Joe Rogan Experience #1074 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 3:01

   Cameron Hanes’ relentless training mindset (run/lift/shoot)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Usually I have it, but it goes away after a month or so. I've had it for like four months pretty solid. Ooh, and we're live. Cam Hanes, how you doing buddy?

   2. CHCameron Hanes0:10

      I'm good, how are you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      I'm good.

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:12

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Welcome to California.

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:13

      I know. And th- this place is amazing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      It's pretty badass, right?

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:17

      Yeah, we did the... We did the grand tour and I'm ready to lift.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Yeah. We're gonna... We're gonna shoot first.

   10. CHCameron Hanes0:23

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       I don't... Don't wanna have poor accuracy.

   12. CHCameron Hanes0:25

       No, right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       That's like... Your... Your whole motto of run, lift, shoot-

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Shouldn't it be shoot, lift, run? Or shoot, run, lift?

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:33

       I don't know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Do you... You... You run in the mornings and then you run at night too, right?

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       Yeah, mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       You have a problem.

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:39

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, that's a problem.

   22. CHCameron Hanes0:41

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       That's too much.

   24. CHCameron Hanes0:42

       Well, I... I just fall back on the moderation is for cowards.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs)

   26. CHCameron Hanes0:45

       So that like pretty much covers any psycho overdoing, in excess. I'm like just... It can be like, no, I'm just not a coward.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       And what about overtraining? Is that bullshit?

   28. CHCameron Hanes0:56

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah. It's totally bullshit. But you were saying before-

   30. CHCameron Hanes0:59

       That's why-
2. 3:01 – 4:25

   Injuries, joint pain, and ditching daily Advil

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      I'm like... 'Cause right now I told you I'm suffering through this little tendonitis thing that I've been trying to fight off.

   2. CHCameron Hanes3:05

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      And so I see all those reps and my elbow starts hurting when I'm looking at the screen.

   4. CHCameron Hanes3:09

      Yeah, you know people ask me about my joints or about a-... You know, 'cause they're battling different things like that and I have no idea. I mean, I just... I don't have... I've been lucky where I don't have injuries, you know. I mean-

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      That's very disappointing.

   6. CHCameron Hanes3:25

      Yeah, I mean I...

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      (laughs)

   8. CHCameron Hanes3:26

      You know, my... I... I'm banged up a little bit, but, um, you know, I've talked to you before where I've had to take a- Advil every day.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      Yeah.

   10. CHCameron Hanes3:35

       And, uh, not anymore.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Well, you... The... Tell that story because that's a crazy story and I've talked about it on the podcast without you being here, but-

   12. CHCameron Hanes3:42

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       I called you after Rhonda Patrick did a podcast-

   14. CHCameron Hanes3:46

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       ... with me and she was telling me about the dangers of what they call non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. That's what ibuprofen-

   16. CHCameron Hanes3:52

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       ... is.

   18. CHCameron Hanes3:52

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       And she was saying it... It ruins your gut biome.

   20. CHCameron Hanes3:55

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       And that it actually causes inflammation. And so the people that are taking Advil every day for inflammation don't even realize that-

   22. CHCameron Hanes4:02

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       ... taking all that Advil actually is causing inflammation.

   24. CHCameron Hanes4:05

       Right. Yeah, and-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       So you quit?

   26. CHCameron Hanes4:07

       I quit, and, uh, then I wasn't... And I almost think it was maybe placebo a little bit because it's like... It... Not only did it not help after a while, but it... It made it worse essentially-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Yeah.

   28. CHCameron Hanes4:18

       ... the inflammation. So after hearing that and, you know, who's ever gonna question Rhonda Patrick?

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Right.

3. 4:25 – 5:46

   Kratom for pain relief and why it’s controversial

   1. CHCameron Hanes4:25

      I mean, I would never. So I'm like, "Well, I better stop that." So, um, since then I haven't been taking anything and then I have taken... There's this... There's this... You can get it at the health food store, it's called kratom.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Oh, yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes4:39

      You ever heard of that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. CHCameron Hanes4:40

      That... That seems to help.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      You know they're trying to outlaw that stuff.

   7. CHCameron Hanes4:43

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      Yeah. Apparently that's... That kratom stuff, I had Chris Bell on the podcast, he's doing a documentary about kratom.

   9. CHCameron Hanes4:51

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       And he did that documentary, Bigger, Stronger, Faster.

   11. CHCameron Hanes4:54

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       And-

   13. CHCameron Hanes4:56

       Yeah, I know who he is.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       He brought in some guys that sell kratom and they're explaining what it does and I tried it and wha-... When I tried it, apparently if you take it in low doses it's like almost a mild stimulant.

   15. CHCameron Hanes5:09

       Mm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Which is what it... What it felt like to me.

   17. CHCameron Hanes5:10

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       But if you take it in higher doses it relaxes you.

   19. CHCameron Hanes5:13

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       And it's really good for pain.

   21. CHCameron Hanes5:15

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       And Chris has had, uh, hip replacements.

   23. CHCameron Hanes5:18

       What did he say about it? Was it positive or negative?

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       Positive.

   25. CHCameron Hanes5:20

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       There's no... No negative.

   27. CHCameron Hanes5:21

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       There's... There's no downsides to it, it's not addictive.

   29. CHCameron Hanes5:24

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       It's not bad for you.
4. 5:46 – 8:14

   Building up to ‘ridiculous reps’ and avoiding beginner mistakes

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      That's crazy. That's amazing. So when you're doing all these reps like so you're doing... You... You do these crazy things on like the lat pulldown machine where you s-... You do the whole stack.

   2. CHCameron Hanes5:56

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      Right?

   4. CHCameron Hanes5:57

      Mm-hmm. The goal is 20 of the stack of everything.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:00

      That's fucking ridiculous.

   6. CHCameron Hanes6:01

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      So how do you not get like joint pain? That doesn't have anything-

   8. CHCameron Hanes6:04

      I don't know. I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:04

      So it's just... Because you do it all the time?

   10. CHCameron Hanes6:06

       I'm not sure.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Your body's conditioned to it?

   12. CHCameron Hanes6:08

       I... I can't-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       Makes me want to do it.

   14. CHCameron Hanes6:09

       ... I know, it's, but I don't want people to, uh ... I mean, it's taken a while to work up there.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       Yeah.

   16. CHCameron Hanes6:15

       Right? So I mean, I, I don't want people to go and try to do that right out of the gate, and then get hurt.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       Yeah.

   18. CHCameron Hanes6:20

       Because that's what ... I think that's what frustrates people more than anything is when they're excited to make a change, a lifestyle change-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Mm-hmm.

   20. CHCameron Hanes6:26

       ... and then they ... something happens, and then, you know, they get hurt.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Yeah. I was doing chin-ups, um, three or four times a week. I decided I was gonna do 50 chin-ups, uh, at least three or four times a week, just, just to make sure I did them all the time.

   22. CHCameron Hanes6:42

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       And then on top of that, I was doing heavy cleans, 90-pound cleans-

   24. CHCameron Hanes6:46

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       ... with kettlebells, cleans and presses.

   26. CHCameron Hanes6:47

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       And I started getting this whole nagging elbow pain.

   28. CHCameron Hanes6:51

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       And I didn't want to be a pussy, so I kept working out-

   30. CHCameron Hanes6:54

       Push through it, yeah.
5. 8:14 – 9:14

   Social media: mostly positive, but the poison comments stick

   1. CHCameron Hanes8:14

      Oh, yeah, there's some, there's some great people and there's some crazy people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      Oh, there's mostly great people.

   3. CHCameron Hanes8:19

      Yeah, for sure.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      I, I, I find that my interactions online are almost mostly positive.

   5. CHCameron Hanes8:24

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:25

      Like, with a f- ... Like, by far.

   7. CHCameron Hanes8:27

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:27

      The problem is, that's like having mostly non-poisonous food.

   9. CHCameron Hanes8:33

      Yeah. Yeah, a little bit of poison is enough.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       Yeah. Like-

   11. CHCameron Hanes8:36

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       All you'd have to do is go to this restaurant, one out of ten times they fucking poison you, you'd never go back to that restaurant again.

   13. CHCameron Hanes8:41

       Right, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       I don't even think it's one out of ten. I think the, the interactions that I have online that are negative, it's not even one out of a hundred.

   15. CHCameron Hanes8:47

       No, I don't think so.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       No.

   17. CHCameron Hanes8:48

       It's th- those ... For me, those are the ones that I am drawn t- ... And I find myself, I see the negative and I go past all these positive, and then I'll say something because just if I'm in a bad mood-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Yep.

   19. CHCameron Hanes9:00

       ... after a, a whole day of getting beat down by stupid comments, so I'll have to do something-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       (laughs)

   21. CHCameron Hanes9:06

       ... then I'll be like, "Why did I ... " So then I go back and I, like, try to acknowledge some positive ones, 'cause I feel guilty.

6. 9:14 – 13:55

   Predators, public perception, and the ‘save the wolf’ disconnect

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:14

      Yeah. (laughs) Well, I saw you post a, a picture of a bear that you shot the other day. It was a video of, uh, a bear you shot and I saw it and whoa, I looked at those comments, I'm like, "Here we go." (laughs)

   2. CHCameron Hanes9:22

      Which one wa- ... Uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:23

      It was, uh, you, you, you shot a bear and you were opening its mouth to check on its teeth and-

   4. CHCameron Hanes9:28

      Oh. Oh, uh, yeah, yeah. For sure.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      Yeah. And I, I saw that video and I was like, "Whoa, that's a landmine right there."

   6. CHCameron Hanes9:34

      Yeah, I know. Bear, you know, bear.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:36

      That's crazy.

   8. CHCameron Hanes9:36

      It is.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:38

      That is the, the one animal that I think people have the most distorted perceptions of because of teddy bears and because of Yogi-

   10. CHCameron Hanes9:44

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       ... and because ... I really wanna take anybody who has these weird thoughts about bears, I just really wanna bring them to Jon and Jen's place in Alberta.

   12. CHCameron Hanes9:52

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       And I wanna say, "Why don't you ... We're gonna come hang around."

   14. CHCameron Hanes9:55

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       "And if we're lucky, we're gonna see a bear tear apart a baby bear."

   16. CHCameron Hanes9:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Because they do that every day.

   18. CHCameron Hanes10:01

       They do, all the time.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       They get up out of their dens and they go looking for baby bears.

   20. CHCameron Hanes10:04

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       And then maybe w- if we're lucky, we'll see a bear get ahold of a fawn.

   22. CHCameron Hanes10:08

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       And it'll be crying and it'll eat, it'll, it'll eat that thing alive.

   24. CHCameron Hanes10:11

       Yeah. They'll have a different, they'll have a different take on it. They'll be like, "Kill that ... thing."

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       Yeah.

   26. CHCameron Hanes10:16

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       Well, just people are nuts.

   28. CHCameron Hanes10:18

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       They're trying to bring wolves into California, they're t- or Colorado rather.

   30. CHCameron Hanes10:21

       Mm-hmm.
7. 13:55 – 19:06

   Under Armour wolf commercial and animal athleticism

   1. CHCameron Hanes13:55

      You know? They're just... And I did the commercial with the wolf too.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      Yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes13:58

      Which is, which is, was amazing. But, uh ...

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:01

      Well, that Under Armor commercial you told me was pretty crazy 'cause they had this scene where the wolf snarls.

   5. CHCameron Hanes14:07

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      And they had to save that scene for the very end.

   7. CHCameron Hanes14:09

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, because it was ... They said that (coughs) now ... It was supposed to be me against a wolf going after this elk, and then I ended up winning that little ... The, the story as it was told. And, um, they needed to get the wolf snarling and so they brought some meat out, gave it some meat, but they said, "Well ..." Actually gave it, then took it away. And obviously that's gonna make any animal upset, especially a wolf. But they said once we do that, we're done with the wolf. Because it's, it's not gonna da- snap out of it and it's just gonna ... That's gonna be its mindset for a while, about it's not gonna be happy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:46

      Yeah. There it is.

   9. CHCameron Hanes14:47

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       (coughs) Go back to that.

   11. CHCameron Hanes14:50

       I think it shows at the end, it should sh- yeah. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       Fuck. (laughs)

   13. CHCameron Hanes14:55

       (laughs) And that was actually ... I mean ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Uh ...

   15. CHCameron Hanes14:58

       People thought that that was edited and it, and it wasn't, you know, right there with me. No, it was right there with me. Um, you know, they did a great job of putting that commercial together. Uh, it wasn't necessarily snarling at me or growling-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       Right.

   17. CHCameron Hanes15:11

       ... at me. But it was there. It was, it was fun. It was amazing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       How big was that wolf?

   19. CHCameron Hanes15:15

       I think it was about 130 pounds. I mean, it was tall. That, that's a big ... That's what surprised me is how tall they are.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Long legs, right?

   21. CHCameron Hanes15:23

       Yeah, and I think, you know, uh, we were talking about it earlier, as far as endurance goes, wolves, I believe, are the number one animal out there as far as they can run miles and miles and miles. And they're tall and they can just ... You know, their gait is, uh, you know, whatever. It allows them to go for hours and miles.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah. I was talking about running with my dog, you know, and he's only a year old.

   23. CHCameron Hanes15:43

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       And he's in such good shape now 'cause he runs with me all the time.

   25. CHCameron Hanes15:48

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       See, if we run two miles, I run two miles. He runs seven or eight.

   27. CHCameron Hanes15:53

       Right. Running everywhere.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       'Cause he's running up and back and up and back and up and back and-

   29. CHCameron Hanes15:56

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       But i- it's amazing like what ... How good a shape they're in right outta-
8. 19:06 – 26:27

   Hunting education, open-minded media, and Joe’s influence (float tanks)

   1. CHCameron Hanes19:06

      Yeah. You know, it's, uh, we try to tell the story... I mean, we're telling the story and it's getting through to some people. I mean, I can see it. I can see the, there's education there. I mean, and I'm sure you get messages every day from people who have never hunted who are interested in it, who just want to know what the lifestyle is. Because we- we've sort of romanticized the lifestyle and- and it's- and it's easy to do because it's the mountains, and the mountains are, you know, you get that connection and you get that empowerment. Um, so I- I think we are kind of turning the tide a little bit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:38

      I got a message from a guy, uh, a while back, maybe four or five months ago, who was a vegan for a long time.

   3. CHCameron Hanes19:45

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:45

      Started listening to the podcast. At first was upset about the talk about hunting.

   5. CHCameron Hanes19:49

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:49

      Ran into some health issues. His doctor recommended he start eating animal products again. Started with eggs, worked his way back up to meat. Ate meat again.

   7. CHCameron Hanes19:59

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:59

      Was getting, you know, healthy grass-fed, uh, you know-

   9. CHCameron Hanes20:04

      Beef.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       ... ethically sustained animals.

   11. CHCameron Hanes20:07

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:07

       Ethically raised animals. Decided to go hunting. Became a hunter.

   13. CHCameron Hanes20:12

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       Shot his first deer, ate his first deer.

   15. CHCameron Hanes20:14

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       And now he's gonna be a hunter.

   17. CHCameron Hanes20:16

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       I mean, this guy went full circle.

   19. CHCameron Hanes20:18

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       And part of the journey of him going for, full circle was listening to people talk about it on the podcast-

   21. CHCameron Hanes20:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       ... and- and realizing this idea that he had in his head that these people that are out there hunting are all people that hate animals and they're cruel and they're just rednecks that are going out there drinking beer and shooting these animals and laughing and hooting and hollering about it.

   23. CHCameron Hanes20:37

       Yeah. A- you know, well, uh, uh, there's a couple points I want to make there. One of them is, your podcast has been (clears throat) amazing for the education part. And I- I mentioned this, uh, Adam and I did a podcast with the Grady Bowman, and, um, I said, you know, Joe's podcast, just because the- the type of person Joe is as- as far as being open-minded, um, and giving everything a chance, not- not coming in with biases or the same type of listeners you have, you've kind of cultivated, or- or, you know, they- they like you because, I don't know, they see themselves in you maybe. But anyway, so those people have come in and listened to these podcasts like this without that bias, and when you listen to it and listen to us talk about it, it's not the redneck, you know, laughing because they're killing things person they may have thought. It's, you know, this whole thing, this whole thing we talk about. And so this podcast in particular has, I think, been a huge tool as far as promoting hunting and ethical hunting, and, um, just the empowerment of being a hunter. And so, that, I- I don't know. Just- just this venue, I don't know, I don't know if we could ever done that without, you know, the Joe Rogan podcast. It's been amazing. Um, I don't know. Did- have you noticed that? I mean, with other- with other things besides hunting? Um ...

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:58

       I think floating, uh, that's a- a big thing.

   25. CHCameron Hanes22:02

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       Uh, sensory deprivation tanks-

   27. CHCameron Hanes22:04

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:04

       ... th- that- that business was going under. There was virtually no tank centers in the- in the world. There was, uh, like one of them in Burbank and I had heard one of them was in San Francisco. There just, they were hard to find.

   29. CHCameron Hanes22:16

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       There was none in New York. Like, one guy had one in an apartment in New York that you could rent out.
9. 26:27 – 41:38

   Toxic tribalism, diet ideology, and meat ethics

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:27

      Yeah. I think people need to stop doing that. I think that's a big part of the problem we have in this world. And, uh, I was talking with, uh, uh, Dan Harris from Good Morning America. That's what he's on, right? Mm, yeah. Yeah. Um, and he was, he, he used a word that I love, a term that I love, toxic tribalism.

   2. CHCameron Hanes26:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:48

      You know, so, I mean, you see that with CNN versus Fox News. It's like neither one of them wanna look at things objectively. Fox News has a very clear right-wing bias. CNN has a very clear left-wing bias.

   4. CHCameron Hanes26:58

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:59

      And they just go to war with each other.

   6. CHCameron Hanes27:00

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:00

      And then the president's, like, calling everybody fake news, and-

   8. CHCameron Hanes27:03

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      You know, it's, it's hard to-

   10. CHCameron Hanes27:06

       It is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:06

       ... to see what's really going on. People wanna look at their side, they wanna defend their side, and they never wanna say, "Okay, I see this guy's point."

   12. CHCameron Hanes27:14

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       You gotta be able to see people's points.

   14. CHCameron Hanes27:16

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       I mean, that's one thing that I always say about vegans after I make fun of them. I say, "I, I, I understand why you would wanna do that, and I think it's a compassionate choice."

   16. CHCameron Hanes27:27

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:27

       "I get it. I, I totally understand."

   18. CHCameron Hanes27:29

       Yeah, I, so do I.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       I do, and I, I support their decision. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think you should be real careful with your health if you're doing that, though. And I'm not bullshitting, this is not me being facetious or-

   20. CHCameron Hanes27:41

       Meathead.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       Yeah, I'm not being a meathead. You should be careful with your health. There's a lot of things that you should probably check. B12 is a big one. That's a huge issue with vegans, is, uh, B12 deficiencies. And I think if you, if you are a vegan, you should consider supplementing with things that you don't have a problem with eating, like maybe even some cricket protein or, um, mollusks like sel- shellfish. People should look into shellfish. Shellfish, not only is, are they sustainable, but they're so primitive they don't even have like a, a neurological system.

   22. CHCameron Hanes28:10

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       Like they don't feel any fucking pain. Like you could eat clams all day long, they don't know what the fuck is going on. This is ... Uh, we have this idea about clams because they do that-

   24. CHCameron Hanes28:19

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:19

       ... 'cause they close, that somehow ... "Oh, the poor little thing, he's just trying to hide," like that, that thing-

   26. CHCameron Hanes28:24

       So are those pearls in there?

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:25

       Y- No, that's oysters.

   28. CHCameron Hanes28:26

       Oh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:27

       (laughs)

   30. CHCameron Hanes28:27

       Okay. I don't know anything about either. I know about bow hunting.
10. 41:38 – 57:42

    Factory farming imagery vs. hunting as ‘noble’ meat procurement

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:38

       You find what that title is? It's an article ... Okay. "We shouldn't hide the gory de- details of how meat reaches our plate."

    2. CHCameron Hanes41:46

       Right. What are those?

    3. JRJoe Rogan41:47

       And-

    4. CHCameron Hanes41:47

       Are those chickens? What are those?

    5. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       Oh.

    6. NANarrator41:49

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan41:49

       Yeah. And I think that's very, very important. And I think that, like, what I'm looking at right there-

    8. CHCameron Hanes41:55

       That's their life right there.

    9. JRJoe Rogan41:56

       ... is fucking gross.

    10. CHCameron Hanes41:56

        That's their life.

    11. JRJoe Rogan41:58

        Yeah. It's fucked up 'cause I eat chickens, but I don't eat my chickens.

    12. CHCameron Hanes42:02

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan42:03

        Like, someone said, "Well, do you eat those chickens?" I'm like, "No, those are like my pets."

    14. CHCameron Hanes42:06

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan42:07

        It's weird, right? But I'll, I'll eat the shit out of some chicken.

    16. CHCameron Hanes42:10

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan42:10

        (laughs)

    18. CHCameron Hanes42:10

        And, and ... But when you, but when you think of it like that, I mean ... So when we're, we're looking at this picture, I know people looking at the ... or, listening to the podcast can't see the picture, but I mean-

    19. JRJoe Rogan42:19

        We're looking at a, an enormous warehouse. I mean enormous. It looks like several football fields long, and it's filled with chickens that are just stuffed into these rows.

    20. CHCameron Hanes42:28

        On top of each other, right?

    21. JRJoe Rogan42:29

        Yeah.

    22. CHCameron Hanes42:29

        And that's their life until they get killed. And when you think of that, okay, would I rather do that or would I rather procure my own meat hunting? You know, everybody would say, "That's not right." And I believe hunting is a noble way of procuring meat.

    23. JRJoe Rogan42:46

        Yeah.

    24. CHCameron Hanes42:47

        And, and, um, I'm a- ... I think when you look at that, but people don't see that. They don't think about that. When they order their, you know, chick- chicken nuggets, they're not thinking about that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:57

        No.

    26. CHCameron Hanes42:57

        You know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:58

        Just hungry.

    28. CHCameron Hanes42:58

        Just hungry.

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:59

        It's just too easy to get food.

    30. CHCameron Hanes43:00

        Yeah.
11. 57:42 – 1:08:59

    Ultra-running mindset: suffering waves, grinding, and Courtney Dauwalter’s dominance

    1. CHCameron Hanes57:42

       That's, that's one of the reasons why I'm so drawn to ultra-running. I mean, because w- whether you ru- like running or not, the people that do that are some great, positive people. I mean-

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:53

       They're savages.

    3. CHCameron Hanes57:54

       Oh, it, but they're also ... You get so used of winning those mini battles in, in a long run, and you h- I mean, you have to f- ... And you get strength from each other, so at the finish line or during the race, is you can get a bond. Um, there's a saying, you know, "He who sh- sheds his blood with m- with me will be my brother." And it's like, it's not, that's probably derived from war, and, and I get that, and it's not like a war or anything like that, but it's going through a, a mini battle. And when you do that with somebody and you share that experience, you get that connection. And it's like, and, and it's why even though I don't know Courtney that well, um, I know what she does and I really look up to her ability to just be a beast. And that whole environment, the ultra-running environment and community is, uh, is empowering for me, for sure. And, and that's, that's why I love even just being around people like that. It just makes you better.

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:52

       Well, they're, they're exceptional.

    5. CHCameron Hanes58:54

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:55

       Those are exceptional people. They're, they have an exceptional mind.

    7. CHCameron Hanes58:57

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:58

       Th- to be able to endure something like a 238-mile race through the Moab desert, you gotta be something special.

    9. CHCameron Hanes59:04

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan59:05

        There's go- there's, there's a, a little thing in the back of your head that says, "Why don't you sit down? Why don't you just quit?"

    11. CHCameron Hanes59:10

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:10

        "Why don't you just ... This is, enough is enough. We already ran five miles."

    13. CHCameron Hanes59:12

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan59:13

        "We already ran ... That's enough, man. You ran a marathon. That is enough. You ran two marathons, so just sit the fuck down."

    15. CHCameron Hanes59:18

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan59:18

        "Will you just sit the fuck down and take a nap?"

    17. CHCameron Hanes59:19

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:19

        But you have to be able to shut that off, and most people can't shut that off.

    19. CHCameron Hanes59:23

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:23

        They just can't, you know? You don't-

    21. CHCameron Hanes59:24

        It's, i- i- it's tough, it's, it's amazing. I mean, uh, my brother was with me on that last one, and, uh, and it's, and it's weird to share, uh, an experience like that with somebody, because you can be similar, but in the course of something like three days like that, you're in low points at different times. You know what I mean?

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:44

        Right, right.

    23. CHCameron Hanes59:45

        And so it's really hard, um, it's really hard to win each of those battles, because at one time when you might ... I don't know, it's just, it, it seems like that'd be easier, but, and I think in, in some respects it is, but it's ... Man, it doesn't ... It's tough. It was, it's tough all the way around.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

        So when you're going through a three-day, 238-mile run-

    25. CHCameron Hanes1:00:10

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

        ... does it, it, you, it gets bad at certain times where you just feel like shit.

    27. CHCameron Hanes1:00:16

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

        And then if you keep going, it gets better? And then it gets bad again?

    29. CHCameron Hanes1:00:21

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

        And then it gets better again?

Episode duration: 2:36:10