The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1194 - Sober October 2 Recap
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Sober October officially ends: instant celebration and post-challenge disbelief
- ASAri Shaffir
Five.
- JRJoe Rogan
Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. Five, four, three, two, one. Boom. It's over, boys.
- BKBert Kreischer
Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
We did it.
- TSTom Segura
Cheers. Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sober October-
- TSTom Segura
Cheers, buddy.
- BKBert Kreischer
Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
... has come to an end.
- BKBert Kreischer
Cheers. (laughs)
- TSTom Segura
(laughs) Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
It is now No Remember November.
- TSTom Segura
Here we go.
- BKBert Kreischer
Better November. No Remember November. I like that.
- 0:19 – 3:00
How the competition got personal: strategies, trash talk, and psychological games
- JRJoe Rogan
First of all, (clears throat) whose fucking stupid idea was it to do this goddamn fitness challenge, Tommy Buns?
- BKBert Kreischer
(laughs)
- TSTom Segura
That was awful.
- JRJoe Rogan
Last, last year, last year, we did a, a nice, calm 15 hot yogas.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was not that big a deal.
- BKBert Kreischer
How is that so awful?
- JRJoe Rogan
Not even close.
- BKBert Kreischer
Not even close to this.
- TSTom Segura
Not even close.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, this was so much more difficult.
- TSTom Segura
And I didn't expect this-
- BKBert Kreischer
Oh.
- TSTom Segura
... but I like it.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
I liked ... I think it's fun to be competitive with your friends.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TSTom Segura
It's a fun thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was fun.
- TSTom Segura
I mean, not year round.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- TSTom Segura
But, like, like, isolating something like this?
- JRJoe Rogan
Once a year.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
Oh, you get to see different sides of people you didn't know existed. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
Oh, yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
Jesus Christ, Joe. I wasn't happy for any of you.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BKBert Kreischer
I'm happy any of you worked out. So you have no idea.
- 3:00 – 5:07
The MyZone points system explained (and why 600–1000 point days were insane)
- TSTom Segura
For context-
- BKBert Kreischer
Like, I was looking at the ... Uh, th- uh, the ... When we started this month and I put in my 700-point day, everyone was a little bit like, "Wow, Bert." Uh, by the way, I ran almost a marathon that day. Have no fucking clue. I was just looking at my goddamn phone the whole time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just checking the points.
- BKBert Kreischer
Just checking the points. I was always-
- TSTom Segura
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
So, so peop- so people-
- BKBert Kreischer
I love this.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who don't know what the points are, we'll explain. If you get 70% of your max heart rate, that's three points a minute. If you get 80% of your max fr- heart rate or above, that's four points a minute. So we all tried to stay in the 80 range 'cause that's where you get your money.
- TSTom Segura
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's where the, that's where the points-
- BKBert Kreischer
So you had to-
- TSTom Segura
So you had to.
- JRJoe Rogan
You get two-
- BKBert Kreischer
So a heavy workout for an hour in that range, from 80 to 100, a heavy workout is, gives you 240 points. So if you-
- TSTom Segura
But that's if you're maxxed out for 60 minutes.
- BKBert Kreischer
If you're, if you're maxxed out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
That just gives you context to what a 600-
- TSTom Segura
Which was easier-
- JRJoe Rogan
One day, I got ni- I did a 935-point workout.
- BKBert Kreischer
Jesus. It was over after that. We ... Tom and I were talking.
- TSTom Segura
That was the beginning of the end. Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
I was in New York and called him. I was like, "Dude, he's just fucking going dragging elk around."
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
"He has it on the whole time. He's dragging elk around."
- JRJoe Rogan
No, that wasn't even that one.
- TSTom Segura
No, that was another one.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was, that was, uh, the, the elk hu- hunting day.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah, that was a different one.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- 5:07 – 7:08
Late-night uploading drama: Ari’s ‘night moves’ and the battle for the leaderboard
- BKBert Kreischer
Does the family see you guys anymore? (laughs)
- TSTom Segura
Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Did ... Like, (laughs) there was, like ... I, I didn't have ... I ... There was a ... It was ... A part of it was time management.
- BKBert Kreischer
I was ... I suffered socially from this.
- TSTom Segura
That's a huge part of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- BKBert Kreischer
(laughs)
- TSTom Segura
A har- a huge part ... The huge part was, like, who had the most time to spend in the gym?
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
I was here two Mondays ago, or last Monday, and it was, it was ... It's popping out at the Comedy Store. I was gonna hang out with everybody, you know. And then it was like, "No, it's 10 o'clock. Gotta ... I gotta get a couple of hours in." And then, "Oh, well."
- TSTom Segura
Your workouts, your workouts were so late.
- BKBert Kreischer
So late. (laughs)
- TSTom Segura
'Cause they were all logs.
- BKBert Kreischer
No, no, no, fuck Ari. Fuck y- y- I gotta say this. Fuck you with you posting your goddamn workouts in the middle of the night. It was so deflating to go to sleep going- Yeah, I wanted, I watched you go to bed.
- TSTom Segura
I've got a 200-point lead-
- BKBert Kreischer
Of course.
- TSTom Segura
... and then wake up and go, "How am I 600 points behind?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BKBert Kreischer
I tried to break spirit.
- TSTom Segura
It was fun.
- BKBert Kreischer
Because that's the other thing. Ari went through, when he got this tracker, and he found out all the work, workarounds. So he would build up work points in his tracker and then he'd Bluetooth it in the middle of the fucking night.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
No, I'd also do the workouts then.
- TSTom Segura
He would work out?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, he was doing workouts at, like, 10:00, 10:00 PM.
- BKBert Kreischer
I'd come home from the cellar at 1:30 AM, and then I'd be like-
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
... "Let me change and go out there." That was the worst.
- TSTom Segura
Dude, that was so- He would go out to the gym at 2:00 in the morning.
- 7:08 – 7:41
Cheating ideas (real and imagined): age hacks, proxy wearers, and disqualification-worthy schemes
- TSTom Segura
And then I kept going. Okay, first of all, I had fallback plans.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, what was the plans?
- TSTom Segura
Okay, Michelle Wolf offered to give... Let me just have her wear the thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- TSTom Segura
From day one, that was definitely the fallback plan.
- BKBert Kreischer
Tom, but I knew that was gonna happen regardless.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is she a workout fiend?
- TSTom Segura
Oh yeah, she runs 10 miles a day every day.
- BKBert Kreischer
Oh my God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- TSTom Segura
And when I asked her, I was like, "Hey, would you wear this thing for me if I needed you to?" She goes, "I know what you're talking about. Absolutely I'll wear it for you."
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- TSTom Segura
"I will stay in the right zone, I'll tell no one." She feels left out. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- TSTom Segura
She thinks she would lap all of us.
- BKBert Kreischer
She's a beast.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah, she goes crazy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. Yeah, she probably would.
- 7:41 – 12:11
Joe’s 5.5-hour elliptical marathon: meditative suffering, sweat storms, and a fire alarm
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, this is... None of this is what we do.
- BKBert Kreischer
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I don't do long cardio sessions.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I did five and a half hours on an elliptical after running for an hour.
- TSTom Segura
Five- What?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
This is how you get one of those crazy days.
- JRJoe Rogan
I o- that's why I got 935 points. I, I ran for an hour and then I stayed on the elliptical for five and a half hours.
- ASAri Shaffir
Wow.
- TSTom Segura
You would see it going, you'd check it and be like, "Fucking Brogan got 300 points." And then you'd talk and you'd check back in 30 minutes later and be like, "Oh no, it's still going."
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
"It's still going."
- ASAri Shaffir
What the fuck?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I just wanted to see how far I could go. The thought was, like, when you're tired, how tired are you? Can you take another step? Okay. Can you take two? Okay. Can you take three? Can you just keep going? I bet you can keep going. Let's see how long you can keep going. And then you get to this point where you just, just think about breathing. Just think about breathing.
- TSTom Segura
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's all I was thinking about. I was just thinking about in and outs and just trying to stay... Almost like a meditative state, trying to stay in the zone.
- TSTom Segura
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I was pouring sweat. I set off the fire alarm.
- ASAri Shaffir
That's right. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause there was so much steam coming off my body.
- ASAri Shaffir
I've never seen that before.
- TSTom Segura
That's nuts.
- JRJoe Rogan
It set off the fire alarm.
- TSTom Segura
That's nuts.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was like four hours in, the fire alarm.
- ASAri Shaffir
I feel like that's a story most people don't get to tell about themselves, you know?
- TSTom Segura
(laughs)
- ASAri Shaffir
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, it was madness. (alarm going off) This is not how I work out. I work out for a, like, maybe an hour at most. I hit the bag, I'll do some rounds, I'll lift little weights. I'm not trying to kill myself. Like, this was, this was very interesting, 'cause I didn't, I didn't know what... How my body would respond-
- 12:11 – 20:48
Training tactics: machines vs. hills, minimalist shoes, and staying distracted
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, my hardest workouts scored the shittiest. My hardest workouts are running the hills and lifting weights. If I run the hills, it gives me-... almost 40 points less than if I just rode a bike or rode an elliptical machine-
- TSTom Segura
'Cause you're not-
- JRJoe Rogan
Stayed in the zone.
... 'cause it's so f-
- TSTom Segura
And you go up and down, you have to pause.
- JRJoe Rogan
And the way I do it is I run hard and I take breaks. I take, like, a deep breath when I get to the top of one hill.
- TSTom Segura
He strokes his dick the whole time too, so that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
I rub-
- TSTom Segura
... difficult. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I rub my balls together-
12 points. (laughs)
... with my left hand and I give myself another, you know, sprint until I can't... I have, like, these points where I know I can make it too if I go full clip.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then I try to extend it a little bit and I keep trying to extend it. But when I do that, I'm going in the red. And on top of going in the red, um, I'm... It's like with lifting weights, like you need recovery time.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And in recovery time, your heart rate crashes way low. You could just do the elliptical machine and just put it at like 15 resistance so it's got some, some give to it-
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and you start sweating. And then you get into a zone. You just get into a really-
Yeah, and you just keep sweating.
... it's way easier.
Uh-huh.
But it's... A machine makes it all easy.
- TSTom Segura
But those-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because you just get into a zone, you just gotta be strong.
- TSTom Segura
I think the thing with those though, I mean, even though, like, if you do the intense workout, recovery's gonna be, you know, you're gonna need it, you're gonna feel it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
If you do those for like days in a row-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TSTom Segura
... there is still a fatigue, right? Like 'cause you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- 20:48 – 25:27
Physical and mental side effects: dehydration scares, libido jokes, sleep gains, and anxiety relief
- TSTom Segura
The last week or so was like dangerous.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wait, wait, wait.
- TSTom Segura
That- that- it became a fight for seconds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, it got tricky when I started pissing iced tea-
- TSTom Segura
Yeah, that's fucked up.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of people were asking me about it. It's just dehydration, that's all it is.
- TSTom Segura
That's not- that's not a just.
Well, a lot of people-
- BKBert Kreischer
Dude, people would message us, by the way.
- JRJoe Rogan
I got some dark pits.
- BKBert Kreischer
Like, "Joe's gonna die. Joe's gonna..."
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm okay, I didn't get rabid. But people- some people were upset, like- like they wanted me almost to get it because I'm always ragging on these CrossFit guys that get it.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I have not ragged on them. What I've had- said is that I have heard some negative opinions about CrossFits from experts that I trust, like Steve Maxwell. I'm not a fitness expert by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know whether or not CrossFit's bad or good, and I bet it's probably based on your application, the way you do it. Because if somebody asks me, "Is jujitsu good for your body?" (sighs) I'd be like, "Well, I've had a bunch of surgeries."
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody I know has had surgeries.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody I know that does jujitsu, ah, our against- uh, he didn't even get his blue belt and he got surgery.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TSTom Segura
But I will say before we started this podcast, Joe did say those, uh, CrossFit people are tree hugging hippies.
- BKBert Kreischer
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) I'm a tree hugging hippie.
- TSTom Segura
Uh, who wanna get their yoga black belt.
- JRJoe Rogan
I want a yoga black belt. I'd love a yoga black belt. I'm like a blue belt in yoga.
- BKBert Kreischer
Dude, halfway through the month, I told Tom this the other day and he laughed and so I tried it on stage and it worked, but I stopped producing semen. (laughs)
- TSTom Segura
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Just coughing dust?
- BKBert Kreischer
Dude, my dick had the dry heaves just... (imitates retching)
- 25:27 – 40:25
Ari’s engine and anger: surprising endurance, rower brutality, and competitive identity
- BKBert Kreischer
I like the first break of sweat. I like, I love... What I love. And I, I have to say, I have to give props to people more than anything, but Ari doing that rower redefined the way I, I had to look at working out because I went... He, he was in 80%. Like, I know what 80% feels like.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
On a rower.
- BKBert Kreischer
He was there for an hour.
- JRJoe Rogan
On a rower, it's fucking hard.
- ASAri Shaffir
That was a tough one. And some of them are harder than others to keep at 80%. Biking was way harder. Mm-hmm. Did you know, did you know you were capable of it? Seriously, did you know? No.
- JRJoe Rogan
I thought he was capable of it.
- BKBert Kreischer
I, I, I did not. I did not.
- ASAri Shaffir
I, uh, uh, uh, running and stuff, that's fine. I could sort of do like that.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
But I didn't know quite how much.
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's the, here's the deal.
- BKBert Kreischer
80% on a rower.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ari's angry.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah. I am angry. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Ari's an angry person.
- BKBert Kreischer
Really? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Ari gets angry. Yes. Even when he's playful, angry.
- ASAri Shaffir
That's my, that's my, that's my zen spot.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But even when Ari's playful angry, it's still energy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like that anger, like the anger that he gave everybody on that fucking podcast.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- BKBert Kreischer
Ugh.
- JRJoe Rogan
The one you did with someone from my-
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah, your hate cast. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
One of my favorite podcasts ever.
- BKBert Kreischer
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Ari's hiking around doing a podcast talking shit about us.
- 40:25 – 48:12
Not sustainable: rhabdo talk, overtraining limits, and what ‘healthy’ training looks like after October
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, here's the thing. What- what we did was not healthy.
- BKBert Kreischer
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is what I wanted to talk about.
- ASAri Shaffir
Can you smell that ice on this?
- JRJoe Rogan
Not sustainable.
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah, no chance. And, um, I, uh-
- TSTom Segura
I'm gonna keep it up.
- BKBert Kreischer
Like, all- no bullshit.
- TSTom Segura
No, no, not sustainable. It's crazy.
- ASAri Shaffir
Fuck no.
- BKBert Kreischer
No, I'm gonna- I'm gonna keep up. Spin class and try to do, on evenings, try to do-
- ASAri Shaffir
By the way-
- BKBert Kreischer
... a six-mile jog.
- TSTom Segura
Uh, that's a good thought. What can we- what can we keep up?
- ASAri Shaffir
The 31st- the 31st-
- BKBert Kreischer
Yeah.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
Like, I talked to you- I talked to everybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAri Shaffir
But that last workout.
- TSTom Segura
Yeah. I was dead.
- ASAri Shaffir
I- I couldn't- I couldn't have gone that much further.
- TSTom Segura
It's like, "Oh, my God."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, no, in- in all honesty, after my piss came out a weird color, I really did, um, have phantom pains in my kidneys. I really was like, "Maybe that was- wasn't just dehydration."
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Maybe there's something more. Maybe there's something going on." I really did have some weird phantom idea that there was a pain, but physically, I felt pretty good, man.
- ASAri Shaffir
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because the whole thing was, the- the lot of that rhabdo, and here's the thing about, it's called rhabdomyolysis. Is that how you say it? Did I say it right? Rhabdo, um, has actually been the s- source of death for a few fighters, where, um, guys got really beat up in a crazy, really difficult fight, and the- the thing that did them in was they were probably overtrained.
- TSTom Segura
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they probably did too much in the gym, didn't give themselves enough time to recover, and then had a really brutal fight.
- 48:12 – 1:04:02
Conversation detour: hunting stories, grizzly encounters, and why ‘monsters are real’
- JRJoe Rogan
I saw Adam Greentree, like, kill some elk in s- wherever the fuck he is these days and a bear claimed it. Mm-hmm.
- TSTom Segura
Did you see that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he shot a moose.
- BKBert Kreischer
Jesus Christ.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it was in, uh-
- TSTom Segura
The bear just went on. He's like, "This is mine."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he shot a moose-
- TSTom Segura
"This is mine. I pissed on it and I dug it out."
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the Yukon and a grizzly bear claimed it and covered it with dirt.
- BKBert Kreischer
Right away?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the entire moose. No, he, he shot it. They took part of it. See, what... A moose is probably like 1800 pounds. They're so big. They're like... A big elk, like a Rocky Mountain elk's like 800 pounds. That's a big one. A moose is 1000 pounds bigger than that when it's fully mature. So some-
- TSTom Segura
Whoa.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's what Adam shot.
- BKBert Kreischer
God.
- JRJoe Rogan
He shot a gigantic moose. So they can only carry so much of it out. Like this, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pounds of meat. 1800 pounds moose might be seven, 800 pounds of it is meat.
- BKBert Kreischer
Fuck. Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? So you have to take it out in loads. So if you have two guys-
- BKBert Kreischer
Oh, Lord.
- JRJoe Rogan
... right? You're taking out several loads. So they took out one pack out and then they came back and a giant grizzly bear had claimed it and covered it up.
- BKBert Kreischer
And the grizzly bear was still in the area?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. He covered up the moose.
- BKBert Kreischer
Oh, dude, Adam Greenree is one of my favorite people to follow on Instagram.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BKBert Kreischer
But I know that no one likes when there's a lot of-
... little bleeps in a story. But when I go on Adam Greentree and he's got a hundred little dots, I go, "Oh, this is gonna be a good one."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's adam.greentree on, uh, Instagram. And he's a, he's a bow hunter from Australia. And Australia's-
- BKBert Kreischer
He's an ass.
- JRJoe Rogan
... an interesting place because one of the reasons why, I mean, he's, he's just a real smart guy. And a really, uh, uh, he's like, he's the real deal. Uh-
- BKBert Kreischer
A real deal in every way. And I'll, I'll pimp him out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just as a person.
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