Joe Rogan Experience #1167 - Larry Sharpe

Joe Rogan 0:00 Ready, five, four, three, two, one. (claps) Larry Sharp. How are you, sir?

Larry Sharpe 0:08 I am doing great. Thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:10 Uh, before we get started, I like you.

Larry Sharpe 0:12 Oh, that's good.

Joe Rogan 0:13 I like you a lot. I like what you're saying, man.

Larry Sharpe 0:15 I'm winning already.

Joe Rogan 0:15 I'm, I'm just telling you right now, up front, I've been listening to a lot of your interviews, watching a lot of your interviews.

Larry Sharpe 0:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:21 You make sense. You, you-

Larry Sharpe 0:22 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 0:23 It's almost like you know you can't win, so you're talking so logically, it's, you might win.

Larry Sharpe 0:29 The-

Joe Rogan 0:29 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 0:29 Yeah. The, the, the, the hope is-

Joe Rogan 0:32 I believe you. (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 0:32 ... the, the people who actually have given up-

Joe Rogan 0:33 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 0:33 ... who think it's so stupid, they don't bother voting, right? So, the, the hope is I say something that makes sense and they go, "Oh, maybe I should vote. Oh my God, maybe I should vote." If those people vote-

Joe Rogan 0:44 You win.

Larry Sharpe 0:44 ... I win.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Yeah, there's an untapped resource-

Larry Sharpe 0:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:47 ... of unmotivated people who are too fu-

Larry Sharpe 0:48 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 0:49 But how do we fix that? Is it, is it a matter of getting people... I, I believe firmly that if we could get people to register and vote online-

Larry Sharpe 0:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:58 ... especially with their phones, it changes the world.

Larry Sharpe 1:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01 I really, really, really believe that, and I think that this is also a concern of the people that are in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

Larry Sharpe 1:08 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:08 And I don't think they want that.

Larry Sharpe 1:09 100%. Look, they-

Joe Rogan 1:10 I-

Larry Sharpe 1:10 ... they rely, they're relying on voter apathy.

Joe Rogan 1:13 They're-

Larry Sharpe 1:13 They rely on that.

Joe Rogan 1:13 ... also relying on people who are committed to their parties and-

Larry Sharpe 1:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:16 ... who are politically active.

Larry Sharpe 1:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Which is not the majority of the people.

Larry Sharpe 1:20 It's the establishment, right?

Joe Rogan 1:21 Yes.

Larry Sharpe 1:21 I mean, look, you asked how we fix this. Bernie and Trump actually told us this in 2016. They told us two things. Number one, if you can get people to an event, you can get them to the polling station. Number one. That's why they did a lot of events. I do over 30 events every month. I am always doing events, getting people to show up, because if I can get them to show up to my event, I can get them to a polling booth, right? 'Cause to come to s- to hear me speak, you have a lot of choices out there. You could be on Netflix, you could be hanging out with your family and friends, you could be playing a video game. You choose to come hear me speak, you'll come to the polling station. That's number one. But how do I get them to care in the first place? It's hope. The average person who votes often, right, if you vote often, you usually vote because of fear. The two-party system installs fear, right? I don't really care about my guy or gal, but I'm so afraid of the other guy, I'll go out and support my guy or gal, even though I don't know his name. I just know I don't like the red team, so I vote blue. I don't like the blue team, so I vote red. But to get someone who doesn't vote, and New York State's really bad. New York State, about 70% of New Yorkers don't vote. It's a huge chunk, over seven million New Yorkers.

Joe Rogan 2:18 70%.

Larry Sharpe 2:19 Yes, 70%. Yeah. Last election, I think it was 67%, so it, it hovers around 70. To get those people out, you have to give them hope. Bernie gave the left hope, Trump gave the right hope. If the Democratic Party wasn't so broken as a party, Bernie would have been their nominee. It would have been hope against hope.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 2:36 It was hope against establishment, hope won. That's how it works. I'm hope. The other two guys who are running in my, in my, um, election, they're totally establishment.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Well, you say some really logical things. One of the things that you've said that nobody wants to touch, you, you were talking about gun violence.

Larry Sharpe 2:52 Yup.

Joe Rogan 2:52 And you were talking about these mass shootings.

Larry Sharpe 2:55 Yup.

Joe Rogan 2:55 And you said there's two things that they have in common.

Larry Sharpe 2:56 Yup.

Joe Rogan 2:57 One of them, they don't have relationships, they're not, they don't have girlfriends.

Larry Sharpe 3:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:00 They don't have boyfriends. Well, it's almost always girl, uh, uh, guy that does it.

Larry Sharpe 3:03 Yeah. Usually it's-

Joe Rogan 3:04 They don't, uh, and usually-

Larry Sharpe 3:04 Boys tend to be more violent and they tend, males tend to, people gonna get mad at me being sexist, but I'm just doing stats.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Let's just stop.

Larry Sharpe 3:10 Statistically, males tend to outwardly strike. Women tend to inwardly strike, as a general, statistically.

Joe Rogan 3:16 And-

Larry Sharpe 3:16 There's exceptions, obviously.

Joe Rogan 3:17 ... the only other, th- the other, uh, factor is psychotropic drugs.

Larry Sharpe 3:22 Yup.

Joe Rogan 3:22 And these are two things that no one wants to talk about.

Larry Sharpe 3:25 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 3:26 And they're both real.

Larry Sharpe 3:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:27 And they're both facts. And why is it that you think that these are, they're, they're obvious facts that people wanna ignore?

Larry Sharpe 3:35 Because you, they don't actually wanna fix the problem. Right? If you fix the problem, then you don't have controversy. If you don't have controversy, you don't have a left versus right paradigm. You have to have it.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Do you really think that's what it is?

Larry Sharpe 3:44 Yes, th- the, first off, they don't wanna touch the c- they, they don't wanna fix the problem. If you wanna fix the problem of school shootings, right, there's two things to remember, as I'm, as you've heard me say before. The school shooting, while it is a murder, at its core, it's actually a public suicide. And for people to understand that, at, at its core, most mass shootings are public suicides. If they would understand that, it's true, it's like death by cop. Right?

Joe Rogan 4:05 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 4:05 It's, it's public suicide. So, you have to make sure you have happier people. Right? But then why do they school, uh, why do they choose schools? Several reasons. One, because that's where their, their assumed enemies are. Right? The incels think that the guys, the bad guys and the bad girls are there. But something else, they're soft targets. The other thing to remember from all of these school shootings is, they're planned. And that's a critical aspect. You wanna stop school shooting? In New York State, you don't have to pass one extra law at all. Have to do one minor thing and one thing only, and that is say, if you are a licensed, uh, if you're licensed and you have a permit to carry a firearm, if you want to in school, you may. If you are a teacher or an administrator. If you want to, you may. That's it. You don't have to force a teacher to carry, you don't need a resource officer. Why? Because if you have a resource officer, which is what most Republicans will say, "Put, put an officer there," they'll just shoot him first. If you have Democrats, no guns, they'll shoot everybody. So, if you instead say, well, I don't know who's armed. Is it an administrator? Is it a teacher? Is it everybody? Is it nobody? The planning goes away. Once there's no planning available, the school is no longer a soft target. They stop choosing the school.

Joe Rogan 5:09 Okay. Let me back, s- let's unback this. So, you're saying that if you have an officer on the school that carries a gun-

Larry Sharpe 5:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 ... and this person knows that officer has a gun, they will shoot him first?

Larry Sharpe 5:20 Correct.

Joe Rogan 5:21 And that if just teachers are carrying guns, there's no way this person knows, and so they're less likely to shoot people?

Larry Sharpe 5:27 They're less... There's two things. If, if you... Here's the core of it. What's killing our children? It's not firearms. The, the, one of the, uh, I think it was the Texas shooting, I think it was, before he stole the guns, he had put together and set up pipe bombs and pressure cooker bombs in case he couldn't steal the guns. So, if he couldn't get guns, he was gonna kill people anyway. The, the, the key thing here is what's killing p- these kids? Lack of community-... lack of purpose, and loneliness. That's what's killing our kids, those three things. Take those three things away, kids don't do that. You give a kid who's 16, 17, 18 purpose, he can't go off and kill people. He has something to do. He has a reason to live. Remember, this is a public suicide. If you have a reason to live and you think the right answer is to go do something, you don't kill yourself. If you don't kill yourself, there's no public suicide, mass shootings all of a sudden are tremendously reduced. It's just how it works. It's human nature, you have to understand that. But if you do that, then there's no extra law, then there's no one to point a finger at, you can't-

Joe Rogan 6:25 Mm.

Larry Sharpe 6:25 ... restrict guns.

Joe Rogan 6:26 See, this is where you and I-

Larry Sharpe 6:26 What I'm saying just makes actual sense.

Joe Rogan 6:28 This is where you and I break company, because I don't agree with that. I don't think that anyone is trying to keep these school shootings in the same state they are now. I think that there's two things. One, no one wants to demonize psychotropic drugs, and especially politicians. They have a really hard time with that.

Larry Sharpe 6:45 Sure.

Joe Rogan 6:45 Because they don't want to tell people who are on psychotropic drugs that they're either suspects-

Larry Sharpe 6:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:51 ... or suspicious or potential mass shooters.

Larry Sharpe 6:53 I d- New York State's showing you it's incorrect.

Joe Rogan 6:55 And I, I know you're not.

Larry Sharpe 6:55 I'm, I'm, we made the SAFE Act. And the SAFE Act literally says if you go on these drugs, you lose your firearms.

Joe Rogan 7:00 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 7:00 So that's absolutely not true in New York State. It may be true in California, I don't know your laws here. But in New York State, the opposite is true. We've, we've already done that. We have made our medical personnel part of our secret state police. Which means if you go in and say, um, you know, "I'm feeling depressed. I need some drugs. I'm thinking about suicide." The state police might come by and take your firearms. That's already happening in New York State.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 7:23 And they now wanna create red flag laws, which means a teacher can now do it. So now a teacher says, "Oh, there's a student who I see drew a firearm, he drew a gun, cops and robbers, (sharp inhale) may be a red flag. Let me go to a judge and see if I can have the cops go and take his father's firearms."

Joe Rogan 7:37 I definitely wanna talk about this-

Larry Sharpe 7:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:38 ... but I wanna bring it back to what you said earlier, that you don't think they wanna fix the problem.

Larry Sharpe 7:43 Yeah, it's not-

Joe Rogan 7:43 I don't, I don't think that's true. I just don't think they have a viable solution that they think is politically viable.

Larry Sharpe 7:50 Perhaps, but I think my solution seems politically viable. People, I, I say, everyone I say this to, they go, "Oh, wow, you're right."

Joe Rogan 7:58 Well, you are definitely right that they're lonely, sad people that are-

Larry Sharpe 8:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:01 ... lashing out, and I think you're definitely right that in many instances it's a public suicide.

Larry Sharpe 8:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:06 And I think you're definitely right that the vast majority of them are on psychotropic drugs-

Larry Sharpe 8:10 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:11 ... which do have a disassociative, uh, aspect to them where they're not even sure they're aware of what they're doing. This is, if you talk to people-

Larry Sharpe 8:17 Well, I'm not sure that's true though.

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... that have been on those-

Larry Sharpe 8:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Well, uh, people that have been on these things, things don't mean anything anymore.

Larry Sharpe 8:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Like a car accident in front of them doesn't mean anything.

Larry Sharpe 8:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:27 People have various reactions to various SSRIs and antidepressants-

Larry Sharpe 8:32 Sure.

Joe Rogan 8:32 ... but one thing that happens is you lose the highs and lows-

Larry Sharpe 8:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:37 ... and everything is just flat.

Larry Sharpe 8:38 You become numb.

Joe Rogan 8:39 Yes, and you become numb to almost anything that happens.

Larry Sharpe 8:42 Yep, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 8:42 It d- and uh again, it varies depending upon the individual that's on these things.

Larry Sharpe 8:46 Sure.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Part of that would allow someone to do something horrific, which they wouldn't be able to before.

Larry Sharpe 8:53 Well, there's two things to remember here. One, I'm not concerned with being righteous, I'm concerned with happy New Yorkers and happy people. That's what I want. Righteousness is very low on my priority of things.

Joe Rogan 9:03 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 9:03 So if that doesn't sound... If what I'm saying sounds bad, I'm okay. I wanna fix the problem. The second thing is I'm not a politician, which means I don't have, I don't have a, uh, a career I have to protect. I don't have interests I have to serve. The average donor is $75, so I don't have a bunch of people who write me huge checks, so I don't have that concern either. So maybe in four years I'll be corrupt and you can beat me up on the show.

Joe Rogan 9:26 No, I don't, I don't think you're corrupt. I mean, I'm not saying that at all. What, well, I'm, I don't think they're corrupt. I mean, I'm sure many of them are.

Larry Sharpe 9:32 Sure.

Joe Rogan 9:33 But I think that they just, there's things they don't feel like they can discuss politically.

Larry Sharpe 9:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:38 And I think one of those things is in any way demonizing people who are on antidepressants.

Larry Sharpe 9:44 Because a lot of people are.

Joe Rogan 9:45 There is a giant percentage of people-

Larry Sharpe 9:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:46 ... on antidepressants in this country.

Larry Sharpe 9:47 Absolutely. Our, our opioid crisis is, is heavily based upon the idea that when you have pain of any type, physical, mental, the answer is not dealing with that pain, but the answer is a once-a-day pill.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Right, medication.

Larry Sharpe 10:01 That... Yes, that is the answer for all of our pain. And because of that, you have a lot of people who are on drugs. And you probably know this stat, about 80% of all the people who are currently heroin addicts, uh, somehow started on someone's, not even always theirs, but someone's prescription legal, legal drug. I mean, that was prescribed for either pain medication or something like that.

Joe Rogan 10:21 Right.

Larry Sharpe 10:21 Usually pain medication.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 10:22 But other things too. You're totally correct, this is a problem. But what I'm saying is, this is what I, I talk about often. People say, "Larry, you know, why should I vote for you? Why should I support you?" Here's the reason why. Whether you believe I can win or not is actually irrelevant. If you think I can win, awesome, I can win, and to be forward with you, if I win in New York as a Libertarian, the entire nation changes overnight. And that's not exaggeration. The entire nation changes overnight. This is the most impactful election, hands down, the entire nation, 2018. Why?

Joe Rogan 10:52 Because it's New York-

Larry Sharpe 10:53 That is correct.

Joe Rogan 10:53 ... and it's not New Mexico-

Larry Sharpe 10:54 Exactly right.

Joe Rogan 10:54 ... like when Gary Johnson won.

Larry Sharpe 10:56 Yes, if, if... I would've... New York State was ranked 50th by Cato, uh, when it comes to freedom. It is, we have the most people leaving, over 100,000 people leaving every single year, more than any other state. We also, on top of that, we are ranked the least friendly to retirees. All of a sudden Larry Sharpe Libertarian becomes governor? I mean, it's insane. The, the advantage is it's a five-way race. In a five-way race, 30% could win. This is actually a winnable race.

Joe Rogan 11:21 How is it a five-way race?

Larry Sharpe 11:22 It's gonna be His Majesty, who our current king, he will run. Um, there'll be a Republican-

Joe Rogan 11:26 Cuomo?

Larry Sharpe 11:26 Yes, correct. There'll be a Republican-

Joe Rogan 11:28 Why did he call him His Majesty?

Larry Sharpe 11:29 Because he thinks he's a king and he is a king.

Joe Rogan 11:31 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 11:31 That's the reason. When I'm in front of him I'll call him Your Grace. But to you-

Joe Rogan 11:35 Did you, have you met him?

Larry Sharpe 11:35 ... I'll just say Your Majesty. I met him one time in 2014.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Was he a dick?

Larry Sharpe 11:39 Um, yes he was.

Joe Rogan 11:40 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 11:40 Yes he was. He was. He was very dismissive. Yes he was.

Joe Rogan 11:43 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 11:44 I was, I was actually with the Libertarian candidate then in 2014.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 11:47 Um, so yes he was dismissive. So His Majesty will run. Uh, there'll be a Republican sacrificial lamb placeholder, who knows he'll come in second, probably third to me.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Because New York has basically, uh, always been a left-wing state.

Larry Sharpe 11:59 Not always, no. Uh, the last 16 years. In the last 16 years in New York State, the same thing happens in a statewide election, blue team comes in first-

Joe Rogan 12:06 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 12:06 ... red team comes in second, nothing changes.

Joe Rogan 12:08 ... nothing changes.

Larry Sharpe 12:09 That's been the last 16 years.

Joe Rogan 12:10 And-

Larry Sharpe 12:10 But prior to that, Republicans did win, it did happen, but the state's too blue.

Joe Rogan 12:14 And Cynthia Nixon, what is she running as?

Larry Sharpe 12:17 Uh, she won't be running in about a week or so.

Joe Rogan 12:19 No? It's over?

Larry Sharpe 12:19 She'll be finished. Yeah, she'll be finished.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Really?

Larry Sharpe 12:21 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 12:21 How do you know?

Larry Sharpe 12:22 Let, let me, let me give you the five people-

Joe Rogan 12:24 Okay, go ahead.

Larry Sharpe 12:24 ... and then I'll cover her, right?

Joe Rogan 12:25 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 12:25 Those two, then Stephanie Miner will run, she's a, uh, an independent who runs out of, uh, Syracuse. There'll be a Green Party communist who'll run, Howie Hawkins.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Communist?

Larry Sharpe 12:33 Yes. And if you called-

Joe Rogan 12:34 Legit communist?

Larry Sharpe 12:34 Yeah. He wouldn't be unhappy if I called him that.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Really?

Larry Sharpe 12:36 Yeah, yeah. He's, he's, he's-

Joe Rogan 12:38 He would nod his head? Okay.

Larry Sharpe 12:39 He'd be like, "Yeah, probably. Close, yeah."

Joe Rogan 12:41 Wow.

Larry Sharpe 12:41 He'd be okay with that. Um, so him and then myself. So five people running.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 12:46 Right? With five people running, New York State's a plurality state, so 30% in theory could actually win this thing. With people who know who I am, I already poll at 25%. This is both the Quinnipac poll and Gravis Marketing poll. Both polls, I pull about 25%-

Joe Rogan 13:00 With people who know who you are?

Larry Sharpe 13:01 ... who know who I am. My problem is name recognition, right?

Joe Rogan 13:04 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 13:04 If more people get to know who I am, then that number of obviously will be, go even higher.

Joe Rogan 13:08 And how much time do we have here?

Larry Sharpe 13:09 Two months.

Joe Rogan 13:10 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 13:11 Here's the reality. I get $2 million, I win, because all I-

Joe Rogan 13:16 $2 million is all it takes?

Larry Sharpe 13:17 Because I just need to get my name out. I already have infrastructure, I already have the message. All I need is to get my name out, which takes, what it takes is advertisements on local news, news, uh, on local stations to get my name out. That happens, I win. That's not an exaggeration.

Joe Rogan 13:30 How important are debates? How important are the debates today?

Larry Sharpe 13:31 Debates are important. If I, if I don't get that money, I'll have to win in debates, I'll have to do a Jesse Ventura. Right? Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, when he had the debates, he won, he handily won in debates and that really gave him the, uh, that gave him the election. That will get me the election.

Joe Rogan 13:44 This is ... People are a big fan of that movie Predator.

Larry Sharpe 13:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:47 That was a lot of it.

Larry Sharpe 13:47 'Cause he didn't, he didn't have time to bleed.

Joe Rogan 13:49 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 13:49 That's exactly right, Joe. Yes. For those-

Joe Rogan 13:51 Bunch of slack-jawed faggots.

Larry Sharpe 13:52 (laughs) For, for those of you who are old enough to remember that movie, yes.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 13:55 Jesse didn't have time to bleed.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 13:56 Uh, so yes. Um, so that's, that's what I'm saying. With that, we make that happen, we can actually win and change everything because all I need is my name to get out. But you asked about Cynthia Nixon. Cynthia Nixon made an error. Cynthia Nixon is not a politician and doesn't know politics, and she thought that her celebrity would get her past the, the Democratic machine which is run by, by Cuomo in our state, so she ran as Democrat. Stephanie Miner is also a Democrat, but she chose not to run as a Democrat because she knew that if she ran as that, Cuomo would crush her, as Cuomo's crushing Nixon.

Joe Rogan 14:28 How is he crushing Nixon?

Larry Sharpe 14:29 Uh, in the Democratic, um, convention, if you are able to get 5% of the vote from delegates, you get to speak on stage. Cuomo controlled those delegates with an iron fist so much, he made sure Cynthia Nixon did not even get 5%. She couldn't even get on the stage to speak. Now let me clear, Cynthia Nixon is a popular actor who lives in New York City. There is no way there weren't enough people who would've if they wanted to hear her speak, could, would've voted. 5% of course he made sure that didn't happen. She had to submit 65,000 signatures to get on the actual ballot so she could be in the primary. There is no way that he allows her to win. She doesn't win. He debated her and because he thought, "Let me just show people that, that I don't care, I can just dismiss her." And that's why he debated her, and he's going to win and she's going to lose. She ... And when she loses, I don't think she's gonna stay in, I doubt she will. If she does, better for me because then it'll be a six-way race, but I doubt she will. She'll probably drop out in some way, shape or form. My odds are she'll run for Congress or something like that in the Working, the Working, uh, Families Party. She'll do something like that.

Joe Rogan 15:29 The Working Families Party?

Larry Sharpe 15:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:30 That's, that's another party?

Larry Sharpe 15:31 It's another party in New York State, yes.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Oh.

Larry Sharpe 15:32 How New York state runs, New York state's has a, is a fusion state, which means you can run as multiple parties if you want to. You can have three or four or five lines if you want to. So what often happens is the big two parties, they use it as a way to have issue-based voters. So they'll, they'll literally create parties.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 15:48 So they'll create a party that says, "I'm the Working Families Party," and then people go, "Oh, well if not Democrat, I'm a Working Family," and they'll click that. And it's the same guy. Cuomo will be on four or five lines. Happens often. The Republicans on three lines and the Democrat, I think, will be on probably four lines.

Joe Rogan 16:03 It's a very complicated process.

Larry Sharpe 16:05 It is.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Now, is, is there any effort made or is there any discussion whatsoever about potentially moving voting to online? Is that something-

Larry Sharpe 16:13 No.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... that you would be in favor of?

Larry Sharpe 16:14 Not in New York, not in New York State right now. No, I'm, I'm unsure. Um-

Joe Rogan 16:17 You're unsure of it?

Larry Sharpe 16:18 I love the concept completely, I do. The only thing I don't know is I don't know the technology behind it. I don't know how safe it is. I just don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:24 But what about banking? If you can bank online-

Larry Sharpe 16:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 ... and that's where all your money goes.

Larry Sharpe 16:27 No, I love the idea. I'm just, I don't wanna commit without knowing the technology.

Joe Rogan 16:30 Right.

Larry Sharpe 16:31 If, if we ... New York State is a problem because New York State throws out everything that is new. We've thrown out blockchain, we, we don't wanna do any open source. Um, we threw out, uh, hemp and marijuana. Um, we, we're, we, we, we're trying to destroy the vaping industry. I mean, anything that's new in New York State, we try to get rid of it. We hit with a stick. We're beating up Uber now, we're taxing Uber to pay for the MTA, I mean, which is horrible.

Joe Rogan 16:51 And is that because of corruption by established bodies that are-

Larry Sharpe 16:54 100%.

Joe Rogan 16:55 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 16:55 New York State likes old money. We're really happy with old money, we do not like new money at all.

Joe Rogan 17:00 We had, uh-

Larry Sharpe 17:00 Which is another reason why the youth is leaving.

Joe Rogan 17:02 We had the hardest time getting the UFC into New York because of corruption.

Larry Sharpe 17:06 Yes. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 17:06 We had to wait until that one politician was arrested. What was that one guy that went to jail?

Larry Sharpe 17:10 New York State, there's so many I'd use-

Joe Rogan 17:12 Yeah, yeah.

Larry Sharpe 17:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:13 I forget who it was, but he was corrupt.

Larry Sharpe 17:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:15 And he was one of the main reasons that it was, mm, they were trying to make it illegal.

Larry Sharpe 17:19 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Um-

Larry Sharpe 17:20 It's new-

Joe Rogan 17:21 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 17:21 ... which means by default, hit it with a stick. That's how New York thinks. It's new, hit it with a stick. Don't like it, it's new. We want old stuff. We don't like this stuff at all.

Joe Rogan 17:27 How ironic for a place called New York.

Larry Sharpe 17:29 Yes. It's, which is why my slogan is, "A new New York."

Joe Rogan 17:33 Uh-huh.

Larry Sharpe 17:33 That's the reason why my slogan is that, because we are right now in old New York and it's not helping at all.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Now-

Larry Sharpe 17:39 And the worst part is with the old New York, speaking of, of the people who are older, people who are retiring, they can't stay in New York State.

Joe Rogan 17:45 'Cause it's too expensive?

Larry Sharpe 17:46 Too expensive. They pack up and go to, uh, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida.

Joe Rogan 17:49 Is it taxes? Is it real estate? What is it?

Larry Sharpe 17:51 It's both, it's taxes and it's no opportunity. It's both of those two things, right? So it's so, so they decide to head on down to North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee. They actually have a name for us in the Carolinas, they call us halfbacks. We went to Florida and halfway back.

Joe Rogan 18:04 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 18:04 It's true. They call us halfbacks. That's how many New Yorkers go there. But here's the worst part-

Joe Rogan 18:08 Well, most people who go to Florida go, "Uh, this is a mistake."

Larry Sharpe 18:10 (laughs) There we go. See? Well, the s- the sad part here is though Florida actually has more people than we have and half of our budget.And- and the- Scott, actually, the Governor Scott actually thanked Cuomo for sending all the people down there because 15% of New York State's budget is actually pensions and so many people who have pensions are actually leaving New York State and going someplace else. So New York State people are paying for the pensions and then they're being spent in other states.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Wow.

Larry Sharpe 18:35 It's a terrible idea. We- we- the state is broken. It is so broken and people are talking about if you're a Democrat you're saying, "Everything's still great." If you're a Republican you're saying, "Well, tweak this or tweak that." I'm saying rebuild from scratch. There are things you have to change.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Right.

Larry Sharpe 18:49 You have to change the root so you can make the branches actually die. We keep clipping branches, the weeds keep growing.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Now, we got way off track with this, um, school shooting thing and I- I wanted to get back to it because I- I think it's a very complex issue and I- I-

Larry Sharpe 19:04 It is.

Joe Rogan 19:04 ... I don't know what the answer would be. I think you've- you've found-

Larry Sharpe 19:08 There is no one answer.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Right. I think you've found problems.

Larry Sharpe 19:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:12 And these problems that you're willing to discuss and very few people are-

Larry Sharpe 19:15 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... are that these people are lonely and sad-

Larry Sharpe 19:17 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:17 ... that it's public suicide and that they're on psychotropic drugs.

Larry Sharpe 19:20 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 19:20 And I don't know why you don't think that other people want to fix it, I just don't think that they have a solution that they can discuss that is not so controversial that it overwhelms the rest of their messages. What could be done?

Larry Sharpe 19:35 Sure. I have a couple of answers.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 19:36 The- the issue is this is an issue that's been going on literally for decades, so there is no (snaps fingers) do this and it's done.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Right.

Larry Sharpe 19:43 Right? There are several things. One of them is fixing education, the other one is fixing family courts. There's two things you can-

Joe Rogan 19:48 Okay, well let's start slow.

Larry Sharpe 19:49 Sure.

Joe Rogan 19:50 How do you fix education?

Larry Sharpe 19:51 Absolutely. It is a complete reboot. Right now, the first thing you wanna do for education is you wanna make sure there is no standardized testing until high school. None whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 19:59 Standardized testing is bad for several reasons. Number one, it's an unfair way of grading teachers. Right? Teachers are now graded by how their students do on a standardized test which is silly. That doesn't mean you're a good or a bad teacher. Next, it makes a bunch of kids who are 10, 11, 12, 13 years old feel stupid because they're not good test takers, and you create now a secondary class of student for absolutely no reason because the next reason is standardized testing is no indication of success in life. You could be a great test taker at 12 or 13, or a terrible test taker and it does not mean you'll be successful or not successful in life. Last is how New York State often will decide how to fund schools. So it's a way of funding schools that's also unfair. There's no advantage to standardized testing except it mean- means the federal government now begins to control our schools more.

Joe Rogan 20:42 So when you say that standardized testing has an, uh- uh, there's an effect on funding, does that-

Larry Sharpe 20:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 20:46 ... mean that if a school does really well, they get more money?

Larry Sharpe 20:49 Yep, often it is. It's part of a- a very complex algorithm that New York State has that almost no one can actually find.

Joe Rogan 20:55 That seems like it should almost be the opposite.

Larry Sharpe 20:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:58 That if a school does poorly, that they should put more resources into that school because it's not being effective.

Larry Sharpe 21:03 In theory, that's true. I'm not sure that's accurate either. We- we- we throw about $22,000 per student per year in New York State, more even than California, and it doesn't work. We have mediocre results at best. Dollars isn't the answer. It's- it's revamping the system. Right? Funding is not the answer.

Joe Rogan 21:16 So how do you revamp the system?

Larry Sharpe 21:18 Um, I- I- there's more parts than that. The first one was just getting rid of that.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 21:21 The second thing is we shouldn't even have K through 12. K through 12 is an anachronism and shouldn't exist.

Joe Rogan 21:26 Why is that?

Larry Sharpe 21:26 Should be- because the last two years... It should be K through 10. The last two years of high school for a huge chunk of people, gym, study hall, video games, and probably smoking weed. Just nothing but bad for too many students, just sitting around doing nothing. They have no purpose, they have no community, they have- they have no- no reason to do anything. They're unhappy, right? Another reason why they're unhappy.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Isn't that a gross generalization? That they're unhappy and they're not doing anything?

Larry Sharpe 21:54 No, I-

Joe Rogan 21:54 I mean, there's probably a lot of kids listening to this that are 16 and 17, they're working their ass off right now-

Larry Sharpe 21:58 Absolutely. And I have a solution for them.

Joe Rogan 22:00 ... preparing for their future.

Larry Sharpe 22:00 And I have a solution for them that's even better.

Joe Rogan 22:02 What?

Larry Sharpe 22:02 I have a solution. Again, you're-

Joe Rogan 22:04 What's that solution?

Larry Sharpe 22:04 Let's- let's keep moving.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Okay, go ahead.

Larry Sharpe 22:05 Right. First thing is how do I know what I just said is true?

Joe Rogan 22:08 Right.

Larry Sharpe 22:08 Right, you just asked that question.

Joe Rogan 22:08 K through 10.

Larry Sharpe 22:09 I'll tell you why what I just said, why I know it's true. Because for the vast majority of students going to college now, the first year of college is 13th grade 'cause they're not ready for school, because the last two years didn't prepare them for- for- for college. If it did, we wouldn't require 13th grade. How do I know it's 13th grade? The average student now takes six years to graduate college so the results show me that I'm correct, right?

Joe Rogan 22:32 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 22:32 The results are what's happening. And here's the worst part, now we ship these kids off to college who many of them don't even wanna go to college, so we send them anyway, takes them six years to graduate, they're 24 years old with at least 50K in debt if not more, minimum 50K, some 100K, some 200K depending on what it is, and now there's no job for what they want to do and now they're working at Starbucks. Wow, what a disaster that is. We wonder why our kid's coming back home. So how about this instead? At 10th grade take a test. You pass the test, you get a diploma, whether you were homeschooled, private school, public school, diploma's yours. Awesome. Now you have five choices, and this is exactly to your point. You have five choices. Choice number one, you're a kid who's hardcore, you think that college is your answer. Good, go to two-year prep school. Imagine that kid who right now you just said is busting his ass, he could be in a- in a prep school of his choice and- and the people in that prep school are all kids who want to be in that prep school. It would change his entire situation. No more knuckleheads who don't wanna be there who are forced to be there who are cutting class. The kids who will be there are those who want to be there. The teachers, no discipline- no discipline issues, they want kids who want to be there. Better for them, they can hustle better, now they're ready for college when they get there. They can take advantage of incubators, of- of internships, maybe even graduate in three years. Now they're rocking and rolling. Less debt, better off, life is good. Better services, better everything for less money. I'm not done. You're not that kid. You're the kid who's super smart. You wanna become a scientist, you wanna be- get a PhD, awesome. Go right to an associates degree. Start right away, 16, 17, 18, get to your degree 'cause you're that good. Take your SATs, you're that smart, you're- you're Einstein. Awesome. Go do that. Not, you know, one of those things. No worries. Go to trade school. Uh, become a plumber, carpenter, mason, whatever the case may be, go do it. New York State desperately needs tradesmen. Desperately. The average tradesperson in New York State is about 50 years old, too old for an average.... should be 30-something for an average, 35 even for an average. It's too high, which means we have a lot of trades jobs that are not filled and we have a lot of foreign labor that has to come to New York state. Right? New Yorker kids aren't doing it. Why? We've been told a lie and that lie is, "The only way to success, the only way is to do well in high school, get a great four-year degree and go get a job and sit behind a computer all day." That's a lie. That is A way to success. It is not the only way to success. There are a lot of kids now, and I'm sure you know people like this, who, they spent the first five, 10 years of their life trying to make it that way, struggling through school. Then at 28 years old they go, "I just wanna build houses, man."

Joe Rogan 25:00 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 25:00 Then they go build a house or, "I just wanna make, I just wanna be a computer guy," and they just make apps. They just go do something they wanna do. They shoulda been doing that at 18.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Well, for the-

Larry Sharpe 25:07 I'm still not done.

Joe Rogan 25:08 ... for most people though, they don't know what they want to do.

Larry Sharpe 25:11 This is-

Joe Rogan 25:11 That's a big part of the problem.

Larry Sharpe 25:12 I get that all the time.

Joe Rogan 25:12 They don't have a passion, they don't have-

Larry Sharpe 25:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 25:15 ... a direction and they're confused.

Larry Sharpe 25:17 Yes. I... This is one of my biggest complaints I get about this plan, right? 'Cause the other two ideas are just go get a job-

Joe Rogan 25:22 Right.

Larry Sharpe 25:22 ... just go to work or start a business.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 25:24 And, uh, what you just said, that's what I get all the time. "But Larry, they're 16, they don't know what they're doing." Good. Make your mistake at 16, not 26.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 25:32 We're making mistakes at 26. We have people who are lost at 26. We have a generation now, if you ask the people in their 20s right now a- across this, across this nation and you say, "Do you feel like an adult?" Over half will say no. Over half will say no.

Joe Rogan 25:45 I bet if you ask, uh, 40-year-olds, they'll say that.

Larry Sharpe 25:47 Not as much.

Joe Rogan 25:48 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 25:48 But yes, but not as much. No, it probably-

Joe Rogan 25:49 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 25:49 ... won't be over half. It won't be over half.

Joe Rogan 25:51 Mm-hmm. Okay.

Larry Sharpe 25:51 You go to 20-somethings, over half will say, "No, I don't feel like an adult." Right?

Joe Rogan 25:56 Right.

Larry Sharpe 25:56 Because they're making the same mistakes that many people made at 18, 19, 16, they're now making at 25, 26, 28.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Well, there's also not a rites of passage.

Larry Sharpe 26:04 Bingo.

Joe Rogan 26:04 There's not something that actually happens to them where they-

Larry Sharpe 26:06 This would actually be that. They'd have to make that choice at 16. But here's the issue: How do I pay for it? And this covers the entire issue that we were just talking about. That's the next question I get. How do you pay for it? New York state says I have to pay for a full 12 years of school, have to pay for it. State has to pay for it. No worries. I was a Marine. When I got out of the Marine Corps, I got a GI Bill. It was X dollars, I think it was $100,000. I forgot what it was back then. This was in the '90s. Um, I think I had $100,000, like 10 years to use it. We're gonna give all of our kids $20,000 and five years to use it. They don't get the physical check, but the, the state will pay a check to whatever school they wanna go to for $20,000. They have five years to use it. What does that mean? You can, at 16, start experimenting. You can say, "You know what? I know college isn't for me. I'm gonna go to prep school." Here's what I promise you. I promise you this, uh, I'll bet any amount of money you want, promise you this. As soon as this comes into play, you will find tons of, all of a sudden, prep schools and trade schools that pop up. And guess how much they're gonna cost for two years? $20,000. That's gonna be their tuition. You might say, "Well, wow, Larry, that's a lot of money." It isn't. We're paying $44,000 now for each of those kids. We're saving $24,000 per kid and giving them better schooling, more accurate, actual choices. They can learn something. They make their mistakes at 16, 17, which is way better than 26 or 27, and maybe they figure out what they wanna do.

Joe Rogan 27:22 Well, why is it so cheap? Why are you going to be able to do that for $20,000 when it costs so much more now? What's going to be different?

Larry Sharpe 27:30 People are gonna be choosing.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Right.

Larry Sharpe 27:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:32 But the people-

Larry Sharpe 27:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:33 ... that are educating these people-

Larry Sharpe 27:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:35 ... how are they gonna get paid?

Larry Sharpe 27:36 Oh, I love that.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Where's the money gonna come from?

Larry Sharpe 27:37 Great question. Now, a couple things to remember. Teachers ask me all the time, they say, "Larry, how are you gonna help us?" Here's what I tell you. "I'm gonna get rid of a bunch of your administrators." In New York state, we actually have school districts that have more administrators than teachers.

Joe Rogan 27:51 What?

Larry Sharpe 27:51 Yes. That's correct. Do your own homework.

Joe Rogan 27:53 What's the b- value of having administrators?

Larry Sharpe 27:55 Because you have to check boxes for government. You have to check boxes for government. Did you do X? Did you do Y? Did you do Z? These administrators are required.

Joe Rogan 28:02 That's what's going on?

Larry Sharpe 28:03 That's correct. There's, there's about $60 billion in our budget in New York state for education, give or take. About $4 billion comes from the federal government. About $35 billion comes from the state and about $20 billion comes locally, give or take. It's, uh, th- these are round numbers and they change yearly depending upon, on, on who you talk to, but it's about that. Once we get rid of the federal government being involved in, in the, uh, in New York state, $4 billion goes away. People get afraid. "Oh my God, we'll lose that money." Good. Good, let it go away because all those administrators go away also. If you can get rid of three, four, five, six administrators for every one or two teachers, oh my God. Look what you do.

Joe Rogan 28:37 I'm not a professional educator, but I would imagine that if I was, uh, I would be upset at this. I would say that there's a reason why those administrators are there and we need them to take some of the administrative weight off of the teachers. The teachers are stressed out enough by teaching these students. They don't have the time to be taking care of all the formalities and the things that these administrators do.

Larry Sharpe 28:57 Um, I have never heard that ever because that's not true. You are the first person to ever say that to me ever in over a year of me doing this.

Joe Rogan 29:03 So every teacher-

Larry Sharpe 29:04 And the reason is, those administrators-

Joe Rogan 29:06 ... would agree with you?

Larry Sharpe 29:06 No, no, no, no. Not every teacher.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 29:07 As I said, I never heard it.

Joe Rogan 29:08 You never heard it.

Larry Sharpe 29:09 I'm not saying all teachers.

Joe Rogan 29:09 But you've talked to a lot of teachers?

Larry Sharpe 29:11 Lots of them.

Joe Rogan 29:11 Lots of them.

Larry Sharpe 29:11 Dozens of them.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 29:13 Dozens of them.

Joe Rogan 29:13 And what do they say about administrators?

Larry Sharpe 29:14 And they say, "Awesome." Because it's-

Joe Rogan 29:16 "Fuck those punks"? (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 29:17 Not in those words.

Joe Rogan 29:18 (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 29:18 But yes. Because most of those administrators-

Joe Rogan 29:20 Uh-huh.

Larry Sharpe 29:20 ... are actually administering teachers. They're teach- telling them how to teach, what to teach, when to teach, grading them.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Okay. But if they don't, who will?

Larry Sharpe 29:27 The parents will.

Joe Rogan 29:28 The parents will?

Larry Sharpe 29:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Do you think the parents have the time or the understanding of what an education should comprise of to be able to direct not just their, their student and what their child needs, but, you know, a group of 50 or however large the class is?

Larry Sharpe 29:43 I love that. Great question. And generally speaking, probably not. But teachers do.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Teachers do?

Larry Sharpe 29:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:48 So, they're gonna self-police?

Larry Sharpe 29:51 There'll be some administrators. You're, you're assuming that I'm gonna get rid of all administrators?

Joe Rogan 29:54 No, no.

Larry Sharpe 29:54 I'm not saying that.

Joe Rogan 29:55 I'm not, I'm-

Larry Sharpe 29:55 No, no.

Joe Rogan 29:56 I'm not saying that.

Larry Sharpe 29:56 I'm not saying that.

Joe Rogan 29:56 I'm saying, y- but you're definitely saying that administrators-

Larry Sharpe 29:58 You went to school though. Hold on. You went to school.

Joe Rogan 30:00 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 30:01 Do you remember how many vice principals there were at any of your schools? Do you remember?

Joe Rogan 30:05 No, I don't.

Larry Sharpe 30:05 Probably two or three. That was normal in most schools. When I was in school, often it was two or three.

Joe Rogan 30:11 I don't remember.

Larry Sharpe 30:12 Now, there's 12.

Joe Rogan 30:13 12?

Larry Sharpe 30:14 10, 14.

Joe Rogan 30:16 And why? Why is that?

Larry Sharpe 30:17 Because they're administrators and they're making sure other things... They're making sure boxes are checked. So here's your alternative. Your alternative is-... keep funding a broken system-

Joe Rogan 30:27 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 30:27 ... and be afraid, which is what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 30:29 No, I'm not saying be afraid.

Larry Sharpe 30:30 You're saying, you're saying teachers will be afraid, because-

Joe Rogan 30:32 Afraid? Why?

Larry Sharpe 30:33 Yeah, because then who-

Joe Rogan 30:34 Why afraid?

Larry Sharpe 30:34 ... who will educate our kids?

Joe Rogan 30:35 No, no, overwhelmed.

Larry Sharpe 30:37 If we don't ... Overwhelmed? Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 30:38 A, a fear of, of being overwhelmed, yes.

Joe Rogan 30:40 And not just, not just that, but also, like, n- having a, a mandate. Like having-

Larry Sharpe 30:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:46 ... a very strict f-

Larry Sharpe 30:49 I'm with you.

Joe Rogan 30:49 ... curriculum-

Larry Sharpe 30:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:50 ... they have to teach these children.

Larry Sharpe 30:51 And that is nothing but a bad thing. I'm gonna give you, real fast, if you don't mind-

Joe Rogan 30:54 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 30:54 ... I'm gonna give you a list of all the times centralized control has worked.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 30:58 Finished.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Centralized control-

Larry Sharpe 31:01 It doesn't work.

Joe Rogan 31:02 ... meaning, in, in education-

Larry Sharpe 31:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:03 ... meaning what?

Larry Sharpe 31:04 In, in anything. When does centralized control make things all of a sudden better?

Joe Rogan 31:07 Well, define, define centralized control.

Larry Sharpe 31:09 A strict mandate from Albany. A strict mandate from D.C. I'll, I'll ask you a question. I'm, I'm assuming you're old enough that you were in school at one point, at 1980 or older.

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yes.

Larry Sharpe 31:19 Or, or, uh, yeah, or before. I was.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Yes.

Larry Sharpe 31:21 Prior to 1980, basically the Department of Education didn't really exist as it does now. It did exist, but it was basically just a repository for information. It didn't really do anything, right? It didn't have any power. Since 1980, it began to have power. Do this, and we'll give you money.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 31:34 Don't do this, we don't give you money. Here are your rules, follow them or we punish you. That, that's what they are now. You learned to read and write, you learned to function in society, so did I. Somehow, every American prior to 1980 went to school, learned how to read and write, learned how to function in society. Somehow it worked. Do I trust an administrator or a teacher? I would rather trust the teacher. Now, does that mean there'll be no administrators? Of course not. There will be an administrator, of course there will be. There will be still principals and things of that sort, of course. But the difference is, an administrator cares about checking a box. Check a box. Your students aren't better off because boxes are checked. Your students are better off because your students are getting better, and the, and because the parents are happier.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Right, but when you're saying boxes being checked-

Larry Sharpe 32:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:16 ... that means things being covered that they feel-

Larry Sharpe 32:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:19 ... are significant.

Larry Sharpe 32:19 For a standardized test, yes. You, you said, that they feel significant. That's correct, yes.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Right, well that someone, I mean, th- I would as- I don't know how curriculums are set up, but-

Larry Sharpe 32:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 32:28 ... I would imagine that people get together and they decide that children need to have a certain amount of ability-

Larry Sharpe 32:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 32:33 ... with grammar-

Larry Sharpe 32:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:34 ... a certain amount of understanding of mathematics.

Larry Sharpe 32:36 Yes. I'd agree. Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:38 So who's gonna do that?

Larry Sharpe 32:39 How about teachers and the local administrators? And how about the local PTA? What's wrong with that?

Joe Rogan 32:43 So, less administrators-

Larry Sharpe 32:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:45 ... but not an elimination of administrators?

Larry Sharpe 32:47 I never said that.

Joe Rogan 32:48 So h- ... I didn't say you did.

Larry Sharpe 32:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:49 But how we decide how many administrators are necessary, and how many can you cut out, how much money can you save?

Larry Sharpe 32:54 I love that. This is, and this is even better. You're gonna l- you're gonna love my libertarian ways on this one.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 32:58 Right now what, what happens is, there is a convoluted way of deciding how-

Joe Rogan 33:02 A what?

Larry Sharpe 33:03 A convoluted way-

Joe Rogan 33:04 Oh, I thought you said cum-loaded. Did you hear that?

Larry Sharpe 33:07 Um, it, it could be, but no, I don't think it is.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Convoluted.

Larry Sharpe 33:09 Convoluted way.

Joe Rogan 33:10 I'm sorry, I'm like, this is a new word and I don't think it should be used. (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 33:13 Is that, is that new?

Joe Rogan 33:14 (laughs) I don't think so. No, not convoluted, the other one.

Larry Sharpe 33:16 Yeah, okay, yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:17 Cum-loaded, I was like, this is, boy, that's a real word.

Larry Sharpe 33:19 I'm s- I'm sure there's a, a fetish there somewhere.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 33:21 I'm sure there is.

Joe Rogan 33:22 I just haven't heard it.

Larry Sharpe 33:23 Um, me either. See? You're, you're ready to go now.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 33:26 So, there's a convoluted way of, of actually-

Joe Rogan 33:28 I'm learning.

Larry Sharpe 33:28 ... of, of funding these schools. I don't want that. I want it to be very simple. I want a flat fee to come from the state-

Joe Rogan 33:34 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 33:34 ... here district, depending on how m- how many kids you have, here's your money. What does that mean? Well, to b- the reality of it is, there are about, if I'm not mistaken, about 700 school districts in New York State. A lot. A lot.

Joe Rogan 33:45 That's a lot.

Larry Sharpe 33:45 It is a lot. And so what happens now is, there's your money. Most of them are gonna make no changes, because they're gonna be afraid. But it's like anything else, there'll be early adopters. And early adopters are gonna say, "Wait a minute, so the federal government isn't telling us to do this, the state government isn't telling us to do that, so we can change some things here."

Joe Rogan 34:01 So when you say here's your money, they're going to get less money than they're getting now?

Larry Sharpe 34:05 It depends upon, it depends on the school district.

Joe Rogan 34:07 So-

Larry Sharpe 34:07 Some will, some won't.

Joe Rogan 34:08 ... they're ... It's not like you'll have less jobs there, they're gonna have to decide whether or not they have less administrators?

Larry Sharpe 34:15 Bingo. You got it exactly right.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Oh, Jesus.

Larry Sharpe 34:16 Yes. And you're saying, "Oh my God, that's scary. Some of our school districts will fail." Yes, but in New York State, they're all failing now, so I don't care.

Joe Rogan 34:23 But the administrators-

Larry Sharpe 34:24 We're failing en masse right now. I am okay-

Joe Rogan 34:27 Are the-

Larry Sharpe 34:27 ... let me, let me finish.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Okay, please go.

Larry Sharpe 34:28 I don't want government to be what you always hear, which is, you know, elections have consequences.

Joe Rogan 34:35 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 34:35 So I win, I now get to impose my will upon all of you-

Joe Rogan 34:39 Right.

Larry Sharpe 34:39 ... because I won, so what I say goes. I'm supposed to know everything, be everything, create boards and make things happen. I instead want to be the guy who, when you have trouble, I can help. So as school districts begin to have trouble, I will, without question, try to help them. Of course I will.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Right, but there's 700 districts.

Larry Sharpe 34:57 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 34:57 How would you have time to do that?

Larry Sharpe 34:59 I won't personally, I'll have people who will do it right now.

Joe Rogan 35:01 Right.

Larry Sharpe 35:01 There's, there's already an infrastructure-

Joe Rogan 35:02 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 35:02 ... to handle that already.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 35:04 I don't have to create a new one, it already exists. But right now, it's, it's just, it's making up reasons to punish people. I don't want it to make up reasons to punish people. I want it instead to say, "Okay, this school district is lost, how do we help?" I only have one string attached to the money I give, only one, and that is transparency. As I told you before, I'm a business guy. And here's what I know, this is an actual equation that works every single time. Very simple, simple equation. Personal freedom plus transparency plus accountability equals innovation. If we do that, the early adopters will come on, they will find great ways of making things work, they will get rid of some administrators, they will get rid of some teachers, they will hire new ones, they will decide which ones should be given raises. That will happen.

Joe Rogan 35:44 Okay, can I stop you there?

Larry Sharpe 35:45 Please, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Because what you're saying may work in the world of business, because people have incentive to succeed in business.

Larry Sharpe 35:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:52 And that incentive is monetary success. When you-

Larry Sharpe 35:56 Not always monetary, but yes.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Okay. Not always, but for the most part.

Larry Sharpe 35:59 Yep, sure.

Joe Rogan 36:01 When you're talking about a school-

Larry Sharpe 36:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:03 ... and you cut the funding for the school and say, "Hey, figure it out."

Larry Sharpe 36:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:06 "You guys decide how many administrators you wanna keep."

Larry Sharpe 36:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Aren't the administrators essentially the bosses? Aren't they the ones who are in control? I mean, they're not gonna get rid of their own jobs, so what are they gonna do?

Larry Sharpe 36:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:17 Are they gonna pay the teachers less? Are they gonna-

Larry Sharpe 36:18 And-

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... get inferior teachers and-

Larry Sharpe 36:19 It's a great question.

Joe Rogan 36:20 ... and ramp up their, their control of the, of the cashflow because they realize that there's less of it?

Larry Sharpe 36:26 It is a, it's a great question, and here's the issue. It's not gonna happen overnight. It's not like I win in November and go, "Great, all of the money's gone." That's not how it works. I win in November, people know what the plan is, we start talking about it already. We start bringing parents on board, we start coming up with plans already. The plan's ... It's like a, it's like a, it's like any other organization. You're saying business, I'm thinking o- this works in military, this works in, this works in business, it works in ... It doesn't matter. It works in everything. Works in your family. It doesn't matter. If you knew that six months from now you were gonna have a significant decrease in your income-You would start to make change, particularly if there was someone above you saying, "Hey, Joe, y- you're gonna have a decrease in your income."

Joe Rogan 37:02 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 37:03 "How do we make this work? What can we do?" If someone's there to guide you and you already have an infrastructure there, you'll begin to fix it. But-

Joe Rogan 37:11 My fear would be that they would have less teachers and-

Larry Sharpe 37:14 It's possible.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... they would have larger classes-

Larry Sharpe 37:16 Totally possible.

Joe Rogan 37:17 ... and the administrators, because they're in control, people don't like to give up control and they certainly don't like-

Larry Sharpe 37:21 But the administrators are actually in control.

Joe Rogan 37:23 ... to release jobs.

Larry Sharpe 37:23 Well, who's actually-

Joe Rogan 37:24 They're not.

Larry Sharpe 37:24 ... in control is the PTA, right?

Joe Rogan 37:25 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 37:25 The Parent Teachers Association can, can have a lot.

Joe Rogan 37:27 So, you think the PTA would decide?

Larry Sharpe 37:28 The boards, the school boards would decide.

Joe Rogan 37:30 S- but they would have to u- agree with you-

Larry Sharpe 37:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:32 ... that they wanna get rid of administrators.

Larry Sharpe 37:34 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 37:34 And if they didn't universally, if they didn't universally across the board, then this fails miserably and then classes get larger-

Larry Sharpe 37:40 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:40 ... and then kids get less attention-

Larry Sharpe 37:42 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:42 ... and then the already piss-poor education system sinks further in-

Larry Sharpe 37:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:47 ... into the abyss.

Larry Sharpe 37:48 And we have two choices. Number one, we can be afraid of that and stay a hostage to a terrible system that's not working, that's failing our kids and making us unhappy and destroying the state. That's option one.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 38:00 Or option two, do that and just watch over it, right? Understanding that that could happen 'cause remember-

Joe Rogan 38:06 But that's, those aren't the only two options. The other-

Larry Sharpe 38:08 What's the other option? Fund it more?

Joe Rogan 38:09 The oth- the other option is, yes, fund it more.

Larry Sharpe 38:10 Boo.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Boo.

Larry Sharpe 38:11 Fund a bad system? Boo. No. You-

Joe Rogan 38:14 Why? Why is that bad?

Larry Sharpe 38:15 Okay. If- if you had a ter-

Joe Rogan 38:17 Well, what's, what's wrong with the system? Let's go over that first.

Larry Sharpe 38:19 I just told you already.

Joe Rogan 38:19 No, no. But n- but I mean, in terms of, like, how much money are they making, right? And what would increasing that amount of money enhance?

Larry Sharpe 38:29 Okay. Two things to remember. The first thing is, there's no way in the world that a governor should be deciding what every teacher makes in a state.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 38:40 That's just philosophically wrong.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 38:42 So, I'm never gonna do that. That is simply philosophically wrong. It's against who I am. Centralized l- c- centralized control is a bad idea. Localized control is always a better idea. F- for... so, that's, uh, so that, that premise, I'm, I'm never even gonna touch that. What I'm trying to achieve here is to make change, I know that locally, there will be people who do it right because that always happens. That's just how it works. You will see, out of 700 districts, some of them decide to, to, you know, get together and, and, and mix districts together.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 39:12 Some will decide not to. Some will do different things. You'll see it happen. My point is, this is a major overhaul. I get it.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Right.

Larry Sharpe 39:18 But businesses do it all the time. Families do it all the time. If you're a- able to watch it... I don't wanna be the mother or the father, right? Democrats wanna be your mother, they wanna give you everything. Republicans wanna be your father, they wanna protect you from everything. I wanna be your brother. I wanna be the guy that you love, you don't wanna live with him, but you love him and when you need a ride to the airport, he's there for you. I wanna be the firefighter, the guy who comes in to help when you need me. Now, you're saying, "But Larry, school districts will fail." Yes, some will.

Joe Rogan 39:44 No, that's not what I'm saying.

Larry Sharpe 39:45 Well, okay. Some might fail. That's what you're saying. S- some-

Joe Rogan 39:48 No, I'm not even saying they might fail. What I'm saying is that you're gonna put them in a compromised situation.

Larry Sharpe 39:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:53 You're gonna give them less money and you're gonna say, "Figure it out."

Larry Sharpe 39:56 Yes, but not just... see, you're assuming that it's just, here's money, good luck. No.

Joe Rogan 40:00 No, here's less money.

Larry Sharpe 40:01 Yes, and-

Joe Rogan 40:02 Here's less money.

Larry Sharpe 40:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 40:03 And I think you have too many administrators.

Larry Sharpe 40:05 Yep, and let's talk this out over a series of several months.

Joe Rogan 40:09 When you talk to professional-

Larry Sharpe 40:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 40:10 ... educators, do they agree that they have too many administrators-

Larry Sharpe 40:12 The teachers always do.

Joe Rogan 40:13 ... and that they could do well with less money?

Larry Sharpe 40:14 Yes. So far, every teacher I've met.

Joe Rogan 40:15 They, they-

Larry Sharpe 40:16 Every one.

Joe Rogan 40:16 But they agree they could do well with less money?

Larry Sharpe 40:18 If they didn't have administrators, yes.

Joe Rogan 40:20 And how much less money are we talking about?

Larry Sharpe 40:22 I'm unsure, to be fault with you. Not sure yet. This I'm unsure yet.

Joe Rogan 40:24 But, but you feel like the way to fix the education system is to cut funding. That would, like, for people-

Larry Sharpe 40:30 Th- n-

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... like me, who are on the outside-

Larry Sharpe 40:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:32 ... you hear that and you go, "Ooh." I already feel like teachers are underappreciated and probably, because of that, unmotivated.

Larry Sharpe 40:40 Because you decided to say, "The answer is cut funding." It's not what I said.

Joe Rogan 40:43 No, no. No, no, no. It... regardless-

Larry Sharpe 40:45 It's not what I said.

Joe Rogan 40:46 ... of what you're saying-

Larry Sharpe 40:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:47 ... regardless of what you're saying-

Larry Sharpe 40:48 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:48 ... what I'm saying is, currently-

Larry Sharpe 40:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:50 ... even in California, forget about New York-

Larry Sharpe 40:52 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:52 ... I feel like teachers-

Larry Sharpe 40:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:53 ... are underappreciated.

Larry Sharpe 40:55 I would agree with that.

Joe Rogan 40:55 And, uh, I feel like it's a noble profession that's-

Larry Sharpe 40:58 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... incredibly valuable-

Larry Sharpe 40:59 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:59 ... and the people should be able to make a decent living.

Larry Sharpe 41:02 Agreed.

Joe Rogan 41:02 I don't know how the solution to that is to give less money to the school.

Larry Sharpe 41:07 Uh, y- you're missing a very val- a very important point. If you ask most teachers why they're unappreciated, most of them, they're not gonna say that people like you and I don't appreciate them. They're gonna say, "The system doesn't appreciate me."

Joe Rogan 41:18 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 41:18 That's why they're always fighting the system. Oklahoma, they fought in the system. They're always fighting the system.

Joe Rogan 41:23 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 41:23 What I'm saying is fix the system. The system is heavily controlled in many cases by the federal government, four billion dollars' worth.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 41:31 So, we have to lose four billion dollars unless we, unless we wanna keep the federal government in our system.

Joe Rogan 41:36 But your fix-

Larry Sharpe 41:36 I don't want that.

Joe Rogan 41:37 ... your fix is to let-

Larry Sharpe 41:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:39 ... them figure it out, get the federal government out-

Larry Sharpe 41:41 Yes, but hold on.

Joe Rogan 41:41 ... and let them figure it out with less money.

Larry Sharpe 41:43 Th- I have t- I have to push back here.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 41:45 You, you keep saying, "Let 'em figure it out." As if I'm just gonna walk away and say, "Oh, well, good luck. I hope ev- go- I'm gonna go off and, uh, you know, hang out in Puerto Rico for a while." No. I'm saying I'm gonna facilitate it because you know what I do? I trust teachers more than I trust administrators. I trust the local people that if I give them the right tools, they'll do the right thing, but more importantly, they'll show others, as long as they're transparent. What's gonna happen is, they're gonna figure out the right way to deal with teachers. Should, should school district one hire more Spanish teachers versus school district two? I don't know. I'm not supposed to know that, but they do and if they make a mistake, then they'll fix it. And then other counties-

Joe Rogan 42:21 When you say they-

Larry Sharpe 42:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:21 ... you're, you're, are you talking about the teachers themselves or are you talking about these administrators who you wanna eliminate in the first place?

Larry Sharpe 42:27 I'm talking about the school boards.

Joe Rogan 42:28 The school boards.

Larry Sharpe 42:29 The school boards are gonna be the ones, uh, with the, with the PTA, with... if we make this work the right way, it will be everyone talking together. It will be school boards talking to administrators, talking with teachers, talking with parents. I don't want schools graded b- by standardized tests. We've been doing that for years and we have very, very unhappy people, unhappy students, unhappy parents. I want parents to be happier.I want students to be happier. And you might say, "But then, Larry, they won't learn certain things." Is that a horrible thing? I'd rather them be happy than learn AP Chemistry. Yes. If that means one school district decides that AP Chemistry isn't that important in their school district, it's fine, those kids'll learn it in the prep school, and some kids won't learn AP Chemistry. If that makes your school district happy, I'm okay with that, because it goes to the next level, which of course becomes kids with special needs. You have a special needs kid? How do you make that kid happy? How do you decide whether that kid's successful or not? Y- it- this- the standardized testing doesn't work. What do you do? You start doing checkboxes. Does that work? Of course not. That's why you literally have hundreds of p- of parents every single year suing New York State because they weren't happy with their kids getting services but not getting better. I want your kid getting better. You're, you're assuming that because the federal government puts these standards in it, that makes them good or bad. It doesn't. If anything, it makes them worse. I, if my kids-

Joe Rogan 43:51 I'm not assuming that.

Larry Sharpe 43:52 If my kids are happy, that's what I want. Happy New Yorkers means they stay in New York. Happy New Yorkers means they grow their businesses in New York-

Joe Rogan 44:00 I, I-

Larry Sharpe 44:00 ... keep their families in New York.

Joe Rogan 44:01 I get that, but saying happy and saying the solution and the key to happiness is funding them less, and getting rid of administrators-

Larry Sharpe 44:08 Oh, my God, you're such a Democrat, Joe.

Joe Rogan 44:10 ... but letting them figure it out. I'm not.

Larry Sharpe 44:10 Such a Democrat. Yes, you are. My God.

Joe Rogan 44:12 I'm definitely not.

Larry Sharpe 44:12 You are so a Democrat.

Joe Rogan 44:13 How am I a Democrat?

Larry Sharpe 44:14 You've got, ah, less funding-

Joe Rogan 44:15 Just 'cause I don't agree with what you said?

Larry Sharpe 44:16 ... less funding means the world's ending, less funding means the world's ending. You're a Democrat.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Well, for a lot of people, they hear that you're gonna take money away from schools.

Larry Sharpe 44:22 The person who only hears that, if the person says, "All he's gonna do is get rid of money from schools," that's, that person's never gonna vote for me, that person's probably a Democrat, that problem, person's gonna vote for Cuomo, and that's fine, I'm not gonna win everybody, I can't win everybody. But I'm going to change a system that is completely broken. If you say, this, th- what you're talking about, people talk about with the MTA also in New York City-

Joe Rogan 44:42 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 44:42 ... the MTA, you got to keep funding the MTA. I'm not gonna be hostage to a shit system, period. I don't care. I'm not gonna be hostage to a shit system. This is a terrible system that is failing New Yorkers, that is failing people in New York City when it comes to the MTA, that's failing our state.

Joe Rogan 44:57 And for people who don't know what that is, that's mass transit.

Larry Sharpe 44:59 I'm sorry, yes, if, those of you who are not in New York. It's a bad system.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 45:02 I'm not gonna be a hostage because of fear. No. I will fight my jailer. Period. And my jailer is a system that is broken that says, "If you, if you, you better give me more money, otherwise this'll happen. You better give me more money, otherwise this'll happen."

Joe Rogan 45:15 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 45:16 No. No. I'm gonna fix that system, I'm gonna help facilitate fixing that system. I'm not just gonna let them go away, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I'm gonna help facilitate that system, and to do that, we're gonna lose $4 billion. And we'll get over that, we'll fix that, we'll make it happen. We'll make it work.

Joe Rogan 45:33 So by-

Larry Sharpe 45:33 And if you get more people into this state, and this is the most important piece, you can raise money through other ways than just raising taxes on people. And this is the most critical piece. When we hear funding, and this is why I'm, I was teasing you and calling you a Democrat, because when you talk about funding, you're talking about more taxes. I'm not talking about that. If you get more people to stay in New York State, you raise your revenue without having to raise taxes on anybody.

Joe Rogan 45:55 But if you raise your revenue, are you gonna put more revenue into the schools?

Larry Sharpe 45:58 Of course. There'd be more people in the schools, more reven- yes. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 46:01 So you'll spend more money in the schools?

Larry Sharpe 46:02 There'll be more people in the schools and more taxes, of course we would. If we could ra- of course we would. Of course. New York State has $170 billion budget with about a $4 billion deficit and $300 billion in debt. And the answer for every Democrat and Republican is, more funding. There's gonna be nothing left. This state's gonna go defund, it's gonna go, it's gonna, it's gonna go under in 10 years.

Joe Rogan 46:24 So how do you get more people to come to the state?

Larry Sharpe 46:26 All right. First thing, by having a really super cool education system as I talked about.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Super cool education system.

Larry Sharpe 46:31 Education system. That'll get people to come back.

Joe Rogan 46:32 Are you gonna hire someone to create this super cool education system, or are you gonna let these teachers figure it out on their own?

Larry Sharpe 46:37 Look, if, if we need-

Joe Rogan 46:38 You go, "Hey, teachers, build me a super cool education system so that we get more funding."

Larry Sharpe 46:42 I already have the, I already have the infrastructure for the super cool system I just told you. I alread- I've already told you what the, what the infrastructure is.

Joe Rogan 46:48 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 46:49 The, the concept already, the skeleton is already there.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 46:51 Now, once I win in November, we begin to build it out. And yes, it'll be me and other people. Be clear, it's not like New York doesn't have enough, New York State doesn't have enough, uh, workers. We have tons of workers that we can absolutely use to make this happen. Tons of them. Now, if I'm not mistaken, uh, New York State, uh, has the most, by percentage, uh, government employees I think in, I think in the nation. I know we have the most unionized. But I think we're the most, uh, uh, government employees, uh, by percentage.

Joe Rogan 47:16 So you're gonna move their jobs-

Larry Sharpe 47:18 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:18 ... to different jobs?

Larry Sharpe 47:19 Love it. Yes, let's do that. Love the idea. You're asking details that are simple to fix when the time comes.

Joe Rogan 47:25 And, uh-

Larry Sharpe 47:26 Simple to fix.

Joe Rogan 47:26 ... so you're gonna take people out of what professions and move them into fixing these things?

Larry Sharpe 47:30 Do you think I actually have decided for every person in New York State what they're gonna do?

Joe Rogan 47:35 I don't know, that's why I'm asking you.

Larry Sharpe 47:36 Of course not.

Joe Rogan 47:37 Y- this is a, you're doing a, like a show now.

Larry Sharpe 47:39 I'm not doing a show.

Joe Rogan 47:40 You're getting, "Do you ... You're a Democrat. Look at you, you're a Democrat." Like-

Larry Sharpe 47:43 You are a Democrat.

Joe Rogan 47:43 ... I'm just, but I'm not, I'm giving, I'm just asking you-

Larry Sharpe 47:46 All right.

Joe Rogan 47:46 ... real clean questions here.

Larry Sharpe 47:49 You four times said you're gonna take money away from schools.

Joe Rogan 47:52 But you are, right?

Larry Sharpe 47:53 Yes. You've said, like, four times.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Right.

Larry Sharpe 47:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Because you keep going on about these other things, and it's-

Larry Sharpe 47:59 Which is what matters more than losing $4 billion from education.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Right, but I just want to be clear about what you're saying, about what the actual plan is.

Larry Sharpe 48:05 I'm going to fix this system by creating a good skeleton off the bat that people are going to enjoy and like.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 48:12 And then once I win in November, we're gonna fill that skeleton up to make an amazing school system that people are gonna be proud of, they're gonna wanna bring their people, they're gonna come back from North Carolina, they're gonna come back from Tennessee, they're gonna move from, from Pennsylvania and, and, and Massachusetts and wanna be part of this system. They're gonna see schools that actually work well, they're gonna see prep schools get kids into college, they're gonna see colleges that actually educate kids and get them into jobs. When they see that happen, they'll all start coming. That's going to happen. It doesn't happen by me saying, "How do I fund this?" It doesn't happen by me saying, being afraid of making a, a step. You don't have to have the perfect plan to move forward. No plan is perfect anyway. You want a good, solid plan with motivated people. If you have motivated people to, to take up a plan, it'll wind up being successful. Again, it's how it works.

Joe Rogan 48:58 So this grandiose plan-

Larry Sharpe 49:00 They are grandiose, oh, I like that.

Joe Rogan 49:01 ... is that you're gonna, you're gonna-

Larry Sharpe 49:01 Grandiose plan. Grandiose plan.

Joe Rogan 49:01 ... get rid of the last two years of high school-... and you're gonna offer potential prep school-

Larry Sharpe 49:08 I like that.

Joe Rogan 49:08 ... for children. And you're going to, for other kids, offer them trade schools.

Larry Sharpe 49:13 Trade schools, sure.

Joe Rogan 49:14 You're gonna get rid of $4 billion in federal funding.

Larry Sharpe 49:17 Yep.

Joe Rogan 49:17 You're gonna let the schools figure out how many administrators they should have.

Larry Sharpe 49:22 With help.

Joe Rogan 49:22 With help?

Larry Sharpe 49:23 With help.

Joe Rogan 49:23 And who has to help? Who, who are you gonna hire to oversee this whole thing?

Larry Sharpe 49:27 We'll figure out.

Joe Rogan 49:28 You'll figure that out?

Larry Sharpe 49:28 Yeah. Look, um, I'm two months from the election, away from the election.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 49:32 And then at least six months for implementation.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Right.

Larry Sharpe 49:36 At least. It, um, it's, that's probably low, probably more like nine. But plenty of time. This is, this can't come into play-

Joe Rogan 49:43 This is-

Larry Sharpe 49:43 ... until next September.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Right.

Larry Sharpe 49:45 At earliest. Right? The earliest it can come into play is next September. I hope it's that fast, that'd be amazing. I hope it is that fast.

Joe Rogan 49:51 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 49:51 But it isn't five minutes. It's like I'm, I'm not doing this so I can become king. We already have a king-

Joe Rogan 49:57 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 49:57 ... and that's why we're in trouble.

Joe Rogan 49:58 Right.

Larry Sharpe 49:58 Right? I want to give localized control many more options. I, I'm the cr- I'm the crazy guy who actually s- means what he says when I say, "Let teachers teach." I actually mean that.

Joe Rogan 50:09 And what are-

Larry Sharpe 50:09 Most people say it and then they, and their response then becomes, "Give more administrators."

Joe Rogan 50:14 So you think what's stopping them now is standardized tests and administrators? And then funding that's based on the success of the, the tests-

Larry Sharpe 50:23 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 50:24 ... in these, in these school districts?

Larry Sharpe 50:25 That's correct. The answer's always more funding. The answer's always more funding. And it isn't. It is not that. People always say, "We have to fund, fund, fund." That is not the answer. There, there are better answers out there, of course there are. But let me done, let me go to the, to another piece on how to raise money.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 50:41 The first thing is, of course, as I mentioned, get more people. If more people show up to the state, New York State could in theory, and this is theory, easily hold 30 million people. If-

Joe Rogan 50:50 The state?

Larry Sharpe 50:51 The state could, it's possible, it can be done.

Joe Rogan 50:52 How many is in the city, seven?

Larry Sharpe 50:54 It's about eight and a half in the city, in the city right now.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Eight and a half?

Larry Sharpe 50:55 About eight and a half in the city right now.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Ooh, that's a lot.

Larry Sharpe 50:57 It is a lot. It's the largest city in the country by far, it's, it's over double, uh, Los Angeles. Los Angeles is about, what, three and a half? If I'm not mistaken? You take-

Joe Rogan 51:06 Well, sort of. LA, there's no end to it.

Larry Sharpe 51:08 Yes, well if-

Joe Rogan 51:09 The thing about LA-

Larry Sharpe 51:09 ... if you look at the metro area-

Joe Rogan 51:11 ... the sprawl-

Larry Sharpe 51:11 ... of, of New York State, uh, New York City, it's at 16 million. Metro area, 16 million. The actual city itself is eight and a half. So it's, it's by far the largest city in the, uh, in the nation. So yes, so it could in theory take 30 million people, it's possible. If we get that am- amount of people, oh my God, the, the tax revenue would be insane. It would be great.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Right, but how would you get people to move to New York State?

Larry Sharpe 51:31 By having a better state. And one of the things I mentioned was education, but there are several other things you can do. First off, why aren't we supporting small businesses? And we don't in New York State, we punish them. Right? We punish them by, with licensing, we punish them. In New York State there's actually a license to braid hair, there's a license to walk a dog, there's all kind of licenses like that.

Joe Rogan 51:46 You have to get a license to walk a dog?

Larry Sharpe 51:48 That's correct, yes. So-

Joe Rogan 51:49 What's involved in that?

Larry Sharpe 51:50 I don't know, I'm not a dog walker.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 51:52 I don't know. There should be none. Here, here's my rule on licensing. I got a nice good general rule. Would you ask your friend to do it? If you were a, uh, a woman who had lots of long hair, would you ask your friend to braid your hair? You probably would, wouldn't you?

Joe Rogan 52:06 Probably.

Larry Sharpe 52:06 Yeah, you probably would.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Sure.

Larry Sharpe 52:07 If you had a dog, I don't know if you have a dog, but assuming you have a dog-

Joe Rogan 52:09 Yeah, I have a dog.

Larry Sharpe 52:09 ... would, would you ask your friend to walk your dog?

Joe Rogan 52:11 Sure.

Larry Sharpe 52:11 Sure, of course you would. Why is there a license for that? Would you ask your friend to remove your appendix?

Joe Rogan 52:17 Well, I think the idea would be that you wouldn't want someone to screw it up, so we'd want to make sim- sure someone has insurance so that the consumer doesn't get ripped off.

Larry Sharpe 52:26 Yes, but the, the appendix thing, you wouldn't let someone-

Joe Rogan 52:28 No.

Larry Sharpe 52:28 Yeah. Get a license for that one, fine.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Right.

Larry Sharpe 52:29 Get a license for that. But your point's a valid one. How about instead, there's a difference between licensing and what you just said, which is insurance.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 52:36 There's a difference.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Right.

Larry Sharpe 52:37 Licensing says the government decides if you can or can't do it, and if you don't the government will fine you and/or jail you. That's a license.

Joe Rogan 52:45 So you don't have to have hair braiding insurance or dog walker insurance?

Larry Sharpe 52:48 You might wanna have insurance, I didn't say that.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Right.

Larry Sharpe 52:50 I said license, there is a difference.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Right.

Larry Sharpe 52:52 The assumption is, and you've made it by I make that step, you made the assumption which is licensing is for safety. It is not. It is for control. That's all it's for. And an example I'll give you is vaping. In New York State, many counties you have to have a license for vaping. So what does the license entail?

Joe Rogan 53:07 A license to sell?

Larry Sharpe 53:08 Yes, to sell, to have a vaping store. Yes, to have, to have a vaping store you have to have a license-

Joe Rogan 53:11 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 53:11 ... to have a vaping store. Similar to that of having a tobacco store. Similar.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Right.

Larry Sharpe 53:15 Right? They do that. So you might say, "Well, vaping, a license is great, it's for safety, right?" Well, does the person who has to own the vaping store maybe, I don't know, learn CPR or understand the effects of, uh, nicotine on the body? No. They have to write a check and fill out a form. That's it. There's no safety involved in the license.

Joe Rogan 53:35 And they have to be approved for a license?

Larry Sharpe 53:37 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Meaning they can't be a felon with a history of fraud-

Larry Sharpe 53:41 I'm not sure if that's even the case in that, in, in the vaping.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 53:43 I don't think that's true.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Right.

Larry Sharpe 53:44 I think in vaping that's not true. In certain cases there are, that's true, in certain. But this one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Isn't tobacco a controlled substance?

Larry Sharpe 53:49 It is.

Joe Rogan 53:50 So I would assume that they do have to have a license based on not being a felon.

Larry Sharpe 53:54 For tobacco perhaps, we're talking about vaping. Vaping's not controlled.

Joe Rogan 53:56 But if vaping is tobacco-

Larry Sharpe 53:56 Vaping is not a... No, it is not.

Joe Rogan 53:58 It's not?

Larry Sharpe 53:58 No, not at all. Vaping is not tobacco.

Joe Rogan 54:00 But it's nicotine, right?

Larry Sharpe 54:01 Some is, some's not. No.

Joe Rogan 54:02 So the stuff-

Larry Sharpe 54:03 Vaping is basically a-

Joe Rogan 54:04 ... that is though, isn't that a controlled substance?

Larry Sharpe 54:06 No, not at all.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Nicotine?

Larry Sharpe 54:08 Hmm, I don't think it is. I don't think it is.

Joe Rogan 54:11 Hmm.

Larry Sharpe 54:11 Tobacco is, I know.

Joe Rogan 54:13 That's hilarious. If tobacco itself is-

Larry Sharpe 54:16 The point-

Joe Rogan 54:16 ... and the active ingredient isn't.

Larry Sharpe 54:18 The, the point of all of this is why is any of it controlled? And why is vaping controlled?

Joe Rogan 54:26 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 54:27 If you're talking about safety, and this, let me go to safety, I'm glad you brought this up.

Joe Rogan 54:30 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 54:30 All right. Safety. Everyone will tell m- w- w- will tell me, "Well, licensing is for safety, regulations are for safety." They're not.

Joe Rogan 54:39 They're not?

Larry Sharpe 54:39 They're not. And I'll give you, the best example I can give you. Health food stores. The healthiest people you know shop at health food stores. There is almost-

Joe Rogan 54:48 What is a health food store?

Larry Sharpe 54:49 It's a store like, uh, a store where you might go and buy vitamins that are not, that's, that's not GNC.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 54:55 Or a store where you might go and, uh, purchase organic things that's not a regular, um-

Joe Rogan 55:00 Like Whole Foods? Is that what you're saying?

Larry Sharpe 55:01 Not a Whole Foods. Whole Foods is similar, but the mom and pop health food store-

Joe Rogan 55:05 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 55:05 ... which generally speaking is usually privately owned, usually, but not always.

Joe Rogan 55:08 It's kind of a thing from the past, isn't it? Health food stores?

Larry Sharpe 55:11 Yeah. Yeah, I say that because most people understand what I mean when I say that.But if you didn't, I apologize. Most people do understand when I say health food. I mean basically a local store that will sell things like vitamins and-

Joe Rogan 55:21 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 55:21 ... it will sell things like supplements.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Right.

Larry Sharpe 55:23 It'll, it'll be, it's like a GNC. It's often, often it's a mix of like a GNC and grocery store.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 55:29 Usually owned by an individual, but not always, or a family.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 55:32 But that kind of store. Those stores are, are almost not regulated at all. I mean, probably 90% of their products have no FDA approval.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Right, because, uh, there's no FDA approval for supplements.

Larry Sharpe 55:42 Correct. So there's-

Joe Rogan 55:43 Vitamins.

Larry Sharpe 55:43 ... just a stamp that says-

Joe Rogan 55:44 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 55:45 ... "Not approved by FDA." Right?

Joe Rogan 55:46 Right.

Larry Sharpe 55:47 Most of their products are. Um, most of their, their, their, their, their products are just out there. Where are all the deaths from health food stores? There aren't. What health food stores have are standards, lots of standards, tons of standards. Now, some people buy certain products because they believe in them, some people buy certain products because they believe in the brand name. Up to them. Some people go to certain stores, they trust those stores, it's fine. It happens all the time. It's a, it's a standard. What would happen if, say, there was a health food store or even a GNC or any place like that, and there was a supplement that if you took that supplement and, uh, most people who took it would get addicted and do crazy things, and that came out in the news. "Look, here it is. If you take XYZ product, you'll probably go crazy or do something nuts or whatever."

Joe Rogan 56:31 Well, they've had that happen. They removed them. You know, things like-

Larry Sharpe 56:34 Yes, that's correct.

Joe Rogan 56:35 ... Ripped Fuel and-

Larry Sharpe 56:36 It goes away. Yes. That's exactly my point.

Joe Rogan 56:39 ... Jack3D to kill you. Yeah.

Larry Sharpe 56:40 Thank you. It goes away. There's actually repercussions and it goes away. Right?

Joe Rogan 56:45 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 56:45 And maybe there's a lawsuit, maybe not, but it goes away. What if it's FDA approved? Nothing happens. 80% of all of our addicts, FDA approved drugs. Nothing happens. When it's a government monopoly run by a gov- government regulatory body, there's no repercussions. It just keeps killing us.

Joe Rogan 57:03 Well, that's certainly true-

Larry Sharpe 57:04 And it's still killing us.

Joe Rogan 57:04 ... for the pharmaceutical industry.

Larry Sharpe 57:05 Yes. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 57:06 It just keeps killing us on and on and on and on. If you want things to be safe, then let's focus on safety, not focus on control. So I want products to be safe, not controlled.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Okay.

Larry Sharpe 57:20 Controlled is useless. Make them safe.

Joe Rogan 57:23 So how do you make sure that they're safe?

Larry Sharpe 57:24 I'll use the health food store example. So for example, how about competing standards? Standards that are competing. I don't have a problem with the government saying, "These are the standards we believe are the appropriate standards to be safe." They should do that, absolutely. A product is a choice. Take the stamp or not. The, the only exception is, why are they punishing you if you choose not to? What it does-

Joe Rogan 57:44 So you're saying-

Larry Sharpe 57:45 ... by default, it stops innovation-

Joe Rogan 57:46 ... you don't have a problem with government stamps?

Larry Sharpe 57:48 Not at all.

Joe Rogan 57:48 But it has to be something that is voluntary-

Larry Sharpe 57:52 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 57:53 ... by the person who owns the store?

Larry Sharpe 57:54 And by the consumer. Now, how do, what ... My example I gave is, uh, this water probably has it. Yes, it does. It has that Circle U.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 58:02 The Circle U. Do you know what that means?

Joe Rogan 58:04 No.

Larry Sharpe 58:04 It's the Orthodox Union, right? I, I'm in, live in New York City. It's a very high Jewish population in New York City. I have many Jewish friends. And the Orthodox Union means it's a kosher product.

Joe Rogan 58:12 Oh, so that water's kosher?

Larry Sharpe 58:13 This water's kosher, yes.

Joe Rogan 58:14 How does it become kosher? Do they have to bless it?

Larry Sharpe 58:16 There's the issue. I don't know. There's a Circle U on it.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Do you know?

Larry Sharpe 58:18 So if, if you're Jewish and you care about keeping a kosher household, you would buy this product because you trust the Circle U. Is this kosher? I don't know. But the person who buys it believes it and buys it. And what if they found out this, this water was not kosher? Then there'd be a problem. There'd be a, uh, there'd be a, some kind of backlash.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Well, as a person who is a partner in a supplement company and also someone who works for the UFC, who hasn't ... The UFC has giant issues with people taking tainted supplements-

Larry Sharpe 58:47 Sure.

Joe Rogan 58:48 ... there's third party independent verification.

Larry Sharpe 58:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Third party independent testing.

Larry Sharpe 58:53 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 58:54 That really good supplement companies like Onnit and many others-

Larry Sharpe 58:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:57 ... use-

Larry Sharpe 58:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:57 ... where you can find out that there's, you don't have tainted supplements.

Larry Sharpe 59:01 Absolutely. I'd rather have that than how about we have those stamps on products?

Joe Rogan 59:05 I like that.

Larry Sharpe 59:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:06 I like that.

Larry Sharpe 59:06 Have the stamps. And if you want to have a government stamp, have that. And guess what? Maybe you want four stamps. Maybe you want the government stamp plus third party stamp plus Orthodox Union stamp and you as a consumer decide.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Well, what I like about it also is it creates business.

Larry Sharpe 59:16 Yes, it does.

Joe Rogan 59:17 It creates business. Third party independent company-

Larry Sharpe 59:19 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 59:19 ... has their own personal standards and, you know, when they're a really good company, you can rely upon them.

Larry Sharpe 59:24 Yes. And if you don't, you could have competing standards and multiple companies-

Joe Rogan 59:28 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 59:28 ... because you trust one company more than the other or you want both to have that stamp.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Is that a possible solution for education, a third party independent-

Larry Sharpe 59:34 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 59:35 ... verification-

Larry Sharpe 59:35 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 59:36 ... of the education system?

Larry Sharpe 59:37 We've been here for, what, about an hour or so, and you already gave a, a good idea. Yes. Exactly my point.

Joe Rogan 59:42 That seems like a good idea to me.

Larry Sharpe 59:43 There we go.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yeah. That there should be some effective school system that works, and then you take the people that run that effective school system and they have a curriculum and a way of doing things that they could perhaps, uh, you know, teach other, other school systems yes.

Larry Sharpe 59:58 That's the idea of transparency and accountability. That's the whole point.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 So this is the deal with people that are libertarian, right? The idea is that you are a free market person and that you believe in the free market and you believe in less government.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:09 I believe in the consumer.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Right.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:12 I believe in the consumer-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 And then for the people-

Larry Sharpe 1:00:15 ... because as a general rule when things are consumer driven ... And this is not 100% rule.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:18 Look, government isn't always wrong.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Right.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:19 It's often wrong, but not always.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Right.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:22 And the consumer isn't always right, but often right. So as a general rule, consumers tend to drive things better. Like, as I said, kosher water, like supplements. If you don't allow the consumer to decide, you by default stifle innovation. You just stifle innovation, you stifle everything new, because if it can't get through the FDA-

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Mm-hmm.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:41 ... then it can't, it almost can't be done. You, you know the amount of money-

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 And you have centralized control that's very difficult to get past.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:46 You got it. Exactly right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 And they're not really motivated to improve or to innovate.

Larry Sharpe 1:00:50 No. And the opposite. They're, they're actually incentivized to make sure nothing goes wrong so always err on the side of no, no. It becomes the rule of no one, meaning everything is about no. There's no one's job to make it work. This is my point on the education system. The job ... There has to be someone who's, who says, "We have to make this thing work."... I'm the guy who says that. I wanna make it work. Let's make this thing work. Let's just not make sure things go bad, let's make sure that things actually work.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Now, you obviously know far more about New York politics than I do-

Larry Sharpe 1:01:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 ... I know very little about it, but one thing that I do know is it's almost universally regarded as being insanely corrupt.

Larry Sharpe 1:01:29 True.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 You get to a position where you become the governor-

Larry Sharpe 1:01:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 ... how do you clean up that fucking hornet's nest?

Larry Sharpe 1:01:35 Yes. The one thing people always say is, "Larry, you gotta clean it up," like you just said. It's funny, you- you say a lot of things I hear all the time. "You gotta get these guys in jail, you gotta punish them," whatever. I rarely talk about that. And the reason is, okay, you put some guy in jail, you punish him, whatever the case may be. Great. Whose family came back from North Carolina? Whose kid got a better education? Who got a better job? Whose taxes went down? Who's happier? Whose business didn't go under? No one's helped by people going to jail. We feel righteous, and then we pack up and move to North Carolina. I mean, this is not the right answer. We-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 North Carolina's beautiful.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:10 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 You don't know it? (laughs)

Larry Sharpe 1:02:11 It d- there's no-

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 That's part of the problem.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:12 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 You go there, it's all green.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:14 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 There's less people.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:15 It's great.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 People are not- they have a little twang to the way they talk.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:18 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Barbecue's pretty fucking good.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:19 ... I'm trying to make sure a bunch of New Yorkers don't go there and ruin it, see? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 I understand. I understand.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:23 Let's- let's keep 'em in New York.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 I get it.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:24 Keep 'em in New York.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 I get it.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:25 Um, I wanna keep them all in New York. So, m- my- my point being, um, I forgot my point now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Um, I don't know your point.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:34 I don't know my point either.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Corruption-

Larry Sharpe 1:02:35 Thank you, corruption, thank you, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 ... getting rid of the people, putting people in jail.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:37 The goal is not to just put people in jail. The goal is to make a better system.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Right. Well, I'm not-

Larry Sharpe 1:02:40 So there-

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 ... really even interested in putting them in jail. What I'm interested in is figuring out a way to stop corruption.

Larry Sharpe 1:02:45 Yes. Several things.