Willow Smith & Jahnavi ON: The Law Of Vibration EXPLAINED (Raise Your Frequency) | Jay Shetty

Willow Smith 0:00 I think the, the real difference is bringing that, um, ancient vibration to it-

Jay Shetty 0:06 Mm

Willow Smith 0:06 ... that isn't just coming from me. It's coming from generations and generations of, of deeply spiritual individuals, um, who have carried this on. And I think, you know, feeling that is, is the biggest difference for me-

Jay Shetty 0:23 Mm

Willow Smith 0:23 ... 'cause it's not just me coming up with something. [upbeat music]

Jay Shetty 0:31 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each and every single one of you. I'm so grateful that you come back every single week to listen, learn, and grow. And today is a very special episode for a million reasons. I'm gonna start with a couple to get going with. This is the first time that Radhi and I are going to do an interview together.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 0:53 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 0:53 So this is fun, and there's a special, special reason for why we're doing it together, because today we're interviewing two of our dearest friends, incredibly talented, the most creative, who have launched a brand-new EP called Rise, which we cannot wait for you to hear. It is none other than Willow and Jahnavi Harrison.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:17 Woo. [clapping]

Willow Smith 1:18 Woo. Thank you for having us.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:19 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:19 Thank you. This is exciting.

Jay Shetty 1:22 We're so grateful to be with both of you. And, uh- [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:24 Sounds like a vibe

Jay Shetty 1:25 ... [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:25 Sounds like a plan.

Jay Shetty 1:26 But, uh, I'm so excited to have you both here. We're both so excited to have you-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:30 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:30 ... have you here, and just excited to just have this whole energy here-

Willow Smith 1:35 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:35 ... which we have anyway all day long.

Willow Smith 1:37 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:38 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:38 And so why not bring it into an interview? So Radhi's gonna go with the first question, actually.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:43 I am.

Willow Smith 1:43 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:43 I'm gonna get my, uh-

Willow Smith 1:44 Yes

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:44 ... professional-

Willow Smith 1:45 Yes, Radhi

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:46 ... Jay Shetty vibe on. Okay. So Willow and Jahnavi, tell me- [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:52 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:53 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 1:54 Uh, tell me about the first time you guys made your music together.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:57 Oh.

Willow Smith 1:57 Ooh. Well, that would be Surrender.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:00 Yeah.

Willow Smith 2:00 I just have to put it out there, I was super nervous the first time-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 2:03 [laughs]

Willow Smith 2:03 ... we got in the studio together because, you know, listening to your music and seeing you doing kirtan, it was a level of, like, channeling that I had never seen another musician have. And so I was just, like, wanting to be worthy, like, so badly, to be able to make music with you. So that was my [laughs] ... that was my initial emotion-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 2:27 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 2:27 ... um, when, when we first started making music together.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:31 I was probably feeling the same way. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 2:33 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:33 Um, it was actually such a magical experience. And, um, just as it worked out, I was only in LA for about, I think, like, eight, nine days.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 2:44 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:44 And we only managed to actually get together in the studio the night before I was flying out.

Willow Smith 2:50 Yep.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:50 So we knew we had, like, six hours or so, or actually, we had as much time as we wanted, but we could only meet in the evening.

Willow Smith 2:58 Evening.

Jahnavi Harrison 2:58 So we were like, "Okay, there's only so long we're gonna go for."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 3:00 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:01 And but there was just such a special energy, actually.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 3:06 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:06 We had met up, and we had practiced something, and I was nervous too because I find the studio can be a lot of pressure, and-

Willow Smith 3:13 Especially when there's not, like, a idea that's already set.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:16 Exactly.

Willow Smith 3:17 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:17 We didn't have a finished composition or anything, but I think both of us were just feeling excited to work together, and we were like, "Let's just see what happens."

Willow Smith 3:25 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:25 "Let's just have fun with this, and if it's not anything, we'll just have had a fun experience, and we can work on it another time." And we got so absorbed in it.

Willow Smith 3:33 Woo.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:34 And it just was-

Willow Smith 3:35 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 3:35 ... flowing and, and I remember the... You know, it was around midnight when we finished.

Willow Smith 3:40 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:40 We were like, "Okay, let's, let's listen to the whole thing now." And we were just standing there, and Willow was like... We were like-

Willow Smith 3:46 [laughs] We're delirious at this point.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:48 Yeah, we were-

Willow Smith 3:49 After a six-hour session

Jahnavi Harrison 3:49 ... we were tired, but we were, we were just... And then we came out of the studio and we were like, "What was that?"

Willow Smith 3:55 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 3:55 "What just happened? That was so beautiful." And that it was just so natural.

Willow Smith 3:59 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 4:00 So, um-

Willow Smith 4:01 And it's very rare that I have those kind of, like, synergistic... Is that a word?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 4:07 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 4:07 Yeah.

Willow Smith 4:08 Um, experiences with other artists because artists are so, um... I know I'm very opinionated [laughs] and I have, uh, very outlandish ideas, and sometimes the push and pull of that can be kind of, um, uncomfortable. But for me and Jahnavi, it was like second nature from the-

Jahnavi Harrison 4:25 Yeah

Willow Smith 4:25 ... from the start.

Jahnavi Harrison 4:26 It felt like old friends and a, and a... And even though we're so different in many ways, we... There was just this feeling of ease and understanding, which is, it's like that's what you always hope for in collaboration with other artists. So yeah, we were like, "We have to do this again."

Willow Smith 4:43 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 4:43 [laughs] I love that. The reason it's so special as well is that Radhi and I both absolutely adore you individually in your own music. So, like, we would be in a car-

Willow Smith 4:53 Yeah

Jay Shetty 4:53 ... we'd be playing and listening to you, Willow.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 4:55 We'd be-

Willow Smith 4:55 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 4:55 Yeah

Jay Shetty 4:55 ... like, we'd just be listening to your music. And then I've known Jahnavi now for 15 years, and so I've always been attracted to her-

Willow Smith 5:03 Yeah

Jay Shetty 5:03 ... music and, and the way she creates and how devotional it is.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 5:07 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 5:07 And so for us to see you both together-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 5:09 Magic

Jay Shetty 5:10 ... is just, it's, it's so fulfilling. So I wanna ask you both, and we're gonna uncover all the layers as we go along, but-

Willow Smith 5:16 I also, just before you start, I also just wanna thank you both-

Jahnavi Harrison 5:19 Yes

Willow Smith 5:19 ... for bringing us together.

Jahnavi Harrison 5:21 Round of applause. [clapping] [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 5:23 You guys are meant to meet either way. Like-

Jay Shetty 5:25 Yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 5:25 ... whether it was through us or whether it was through another way, there was 100%, like, you guys were meant to meet. This was meant to happen, and, um, everybody needed this in their life. So I think it was just happened to be us, but it would've been somewhere, somehow it would've happened 'cause you guys-

Jahnavi Harrison 5:41 But I, but I think you, you, you need to take credit-

Willow Smith 5:44 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 5:44 ... some credit because-

Willow Smith 5:45 [laughs] That's what I feel

Jahnavi Harrison 5:45 ... it's because of what you-

Jay Shetty 5:46 Leave it. I'll take the credit.

Willow Smith 5:47 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 5:48 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 5:49 If you don't wanna take it, I'll take it.

Jahnavi Harrison 5:51 But I think you're both-

Jay Shetty 5:52 Carry on

Jahnavi Harrison 5:52 ... you're, you're, you're [laughs] you're both such special people that you, you attract such wonderful souls all around you. And you're always, I think, it's probably gonna happen throughout your lives that you're making these beautiful connections. So yeah, we were, we were both... We always talk about that. We're so grateful-

Willow Smith 6:08 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 6:08 ... that you introduced us.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:09 It's just selfish, really, 'cause I really wanted some, like, new music of yours to play. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 6:13 We are just gonna bring together.

Jay Shetty 6:16 No, we-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:17 Yeah, it was very, very-

Jay Shetty 6:17 Thank you. You guys are both really sweet. Like, we, we love you for that, and we- we're loving seeing both of your-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:23 Mm

Jay Shetty 6:23 ... collaboration and friendship, and our friendship all blossoming-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:27 Right

Jay Shetty 6:27 ... because of this-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:27 Yeah

Jay Shetty 6:28 ... devotional connect that we all have. And-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:30 Mm.

Jay Shetty 6:30 I wanna ask you, what did you... What have you both learned from each other in this process?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:36 Mm.

Jay Shetty 6:36 And it can be musical or non-musical. It can be anywhere you wanna go with it.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:39 Mm.

Willow Smith 6:40 A lot of things.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:41 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 6:41 [laughs] I'll, I... Yeah, I'll, I'll say, uh, I, I feel I've learned so much from Willow. I think one of the, one of the very obvious things about the process of working together was our different, um, just different, like, pace and-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 6:56 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 6:56 ... way of approaching creative work. Um, and Willow's obviously had so much more experience as a recording artist, um, as a composer. You know, you've, you've recorded so much and compose your own, written your own songs. And for me, um, even though I have recorded music, it's still, it's still something I get very nervous about, 'cause most of what I do is, is sort of live meditation experiences.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 7:24 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 7:24 So we hadn't worked together that much apart from that one song, so I didn't really know Willow's sort of style and pace.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 7:31 Especially with production. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 7:31 Yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 7:32 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 7:33 And the first day, I was like... I was taken aback. I was like, "Wow."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 7:37 I could tell.

Jahnavi Harrison 7:37 Willow's s- so confident about her, you know, what she's looking for in the sound, and also fast-paced.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 7:44 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 7:45 And I, I tend to be quite slow, too slow sometimes. Like, people are always wanting me to make decisions faster. So although it was like, by the end of it, I was like, "Wow, this has really-"

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 7:56 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 7:56 "... pushed me creatively in such a wonderful way," initially I, I was like [laughs] you know-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:02 I know. I know. I was, I was trying to, like... [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 8:05 Not in a bad way, not in a scary way, but it w- it was just like, you know when y- y- you're just like, "Oh, okay, I- I'm gonna be growing here."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:12 Yeah, it's a-

Jahnavi Harrison 8:12 "I'm gonna learn something here."

Willow Smith 8:14 Took you up a gear.

Jahnavi Harrison 8:14 Yeah, it took-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:15 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 8:15 ... me up a gear. Um, but I love that. I, you know, I, I was sharing with someone the other day that Willow's approach is so... It... I feel it's the ideal artistic approach, which is-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:26 Wow

Jahnavi Harrison 8:26 ... which is to be-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:27 Thank you.

Jahnavi Harrison 8:27 Yeah. It's, it's to be, um, curious and not overly controlling of the, of the end result. Like, it's really to discover-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:37 Mm-hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 8:38 ... to, for the studio to be a space of exploration rather than, like, "I wanna have this specific thing, and it can't be anything other than that."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 8:46 Totally.

Jahnavi Harrison 8:46 It's, it's a very playful and curious approach, and I think I can tend to be more focused on, like, "Okay, but it has to be just like this." So yeah, by, by the end of it, I just felt like, wow, I'm ready to be just more fearless in, in creating and more open to what I could discover. That's just one thing.

Jay Shetty 9:05 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 9:06 There's many more, but I'll, I'll let you-

Jay Shetty 9:07 I love that.

Willow Smith 9:08 I think, I think, you know, I would even almost say, like, the inverse. Like, I, I felt in times that I was overshooting and, like, kind of getting lost in the, "But what about this? And we could do this, and maybe it's this," and like [laughs] I felt like Jahnavi was really instrumental in, like, kind of bringing, grounding me and being like, "Okay, what's the intention behind this? Like, I know you like that sound, but why-"

Jahnavi Harrison 9:34 Yeah.

Willow Smith 9:34 "... are we using that sound?"

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 9:35 [laughs]

Willow Smith 9:36 You know what I mean? Like, what's the int- where does that sound go in the song? What is that sound gonna say?

Jahnavi Harrison 9:40 Mm.

Willow Smith 9:40 Like, what's the intention of this? So-

Jahnavi Harrison 9:42 Mm

Willow Smith 9:42 ... her... Like, your intentionality with everything, y- you might think that it's sometimes a hindrance, but I think it's a blessing because, you know, you know in your heart of hearts what every single instrument and every single lyric means to you.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 9:57 Mm.

Willow Smith 9:57 Um, and you're not just throwing things at the wall like-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:00 Yeah

Willow Smith 10:00 ... "Let's see if this sticks, and maybe this."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:02 Yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 10:02 You know what I mean?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:03 Yeah.

Willow Smith 10:03 And I think those two approaches, um, they just complete each other-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:07 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 10:07 Yeah

Willow Smith 10:07 ... in a really nice way. Um, as they say, opposites attract. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:11 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 10:11 Yeah.

Willow Smith 10:12 And I think that this was a case of that.

Jahnavi Harrison 10:14 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:15 What do you guys feel, both of you together and individually, what was your intention for the music that you were creating together?

Willow Smith 10:21 I always want my music to bring people closer to themself-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:28 Mm

Willow Smith 10:28 ... make them feel like they're learning something or they're, or there's a thought that's being planted, um, that grows over time. Um, and listening to Jahnavi's music, that's exactly how I felt. And then seeing it live, it was like, "Okay, how can I just bottle this?" [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:47 Yeah.

Willow Smith 10:47 Just to... Like, I just wanna have this. Obviously, it's... That's the beautiful nature of it because you can't bottle it, and you can't just have it.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:53 [laughs]

Willow Smith 10:54 That's why it's beautiful.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 10:54 [laughs]

Willow Smith 10:55 But, um, you know, I think that, going into it, that was my... And I had never made a devotional album before.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:02 Yeah.

Willow Smith 11:02 So I was even extra excited to explore that different part of me and what I could do with, with this new-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:10 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 11:10 ... you know, with this new path in my life.

Jay Shetty 11:12 I think also, just, just speaking from having heard you do it and just hearing you talk about it when we're all having lunch or when we're hanging out and just, I feel like your intention was so pure for it.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:23 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 11:24 Like, from the moment that you first heard devotional music, I remember the first time, it was, we were doing a session, and then I was like-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:31 Oh, yeah

Jay Shetty 11:31 ... "Oh, crap, I can't sing." And then-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:34 And I can't play instrument

Jay Shetty 11:35 ... Radhi, Radhi can sing, but she chooses not to.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:38 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 11:38 And then we were like-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:39 That's true

Jay Shetty 11:39 ... "Oh, let's play Jahnavi on, on our phone." [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:42 Yay. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 11:42 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 11:42 And then that's the first time we all meditated in that way.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:45 And then there's Willow on the floor.

Jay Shetty 11:46 Yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 11:47 I know, just like-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:48 Oh my goodness

Willow Smith 11:49 ... "Oh my God."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:50 Like, just fully with your heart open-

Jay Shetty 11:51 Yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:51 ... like, ready to receive.

Jay Shetty 11:53 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 11:53 And that's the one thing about you, like... And actually, on that note, when you were even thinking about doing this album, I feel like from what Jahnavi has told me, and even experiencing from you, you wanted to get things so right.

Willow Smith 12:04 Yes.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:04 So whether it was your pronunciation-

Willow Smith 12:06 Ooh

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:06 ... or whether it was like, "Oh, what does this word actually mean?"

Willow Smith 12:09 Yes.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:09 Like, "Oh, how is this word used?" Like, you really want to understand the depths. You're not just trying to stay-

Willow Smith 12:15 And that journey-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:17 Yeah

Willow Smith 12:17 ... I, I want it to continue, and I wanna keep nourishing that. Um, because just through this music I've, I've found such a deep love for just the bhakti tradition-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:29 Yeah

Willow Smith 12:29 ... in general. Um, and I'm just so excited to just dive deeper into that and, and learn more and just, just broaden my horizon-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:38 Yeah

Willow Smith 12:38 ... in my, in my, in that devotional sense.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:40 Which is so beautiful. Like, you want depth. You don't just want, you know, just like, "Oh, this sounds really good."

Willow Smith 12:45 Exactly.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:45 You know, you really wanted to understand it and feel it in you so that other people can feel it.

Willow Smith 12:49 Definitely.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:50 And I think that makes a difference. Like, both of you feel it so deeply, and you've experienced it-

Willow Smith 12:54 Mm-hmm

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 12:54 ... in different ways, so you're trying to share that experience with other people. But you can only share an experience that you've had yourself.

Willow Smith 13:00 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 13:00 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 13:01 Um, and so I think you really feel that through both of your music and through your words, and it comes from your heart.

Jahnavi Harrison 13:07 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 13:07 Thank you.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 13:07 So, but I haven't heard from you. Your turn.

Jahnavi Harrison 13:09 No, I think that, that definitely that was our desire to, to try to capture the essence of what that is, this, this experience with mantra, with sacred sound, and share it in a way that makes it a l- that little bit more accessible for people-

Willow Smith 13:27 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 13:27 ... who haven't experienced it before. So that's manifest in the form of, you know, these song... Like, the typical mantra session might be, like, half an hour, an hour, and you're singing the same thing over and over again. That might be very daunting for someone who's never experienced that before. So one of our mantra tracks is two minutes long, and-

Willow Smith 13:45 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 13:46 ... and, and some of our songs are, you know, touching on stories or themes from the bhakti tradition, but they're more in a kind of typical song format-

Willow Smith 13:55 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 13:55 ... with, you know, a couple verses, a bridge like that. So it's something familiar, but it's conveying something of this, uh, deep, authentic tradition. And so I, I think it's very natural that when something profoundly affects your life and touches your heart and is a, is, offers a space of shelter and upliftment-

Willow Smith 14:15 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 14:15 ... you wanna share it with other people.

Willow Smith 14:16 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 14:17 So that's what we, we want to just give it as a gift, you know-

Willow Smith 14:20 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 14:20 ... if we can. And I, I really treasure the fact that we both had that same intention and-

Willow Smith 14:26 Mm.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 14:28 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 14:28 ... it makes working on anything just a complete joy-

Willow Smith 14:31 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 14:31 ... because you feel s- you feel so aligned then, you know.

Willow Smith 14:34 And that trust was really there.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 14:35 Yeah.

Willow Smith 14:35 Like, we both knew our intentions.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 14:38 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 14:38 And so, you know, trying to do things over long distance because of COVID and, you know, having to make decisions maybe without one another because of time differences-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 14:47 Yeah

Willow Smith 14:47 ... and, you know, that trust was always there because we knew that our intentions were the same.

Jahnavi Harrison 14:53 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 14:53 Which is also probably why what you were saying before about how your differences actually didn't make a difference in a negative way because you both have such a deep-rooted intention-

Willow Smith 15:02 Mm-hmm

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:02 ... that even if, and we're saying as if, even if there was something that you were like, "Oh, gosh," like-

Willow Smith 15:06 Exactly

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:07 ... but as soon as you take yourself back to the intention, you guys were like, "Oh."

Willow Smith 15:10 And there were a couple of those things.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:11 Yeah, of course.

Willow Smith 15:12 There were.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:13 Naturally.

Willow Smith 15:13 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:14 Which could bring feuds to people, but because of how deep-rooted everything was for you-

Willow Smith 15:18 Mm

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:18 ... it kind of just didn't hit that strongly. It was-

Willow Smith 15:21 Yeah, we, we just, we just had to talk it through. I remember we had-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:24 Yeah

Willow Smith 15:24 ... a long phone call because we were trying to do, we were trying to do creative things over, over long distance, and there were other artists that were involved and, you know, we just had to call each other and just be like, "Man, like" [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:36 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 15:36 Yeah.

Willow Smith 15:36 "This is really hard."

Jahnavi Harrison 15:37 I'm stressed about this. [laughs]

Willow Smith 15:38 Like [laughs] and that was, that was really healing for both of us, I feel.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:43 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 15:43 Yeah.

Willow Smith 15:44 Just to be able to express that to one another and to be able to, like, kinda come back and be like, "This is why we're doing this."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:49 Yeah.

Willow Smith 15:50 "Let's not stress about something in a material sense-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:52 Yeah

Willow Smith 15:52 ... um, because that's not why we're doing it anyway."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 15:55 Mm.

Willow Smith 15:55 So, uh, that was a good convo.

Jahnavi Harrison 15:57 Yeah.

Willow Smith 15:58 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 15:58 That was wonderful. And, and even I was, I would say even in terms of the musicality of what we were doing, like, you know, Willow was, was taking the role of producer and, um, and I, I know I've ... It takes me a lot to sort of sometimes break out of the box of the sound of what I, what I do, which is often rooted quite in the traditional, uh, origins of the kirtan tradition. So, um, I remember we were playing with different sounds and with, you know, b- kind of bass sounds-

Willow Smith 16:27 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 16:27 ... and electronic sounds and, and Willow was getting so excited-

Willow Smith 16:30 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 16:30 ... on the little sampler and-

Willow Smith 16:32 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 16:32 ... and I was, and I was just sitting behind her like, "Okay, let's see where this goes."

Willow Smith 16:36 Let's see where this goes.

Jahnavi Harrison 16:36 But I always, you know, i- initially I was like, "Okay, let's see," but then I really felt a sense of trust because I knew, as we've said, that we were both aiming for people to have this, um, heart connection with the music.

Willow Smith 16:49 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 16:49 So I was like, "I'm gonna see where Willow takes it, and I trust," you know, "We're both aiming for the same space."

Willow Smith 16:53 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 16:53 And that's a beautiful thing. That's a-

Willow Smith 16:55 And there were a lot of things that at first seemed to you to be like, "Oh, [laughs] that sound-

Jahnavi Harrison 17:00 Yeah

Willow Smith 17:01 ... is a little deep.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:01 Yeah.

Willow Smith 17:01 That's a deep bass." [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 17:02 Yeah.

Willow Smith 17:03 And I'm like, "But trust me, Jay."

Jahnavi Harrison 17:04 It's like, "Whoa." [laughs]

Willow Smith 17:05 People are gonna hear this and go, "Oh, it's gonna hit right in their chest." And then-

Jahnavi Harrison 17:08 Right

Willow Smith 17:08 ... you hear it, and then you're like, "Oh, wow," like-

Jahnavi Harrison 17:10 Yeah

Willow Smith 17:10 ... "I see. I see this," so.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:12 And I feel that.

Willow Smith 17:13 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:13 I feel that.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 17:14 And it's such a, like how you guys even communicating now, you can just see there's no ego involved in it. It's like you're like, "Yeah, you were right," and you're like, "Yeah, you were right," and-

Willow Smith 17:21 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 17:22 ... and just the communication, I imagine it's so difficult. Even in relationships it's, it's sometimes difficult, even if you've known someone for such a long time-

Willow Smith 17:28 Totally

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 17:28 ... to, you're sometimes scared of saying something that you think might hurt their feelings.

Willow Smith 17:32 Totally.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 17:33 But, um, you know, you guys have built such a honest, you've built a foundation on honesty and integrity, and so it's easy for you guys to communicate because you know where that person's coming from.

Willow Smith 17:42 100%.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:44 Yeah. I think it's a really important part of the story that you guys created this during COVID, during lockdown.

Willow Smith 17:49 Yeah. Definitely.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:50 Being in different parts of the world for a big part of this work.

Willow Smith 17:53 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:53 Coming together for a very short part of it.

Willow Smith 17:56 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 17:56 It's like you created a really collaborative piece at a time when the music's needed most-

Willow Smith 18:02 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 18:03 ... at a time when it's actually difficult to be collaborative and creative.

Willow Smith 18:06 Definitely.

Jahnavi Harrison 18:06 Like, the way, the relationship you guys built, just, uh, anyone who's listening or watching right now, it's fun to watch you both just go back and forth, but to think about the fact that you've actually done this at a time when you weren't always in the same room, I, I think that's a really important thing to honor.

Willow Smith 18:21 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 18:21 And, and what I'm intrigued by now is to, to, to understand from both of you and to hear from both of you about your own journey. So Willow, we'll start with you in terms of-

Jay Shetty 18:30 Tell us about your own journey. You've been sharing so much more about mental health-

Willow Smith 18:33 Yeah

Jay Shetty 18:33 ... anxiety-

Willow Smith 18:34 Mm

Jay Shetty 18:35 ... your own healing, always through your music, but also through your words. Tell us about your journey towards wanting to do more, even more healing, devotional music that you felt is going to help people this year, because this collaboration you both created this year-

Willow Smith 18:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 18:50 ... was truly wanting to help people-

Willow Smith 18:53 100%

Jay Shetty 18:53 ... with the pain that everyone's been going through. So tell us a bit about your journey to that over the last, you know, decade.

Willow Smith 18:59 Ooh. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:01 [laughs]

Willow Smith 19:02 It's, it's a lot. Um, I mean, I don't wanna go into, like, my whole life story, but, um, I mean, is that what I'm-

Jay Shetty 19:10 We're listening. [laughs]

Willow Smith 19:11 Should I do that, or should I... [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:13 Wherever your heart wants to go.

Willow Smith 19:14 Okay. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 19:14 We're with you. We're with you the whole way. Whatever you genuinely feel like sharing from the heart.

Willow Smith 19:17 Totally.

Jay Shetty 19:18 Yeah.

Willow Smith 19:18 Um, so my first interest in, you know, the lifestyle of just integrity and spirituality and meditation, um, I was introduced to that at a very young age. Um, my mother had a bunch of beautiful, um, art pieces and books about Hindu gods and goddesses, and I would just sit on the floor of her meditation room and just, like, look at these beautiful photos and read, you know, about the sentiments of these gods and goddesses. And from a very young age, I was so encapsulated by that and so inspired by that. Um, and, you know, fast-forward to, you know, me doing all the Whip My Hair stuff, and being a pop star, and, and having to realize that that's not the content that I wanted to put out into the world. That's, that's not really the person that I wanted to be. Um, and that was a really difficult decision to make.

Jay Shetty 20:15 What made you realize that?

Willow Smith 20:16 I would go out, and I would be with peers, like kids my age, and I would just be stopped and constantly, "Oh, that's the girl from Whip My Hair. Oh, can you da, da, da." And I just saw my other friends being able to live, and being able to have experiences, and being able to make mistakes, and not have the whole world know what's going on with them. Um, and so that kind of made me think, like, is this really truly the life that I wanna be living? Like, I wanna actually live. I don't just wanna be, like, a caricature for the world to look at, you know? So, um, that took a lot of courage to just say, "You know what? I'm not gonna continue." There were a lot of people who had invested in me. There were projects that were already paid for, scripts that were already written that I had to go back on. Um, I'm surprised that I didn't get sued. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 21:07 [laughs]

Willow Smith 21:08 Uh, it was a crazy time, but through that, I was like, "Okay. Now that I'm free of this lifestyle that I don't wanna live, now what's the lifestyle I wanna live?"

Jay Shetty 21:20 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 21:21 Um, and so I was so confused. I kind of went into a, just a spiral of just, like, depression, desperation. I was self-harming. I was hanging out with people that were just wrong for me. Um, and that lasted for about two to three years. Um, and then I started realizing this is psychotic, literally. Like, I have to stop doing this. This is not al- this is not the person I wanna be either.

Jay Shetty 21:45 Mm.

Willow Smith 21:46 Um, so I was like, "Okay." I hadn't been recording music during that time, um, so I was, like, really in the dark. Like, no creative outlet, no, um-

Jay Shetty 21:55 You weren't doing anything creative.

Willow Smith 21:57 No. I was really just in the dark, in the darkness, I should say. And so then I started kind of coming out of my shell and trying to get back into the studio, which felt so, like, weird and daunting because I was like, "What do I make?" Like, am I gonna go back and just be like, "Hey." Like, what am I gonna do, you know what I mean? Um, so, like, the first song that I had put out was, it was called Sugar and Spice. You could probably find it somewhere, but, um, it was a Radiohead, a Radiohead loop. Um, and I remember just listening to that and going, "I think, I think I can continue." Like, that little spark-

Jay Shetty 22:33 Mm

Willow Smith 22:33 ... of, like, inspiration was just like, "Ooh, ooh."

Jay Shetty 22:36 Yeah.

Willow Smith 22:36 Like, I think I'm, I think I'm coming back.

Jay Shetty 22:37 Yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 22:38 And so, you know, ever since then, I've just been kind of digging more into that, and as I've gone deeper just over that time of just, you know, trying different types of music out, learning how to play the guitar, I just really realized that I just wanna be in service. The only thing that makes, you know, having this lifestyle, um, worth it, and for me to feel like I'm, I have a purpose at all and to not fall back into that dark spiral, was making music that I felt would inspire people and that I felt would be in service to others. And that's really the only reason why I feel like I got out of that dark place, because people would come to me and tell me, you know, that they were in that same dark space that I was, and that my voice brought them out of that, and that would just bring me so much joy and, and just, just made me feel like I had a purpose. Like, there's, there's a reason why I have all of these resources and why, you know, people are looking at me, and why I'm in the tabloids and all of this. And so it just gave me a reason, and this is just expanding on that reason.

Jay Shetty 23:47 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 23:48 Um, and I'm just so excited to, to continue to expand that reason, and to grow that reason, and help that reason spread to others. Um, whoo. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 23:59 Thank you for sharing that. That is beautiful. Thank you for so much for sharing that.

Willow Smith 24:02 Ugh.

Jay Shetty 24:02 Yeah. That was- That is beautiful. Like, that's phenomenal. It's amazing how you came to that conclusion for yourself, that service is where you wanted to be.

Willow Smith 24:10 Mm.

Jay Shetty 24:11 And that's at the heart of devotional music. Like, that is it.

Willow Smith 24:13 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 24:14 Yeah. So it's, it's incredible to hear you explain just the, the natural challenges that come with- ... your experience of life, and the kinda back and forth, and the recognition of both that I don't wanna be this, but I also don't wanna be-

Jahnavi Harrison 24:27 Hmm. Exactly

Jay Shetty 24:28 ... that's, that's... Thank you so much for, for sharing that.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:31 All before the age of 20.

Jay Shetty 24:32 I know, [laughs] yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:33 But-

Jay Shetty 24:33 Oh, oh yeah, Willow just turned 20. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 24:35 It's a crazy life.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:36 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 24:36 It's a crazy life, y'all.

Jay Shetty 24:38 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 24:38 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 24:39 I love it.

Jahnavi Harrison 24:39 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 24:39 And Jahnavi, I wanna hear from you because, so as I was saying before, Jahnavi and I have known each other for 15 years. Radhi's probably known Jahnavi for, like, 10?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:47 Uh, since 2012-ish.

Jay Shetty 24:49 Okay, so-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:49 No, uh, no, I, I heard Jahnavi 2010-

Jay Shetty 24:52 Right, yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:52 ... or something, so a good 10 years.

Jahnavi Harrison 24:54 Wow.

Jay Shetty 24:54 Yeah, known each other for about a-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:55 I was a fan girl. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 24:56 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 24:57 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 24:57 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 24:57 The first time we met, Radhi was like, "This is a tattoo I got inspired by one of your old-"

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 25:01 Inspired by your music.

Jahnavi Harrison 25:02 Oh, wow.

Jay Shetty 25:03 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 25:03 And she was like, "Oh, okay."

Jahnavi Harrison 25:05 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 25:05 That was me. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 25:06 I love that.

Jay Shetty 25:07 She was like, "That's not what you're meant to do." [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 25:08 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 25:10 [laughs] Um.

Jay Shetty 25:11 Uh,

Jay Shetty 25:11 but, but you know, Jahnavi, you grew up in the bhakti tradition.

Jahnavi Harrison 25:15 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:15 And so this music has been a part of your life forever.

Jahnavi Harrison 25:19 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 25:19 And it's been a part of your soul, but also, it was different being someone who's a consumer of it or hearing it-

Jahnavi Harrison 25:26 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 25:26 ... but then to actually creating and, and sharing it. Like, that journey must've been really interesting. Can you share that with us, that transition of growing up listening to it, but then actually being someone who's sharing this tradition and culture so widely?

Jahnavi Harrison 25:39 Yeah, yeah. Um, well, I grew up, uh, being involved in it all the time, every day really. Um, you know, we would do... I, I attended a school at the temple that was very near to my house. So the school was, you know, we did regular academic subjects, but we also studied the Bhagavad Gita, and we did chanting together before we started our school day. So that was very normal, but um, it was, it was collective. It was, you know... W- I wasn't singing on my own or anything. And also, my dad was, um, very well known as a singer of kirtan, uh, all over Europe and other countries of the world back in the cassette tape days.

Jay Shetty 26:21 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 26:21 The cassettes used to b- be everywhere. And, and, um, so as I got older... I mean, he was like, you know, he was like a he- a her- he is a hero to me, but we loved his singing. And, and I felt... I mean, I w- I always loved music, but w- as I got older, people would be like, "Oh, do you sing like your dad?"

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 26:41 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 26:42 And like, "Sing," you know. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 26:44 Hate that.

Jay Shetty 26:45 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 26:45 Willow, you must know nothing about that.

Jahnavi Harrison 26:47 Yeah. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 26:48 [laughs] God.

Jahnavi Harrison 26:50 So, yeah, I know.

Jay Shetty 26:51 Nothing in common, you guys.

Jahnavi Harrison 26:52 No, I know. Um, we... So I think I, I was, I was quite shy as a chi- very shy and introverted, and I also felt this pressure that people are, like, wanting to see if I'm also gonna be like my dad. And, uh, and so I just, I was too shy to, to... I didn't really know the... I, I knew I could sing 'cause I, I sang, you know, in my, in my bedroom. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 27:17 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 27:17 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 27:18 In the, in the shower and, uh... But I didn't know... I, I remember actually, um, I went to regular school for a few years, and the fir- my, in my first year of regular school, and this is something we share as well, like a bit of a unusual schooling experiences.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 27:32 Oh.

Jahnavi Harrison 27:32 But my... I, I was so shy, and I was, I w- it was... Because, you know, growing up with this tradition, I knew that, okay, I'm a little bit different from other, other kids, and you know, I've gr- from the age of four talking about life and death, and the-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 27:49 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 27:49 ... the body being like a coat that, you know, you take off and put on a new body. [laughs] Like, these kind of c- concepts, reincarnation and karma, and kids don't talk about that kind of stuff.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 27:59 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 27:59 So I was, I was really, really shy. And the, the school play was, um, the end of year school play was The Wizard of Oz. And my teacher cast me as the Cowardly Lion, um, because she, I think she knew that it would help me to, you know... She, she could see that I was shy, but I, it would be good for me-

Jay Shetty 28:16 That's special

Jahnavi Harrison 28:17 ... to play a role that would kind of bring me out of myself. So I remember I had to sing a song on my own on the stage, and like, you know, swing my tail around. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 28:25 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 28:26 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 28:26 And it was this moment where I was like, "Oh my God, I, I'm singing in front of people."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 28:30 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 28:30 And I, it, it's actually, it's nice, you know?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 28:33 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 28:33 But, but that, but that was it then for many years, and it wasn't till I was 19, 20, around your age, that I started to, uh, lead kirtan. People were kind of just... Friends were just encouraging me, and I found that it was something that I felt more and more connected with. But it is, um, because it's, it's such a, um, it's such a deep tradition and it's a form of prayer, a form of worship, it is kind of a thing where you have to navigate your ego 'cause it's not, it's not a, a, it's not a performance t- uh, genre of music.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 29:07 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 29:07 It's, it's a p- prayer and an offering. So, um, for many years I wa- I didn't, I didn't really identify with being a person to sort of go out in the world and, like, share this with lots of people. Uh, it was just something I did in, within my community. But, um, by, as circumstance goes, you know, sometimes destiny finds you, and, and, and you try and push something away. Many times I think, you know, J- Jay and I have had probably many conversations over the years where I've been like, "I just don't know if this is what I'm meant to do" or like, "Yeah, I do this." You know, that kinda thing where you, you keep trying to turn away from something, but it kept coming back to me.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 29:46 I feel it's so interesting that-

Jahnavi Harrison 29:46 It kept knocking on my door

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 29:47 ... both of us kept on trying to go, "No music."

Jahnavi Harrison 29:48 Yeah, yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 29:49 And, "No music."

Jahnavi Harrison 29:51 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 29:51 And it was like, "Yes."

Jahnavi Harrison 29:52 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 29:52 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 29:53 You know, like when you have to write a, a, um, on a form, you know, occupation, and I would always stop and be like, "What do I write there?" You know? Am I... 'Cause I, I, I was a, I, I, I wrote, I did art, I w- I was a dancer, but I didn't wanna write musician or artist or writer. I just didn't know what to write [laughs] 'cause I didn't fully identify with being able to say, "This is what I am."

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 30:16 That's interesting.

Jahnavi Harrison 30:16 So yeah, it came, it came bit by bit. And I think one of the big catalysts for me with feeling confident to Try to accept the role of, you know, embracing my, my, uh, creativity and, and engaging it in service of spreading this type of music more is the fact that, um, yoga, meditation, mindfulness, those things over the last 10 years became so much more mainstream than they ever were. And when I was a child, I never would have imagined that would be the case. I thought that that was just the strange way that I grew up, you know? And that like kids used to ask me like, "So why don't you, you know, like, why are you vegetarian?" And what do you... "Why do you have a name like that?" And stuff like that.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 31:00 [laughs]

Willow Smith 31:00 [laughs] Me, you kids.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:01 I know. [laughs]

Willow Smith 31:02 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 31:03 But now it's like, no, this is pretty, it's pretty normal.

Willow Smith 31:07 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:07 Especially in LA. [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 31:08 Yeah.

Willow Smith 31:08 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:09 So yeah, it's, it's been a, it's been a journey, but I'm so grateful to be doing this now. It brings me so much fulfillment.

Jay Shetty 31:17 Yeah. We're grateful to you too for sticking it through and, and continuing on.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:21 Honestly.

Willow Smith 31:22 Mm.

Jay Shetty 31:22 And we're ne- we're never gonna let you quit, so. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 31:24 I don't wanna quit.

Willow Smith 31:25 Ani.

Jay Shetty 31:26 Yeah.

Willow Smith 31:27 Music is gonna keep coming out.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:28 I know. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 31:29 But, but we love that. Yeah, we love that both of you, for everyone who's listening and watching, I think there's such a pressure these days for young people, especially to find their purpose-

Willow Smith 31:41 Mm

Jay Shetty 31:41 ... or discover what they wanna do for the rest of their lives. And you can see in both of the way you are experiencing, it's kind of not been like that.

Jahnavi Harrison 31:48 No.

Jay Shetty 31:48 It's, it's kind of been much more of this meandering path, then kind of getting lost-

Willow Smith 31:52 Mm

Jay Shetty 31:52 ... and then refining, and then feeling stuck-

Willow Smith 31:54 Yes

Jay Shetty 31:54 ... and then questioning everything, and then finding it, and this almost like magical approach to like, [snaps fingers] I found my purpose, or I found my, you know, calling.

Willow Smith 32:03 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 32:03 It doesn't work like that.

Jahnavi Harrison 32:04 Doesn't.

Jay Shetty 32:04 And, and it's nice to see two people who are creating and artistic, but it's kind of coming over time.

Willow Smith 32:10 It's such a process.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:11 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 32:12 It's such a journey, and there's so many internal obstacles that need to be looked at and that need to be worked on until you can step into your calling-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:22 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 32:22 ... until you can step into your purpose fully.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:24 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 32:25 Um, woo. And God knows I'm still trying to step in. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 32:28 Yes.

Willow Smith 32:29 I'm still trying to step in.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:30 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 32:30 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:31 What would you say are both of your, um, I don't know, daily things that you do in your lives that help enrich you or-

Jay Shetty 32:37 Good question

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:38 ... uplift you? What are the things that you've started to do, yeah, on, I think on a daily basis? 'Cause I feel like they're the things that really make, you know, a difference if you're doing something regularly.

Willow Smith 32:46 Mm.

Jay Shetty 32:46 You're so good at this.

Jahnavi Harrison 32:48 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:49 Eh.

Jahnavi Harrison 32:49 [laughs]

Willow Smith 32:49 [laughs] Ani.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:50 I've watched a few of your... No, I haven't. No.

Jay Shetty 32:52 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 32:52 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:53 I haven't, but, um, thank you. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 32:55 [laughs]

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 32:56 Please, please continue. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 32:57 Mm, s- well, I, I find, um, that daily meditation-

Willow Smith 33:03 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 33:03 ... daily, I practice mantra meditation daily, and that is something that, um, I really hold onto. Like I imagine, you know, if you take life to be like a river-

Willow Smith 33:13 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 33:13 ... that is, the current is flowing very fast. Um, in some of these sacred rivers in India where people, uh, they take a dip, you know, as a purifying kind of act, they have these metal chains that are in the water that you hold onto when you go in to make sure you don't get swept away. So I, I, I see the, the mantra meditation, um, as this sort of like this chain to hold onto in the rushing current of life, and it really... Even though it's not, it's not easy, I, I know Willow has, you know, a yoga practice you've been cultivating for a long time. To do anything daily is not an easy thing.

Willow Smith 33:49 It is not.

Jahnavi Harrison 33:49 And you don't always feel like doing it, and sometimes you do it robotically, and then you're like, "Ugh, you know, I gotta come back to, you know, the, the deeper reason of why I'm doing this." But to just keep that commitment, um, it develops a relationship with sacred space within.

Willow Smith 34:08 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 34:08 It develops a relationship with the divine that really is... It's, it's a lifesaver. It's, it's, um, it gives me inspiration. It gives me sense of connection, and it, and it's a meditation that the particular mantra that I, that I recite daily, the meditation is on how can I be of service, and a prayer for service. Please allow me to be of service in this life. So I love how Willow was describing that, that, that service, it brings you out of that space.

Willow Smith 34:36 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 34:36 'Cause every day we have to push against-

Willow Smith 34:39 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 34:39 ... our tendency to be self-absorbed.

Willow Smith 34:42 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 34:42 It's like at every moment we tend to be caught in our head thinking about our own worries and things like that. And, and to turn that around to how can I serve, it's, it's such a dramatic, you know, state change. And so for me, that helps. It helps then, you know, whether I'm doing one thing or another, just to, to keep connecting with that, um, core reason of why, of, of what is, [laughs] yeah, what is the purpose of my existence-

Willow Smith 35:10 Mm-hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 35:10 ... to serve. It makes things, it makes things a lot more simpler and joyful.

Willow Smith 35:14 Yeah. I- I'm just gonna piggyback off of what-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:17 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 35:17 Yeah

Willow Smith 35:17 ... what Jahnavi said. Um, yes, I've been cultivating a yoga practice for about, I wanna say two years.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:25 Machan.

Willow Smith 35:25 A year and a half.

Jay Shetty 35:25 We, oh, we see those posts.

Jahnavi Harrison 35:27 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:27 Yeah, moves.

Willow Smith 35:28 Yeah, yeah.

Jay Shetty 35:28 Yeah.

Willow Smith 35:28 I wanna say two years-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:30 On point. [laughs]

Willow Smith 35:30 ... or a year and a half. Um, and you know, another thing a- aside from meditation that I try to do daily, sometimes it doesn't happen.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:38 [laughs]

Willow Smith 35:38 Um, I read every day.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:40 Mm.

Willow Smith 35:41 Um, right now I'm reading Inner Engineering by Sadhguru.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:44 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 35:44 So that's something that I've been putting my time into every day.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:47 Mm.

Willow Smith 35:47 Um, so whether it's, you know, literature, yoga, or, or meditation, one of those things is happening every day.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 35:55 Mm.

Jay Shetty 35:55 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 35:55 So I'm, just like Jahnavi said, I th- I truly believe that that consistency and that repetition is what's needed-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 36:04 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 36:04 ... in order to get into a state where it is second nature, where you don't have to think about it anymore-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 36:10 Yeah

Willow Smith 36:10 ... where it's habitual.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 36:11 Part of you.

Jay Shetty 36:11 Yeah.

Willow Smith 36:11 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 36:12 Yeah.

Willow Smith 36:12 And that's, that's where I'm trying to be.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 36:14 Yeah.

Willow Smith 36:14 That's where I'm striving to.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 36:15 I think what you both are doing, keeping it consistent, that's probably how, you know, you've r- realized what the benefits are, that living a life without it alm- that feels more unnatural than, than doing the practice. Oh, I was thinking about how, you know, both of your practices are things which people have been doing for years, such an ancient thing that people have been doing. But what's incredible about your music is that it's, I think it's shown so many people who are probably unfamiliar with meditation, unfamiliar with yoga, or see it as something that's so

Willow Smith 36:45 ... unfamiliar-

Jahnavi Harrison 36:46 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 36:46 ... um, that, you know, m- man- meditation music or mantra music is for everybody. Like, it's such a universal thing-

Jahnavi Harrison 36:53 Yeah

Willow Smith 36:53 ... that, um, so many different types of people can connect to it just by your different backgrounds-

Jahnavi Harrison 36:58 Yeah

Willow Smith 36:58 ... that you two have connected to it in such a different way. Um, and how you're sharing it, it's ... Yeah, it's beautiful to see how different meditation music and devotional music can actually be and how many different types of people it can, it can connect.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:12 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:12 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:13 Um, yeah.

Jay Shetty 37:13 Yeah, I'm glad you put that bass on it so I could turn it up in the car. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 37:17 Ah, yeah.

Willow Smith 37:17 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 37:17 See, I knew it.

Jay Shetty 37:17 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:18 I was like, "We need that."

Willow Smith 37:19 Right.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:19 I knew it.

Jay Shetty 37:20 I, I love it. The first time I heard it, I was telling Jahnavi, it was just like you've-

Jahnavi Harrison 37:23 You feel it

Jay Shetty 37:24 ... it's just all the mu- ... What you've made is it's like that perfect combination between being timeless and pure-

Jahnavi Harrison 37:32 Yeah

Jay Shetty 37:32 ... but then being current and relevant.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:34 Yeah.

Willow Smith 37:34 Exactly. Exactly that.

Jay Shetty 37:35 And you've created, in my op- in my opinion, whatever it's worth, like, it sounds like a no genre. Like, it's, it's new, it's different.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:42 I love that.

Jay Shetty 37:42 It's, it's not ... You can't just go, "Oh, yeah, that's that kind of music." I wouldn't even put it under meditational music.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:47 No.

Willow Smith 37:47 Mm-mm.

Jay Shetty 37:47 Like, it's, it's beyond that.

Jahnavi Harrison 37:49 Yeah.

Willow Smith 37:49 Mm.

Jay Shetty 37:50 And I think that, you know, credit to both of your artistry to be able to expand that much.

Jay Shetty 37:54 What's different about creating devotional music for both of you?

Jahnavi Harrison 37:59 Mm.

Jay Shetty 37:59 And Jahnavi, for you to, to stretch out of your comfort zone from a music place of now creating this new genre that you have together. So for, for Willow, for you more, like, what's, what's different about creating devotional music for you from your perspective?

Jahnavi Harrison 38:11 Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 38:12 And, and then Jahnavi, from yours, like, almost going the other way and like, "Oh, now we're creating something a bit newer to what I'm used to."

Jahnavi Harrison 38:17 Yeah.

Willow Smith 38:18 Yeah. Um, you know, my lyrics that, you know, in the Willow album and in Artipethicus, my first album, um, you know, I talk a lot about duality. I talk a lot about spirit.

Jahnavi Harrison 38:31 Mm.

Willow Smith 38:31 I talk a lot about, you know, cycles. I have a song that's called Cycles-

Jahnavi Harrison 38:35 Mm-hmm

Willow Smith 38:35 ... on, on my first album. The language is very modern, and what I love about Sanskrit is that it, it's deeper than language. Um, and I think the, the real difference is bringing that, um, ancient vibration to it-

Jay Shetty 38:54 Mm

Willow Smith 38:54 ... that isn't just coming from me. It's coming from generations and generations of, of deeply spiritual individuals, um, who have carried this on. And I think, you know, feeling that is, is the biggest difference for me-

Jahnavi Harrison 39:10 Mm

Willow Smith 39:10 ... 'cause it's not just me coming up with something.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:13 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 39:13 Wow.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:14 Powerful.

Willow Smith 39:15 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 39:15 That's really powerful. Yeah, that's incredible to think of it like that. That's so well-articulated.

Willow Smith 39:20 Mm.

Jay Shetty 39:20 That's beautiful. Thank you.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:21 Bravo. [laughs]

Willow Smith 39:23 [laughs] Will you accept me? [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 39:27 [laughs]

Willow Smith 39:28 Oh, my gosh.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:29 Oh. Yeah, wow. Wow. I've, I've just been, I've been hit by your, by your articulation of that. That's so beautiful.

Willow Smith 39:36 Thank you.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:36 Yeah, I think it's so interesting because I think for me, it, it was almost n- I wouldn't say the opposite because naturally we, we're trying to retain the, the purity of devotional space.

Willow Smith 39:49 Definitely.

Jahnavi Harrison 39:49 And, like, with, with recording, we set up a little altar, like, in the s-

Willow Smith 39:53 Oh

Jahnavi Harrison 39:53 ... in the studio. It's, it's really nice to have that feel, uh, to be a sacred space to-

Willow Smith 39:58 That intention, like-

Jahnavi Harrison 39:59 Yeah

Willow Smith 39:59 ... you're making it.

Jahnavi Harrison 40:00 Yeah. But, um, with this EP, um, 'cause most of the time I'm singing mantra, which I- which obviously those words are not mine. I'm putting my heart and my prayer into it, but I'm also trusting the power of that, uh, ancient vibration, that timeless vibration to touch the heart of another. And then ... And for that reason, I don't, I don't take credit when someone has, you know, a powerful experience with it. It's like, "Oh, yeah, that's, that's what it does."

Willow Smith 40:28 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 40:28 That's what it does to me too. So I'm just trying to, you know, be, facilitate this experience. But with this, uh, album, I definitely was stretching myself because I, I think just before we came together, I was ... I'd been recently feeling a lot more inspired to, to write lyrics in English that convey some of these ideas and, and themes-

Willow Smith 40:52 Definitely

Jahnavi Harrison 40:53 ... which was daunting for me 'cause it's not something I, it's something I hardly ever do, let alone record. I, I have tons of voice notes in my phone which will never see the light of day- [laughs]

Willow Smith 41:02 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 41:02 ... you know, ideas that I've had. But it was so cool 'cause I didn't think we would actually work on those things. But when I showed some of them to Willow, she was so, um, encouraging and excited about it, and I was sort of like, "Well, what do you think? Like, y- you add your lyrics in, too." She was like, "No, I, I love this. I think we should go for it." I was like, "Really?"

Willow Smith 41:22 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 41:23 And then so to, to actually bring some of those ideas to life, um, for me that was a beautiful experience of being able to come outside of the space of, okay, this is just mantra. It's not me, but here's this, here's this t- you know, ancient sound vibration to actually here's some words that I wrote which convey how I wanna, you know, take a snapshot of this, um, this sentiment, for instance, of surrender-

Willow Smith 41:51 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 41:51 ... or, um, what's anoth-

Willow Smith 41:52 How you've experienced it, you feel

Jahnavi Harrison 41:53 ... how I've experienced it or what, or, or what's meaningful to me or to us.

Willow Smith 41:57 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 41:57 You know? And, and f- for me that was a really, uh ... That was extremely powerful. It ... I came away being like, "Whoa, I, I didn't know I could do that." [laughs]

Willow Smith 42:07 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 42:07 Yes. So it was ... Yeah, I'm so grateful for that. Yeah. It was, it was, it was beautiful.

Willow Smith 42:13 Yeah, I could feel, I could feel that, that sense of hesitancy. That's why I was like, "Yeah."

Jahnavi Harrison 42:17 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 42:17 [laughs]

Willow Smith 42:18 I was like, "Let's go full flat."

Jahnavi Harrison 42:20 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 42:20 She's like, "Are you sure?" She's like, "Let's do it."

Willow Smith 42:22 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 42:23 Oh, wow.

Willow Smith 42:23 Yeah, 'cause I was like, "You, you gonna know the, the greatness of you today." [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 42:27 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 42:28 What's the, uh ... Both of you live real lives in the real world. You know, you, you go through your challenges every single day, and people who listen to this are going through their own challenges.

Jay Shetty 42:39 What's been something that's been really beautiful or powerful for both of you individually that you feel has helped you Discover answers at tough times or, or find new directions at tough times. What is it that both of you have turned to in your own life, whether it be musical or not-

Jahnavi Harrison 42:56 Mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 42:56 ... that, that you think that... Almost what is it that people can do to express themselves more? Because it feels like so many of our feelings do get bottled up and-

Jahnavi Harrison 43:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 43:05 ... and do just get thought about inside. What, what has been powerful for you individually?

Jahnavi Harrison 43:09 Mm.

Willow Smith 43:10 I mean, it might, it might be a little, um, unorthodox. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 43:13 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 43:13 Yeah?

Willow Smith 43:14 But I actually really, really enjoy looking at myself in the mirror-

Jahnavi Harrison 43:20 Mm.

Jay Shetty 43:20 Mm

Willow Smith 43:20 ... and explaining, like, like, telling... Like, having a conversation with myself, basically.

Jahnavi Harrison 43:25 Mm.

Willow Smith 43:26 Like, when I'm, when I'm having tough emotions that I feel like I don't want to express to other people, or I feel, like, embarrassed or whatever it is, um, I always try to, like, just look at myself and be like, "No, you're valid." Like, explain the full depth of everything that you're feeling, and then look at yourself and, like, explain back to yourself why, why those emotions... Not why those emotions are okay, but accepting yourself in a certain way. Um, and, you know, sometimes when the FaceTime doesn't work and people don't answer their phone, you can talk to yourself.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:04 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 44:05 [laughs]

Willow Smith 44:05 And it does work. It does work. For me, it does.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:08 That's wonderful.

Jay Shetty 44:08 I love that.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:09 Me too.

Jay Shetty 44:09 That's so good. Yeah, I've never heard anyone do that in the mirror.

Willow Smith 44:12 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:12 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:12 I think it's taking journaling to another level.

Jay Shetty 44:14 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:14 So actually-

Willow Smith 44:15 Yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:15 ... facing yourself, which I think-

Willow Smith 44:16 Yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:16 ... a lot of the times we are battling with our own self-

Jahnavi Harrison 44:19 Mm

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:20 ... rather than with other people. And so actually fa- like, looking at yourself in the mirror and, and, and speaking-

Jay Shetty 44:25 Yeah

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:25 ... to yourself is, is so powerful.

Willow Smith 44:27 It gets deep.

Jay Shetty 44:27 Yeah.

Willow Smith 44:27 The tears start flowing, and then you start-

Jahnavi Harrison 44:29 Yeah

Willow Smith 44:29 ... looking at yourself.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:30 It's so vital. [laughs]

Willow Smith 44:30 Exactly. And you're like, "Dang," like, "I see you." Like, "You're... We're together in this." Like, "We got each other."

Jahnavi Harrison 44:36 I love that.

Willow Smith 44:37 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 44:37 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:37 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 44:38 That's awesome. I hope everyone tries that out this week.

Willow Smith 44:40 Yeah.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:40 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:40 I-

Jay Shetty 44:40 Anyone who's listening or watching, try it out.

Willow Smith 44:42 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 44:43 I'm being serious.

Willow Smith 44:43 It's a good... I-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:44 I think-

Willow Smith 44:44 Sometimes I feel weird saying it because-

Jay Shetty 44:46 No, it's... No

Willow Smith 44:47 ... people, you know, are like, "That's ridiculous." But I've done it.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:52 No, I-

Willow Smith 44:52 And it has-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:53 No

Willow Smith 44:53 ... stopped the tears.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:54 Mm.

Jay Shetty 44:55 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:55 Wow.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 44:55 Great.

Jahnavi Harrison 44:56 Yeah, I was thinking as you were speaking that for me, um, writing has always been a powerful one. And it's funny 'cause I, I think of the page being like a mirror, and I think many people-

Willow Smith 45:07 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 45:07 ... find writing to, to be like that.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 45:09 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 45:09 Um, to the point where I remember some difficult points in my life where I didn't write for a very long time. For probably two years, I didn't write anything on a page because I was afraid of what would come out and what I would see.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 45:24 Wow.

Jay Shetty 45:25 Wow.

Jahnavi Harrison 45:25 I felt just this complete block, you know? Uh, and, uh, then to release that, to start, I, I always feel such a relief when I put a pen on the paper and start to write. And I was introduced to the practice of free writing some, some years ago. There's a famous book called The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron, and this practice of morning pages, um, is something that many people have found a lot of, uh, yeah, just incredible experiences from. So I, I started to do that, and, um, I still turn to that when I... I mean, I, I try to do it regularly, but it's al- also one of those things you f-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 46:00 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 46:01 You go through phases, you know?

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 46:02 Totally.

Jahnavi Harrison 46:02 But for me, yeah, so writing is, is, is always a huge, huge help. Um, I mean, stating the obvious, I think, you know, kirtan, meditation, music of course. But my other huge one, which I think Willow and I share, is, is to connect with nature.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 46:17 100%, yep.

Willow Smith 46:18 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 46:18 Just to walk. I mean, I think I try and go for a walk in nature every day, and without fail, it's like a balm. It's uplifting.

Willow Smith 46:26 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 46:26 It brings me back to myself. It sparks ideas and creativity. It's, it's just like, uh, the, the, the road and the page. They're my two friends-

Willow Smith 46:37 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 46:37 ... that really help me so much.

Jay Shetty 46:38 Mm,

Jay Shetty 46:39 I love that. Yeah, I love that. That's so awesome. And, and I guess that's what's inspired a lot of your work. I know, Jahnavi, whenever you're doing your BBC Pause for Thought sessions, you talk a lot about the environment and climate change-

Jahnavi Harrison 46:50 Yeah.

Willow Smith 46:50 Mm-hmm.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 46:50 Yeah

Jay Shetty 46:50 ... and, and that. Where, where do you see that intersection between, like, art and the environment, or climate change, or expression in that? Is there a synergy there, or, or is it just something that you feel is a different part of you where your care comes from?

Jahnavi Harrison 47:04 Mm. I think it's absolutely intertwined. I mean, um, nature is the most beautiful art that we can witness and observe. I'm so inspired by, um, by the natural world, and my mom is a really avid gardener and, and lover of, you know, wild plants and herbs. And she sort of brought us up like that to observe and learn about all the properties of, of plants and trees around us. So I'm, I'm kind of obsessed with plants [laughs] -

Willow Smith 47:33 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 47:33 ... and flowers. And people laugh at me, but it's like I'm always looking. I'm inspired by the textures, by the shapes, by the, um-

Willow Smith 47:41 Aromas

Jahnavi Harrison 47:41 ... by the different aromas. Yeah, everything. And so our, uh... Nature inspires me creatively immensely. And in terms of caring for nature, I think, like, like a person, the more you know a person-

Willow Smith 47:54 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 47:54 ... the more you care. So the more we observe, and connect, and feel a sense of relationship with nature, um, that care, it's like, why wouldn't I care? I'm-

Willow Smith 48:04 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:04 That... It's, it's a, it's a beautiful exchange.

Willow Smith 48:07 It nourishes me.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:08 And I-

Willow Smith 48:08 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:08 Absolutely.

Willow Smith 48:09 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:09 There's a mutual exchange of nourishment going on. And I think also w- with the particular, um, type of creativity and art, you know, the, the, the questions that I'm asking or that we're asking about service, about divinity, these, these kinds of, uh, these kinds of things, they bring us also closer to our deepest essence-

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 48:31 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 48:32 ... which I believe is, is meant to be in harmony with nature. So the more that you, the more that you're coming into that space, again, it just becomes a very natural connection to feel.

Radhi Devlukia-Shetty 48:42 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:42 And so, yeah, I d- I, I'm, I'm kind of a nature addict. [laughs]

Willow Smith 48:47 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 48:48 And I, and I, I know, like, when I visited Willow at, in her home, you know, there's such a beautiful view of the ocean, and it's like, it's, it's just a, a, it's a part of you, right?

Willow Smith 48:59 Yeah, 100% -

Jahnavi Harrison 49:00 You've gotta be there

Willow Smith 49:00 ... I have to... I would... I, I think a significant decline in my mental health would happen if I were to live in a city.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:09 Yeah.

Willow Smith 49:09 Um, or, I mean, I do live in a city, but if I were to live, like, amongst buildings.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:16 Like-

Willow Smith 49:17 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:17 Yeah.

Willow Smith 49:18 Um, like, I need to wake up and see trees.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:21 Yeah.

Willow Smith 49:21 I need to-

Jahnavi Harrison 49:21 Just one tree.

Willow Smith 49:22 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:23 At least one tree. [laughs]

Willow Smith 49:23 At least one. At least one. I, I need... It's, I'm a nature addict, what can I say?

Jahnavi Harrison 49:28 Yeah.

Willow Smith 49:28 Just like you.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:29 Yeah.

Willow Smith 49:29 Um, and that's definitely one of the biggest healing agents in my life, 100%.

Jay Shetty 49:36 Yeah. Willow, we've been talking about this for the past couple of days, about how you see this connection between spirituality and science-

Willow Smith 49:42 Woo-wee

Jay Shetty 49:42 ... and physics-

Willow Smith 49:44 Yeah

Jay Shetty 49:44 ... and spirituality.

Willow Smith 49:44 Yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 49:45 Now she's gonna get going. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 49:45 You know? And you've always been very much talking about, like, science and physics and, like, but then you're also really interested in spirituality.

Willow Smith 49:53 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 49:53 Tell us about how you started to see so early in your life the connection and synergy between the two.

Willow Smith 49:59 Yes.

Jay Shetty 49:59 Because I think so often they're talked about so separately or-

Willow Smith 50:02 100%

Jay Shetty 50:03 ... they're seen as, like, divisive or disconnected and-

Willow Smith 50:06 Exactly

Jay Shetty 50:06 ... yeah.

Willow Smith 50:07 Um, I think one of the, the biggest ti- the biggest moments in my life that made me really move towards this, um, marriage of, of spirituality and science was, um, you know, I had been reading a lot of spiritual literature. Um, I had been reading a lot of Osho, a lot of... I read this one book called Oneness, and that book changed my life forever. And just the idea of vibration, um, and that everything is vibration really hit me because I am a musician, and music is, like, the biggest love of my life. Um, and then learning about string theory was [laughs]

Jay Shetty 50:48 [laughs]

Willow Smith 50:50 Just opened my mind i- into such a place that it was like, these two things are the same. Like, people think that they're separate, and in some ways they are, but in the fundament, they are just two sides of the same coin. Um, and so that inspired me to just dive really deep into the physical world and just how things work, and that's how I, um, just got into physics and started studying physics. Um, and you know, I haven't been... I've been studying more of the spiritual lane recently.

Jahnavi Harrison 51:23 [laughs]

Willow Smith 51:23 It's hard, it's, it's hard, I will say, to study them deeply at the same time. Um, but I, I study them separately deeply, and I go back and forth.

Jahnavi Harrison 51:35 Mm.

Willow Smith 51:36 And then try to figure out how to bring them together-

Jahnavi Harrison 51:38 [laughs]

Willow Smith 51:38 ... in some way. But in my life, you know, I'm, I'm constantly, I'm constantly relating, um, my spiritual experiences with, you know, all of the scientific things that I've read or, you know, just being in physics class and telling my physics teacher, like, "Oh, you should read this book," and he's like, "Okay." [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 51:57 [laughs]

Willow Smith 51:58 "I'm a physics teacher."

Jahnavi Harrison 51:59 [laughs]

Willow Smith 51:59 "I'm not, I'm not a metaphysics teacher." Um, so I just, I just wanna continue to just get more intelligent and, and more intelligent while also losing my ego-

Jay Shetty 52:10 Mm

Willow Smith 52:11 ... I think is where I'm trying to go, which is kind of, um, counterintuitive. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 52:16 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 52:16 Yeah.

Willow Smith 52:17 But I think it is possible.

Jay Shetty 52:18 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 52:19 Absolutely.

Willow Smith 52:19 And-

Jahnavi Harrison 52:20 Intelligence and service.

Willow Smith 52:21 Exactly. And so that's, that's really just... I have lots of goals. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 52:28 [laughs]

Willow Smith 52:28 Um, but that's one of them.

Jay Shetty 52:29 Save the world.

Willow Smith 52:30 Exactly.

Jahnavi Harrison 52:30 Yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 52:31 I have lots of goals. Um, but they all give me joy and, and really just my curiosity for both makes, makes life just exciting.

Jahnavi Harrison 52:42 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 52:42 You know? Those, those two things just make my life feel exciting to me.

Jahnavi Harrison 52:46 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 52:46 Yeah. I actually think that, that, that paradox is what makes it exciting.

Willow Smith 52:50 Yes.

Jay Shetty 52:51 If your pursuit was only to become intelligent, you'd get bored.

Willow Smith 52:54 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 52:54 And if your pursuit was only to remove ego, it wouldn't be as exciting.

Willow Smith 52:58 Exactly.

Jay Shetty 52:58 It would be quite tough. And so actually both of them together-

Willow Smith 53:00 Those two, mm-hmm

Jay Shetty 53:01 ... is, is a beautiful path. And, and, and often the path that can only be walked when you do both paths to re- to really get it right. So I love that.

Willow Smith 53:10 100%.

Jay Shetty 53:11 I love that. What were you gonna add?

Jahnavi Harrison 53:14 Um, I wasn't. [laughs]

Willow Smith 53:16 I wanna, I wanna add something.

Jay Shetty 53:18 Oh, yeah.

Willow Smith 53:18 That's also why I really admire you, Jay, because you, while also having been a monk for five years-

Jay Shetty 53:25 Three

Willow Smith 53:26 ... three years, you are also one of the most intelligent people I know. Um, and that's so inspiring to see that you can do both, and that both can be done. Um, it just inspires me to do it. It just [laughs] inspires me to try to actually, to try to actually put that into my own life.

Jahnavi Harrison 53:47 Mm.

Willow Smith 53:47 Um, and I'm just so happy that you're, you're in my life so that I can, I can see you grow and, and constantly learn from you.

Jahnavi Harrison 53:55 Mm.

Willow Smith 53:55 And that's really amazing to me.

Jay Shetty 53:57 Oh, you're the sweetest.

Jahnavi Harrison 53:58 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 53:58 I'm, like, getting all emotional now, but-

Willow Smith 54:00 Now we're just gonna all be crying.

Jay Shetty 54:01 Yeah, yeah. No, I, I love that, and I really appreciate-

Jahnavi Harrison 54:04 No, I'm your fan.

Jay Shetty 54:05 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 54:05 I'm your fan. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:06 No, I-

Jahnavi Harrison 54:06 That was, like, Willow's 40-year-old grandma inside her talking.

Willow Smith 54:09 I know.

Jahnavi Harrison 54:09 Like, I'm proud to be here.

Willow Smith 54:11 I know.

Jahnavi Harrison 54:12 I love it. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 54:13 No, I really appreciate that from you. It's, you know, it's... I, I think we both have a lot more in common than we know, too.

Willow Smith 54:18 Totally.

Jay Shetty 54:19 We're kind of discovering it recently, so.

Jahnavi Harrison 54:20 I love that you guys have that connection.

Willow Smith 54:21 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 54:22 Yeah, so I'm just like, "Oh, yeah, I can learn a lot." And that's why, yeah, I, I think what we all were talking about yesterday is, and I think why we all like being around each other is, and, and why who- everyone who's listening or watching, I'm hoping that this is encouraging you to connect with like-hearted people-

Jahnavi Harrison 54:37 Mm.

Willow Smith 54:37 Yeah

Jay Shetty 54:38 ... uh, connect with, uh, and collaborate with people-

Willow Smith 54:41 Yeah

Jay Shetty 54:41 ... that you're close to, because when you can be yourself and you don't have to apologize by asking for permission to say something or expressing who you are and you welcome that- I think that's the kind of community that we're all looking for where-

Willow Smith 54:55 100%

Jay Shetty 54:55 ... where people just try-

Willow Smith 54:56 Is it right to say s- sadhusanga? Is that it?

Jahnavi Harrison 54:59 Yes.

Jay Shetty 54:59 Yeah. Oh, there we go.

Willow Smith 55:00 Sadhusanga.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:01 Sadhusanga.

Jay Shetty 55:01 [laughs] Pulling it out. Oh.

Willow Smith 55:03 Breaking out the Sanskrit.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:04 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:05 Yeah. So sadhusanga, for those who don't know, Willow's now gonna give the definition. No. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 55:09 Giving the-

Willow Smith 55:10 When I ... Okay.

Jay Shetty 55:11 No, no, I'd love you to explain it.

Willow Smith 55:11 Is basically your spiritual family.

Jay Shetty 55:14 Mm-hmm.

Willow Smith 55:14 You know, the like-minded individuals around you that facilitate your growth towards pure love for God, and that is ... That's fire in my eyes.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:24 Mm.

Willow Smith 55:24 Yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 55:25 [laughs] I've got a different backdrop.

Willow Smith 55:27 Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 55:30 [laughs]

Willow Smith 55:30 Yes, yes.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:31 Yes.

Jay Shetty 55:32 I love it.

Jay Shetty 55:32 All right. So we end every On Purpose episode with a fill in the blank and a final five. So fill in the blank is as it is. We'll read out a sentence for both of you-

Jahnavi Harrison 55:41 Mm

Jay Shetty 55:41 ... and you both will fill in the blank. We've got different ones for both of you.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:45 I'm gonna have to.

Willow Smith 55:46 Okay.

Jay Shetty 55:46 Okay. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 55:46 There you go.

Jay Shetty 55:48 And then we're gonna do a final five. So we'll start with fill in the blank, and, uh, you do Willow, I'll do Jahnavi.

Jahnavi Harrison 55:53 Okay. Making music is about ...

Willow Smith 55:56 Unlocking people's hearts.

Jay Shetty 56:01 Peace is found ...

Jahnavi Harrison 56:03 When my actions are in alignment with my values and-

Willow Smith 56:07 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 56:07 ... my heart.

Jay Shetty 56:08 Mm. Love that.

Willow Smith 56:09 Lovely.

Jahnavi Harrison 56:10 I want my listeners to ...

Willow Smith 56:14 I want my listeners to break down in dance-

Jahnavi Harrison 56:19 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:20 [laughs]

Willow Smith 56:21 ... with the love of God.

Jahnavi Harrison 56:22 Hey.

Willow Smith 56:23 That's what I want.

Jahnavi Harrison 56:24 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:25 I love that. Like that massive dance party we had before-

Willow Smith 56:29 Yes

Jay Shetty 56:29 ... before COVID.

Jahnavi Harrison 56:29 Oh, yes.

Willow Smith 56:30 Yes.

Jay Shetty 56:30 Uh, yeah.

Willow Smith 56:31 Yes, before COVID. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 56:31 Okay. Uh, music allows me to ...

Jahnavi Harrison 56:37 Fly.

Willow Smith 56:38 Yes.

Jay Shetty 56:38 Love that.

Jahnavi Harrison 56:39 Vulnerability allows me to ...

Willow Smith 56:42 Be strong.

Jay Shetty 56:43 The word rise is about ...

Jahnavi Harrison 56:48 Moving up, going into my heart, and, um, like we said in the song, don't hide from the questions within, that rise within.

Willow Smith 57:00 Oh, she loved that one.

Jay Shetty 57:01 That's, that is, that is really good, though. It's like, yeah, questions arise inside and we just try and-

Jahnavi Harrison 57:05 Mm.

Willow Smith 57:05 Yeah

Jay Shetty 57:06 ... we always try and push them down. Yeah, I love that.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:08 I wish I knew 10 years ago that ...

Willow Smith 57:11 Oof.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:11 Ooh.

Willow Smith 57:13 Other people's opinions don't matter.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:15 Hey.

Jay Shetty 57:16 Mm. [laughs]

Willow Smith 57:17 Oof.

Jay Shetty 57:17 Okay, Jahnavi, 2020 has allowed me to ...

Jahnavi Harrison 57:22 Hmm. Wow. [laughs]

Willow Smith 57:25 Uh, I'm like-

Jay Shetty 57:26 Yeah

Jahnavi Harrison 57:26 [laughs]

Willow Smith 57:26 ... envisioning 2020. 2020 has allowed me to create.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:33 And, I-

Willow Smith 57:34 Yeah, create a- as I haven't before in the past.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:38 Uh, well, Willow, creativity is about ...

Willow Smith 57:42 Creativity is about expressing oneself entirely.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:47 Mm.

Jay Shetty 57:47 Mm.

Willow Smith 57:48 Mm.

Jay Shetty 57:48 Love that. Collaboration is about ...

Jahnavi Harrison 57:52 Listening.

Willow Smith 57:53 Yes.

Jay Shetty 57:54 Amazing.

Willow Smith 57:55 Yes, Jahnavi.

Jahnavi Harrison 57:56 [laughs]

Willow Smith 57:56 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 57:57 Love that. Awesome. And move-

Jahnavi Harrison 57:58 Um, I feel cute when ... [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:00 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:01 This one's obviously not on the list. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 58:03 From Jay's, uh, list of questions. [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:06 [laughs] I feel cute when Prema's coming onto me.

Jahnavi Harrison 58:10 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:12 [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:12 Yeah, I'm loving God.

Jahnavi Harrison 58:14 Oh.

Jay Shetty 58:14 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 58:14 Jahnavi, you feel cute when ...

Willow Smith 58:16 I feel cute when I'm around Radhi.

Jahnavi Harrison 58:18 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 58:19 [laughs] Four of you dancing to titty. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 58:22 [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:23 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 58:23 I think you ended it really well. [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:26 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 58:26 Go on, ask us some of those questions.

Jay Shetty 58:27 Okay. So these are the final five. That was very good, by the way. G- round of applause-

Jahnavi Harrison 58:31 Fantastic

Jay Shetty 58:31 ... for fill in the blank, you guys.

Jahnavi Harrison 58:32 Fantastic answers.

Willow Smith 58:32 Trying. Woo.

Jay Shetty 58:33 Uh,

Jay Shetty 58:33 final five, so these have to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum.

Willow Smith 58:36 Ooh.

Jay Shetty 58:37 And they're the same questions for both of you. So I'll ask the question, and then both of you can go in any order.

Jahnavi Harrison 58:42 Well, maybe you guys can be like a buzz or a beep to answer first. [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:45 Buzz or a beep?

Jahnavi Harrison 58:46 Yeah.

Willow Smith 58:46 Wait, what-

Jahnavi Harrison 58:47 Buzz, so like he'll ask the question, and whoever's got the answer first, buzz, beep.

Jay Shetty 58:50 Oh, okay.

Willow Smith 58:51 Right.

Jay Shetty 58:51 All right. Okay. Uh, all right. [laughs]

Willow Smith 58:53 Beating, being competitive.

Jay Shetty 58:54 Yeah, I know. All right.

Willow Smith 58:55 Not like-

Jahnavi Harrison 58:56 You better not [laughs] not go-

Willow Smith 58:57 ... no contact

Jahnavi Harrison 58:57 ... be the competitive, okay?

Jay Shetty 58:58 Okay, okay. What is the biggest lesson that you've learned this year? [laughs]

Willow Smith 59:04 That's a-

Jay Shetty 59:04 We'll put sound effect. We'll, we'll put a sound effect in to make it more ...

Willow Smith 59:07 Um, detachment.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:10 Nice.

Jay Shetty 59:10 Mm.

Willow Smith 59:11 Mm.

Jay Shetty 59:11 Beautiful.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:13 The power of community.

Jay Shetty 59:15 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:16 Mm.

Jay Shetty 59:16 Love that. Okay. The second question is, oh, this is one of my favorite questions I ask on the show, so what do you know to be absolutely true but a lot of people may disagree with you on?

Willow Smith 59:28 Ooh.

Jay Shetty 59:29 And what is it that you're so confident about and so sure about in your life, but a lot of people may disagree, and they may not-

Jahnavi Harrison 59:35 Oh

Jay Shetty 59:35 ... they may not necessarily understand.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:37 Good question.

Willow Smith 59:37 Self-love is the most important love.

Jay Shetty 59:40 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:40 Nice.

Willow Smith 59:41 But I don't know if anyone would disagree.

Jahnavi Harrison 59:44 I'd say, uh, connection with spirit and divi- the divine is essential for a purposeful life.

Willow Smith 59:56 Mm.

Jay Shetty 59:57 Mm.

Willow Smith 59:57 Yes. Mm-hmm.

Jay Shetty 59:59 Yeah, I can see people disagreeing.

Willow Smith 1:00:00 Disagreeing.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:01 Yes, I could.

Jay Shetty 1:00:01 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:02 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:00:04 Yeah. All right. Uh, the third question is, um, if you could set one law that everyone had to follow in the world-

Willow Smith 1:00:14 Wow

Jay Shetty 1:00:15 ... what would it be?

Willow Smith 1:00:16 Oh.

Jay Shetty 1:00:17 If you had to create a new law-

Willow Smith 1:00:18 A law

Jay Shetty 1:00:18 ... that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Willow Smith 1:00:20 [laughs] You're like, "Stop it."

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:24 I know. I'm like, I'm like, "I would need this to be good." [laughs] Um-

Willow Smith 1:00:27 Just thinking if someone's listening

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:29 ... I'm gonna give two different ... Because this is too important to me to just-

Jay Shetty 1:00:33 Okay

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:33 ... say in one way.

Jay Shetty 1:00:33 Two laws. You get two laws.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:35 Um-

Jay Shetty 1:00:35 You can take Jahnavi's, too. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:36 It's either, it's either treat people the way you wanna be treated-

Willow Smith 1:00:41 Mm-hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:41 ... or treat people with the utmost respect-

Jay Shetty 1:00:45 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:46 ... at all times-

Willow Smith 1:00:47 Mm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:47 ... no matter what.

Willow Smith 1:00:48 Mm.

Jay Shetty 1:00:49 Mm.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:00:49 Um, I feel like that would help a lot of the wars- Yeah ... and a lot of the inequality that goes on.

Willow Smith 1:00:57 Mm.

Jay Shetty 1:00:57 Yeah. Thank you.

Willow Smith 1:00:58 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:00:59 Wonderful answer.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:00 I want Willow's laws, but also- [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:01:02 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:01:03 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:04 Um, I was thinking a lo- I don't know how this would actually be manifest or policed, but, um, a law to, about being truthful-

Willow Smith 1:01:14 Mm-hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:14 ... and honest. Can you imagine if-

Willow Smith 1:01:16 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:01:17 Yes

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:17 ... everyone w- had to be truthful?

Willow Smith 1:01:19 At all times.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:19 If there had to be integrity to one's word?

Jay Shetty 1:01:22 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:22 What a place the world would look like. With, along with Willow's laws of love and respect.

Jay Shetty 1:01:27 Yeah.

Willow Smith 1:01:27 Mm.

Jay Shetty 1:01:27 It's like that movie. Did you see that Ricky Gervais movie where they actually did that? It was like a movie where-

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:32 Where they couldn't lie or something?

Willow Smith 1:01:33 Oh, where everyone-

Jay Shetty 1:01:34 The Man-

Willow Smith 1:01:34 The Man Who Invented Lying.

Jay Shetty 1:01:35 Lying, yeah, yeah, that's it, yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:37 Mm. I didn't see that.

Willow Smith 1:01:37 That was a funny movie.

Jay Shetty 1:01:38 Yeah, yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:38 I remember the Jim Carrey one, Liar Liar.

Jay Shetty 1:01:41 Liar Liar, yeah. [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:01:42 Totally.

Jay Shetty 1:01:42 Yeah, yeah.

Willow Smith 1:01:43 Totally.

Jay Shetty 1:01:43 Yeah.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:43 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:01:44 Okay, so two, two more questions left. Fourth question is, what is your personal favorite song on the EP, and why? So you can be over one sentence on this one.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:52 Hmm.

Willow Smith 1:01:52 What is my personal favorite song on the EP, and why? [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:01:56 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:57 Hmm.

Willow Smith 1:01:58 Um. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:01:59 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:01:59 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:02:00 I'd have to say, I'd have to say Born To Give.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:05 Hmm.

Willow Smith 1:02:06 Just because the instrumentation, um ... It's like, when do you ever hear a guitar solo on top of a, on top of a mantra-

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:15 Hmm

Willow Smith 1:02:15 ... that's being repeated? Like, we're saying Sat Chit Ananda, like-

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:19 Electric guitar

Willow Smith 1:02:20 ... over and o- electric guitar solo.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:21 At that-

Jay Shetty 1:02:21 Oh, yeah, that-

Willow Smith 1:02:22 While Sat Chit Ananda is being repeated. Um, I just was like, I'd never heard anything like that, so I was like, "I really love this moment."

Jay Shetty 1:02:30 Mm.

Willow Smith 1:02:30 I, I think that would be my favorite song.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:32 Hmm.

Jay Shetty 1:02:32 I love that. That's cool. That's a cool reason. Go ahead, Anuri.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:35 Yeah. It's real- I mean, honestly, I actually do love them all equally, but Gajendra-

Willow Smith 1:02:40 Hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:02:41 ... or Let Go, is one of my favorites because, um, I love the story that it's connected to, which is from the Bhakti tradition. And, uh, this, this theme of surrender is, is so meaningful to me, but to, to express it in, in English lyrics.

Willow Smith 1:03:00 Mm-hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:00 And, um, yeah, I just love it.

Willow Smith 1:03:04 Hmm.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:04 And I love the, I love this bridge. A lot of people have been posting themselves singing it.

Willow Smith 1:03:08 [singing]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:09 Yeah.

Willow Smith 1:03:09 Yes. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:10 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:10 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:03:11 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:11 I just, I just love that. I was telling Willow that I, a couple, uh, like few weeks before we met up, I, um, I watched Hamilton when it went-

Willow Smith 1:03:20 Hmm

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:20 ... streaming o- online, and I was so inspired by the, the lyrics and the way that the, the, the music was composed and constructed. And I think that was in my head a little bit when I [laughs] wrote this.

Willow Smith 1:03:32 Aw.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:32 So yeah, I love that song.

Jay Shetty 1:03:34 I love it.

Willow Smith 1:03:34 And lastly, the most important one, both of you do an impression of each other from your experience in, uh, the studio.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:42 100%.

Willow Smith 1:03:43 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:03:43 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:46 You're like, "Perfection, perfection."

Willow Smith 1:03:48 That's literally me. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:50 Or like, "I feel like that would be such a vibe."

Willow Smith 1:03:52 Yeah.

Jay Shetty 1:03:52 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:03:53 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:03:53 Yeah, that's me. And then, and then when I'm, like, on the keyboard trying to find the sound, Jahnavi's like, "Okay."

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:00 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:04:01 "I could, I could see that maybe."

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:03 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:04:04 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:04:04 "I could see that." And I'm like, "Okay, she doesn't like this. Let's move on."

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:07 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:04:08 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:04:08 My favorite Willow is, "That hits differently."

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:10 Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:04:11 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:04:11 That really hits different.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:13 Yesterday when we were talking about the Bhagavad Gita-

Willow Smith 1:04:15 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:15 ... I was like, "Ugh." I kept on saying that. I was like, "Oh, that hits different."

Willow Smith 1:04:19 That hits different.

Jay Shetty 1:04:20 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:20 Oh, that hits different.

Willow Smith 1:04:20 [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:04:21 It's a great statement.

Willow Smith 1:04:21 Aw.

Jay Shetty 1:04:22 I love it.

Willow Smith 1:04:22 This is so lovely.

Jay Shetty 1:04:22 Everyone, Willow and Jahnavi-

Willow Smith 1:04:24 Woo-hoo!

Jay Shetty 1:04:25 ... go and listen to the R I S E EP. We'll put the link everywhere. Please, please, please go and check it out. It's-

Willow Smith 1:04:30 It will transform your heart

Jay Shetty 1:04:30 ... it's a beautiful experience.

Willow Smith 1:04:31 Open it and fill it with so much joy.

Jay Shetty 1:04:34 Yeah. [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:34 [laughs]

Willow Smith 1:04:35 Oh, I will.

Jay Shetty 1:04:36 Go on, Jahnavi.

Willow Smith 1:04:36 It will transform your heart, open it, and fill it with so much joy.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:04:39 Yes. [laughs]

Jay Shetty 1:04:41 [laughs] But no, we really want you to go check it out, and, uh, thank you so much for listening today. Thank you so much. And if you don't already, go and follow Willow and Jahnavi on Instagram, and tag us when you share it. Tag them when you share it, because-

Willow Smith 1:04:52 Yeah

Jay Shetty 1:04:52 ... we wanna hear you guys singing along. We wanna see you finding your peace, finding your calm. And so please, please, please tag them when you share it because they'll be looking out. We'll be looking out. And we're so grateful, again, to have you here On Purpose. Thank you so much.

Willow Smith 1:05:05 Thank you.

Jay Shetty 1:05:05 Big thank you to Radhi, my cohost-

Willow Smith 1:05:06 Woo! [claps]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:05:07 [claps]

Jay Shetty 1:05:07 ... for, for doing this with me today.

Willow Smith 1:05:08 Thanks for having me on.

Jay Shetty 1:05:09 And our studio friend.

Jahnavi Harrison 1:05:10 She was fired. She was fired.

Willow Smith 1:05:10 Yes.

Jay Shetty 1:05:10 Yeah, yeah.

Willow Smith 1:05:11 Made the cut.

Jay Shetty 1:05:12 [laughs]

Jahnavi Harrison 1:05:12 Maker regular.

Willow Smith 1:05:13 [laughs]

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