna restrict your greatness to that? Anyway, so here we go. These are your Final Five.

Tony Robbins 1:19:02 Okay.

Jay Shetty 1:19:02 We can totally go off-piste. I do not care.

Tony Robbins 1:19:04 So go for it.

Jay Shetty 1:19:05 I don't care at all. All right. Question number one is, what is the best advice you've ever received?

Tony Robbins 1:19:10 I think, um, for me, my original teacher was Jim Rohn.

Jay Shetty 1:19:14 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:19:14 When I met him, when I was 17, and I wanted to know why all my fathers were broke, 'cause they were good men.

Jay Shetty 1:19:22 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:19:22 You know, I loved all four of my fathers. And um, and I remember him saying, "Tony, we're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace."

Jay Shetty 1:19:31 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:19:32 And I was like, "What does that mean?"

Jay Shetty 1:19:33 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:19:33 And he said, "Well, think about it." He goes, "You need to become more valuable if you want to have economic freedom." He said, "You have to work on yourself more than anything else, and you have to work on it in a way where there's something you can do for others better than anyone else."

Jay Shetty 1:19:48 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:19:48 "Or at least more, at a better quality." And he gave me an example of, like, working at McDonald's, and he said, you know, "If you work at McDonald's," you know, you make whatever it was in those days, $5 an hour, whatever it was, and he said, you know... And I go, "Yeah, but that seems so unfair." And he goes, "Yeah, and teachers," I gave the example of teachers, and there's these billionaires, you know, that make a billion dollars a year, hedge fund guy, you know? And he said, "Tony, the guy you just mentioned, he p- provided a 40% return last year." And that went to nonprofits and everything else. He said, "That means those organizations double their money almost every two years." He is adding massive value, hundreds of billion dollars, so he made a billion. He goes, "This person is doing a job that anyone can learn in 20 minutes or a half a day, so it's a beginning job." He said, "You got, you got to think of it as one thing. It's all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world?" And that stuck with me. I mean, I was just like, I, I decided I wanted to do more for others than anybody in the world. In order to do that, I had to have certain skills, and I went after those skills, and I still do.

Jay Shetty 1:20:44 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:20:45 Like, it's a never-ending thing.

Jay Shetty 1:20:46 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:20:46 If you think you're a master, you're full of it, right?

Jay Shetty 1:20:47 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:20:48 So I think that's probably some of the best advice I've received, at least on life and business and direction and, and it affected my mission.

Jay Shetty 1:20:55 Yeah. That's great. Uh, second question, what's the worst piece of advice you've ever had?

Tony Robbins 1:20:59 The worst piece of advice. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:21:00 You've ever had.

Tony Robbins 1:21:00 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:21:01 Not received. Maybe received, but-

Tony Robbins 1:21:02 Oh, my God.

Jay Shetty 1:21:03 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:21:03 Well, I've had lots of pieces of advice about what to do with my body, which would have... You know, like, like, the, the really sweet man, like sincere man-

Jay Shetty 1:21:10 Yes. Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:21:10 ... and, and I realize that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong.

Jay Shetty 1:21:14 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:21:14 Um, but, like, if I would've taken that drug, you know, I probably would've had cancer.

Jay Shetty 1:21:18 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:21:18 Um, I don't know. I mean, I, I try not to listen to or forget-

Jay Shetty 1:21:22 [laughs] Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:21:22 ... any advice isn't too good. I think anybody who, who advises you to give up is the wrong... [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:21:27 Yeah. Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:21:27 That's, that's probably the worst advice of all, because anything that you persist in long enough you can find the answer to, I believe.

Jay Shetty 1:21:33 Yeah. And based on that also, the first piece of advice you get on your health-

Tony Robbins 1:21:36 Yes. Yes

Jay Shetty 1:21:36 ... is, is not always the right piece of advice.

Tony Robbins 1:21:38 There's this... I'm glad you mentioned this.

Jay Shetty 1:21:40 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:21:40 The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017. They took 286 patients with various diagnosis, and they took the first diagnosis, and then they had a s- a second doctor do a, a diagnosis. Only 12% of the time did they match.

Jay Shetty 1:21:53 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:21:54 That means 88% of the time the first diagnosis and the second were different.

Jay Shetty 1:21:58 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:21:59 As a result, the Mayo Clinic says you should always get a second opinion, and they believe getting a second, even a third one, refines the diagnosis and makes it better, because everyone's working through their perceptions. It's not... We think of, of medicine as, like, black and white. You know, it's right or it's wrong.

Jay Shetty 1:22:14 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:22:14 And it's, it's, it's a lot of art in, in medicine.

Jay Shetty 1:22:17 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:22:17 And people don't realize that.

Jay Shetty 1:22:18 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:22:18 And that's why the standard of care doesn't always get the result they want. That's why these breakthrough doctors b- beyond the standard of care, they were attacked, some of them, in the beginning. Like, there's a man named Dr. June in there who created these CAR T-cells, and I think it's Nature just did a publication 10 years later, they're still... You know, in cancer they never call it a cure. They're actually calling it a cure for the first time for liquid, uh, you know, like, like, leukemia and things like liquid cancers, and it's like, it's amazing. So you, you've got to understand that there's more than one opinion, and you don't give up too easily with just one.

Jay Shetty 1:22:48 Yeah. And that applies to life, too, in so many ways-

Tony Robbins 1:22:50 In anything

Jay Shetty 1:22:50 ... like you said. Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:22:51 I always say it's like if it's, if it's about your health, if it's about your relationship, if it's about raising your children, if it's about your spiritual development-

Jay Shetty 1:22:58 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:22:58 ... those are areas where people should be your coach, not your commander.

Jay Shetty 1:23:01 Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:23:02 Get lots of input and you decide, 'cause they could be sincere and be sincerely wrong.

Jay Shetty 1:23:06 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:23:06 If you're wrong, at least you learn from your own experience.

Jay Shetty 1:23:08 Absolutely. Question number three, uh, what's something you think the majority of people value but you don't value?

Tony Robbins 1:23:15 Fame, but, you know, it's easy when you have something, then it's, like, easy to go, "Oh, everybody wants it."

Jay Shetty 1:23:19 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:23:19 You know? But it's like when you experience it-

Jay Shetty 1:23:21 When, when did that happen? Did, was there ever a time you valued fame or, or was it the experience of it that made you devalue it a little?

Tony Robbins 1:23:27 I wouldn't say I devalue it.

Jay Shetty 1:23:28 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:23:28 I, I still appreciate it. It's, it's a privilege. Like, I got... You know, I can walk in the room and have people that I have a, a connection with, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:23:35 Mm. Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:23:35 But it's been more based on my contribution to them than just being famous per se.

Jay Shetty 1:23:39 Yes. Yeah. Okay, great. I understand.

Tony Robbins 1:23:40 And, I mean, that's the difference.

Jay Shetty 1:23:41 Yes. Yes.

Tony Robbins 1:23:41 You know, like, a lot of my friends l- you know, in the movie business, like, somebody comes up and they get upset 'cause they go, "They don't even know who I am. They just want something from me." And mine is, it's a privilege if, if somebody can be lit up by your presence. To me, it's a privilege.

Jay Shetty 1:23:51 Yeah. Absolutely.

Tony Robbins 1:23:51 So, but I think, I think... I never, I was never pursuing fame.

Jay Shetty 1:23:56 Yes. Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:23:56 Um, I, you know, I certainly wanted financial freedom 'cause I grew up without it for my family.

Jay Shetty 1:24:00 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:24:00 But I never, uh, I was never looking to be wealthy. Um, but I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage, so-

Jay Shetty 1:24:07 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:24:08 ... but I know that there are people that have got billions of dollars, I've worked with them, and they're miserable. I've worked with people that billion dollars and they take their own life.

Jay Shetty 1:24:15 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:24:16 You know, it, what matters is where's your emotional home?

Jay Shetty 1:24:18 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:24:19 You know, where do you live emotionally? If you're worth a billion dollars and every day you're pissed off and frustrated, your life is pissed off and frustrated.

Jay Shetty 1:24:25 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:24:25 If you got three beautiful children or a beautiful husband or wife and all this love in your life but you're worried all the time, you don't feel the love. You're worried. So I, my, my thing is valuing the emotional home and making it the richest place possible inside-

Jay Shetty 1:24:38 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:24:38 ... 'cause that's the only thing you can control.

Jay Shetty 1:24:39 Yeah. You reminded me, I was, I was with one of my clients who gets recognized a hundred times for every one time I would get recognized.

Tony Robbins 1:24:45 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:24:46 And he'd get stopped every two seconds and someone take a picture.

Tony Robbins 1:24:48 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:24:48 Maybe someone come shake my hand and talk to me.

Tony Robbins 1:24:50 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:24:50 And we spent a whole day together, and this would happen multiple times a day for him-

Tony Robbins 1:24:53 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:24:53 ... and a few times for me. And he said something really beautiful with me that, that mirrors what you've just said now. He said to me, he said, "Jay, the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped is they stop me for who I play in the movies-"

Tony Robbins 1:25:05 Right

Jay Shetty 1:25:05 "... because they stop you for who you are."

Tony Robbins 1:25:07 That's right.

Jay Shetty 1:25:07 And, and that's what I feel with you.

Tony Robbins 1:25:08 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:25:08 It's like what you were saying there, it's like that is a privilege and an honor-

Tony Robbins 1:25:11 It's a total privilege

Jay Shetty 1:25:12 ... and humbles me because it's the idea of, yeah, like, that person... He's like, "They don't even know who I am."

Tony Robbins 1:25:16 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:25:16 "They don't know what I stand for. They don't know what I care about."

Tony Robbins 1:25:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:25:18 So that was... Yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

Tony Robbins 1:25:21 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:25:21 All right. Question number four is, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Tony Robbins 1:25:28 Love. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:25:29 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:25:30 I mean, I mean-

Jay Shetty 1:25:30 Love everyone

Tony Robbins 1:25:31 ... as corny as it is, love is the answer.

Jay Shetty 1:25:32 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:25:32 Right? It really is.

Jay Shetty 1:25:33 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:25:33 I think, uh, fear is what... You know, i- if there's a disease of humanity, the disease that messes us up, I think really is selfishness.

Jay Shetty 1:25:42 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:25:43 And I think if there's a cure, it's love.

Jay Shetty 1:25:45 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:25:45 And I think, um, you can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life, you know?

Jay Shetty 1:25:51 I love that. Absolutely. And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to me that I must read, and you said you wanted to talk about it in the podcast too. So-

Tony Robbins 1:25:58 Yes

Jay Shetty 1:25:58 ... fifth and final question, I thought maybe I'd let you share on that point-

Tony Robbins 1:26:02 Yes. Oh, yes

Jay Shetty 1:26:02 ... if you wanted to talk about cycles that we spoke about earlier.

Tony Robbins 1:26:04 There's a book I read, and I think it came out in the early '90s, and it's called The Fourth Turning. And it's, it has a... The conceit of the book is that there are seasons in history. And as I mentioned to you earlier, if you think about, like, what gives somebody power in any context, it's three things. It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses, as I am today I'm pretty good at it, it's like I've, I recognize there's only so many patterns. I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can grow it. If you're great in f- uh, let's say the stock market, you know to recognize patterns. If you're great with music, you recognize patterns. If you're great spiritually, you recognize patterns. But the second skill is you don't just recognize them, you can use them.

Jay Shetty 1:26:44 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:26:44 And the third skill is when you've y- recognized and used enough patterns, you start to create them.

Jay Shetty 1:26:49 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:26:50 And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So in this book, you really start to see that humanity changed when we recognized the pattern of the seasons.

Jay Shetty 1:26:58 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:26:59 Soon as we understood seasons, we didn't have to be wandering through the desert anymore searching for things. We could stay and we could grow crops, 'cause we found out if you plant in the winter, [laughs] it doesn't matter how hard you work-

Jay Shetty 1:27:09 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:27:09 ... nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant, when you know how do the right thing at the right time, then all of a sudden humanity bu- grew into communities and cities and states and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life. So, you know, in, in, you know, some of the traditional, let's say, Indian philosophy, as I'm sure you know, there, we can look at these four stages.

Jay Shetty 1:27:29 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:27:30 But we can look at it and say, "Look, first 20 years of your life roughly, you're primarily learning and taking things in." Some of us had to work at five years old and so forth, but overall that's how it is. From 20 to 40, that, you know, that's springtime. Summer, you're figuring out who you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, now let me test it. Do I really believe that? Does it really work? I now have real relationships. I think I'm invincible. Maybe I'm not, I f- discover. 20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life, and if you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time, right? It's like the fall, and the autumn, and things come together and things go great. And then from 60 to 80, and maybe 80 on if you have an extended winter, that's the wintertime where now you get to be kind of an elder. So everyone is gonna hit winter if they live long enough, meaning some people experience winter in that zero to 20 stage.

Jay Shetty 1:28:17 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:28:18 Some people 20 to 40.

Jay Shetty 1:28:19 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:28:20 When you experience it shapes your life a lot. So-

Jay Shetty 1:28:23 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:28:23 ... in America, the generation we call the Greatest Generation is the generation of World War II, and they were not respected as young people. I bring this up 'cause millennials, you know, older people very often look at millennials and go, "Oh, they're snowflakes, they can't handle anything." And some are. In every generation there are people like that. But the generation that was born, let's say, in 1910, that generation, if you think about it, they came of age going to that 20-year-old range. What happened in those 20 years? Well, World War I ended and America was one of the winners, and then there was the Roaring '20s and new technology and cars and parties, and all this abundance. It was everywhere. So they grew up thinking that's what their life was gonna be like, and at 19 years old, if they're born in 1910, it was 1929. And the whole world, around the world, people jumping out of buildings, the Dust Bowl in the middle of the place, jobs lost. I mean, it was intense. And they were called flappers. They were not respected.

Jay Shetty 1:29:18 [laughs]

Tony Robbins 1:29:18 They were just partiers. They didn't give a damn about anything. They had no responsibility. And suddenly life hit them, and they grew. They had to. And they went through 10 years of that depression only to make it to 29 years old when it's now 1939-

Jay Shetty 1:29:32 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:29:32 ... and World War II breaks out. And you and I weren't alive then-

Jay Shetty 1:29:35 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:29:35 ... but anybody alive then will tell you Hitler was winning.

Jay Shetty 1:29:38 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:29:38 Countries were dropping. And your country, and London-

Jay Shetty 1:29:40 Mm-hmm

Tony Robbins 1:29:40 ... was being bombed.

Jay Shetty 1:29:41 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:29:42 I mean, it did not look like we were gonna win. It was dark.

Jay Shetty 1:29:44 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:29:45 Right? And they made it through that, went over, fought the war, and won. So they have this stage of their life from 20 to 40 which was a horrendous experience, but it made them so strong.

Jay Shetty 1:29:56 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:29:56 And they came back heroes, and they started the next springtime.

Jay Shetty 1:30:00 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:30:00 'Cause that was winter, right?

Jay Shetty 1:30:01 Mm-hmm.

Tony Robbins 1:30:01 So next springtime was the late '40s after World War II through the 1950s, early '60s until Kennedy was shot. That kind of 18, 20-year period was a period of great prosperity and growth and everything's easy. And then you have a summer which is always internal conflict.

Jay Shetty 1:30:16 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:30:16 And you can see this in 1,000 years of Roman history. Every 80 to 100 years you've seen the same patterns. And then after that you have another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything grows again. This happens over and over and over again through history. So when you see it, it gives you perspective.

Jay Shetty 1:30:34 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:30:34 And so we're in winter right now. We've been in winter since about 2008, and we're f- not done. We probably got another six... If history shows-

Jay Shetty 1:30:42 Mm

Tony Robbins 1:30:42 ... you know, the, if, if it's repetitive, it's not exact.

Jay Shetty 1:30:45 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:30:45 There's probably another seven or eight years of this. And what happens in winter is the external world gets r- the last winter was World War II, and the external world is reformed. Different countries relate in a different way. You know, a new reserve f- currency happened. The United States became the dominant force. Now you're dealing with China. We're seeing the challenges happening in Russia and the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over the world. People are looking at life differently.

Jay Shetty 1:31:09 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:31:09 People are worried about whether the planet's gonna survive or not, global warming, and so there's gonna be a lot more turmoil. There's internal turmoil within most countries, including the United States. But what I try to tell people, and hopefully helps them, is winter does not last forever.

Jay Shetty 1:31:24 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:31:24 No pandemic has lasted forever. No war has lasted forever. And what's next is springtime. If you were God, wouldn't you work it out that way? After the vicious night- [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:31:32 Yeah

Tony Robbins 1:31:32 ... you have this beautiful day.

Jay Shetty 1:31:33 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:31:33 After the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal right now is to get strong in winter.

Jay Shetty 1:31:38 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:31:39 Not to fold. To, if you can be strong in this season, in your business, in your life, then when springtime comes it's a piece of cake.

Jay Shetty 1:31:46 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:31:46 And if you do well in business during this time, if you look at the Fortune 1000, 65% of them were born in a winter, in a depression or a recession.

Jay Shetty 1:31:54 Wow. Wow.

Tony Robbins 1:31:54 Whether it's Exxon or it's Disney in depressions, or whether it's Pizza Hut or Federal Express that was done in a recession, or Apple or Microsoft in a recession. So if you do well then, you tend to do well through time.

Jay Shetty 1:32:07 Right.

Tony Robbins 1:32:07 And so this is a time t- you know, n- not to say, "Oh, it's winter. I'm gonna freeze to death." It's like, no, this is a time to learn, grow, expand, spend time with your family, snowboard, [laughs] you know? Take advantage of the season, and don't think the season is forever.

Jay Shetty 1:32:21 Yeah.

Tony Robbins 1:32:21 And if you, if you read a book like this, it, it's a book that, like, some of the greatest leaders I know have all read this book. I got... They also wrote a book called Generations. It's about 550 pages of Anglo-American history, and it shows how each generation affects it. So what you start seeing is there's patterns here. There's patterns in history. This isn't forever.

Jay Shetty 1:32:40 Mm.

Tony Robbins 1:32:40 How do I use what's in front of me instead of freaking out and saying, "Oh, my God, the whole world's coming to an end," 'cause it looks like that when the dark night of the winter happens, or the dark night of the soul.

Jay Shetty 1:32:49 Yeah. Tony, thank you so much.

Tony Robbins 1:32:51 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:32:52 Everyone, Tony Robbins, Life Force, the book's available right now. We're gonna put the link in the captions, the comments, everywhere. Highly recommend that you go and grab this book. Um, it will not disappoint. And as you heard today, we've just skimmed the surface on the level of insight and wisdom that exists within this book. Please, please, please go and grab a copy. Tony, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart-

Tony Robbins 1:33:11 Thank you, brother

Jay Shetty 1:33:12 ... for-

Tony Robbins 1:33:12 It's been my pleasure

Jay Shetty 1:33:13 ... this incredible honor, um-

Tony Robbins 1:33:15 Thank you. Thanks for coming all this way and coming here

Jay Shetty 1:33:16 ... of bringing you, to have you, have, have me in your home.

Tony Robbins 1:33:18 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:33:18 And I hope this is the first of many, many meetings, but-

Tony Robbins 1:33:20 I look forward to it, too

Jay Shetty 1:33:21 ... thank you so much. I'm so grateful.

Tony Robbins 1:33:22 Blessings to you, brother.

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