Joe Rogan Experience #1167 - Larry Sharpe

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Ready, five, four, three,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Ready, five, four, three, two, one. (claps) Larry Sharp. How are you, sir?

   2. LSLarry Sharpe0:08

      I am doing great. Thanks for having me.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Uh, before we get started, I like you.

   4. LSLarry Sharpe0:12

      Oh, that's good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      I like you a lot. I like what you're saying, man.

   6. LSLarry Sharpe0:15

      I'm winning already.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I'm, I'm just telling you right now, up front, I've been listening to a lot of your interviews, watching a lot of your interviews.

   8. LSLarry Sharpe0:20

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      You make sense. You, you-

   10. LSLarry Sharpe0:22

       Oh my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       It's almost like you know you can't win, so you're talking so logically, it's, you might win.

   12. LSLarry Sharpe0:29

       The-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       (laughs)

   14. LSLarry Sharpe0:29

       Yeah. The, the, the, the hope is-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I believe you. (laughs)

   16. LSLarry Sharpe0:32

       ... the, the people who actually have given up-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       (laughs)

   18. LSLarry Sharpe0:33

       ... who think it's so stupid, they don't bother voting, right? So, the, the hope is I say something that makes sense and they go, "Oh, maybe I should vote. Oh my God, maybe I should vote." If those people vote-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You win.

   20. LSLarry Sharpe0:44

       ... I win.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah, there's an untapped resource-

   22. LSLarry Sharpe0:46

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... of unmotivated people who are too fu-

   24. LSLarry Sharpe0:48

       Absolutely.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       But how do we fix that? Is it, is it a matter of getting people... I, I believe firmly that if we could get people to register and vote online-

   26. LSLarry Sharpe0:58

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       ... especially with their phones, it changes the world.

   28. LSLarry Sharpe1:00

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       I really, really, really believe that, and I think that this is also a concern of the people that are in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

   30. LSLarry Sharpe1:08

       100%.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   The Working Families Party?…

   1. LSLarry Sharpe15:00

      to get on the actual ballot so she could be in the primary. There is no way that he allows her to win. She doesn't win. He debated her and because he thought, "Let me just show people that, that I don't care, I can just dismiss her." And that's why he debated her, and he's going to win and she's going to lose. She ... And when she loses, I don't think she's gonna stay in, I doubt she will. If she does, better for me because then it'll be a six-way race, but I doubt she will. She'll probably drop out in some way, shape or form. My odds are she'll run for Congress or something like that in the Working, the Working, uh, Families Party. She'll do something like that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      The Working Families Party?

   3. LSLarry Sharpe15:30

      Yes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      That's, that's another party?

   5. LSLarry Sharpe15:31

      It's another party in New York State, yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      Oh.

   7. LSLarry Sharpe15:32

      How New York state runs, New York state's has a, is a fusion state, which means you can run as multiple parties if you want to. You can have three or four or five lines if you want to. So what often happens is the big two parties, they use it as a way to have issue-based voters. So they'll, they'll literally create parties.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      Mm-hmm.

   9. LSLarry Sharpe15:48

      So they'll create a party that says, "I'm the Working Families Party," and then people go, "Oh, well if not Democrat, I'm a Working Family," and they'll click that. And it's the same guy. Cuomo will be on four or five lines. Happens often. The Republicans on three lines and the Democrat, I think, will be on probably four lines.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       It's a very complicated process.

   11. LSLarry Sharpe16:05

       It is.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Now, is, is there any effort made or is there any discussion whatsoever about potentially moving voting to online? Is that something-

   13. LSLarry Sharpe16:13

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       ... that you would be in favor of?

   15. LSLarry Sharpe16:14

       Not in New York, not in New York State right now. No, I'm, I'm unsure. Um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       You're unsure of it?

   17. LSLarry Sharpe16:18

       I love the concept completely, I do. The only thing I don't know is I don't know the technology behind it. I don't know how safe it is. I just don't know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       But what about banking? If you can bank online-

   19. LSLarry Sharpe16:26

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       ... and that's where all your money goes.

   21. LSLarry Sharpe16:27

       No, I love the idea. I'm just, I don't wanna commit without knowing the technology.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       Right.

   23. LSLarry Sharpe16:31

       If, if we ... New York State is a problem because New York State throws out everything that is new. We've thrown out blockchain, we, we don't wanna do any open source. Um, we threw out, uh, hemp and marijuana. Um, we, we're, we, we, we're trying to destroy the vaping industry. I mean, anything that's new in New York State, we try to get rid of it. We hit with a stick. We're beating up Uber now, we're taxing Uber to pay for the MTA, I mean, which is horrible.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       And is that because of corruption by established bodies that are-

   25. LSLarry Sharpe16:54

       100%.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       Yeah.

   27. LSLarry Sharpe16:55

       New York State likes old money. We're really happy with old money, we do not like new money at all.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       We had, uh-

   29. LSLarry Sharpe17:00

       Which is another reason why the youth is leaving.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       We had the hardest time getting the UFC into New York because of corruption.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. LSLarry Sharpe30:00

      went to school.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. LSLarry Sharpe30:01

      Do you remember how many vice principals there were at any of your schools? Do you remember?

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      No, I don't.

   5. LSLarry Sharpe30:05

      Probably two or three. That was normal in most schools. When I was in school, often it was two or three.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      I don't remember.

   7. LSLarry Sharpe30:12

      Now, there's 12.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      12?

   9. LSLarry Sharpe30:14

      10, 14.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       And why? Why is that?

   11. LSLarry Sharpe30:17

       Because they're administrators and they're making sure other things... They're making sure boxes are checked. So here's your alternative. Your alternative is-... keep funding a broken system-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Mm-hmm.

   13. LSLarry Sharpe30:27

       ... and be afraid, which is what you're saying.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       No, I'm not saying be afraid.

   15. LSLarry Sharpe30:30

       You're saying, you're saying teachers will be afraid, because-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Afraid? Why?

   17. LSLarry Sharpe30:33

       Yeah, because then who-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       Why afraid?

   19. LSLarry Sharpe30:34

       ... who will educate our kids?

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       No, no, overwhelmed.

   21. LSLarry Sharpe30:37

       If we don't ... Overwhelmed? Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Yeah.

   23. LSLarry Sharpe30:38

       A, a fear of, of being overwhelmed, yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       And not just, not just that, but also, like, n- having a, a mandate. Like having-

   25. LSLarry Sharpe30:46

       Yep.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       ... a very strict f-

   27. LSLarry Sharpe30:49

       I'm with you.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       ... curriculum-

   29. LSLarry Sharpe30:50

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       ... they have to teach these children.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. LSLarry Sharpe45:00

      yes, if, those of you who are not in New York. It's a bad system.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Mm-hmm.

   3. LSLarry Sharpe45:02

      I'm not gonna be a hostage because of fear. No. I will fight my jailer. Period. And my jailer is a system that is broken that says, "If you, if you, you better give me more money, otherwise this'll happen. You better give me more money, otherwise this'll happen."

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   5. LSLarry Sharpe45:16

      No. No. I'm gonna fix that system, I'm gonna help facilitate fixing that system. I'm not just gonna let them go away, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I'm gonna help facilitate that system, and to do that, we're gonna lose $4 billion. And we'll get over that, we'll fix that, we'll make it happen. We'll make it work.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      So by-

   7. LSLarry Sharpe45:33

      And if you get more people into this state, and this is the most important piece, you can raise money through other ways than just raising taxes on people. And this is the most critical piece. When we hear funding, and this is why I'm, I was teasing you and calling you a Democrat, because when you talk about funding, you're talking about more taxes. I'm not talking about that. If you get more people to stay in New York State, you raise your revenue without having to raise taxes on anybody.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:55

      But if you raise your revenue, are you gonna put more revenue into the schools?

   9. LSLarry Sharpe45:58

      Of course. There'd be more people in the schools, more reven- yes. Absolutely.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       So you'll spend more money in the schools?

   11. LSLarry Sharpe46:02

       There'll be more people in the schools and more taxes, of course we would. If we could ra- of course we would. Of course. New York State has $170 billion budget with about a $4 billion deficit and $300 billion in debt. And the answer for every Democrat and Republican is, more funding. There's gonna be nothing left. This state's gonna go defund, it's gonna go, it's gonna, it's gonna go under in 10 years.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       So how do you get more people to come to the state?

   13. LSLarry Sharpe46:26

       All right. First thing, by having a really super cool education system as I talked about.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Super cool education system.

   15. LSLarry Sharpe46:31

       Education system. That'll get people to come back.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Are you gonna hire someone to create this super cool education system, or are you gonna let these teachers figure it out on their own?

   17. LSLarry Sharpe46:37

       Look, if, if we need-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       You go, "Hey, teachers, build me a super cool education system so that we get more funding."

   19. LSLarry Sharpe46:42

       I already have the, I already have the infrastructure for the super cool system I just told you. I alread- I've already told you what the, what the infrastructure is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       Hmm.

   21. LSLarry Sharpe46:49

       The, the concept already, the skeleton is already there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       Okay.

   23. LSLarry Sharpe46:51

       Now, once I win in November, we begin to build it out. And yes, it'll be me and other people. Be clear, it's not like New York doesn't have enough, New York State doesn't have enough, uh, workers. We have tons of workers that we can absolutely use to make this happen. Tons of them. Now, if I'm not mistaken, uh, New York State, uh, has the most, by percentage, uh, government employees I think in, I think in the nation. I know we have the most unionized. But I think we're the most, uh, uh, government employees, uh, by percentage.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       So you're gonna move their jobs-

   25. LSLarry Sharpe47:18

       Sure.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:18

       ... to different jobs?

   27. LSLarry Sharpe47:19

       Love it. Yes, let's do that. Love the idea. You're asking details that are simple to fix when the time comes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:25

       And, uh-

   29. LSLarry Sharpe47:26

       Simple to fix.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       ... so you're gonna take people out of what professions and move them into fixing these things?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:06

   So this is the…

   1. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:00

      That's the whole point.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      So this is the deal with people that are libertarian, right? The idea is that you are a free market person and that you believe in the free market and you believe in less government.

   3. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:09

      I believe in the consumer.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Right.

   5. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:12

      I believe in the consumer-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      And then for the people-

   7. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:15

      ... because as a general rule when things are consumer driven ... And this is not 100% rule.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Mm-hmm.

   9. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:18

      Look, government isn't always wrong.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       Right.

   11. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:19

       It's often wrong, but not always.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       Right.

   13. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:22

       And the consumer isn't always right, but often right. So as a general rule, consumers tend to drive things better. Like, as I said, kosher water, like supplements. If you don't allow the consumer to decide, you by default stifle innovation. You just stifle innovation, you stifle everything new, because if it can't get through the FDA-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       Mm-hmm.

   15. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:41

       ... then it can't, it almost can't be done. You, you know the amount of money-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       And you have centralized control that's very difficult to get past.

   17. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:46

       You got it. Exactly right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       And they're not really motivated to improve or to innovate.

   19. LSLarry Sharpe1:00:50

       No. And the opposite. They're, they're actually incentivized to make sure nothing goes wrong so always err on the side of no, no. It becomes the rule of no one, meaning everything is about no. There's no one's job to make it work. This is my point on the education system. The job ... There has to be someone who's, who says, "We have to make this thing work."... I'm the guy who says that. I wanna make it work. Let's make this thing work. Let's just not make sure things go bad, let's make sure that things actually work.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Now, you obviously know far more about New York politics than I do-

   21. LSLarry Sharpe1:01:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       ... I know very little about it, but one thing that I do know is it's almost universally regarded as being insanely corrupt.

   23. LSLarry Sharpe1:01:29

       True.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       You get to a position where you become the governor-

   25. LSLarry Sharpe1:01:32

       Yep.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       ... how do you clean up that fucking hornet's nest?

   27. LSLarry Sharpe1:01:35

       Yes. The one thing people always say is, "Larry, you gotta clean it up," like you just said. It's funny, you- you say a lot of things I hear all the time. "You gotta get these guys in jail, you gotta punish them," whatever. I rarely talk about that. And the reason is, okay, you put some guy in jail, you punish him, whatever the case may be. Great. Whose family came back from North Carolina? Whose kid got a better education? Who got a better job? Whose taxes went down? Who's happier? Whose business didn't go under? No one's helped by people going to jail. We feel righteous, and then we pack up and move to North Carolina. I mean, this is not the right answer. We-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       North Carolina's beautiful.

   29. LSLarry Sharpe1:02:10

       It is.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

       You don't know it? (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:11:09