Joe Rogan Experience #1122 - Donnie Vincent

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Five, four, three, two,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Five, four, three, two, one. (rock music) Donny Vincent.

   2. DVDonnie Vincent0:08

      What's going on?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      How are you, buddy?

   4. DVDonnie Vincent0:09

      Good. Really good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      I'm very excited that you didn't know about floating at all. You didn't know about float tanks even remotely until you came here.

   6. DVDonnie Vincent0:15

      Yeah. And it's wicked looking.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      It's fun, man. If you got time after the show, you could float. If you wanna do it.

   8. DVDonnie Vincent0:22

      (sighs) I might have to do it just to say that I've done it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Yeah.

   10. DVDonnie Vincent0:25

       But yeah, I- I- I didn't know the science behind it. Um, other than obviously floating.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Right.

   12. DVDonnie Vincent0:32

       Would be, you know-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Just feels good.

   14. DVDonnie Vincent0:34

       ... just to meditate-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   16. DVDonnie Vincent0:35

       ... and just to sit there in a quiet like ... You know when you- when you're a little kid and you go in a swimming pool or something and you put your ears just under the water and you get that kinda (clicks tongue) ?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   18. DVDonnie Vincent0:42

       When everything's just peaceful and you can just sit there and you can't hear your mother or you can't hear your girlfriend or whatever, and it's just quiet.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Right. (laughs)

   20. DVDonnie Vincent0:47

       I assume it's a lot like that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Uh, it's very telling that you said two women.

   22. DVDonnie Vincent0:51

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       You didn't say your dad, you didn't say your grandpa. (laughs)

   24. DVDonnie Vincent0:53

       Yeah. Well, my- my dad never talked to me.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   26. DVDonnie Vincent0:55

       Maybe that's a whole nother subject matter.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Well, that's another part of the problem probably.

   28. DVDonnie Vincent0:58

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       But, uh, yeah, I- I am trying to get floating spread across the world. I think it's the best way for people to relax. There's nothing like it. 'Cause first of all, physically you relax 'cause the- the water has so much Epsom salts in it and it's just really good for your muscles.

   30. DVDonnie Vincent1:12

       Mm-hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, there's a long…

   1. DVDonnie Vincent15:00

      in BC and son of a bitch, we have number one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Well, there's a long history of wolves-

   3. DVDonnie Vincent15:04

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      ... kill- killing people though-

   5. DVDonnie Vincent15:05

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      ... in the past.

   7. DVDonnie Vincent15:06

      Yeah. I'm, I'm just saying, you know-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      (laughs)

   9. DVDonnie Vincent15:07

      ... like, you know, in m- in recorded time. But it was still, it was, it was, uh ... And he maintained eye contact, turned and then just continued on with the hunt, but it was-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       Fuck.

   11. DVDonnie Vincent15:15

       It was-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Did you film all this?

   13. DVDonnie Vincent15:16

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, we filmed as much as we could 'cause it happened really fast. But yeah, it was wicked. Absolutely wicked. I mean, literally his, you know, his dorsal fin's probably 10 feet tall.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Yeah.

   15. DVDonnie Vincent15:25

       And it is just ... You know, when you drag something against another a- a- an ina- an im- object with force, you know, his fin is just ... You know, he was just, uh, very engaged-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       God.

   17. DVDonnie Vincent15:36

       ... with the boat and-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Is the dorsal fin really that tall?

   19. DVDonnie Vincent15:39

       Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's gotta be eight, nine, 10 feet.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       That's fucking crazy.

   21. DVDonnie Vincent15:44

       Yeah. Huge.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       I, I guess it makes sense. They're so big. Fuck, man, I've never seen one in the wild. I've seen dolphins in the wild and I've seen whales in the wild.

   23. DVDonnie Vincent15:52

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       I've never seen an orca.

   25. DVDonnie Vincent15:53

       Yeah, they're wick- ... I mean, wicked animals.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       I always-

   27. DVDonnie Vincent15:55

       We don't even, we can't even comprehend what that animal is.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       I always said that if orcas weren't real and Bigfoot was real, we wouldn't give a shit about Bigfoot. Bigfoot would be in the zoo right next to the fucking orangutans.

   29. DVDonnie Vincent16:06

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       You know, we'd be like, "Look at the big monkey."
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. DVDonnie Vincent30:00

      the, the microbes. You don't have these, uh, funguses. You don't have these symbiotic relationships that are working with all these-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Right.

   3. DVDonnie Vincent30:07

      ... insects and microbes that are ... So that, that create your soil to be a living system.... we've ... As, as we push all that into the plant, then we harvest it and we just keep doing that repeatedly, well, there's less and less of this biomass in the soil, so we have to then go in and fertilize with nitrogen and phosphorus to give our plants nitrogen fixation, things like this, to grow these plants.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Mm-hmm.

   5. DVDonnie Vincent30:28

      Then we harvest them, then rains come, there's erosion, all of these soils. So, we lose some of our top soils, which brings us down to even more other, uh, different levels of soils that need even more chemicals brought into them so they can actually grow something. But all these soils that are heavily laden with, with nitrogen and phosphorus pour into the Mississippi River. And people know about this. I'm not saying anything that isn't ... um, hasn't been extremely well-documented, and then pushes down to the Gulf of Mexico. The sunlight hits it, all of this, uh, alg- algal blooms happen, all this algae hits this nitrogen and phosphorus, it grows it just like it grows a cornstalk. The, the sunlight hits it, it, it have these huge blooms that needs oxygen to function, so it creates these huge hypoxic zones, right? You've heard these things called dead zones. Fish can't live in them. And so, anyone that's ... hangs their hat on being a vegetarian or ... and I know there's reasons for being a vegetarian. I know there's people that, um, refuse to ... they, they don't wanna kill the animal themselves, um, and, and, um, and they're not gonna buy it from a factory farm. I probably have more in common with vegetarian people tha- that don't wanna kill their own animals and, and, um, aren't willing to eat factory-grown food tha- than I have with some of my, uh, hunters tha- w- with other hunters.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:47

      I know what you're saying.

   7. DVDonnie Vincent31:48

      It seems.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:49

      Yeah.

   9. DVDonnie Vincent31:49

      And, um, and, and I also, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm so focused on conservation and, and habitat and being aware. And it's not ... and it's not ever present, but I- I have this awareness of when I go and hunt some place that, you know, am I ... am I actually doing something good here? Am I ... You know, I, I went a few years ago to Newfoundland to hunt woodland caribou and the population was really down. And so, I got, I got invited to go there and, and, um, so I started looking into it because the population was down. I was like, "Man, should I really, really be doing this?" And I ... through my research, I found out this population of caribou is really cyclic, and as, as they fall really low, they, they thrive. It's, it's one of the best times for the caribou. And actually, when their populations are at a huge boom, they do the worst. And so, uh, I wanted-

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:35

       Is that because they eat too much of the lichen? Like-

   11. DVDonnie Vincent32:37

       Yeah. So, they, they just ... their habitat resource just starts to be overladen then they have another, another bust. And so, um, so I went and did it, but th- there's, there's a constant yin and yang. And, and as a hunter, as a, as a vegetarian, even if you wanna claim veganism, all of these things we should be asking ourselves big questions. This whole thing, everything lives here in a gray area. There is no black and white.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       Right.

   13. DVDonnie Vincent33:01

       I'm not against vegetarians, I'm not against vegans. If a vegan comes up to me and says, "How in the hell can you kill an animal and wear leather shoes?" I say, "Shit, that's a really good point." And let me ask myself 'cause I'm gonna have to sit down in a qu- quiet float tank and think about myself, like, what ... I, I should be asking myself some of these big questions a- and as should they. I just think there's a lot of information that we should keep asking ourselves, keep asking ourselves because if the population of human beings continues exponentially, which it will, until this major event than I, uh, that everyone thinks is coming, hunters should almost be the first ones, uh, to give up hunting if, if it trends towards that someday. If, if it gets to be there's not enough wildlife or wild lands or something fantastic happens, like, hunters should be the first ones. They should be on the front line of being aware of the habitat and the resources and say, "Hey, you know what? We need to back off." And, um, and I've seen it before. It's actually really cool. A few, few years ago, this is a micro instance, but a few years ago n- ... actually, a few years ago isn't. It's a long time ago. In 1991, a huge blizzard hit in Wisconsin, um, on Halloween day. And, um, the Wisconsin Deer Hunters Association shut down whitetail hunting overnight. They said, "There is no deer hunting this year. It's canceled. It's done. There's no legal deer hunting this year." And then all of these deer hunters were taking their tractors out on these public lands and on their private lands and plowing areas for the deer to walk around and the deer to move around in. And so, there's, there's all sorts of instances about it, but y- y- you get what I'm saying. I think we have to keep asking ourselves these questions as we, as we move through our time and space.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:45

       I think it's real important and what you said about, you know, what you're essentially saying is that people ... this has always been my problem with people that proselytize or people that are, uh, that are really into proclaiming that they have the moral high ground because they eat only vegetables. That high ground is filled with holes. You're gonna step in one of those holes if you keep talking-

   15. DVDonnie Vincent35:07

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:07

       ... because the, the more angry you get at people that hunt and the more angry you get at the people that eat meat, you have to understand that if you're eating vegetables just by fact that you're buying them from a factory farm, you're buying them from large-scale agriculture, you're absolutely responsible for death. And the death of fish, I- I'm glad you brought that up because of those dead zones in the ocean, that, that's a gigantic problem.

   17. DVDonnie Vincent35:29

       Oh my God.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       It's a gigantic problem and it's, it's a problem that's caused in large part by larg- large-scale agriculture, as you said. I think that one of these problems is gonna be solved by, um, factory-created meat. The problem is how many other problems are gonna be created by that? I don't know-

   19. DVDonnie Vincent35:46

       You mean gen- like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:47

       Yeah, that-

   21. DVDonnie Vincent35:48

       ... like made meat?

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:48

       Mm-hmm.

   23. DVDonnie Vincent35:49

       Like out of soy? Or out of-

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:51

       No, no. No, no, no. No. They're, they're making meat in laboratories.

   25. DVDonnie Vincent35:54

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:55

       Laboratory-created meat.

   27. DVDonnie Vincent35:57

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:57

       And they're ... what they're ... I don't know exactly what the process is-

   29. DVDonnie Vincent36:00

       What's the-

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:00

       ... but it's flesh.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, Rinella was telling…

   1. DVDonnie Vincent45:00

      we'll keep it, but we'll, we'll share with you, for sure. We'll definitely share some with you." But, it's phenomenal.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Yeah, Rinella was telling me that it's the, literally the greatest meat on Earth. Like, when you have a bear that's been eating nothing but blueberries, and he did a, an episode of Meat Eater once where he shot one and as he's opening it up, you see purple fat.

   3. DVDonnie Vincent45:18

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Because the bear's been eating blueberries for so long, their fat is purple.

   5. DVDonnie Vincent45:22

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      It made me think about my own diet, quite honestly, because if this thing tastes so good and smells so good because of what it's eating, like, if you're eating, like, fucking cheeseburgers and fries, like, that's gotta be in your fat, that's gotta... All that bullshit food.

   7. DVDonnie Vincent45:36

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      You know, fucking donuts. That's gotta be in your-

   9. DVDonnie Vincent45:39

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       ... cells.

   11. DVDonnie Vincent45:39

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Like, you literally are what you eat.

   13. DVDonnie Vincent45:42

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       We know it, but do you internalize it? I think when you see a bear that has purple fat, maybe you internalize it even more.

   15. DVDonnie Vincent45:49

       I think so.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Yeah.

   17. DVDonnie Vincent45:50

       I mean, any time you're able to spend, you know, uh, you know, you're, you're dismantling an animal or something like that, you actually get to see these things and yeah, if you have the same perspective or wherewithal that we were talking about a few minutes ago, that's when you sit there and go, "Wait a minute, you're not just mindlessly skinning this bear." You're sitting there going, "Does my fat look like Skittles?"

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       (laughs)

   19. DVDonnie Vincent46:12

       "Because I pounded a bag of Skittles yesterday."

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Right.

   21. DVDonnie Vincent46:15

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:15

       I heard they, they, they are gross, though, if they've been eating, like, a rotten moose. I've heard if you, uh, if you eat a bear that's been eating rotten meat, that it's pretty fucking gross.

   23. DVDonnie Vincent46:23

       I've heard that too, but I've eaten them and it was fine.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Really?

   25. DVDonnie Vincent46:26

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       What, you, you ate one that ate a rotten moose?

   27. DVDonnie Vincent46:28

       Well, I've, I've eaten one that has eat- was eating a rotten whale.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       (groans)

   29. DVDonnie Vincent46:33

       And, uh, the whale was like, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:07

   But they have no…

   1. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:00

      you know, I don't know how successful they are at repopulating. You know, we almost hunted them to extinction at the turn of the century and they're just starting to kind of make... they're, uh, starting to expand now back into their, some of their original territories. Um, but he's like, "Hey, man." Donny's like, "This is a great animal to take. This is an area that receives very little lion hunting. We have to take some of these lions out." And he showed me data that they had on this one lion a- and I don't wanna misquote the data, but basically, this single lion had removed, like, 9 or 11% of this particular sheep herd in a year.... just like boom, boom, boom. And this dude knew the game. He knew where to kill, he knew how to kill, and he killed-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

      But they have no chance. I mean, he's just a super predator.

   3. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:41

      They have no chance. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      You have no chance.

   5. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:42

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      If he finds them, he's gonna kill them.

   7. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:44

      Yeah, they're remarkable.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

      He runs faster, he's stronger, and if he gets ahold of them, they never, they never lose.

   9. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:48

      No.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       It's not like a, like a, a deer gets away. No, they, they, they win every time.

   11. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:52

       No. So, it's r- so it's right down the same, like, you know, same path as all the predators.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Yeah.

   13. DVDonnie Vincent1:00:57

       It's like, you know, you just... It, it leads to really good discussions about people get upset when you kill predators.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       They get very upset with... It's really strange, because they don't, they don't have any problem with the predator killing deer, and they have less problem with people killing deer. But they have a real problem with people killing predators, and I believe it's the same problem they have with, like, Cecil the lion and shit like that. They think that you're just doing it to be an asshole and you just want this thing on your wall.

   15. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:21

       Well, I-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       You want a head on your wall.

   17. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:23

       I do have some contention, and you tell me, in like, like for instance, like the grizzly bear issue being shut down in BC, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

       Yeah.

   19. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:30

       Grizzly bear-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       Grizzly bear hunting. Maybe you can explain that for people-

   21. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:33

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       ... who don't understand what's going on with that.

   23. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:35

       Yeah. So, so the government, the British Columbia government shut down British Columb- British Columbia grizzly bear hunting because they equated it, and I guess they're probably correct, with trophy hunting.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Mm-hmm.

   25. DVDonnie Vincent1:01:46

       Right? To where hunters were killing these animals and just taking the skulls and hides and leaving the flesh behind. And, um, and I don't know, I've never, uh... Have I? I grizzly bear hunted in BC once, but I was actually more on a sheep hunt. But, um, yeah, just this notion of, like, like the gentleman that killed Cecil the lion. Like, if you're really going to kill an animal and, uh, just take its hide, uh, then I've a pretty significant issue with that. And so, like, I, I just hope these hunters, the, the guys that were hunting the grizzly bears, I just, I wonder if this was more of a hunter-instilled issue than, than, um, people are even bringing light into it. 'Cause if, if people were killing grizzly bears in British Columbia, taking their hides, taking their skulls, and taking all of the flesh, I feel like we'd still be grizzly bear hunting in British Columbia.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

       (inhales deeply) I don't know. I mean, maybe. Maybe. But grizzly bears are another notch up, even above black bears, in terms of, like-

   27. DVDonnie Vincent1:02:49

       Correct, yep.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

       ... what Rinella calls charismatic megafauna. People love those things-

   29. DVDonnie Vincent1:02:54

       Charismatic megafauna.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:54

       ... 'cause they like to see them.

Episode duration: 2:36:08