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Jay Shetty PodcastWillow Smith & Jahnavi ON: The Law Of Vibration EXPLAINED (Raise Your Frequency) | Jay Shetty
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Welcome and the First Studio Session
Jay and Radhi introduce their friends Willow and Jahnavi Harrison and their new EP, Rise. Radhi asks about the first time they made music together, and both describe a nervous but magical six-hour session that ended around midnight.
- •First collaboration was the song Surrender, recorded the night before Jahnavi flew out of LA
- •Willow was nervous and wanted to feel worthy of Jahnavi's channeling in kirtan
- •Neither had a finished composition, so they went in curious and got absorbed
- •Willow says synergy like this is rare for her with other artists
- •Jay and Radhi are fans of both artists and introduced them
What They Learned From Each Other
Jay asks what each has learned from the other. Jahnavi describes Willow's fast, fearless, curious approach, and Willow credits Jahnavi with grounding her in intention.
- •Jahnavi was taken aback by Willow's pace and confidence in sound
- •Willow's approach is exploratory rather than controlling about the result
- •Willow says Jahnavi's intentionality grounded her when she was overshooting
- •Willow says the two approaches complete each other, as opposites attract
Shared Intention, Trust, and Working Through Differences
Radhi asks about their intention for the music. Willow wants to bring people closer to themselves, and both want to make sacred sound accessible. Their shared intention built trust through long-distance work during COVID and a stressful phone call.
- •Willow wanted to explore devotional music for the first time
- •Mantra tracks are kept short and some songs use a familiar verse-and-bridge format
- •Shared intention built trust when they made decisions across time zones
- •A long phone call about creative stress was healing for both
- •Jahnavi came to trust Willow's bass and electronic sounds, and Radhi points to the absence of ego
Willow's Journey From Pop Stardom to Service
Jay asks Willow about her path toward healing devotional music. She describes early spiritual interest, leaving pop stardom, a dark period of depression and self-harm, and finding purpose in service through music.
- •Willow was drawn as a child to her mother's books and art about Hindu gods and goddesses
- •She chose to stop the Whip My Hair lifestyle because she wanted to actually live
- •Leaving was hard because projects were already paid for and scripts written
- •She spent two to three years in depression, self-harm and no creativity
- •Fans telling her that her voice helped them gave her a reason to continue
Jahnavi's Path From Bhakti Upbringing to Sharing Kirtan
Jay asks Jahnavi about moving from growing up in the tradition to sharing it widely. She describes her temple school, her kirtan-singing father, her shyness, and years of resisting a calling that kept returning.
- •She attended a school where they studied the Bhagavad Gita and chanted daily
- •Her father was well known as a kirtan singer
- •She was shy and felt pressure to sing like her dad
- •She began leading kirtan around 19 or 20 and treats it as prayer, not performance
- •Yoga and mindfulness going mainstream gave her confidence to embrace the role
Purpose as a Meandering Path
Jay reflects on the pressure on young people to find their purpose instantly, contrasting it with both women's winding paths. Willow adds that stepping into your calling takes work on internal obstacles.
- •Jay says purpose is not found in one magical moment
- •Both artists' paths involved getting lost, refining, feeling stuck and questioning
- •Willow says internal obstacles must be worked on before stepping into purpose
- •Willow says she is still trying to step in
Daily Practices That Enrich Their Lives
Radhi asks about daily practices. Jahnavi describes mantra meditation as a chain to hold in life's current, and Willow describes yoga, reading and meditation, with both stressing consistency.
- •Jahnavi compares mantra meditation to the chains used in sacred Indian rivers
- •Her mantra is a prayer to be of service, which turns attention away from self-absorption
- •Willow practices yoga, reads daily and is reading Inner Engineering by Sadhguru
- •Both say consistency and repetition make a practice second nature
Creating Devotional Music: Ancient Vibration and a New Sound
Jay praises the EP as timeless yet current and asks what is different about devotional music. Willow speaks of carrying an ancient vibration, and Jahnavi describes stretching herself to write English lyrics.
- •Jay calls the sound a no-genre blend of timeless and current
- •Willow says the ancient vibration comes from generations of spiritual people, not just her
- •The studio had a small altar to keep the space sacred
- •Jahnavi stretched herself by sharing English lyrics she had never recorded
- •Willow encouraged her to go fully for it
Mirrors, Writing, and Nature as Tools for Hard Times
Jay asks what has helped them at tough times and how people can express bottled-up feelings. Willow talks to herself in the mirror, Jahnavi turns to writing and morning pages, and both name nature as a healer.
- •Willow looks in the mirror and explains her emotions to herself
- •Radhi calls this journaling taken to another level
- •Jahnavi treats the page as a mirror and uses free writing
- •Jahnavi walks in nature daily, and Willow says she needs to wake up and see trees
Art, Nature, and Care for the Environment
Jay asks about the link between art and the environment. Jahnavi says nature inspires her creatively, caring grows with connection, and Willow says nature is one of her biggest healing agents.
- •Jahnavi's mother raised her to observe plants and herbs
- •The more you know nature, the more you care for it, like a person
- •Jahnavi believes our deepest essence is meant to be in harmony with nature
- •Willow says living among buildings would harm her mental health
Spirituality, Physics, and Sadhusanga
Jay asks Willow about linking spirituality and science. She describes how the idea that everything is vibration and string theory led her to physics, and she wants to gain intelligence while losing ego. The group discusses like-hearted community, or sadhusanga.
- •Willow read Oneness and was struck by the idea that everything is vibration
- •As a musician, she saw string theory and spirituality as two sides of one coin
- •She wants to become more intelligent while losing her ego
- •Jay says the paradox between intelligence and ego removal makes the path exciting
- •Willow defines sadhusanga as your spiritual family of like-minded people
Fill in the Blank
Jay and Jahnavi take turns reading sentence prompts for the guests to complete, covering music, peace, vulnerability and the meaning of the word rise.
- •Willow says making music is about unlocking people's hearts
- •Jahnavi finds peace when her actions align with her values and heart
- •Willow wants listeners to break down in dance with the love of God
- •Willow wishes she had known ten years ago that others' opinions don't matter
- •Jahnavi says collaboration is about listening
Final Five and Closing the EP
In the final five, Willow and Jahnavi answer one-line questions on lessons, beliefs, a world law and favorite songs. They then impersonate each other's studio habits, and Jay points listeners to the Rise EP.
- •Willow's biggest lesson this year was detachment, Jahnavi's the power of community
- •Jahnavi would make laws of respect, treating others as you wish to be treated, and truthfulness
- •Willow's favorite song is Born To Give for its electric guitar solo over a mantra
- •Jahnavi's favorite is Gajendra, or Let Go, for its story of surrender
- •Jay urges listeners to hear the Rise EP and tag the artists when sharing it
