Joe Rogan Experience #1194 - Sober October 2 Recap

1. 0:00 – 3:15

   Sober October ends: fitness challenge fallout and competitiveness kicks in

   1. ASAri Shaffir0:00

      Five.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. Five, four, three, two, one. Boom. It's over, boys.

   3. BKBert Kreischer0:08

      Cheers.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      We did it.

   5. TSTom Segura0:09

      Cheers. Cheers.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Sober October-

   7. TSTom Segura0:11

      Cheers, buddy.

   8. BKBert Kreischer0:11

      Cheers.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      ... has come to an end.

   10. BKBert Kreischer0:13

       Cheers. (laughs)

   11. TSTom Segura0:14

       (laughs) Cheers.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:14

       It is now No Remember November.

   13. TSTom Segura0:15

       Here we go.

   14. BKBert Kreischer0:16

       Better November. No Remember November. I like that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       First of all, (clears throat) whose fucking stupid idea was it to do this goddamn fitness challenge, Tommy Buns?

   16. BKBert Kreischer0:25

       (laughs)

   17. TSTom Segura0:25

       That was awful.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Last, last year, last year, we did a, a nice, calm 15 hot yogas.

   19. TSTom Segura0:30

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       It was not that big a deal.

   21. BKBert Kreischer0:31

       How is that so awful?

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Not even close.

   23. BKBert Kreischer0:34

       Not even close to this.

   24. TSTom Segura0:35

       Not even close.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       No, this was so much more difficult.

   26. TSTom Segura0:37

       And I didn't expect this-

   27. BKBert Kreischer0:39

       Oh.

   28. TSTom Segura0:39

       ... but I like it.

   29. BKBert Kreischer0:40

       Yeah.

   30. TSTom Segura0:40

       I liked ... I think it's fun to be competitive with your friends.
2. 3:15 – 55:25

   How the scoring worked: heart-rate zones, points-per-minute, and why cardio won

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      So, so peop- so people-

   2. BKBert Kreischer3:15

      I love this.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      ... who don't know what the points are, we'll explain. If you get 70% of your max heart rate, that's three points a minute. If you get 80% of your max fr- heart rate or above, that's four points a minute. So we all tried to stay in the 80 range 'cause that's where you get your money.

   4. TSTom Segura3:27

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:27

      That's where the, that's where the points-

   6. BKBert Kreischer3:28

      So you had to-

   7. TSTom Segura3:28

      So you had to.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:28

      You get two-

   9. BKBert Kreischer3:29

      So a heavy workout for an hour in that range, from 80 to 100, a heavy workout is, gives you 240 points. So if you-

   10. TSTom Segura3:34

       But that's if you're maxxed out for 60 minutes.

   11. BKBert Kreischer3:36

       If you're, if you're maxxed out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Yeah.

   13. BKBert Kreischer3:37

       That just gives you context to what a 600-

   14. TSTom Segura3:40

       Which was easier-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       One day, I got ni- I did a 935-point workout.

   16. BKBert Kreischer3:43

       Jesus. It was over after that. We ... Tom and I were talking.

   17. TSTom Segura3:45

       That was the beginning of the end. Yeah.

   18. BKBert Kreischer3:47

       I was in New York and called him. I was like, "Dude, he's just fucking going dragging elk around."

   19. TSTom Segura3:52

       Yeah.

   20. BKBert Kreischer3:52

       "He has it on the whole time. He's dragging elk around."

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       No, that wasn't even that one.

   22. TSTom Segura3:55

       No, that was another one.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       That was, that was, uh, the, the elk hu- hunting day.

   24. TSTom Segura3:58

       Yeah, that was a different one.

   25. BKBert Kreischer3:58

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       It was mostly, uh, hiking mountains day. That was, like, a 600-point day.

   27. BKBert Kreischer4:02

       Oh, no. That's when it, when, when you were there and you were actually working out in the mountains as well- Yeah, we thought-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       Yeah.

   29. BKBert Kreischer4:07

       ... you had your stops. I was like, I was like, "What the fuck? You're ..." Uh, like, if I would ... I would've been like, "Guys, I'm out coming. This is ..."

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       (laughs)
3. 5:36 – 10:18

   Late-night uploads, ‘tweaker workouts,’ and tracker paranoia/cheating theories

   1. BKBert Kreischer5:36

      No, no, no, fuck Ari. Fuck y- y- I gotta say this. Fuck you with you posting your goddamn workouts in the middle of the night. It was so deflating to go to sleep going- Yeah, I wanted, I watched you go to bed.

   2. TSTom Segura5:44

      I've got a 200-point lead-

   3. BKBert Kreischer5:46

      Of course.

   4. TSTom Segura5:46

      ... and then wake up and go, "How am I 600 points behind?"

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      (laughs)

   6. BKBert Kreischer5:48

      I tried to break spirit.

   7. TSTom Segura5:49

      It was fun.

   8. BKBert Kreischer5:50

      Because that's the other thing. Ari went through, when he got this tracker, and he found out all the work, workarounds. So he would build up work points in his tracker and then he'd Bluetooth it in the middle of the fucking night.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      Yeah.

   10. ASAri Shaffir6:01

       No, I'd also do the workouts then.

   11. TSTom Segura6:02

       He would work out?

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       Oh, he was doing workouts at, like, 10:00, 10:00 PM.

   13. BKBert Kreischer6:04

       I'd come home from the cellar at 1:30 AM, and then I'd be like-

   14. TSTom Segura6:06

       Yeah.

   15. BKBert Kreischer6:06

       ... "Let me change and go out there." That was the worst.

   16. TSTom Segura6:08

       Dude, that was so- He would go out to the gym at 2:00 in the morning.

   17. BKBert Kreischer6:10

       Oh, you were going at 2:00?

   18. TSTom Segura6:11

       Yeah.

   19. BKBert Kreischer6:11

       Yeah.

   20. ... I thought you were uploading in the middle of the night.

   21. TSTom Segura6:14

       No.

   22. ASAri Shaffir6:15

       Oh, you could see the time, the time that he was actually doing it.

   23. TSTom Segura6:18

       Yeah, it's the freaks were out.

   24. ASAri Shaffir6:19

       Yeah.

   25. TSTom Segura6:20

       It was the tweakers.

   26. BKBert Kreischer6:20

       For a second, Tom and I thought that because Ari was so out of shape, his heart rate was just skyrocketing.

   27. ASAri Shaffir6:25

       (laughs)

   28. TSTom Segura6:25

       (laughs)

   29. BKBert Kreischer6:25

       Like Ralphie walking up the stairs. And then Ari and I went on a walk, on a hike, and I was in the yellow the whole time and Ari was barely in green. And I was like, "Oh, he's in, he's in really good shape." And then you did that day with Joe-

   30. ASAri Shaffir6:37

       The best is that he really bought that theory really hard.
4. 10:18 – 55:25

   Tom’s (attempted) age hack and other ‘cheat’ ideas

   1. TSTom Segura10:18

      That's... Yeah, you get that 400. Can I tell you my other cheat?

   2. BKBert Kreischer10:20

      Yeah.

   3. TSTom Segura10:20

      Uh, okay, I figured out pretty quickly that the way they do your max heart rate is, um, your age minus a c- no, a certain number minus your age. And then you, you get it from there. Then when you actually run it'll move up or down from there. But right away, I was like, "Oh, okay." So I entered my age and, before I started, I wrote to the MyZone people and said, "My idiot wife wrote my age in wrong. I'm actually 74." (laughs) Uh, "I was born in '44 not '74 and '44 the other way." And they're like, "Oh, all right, we'll change it for you, sir."

   4. ASAri Shaffir10:51

      What?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:52

      Whoa.

   6. TSTom Segura10:52

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      So you put that you had a 70-year-old man profile?

   8. TSTom Segura10:55

      Yeah, yeah. Um-

   9. BKBert Kreischer10:57

      Hold on.

   10. TSTom Segura10:57

       Yeah.

   11. BKBert Kreischer10:58

       Just wait, hold on, hold on.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       It's a good move.

   13. BKBert Kreischer10:59

       Hold on, the whole month, hold on, the whole month you worked out as a 74-year-old man?

   14. TSTom Segura11:02

       No, I could've done that. The problem is, I'd already set it as the other thing. And so it'll say you have to then... You have to have a brand new thing. It didn't work.

   15. BKBert Kreischer11:11

       Oh. So you're stuck as a 44?

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Ah.

   17. TSTom Segura11:12

       Yeah. It would've been great-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       So you gotta stick with your age?

   19. TSTom Segura11:14

       It would've been great for me though just to walk around casually earning yellow the whole time.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Whoa.

   21. TSTom Segura11:18

       Which I could've gotten.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       That would've been insane.

   23. TSTom Segura11:20

       Yeah, that was definitely a good cheat in my mind. That- when that went wrong, I was like, "Fuck."

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Yeah, I feel like that one would've disqualified you.

   25. TSTom Segura11:28

       Oh, for sure.

   26. BKBert Kreischer11:28

       100%.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       (laughs)

   28. TSTom Segura11:29

       I would never have told you that. By the way, I would never have told you that.

   29. BKBert Kreischer11:31

       I'm still on the fence with these fucking five-hour hikes he was taking.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       Well, listen, man. Hiking is work. All right?
5. 12:11 – 22:13

   Training realities: hills vs machines, minimalist shoes, fatigue, soreness, and time management

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      Dude, my hardest workouts scored the shittiest. My hardest workouts are running the hills and lifting weights. If I run the hills, it gives me-... almost 40 points less than if I just rode a bike or rode an elliptical machine-

   2. TSTom Segura12:25

      'Cause you're not-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:25

      Stayed in the zone.

   4. ... 'cause it's so f-

   5. TSTom Segura12:26

      And you go up and down, you have to pause.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:28

      And the way I do it is I run hard and I take breaks. I take, like, a deep breath when I get to the top of one hill.

   7. TSTom Segura12:34

      He strokes his dick the whole time too, so that's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      I rub-

   9. TSTom Segura12:36

      ... difficult. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       I rub my balls together-

   11. 12 points. (laughs)

   12. ... with my left hand and I give myself another, you know, sprint until I can't... I have, like, these points where I know I can make it too if I go full clip.

   13. TSTom Segura12:46

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       And then I try to extend it a little bit and I keep trying to extend it. But when I do that, I'm going in the red. And on top of going in the red, um, I'm... It's like with lifting weights, like you need recovery time.

   15. TSTom Segura12:57

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       And in recovery time, your heart rate crashes way low. You could just do the elliptical machine and just put it at like 15 resistance so it's got some, some give to it-

   17. TSTom Segura13:06

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       ... and you start sweating. And then you get into a zone. You just get into a really-

   19. Yeah, and you just keep sweating.

   20. ... it's way easier.

   21. Uh-huh.

   22. But it's... A machine makes it all easy.

   23. TSTom Segura13:13

       But those-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Because you just get into a zone, you just gotta be strong.

   25. TSTom Segura13:16

       I think the thing with those though, I mean, even though, like, if you do the intense workout, recovery's gonna be, you know, you're gonna need it, you're gonna feel it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       Yeah.

   27. TSTom Segura13:24

       If you do those for like days in a row-

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Mm-hmm.

   29. TSTom Segura13:27

       ... there is still a fatigue, right? Like 'cause you're-

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Oh, yeah.
6. 22:13 – 55:25

   Mental & emotional effects: sleep, reduced anxiety, endorphin ‘pill,’ and tech detox theory

   1. BKBert Kreischer22:13

      Dude, but how about those sleeps though? I was sleeping like a fucking perfect person.

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:17

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BKBert Kreischer22:17

      Like a baby.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:18

      Yeah.

   5. TSTom Segura22:18

      Most the time.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:19

      You know what I noticed? And what- it's a big one for me.

   7. TSTom Segura22:21

      What?

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:21

      It really might make me change the way I live, is zero anxiety.

   9. BKBert Kreischer22:26

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       Zero negative chatter.

   11. TSTom Segura22:28

       Exhausted.

   12. That's what I found.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Zero chatter.

   14. BKBert Kreischer22:30

       Well...

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       There's just something of-

   16. TSTom Segura22:31

       I found it too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:31

       ... there's a realistic view of the world that you get from rigorous exercise.

   18. TSTom Segura22:37

       Uh-huh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       And- and ya- and this is my theory, and it's- I'm not a biologist, but I think that there's- we have too much of a history as a species of constantly avoiding danger, and I think we live in a place that's far too safe for our natural instincts. And so we're constantly looking for things to be bad-

   20. BKBert Kreischer22:53

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       ... we're looking for things to be dangerous or confronting- confronting our own mortality and putting it on the back burner and letting all that weirdness manifest itself in all sorts of other fears. Fears about the government, fears about economics, and fears about this. And I think we're dealing with this as human beings all the time, and I think there's only a certain amount you can do. And I think when you have rigorous exercise, it puts in perspective what that certain amount actually is and what you can control as a person. That you can- you can just chill your body out and look at this whole thing for what it is. It is what it is. You know, we- we're gonna be fine or we're not, and then we- it won't matter. But this- this- this whole thing that we do when we do this, we do this because our body has a need for exercise. It has a built in need. It's got an engine that needs to be pushed, and if you don't push it, it starts fucking with you. It starts fucking with you and asking you weird questions like, "Who the fuck does that guy think he is?" Like it wants to start problems.

   22. TSTom Segura23:51

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       It wants to get upset at things that don't make any sense to be upset at. It wants conflict. There's a part of you that wants conflict because it thinks that conflict is a part of the programming, 'cause it's been our way for millions of years. So whatever the fuck we were then to whatever the fuck we are now, there's been conflict along the way, people have been trying to eat us, things have been trying to kill us, and this is the only time ever that there's none of that. And I think the only time you could see things with perspective is when you blow out all the biological shit, whether it's jerk off... Like how many times have you jerked off and then had a totally different opinion-

   24. BKBert Kreischer24:23

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:23

       ... of- of- of a person, about... (laughs) Like you've jerked off and not called people.

   26. BKBert Kreischer24:28

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:29

       Like, "Why would I call this person after I just jerked off?"

   28. TSTom Segura24:32

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:32

       Like, no, now I see- I see what this hole is. This is some weird biological trick.

   30. TSTom Segura24:37

       Ugh.
7. 48:12 – 1:01:40

   Big tangent: hunting stories, moose/elk, grizzly encounters, and polar bear fear

   1. JRJoe Rogan48:12

      I saw Adam Greentree, like, kill some elk in s- wherever the fuck he is these days and a bear claimed it. Mm-hmm.

   2. TSTom Segura48:18

      Did you see that?

   3. JRJoe Rogan48:19

      Yeah, he shot a moose.

   4. BKBert Kreischer48:20

      Jesus Christ.

   5. JRJoe Rogan48:22

      And it was in, uh-

   6. TSTom Segura48:22

      The bear just went on. He's like, "This is mine."

   7. JRJoe Rogan48:23

      Yeah, he shot a moose-

   8. TSTom Segura48:23

      "This is mine. I pissed on it and I dug it out."

   9. JRJoe Rogan48:25

      ... in the Yukon and a grizzly bear claimed it and covered it with dirt.

   10. BKBert Kreischer48:30

       Right away?

   11. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       Yeah, the entire moose. No, he, he shot it. They took part of it. See, what... A moose is probably like 1800 pounds. They're so big. They're like... A big elk, like a Rocky Mountain elk's like 800 pounds. That's a big one. A moose is 1000 pounds bigger than that when it's fully mature. So some-

   12. TSTom Segura48:49

       Whoa.

   13. JRJoe Rogan48:49

       And that's what Adam shot.

   14. BKBert Kreischer48:50

       God.

   15. JRJoe Rogan48:50

       He shot a gigantic moose. So they can only carry so much of it out. Like this, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pounds of meat. 1800 pounds moose might be seven, 800 pounds of it is meat.

   16. BKBert Kreischer49:02

       Fuck. Wow.

   17. JRJoe Rogan49:03

       You know? So you have to take it out in loads. So if you have two guys-

   18. BKBert Kreischer49:06

       Oh, Lord.

   19. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       ... right? You're taking out several loads. So they took out one pack out and then they came back and a giant grizzly bear had claimed it and covered it up.

   20. BKBert Kreischer49:16

       And the grizzly bear was still in the area?

   21. JRJoe Rogan49:17

       Oh, yeah. He covered up the moose.

   22. BKBert Kreischer49:18

       Oh, dude, Adam Greenree is one of my favorite people to follow on Instagram.

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:21

       Mm-hmm.

   24. BKBert Kreischer49:21

       But I know that no one likes when there's a lot of-

   25. ... little bleeps in a story. But when I go on Adam Greentree and he's got a hundred little dots, I go, "Oh, this is gonna be a good one."

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:29

       Yeah. It's adam.greentree on, uh, Instagram. And he's a, he's a bow hunter from Australia. And Australia's-

   27. BKBert Kreischer49:36

       He's an ass.

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       ... an interesting place because one of the reasons why, I mean, he's, he's just a real smart guy. And a really, uh, uh, he's like, he's the real deal. Uh-

   29. BKBert Kreischer49:43

       A real deal in every way. And I'll, I'll pimp him out.

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:44

       Just as a person.

Episode duration: 4:22:46