Joe Rogan Experience #1082 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1. 0:00 – 3:44

   Remembering Richard Jeni: an underrated stand-up master

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (singing) Another episode of the Richard Jeni Fan Club. He's, he's a guy that I've been telling forever is probably the most underrated stand-up in the history of stand-up. I think he's, like, one of the all-time greats.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:14

      And he's got a body of work because he did a one-hour... Back before everybody was doing one-hour specials every year, he was doing that shit back in the, the '90s.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Oh, yeah. On Showtime-

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:23

      Showtime, every year.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      ... he had a Showtime one. Like, when I was just starting out, so I think it was like '89 or '90, somewhere around the... He had a Showtime special.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:33

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      And then he had a bu-

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:35

      Platypus Man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:36

      Yup, he had a bunch of HBO specials, but the last one that he did before he died in 2007, that is his masterpiece.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:43

       Really?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah, it's called A Steaming Pile of Me. And I was listening to it one night coming home from a club and just laughing out la- loud in the car and clapping, (clapping) clapping in the car.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:55

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Like, goddamn, this guy was good.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:57

       Yeah, what a pro.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       He was so good.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:59

       I mean, he was one of those guys that dressed... He put on a sharp outfit-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04

       ... with pleated pants. You know, really fucking corny, like, '90s looking-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       (laughs)

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:08

       ... you know, coll- the collar with no... You know, the, the rounded priest collar shirts.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Well, he was from Bensonhurst.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:14

       Oh, is that right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Yeah, yeah. It's th- that old school-

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:16

       Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       ... ginny mentality-

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:18

       Right, right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       ... from Brooklyn. (laughs)

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:20

       Yeah. And he would, uh, he would give you li- I can remember, like, at least three times he would call me an hour after my set and give me taglines to bits.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Wow.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:31

       Yeah, and they were fucking good.
2. 3:44 – 6:04

   Comedy as tribe and therapy: fear, risk, and camaraderie at the Store

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:44

      He's one of the saddest cases to me because I just don't think that... I don't know, like, how many friends he had, like, in comedy. I know he's really good friends with Chris Rock.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons3:53

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      And he worked with Chris a lot. Like, he was, like, a punch-up guy for Chris a lot. But I don't, I don't... You know, I don't know if anybody was there to just be his... I think that's a big thing for us because we're so... Like, I think comics are some of the weirdest fucking people-

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      ... but I gravitate towards them. Like I've always said, if I run into a comic at the airport I'm like, "Oh, look."

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:16

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      "It's one of us."

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:17

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      You know? Just we're weird.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:19

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       It's a weird job, we're weird people, we're all crazy. I've never met one of us that isn't crazy.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:24

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       And I think sometimes we need each other to go, "Yeah, it's all right."

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:29

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       "You're all right. Everybody loves you, man." Like...

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:31

       Yeah, going to The Comedy Store for me is definitely like a therapy session.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:35

       I feel... And it's... Partly it's that you're performing and you're getting the positive feedback, and part of it is that you're running into people. And I mean, it could be anybody. It could be, uh, an Asian female comic, it could be a f- It could be Don Barris. Like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Yep.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:50

       ... the spectrum of different types. But like you said, there's something that... There's a thread that runs through all of it, which is like this, this feeling that... Like MMA, we're gonna get in the ring. We are, we are going to face an audience at some point that night, and there's a charge to that. Like, there's a fear. I don't care who the fuck you are. You can deny you're afraid when you go on stage, every... But it's in there somewhere, we've just gotten so good at dealing with it that it doesn't show and sometimes we're not even aware of it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       And if it's not there, that means you're probably not taking any chances.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:23

       Right, right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       That's not good.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:24

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       'Cause then you'll have that dull thing going on stage, and then you'll bomb, and then you'll really have fear-

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:28

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       ... when you're doing jokes that you think are killer-

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       ... and they're just eating plates of shit up there-

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:32

       Yeah.
3. 6:04 – 9:12

   Dropping competitiveness: stacking the deck vs. leveling up

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:04

      ... yet we survived. You know, they, and there's so many guys that I came up... You know, we came up with guys that I, I would have... I was competitive when I started out and there were these guys I had bad blood with. And I see those guys now and they're like my brothers-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      Yeah.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:17

      ... because we went through it together.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:19

      Yeah. I know. The, the competitive thing, I've talked about that a lot, like, I had to give that up. I had that when I was a kid, when I was, like, 21-ish, uh, 'cause it was still leftover from the martial arts days-

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:30

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      ... like, martial arts competition. Then I, like, I would want people to do bad and then I realized, like, that is so stupid.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:36

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:37

      Like, that has n- zero effect on me. Like, when they're up there, if they're doing good that'll just make me better. It'll just make me work harder.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:45

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:45

       But if they do bad, like, I want... Like, that's the thing some comedians do. They will take a terrible comic on the road with them so they can look like a hero.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:53

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       It's a, a common thing, right? They... It's called stacking the deck.

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:56

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       Like, they'll stack the deck. They'll have, like, just some tortuous act for a half an hour and then they go up and look like a monster.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       And that's not the way to do it, I don't think.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:06

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       I think the way to do it is the opposite. Just have a bunch of murderers on in front of you and have fun with it.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:10

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       And everybody have fun.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:12

       Yeah. I, I think that you, y- y-... I love... I mean, there's... I don't like going on after D'Elia. There's, like, o- one or two guys that I just don't like going on after and, uh, b- but in general-

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Why don't you like going on after D'Elia?

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:29

       I just feel like he's so physical and big.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       (laughs)

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:33

       And that doesn't really... It shouldn't affect me but I just feel like when he gets off the crowd is just, like, in this mode of, like, euphoria.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       (laughs)

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:43

       And it's kinda like, all right, I'm gonna t-

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       (coughs)

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:45

       ... I'm gonna take it down a couple notches-

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       Mm-hmm.
4. 9:12 – 12:49

   Filming a special: over-rehearsal, punchline timing, and the touring grind

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      Like, working on your shit. I'm in this weird place right now with my act where I'm getting ready to film a special.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:18

      How are you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      So I'm f- s- hyper examining-

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      ... everything. Going over everything with a fine tooth comb. But the problem with that is you go over everything too much and then it starts getting real blurry.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:28

      Oh, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:29

      Like, "What am I looking at?"

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      "What is this?"

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:31

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       You know?

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:32

       And you start landing... I find that I start landing on the punchlines too hard.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       Oh.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:37

       Instead of talking it out, instead of, like, being s- ... Like, the more I do it, the more I know, "All right, this is where they laugh," and I sort of-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Yeah.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:45

       ... and there's sort of, like, y- I stick it too much instead of flowing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       Yeah.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:49

       And so when I... When you do the special it's almost like a... You gotta take, take a little time off before you do it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       Yeah, there's a number of sets you do where you're, you're in the groove and it's tight and everything feels good, and then there's a number that you do too much and everything gets kinda flat.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:06

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       You gotta find that.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:08

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       Like, what is that?

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:09

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       You know? Wonder if they have that in other things? Like, if that's... It must be the case with bands, right? When they tour. They must get so sick of fucking singing the same song over and over and over and over again.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:18

       I mean, I saw The Beach Boys recently and, uh, they fucking love it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       Really?

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:23

       They love being up there. You know, you can see it and you can feel it. You know, I think it goes to another level. I think there becomes a communication with the fans.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Mm-hmm.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:31

       With bands that we don't necessarily have the same thing.
5. 12:49 – 23:08

   Wildlife reality check: Alaska surprises, predators, and strange animals

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:49

      You know, they say that there was a, uh, an eagle at one point in time that they think was preying on early humans.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:55

      No shit?

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:56

      Yeah. They think that there's been some giant raptors in the past, and they found some old primate bones, some old ancient, you know, ancestors of human beings that had, uh, what looked like claw marks on their skulls-

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:08

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:08

      ... where their brains had been picked out of their skull and clawed out.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:11

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:13

      There was an eagle like that in N- New Zealand. It was called the Haast eagle. It was an enormous eagle in New Zealand, like way bigger than any of the eagles that we have alive today.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:21

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:21

      And they think it might've jacked a few people.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:23

       Wow. Well, Colorado, I'm sure when you lived out there, people, you can't leave your dog outside.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       No. Like my dog got eaten there.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:30

       Oh, no shit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Yeah. I had a bit about it in my act.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:33

       No shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       Yeah. My littlest dog.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:36

       What kind of dog was it?

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       He was, um, a Pomeranian American Eskimo mix.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:42

       That's a decent-sized dog, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       No, he was real little.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:45

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       He was like this big.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:46

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       He was like maybe 30 pounds. Tiny little guy.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:50

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       He got jacked.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons13:51

       Did you see him get jacked?

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       No, but we saw the cat hanging around the property. We saw the cat in the area. And then there was, there was definitely evidence that something had gone down.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons14:02

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       (smacks lips) Yeah.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons14:04

       Fuck.
6. 23:08 – 26:01

   Massages, crystals, and skepticism: when wellness gets weird

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:08

      Oh, that's so weird. Massages are fucking weird, man.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:13

      It's weird. I mean, it's obviously ... There's, there's a physical aspect to it, like you want your muscles to be manipulated because it's very good for them, and you get loose some kinks and a lot of, like, weird stuff that's knotted up. But there's also the pleasure aspect of it.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:29

      Yeah. Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      You know? It's pleasurable.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:31

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:31

      Like, it feels good to have someone touch you.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:34

      Oh, my God. I mean, your skin is your biggest organ.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:37

      Yeah.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:37

       And they, they talk about emotionally and psychically what it means to have skin-to-skin contact. And for an hour, somebody is devoting their skin to your skin.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:47

       Yeah.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:47

       I mean, think about it. You have sex with your wife. You're touching for, you know, 15, 20 minutes, one part of you, little groping, you cry.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       (laughs)

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons23:56

       But to have a sensual touch like that ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       Yeah. For an hour.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:01

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       And also, like, uh, the energy that you must get. Like, when you're a person who's doing that all day, like, you're putting out a lot of energy.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:11

       Yeah. Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:11

       And you're getting energy from those people.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:13

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:14

       Like, some people must feel weird.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:16

       Yeah. I've talking ... I've talked to masseuse who say that they have to, uh, discharge energy after a massage. They do ... And these are more like touchy-feely kinda masseuses.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       Freezes. Crazy crystal people.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:27

       Yeah. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:28

       Yeah.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:28

       That one that she, she would put crystals in my belly button.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       Oh.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:32

       And then my arm would be down, and she would hold my arm and tell me to raise my arm-

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       Mm-hmm.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons24:36

       ... to see what the pressure was. And then she could tell by that which herbal remedies I needed for my allergies.
7. 26:01 – 30:42

   Supplements and diet: vitamins, sugar crashes, bread inflammation, and weight loss

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:01

      Well, what do you say to people who, uh, don't think that vitamins are helpful?

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      Well, that's silly. There's a lot of studies that show that vitamins are healthy, and we under-

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:08

      But there's a lot of studies that say they're not.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:10

      (coughs) Eh, not really. I mean, uh, too much vitamins was, excessive vitamins-

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:15

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:15

      ... doesn't make any sense. But the studies that show that vitamins are beneficial, they're pretty specific. They're s- pretty specific in terms of, like, if you get your blood work done, right, for instance, (sniffs) and you are short ... A lot of people are short of vitamin D. Vitamin D is a big one. Vitamin B is also a big one. B, B12.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:34

      Which is the one you get from the sun.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:36

      That's D.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:37

      That's D, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:37

       D3 is a good one too, and that, that one's good for muscle development and a lot of other functions. There's a lot of shit that vitamins are good for. Fish oil is fantastic. It's very good for reducing inflammation. There's a lot of supplements that are 100% legit. But there's a lot of doctors that don't know anything about nutrition that'll tell you, "All you need is a balanced meal."

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:00

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       "All you need is a balanced meal." Well, if you had a balanced meal, kind of, yeah.

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:05

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:05

       If you really made sure that you ate a certain portion of vegetables, green leafy, dark vegetables that have a lot of vitamins, and, and if you made sure that you have the, the right amount of protein and-

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:14

       Fruit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       Yeah. Fruit. Some, some fruit. You don't have too many fruits-

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:17

       You're not a big, you're not a proponent of eating too much fruit, right? Didn't you tell me, like, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       It's a lot of sugar in it.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:22

       ... like, juices, most juices are too high in sugar?

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       Yeah. If you drink a big glass of orange juice, your body has a really hard time differentiating that between a big glass of soda or-

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:32

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:33

       ... fucking High C or some shit like that.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:35

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       It's like, if it has 30 grams of sugar, it has 30 grams of sugar.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:38

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:38

       I mean, that's what it is. It's 30 grams of sugar.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:40

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       The fact that it's coming out of an orange, that's great, but you're not supposed to drink it like that. An orange is supposed to be something you eat.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:46

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:47

       Like, and when you eat it, you get all the fiber, your body breaks it down slower. You're just getting this fucking mainline of sugar right into your system.
8. 30:42 – 42:44

   Testosterone, head trauma, and neck training: jiu-jitsu wear-and-tear

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:42

      Do you ever get your hormones checked?

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:43

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      No? You probably should.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:45

      See if the testosterone level's there?

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      Yeah. You know, that's a, a major factor in depression.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:51

      ... no shit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:51

      Major factor, yeah.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:52

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:52

      It's a major factor in people with, um, head injuries.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons30:56

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Um, people that have, uh, come back from war that have been, um, you know, like a lot of IEDs, been around a lot of explosions, been jolted a lot, um, football players, of course boxers, MMA fighters. Um-

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:08

       They lose testosterone-

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       Mm-hmm.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:09

       ... as they get older.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       You get pituitary damage.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:12

       Hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Uh, your pituitary gland apparently is incredibly sensitive and some people get it that are jet skiers. They're into jet skiing because just the bam, bam, bam!

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:20

       Yeah, right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       All that bouncing and headbanging-

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:22

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       ... headbanging is fucking terrible for you. Like if you-

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:24

       My son plays soccer and he heads these-

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Ooh.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:26

       The goalie will kick the ball all the way down the field and then I'll see him head it and I'll be like, "Dude, just-"

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Don't do it.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:31

       "... let it fucking bounce."

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Yeah. Yeah.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:34

       That's heavy impact.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       It is and soccer players get it a lot.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons31:38

       He got a concussion from heading against another guy once.
9. 42:44 – 55:24

   Old comedy lives: mob-building NYC apartment, lost friends, sobriety culture, Boston road chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:44

      Dude, I remember when you lived in Little Italy in a mob-owned building.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons42:47

      That's right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:48

      (laughs)

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons42:48

      Yeah. Tony and Gladys were my landlords.

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:50

      That's right.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons42:51

      And they had, uh, they'd had the apartment... They raised their kids there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:55

      Wow.

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons42:55

      And they were like, they were like in their late 70s. And so, they, their, their son, Gregory-... who was, uh, in construction and lived in Brooklyn-

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:05

      Air, air quotes-

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       ... construction?

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:07

       He was in construction. And so he bought them a condo around the corner because it was a f-... It was a six-floor walk-up.

   13. JRJoe Rogan43:13

       Wow.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:13

       And so, one f-... You can pull it up on the screen, 142 Mulberry Street.

   15. JRJoe Rogan43:16

       Explain to people that don't know what that means.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:19

       That means you walk up six flights of stairs.

   17. JRJoe Rogan43:20

       Yeah.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:21

       And-

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:21

       Like, with couches and shit.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:22

       Yeah. Right, right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:23

       Yeah.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:24

       Well, their... All their furniture was there when I got there. They let me keep... And it was, I'm not making this up, plastic on the furniture.

   23. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       (laughs)

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:30

       And I found, uh, I found a, uh, an ease... A phone eavesdropping thing, like, where you could record phone calls-

   25. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       What?

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:37

       ... in the drawer. And, um, they... I used to pay them the rent once a month, not by check. They wanted cash. And it was... George MacDonald lived with me. And, uh, we would walk down this... And, and Lauren Dubrowski. We'd walk down the street to Spring Street, go to their condo, and we'd give them... If it was $600, we'd give that to Gladys and Tony.

   27. JRJoe Rogan43:59

       Look at it right there.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons43:59

       And they would ma-... Yeah, there we go.

   29. JRJoe Rogan44:01

       (laughs)

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:01

       And they would make cappuccinos and cannolis.
10. 55:24 – 1:04:29

    Nostalgia, gambling heartbreak, and the ethics of performance enhancement

    1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:24

       ... when I work at a casino, there'll always be that band in the lounge that's playing, like, Born to Be Wild-

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:28

       Yeah.

    3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:28

       ... and all those songs. And, like, you'll see people that are, like, 57 dancing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:34

       Mm-hmm.

    5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:34

       And you, and you see them and they're dancing, and it's like they're just reliving the only joy they had in their life, which was, like, when they were young-

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:41

       (sighs)

    7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:42

       ... dancing to rock. And this band is fucking ... They're gods to them.

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:47

       Mm-hmm. (smacks lips) You know, the, the time when you're young, when you're having fun, is so fleeting.

    9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:54

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:56

        Then all of a sudden, responsibilities stack up.

    11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons55:58

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        And all of a sudden, you know, you have to pay bills. You have obligations. You have so much that you have to think about.

    13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:06

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan56:07

        For so many people, there's just, there's this period of their life where they look back to whimsically, like, "That was the time when I was free."

    15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:15

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:16

        "I was young and my dick got hard all the time."

    17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:20

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan56:22

        (laughs)

    19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:22

        I could go two or three times.

    20. JRJoe Rogan56:24

        Ooh, three times in a night, you're like-

    21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:26

        Shit.

    22. JRJoe Rogan56:27

        ... "I'm wild, man. I can't believe it."

    23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:28

        And you think anything is possible.

    24. JRJoe Rogan56:30

        Yeah.

    25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:30

        I mean, that's really-

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        Anything can happen.

    27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:32

        ... that's the loss of innocence-

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:33

        Yeah.

    29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons56:33

        ... is when you realize at a certain point that you do have to pick a path and stay on it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:38

        Oh, yeah. You better.
11. 1:04:29 – 1:19:02

    Parenting through sport: competition, losing, alpha impulses, and jiu-jitsu humility

    1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:29

       Well, son is, uh, good luck to Sam Ojai today in the, uh, soccer playoffs.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:33

       (sings)

    3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:33

       Third round, undefeated this year.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

       Do you like watching soccer?

    5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:38

       I love wa-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:39

       You like watching your son.

    7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:39

       I like watching it, but I love watching my son play.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

       Yeah, yeah.

    9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:43

       I just, I... There's few joys in the world like watching my son play soccer.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

        It's crazy, right?

    11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:47

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

        You meet a little person who's out there running around.

    13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:04:49

        Yeah, I know. And you just see... Well, because he's s- No matter how old your kid gets, you still see them as a little kid. And then when you see them out there on the field with these... And you see the size of the other guys and how aggressive they are and you're like, "Holy shit, my little kid is in there holding his own," and he's a physical player. And, uh, it's just, uh... And you know, you get to know the parents and the kids and it's like a whole... It's like being a fan of a sport but you actually know the players.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:14

        Yeah, yeah. There's, there's something also, I think, that's incredibly important for kids to learn how to compete.

    15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:21

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:21

        And also learn what it feels like to lose.

    17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:24

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:24

        And to... And that bad feeling.

    19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:25

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:25

        You know, there's a lot of people that grew up and they, they were never involved in competitive sports, they were never involved in any sort of competitive games.

    21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:32

        Mm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

        And they just don't know what it's like to lose.

    23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:34

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:34

        And I think that's a valuable lesson in life to... I think it, it teaches you a lot about rejection from, you know, the opposite sex or the same sex, if you're into that shit.

    25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:45

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

        Um, I think it teaches you a lot about not getting the job that you want, a lot... I think it teaches you a lot about real competition in the real world and it-

    27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:52

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:52

        It gets you used to that weird feeling of competing at a young age so it becomes normal.

    29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:05:58

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:58

        You know?

Episode duration: 2:28:31