Joe Rogan Experience #1061 - Tom Papa

Narrator 0:06 Three, two, one. Happy New Year, Tom Papa. (accordian music plays)

Joe Rogan 0:13 Whee! Whee!

Tom Papa 0:15 (laughs)

Narrator 0:16 See how happy you get?

Joe Rogan 0:18 Thank you for the gift.

Tom Papa 0:19 You're welcome.

Joe Rogan 0:19 I've always wanted one of these.

Tom Papa 0:21 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Not really.

Tom Papa 0:22 It is. It's a... (accordian music plays)

Joe Rogan 0:25 (laughs)

Tom Papa 0:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:26 I got two things that I really don't want today.

Tom Papa 0:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:30 One was herpes. No.

Tom Papa 0:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:32 One was, uh, Yeezys.

Tom Papa 0:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:36 Don't you love them? Jamie thinks I'll love...

Tom Papa 0:38 They're accordion.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Uh, he got me the wrong pair and I said, "Take these back. These are yours. You keep 'em." And he, he came back and brought me the right size.

Tom Papa 0:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 He insists. First he brought me the wrong size.

Tom Papa 0:48 What's wrong with them?

Joe Rogan 0:49 That, they're fucking preposterous. Okay.

Tom Papa 0:51 Let me see 'em.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Look at them. If you were, um, Brendan Schaub, they're the perfect thing, because they're in. This looks like something from the 90s.

Tom Papa 1:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Like some kind of shoe from the 90s. Now, what level of outrage would there be if I started wearing these to run the mountains?

Tom Papa 1:12 What, what if they were really comfortable and you liked them?

Joe Rogan 1:14 Mm.

Tom Papa 1:15 Are they?

Joe Rogan 1:15 Is that what's going on?

Tom Papa 1:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:16 So, you think that if I put 'em on, I would all of a sudden love them-

Tom Papa 1:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:20 ... and I would get it.

Tom Papa 1:21 Those are street.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Maybe.

Tom Papa 1:22 Are those for the street?

Joe Rogan 1:24 Does he have like a, a bird heel?

Tom Papa 1:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:27 Where you have like a extra hook-

Tom Papa 1:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 ... in the back of the heel?

Tom Papa 1:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Like, why does it go, like a normal heel, like here's a normal heel.

Tom Papa 1:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:35 So that goes-

Tom Papa 1:36 Flat.

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... flat.

Tom Papa 1:36 Flush.

Joe Rogan 1:37 Yeah, it's flat. This like goes out at an, uh, an angle.

Tom Papa 1:41 (laughs) They sent those too.

Joe Rogan 1:42 That does too?

Tom Papa 1:42 It's the boost. It's the stylish shoe. It's the bottom. It's what, it's part of the Adidas-

Joe Rogan 1:47 Oh.

Tom Papa 1:47 ... silhouette. Is it the style or is it the, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:49 It's the shape.

Tom Papa 1:50 Is it the style or is it the feel that you really like?

Narrator 1:53 The feel. But both, well both, honestly both. But these are really comfortable shoes. The boost is super comfortable.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Is this a Adidas made shoe? Is that-

Narrator 2:00 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh, so Adidas makes the Yeezys?

Tom Papa 2:03 Ah.

Narrator 2:03 Yeah, and there's just no Adidas logo on there, so-

Joe Rogan 2:05 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 2:05 ... it's hard to tell that.

Tom Papa 2:06 You're starting to like them.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Interesting.

Tom Papa 2:07 You're starting to warm up.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Well, I, I, weird how they have this like military style number-

Narrator 2:13 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:13 ... thing on the side, like some fucking Korean missile.

Tom Papa 2:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:18 Like, what is that?

Narrator 2:19 I couldn't tell you what it stands for. I've seen there are multiple things. It could just be supply or it could be a company.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Hm.

Narrator 2:24 It could be an acronym for something, I don't know.

Tom Papa 2:25 Yeah, they look like they're from the 90s.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Mm.

Tom Papa 2:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:28 It does, right?

Narrator 2:29 Enjoy them. Enjoy them.

Joe Rogan 2:30 Thank you, sir.

Narrator 2:30 No problem.

Joe Rogan 2:31 Why, why an accordion? Like what is... Are you a monkey?

Tom Papa 2:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:35 No, the guy has the accordion. The monkey dances.

Tom Papa 2:37 The monkey dances and I love the sound of an accordion. And I just, uh, I saw it and I just wanted to bring something to the new studio. The, you like how you have a lot of weird shit here.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 2:47 And this is weird. That somebody loved this sound so much that they decided let's make an instrument out of it.

Joe Rogan 2:53 Yeah, are there like real complicated ones of those? Or like-

Tom Papa 2:57 Big.

Joe Rogan 2:57 ... do people play them in orchestras and shit?

Tom Papa 3:00 No, I don't think they ever (laughs) made it into the orchestra.

Joe Rogan 3:03 And so it's never been like a really respected piece of musical instrument?

Tom Papa 3:06 Zydeco, New Orleans, Buckwheat Zydeco, you ever hear that guy?

Joe Rogan 3:10 Mm, sure, yeah.

Tom Papa 3:11 Yeah. That like... Polka. A lot of Polish polka.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Do you remember Zamfir, master of the pan flute?

Tom Papa 3:17 Of course.

Joe Rogan 3:18 What happened to that poor bastard?

Tom Papa 3:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:20 Like, he had a whole marketing team behind him. They're like, "Dude, no one's done this."

Tom Papa 3:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:23 "No one's done this, but we're gonna do this."

Tom Papa 3:25 (laughs) You could not-

Joe Rogan 3:25 Master the pan flute, DVD, CDs, VHS tapes.

Tom Papa 3:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:30 We're gonna sell it all.

Tom Papa 3:31 There's literally no competition- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:32 There's nothing.

Tom Papa 3:33 ... you can do this.

Joe Rogan 3:34 You're Zamfir. He's the Tony Hawk of the pan flute.

Tom Papa 3:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:37 Right? Like here he is.

Tom Papa 3:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Give me some volume on this guy.

Narrator 3:40 He's hauntingly beautiful music in movies, on radio and TV.

Tom Papa 3:44 Look at the chest hair.

Narrator 3:45 He's sold over 20 million records-

Tom Papa 3:46 And the chain, the gold chain.

Narrator 3:47 ... around the world.

Joe Rogan 3:48 20 million records? What?

Tom Papa 3:50 (laughs)

Narrator 3:50 His name is Zamfir.

Tom Papa 3:54 Zamfir.

Narrator 3:54 The master of the pan flute.

Joe Rogan 3:55 He has a-

Narrator 3:55 That magical instrument with the unforgettable sound. Now, in his magnificent-

Tom Papa 3:59 He looks like a guy that works in the deli.

Narrator 4:01 ... album collection-

Tom Papa 4:01 (laughs)

Narrator 4:01 ... you'll hear Zamfir's-

Joe Rogan 4:01 That is a very forgettable sound.

Narrator 4:03 ... enchanting melody.

Tom Papa 4:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:04 It's a recorder. It's for like one, one of the things you learn when you're in fourth grade and they teach you music.

Tom Papa 4:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:10 With that, that goofy flute like thing.

Tom Papa 4:12 Boop, boop, boop.

Joe Rogan 4:13 I never, I never paid attention to the recorder, because they gave me the recorder and I go, "Well, what, how come I don't see this in bands?"

Tom Papa 4:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:21 Get the fuck out of here. I'm not gonna spend some time learning an instrument-

Tom Papa 4:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:25 ... that no one plays.

Tom Papa 4:27 You had to though and you had to carry it in your sock.

Joe Rogan 4:29 (laughs)

Tom Papa 4:30 Don't you remember? You had to put it in your sock.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Yes. (laughs)

Tom Papa 4:32 They didn't even have cases. They just give you a-

Joe Rogan 4:34 (laughs)

Tom Papa 4:34 Yeah, get an old tube sock from your dad and put it in there. And go get-

Joe Rogan 4:37 That's right. But no one makes a case for the fucking recorder.

Tom Papa 4:41 No, you had to put it in your dad's sock.

Joe Rogan 4:43 And it didn't make any sense either that it was, oh, he's got it. He plays it.

Tom Papa 4:46 Oh, this is Jethro Tull.

Joe Rogan 4:47 But he plays a flute, right?

Narrator 4:48 Well, it said pan flute when I typed it in, but-

Joe Rogan 4:50 Oh.

Narrator 4:50 ... it's just a flute, rock flute.

Joe Rogan 4:51 Well, he's a bad motherfucker.

Tom Papa 4:52 Yeah, Jethro tells...

Narrator 4:55 We're gonna look out of town so.

Tom Papa 4:57 He, he's going crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:58 What a freaky looking dude.

Narrator 4:59 Looking around and everything's great.

Tom Papa 5:00 He looks like he lives in a hollowed out tree.

Joe Rogan 5:04 (laughs)

Tom Papa 5:04 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 5:05 He does.

Tom Papa 5:07 Oh my God, scurries out-

Joe Rogan 5:09 He does.

Tom Papa 5:09 ... when you walk by on the trail. "Hello."

Joe Rogan 5:11 Has anybody else figured out how to use the flute in rock and roll music besides Jethro Tull?

Tom Papa 5:16 Uh, yeah, there's been some flute. There's been, uh...

Joe Rogan 5:20 But not like him, right?

Tom Papa 5:21 No.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Like, where it's-

Tom Papa 5:22 No, where it's-

Joe Rogan 5:23 ... a part of it.

Tom Papa 5:23 ... the lead.

Joe Rogan 5:24 Damn.

Tom Papa 5:24 He's the lead guy.

Joe Rogan 5:26 Isn't that weird how like a band will come along and they'll just figure out how to do something that no one's figured out?

Tom Papa 5:31 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No, we're gonna do this.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Yeah, we're just gonna throw a flute in the mix.

Tom Papa 5:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:37 And then everybody's like, "I, I like it."

Tom Papa 5:39 "Hey, it kind of works."

Joe Rogan 5:41 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:41 "Should we get a flute?" I was, uh, I was doing this show last weekend and this guy had an oboe. He was like the, the, in San Francisco, he's one of the, like the oboists in the world. And he's playing this instrument, it's very melancholy, just beautiful. But it really was occurring to me like, why, who built this? Who thought this sound was so important?... when that they decided-

Joe Rogan 6:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 6:06 ... we're gonna make an instrument so we can r-recreate this feeling and this sound for all those instruments in this film?

Joe Rogan 6:12 Well, if you gave me a pen and a paper and told me to draw an oboe, I'd be fucked.

Tom Papa 6:16 Yeah, I, it was not what I thought it was. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:19 (laughs)

Tom Papa 6:20 I was like, "Oh, yeah."

Joe Rogan 6:21 Um, uh, uh, before you pull up a picture of it, let me think of what it looks like. Well, I wanna th- And I'm thinking of a trombone. I'm thinking of a thing where-

Tom Papa 6:28 No.

Joe Rogan 6:28 But it's definitely not that.

Tom Papa 6:29 I thought it was way bigger. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:31 It's a... Okay, pull it up. Let me see what the oboe is.

Tom Papa 6:33 It's straight up.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Oh, it looks like a flute.

Tom Papa 6:35 Yeah, it's straight. It looks almost like a clarinet.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Oh, yeah, a clarinet. That's what I'm thinking. Not a flute. Wow.

Tom Papa 6:40 That looks more clarinet-ish.

Joe Rogan 6:41 That looks pretty badass, that-

Tom Papa 6:44 Oboe and pop.

Joe Rogan 6:46 That's in Waterworld?

Tom Papa 6:47 (sniffs) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Not the movie, right?

Tom Papa 6:51 That's not a good example.

Joe Rogan 6:52 You know what's fucked up? Waterworld's a terrible movie.

Tom Papa 6:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:54 Waterworld's a terrible movie, but they have a damn good themed show at Universal.

Tom Papa 7:00 In Universal.

Joe Rogan 7:00 It's very good.

Tom Papa 7:01 It's really good.

Joe Rogan 7:02 But it's amazing. It's like, nobody watched that fucking movie.

Tom Papa 7:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:05 It was a gigantic flop.

Tom Papa 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 But still, in 2018, they put on a jammin' live show with Waterworld.

Tom Papa 7:13 Kicks ass.

Joe Rogan 7:13 So everybody's like, "Wait, wait, wait, what the fuck is this based on?"

Tom Papa 7:16 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:18 This (laughs) this is some sort of dystopian world, where like, everybody is drowning, right?

Tom Papa 7:23 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 The water's risen to the top of everything. And then there's baddies and good people, and, and then there's stuntpeople that are risking their lives. There's explosions and fire and-

Tom Papa 7:32 Oil.

Joe Rogan 7:33 ... flying jet skis.

Tom Papa 7:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:35 I went to see it with my family.

Tom Papa 7:36 It's hot.

Joe Rogan 7:36 It's great. We got fucking drenched, by the way.

Tom Papa 7:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 If you're gonna go see this-

Tom Papa 7:40 Good seats.

Joe Rogan 7:40 ... don't go during a cold day. It doesn't matter good or bad seats, man. That, that shit goes up into the 15th, 16th rows.

Tom Papa 7:46 (laughs) And look at that.

Joe Rogan 7:48 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:48 That is good production value.

Joe Rogan 7:49 It's great 'cause it's, it's like a play, but it's fun to watch. It's-

Tom Papa 7:53 That's-

Joe Rogan 7:53 It's very enjoyable.

Tom Papa 7:55 That's all Kevin Costner had to do, was just do this. (laughs) He didn't have to make that gigantic movie.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Well, that movie just-

Tom Papa 8:01 Dennis Hopper.

Joe Rogan 8:02 That movie was a hu-... I had some friends that worked on it that were stuntpeople in the movie.

Tom Papa 8:07 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 8:07 And they were just talking about the amount of money.

Tom Papa 8:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:09 That like, whenever you're filming anything involving water, like, you're fucked.

Tom Papa 8:13 Ah.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Everything is insanely expensive.

Tom Papa 8:16 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:16 Right? Everything's, uh-

Tom Papa 8:18 Your camera's your...

Joe Rogan 8:19 It's all underwater. Everything's water. It's wet. Everything's wet. It's like, the whole thing was crazy.

Tom Papa 8:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 And it sucked.

Tom Papa 8:26 (laughs) Aw.

Joe Rogan 8:27 It did suck.

Tom Papa 8:28 I tried to watch it, actually, recently.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Here it is.

Tom Papa 8:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Fucking terrible movie. It's got a cigar.

Tom Papa 8:32 It's the cool idea that like, the sea's have risen.

Joe Rogan 8:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 8:34 And now you've gotta l- You have to l- live on this boat.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Yeah, but like, he's in like, a fight for his life and shit, and he's got a fucking cigar in his mouth.

Tom Papa 8:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 It's one of those movies.

Tom Papa 8:43 And they have, yeah, and they have weird like, comedic guys. And then Dennis Hopper is kind of a, looks cool, but it's kinda weird.

Joe Rogan 8:48 Yeah. See, like, these guys are about to shoot him and he's got a cigar in his mouth. Like, look, everybody's dirty, but it's wet out. "Get in the water, you fuck."

Tom Papa 8:55 It's like, it's like... (laughs) "You dirty, stinky bitch." That's a- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:58 "There's, there's water everywhere."

Tom Papa 8:59 That's a great point. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:01 (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:01 Why are they filthy? The whole place is a tub.

Joe Rogan 9:04 It's because it's a ripoff of Mad Max.

Tom Papa 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 From Mad Max, the dystopian Mad Max movie was made in a place where there's no fucking water.

Tom Papa 9:12 Yeah. Here in the desert.

Joe Rogan 9:13 They had a reason to be dirty, you fucking plagiarists.

Tom Papa 9:16 (laughs) "Just jump in the water."

Joe Rogan 9:17 No, but see, he's fighting for his life and he's got a cigar in his mouth. "Spit the cigar out, you cunt. You're gonna get shot."

Tom Papa 9:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:23 "Jesus, Jesus Christ."

Tom Papa 9:26 I did like that boat, though. That was a pretty cool boat.

Joe Rogan 9:28 It is.

Tom Papa 9:28 That he could control the whole thing. (clicking noises)

Joe Rogan 9:29 Yes. It's kinda int- It's bad, but it's not nearly as bad as The Postman.

Tom Papa 9:35 The Postman?

Joe Rogan 9:36 The Postman-

Tom Papa 9:36 Postman?

Joe Rogan 9:37 ... was another dystopian movie that was a ju- colossal failure-

Tom Papa 9:40 I don't remember that.

Joe Rogan 9:40 ... starring Kevin Costner. But Kevin Costner, who I'm not a sh- I'm not shitting on Kevin Costner.

Tom Papa 9:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:44 I'm a huge Kevin Costner fan. I love that guy. But he wa- he was in a couple of stinkers that kinda tanked him-

Tom Papa 9:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 9:50 ... for a long time. The Postman from 1997 is one of the worst movies-

Tom Papa 9:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:56 ... in the history of bad movies.

Tom Papa 9:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:58 So bad that I will get high and watch it occasionally just for the fucking yucks.

Tom Papa 10:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:03 But-

Tom Papa 10:03 I've never even seen this one.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Oh, yeah. In the future-

Tom Papa 10:06 Oh, and that's Giovanni Ribisi? Whatever his name is?

Joe Rogan 10:08 Yeah, whatever. Giovanni Ribisi.

Tom Papa 10:10 Giovanni Ribisi?

Joe Rogan 10:10 Yeah. He'd get kicked in the head there. Um, in this movie, like-

Tom Papa 10:15 Who is he?

Joe Rogan 10:15 ... there's, Kevin Costner has to deliver the letters. It's like, this big thing.

Tom Papa 10:18 Ah.

Joe Rogan 10:19 In the future, there's no p- post office anymore, so he's gotta be like, the postman. But they're trying to kill him. Look, they're gonna fucking get him.

Tom Papa 10:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:27 He's gotta run across the bridge.

Tom Papa 10:29 He's like, "I've got letters."

Joe Rogan 10:30 He's got the mail. "What are you doing? The fuck are you doing with these letters?" "I gotta bring them."

Tom Papa 10:35 "It's important we communicate."

Narrator 10:37 Is this all because of Dances with Wolves? It was so good and they tried to like, re-do it? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:41 No, this is not, nothing like Dances with Wolves, apparently.

Tom Papa 10:44 All right. They're just like, "Get him back in the woods."

Joe Rogan 10:46 I think this is based on a novel, if I remember correctly. See if that movie, The Postman, is based on a novel. I think it's based on, on a science fiction or future fiction novel, if I remember correctly.

Tom Papa 11:01 I never even heard of that movie.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Oh, it's so bad.

Narrator 11:03 Yeah, 1985 book.

Tom Papa 11:03 It's great.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Yeah, it is made into a book. Okay, yeah. So, yeah. It's-

Tom Papa 11:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:08 It's-

Narrator 11:08 (laughs) It's so great.

Joe Rogan 11:09 It's about, I think it might be like, post-nuclear war or something.

Tom Papa 11:12 Who's trying to stop him?

Joe Rogan 11:14 Uh, people don't like mail.

Tom Papa 11:15 (laughs)

Narrator 11:16 But guess what year it takes place in?

Joe Rogan 11:18 Oh, let me guess. 2014.

Narrator 11:20 2013.

Tom Papa 11:21 Ah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:22 My God.

Tom Papa 11:23 That's great.

Joe Rogan 11:24 The other day, we were looking at, um, uh, Blade Runner.

Tom Papa 11:27 (blows nose)

Joe Rogan 11:27 Blade Runner was 2019.

Tom Papa 11:28 Yeah. Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 11:30 The original one was 2019.

Tom Papa 11:32 Wow.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Next year, flying cars, robot people.

Tom Papa 11:34 So off.

Joe Rogan 11:35 Yeah.

Tom Papa 11:35 Not so... Well, we might make it.

Joe Rogan 11:38 (laughs)

Tom Papa 11:38 We're p- We're going fast.

Joe Rogan 11:40 The thing is, whatever does happen will happen so fast, we'll wish for something like Blade Runner, where there's some sort of intermediate world where-

Tom Papa 11:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:48 ... the technology and the people coexist.

Tom Papa 11:51 (laughs) Right, because we're just gonna be-

Joe Rogan 11:53 Yeah, we're just gonna be-

Tom Papa 11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:54 ... plugged into it, like The Matrix.

Tom Papa 11:56 Yeah. It's just gonna be slow, and then (snaps fingers) all of a sudden.

Joe Rogan 11:59 It's gonna be just... If, if you go back to 1994, which is essentially when most people started logging on to You've Got Mail, right?

Tom Papa 12:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:08 That's 24 years ago. Okay, that's not a long time.

Tom Papa 12:11 No.

Joe Rogan 12:11 That's a tiny, brief little moment in human history. And in 24 years, the world's radically changed the way it gets information.

Tom Papa 12:18 Completely.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Completely, right?

Tom Papa 12:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Now, go 24 years from now, it's probably gonna be accelerated tenfold from that point.

Tom Papa 12:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:27 Like, the moment artificial intelligence happens, the moment autonomous cars start happening, the moment the Boring Company actually has tunnels going through the bottom of LA and-

Tom Papa 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:37 All of it's gonna be fucking bananas.

Tom Papa 12:39 I had a guy from, uh, Tesla-... Energy at my house yesterday.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Ooh.

Tom Papa 12:44 And, uh, they bought Solar City, so it's no longer this solar company. They're now Tesla Energy. Tesla Energy's now the car, the trucks, the batteries, the power wall, generators, and the solar. And this, this guy comes in like he's from the future.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Whoa.

Tom Papa 13:01 He is dressed like a future (laughs) guy, in this, like, black fitted thing, these, kind of like those shoes, but in white. And he just kinda comes in. He's really sharp and, like, really clear, and just goes through the thing. And-

Joe Rogan 13:12 He's probably on Adderall.

Tom Papa 13:13 (laughs) And their thing is that, uh, they're gonna put, uh, solar on the roofs, eh, and then you have your power wall. You're still connected to the grid because you've gotta ... y- They have to for political reasons. But their whole thing, they wanna create Tesla neighborhoods-

Joe Rogan 13:29 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 13:30 ... where everybody starts feeding off of each other. They're just completely autonomous Tesla neighborhoods.

Joe Rogan 13:36 That's a good point what you just said, though, about that it's politically motivated, that the reason why they have to stay on the grid.

Tom Papa 13:42 It's the only reason.

Joe Rogan 13:42 It's the only reason.

Tom Papa 13:43 They don't need it.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Yeah.

Tom Papa 13:44 But in order to get things passed-

Joe Rogan 13:47 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 13:47 ... that they can, like, have that big battery in your, in your house, they wouldn't l- let that happen unless ... Because that really would mean that you're completely cut off, and the politician's like, "No. Oh, that's not happening."

Joe Rogan 13:58 Isn't that crazy? Because, eh, that's a more efficient way to do it. You getting the power from the sun, it's cleaner, it's better for everybody, and yet they're still like, "No."

Tom Papa 14:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:08 "No, we wanna keep these jobs."

Tom Papa 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 "We wanna keep the system. We wanna slow down progress."

Tom Papa 14:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:14 "We don't, we don't want everybody to have to radically readjust."

Tom Papa 14:17 Yeah. And the, and the costs are, for energy, are just going up so quickly, that in, like, three years, what you pay in Southern California is almost gonna double. So it's-

Joe Rogan 14:29 Three years, really?

Tom Papa 14:30 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Wow.

Tom Papa 14:32 'Cause there's a, they have to reach benchmarks by 2020. Did you see what Tesla did in Puerto Rico?

Joe Rogan 14:39 No. What'd they do?

Tom Papa 14:40 Eh, I remember him saying he was going to do this, and then there was no news (laughs) coverage about it. But their whole infrastructure was wiped out during the hurricane, like, completely, that old archaic electric shot. He had all these power walls. They're giant batteries, about the size of the flag.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 14:58 And they just store all of this energy, like a year's worth of energy, it can store. And they were about to be shipped to customers here in the US who bought them, who want them in their house, you know, as backup generators, basically. They were supposed to ship in January. They're not shipping now until April because he decided, "These people in Puerto Rico need energy," took all of those power walls, shipped them to Puerto Rico, and has built this new infrastructure for Puerto Rico. Hospitals are running on Tesla. Schools are running on Tesla. Uh, neighborhoods are running on it. And it was this quiet little story. Like, nobody ... This is a kickass company that went in and literally is saving this island.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Listen, fuck Oprah. We need Elon Musk-

Tom Papa 15:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:43 ... to run for president.

Tom Papa 15:44 That's what, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 I'm tired of people saying Oprah. The last-

Tom Papa 15:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:46 ... couple of days have been-

Tom Papa 15:47 It's been crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... hell for me. (laughs) I love Oprah. Don't get me wrong. I think she's a wonderful woman.

Tom Papa 15:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:52 I think she's a powerful force of good-

Tom Papa 15:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:55 ... and positive energy.

Tom Papa 15:56 But she ain't no Elon.

Joe Rogan 15:57 But she also brought us Dr. Oz and The Secret.

Tom Papa 16:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:01 We, we have, we have to remember what this lady has done.

Tom Papa 16:05 (laughs) She has to be held accountable.

Joe Rogan 16:07 Sh- I forgive her, but I mean, cut the shit.

Tom Papa 16:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:10 The Secret is a particularly egregious offense.

Tom Papa 16:13 Eh, well, you don't, you just k-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Oh, you don't believe?

Tom Papa 16:16 You don't, don't believe?

Joe Rogan 16:16 You don't believe? Believe? Believe?

Tom Papa 16:19 Uh, I want to be rich.

Joe Rogan 16:22 I just-

Tom Papa 16:22 I am rich.

Joe Rogan 16:23 I imagine myself flying.

Tom Papa 16:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:26 I can fly. I will beat my wings until I take off. What's up?

Tom Papa 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:33 I- It was one of the more dis- confu- I won't necessarily say disturbing, but it was confusing when that was taking hold with people. When I, I had friends that were telling me that The Secret is real, and that they imagined they were going to fulfill these childhood dreams that they had had-

Tom Papa 16:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... about whatever, being a fucking astronaut, whatever, whatever it would be. There was a couple people that I knew that were trying to tell me that The Secret was going to be the thing, and that they had a vision board, and they had photographs. They'd put pictures up of the things that they wanted.

Tom Papa 17:05 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Like them in front of large crowds and shit.

Tom Papa 17:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:08 I'm like, "Oh, boy."

Tom Papa 17:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:10 This is-

Tom Papa 17:10 In front of large crowds. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:11 This is so not how it works.

Tom Papa 17:13 Yeah. But there is a kernel of it that works.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Yes, yep, kernel of it.

Tom Papa 17:18 Positive thinking, you wanting something-

Joe Rogan 17:20 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 17:20 ... you envisioning it. But they, that's a little component in just how you live your life.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 17:25 It's not just sitting in your- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:27 You know what it's like?

Tom Papa 17:27 ... place and wishing it so.

Joe Rogan 17:28 It's like saying, "I am going to be a bodybuilder because I drink water."

Tom Papa 17:35 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 It's like, no, you ... (sighs) Okay.

Tom Papa 17:39 (laughs) Ah, geez.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Where do I start? You, you should drink water, and it will help you if you want to be a bodybuilder. But I've talked to all these bodybuilders, and the one thing they have in common is they all drank water, and they knew that if they drank water, they would be giant. They'd be giant, huge people.

Tom Papa 17:54 That's all you gotta do.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Okay, okay, but did they also perform reps to failure?

Tom Papa 17:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:59 Did they also take steroids? Did they also do these exercises, squats, deadlifts, curls, you know, to-

Tom Papa 18:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:07 Did they do all that stuff too? Yes, but that, but the water-

Tom Papa 18:10 Why aren't you a believer?

Joe Rogan 18:11 Th- this is what it's like. It's 'cause they're saying, like, no, these people, they believe that they can do these things.

Tom Papa 18:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:17 They, they, they had this vision, and they focused on this vision, and it came to fruition.

Tom Papa 18:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:22 Okay? You know what they also did? They also busted their fucking ass-

Tom Papa 18:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:26 ... and got lucky, and were in a business or career that they had some talent in.... and-

Tom Papa 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 ... figured out what that career is, and figured out how to navigate the very-

Tom Papa 18:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:38 ... weird waters of social interaction and skill acquisition and success and failure-

Tom Papa 18:45 And luck. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:45 ... and how to learn from your fa- and luck. Yeah, that's the big problem is you're dealing with complete-

Tom Papa 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 ... uh, uh, sampling bias. You're, you're only asking people that are in the mansions. Tom Papa-

Tom Papa 18:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:55 ... how did you do it?

Tom Papa 18:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:56 I mean, I see you here. You have this place. It's as big as the White House. You have a, a giant lawn. Did you, did you always know this was gonna be your reality?

Tom Papa 19:06 (laughs) I saw it in, I just put it on my vision board.

Joe Rogan 19:08 (coughs) (laughs)

Tom Papa 19:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:10 What the fuck?

Tom Papa 19:10 The pre- and the reason, and the obviously, it doesn't stick around. It be- didn't, it became a fad because all these people-

Joe Rogan 19:16 Well-

Tom Papa 19:16 ... at some point had to take the board down. Uh-

Joe Rogan 19:19 Well, and unfortunately some people died because they, um, there was a story I was reading about Oprah unfortunately, where this woman had, uh, terminal cancer.

Tom Papa 19:29 Aye.

Joe Rogan 19:30 And she, she had stage three breast cancer and just decided that through The Secret she was gonna imagine herself a healthy person.

Tom Papa 19:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:38 And then, you know, she eventually wound up dying from it because she, she didn't get treatment.

Tom Papa 19:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:44 And-

Tom Papa 19:44 I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 19:45 I mean, she, she stopped traditional- she stopped conventional medical treatment.

Tom Papa 19:51 But what part of ... So how far do you go with positive thinking?

Joe Rogan 19:57 Well-

Tom Papa 19:57 'Cause I see you as a fellow that, uh, has goals and I would think positive thinking plays into your life, so-

Joe Rogan 20:05 Well, uh, it's what does that even mean really? Like, do I think posi- I, I, I think in a positive way.

Tom Papa 20:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:13 I try to be positive.

Tom Papa 20:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:15 I, I try (sighs) but when you're trying to accomplish something, whether you're trying to (swallows) you know, get better at something like, uh, say if you're playing a game. Like what if you, let's say golf. Like say you take up golf-

Tom Papa 20:27 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... and you wanna be a really good golfer. Like you start thinking about golf. Like, "How do I get better at golf?" You have to learn. You have to pay attention to, uh, instructional videos. You have to maybe seek out coaching. You have to play some games and lose. You have to choke under pressure. You have to examine the mental game, like, "What is wrong with my mental process when I approach a shot?"

Tom Papa 20:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:48 "What is wrong with this? What is wrong with ... " And then become obsessed with the, the idea of succeeding in that.

Tom Papa 20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:55 And I think that, that can apply to everything.

Tom Papa 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 So yeah, I mean, I certainly believe in positive thinking.

Tom Papa 21:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 But this, that was like mystic nonsense.

Tom Papa 21:04 No. That tips over and it discounts all the other stuff that you have to do.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 There's something to the Law of Attraction, it i- but it is one component to this gigantic sort of spectrum of factors that have to be taken into consideration when you're trying to succeed at something.

Tom Papa 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 But positive thinking is one of them.

Tom Papa 21:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 But it's also the understanding of how to eliminate laziness, how to discipline yourself, how to write down goals-

Tom Papa 21:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:35 ... how to, how to make incremental steps towards improvement, how to recognize failure as not just the end of all your hard work but in fact the beginning of a new breakthrough because you understand like how to never do this wrong, wrong, the wrong way again-

Tom Papa 21:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 ... and the consequences of doing things wrong. It's like there's a lot of-

Tom Papa 21:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:53 ... it's a lot of factors in getting better and succeeding at things.

Tom Papa 21:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:57 And it's, they boiled it down to the easiest one, which is dreaming.

Tom Papa 22:02 Right. Right, exactly. Ex- just- just-

Joe Rogan 22:05 And that's why it sold, but Oprah sold it. I mean, she was-

Tom Papa 22:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... she was one of the big ones, man. And she was-

Tom Papa 22:11 She was all in.

Joe Rogan 22:11 ... she was fucking 50 years old at the time. I mean, this is not a young woman who is selling this. How old is Oprah now?

Tom Papa 22:18 75?

Joe Rogan 22:19 89? Is she 80?

Tom Papa 22:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:21 No. She just ran a marathon in four hours.

Narrator 22:23 She's 63. She's 63.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Did she really?

Tom Papa 22:24 She's 67?

Joe Rogan 22:26 She's 63.

Narrator 22:26 63.

Tom Papa 22:27 So ... She ran a marathon?

Joe Rogan 22:28 Yeah. So let's, let's think of when The Secret came out. I want to say that was like 2006-ish.

Tom Papa 22:36 2004.

Narrator 22:38 2006.

Joe Rogan 22:38 2006. Okay.

Tom Papa 22:39 Nice.

Joe Rogan 22:39 So 12 years ago she was f- so she was 50 years old.

Tom Papa 22:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:43 How the fuck did you not know when you're 50 years old and worth a billion dollars that that's not how it works?

Tom Papa 22:48 That it's hocus pocus.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Yeah, it's not hocus pocus.

Tom Papa 22:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:51 And to sell that to people is crazy. And that's a book that sold, I think I was reading it sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million copies.

Tom Papa 23:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Is that what is says, yeah?

Tom Papa 23:03 Geez.

Joe Rogan 23:04 That's crazy.

Tom Papa 23:04 Well, you want an easy way. You want-

Joe Rogan 23:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:06 ... something that's easy.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Right.

Tom Papa 23:07 Everybody wants you're in trouble, you're feeling whatever.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:10 And they want something to come, something come and help me.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:13 I mean, that's where religion comes from. It's just please.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Right.

Tom Papa 23:16 There's that thing inside of us-

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yeah.

Tom Papa 23:18 ... is like, "Uh, I wanna believe. If I believe, is that enough?"

Joe Rogan 23:21 It is a lot like that. Yeah. There was (laughs) one of, uh, Trump's spiritual advisors was, uh, he's got some spiritual advisor, some woman who was, uh, telling people to send her money. There was a-

Tom Papa 23:34 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 23:35 ... a se- send her money for January. There was some so- some whole article about it. But it's basically essentially the same thing. It's like the idea is that ... What is she saying? Donald Trump's spiritual advisor Paula White suggests people send her their January salary or face consequences from God.

Tom Papa 23:51 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Yes.

Tom Papa 23:53 Is that true? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:55 (laughs) She's attractive too.

Tom Papa 23:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:56 It's interesting.

Tom Papa 23:57 Is that true?

Joe Rogan 23:58 Yeah. Look at her. Bam. "I'll give you money." "What I gotta do?"

Tom Papa 24:00 All right. I'll do it.

Joe Rogan 24:01 "What I gotta do, Paula?"

Tom Papa 24:02 What do ... How much do you need?

Joe Rogan 24:04 I don't know if that's a good picture. Maybe she just looks good when she's screaming.

Tom Papa 24:07 Yeah, she looks good.

Joe Rogan 24:08 (clears throat) But, um ...

Tom Papa 24:09 That's ... Yeah, I would love-

Joe Rogan 24:10 It's-

Tom Papa 24:10 ... for some really ... I would love for the day where there's some real powerful, spiritual, uh, individual who doesn't ask for money. Who la- (laughs) who doesn't-

Joe Rogan 24:21 Well, that's not even a, a real power- powerful or spiritual individual. It's a huckster.

Tom Papa 24:25 I know. That's what I mean. Like, it would be so great if some ... Like, so you listen to some people like I watched ... I was doing some gig, and there was this Black preacher, and he was out on stage and he's talking a- and it was like he's f-... but really entertaining.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 24:38 And he's, and he had a couple nice things that he was saying. And then, "Please send me your money," and then it was just like, imagine if there, a guy showed up.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Well, there is.

Tom Papa 24:46 Who?

Joe Rogan 24:46 There's plenty of those people on Instagram.

Tom Papa 24:48 Who don't ask for dough?

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah, they're not, they're just trying to give you ... Okay, like Gary V., for instance. Gary V's whole thing is about hustling. Gary V. is like the anti-Secret.

Tom Papa 24:58 Ah.

Joe Rogan 24:58 He's anti The Secret. And, and, and when you look at, like, what Gary V. does, Gary V. is all about ... (coughs) I was sick for f- several days.

Tom Papa 25:08 I was fighting something all last week.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Joe Dispenza's coughing. Yeah, I got, I think I got the flu. I got the flu, uh, I thought I had it, um, like, left here. Um, so I'll, I'll, I'm diverting. Let me, let me just get back to this Gary V. thing.

Tom Papa 25:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:20 But with guys like him-

Tom Papa 25:21 But I wanna, I do wanna talk colds.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Right. (laughs) He sells books. So I don't know if he's the best example. He sells books.

Tom Papa 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Yeah, but-

Tom Papa 25:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:27 But he's not asking for money.

Tom Papa 25:28 Right, right, okay.

Joe Rogan 25:29 I mean, he's actually, and he's actually a guy who's, uh, he's experienced some success as an entrepreneur.

Tom Papa 25:35 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:35 And I listen to people ... (sighs) How do I say this without being mean? There's a lot of people that are giving advice online because people react well to it, because they're, they're giving advice because when they give advice, people respond to it and they say, "This is amazing." And they'll-

Tom Papa 25:55 You're the best.

Joe Rogan 25:55 ... like it and they'll, they'll give them positive feedback and love. But their advice is at least a certain percent of it is just nonsense. They're just talking.

Tom Papa 26:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:07 They're just trying to say things they've heard before or they're trying to somehow or another put together a sentence that sounds like you'll get some likes.

Tom Papa 26:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:18 You know what I mean?

Tom Papa 26:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:19 There's a lot of that.

Tom Papa 26:20 You just gotta believe, guys. You just gotta surround yourself with positive people.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Chris D'Elia makes fun of those people in a hilarious way. He's great at it.

Tom Papa 26:26 Is he? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:26 But, yeah, he's just-

Tom Papa 26:28 About comedians who do it?

Joe Rogan 26:29 Oh, not just comedians who do it, but just people who do it.

Tom Papa 26:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:32 But here's the thing. Sometimes people will say things that, that are real-

Tom Papa 26:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:36 ... and that are really inspirational.

Tom Papa 26:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:38 And that's great, too. It's just knowing, knowing horse shit.

Tom Papa 26:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:44 You gotta know horse shit.

Tom Papa 26:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:45 And a lot of people don't know where the horse shit is.

Tom Papa 26:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:48 The secret is horse shit.

Tom Papa 26:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:50 See, that's the problem. Gary V. is inspirational and motivational. I guarantee you there's a lot of people out there that have done things in their life that they might not have done because of Gary V.

Tom Papa 27:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Because he's a hustler, because he's really got a lot of energy, and he's like, "Just fucking put down your phone, you know, go out there and get things done. Sleep an hour less. Sleep a fucking hour less."

Tom Papa 27:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:12 And he'll just tell you, like, "Do this, sell that. Go." And he gives you practical advice about how to get started and get things done. It's like the opposite of The Secret, is his point.

Tom Papa 27:20 Does he hold seminars?

Joe Rogan 27:21 I'm sure Gary does shit like that.

Tom Papa 27:23 He sounds ... It sounds like Tony Robbins.

Joe Rogan 27:24 He, he sort of, but he's more like-

Tom Papa 27:27 I mean, Tony Robbins is, like, he-

Joe Rogan 27:28 Younger, more energetic hustler character. Chris D'Elia, what does this say? (laughs)

Tom Papa 27:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:33 Let's play this. Give me some volume.

Narrator 27:36 Hard work. Hard work. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:40 (laughs)

Narrator 27:40 Determination.

Joe Rogan 27:41 It says you can do anything you put your mind to, except most things.

Narrator 27:46 Perseverance.

Joe Rogan 27:48 Perseverance. (laughs) He's got an eagle on his shoulder.

Narrator 27:50 Never backing down.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Never backing down. (laughs)

Narrator 27:52 (laughs) Not stopping.

Joe Rogan 27:53 (laughs)

Narrator 27:55 Remaining focused.

Joe Rogan 27:56 (clears throat) Yeah.

Narrator 27:58 Never quitting.

Tom Papa 27:59 It's so funny.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Meanwhile, he does all those things, as well.

Narrator 28:02 Driving desire.

Joe Rogan 28:03 This is from his last, uh, special. Meanwhile, he works hard.

Tom Papa 28:05 It's really funny.

Joe Rogan 28:06 The funny thing is, Chris actually does work hard.

Tom Papa 28:08 I literally-

Joe Rogan 28:09 He's-

Tom Papa 28:09 Well, yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 28:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:10 ... that's the kind of... Yeah. I mean, Kevin Hart now has moved into that realm.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Realm.

Tom Papa 28:15 He has so many people listening to him.

Joe Rogan 28:18 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:18 And all of a sudden, they just, you know... He's ... I love him. He's hilarious. He's a really good guy. I've known him for (laughs) a long time. But now he's got so many followers and he has so many people listening that he's starting to do that. It's, he's not (laughs) just telling jokes. He's doing crunches and telling you you've gotta believe and-

Joe Rogan 28:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:35 ... and I said to my daughter, my daughter was like, "Is he a comedian?" She asked me (laughs) when she was showing the thing. I said, "Yeah, he's really funny." I said-

Joe Rogan 28:42 Well-

Tom Papa 28:42 "But this is a different thing." I said, "Do you think I could make videos and just tell people to live better? Th- would they even like that?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:48 No, Dad. (laughs) Well, I'm guilty of that, too. I've done that, too. But if I, it's just, there's things that you know that you've experienced and that you've done that you want people to know about. But it's not everything I say. The problem with some people-

Tom Papa 29:03 Well, that's the key.

Joe Rogan 29:03 ... it's all day you're inspiring people? That's all you fucking do?

Tom Papa 29:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:07 All you do-

Tom Papa 29:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:08 ... all you do is give out advice.

Tom Papa 29:10 Advice, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:10 That's it. What do you do?

Tom Papa 29:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Do you just advice give?

Tom Papa 29:14 No, there's a-

Joe Rogan 29:14 That's it.

Tom Papa 29:14 ... there's a thing about, there's a thing about Kevin, there's a thing about you, that you watch somebody, they're interesting, you like them, and they're getting shit done. You're like, "I'll take advice from this guy. I'll, I'll, I'll hear what he has to say." There is that element. It's when it becomes-

Joe Rogan 29:29 Bullshit.

Tom Papa 29:30 ... bullshit.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 29:30 When it becomes, "No, you have to listen to me because I have all the answers."

Joe Rogan 29:34 Right.

Tom Papa 29:34 "And God talks to me," and that kind of stuff.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Well, there's songs that, there's love songs that you hear that hit you and you go, "Wow." Like, "Why does that s- why does that resonate so, so much?"

Tom Papa 29:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 "Why is that so profound?" And then there's songs where you're like, "Shut this-"

Tom Papa 29:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 "... stupid fucking nonsense down."

Tom Papa 29:53 Right? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 It's like there's this pop musicy-

Tom Papa 29:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:56 ... plastic-

Tom Papa 29:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:58 ... hollow, empty bullshit that also has a lot of those same words in it, right? Like, what is the difference?

Tom Papa 30:07 And that millions of people like.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah. Yeah, but they're dumb as fuck, those people.

Tom Papa 30:10 Well, that's (laughs) but it's the same thing. You've got all these people that still buy into the horse shit.

Joe Rogan 30:16 Yeah.

Tom Papa 30:17 ... there is a big herd of people out there that you can if you just start doing ... If Chris just stopped being a comedian and started posting videos like that all the time-

Joe Rogan 30:26 Oh, he would kick ass.

Tom Papa 30:26 ... he'd get followers.

Joe Rogan 30:27 Well, if he really wanted to, if D'Elia really wanted to-

Tom Papa 30:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... be an inspirational guy. He's a handsome fellow, he's got a great voice-

Tom Papa 30:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:35 ... he's got a lot of energy.

Tom Papa 30:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 He's, he's, you know, he's dynamic. He could do that.

Tom Papa 30:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 He's fit.

Tom Papa 30:40 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:41 He could do something like that if he wanted to.

Tom Papa 30:43 Yeah. Kevin, the same thing.

Joe Rogan 30:44 The things is, though, Chris can do other things.

Tom Papa 30:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:47 A lot of these inspirational fucks, they really can't do things.

Tom Papa 30:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:51 They're not doing anything.

Tom Papa 30:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:53 They're not producing any great works.

Tom Papa 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:56 They're not, they're not doing any interesting art. They're not creating any interesting music, they're not making any funny comedy.

Tom Papa 31:02 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:03 What they're doing is just trying to, like, "You know, there's a lot of people out there that don't think they can do it, but you can. It's in you."

Tom Papa 31:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:10 "It's a flower that must be watered with the love of the gods." And like ...

Tom Papa 31:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Oh, you cunts.

Tom Papa 31:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:16 There's so many of them. They're overwhelming.

Tom Papa 31:18 They are.

Joe Rogan 31:19 But ... So their business is not getting money from you, necessarily. Their business is in you paying attention to them, and then as you pay attention to them and to their social media, their social media page grows, and then they can do, like, speeches at these ... Have you ever seen those self-help conferences? Like-

Tom Papa 31:39 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Some people go on boats. They get ... They go, go on a cruise ship.

Tom Papa 31:42 Yeah, the Tony Robbins stuff.

Joe Rogan 31:43 And everyone but on the cruise ship is just giving different kinds of advice.

Tom Papa 31:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:46 You know?

Tom Papa 31:46 Speeches, and everyone, "Get in here. We're gonna have a session." And, "Rah!"

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah. Well-

Tom Papa 31:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 ... see, he's-

Tom Papa 31:51 And, you know, and it does help people.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Yes.

Tom Papa 31:52 Like, there are people that they do help.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yes. True. Some of it works.

Tom Papa 31:57 I mean, if you're, if you're lost and you're just, you don't know what's going on and you're g- been a loser for a while, and you take a couple of his tips-

Joe Rogan 32:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:03 ... and you start working and writing shit down and going in f- have some self-confidence, it can-

Joe Rogan 32:08 There's-

Tom Papa 32:08 ... help your life.

Joe Rogan 32:09 But there's some of these guys that all they're doing is just trying to, like, figure out a way to give people advice when they have never done shit themselves.

Tom Papa 32:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 And they, they're not ... It's not worth listening to.

Tom Papa 32:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:22 But yet, they're there.

Tom Papa 32:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 And they're, they're ... But, but is that any-

Tom Papa 32:26 But in a way-

Joe Rogan 32:26 ... but is that any worse than an open mic-er?

Tom Papa 32:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Is it? I mean, if someone-

Tom Papa 32:32 No. Or-

Joe Rogan 32:32 What I wanna do is ... (coughs) I'm sorry. If someone says ... What I wanna do is I wanna become a motivational speaker, I wanna really help people, I wanna really touch people, but right now I kinda suck at it. It's like, you don't, you don't just start out as Tony Robbins.

Tom Papa 32:44 No, that's right. Yeah, you're just starting. And it's like a trainer. It's like a b-

Joe Rogan 32:47 Right.

Tom Papa 32:47 A boxing trainer's never really won a fight. It could just be, like, an old guy who's just ... But, but-

Joe Rogan 32:52 Some of those guys, m- most of them, in fact, are former fighters.

Tom Papa 32:55 B- Are they?

Joe Rogan 32:56 Yeah. It's very rare that someone's a boxing trainer-

Tom Papa 32:59 Pacquiao's guy?

Joe Rogan 33:01 What? Freddie Roach? Yeah.

Tom Papa 33:02 Yeah, was he-

Joe Rogan 33:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 33:02 ... a good boxer?

Joe Rogan 33:03 Yeah, he was a famous professional.

Tom Papa 33:05 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 33:05 Yeah, he's got Parkinson's because of it.

Tom Papa 33:07 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah, he's got trauma-related Parkinson's Disease-

Tom Papa 33:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:10 ... from his time in the, in the ring. He fought-

Tom Papa 33:12 Angelo Dundee?

Joe Rogan 33:13 He fought, um, uh, sh- shit, uh ... What the fuck's his name? The Puerto Rican guy.

Tom Papa 33:21 Hagler.

Joe Rogan 33:22 Stop. (laughs)

Tom Papa 33:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:23 Hector Camacho.

Tom Papa 33:24 Oh, Camacho?

Joe Rogan 33:25 Yeah, he fought Camacho, he fought a lot of-

Tom Papa 33:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:27 ... like, big name guys.

Tom Papa 33:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:29 He, he was a big deal. Like, in terms of, like, journeyman fighters.

Tom Papa 33:33 All right.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Freddie, Freddie Roach was ... And his, his brother, Pepa Roach, was also a known guy in the world of boxing. Yeah, Freddie was legit.

Tom Papa 33:41 He was a legit guy?

Joe Rogan 33:42 Oh, yeah. He was a legit pro.

Tom Papa 33:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 100%.

Tom Papa 33:44 So are there, are there trainers that just train people that, they just became trainers and-

Joe Rogan 33:48 Yes.

Tom Papa 33:48 ... weren't boxers?

Joe Rogan 33:49 I mean, they, they, they definitely have some experience.

Tom Papa 33:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Usually they have some amateur fights or they ... It's very, very rare-

Tom Papa 33:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:57 ... that someone becomes a respected boxing trainer without having any competition experience.

Tom Papa 34:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:03 It just doesn't seem to make any sense. Some of them, they realize early on that they're better at coaching than they are at competing, whether it's because of-

Tom Papa 34:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:12 ... physical dynamics or whether it's, uh, you know, they just don't like getting hit.

Tom Papa 34:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You know?

Tom Papa 34:17 They know the limits.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Or some people just are really good at teaching others.

Tom Papa 34:20 ... Y- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:21 You know? That's a, that's a weird thing too. In the world of jujitsu, it's very common, because, uh, in jujitsu there's a lot of people that get really good at understanding and, um ... Like one of the guys that's gonna be here next week, John Danaher, is world-famous for it.

Tom Papa 34:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 He's very famous for being, like, one of the greatest coaches in jujitsu of all time, but as ... Boy, as far as I know, very little experience in terms of actual competition.

Tom Papa 34:46 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 34:47 You know, but he's-

Tom Papa 34:47 But he's a good teacher.

Joe Rogan 34:48 ... as a coach-

Tom Papa 34:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 ... uh, unparalleled. He's c-

Tom Papa 34:50 Again-

Joe Rogan 34:51 He's wi- like, universally regarded as one of the great coaches alive.

Tom Papa 34:55 Wow, that's impressive.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yeah.

Tom Papa 34:57 I got my 12-year-old a, uh, a heavy bag for-

Joe Rogan 35:00 Oh, yeah?

Tom Papa 35:00 ... Christmas. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:01 You should, uh-

Tom Papa 35:02 She's wrapping her hands. She's got gloves.

Joe Rogan 35:03 Teach ... Get someone to teach her how to do it correctly for you?

Tom Papa 35:06 Yeah, my buddy Matt's coming over to-

Joe Rogan 35:07 Oh, okay.

Tom Papa 35:07 He's a trainer. He worked under Angelo Dundee for a while-

Joe Rogan 35:11 Oh.

Tom Papa 35:11 ... and opened his own gym. My good buddy-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Okay.

Tom Papa 35:12 ... Matt Bamonte.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Cool.

Tom Papa 35:14 And he's gonna come, uh, teach her on Thursday.

Joe Rogan 35:16 That's good.

Tom Papa 35:17 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 35:18 It's a good way to get out aggression, too.

Tom Papa 35:20 That's why I got for her.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:21 She would just get angry. She'd be doing schoolwork and be like-

Joe Rogan 35:24 At you?

Tom Papa 35:24 ... "This is bullshit."

Joe Rogan 35:25 (laughs)

Tom Papa 35:26 And I'm like ... And she's like, "I wanna b- I wanna punch something."

Joe Rogan 35:28 Whoa.

Tom Papa 35:28 She's, she started, like, punching pillows once in a while. So now I got her a bag.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Your ... W- how much of you is Italian?

Tom Papa 35:35 Um, all of it's Italian except for my one grandfather was German.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Angry people.

Tom Papa 35:41 The Germans or the Italians?

Joe Rogan 35:42 Both.

Tom Papa 35:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:43 Angry, but mostly-

Tom Papa 35:44 Well, Sicilian-

Joe Rogan 35:44 ... Italian. Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:45 But Sicilian is the dominant part.

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:47 There's a little temper there.

Joe Rogan 35:48 Angry, angry people.

Tom Papa 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:49 It's in her genes.

Tom Papa 35:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:51 She wants to fucking feed knuckle sandwiches to people.

Tom Papa 35:53 (laughs) She really does.

Joe Rogan 35:54 (laughs)

Tom Papa 35:54 She's, like, this beautiful 12-year-old girl that just wants to punch.

Joe Rogan 35:58 (laughs)

Tom Papa 35:58 (laughs) My sister's that way too.

Joe Rogan 36:00 I stopped dating Italian girls when I was 21.

Tom Papa 36:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:02 The last Italian girl I dated took a swing at me. I was like, "Stop. I'm good."

Tom Papa 36:06 (laughs) Did you really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 36:08 Did you deserve it?

Joe Rogan 36:09 Nope, but I saw it coming. I was like, I was like, "This is ... I can't believe this is happening. She's actually trying to punch me."

Tom Papa 36:16 (laughs) "She's gonna punch me right in the face."

Joe Rogan 36:17 "She's gonna fucking punch me." Like, I saw her, her shoulder pull back. I'm like, "There's no way this is actually happening."

Tom Papa 36:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:22 You know? It's just ...

Tom Papa 36:23 Yeah. No, they'll-... because-

Joe Rogan 36:24 I was fighting at the time, so I was used to people punching me.

Tom Papa 36:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:28 So, as she's pulling her shoulder back, I'm like, "This can't be really happening."

Tom Papa 36:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:31 "I don't believe this is happening. Oh, my God, it's happening."

Tom Papa 36:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:34 And I had to tuck under-

Tom Papa 36:35 Oh, man. It's funny.

Joe Rogan 36:38 But I think she just wanted attention. I don't think she actually ... I think she's pretty sure that it wasn't gonna land, you know, that if she threw a punch at me, that I was just gonna d-

Tom Papa 36:46 'Cause if she-

Joe Rogan 36:46 ... 'cause if she really wanted to hurt me, she'd fucking hit me when I wasn't looking, you know?

Tom Papa 36:49 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:50 That's what people do. They don't just look right at you and, "You motherfucker." But then again-

Tom Papa 36:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:54 ... when people are in the height of some sort of fucking Sicilian love rage-

Tom Papa 36:59 (laughs) Right, exactly. You don't wanna mess with that.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:02 No.

Joe Rogan 37:02 The screaming and the yelling and the throwing things around. That's also very East Coast.

Tom Papa 37:07 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:07 I've talked about this ad nauseum, but I really believe that that's the echoes of those fucking barbarians that came over on boats from Europe-

Tom Papa 37:15 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... and didn't even know what America looked like.

Tom Papa 37:18 No.

Joe Rogan 37:18 They didn't even have a photo to look at and these fucking cave people-

Tom Papa 37:22 Nothing.

Joe Rogan 37:22 ... just pulled up on rafts and started fucking immediately.

Tom Papa 37:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:25 They started baking bread, rolling up pasta, and banging each other.

Tom Papa 37:29 (laughs) Hey, I got bread for both of you.

Joe Rogan 37:31 You brought ... Oh, you have two, you have two loaves. You're an animal. (coughs) Tom Papa, you're-

Tom Papa 37:36 There you go.

Joe Rogan 37:37 ... a God amongst men.

Tom Papa 37:38 There you go. This is for you.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Do you, do you eat the bread?

Tom Papa 37:40 I feel bad, I've never given you the bread.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Do you? No.

Tom Papa 37:41 I never gave Jamie the bread. I'm like, "He's probably gonna appreciate it more."

Joe Rogan 37:44 How long will this stay good? Because Sunday's my cheat day.

Tom Papa 37:47 Sunday?

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:48 You'll be good. We're al-

Joe Rogan 37:49 Or should I just like-

Tom Papa 37:50 ... Tuesday.

Joe Rogan 37:50 ... postpone my cheat day or, or move it to today?

Tom Papa 37:53 Uh, if you keep it in paper, it, it'll ... We'll have to toast it up.

Joe Rogan 37:57 What's the best way though, to eat it today is the best way?

Tom Papa 37:59 To eat it today or tomorrow, actually.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Okay.

Tom Papa 38:01 Tomorrow, Thursday.

Joe Rogan 38:02 Tomorrow's better?

Tom Papa 38:03 T- yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Why's it better?

Tom Papa 38:04 'Cause it just came out.

Joe Rogan 38:06 Ooh. So, it's not good right away.

Tom Papa 38:08 It is, if, say, if you want that warmth, it is.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Ah.

Tom Papa 38:10 But really, it's, it gets even better a day after.

Joe Rogan 38:14 You know, that's the case with, uh, tuna. I did not know that. I always thought that, if you bought sushi-

Tom Papa 38:19 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 38:19 ... that you're supposed to get fresh sushi.

Tom Papa 38:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Like, they just pulled it out of the water, they're gonna slice it up for you right now. But no, if you go to, like, a real master sushi maker, that sushi sits.

Tom Papa 38:28 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah.

Tom Papa 38:30 For how long?

Joe Rogan 38:30 Like, a fucking week sometimes.

Tom Papa 38:31 What?

Joe Rogan 38:32 I know.

Tom Papa 38:33 Just the tuna?

Joe Rogan 38:34 I watched some, uh, documentary on some sushi master.

Tom Papa 38:37 Oh, the Hiro?

Joe Rogan 38:38 Yeah. No, it wasn't that.

Tom Papa 38:39 No?

Joe Rogan 38:39 It wasn't that guy. But that guy ... That's a great one too.

Tom Papa 38:41 That's really good.

Joe Rogan 38:42 J- I was like, somebody d- what we're talking about is, uh, Jiro, is that how you say his name?

Tom Papa 38:47 Hiro or Jiro?

Joe Rogan 38:48 Is it Hiro?

Narrator 38:49 Hiro Sushi.

Tom Papa 38:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:50 Jiro or Hiro? How do you say it, though? Do you know?

Tom Papa 38:53 I thought it was Hiro.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Uh, but it's, it's, it's spelled with a J.

Tom Papa 38:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Um, ch- let's say Jiro, Jiro Dreams of Sushi. I was like, "I'm not gonna watch a fucking documentary-"

Tom Papa 39:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:00 ... "on a guy who makes sushi."

Tom Papa 39:01 Cutting fish.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Cut the fish, smoosh the rice up.

Tom Papa 39:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:04 You're done, dude. Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:05 Okay. Give me some edamame, get this party started.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah. This ain't like some complicated casserole that you're putting together, you know?

Tom Papa 39:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:12 But, but wow.

Tom Papa 39:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:13 You, you watch it and you go, "Oh, okay, I'm ignorant."

Tom Papa 39:16 This guy's an artist.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yeah, there's way more to this.

Tom Papa 39:18 Oh, my God. His whole soul is in it.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:20 And it, and it comes out. It's ... Yeah, amazing.

Joe Rogan 39:23 And his tiny ass little restaurant that's about the size of this room.

Tom Papa 39:26 Yeah, no interest in getting bigger.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Nope.

Tom Papa 39:28 No, no franchising.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Nope.

Tom Papa 39:29 Just doing this.

Joe Rogan 39:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:31 So well-

Joe Rogan 39:32 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:32 ... that people are gonna c- are gonna come.

Joe Rogan 39:34 There's something to that, man.

Tom Papa 39:35 Oh, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:36 I- m- it's doing one thing really well.

Joe Rogan 39:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:39 My God, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 39:41 There's so- there's definitely something to that. There's something to especially, like, the, the mindset of every day trying to learn how to make that egg dish perfect.

Tom Papa 39:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:51 That one egg dish-

Tom Papa 39:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:52 ... that, that one guy said he worked on for a year.

Tom Papa 39:55 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 39:56 A fucking year on eggs.

Tom Papa 39:57 Yeah. Ev- all the ... Just g- completely doing it over and over and over.

Joe Rogan 40:02 (laughs)

Tom Papa 40:02 My bread thing is not like a ... It's probably like your bow thing. The bread thing, it's like, you do just start to focus on this one thing-

Joe Rogan 40:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:10 ... and trying to do it well, and you just start to get ... It becomes a part of you. You're starting-

Joe Rogan 40:14 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:14 ... to put yourself into it. It's not just making bread, it's ch- j- it is a practice.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Hmm.

Tom Papa 40:20 It is something that, for a couple of years, I've just kind of gone down that wormhole.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:26 It's a good thing.

Joe Rogan 40:27 The wormhole.

Tom Papa 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:29 You know-

Tom Papa 40:29 Doing that one thing. I really ... I feel like that sometimes with, with standup. It's like, we have all these other things that are always going on and pulling us in different directions and stuff. And it's like, if you could just focus purely on just ... If that was the only th- if you weren't taking any phone calls on anything else, you weren't podcasting, you weren't writing scripts, you weren't appearing on whatever, like, would that make a difference? Like, would you be-

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yes and no. 'Cause I think that w- standup requires a certain amount of dedication.

Tom Papa 41:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 And a certain amount of time on stage, but I think it also requires a certain amount of living.

Tom Papa 41:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:07 I think you need to do other things.

Tom Papa 41:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:09 And although podcasting seems like a job and a distraction, one thing it is unquestionably is, is exploration ... It's an exploration of ideas.

Tom Papa 41:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:21 At an unprecedented level.

Tom Papa 41:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:23 Like, you're, you're exploring ideas without looking at your phone, without talk- just you and I are talking-

Tom Papa 41:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 ... for three hours.

Tom Papa 41:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:31 When does that ever happen in life?

Tom Papa 41:32 Yeah. No, it doesn't.

Joe Rogan 41:34 There's a lot of ideas that I come up with through standup or, or in standup that came out of podcasts, for sure.

Tom Papa 41:40 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Yeah, a lot.

Tom Papa 41:41 Yeah, well, y- yeah, your mind's active.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Yeah. So, I think that that's-

Tom Papa 41:46 Yeah, and writing's similar. Writing's the, the-

Joe Rogan 41:48 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 41:48 ... same kind of a thing.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Yeah. But I also think doing stuff is important too, not just the actual sit down talking part of the podcast-

Tom Papa 41:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:56 ... but actually going places.

Tom Papa 41:58 Being active.

Joe Rogan 41:59 It's ... You have, you have to experience things.

Tom Papa 42:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:01 You have to watch documentaries. You have to go to a museum. You have to go see things. You gotta go-

Tom Papa 42:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:06 ... talk to people. You gotta go on adventures, gotta go travel, you gotta-

Tom Papa 42:09 Yeah, it's filling up the well.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Yeah. There's ... You have to think of your brain almost like you're CrossFit. Not CrossFit, uh, what's that? What's that word where you, uh ...... cross-training? I guess-

Tom Papa 42:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:22 ... that's what I'm looking for. When you're doing a bunch of different kinds of things-

Tom Papa 42:25 Multitasking.

Joe Rogan 42:26 ... that will h- ... No, no, no. Different types of athlet- athletic activities that will enhance your sport.

Tom Papa 42:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Like, say, if you play hockey.

Tom Papa 42:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:33 You don't just do hockey, you also are involved in the box jumps. You're doing a lot of, uh, you know, sprinting up hills.

Tom Papa 42:39 That's a good way to look at it.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 These ... So, these ... All these things enhance this one activity and it's not just all you have to do is just skate all day and you'll become the best skater.

Tom Papa 42:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:49 Well, you may be. Or you could get better at the motions of skating by strengthening your legs with weight lifting or-

Tom Papa 42:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:57 ... by doing this, and you can accelerate your curve by doing yoga, or you could, you know-

Tom Papa 43:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 I think that that ... there is something to that with comedy, at least for, for me.

Tom Papa 43:06 Yeah. No, I agree.

Joe Rogan 43:07 For me, it helps.

Tom Papa 43:07 I mean, when I'm really actively writing other stuff, whether it's scripts or whatever, uh, my writing for stand-up improves.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Yeah.

Tom Papa 43:17 It just does.

Joe Rogan 43:17 It's a muscle.

Tom Papa 43:17 Yeah, yeah, and reading, by the way.

Joe Rogan 43:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 43:19 Reading, writing stuff, it- it all feeds the act. When you- when you then sh- shift your focus over here back to the act, you're better because of that stuff. But I do sometimes think, like the sushi guy, like, but what if the output was only geared towards that? The input I get doing all that stuff, but would there be a difference?

Joe Rogan 43:43 Maybe. I mean, maybe there's something to that. Maybe.

Tom Papa 43:46 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 43:47 I don't know anybody who does it that way, though.

Tom Papa 43:50 (smacks lips) Well ...

Joe Rogan 43:51 Maybe it takes-

Tom Papa 43:52 Reagan?

Joe Rogan 43:53 Yeah, but Reagan plays golf and drinks and does a lot of other shit.

Tom Papa 43:56 But he's not creating other art. He's not-

Joe Rogan 43:59 But he-

Tom Papa 43:59 ... writing scripts. He's not-

Joe Rogan 44:01 He also doesn't write right.

Tom Papa 44:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:03 He writes, like, kinda in his head-

Tom Papa 44:05 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 44:05 ... and then goes on stage and works on stuff.

Tom Papa 44:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Yeah.

Tom Papa 44:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Which I'm torn on. I mean, I know it's tot- ... It's, uh, very effective. Some people do it amazingly well and that's how they've created incredible works of art, but I never give that advice. Whenever anyone asks me, I say, "You should do both." You should write down things and you should write on the computer. You should write or ... however you like to write. But you should also fuck around on stage. You should do both.

Tom Papa 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 That's what I think.

Tom Papa 44:34 Yeah. No, I do too. I can't just g- show up on stage and hope it's gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Well, there's some ideas that I've had that I'll, like, literally, like, have in my car, and then I'll bounce's em around by myself a little bit and not having ever written 'em down, I'll go on stage and then it'll just catch fire.

Tom Papa 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 And then it'll become a bit. And there's some bits that have made it to specials that I've never even written down.

Tom Papa 44:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:57 I just knew how to do 'em because I did 'em a bunch of times and-

Tom Papa 45:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:01 But then m- most of 'em not, though. Most of 'em not.

Tom Papa 45:04 Or at least ... I always feel like I'll bring an idea up on stage that hasn't been written down yet. There's something there, b- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 There's something going on, but then I bring it back to the shop and will play with it.

Tom Papa 45:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:19 And then, then it becomes this back and forth.

Tom Papa 45:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:22 Like, here's one example. This is a bit that I br- ... I bounced around. I was thinking about in the car and then I brought it onto stage in a completed form and it never really changed.

Tom Papa 45:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:34 It was a bit about, uh, Bigfoot.

Tom Papa 45:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:36 I said, "Here's (laughs) what you don't find-"

Tom Papa 45:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:39 "... when you go looking for Bigfoot-"

Tom Papa 45:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:41 "... black people."

Tom Papa 45:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:42 Like, you're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot.

Tom Papa 45:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:47 You just find hordes of unfuckable white dudes out camping. That's what you find. (laughs)

Tom Papa 45:53 Right. (laughs) Yeah, that's fun.

Joe Rogan 45:54 But that's ... But that's who goes looking for Bigfoot. You're not ... You don't find ... It's not a-

Tom Papa 45:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:59 ... African American pastime.

Tom Papa 46:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:01 And that, that bit came out in the car.

Tom Papa 46:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:04 I made myself laugh-

Tom Papa 46:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:06 ... and then it never changed. It just became that. Uh, I don't think I ever wrote it down anywhere.

Tom Papa 46:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 And it made it into my 2014 Comedy Central special.

Tom Papa 46:16 That's a little gift.

Joe Rogan 46:17 I never ... Yeah, I never-

Tom Papa 46:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:18 Just ... But that's rare. Those are the rare ones.

Tom Papa 46:21 It is rare. But, man, it'd be nice if they all came that way.

Joe Rogan 46:24 (laughs)

Tom Papa 46:24 (laughs) Wouldn't it?

Joe Rogan 46:25 There've been a few.

Tom Papa 46:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:26 There's been a few. They're usually ... For some reason, they're one-liners too, like that.

Tom Papa 46:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:30 You know? It's, uh-

Tom Papa 46:30 He's so funny. It's just complete.

Joe Rogan 46:32 Yeah. Some of 'em are just ... They just form themselves complete.

Tom Papa 46:35 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:37 It's just, uh-

Tom Papa 46:38 Those are best too when it makes you laugh.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Yeah.

Tom Papa 46:41 Like, there's things that you've just- think in your head, "Yeah, that's pretty funny. That is a funny thing." And then you bring it up on stage and it becomes really funny, but when it really just truly makes you laugh-

Joe Rogan 46:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 46:51 ... then you n- ... It's such a ... That's great.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Yeah, it is great when there's something that i- ... it's-

Tom Papa 46:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:57 It just-

Tom Papa 46:57 Yeah, it just-

Joe Rogan 46:58 It clicks to the point where you just start giggling-

Tom Papa 47:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:00 ... and you just want to get the fuck outta there.

Tom Papa 47:02 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Those are my favorite kinda jokes.

Tom Papa 47:04 Keep ... Yeah, because it's ... That's what ... That's why you start making people laugh as a kid i- in the first place.

Joe Rogan 47:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 47:10 It's just having fun. And sometimes as an adult, you've got all this other stuff in your head and it's like you do have to kind of remind yourself, "This is fun. This is silly shit."

Joe Rogan 47:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 47:19 (laughs) I- ... This should be giggle enjoyable. You know?

Joe Rogan 47:23 Yeah, it should be.

Tom Papa 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 It should be.

Tom Papa 47:26 S- Sometimes it can be ... feel like, you know? Because it comes out of writing, the other stuff that does come out of writing ... Writing can be a grind. Writing is-

Joe Rogan 47:33 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 47:33 ... insular. It's by yourself. You're just in there a- alone.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 47:37 Doing ... It's not this joyful place most of the time. You're not at the ... You're not writing like-

Joe Rogan 47:42 But it's not painful. See, that's the mi-

Tom Papa 47:44 It's not painful, but it's-

Joe Rogan 47:45 There's-

Tom Papa 47:45 But it is a practice that is different than just being with your buddies talking about Bigfoot.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Yes.

Tom Papa 47:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah, that's ... And tho- those are the fun ones, right? The Bigfoot ones are the ones that come outta nowhere with no effort and they kill.

Tom Papa 47:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:58 And you're like, "I got this for free."

Tom Papa 47:59 "Hey." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:59 "Yeah, yay." It's like you got some crazy skateboard that you're not worried about damaging-

Tom Papa 48:04 (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 48:04 ... 'cause you didn't work on it for a- 100 years.

Tom Papa 48:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 You know?

Tom Papa 48:07 No, writing's not painful, but there is a thing ... There is a mental part where you ... If you're ... If you ever, like, put it down for a while and don't do it-

Joe Rogan 48:16 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 48:17 ... it's like you gotta get your head back into the space of doing it. That could be a little painful.

Joe Rogan 48:21 Right. But why is that hard?

Tom Papa 48:22 ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 48:23 It is, but I don't know what ... Like, do you ... Have you ever read, um, Steven Pressfield's book, The War of Art?

Tom Papa 48:29 No.

Joe Rogan 48:29 It's excellent. It's so good that I bought stacks of it and I used to hand it out to people on the podcast.

Tom Papa 48:35 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah, because I think most people ... Like, when you say ... Like, if someone says ... Like: "What's the difference between guys who get things done and guys who go- don't get things done?"

Tom Papa 48:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:45 This sounds so stupid and simple, but the people that get things done, do things.

Tom Papa 48:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:51 They actually do it. They sit down and do it.

Tom Papa 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:53 And there's something about the people that don't get things done that stops them from doing that. Like, what is it? And Pressfield calls it resistance.

Tom Papa 49:01 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:02 And, eh, what he says is that you have to, you have to overcome resistance because that's what professionals do. You sit down because you, you have affirmed that you are a pro. And you sit down and you go over what you are going to do. This is what I do.

Tom Papa 49:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:18 I am a professional. I write.

Tom Papa 49:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:20 And I'm gonna sit down and I'm going to write and I'm going to summon the muse. And the me- and he ... Whether the muse is a real thing or not-

Tom Papa 49:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... he treats it as it's, as it's a real thing.

Tom Papa 49:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:29 And the concept is that you are gonna summon this thing that you call upon to endow you with creativity. And that-

Tom Papa 49:36 By doing the work.

Joe Rogan 49:37 By doing the work.

Tom Papa 49:38 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Yeah. And that-

Tom Papa 49:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 That overcoming this resistance is the war of art. And, um ...

Tom Papa 49:43 Yeah. That's-

Joe Rogan 49:44 You know.

Tom Papa 49:44 And then what is the resistance then?

Joe Rogan 49:47 That's the question. It's like-

Tom Papa 49:48 Your negative thoughts, really.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Well, it's, it's not just negative thoughts, it's resisting work. It's, it's not negative in the se- It's like-

Tom Papa 49:56 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:56 ... it's weird. There ... You're like, uh, something's po- stopping you from succeeding.

Tom Papa 50:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:01 Something's stopping you from, from pushing forward and putting down those ideas.

Tom Papa 50:07 You want the easy.

Joe Rogan 50:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 50:08 You wanna just sit on the couch.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 50:10 Like in my office, I have a couch and I have a desk.

Joe Rogan 50:13 Uh-huh.

Tom Papa 50:13 And the couch, I s- (laughs) you know-

Joe Rogan 50:16 Nothing gets done on that couch. (laughs)

Tom Papa 50:17 Nothing gets done on the couch. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:19 (laughs)

Tom Papa 50:19 Really.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 50:20 It's, it's, it's about sitting there. There was this great, uh, quote from this Israeli writer, who I ... Every time I say the quote, I say, I always forget what his name was. And I should know it because I use the quote so often. But he says that writing, uh, the job of being a writer is the same as being a shopkeeper. And it's your job to go and open the shop every day.

Joe Rogan 50:42 Yes.

Tom Papa 50:42 And some days, nothing happens. Some day you're just sitting in the shop like an idiot behind the desk and nobody's there. And then some days, the shop is f- buzzing with action and activity and people in and out and stuff is happening. But all of those days when it's really busy and active does not happen-

Joe Rogan 51:00 Mm.

Tom Papa 51:01 ... unless you open the shop every day.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:03 That's such an easy way for my brain to kind of think of it.

Joe Rogan 51:07 That's a brilliant way of putting it.

Tom Papa 51:08 Just go and sit down at the place where you do the work and start doing the work. You may not be great. That's not up to you-

Joe Rogan 51:15 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:15 ... if it's going to be great. It's up to you whether or not you sit down and start working.

Joe Rogan 51:20 Have you ever read Stephen King's On Writing?

Tom Papa 51:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:23 That's great.

Tom Papa 51:23 That was a good one.

Joe Rogan 51:24 That's, uh ... Those are my two go-to books-

Tom Papa 51:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:26 ... when I'm, uh, feeling like I need something to recharge my 42-

Tom Papa 51:30 That would be a good one to go back to and read.

Joe Rogan 51:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:33 I read that once, like a long time ago. And, uh, his just thing of you just ... Like what you're saying, you just have to do it. You just have to do it.

Joe Rogan 51:42 He's right. Y- I mean, eh, there's, there's days that I'll go and I'll write for fucking hours and literally get nothing out of it. There's nothing there.

Tom Papa 51:51 Nothing?

Joe Rogan 51:52 Nothing. It's all bullshit. And-

Tom Papa 51:53 Nothing?

Joe Rogan 51:54 And if you judged yourself by that, you'd go like, "God, I'm a fucking terrible writer."

Tom Papa 51:58 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:59 You're like-

Tom Papa 52:00 You're just like, "Wow, I stink."

Joe Rogan 52:01 And then one day, you'll just sit down and then you have your next 10 minutes. You're like, "Oh, boy, there's something here."

Tom Papa 52:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:09 "I got here ... I got something here. I got sparks. Ooh," some-

Tom Papa 52:11 Yeah, because you showed up.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Speaking of sparks, did you hear about this fucking bird that they found that starts fires?

Tom Papa 52:19 No.

Joe Rogan 52:19 They found a hawk that picks up-

Tom Papa 52:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:22 ... burning embers and sticks that are on fire, and s- flies them across rivers and creeks to start the fires on the other side so that it could force, uh, game animals to run away.

Tom Papa 52:35 Wow. Brilliant.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Look at this, birds of prey are starting fires deliberately.

Tom Papa 52:40 (laughs) Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Kites, kites and falcon ... I didn't know kite was a bird. Kites and falcons are intentionally dropping smoldering twigs to smoke out mice and insects in Australia. Jesus Christ.

Tom Papa 52:52 Geez Louise.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Researchers have compiled a study of reports of wild birds spreading fires. They believe the birds carry these burning twigs to unburnt parts of the bush and the birds drop them in a bid to smoke out prey, blah, blah, blah.

Tom Papa 53:06 They also smoke, uh, three packs a day.

Joe Rogan 53:09 What does it say? The researchers said-

Tom Papa 53:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:10 ... birds could be-

Tom Papa 53:11 Fucking joke.

Joe Rogan 53:11 ... the third force capable of starting bush fires. That's incredible. There's-

Tom Papa 53:17 It's clever.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah, they're so ... They're so irresponsible, these fucks.

Tom Papa 53:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:21 They don't give a shit about fires.

Tom Papa 53:23 They don't care.

Joe Rogan 53:23 They fly away. They're like, "Well, I'll fly where the fire isn't."

Tom Papa 53:25 I got a mouse.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Stupid. Eh, I don't give a fuck. (laughs)

Tom Papa 53:27 Some- (laughs) The whole neighborhood's burnt down, but he got a mouse snack. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:32 (laughs) Yeah, they're such assholes.

Tom Papa 53:35 Geez. What douche bags.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Did you see that, um, chicken that, uh, the researchers created that accidentally somehow or another through when they, they put it together, um, had the face of a dinosaur? Have you seen this?

Tom Papa 53:48 No.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Yeah. See if you can find that on my-

Tom Papa 53:50 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 53:50 It's on my Twitter.

Tom Papa 53:51 That they made? They made a chicken-

Joe Rogan 53:53 They ... I don't know what the fuck they did.

Tom Papa 53:54 ... They cross-bred it?

Joe Rogan 53:55 I b- briefly read the article. I'm like, "These motherfuckers." And then I, I ran away but it's-

Tom Papa 54:00 (laughs) You got scared.

Joe Rogan 54:01 It's got the face ... This chicken has the face of a fucking dinosaur. It's got teeth. It's a chicken with a dinosaur's face.

Tom Papa 54:08 So (laughs) who got the dinosaur stuff?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Here, pull it up.

Tom Papa 54:11 Who got the dinosaur DNA-

Joe Rogan 54:12 Here it is.

Tom Papa 54:12 ... and put it in?

Joe Rogan 54:13 That.

Tom Papa 54:14 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Chicken grows face of a dinosaur. What?

Tom Papa 54:18 What?

Joe Rogan 54:18 I've been telling people-

Tom Papa 54:19 On BBC Earth.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Dude, I've been telling people forever because of the fact that I keep chickens now.... chickens are fucking monsters. They're monsters.

Tom Papa 54:27 (laughs) They have good eggs, though.

Joe Rogan 54:28 They do have good eggs. But we have this idea of them as being these cute little, you know, cuddly little fluffy things that lay eggs and just peck around. No, they're fucking monsters.

Tom Papa 54:39 Does your-

Joe Rogan 54:40 Well, pull up the, uh, the, the top of the article, Jamie. Go to the top of it-

Tom Papa 54:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:44 ... and make it larger so I can read it there, so-

Tom Papa 54:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... see what it says. Blah, blah, blah, "group of dinosaurs, the idea..." keep going, (squeaking sound) za, za, za, za, za, za, uh, "To understand how one changed the other, a team has been tampering with the molecular process them, um, that make up a beak in chickens. By doing so, they've managed to create a chicken embryo with a dinosaur-like snout and palate similar to that of feathered dinosaurs like Velociraptor." They're making raptors, you fucks.

Tom Papa 55:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 55:12 "The results are published in the journal, Evolution. The team's aim was to understand how the bird beak evolved because the beak is such a vital part of birds an- bird anatomy. It's been crucial for their success that 10,000 or mo- more species occupy a wide range of habitats and many have specialized beaks to help them survive."

Tom Papa 55:31 Hmm. So it mess, they messed with the m- neck, molecular makeup of the beak.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Yeah, and they made a fucking dinosaur-faced chicken. How long before they'll start-

Tom Papa 55:40 Well, that'll be good when they're running around. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:43 (coughs)

Tom Papa 55:43 (laughs) That'll be great when they're at the petting zoo.

Joe Rogan 55:45 I bet they would have better ... I, I bet they would have better eggs, because like my chickens' eggs are significantly better when I let them loose and they go fuck up like, m- my- like they'll eat mice and they'll eat worms and-

Tom Papa 55:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:58 ... bugs-

Tom Papa 55:58 Bugs and ...

Joe Rogan 55:59 ... and then I'll get these dark yolks. Like the last couple of days, they've been running around my yard all day. So-

Tom Papa 56:05 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 56:05 Yeah. So the eggs that I'll collect tonight or tomorrow will be dark orange.

Tom Papa 56:10 Oh. But when they're sedentary, they're lighter?

Joe Rogan 56:12 Well, they're just in the cage. Um, well they have a, they have a l- very large coop. The coop is-

Tom Papa 56:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:18 The coop is essentially for the 19 chickens, seven- 17 now, a couple of them died, 17 chickens I have, it's basically the size of this room. So they all-

Tom Papa 56:28 That's good space.

Joe Rogan 56:28 They got plenty of room to-

Tom Papa 56:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:29 ... wander around and plenty of food. But they, like when you ever see vegetarian raised chick-

Tom Papa 56:36 Ah.

Joe Rogan 56:36 ... like vegeta- that's, that's ... They don't want that.

Tom Papa 56:38 Oh, no? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:40 (laughs) No. That's just ... They'll, they'll eat that if that's all you give them.

Tom Papa 56:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:43 But they wanna eat, they wanna eat things.

Tom Papa 56:45 What is the m- Like bugs and-

Joe Rogan 56:46 Bugs.

Tom Papa 56:47 ... worms and-

Joe Rogan 56:47 Bugs, worms.

Tom Papa 56:48 That's most of their diet.

Joe Rogan 56:49 But mice more than anything.

Tom Papa 56:50 Mice?

Joe Rogan 56:51 If they found a mouse, they, they'll fight for it. It's one of the few things that they will fight for.

Tom Papa 56:56 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:56 Yeah. One will grab the mouse and they will just chase each other-

Tom Papa 57:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 ... and try to fuck that mouse up.

Tom Papa 57:01 How are those eggs? The-

Joe Rogan 57:03 P- probably amazing.

Tom Papa 57:04 After the mouse day.

Joe Rogan 57:05 It's hard to tell like who's laying the eggs.

Tom Papa 57:07 So what do you do with all these eggs? There's, there's a lot of eggs.

Joe Rogan 57:09 You can hand them out to people.

Tom Papa 57:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:10 You can have some. You want some eggs?

Tom Papa 57:11 Sure, I'll take some eggs.

Joe Rogan 57:12 I can give you some eggs.

Tom Papa 57:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:13 I got some meat for you, too.

Tom Papa 57:14 I'm out of elk.

Joe Rogan 57:15 I got some.

Tom Papa 57:15 Do you? I really started to crave it.

Joe Rogan 57:18 I had two this year.

Tom Papa 57:19 Oh. Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 57:20 So I got a lot of elk.

Tom Papa 57:21 All right.

Joe Rogan 57:21 Yeah. It's a good year for-

Tom Papa 57:22 Serve it up.

Joe Rogan 57:23 ... good year for the meat.

Tom Papa 57:24 Me and my, my dog are so happy when (laughs) the (laughs) elk comes out.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah. I had-

Tom Papa 57:29 I think I showed you a picture.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:30 Did I send you a shot of-

Joe Rogan 57:31 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 57:32 ... my-

Joe Rogan 57:32 With you cooking?

Tom Papa 57:33 I was cooking up the ground elk-

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:34 ... and the dog is just like, "We're doing this, right?"

Joe Rogan 57:36 (laughs)

Tom Papa 57:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:38 Yeah. Grass-fed butter and ground elk with a little garlic salt.

Tom Papa 57:42 So good. (exhales)

Joe Rogan 57:42 Mm. It's really good with the eggs, too.

Tom Papa 57:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:45 I like to mix it up in eggs.

Tom Papa 57:46 That's exactly what I do.

Joe Rogan 57:47 Oh, baby. Maybe put it on a little bit of that sourdough bread.

Tom Papa 57:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:52 Come on.

Tom Papa 57:52 Ooh, now you're thinking.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:53 Take the sourdough, you put a lot of butter on it, just use it as the base and put that on top of it.

Joe Rogan 57:58 We need to-

Tom Papa 57:58 And then just cut it and eat it.

Joe Rogan 57:59 We need a friend with a vineyard.

Tom Papa 58:01 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 58:02 We need a friend who, who makes his own wine.

Tom Papa 58:04 (clicks tongue) That would be great.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 58:06 We live in the right state for it.

Joe Rogan 58:08 Yeah. Oh, I know, I know a guy who does it.

Tom Papa 58:09 You do?

Joe Rogan 58:10 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 58:10 Good wine?

Joe Rogan 58:11 Uh ...

Tom Papa 58:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:14 I don't know. I never had his wine.

Tom Papa 58:17 Ah.

Joe Rogan 58:17 I never had his wine. He gave me a bottle. I don't know what the fuck happened to it.

Tom Papa 58:21 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yeah. It's a buddy of mine I know.

Tom Papa 58:23 You didn't, didn't drink it?

Joe Rogan 58:24 Yeah, he's in the real estate business.

Tom Papa 58:26 I drank a lot of wine second half of the year.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah?

Tom Papa 58:29 A lot.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Too much?

Tom Papa 58:30 I started reading ... No.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Confession time?

Tom Papa 58:32 No.

Joe Rogan 58:34 (laughs)

Tom Papa 58:34 But I'm not drinking for January. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:35 You taking the whole month off?

Tom Papa 58:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Really? Sober January-

Tom Papa 58:38 My friend was-

Joe Rogan 58:39 ... for Tom Papa.

Tom Papa 58:39 My friend was like, "I'm just gonna," uh, "I'm not ..." I s- ... We went out on the second and he's like, "No, I'm not, I'm not drinking for the month of January."

Joe Rogan 58:47 Wow.

Tom Papa 58:47 And I was like, "That sounds good. I'm gonna do that too," not thinking. And, uh, I've ... It's been a week and I'm like, "This is stupid." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:55 (laughs)

Tom Papa 58:56 Which makes me think (laughs) maybe it's not a bad thing. (sighs) I've never taken a whole month off since I started drinking as a kid.

Joe Rogan 59:03 You gotta do Sober October. That's the move.

Tom Papa 59:05 Sober October.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Yeah, we all do it.

Tom Papa 59:07 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah. I d- I don't know if everybody's gonna do it this year. I doubt we're gonna get Bert to do it again. Bert was in a-

Tom Papa 59:12 Yeah, how did Bert do with that?

Joe Rogan 59:13 ... goddamn frothy panic-

Tom Papa 59:14 Good.

Joe Rogan 59:14 ... by the time November rolled around.

Tom Papa 59:16 (laughs) Was he-

Joe Rogan 59:17 Holy shit, the look in his face. You know where he was, um-

Tom Papa 59:20 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 59:20 ... he was getting his, uh, his jollies? He was going on Instagram feeds of people that were clearly losing their fucking mind. Like-

Tom Papa 59:29 Oh, just watching them suffer?

Joe Rogan 59:31 ... he would, he would send ... He would, no, he would send them to me, like comedians that are out of their fucking minds.

Tom Papa 59:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:35 He'd send me like, uh, "Che- just, just check out her Instagram story." I'm like, "You son of a bitch."

Tom Papa 59:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:40 And I'd go there, I'm like, "Oh my God, what have you done?"

Tom Papa 59:43 Oh, not from-

Joe Rogan 59:43 What have you-

Tom Papa 59:43 ... not drinking, just crazy.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Just being crazy.

Tom Papa 59:45 Just being crazy.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Yeah. There's, there, there are some people out there, and I know- I don't wanna out them, so I'll tell you off the air.

Tom Papa 59:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:52 But there are some people, you find out about their Instagram story and you go, "Oh, there's a hidden little gem here online."

Tom Papa 59:58 Instagram is such a great tell for people.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:00:02 I was gonna work with this guy and I was like ... And I asked my other friend, I said, "Do, do you know him? Like, is he ..." This is just a- he's a director. I was like, "Do you know this guy?" And, uh, she's like, "Um, well, I don't wanna say anything." I'm like, "What?" She goes, "Just look at his Instagram." I was like, "Oh, what an-"

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Mm.

Tom Papa 1:00:19 "... what an old man thing that I didn't think to do then."

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Mm.

Tom Papa 1:00:22 So I just go on the Instagram and you're like, "Oh." (laughs) Oh. They're a r- train wreck.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Ah.

Tom Papa 1:00:27 A train wreck. Just seeing them posting all their-... insanity.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Is- inspirational stuff?

Tom Papa 1:00:31 No, this was just pure bad chick-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Teach you how to-

Tom Papa 1:00:34 ... partying, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 How to be the fully actualized person.

Tom Papa 1:00:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Changes everything.

Tom Papa 1:00:38 I don't mean to shit on Kevin, by the way. I mean, Kevin is, he, he's one of those guys that gets shit done. Like, he's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Who's Kevin?

Tom Papa 1:00:45 Kevin Hart. When I was saying-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Oh.

Tom Papa 1:00:46 ... like, Kevin Hart's thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 No, he's, he legitimately gets things done and also legitimately gets a thrill outta helping people get motivated.

Tom Papa 1:00:54 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 He does runs where he brings hundreds of people out running with him.

Tom Papa 1:00:58 (laughs) He's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Yeah. He'll do, like, a 5K and everybody, "Y'all show up! Show up!"

Tom Papa 1:01:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 "We're running!"

Tom Papa 1:01:02 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 "We're running!" And everybody will run with Kevin Hart.

Tom Papa 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Like, he's legit.

Tom Papa 1:01:06 Hey.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 So-

Tom Papa 1:01:06 How far do you run when you run with your dog?

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 No more than ... Well, Marshall doesn't like to ... H- he gets to the point of the end of the run, he's only a year old, like, two miles is about-

Tom Papa 1:01:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 ... 'cause we're, we're, you know, pushing a pretty good pace in the hills.

Tom Papa 1:01:23 In the hills, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Very, very steep hills.

Tom Papa 1:01:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 At two ... And I don't bring any water for him.

Tom Papa 1:01:28 Oh, no?

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 So, no. So, at two miles, that's all I wanna push him, 'cause at the end, his fucking tongue is bright red and he's like ...

Tom Papa 1:01:34 (laughs) Two miles up hills is-

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:01:36 ... that's a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 But it's great. He's great for the rest of the day.

Tom Papa 1:01:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Like, the rest of the day-

Tom Papa 1:01:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 ... he's like, "Hey, man. What's up?"

Tom Papa 1:01:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 He's just chill.

Tom Papa 1:01:42 He's the best.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 He's such a good dog, man.

Tom Papa 1:01:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 And I love golden retrievers. They're so good.

Tom Papa 1:01:48 Yeah, they are great dogs.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 They're just great dogs. They're so food-oriented, though. Sometimes to the point where being annoying.

Tom Papa 1:01:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Like-

Tom Papa 1:01:54 So is my Lab.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Yeah. Labs are too.

Tom Papa 1:01:57 Same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Well, just a lot of dogs are like that.

Tom Papa 1:01:59 Yeah. If they're active, they're hungry.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:02:01 Their metabolism is quick and they wanna eat and they just ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 The good news is they're really easy to train with food because they love-

Tom Papa 1:02:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 ... food so much. Just give them, like, little treats and-

Tom Papa 1:02:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 ... like, he's ... This dog that I, that I have, Marshall, he's the best I've ever had as far as, like, listening to "sit" and "stay" and "lie down"-

Tom Papa 1:02:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 ... and stuff like that. And when I go running with him, I don't worry about him. He stays close to me.

Tom Papa 1:02:25 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Like, he runs and then I'll, like ... He'll, he's ahead of me and I go, "Hey, man. Slow down." And he'll just stop.

Tom Papa 1:02:31 What?

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 He'll wait for me and then I'll come up to him and then he'll start running again.

Tom Papa 1:02:34 That's great.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Uh-

Tom Papa 1:02:35 I've never, I've never, uh, taken her off leash like that, and I feel like it'd be a blast.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 The only thing I worry about is rattlesnakes.

Tom Papa 1:02:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 That's, that's an issue.

Tom Papa 1:02:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 'Cause I don't think he knows exactly what a rattlesnake is.

Tom Papa 1:02:47 I bet the instinct would kick in if he-

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Wrong instincts.

Tom Papa 1:02:49 ... if he didn't get surprised by it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 The w- the wor- the instincts I'm worried about are the wrong ones, which are they get close-

Tom Papa 1:02:54 Oh, you think?

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... and get bit. Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:02:55 You don't think they'd be, like, all that ancient DNA of hearing that rattle like ...

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 I've had three dogs that were bit by rattlesnakes.

Tom Papa 1:03:02 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:03:03 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Yeah. And ... 'Cause they went after it? Yeah. One of them-

Tom Papa 1:03:08 (laughs) Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 One of them got bit. I brought him to the doctor and I'm like, "I think he got bit by a rattlesnake." And the, the, the veterinarian is like, "Well, you wanna play the sad song?"

Tom Papa 1:03:15 I'm gonna play the sad song.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 And the veterinarian-

Tom Papa 1:03:17 Music.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 They're fine. He lived. But the veterinarian was like, um, "Everything seems okay." I'm like, "I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure that snake got him." And, uh, he goes, "Well, you know, if, uh, if he's acting funny later, let me know." So I bring him home. Hour later, his face swells up like a fucking basketball.

Tom Papa 1:03:35 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 I'm like, "Shit." It just took a while for it to kick in.

Tom Papa 1:03:39 Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 And I thought I was doing the right thing by getting him to the vet in time. I'm like, "I'm gonna just get him there right away."

Tom Papa 1:03:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 "Just throw him in the car." You know-

Tom Papa 1:03:46 Just beat the clock.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it, it took a while for the venom to, like, sink into his face.

Tom Papa 1:03:53 Ooh. How long?

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 It took over an hour because I was at the veterinarian's-

Tom Papa 1:03:55 Over an hour?

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Yeah. Yeah, because I was at the veterinarian's office, um, within ... He got bit, I had him there within 35, 40 minutes. And then, the vet, the vet's looking at him and is like, "I don't see any marks. I don't see any blood. There's no, like, clear ... Uh, he might've got missed or the, the thing might not have gotten any venom in him."

Tom Papa 1:04:14 That's weird.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 "I don't know, maybe he got lucky." So I take him home, his face is like ... That's what happens, their face swells up.

Tom Papa 1:04:22 Oh, it's brutal.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Yeah, and then it costs thousands of dollars. It's very expensive, the antivenom.

Tom Papa 1:04:28 What do they have to do?

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 They use antivenom.

Tom Papa 1:04:29 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 It's really expensive.

Tom Papa 1:04:31 Just to inject that?

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:04:32 Thousands of dollars?

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Yeah, which is really bad for people that are poor, you know. If you don't have any money to pay for that, and your dog gets bit, it's a fucking tremendous stress.

Tom Papa 1:04:42 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:04:44 Would they survive? I mean, if it's that dose? Without the antivenom?

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Some dogs survive.

Tom Papa 1:04:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Some dogs survive, some dogs don't.

Tom Papa 1:04:49 Some dogs survive, some dogs don't. Some dogs-

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Yeah, but some dogs die from it, for sure.

Tom Papa 1:04:53 Oh, that's a bummer.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 It's really bad for them.

Tom Papa 1:04:56 I don't have a place to run my dog like that. We've got, like, all streets around this, so it's like ... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 Yeah, you gotta drive him somewhere, man.

Tom Papa 1:05:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Take him to a Runyon Canyon or something, you know?

Tom Papa 1:05:04 Can you take him off-leash in those places?

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 It's not ... The problem is you never know what kind of dogs you're gonna run into, or coyotes.

Tom Papa 1:05:12 Or angry moms.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:05:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 That's true, too. Yeah, there's a lot of people like that.

Tom Papa 1:05:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yeah. If you can go places that are less populated, those are the best-

Tom Papa 1:05:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 ... for off-leash type activities.

Tom Papa 1:05:23 She would be so happy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Well, she's a Lab, too.

Tom Papa 1:05:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 They're sweet dogs.

Tom Papa 1:05:26 Wants to run.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 And they're not, they're not like the kind of dogs ... It's not like you're taking a Presa Canario, 120-pound-

Tom Papa 1:05:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 ... demon dog-

Tom Papa 1:05:34 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 ... and letting that thing loose, but-

Tom Papa 1:05:36 No, she's sweet.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:05:37 (laughs) Demon dog. What was the name of that dog?

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Presa Canario. You never seen one of those things?

Tom Papa 1:05:42 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 They're tanks. They're these huge-

Tom Papa 1:05:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 ... fucking muscular-

Tom Papa 1:05:46 Presa Canario?

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 ... looking ... They ... There's, uh, a guy who's breeding some that I know. He's making these brindle ones. They look so crazy.

Tom Papa 1:05:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 They're like the ultimate guard dog, 'cause-

Tom Papa 1:05:57 With a dinosaur beak?

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 ... they'll ... That thing. Look at the size of that thing.

Tom Papa 1:06:00 Oh, it's like a Mastiff.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Yeah. Super aggressive.

Tom Papa 1:06:03 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:06:04 Oh, great.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Click on that black one above it. Yeah, look at that.

Tom Papa 1:06:06 Great.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Get the fuck out of here, man.

Tom Papa 1:06:09 Look at those shoulders. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 That thing's coming at you.

Tom Papa 1:06:11 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 He's gonna fuck you with that big dick, too. Look at that.

Tom Papa 1:06:13 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Giant horse dick he's got between his-

Tom Papa 1:06:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 ... doggie legs.

Tom Papa 1:06:18 Oh, geez. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 Look at the face on that thing!

Tom Papa 1:06:20 Oh, my God. Are these a- are these around?

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah, man. They're real- they're real. They're not dinosaurs.

Tom Papa 1:06:25 They have these? Like, people have these at home?

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know some people who have them. My friend Mark has two of them.Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:06:33 That is scary.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 It's an enormous dog. They're apparently, uh, very good loyal watchdogs, though.

Tom Papa 1:06:38 Oh, they are?

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:06:38 They're nice to the family?

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 Well, it's all in who breeds them. Look at the one with the dogs on a leash, pulling? Right there, like, a fucking-

Tom Papa 1:06:46 Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 ... build on that thing.

Tom Papa 1:06:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 Just low. Just, what a nightmare if that was chasing after you.

Tom Papa 1:06:52 Oh, my-

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck-

Tom Papa 1:06:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 ... fuck, fuck, fuck. (dog growling)

Tom Papa 1:06:56 What do you do when a dog comes at you-

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 (barks)

Tom Papa 1:06:57 ... and it's gonna ... wants to bite you? Just punch it?

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Give him your arm.

Tom Papa 1:07:01 Just give him your arm?

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 If you know a dog's gonna attack you, if you know for sure, if you have the time-

Tom Papa 1:07:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 ... you feed him your arm and stab the shit out of him while he's grabbing your arm. You fuckin' ... Right in the neck.

Tom Papa 1:07:11 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 (groans)

Tom Papa 1:07:12 What if you don't have a weapon?

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 You're fucked.

Tom Papa 1:07:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Why don't you carry a weapon? You should have a weapon, always.

Tom Papa 1:07:17 I should always have a weapon?

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 Yes. You never know when you're gonna be attacked by a dog.

Tom Papa 1:07:20 Do you have a weapon? Oh, really? (gun clicks) Nice.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 You never know.

Tom Papa 1:07:27 (laughs) See, I told you, you carry-

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 You never know.

Tom Papa 1:07:30 ... a lot of shit with you.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 Get attacked by a goddamn dog.

Tom Papa 1:07:32 (laughs) That's a dog knife.

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 You never know.

Tom Papa 1:07:36 Nice.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 Coyotes, mountain lions. I was- my-

Tom Papa 1:07:39 What do you do when you ... (clears throat) when you fly? You gotta put it in your bag?

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Your teeth, like a pirate.

Tom Papa 1:07:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 They don't check. (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:07:46 TSA Pre.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 (coughs) No, I don't bring them with me when I travel.

Tom Papa 1:07:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 I just use opening boxes today. I'm only kidding.

Tom Papa 1:07:53 Oh, you don't carry that all the time? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 No. What an asshole. I had to open boxes. (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:07:58 A lot of people do. Don't you think there's a lot of people out there next to you at the 7-Eleven that have, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:08:03 ... they're carrying shit?

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 1:08:05 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 I know a guy who used to carry-

Tom Papa 1:08:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 ... a gun on his ankle. He might still do it. I don't wanna say his name, but-

Tom Papa 1:08:12 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 ... he was a guy who used to fight for the UFC. He carried a gun on ... And, and he's huge. He's a giant man.

Tom Papa 1:08:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 He carried a gun on his ankle. He carried one in the small of his back. He carried a knife in his front pocket on both sides. He had two knives that he carried all the time, and he carried a shoulder holster.

Tom Papa 1:08:31 Just to go to the store?

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Everywhere he went.

Tom Papa 1:08:33 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Everywhere he went he was locked and loaded. Like, he was the wrong guy to fuck with in every single possible way.

Tom Papa 1:08:41 (laughs) So-

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 At 260 pounds-

Tom Papa 1:08:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 ... enormous, trained, black belt-

Tom Papa 1:08:46 Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 ... UFC champion, loaded to the-

Tom Papa 1:08:49 Just-

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 ... hilt, carrying knives and guns all over his persona.

Tom Papa 1:08:53 Oh my ... The cool part about that, which I always like in the movies, is when you're done with your day and you're just unloading all that stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:09:00 ... on your dresser. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 Clink.

Tom Papa 1:09:02 When you're on like ... Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 Clink, clink.

Tom Papa 1:09:04 Just taking the strap off.

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:09:05 Taking the ... that thing off.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:09:07 That always seems ... I love that part of being a man, of just having all the stuff you gotta unload-

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:09:12 ... to then go to, like, Beyond Keys and Wallet (laughs) to be like, gun, machete, other guns-

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 Brass knuckles.

Tom Papa 1:09:19 (laughs) Yeah, right, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Does anybody carry brass knuckles anymore? Are those out?

Tom Papa 1:09:23 They mustn't ... Maybe. Yeah, why not?

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Yeah, it's not a thing anymore.

Tom Papa 1:09:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 It's not, like-

Tom Papa 1:09:28 I wonder if those are legal.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Like, that was something you'd hear about when we were kids.

Tom Papa 1:09:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 "Oh, they got brass knuckles."

Tom Papa 1:09:33 I guess 'cause Bugs Bunny had them.

Joe Rogan 1:09:35 (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:09:36 (laughs) That's the only place we were hearing stuff was as, as children.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Yeah, you don't hear ... You don't hear about brass knuckles at all anymore.

Tom Papa 1:09:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 Now words are what hurt.

Tom Papa 1:09:44 Get you on ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 People-

Tom Papa 1:09:45 Get you some brass knuckles, see?

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 People hurt with words.

Tom Papa 1:09:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 Words are violence.

Tom Papa 1:09:52 Give me some brass knuckles, see?

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 Yeah. The old days, see?

Tom Papa 1:09:56 Yeah, the old days, see?

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 Yeah. "Why'd they talk like that back then, see?"

Tom Papa 1:09:59 'Cause that's the way they spoke back then, see?