Joe Rogan Experience #1112 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Boom, and we're live.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Boom, and we're live. B- back from Hawaii right before it fucking blows up and sinks into the ocean.

   2. CHCameron Hanes0:08

      Just in time.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Whoo! We barely made it. When we-

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      ... were flying above the big island, as we were flying above, it... What's the matter?

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:15

      Nothing's going, go ahead.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Oh, okay. As we were flying above the big island, a 6.9 earthquake blew up.

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:22

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      That's not good.

   10. CHCameron Hanes0:23

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Shane Dorian fucking lives there.

   12. CHCameron Hanes0:26

       We looked out the window and saw the island, like, explode and sink. Remember that?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       It was sad.

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:31

       That was sad.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       That was sad.

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:32

       But at least... I mean, we had a good hunt.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       People were surfing, though.

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:35

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       They caught those waves.

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:36

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       They were worried about a tsunami. Nah, it's not gonna sink, but it's gonna get bigger. That's what it is. I mean, the whole thing's a fucking volcano. People are shocked, "Wait, the volcano's a volcano?"

   22. CHCameron Hanes0:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah, you live on a goddamn volcano. (laughs)

   24. CHCameron Hanes0:48

       (laughs) Oh, cra-... I wish we would've been able to fly over it, though. How- how epic would that have been?

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       I know. Yeah. I was looking at the, like, the map of w- the way we fly. We fly so we can't see it the entire way.

   26. CHCameron Hanes0:59

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Which is bullshit.

   28. CHCameron Hanes1:00

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       And plus, it was cloudy-

   30. CHCameron Hanes1:02

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I, I gotta be…

   1. CHCameron Hanes15:00

      yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      I, I gotta be able to trust you with everything. If I can't trust you that you, you don't wanna tell everybody that you banged a porn star-

   3. CHCameron Hanes15:06

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      ... wouldn't it be great if he just had a, a, a press conference saying, "Ladies and gentlemen, who cares?"

   5. CHCameron Hanes15:11

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      "Who cares?"

   7. CHCameron Hanes15:12

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      "I, I, I enjoy sex."

   9. CHCameron Hanes15:14

      That would be good.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       "I enjoy sex. I'm a heterosexual man." Look at my-

   11. CHCameron Hanes15:16

       In his tenure-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       ... beautiful wife Melania." Yeah.

   13. CHCameron Hanes15:17

       Yeah. Ten years before he was elected or whatever it was.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Yeah.

   15. CHCameron Hanes15:20

       It's like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       It's like, "I shouldn't have fucked this porn star, but I couldn't help myself. I'm a pig."

   17. CHCameron Hanes15:24

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       "But I'm doing a good job as a president. The economy is up."

   19. CHCameron Hanes15:27

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       "Unemployment's down. Thank you. Good night." (laughs)

   21. CHCameron Hanes15:30

       Support the troops.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Support the troops. (laughs)

   23. CHCameron Hanes15:32

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Support the NRA.

   25. CHCameron Hanes15:33

       Hey, but what, here's one thing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       (coughs)

   27. CHCameron Hanes15:35

       So you say you can't trust him because if he'll lie about this stuff-

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Yeah.

   29. CHCameron Hanes15:39

       ... but, okay, so you say another president, how do you know they're not lying?

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       They are lying.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   It's- …

   1. CHCameron Hanes30:00

      And the reason that's happening is because the hunting had to move out. The hunting closed down or...... hunting is what pays for the anti-poaching efforts. But when hunting money isn't there, the poachers run rampant. 30,000 elephants. That's why they-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      It's-

   3. CHCameron Hanes30:15

      ... are devastated.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      It's such a-

   5. CHCameron Hanes30:17

      Not hunting.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      It's such a hard thing for people to swallow, because what I ... This is from the point of view of someone who loves wildlife, I think this is what people want. What they want is the humans to leave the animals alone and the animals to live in this state of bliss-

   7. CHCameron Hanes30:32

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      ... where they exist perfectly and the balance of nature, of predator and prey, all plays out in a natural way without people going over there and shooting elephants-

   9. CHCameron Hanes30:42

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       ... then sticking their tusks on their wall.

   11. CHCameron Hanes30:44

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       I mean, we've all seen those pictures of these giant fat fucks holding a rifle, standing over-

   13. CHCameron Hanes30:49

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       ... a lion, and you're like, "This just looks wrong."

   15. CHCameron Hanes30:52

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       It looks like American gluttony makes its way over to Africa and some guy shoots a lion with a rifle, now he's standing on its head and he's gonna-

   17. CHCameron Hanes31:01

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       ... put it on his wall in his-

   19. CHCameron Hanes31:02

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       ... fat fucking house somewhere. That bothers people.

   21. CHCameron Hanes31:06

       I get it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       I p- I get it too.

   23. CHCameron Hanes31:08

       I, I mean, I, I'm not arguing that, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Yeah. But you gotta fix Africa first.

   25. CHCameron Hanes31:12

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       And you, you're not trying. So this idea that if you just leave all those animals alone and stop hunting them, everything's gonna be fine. No, they're gonna be wiped out. You gotta ... People have to look at it pragmatically first, and then idealistically.

   27. CHCameron Hanes31:25

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       'Cause pragmatically, you have to understand that these animals, 20 years ago, were on the verge of extinction. So many different antelopes, so many different, uh, what we would call game animals, animals that people eat, were on the verge of extinction-

   29. CHCameron Hanes31:39

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       ... until they started instituting these big hunting concessions and having people come in from Europe and America and hunting in Africa. Then the community started to prosper because if someone's paying, you know ... I don't know, how much is it to shoot like a, a nilgai or something like that?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CHCameron Hanes45:00

      uh, Zinke scaled it back." That right there is like, "Why? What's going on?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CHCameron Hanes45:05

      Not really doing the research about... He's not s- he's just putting it back to what it was because he thought that it was a overreach by Obama. So, it's just, you know, these, these outfits, they're in business, um... You know, if everything's going good, th- there's really no reason for people to get fired up and contribute money, you know? Some of these, some of these... It's political in some respects. Business is political. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      That's very cynical, though. I, I, I, I see what you're saying, but I think that really what's going on is people are very concerned. And they see any movement and change-

   5. CHCameron Hanes45:40

      People are concerned-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      ... they freak out.

   7. CHCameron Hanes45:41

      ... but I'm talking to businesses.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:42

      Yeah, but even the businesses. Like, Patagonia's business is about the outdoors. That's their whole business.

   9. CHCameron Hanes45:47

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       So, they see anything that's changed and this... The Trump Administration, especially in, in the beginning when it came in, people were really worried about them in-

   11. CHCameron Hanes45:54

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       ... in terms of environmental concerns, right?

   13. CHCameron Hanes45:56

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       Because they had opened up offshore drilling, they had done-

   15. CHCameron Hanes45:58

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       ... a lot of things that people were really freaked out about. They had opened up... What was the area, Jamie, in Alaska where they were gonna open up drilling that was near, uh, s- salmon runs that people were very, very concerned about? They, they were concerned about the idea of money above nature.

   17. CHCameron Hanes46:15

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       Like, and then-

   19. CHCameron Hanes46:16

       I was... Me too.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Right. And who's making that money? You're not making money.

   21. CHCameron Hanes46:19

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       I'm not making any of that money. So, someone else is gonna make money off of what's supposed to be our land. And our public land, which you and I could maybe go, even though you don't like salmon, we could go salmon fishing-

   23. CHCameron Hanes46:32

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       ... in this land. Well, it could get fucked up by someone else making billions of dollars in oil or natural gas or whatever the fuck-

   25. CHCameron Hanes46:39

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       ... we do, if they contaminate that. I don't want that.

   27. CHCameron Hanes46:41

       No, I don't want that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       And I know you don't want that either.

   29. CHCameron Hanes46:42

       No.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       And the people from Patagonia don't want that either. So, when they see something like this come up, their red flags go up, they wanna get people outraged, they wanna get people activated because they think that there might be a chance that if you protest enough, you can stop something like this happening before it does.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:08

   Yeah. …

   1. CHCameron Hanes1:00:00

      that meat is ... I mean, the villagers that live there, man, it's ... They need it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes1:00:07

      And I ... There was a documentary on CNN recently called Trophy.And I remember, there's a scene in there where the hunter shot an elephant and it wasn't a big one. And the people were making fun of him for shooting it ... They're like, he's this small. They wanted a big elephant with lots of meat.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      Yeah.

   5. CHCameron Hanes1:00:23

      Okay? So, he, he got his quote, "trophy," they wanted more meat. So, it's like, you can have both. And that, that's ... I'll say trophy hunting, because guys aren't going over there for the meat. I get it. I mean, that's not why you go to Africa. You're going for the trophy, but also, that, that meat isn't going to waste.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

      Yeah. The meat is going to the villagers. It's not like they're gonna let it rot. And these people, I've seen it, I've seen videos of it, it's crazy, they show up with baskets on their head filled with elephant meat and they're carrying around like 150 pounds of meat on their head.

   7. CHCameron Hanes1:00:55

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      I mean, i- it's really nuts when you watch these people just run in and g- get chunks of this elephant.

   9. CHCameron Hanes1:01:02

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       And they need it. It's, it's really important protein for them.

   11. CHCameron Hanes1:01:05

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       They ... I ... The solution is very, very complicated. Africa is such an enormous place and the poverty is so intense.

   13. CHCameron Hanes1:01:14

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       And the options are so limited-

   15. CHCameron Hanes1:01:16

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       ... for these people. There is, this is not like a simple, like, ban the trophy hunting and the animals will live peacefully in the forest. Tweet, tweet, bird, bird. That's not what's gonna happen.

   17. CHCameron Hanes1:01:26

       Everything dies.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Yeah, it's not just that. Everything over there is really complicated. And I always tell people to watch the Louis Theroux documentary. He did a, a thing on this hunting thing in Africa and he was over there for a long time. And when he was over there, you got a sense ... 'Cause he's ... Louis Theroux is a really fascinating, uh, British documentary guy.

   19. CHCameron Hanes1:01:47

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       And, you know, he, he asks fantastic questions and he's, he's really polite and he like kind of pesters them-

   21. CHCameron Hanes1:01:53

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       ... over and over and over again until he gets to the heart of the matter. But at the end of the documentary you realize like, this is complex. This is not as simple as, hey, these mean people wanna go over there and kill animals-

   23. CHCameron Hanes1:02:04

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       ... and treat them as objects. The whole place is kind of, i- i- it's very, very confused.

   25. CHCameron Hanes1:02:11

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

       Like it's a, it's a mess.

   27. CHCameron Hanes1:02:13

       There's a, there's a video right now, uh, Jamie could probably find it. But, so there's, I think there's three hunters and they're over there and I can't remember if they're, they have bows and arrows or spears. But what they do, this lion kills an animal. For them to get meat, they run in there.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

       And chase off the lion.

   29. CHCameron Hanes1:02:33

       And chase off the lion and steal the meat.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

       Yeah. I've seen that.

Episode duration: 2:56:01