Joe Rogan Experience #1303 - Tommy Chong

Joe Rogan 0:00 (claps) Tommy Chong, ladies and gentlemen.

Tommy Chong 0:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:05 How are you, sir?

Tommy Chong 0:05 (laughs) I'm fine, man.

Joe Rogan 0:07 It's great to see you again, man.

Tommy Chong 0:08 You too, Joe.

Joe Rogan 0:09 I tell everybody that one of my first ever experiences with comedy recordings was listening to Big Bambu when I was a kid.

Tommy Chong 0:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:18 My parents had it, and, uh, they'd let us listen to it. We'd open it up like a big old packet of rolling papers-

Tommy Chong 0:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 ... and pull out the albums back then-

Tommy Chong 0:26 Sure.

Joe Rogan 0:26 ... the, the actual record.

Tommy Chong 0:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:28 You know? And so I've been a fan for a long time.

Tommy Chong 0:31 Okay. Yeah. I can tell, man. I can tell.

Joe Rogan 0:33 (laughs) How are you?

Tommy Chong 0:34 The lover of the weed. I'm, I'm fine, man. I, I'm... couldn't be better. You know? I'm... I'll be 81 Friday.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Wow.

Tommy Chong 0:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:43 That's amazing.

Tommy Chong 0:44 It is.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Does it sound crazy to say? 'Cause I'm 51, that sounds crazy to say. When I say it, I'm like, "Jesus, is that true?"

Tommy Chong 0:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:49 Fuck.

Tommy Chong 0:50 I'm 30 years older than you.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Wow.

Tommy Chong 0:52 Wow. That's something. But I feel good, man. You know? All the systems are go again, you know, and that, that makes a big difference in your life, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:02 That's when I found out the fountain of youth is, uh, the pussy.

Joe Rogan 1:06 That's it?

Tommy Chong 1:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07 That's all it is?

Tommy Chong 1:07 Drink out of the fountain of youth and you'll live forever.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Really?

Tommy Chong 1:10 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Okay.

Tommy Chong 1:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12 What about if you're gay?

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 1:13 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:15 Well, I guess-

Joe Rogan 1:15 Long pause. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:16 ... the fountain of y- Yeah, I had to think about that one.

Joe Rogan 1:20 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:20 (laughs) Well, I guess-

Joe Rogan 1:21 It might be dick for them.

Tommy Chong 1:22 ... I guess it... No. I... No, no.

Joe Rogan 1:24 It might-

Tommy Chong 1:24 It has to be the fountain. It has to be the fountain.

Joe Rogan 1:28 So even for gay folks, it's gotta be pussy too?

Tommy Chong 1:31 Well, how long... What's the longest living gay guy that you know?

Joe Rogan 1:34 That's a good question. Huh.

Tommy Chong 1:38 Like Bob Hope, man. He-

Joe Rogan 1:40 Was he gay?

Tommy Chong 1:40 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:44 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:44 At least, at least one night I knew him, he wasn't. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:49 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:49 No, that's my fountain of youth.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:51 You know? Because it, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:52 Sure. Romance.

Tommy Chong 1:53 Well, what happens is, uh, your body, when it reaches a certain stage, it, it starts disintegrating because it's getting ready for the recall-

Joe Rogan 2:03 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 2:03 ... and the reboot.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 2:05 And, and you get a new body, and away you go again. But if you keep this body healthy, uh, it, it feels that there's no need to, uh, to leave because then you s- obviously still got more shit to do.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Yeah. You're still enjoying it.

Tommy Chong 2:19 Yeah. You're still, uh, pro- producing, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:22 Are you exercising and everything?

Tommy Chong 2:23 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Yeah? What do you do?

Tommy Chong 2:25 I got a trainer now.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 2:27 But my main exercise is tango.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Tango?

Tommy Chong 2:30 Tango.

Joe Rogan 2:31 Really?

Tommy Chong 2:32 I will turn you on to tango. Tango is old folk sex. Y- you... The whole thing about tango is it's so intricate. It was a... The original tango was a, a mating dance from Africa.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Really?

Tommy Chong 2:48 And what they would do, they, the, the tribes, the young kids would get together and dance and flirt with their feet. And so when the slaves got taken, you know, (laughs) from Africa and put on the boats and that, they ended up crossing t- the, the foot dance with the adagio French dance, the dance of the brothels.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Oh.

Tommy Chong 3:10 And so the... So then they ended up with a, a music or a dance called tango, which was a combination. Tango itself is a word that means small drum. It's an African drum. Just like mambo, it's an African word that means, uh, storytelling.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Really?

Tommy Chong 3:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Dude.

Tommy Chong 3:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Story time with Tommy Chong here.

Tommy Chong 3:31 Oh, yeah. I... Man, I was in jail.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Dropping knowledge. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 3:33 I had, I had nothing but time. And I wrote a whole paper on tango. So anyway, tango... Like, I go to Argentina with my wife a lot, and it's very tough dance to dance with your wife. You have to dance with a stranger, and she has to dance with a stranger.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Why is that?

Tommy Chong 3:50 I think it's... you're too intimate, too personal. You know each other too well.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 3:55 If you're a stranger, then all you can respond to is the dance, uh, um, signals.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 4:04 Like, the, the man has to lead, but he has to lead in such a way that, uh, that you can't see him. You know? He can't pull her around the, the... He suggests.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Oh, okay.

Tommy Chong 4:15 Like, if... And so he'll suggest a certain move, and then the girl, the, uh, her partner will understand that move, and then she can do a couple of steps in that cer- a certain way.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Hm.

Tommy Chong 4:28 Uh, l- like, one is called the, uh, uh... Fuck, I can't remember the, the term. Uh, o- ochos. Ochos, which means back and forth. And, and, and, uh, out of those combinations, once the guy gets the girl going into the ochos, for instance, then he can move on to ano-... He'll, he'll stop her with his foot, and then he'll move on to another series of, of, of moves. And they're all designed, and... But the stranger... Uh, uh, uh, you know, the woman has to really listen to the, the moves if she's dancing with a, a stranger or a teacher.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Hm.

Tommy Chong 5:05 And, and that's how... And then it has to be a close embrace, and the woman has to be cuddled up against the guy. Not always, but for the most part. So you're not looking at your feet at all, and it's all about feel. And so you have to feel the other person's body. And, uh, it can get so intimate, man, (laughs) that you really fe-... After a good dance with a good tango teacher, you really feel (laughs) like, uh, having a cigarette, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:34 Really?

Tommy Chong 5:35 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:35 Did you-

Tommy Chong 5:35 ... relaxing for a bit.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Y- did you study this? Did you, like, take classes?

Tommy Chong 5:39 I g- I got turned on to it in Paris. I was, uh... Cheech and I were finishing up, uh, The Corsican Brothers, and I was... We, we got offered to do The Siskel Kid. And they sent me the script, and in the script, it said, "Tango dancers." And so there w-... We... Uh, my wife and I, girlfriend at the time, but wife now, we used to drive by this place that said "Tango" in neon lights, and so we stopped and, and took our first tango lesson from this, uh-... George and Rosie, uh, a couple there, and George was too old to get out of bed. He was in the, about in his 90s or something. He was in bed. But Rosie came and met us, and we, and she showed us the first little bit of tango. Well, my wife Shelbie, who is an excellent dancer, she's been studying dance, you know, ev- ever since, uh, I can remember, you know. And so she, she started doing salsa first, and then I found out about that, and I s- I had to learn salsa. But then we started learning tango together, and then she went on to really learn how to dance, how to dance with the pros.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 6:48 Me, I'm still struggling to be a pro, and it's very hard. It's like MMA fighting, you know. Like, she's a pro, I'm an amateur.

Joe Rogan 6:55 Mm.

Tommy Chong 6:56 And so when I, when we go down to Buenos Aires, like we went down for her birthday, um, I was the video operator 'cause I didn't know how to dance-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 7:06 ... you know, that well. I- I take lessons almost, uh, for 20 years now. But I still don't have the skills to, to be a, a professional like, like, like that, but, uh, yeah, so I went down and videotaped her, and then I came back, and I made a vow. I says, "This is embarrassing, you know, because people know me from years ago, and I still can't dance." (laughs) And so, so it's- it's about time that I learned, so I, I gave up everything to learn tango, and now I-

Joe Rogan 7:37 Really? Like what'd you give up?

Tommy Chong 7:39 Golf more than anything.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Really?

Tommy Chong 7:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:41 There's a lot of guys right now that are going crazy. Why would you give up golf for tango?

Tommy Chong 7:44 Well, actually, it worked out really well. I played a, a tournament of golf last week, and I did the best I've ever done. If you lay off something-

Joe Rogan 7:52 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 7:52 ... you forget all your bad habits.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Oh, that's true too.

Tommy Chong 7:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:55 And you're probably, uh, really enthusiastic about playing it again.

Tommy Chong 7:57 Oh, yeah, loved it. You know-

Joe Rogan 7:58 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 7:58 ... I wasn't... And I, I, I did good. I got about two pars.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 8:04 Incredible for, you know, for me. I'm, you know, I got about a 36 handicap, something like that. But, uh, so but I gave up golf because it was too much energy. It was taking too much energy.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Sure, you gotta walk around all the time.

Tommy Chong 8:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:16 I would also imagine that the tango dancing, all the movement and the footwork would actually probably make you more steady and stable, balance better.

Tommy Chong 8:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 8:22 So it'd probably make your golf game better.

Tommy Chong 8:23 Oh, it did. Totally.

Joe Rogan 8:25 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 8:25 Totally. Totally.

Joe Rogan 8:26 I noticed that with, uh, yoga. Yoga makes pool better-

Tommy Chong 8:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:29 ... so in some weird way, like makes you stand stronger.

Tommy Chong 8:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Yeah. So you were-

Tommy Chong 8:33 Well, there's also a, a, a pause. In comedy, uh, the, the... Someone asked me about the secret of comedy, I said, "It's the pause." And, and the tango has a pause too.

Joe Rogan 8:44 Hmm. The timing.

Tommy Chong 8:45 The timing, waiting, waiting-

Joe Rogan 8:47 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 8:47 ... waiting and using that, that, that silence, you know, before you say something-

Joe Rogan 8:52 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 8:53 ... to give people the, uh, time to formulate their own thoughts about what you're doing or to concentrate on what you're gonna say next. And th- and that's, uh, same, same thing with tango.

Joe Rogan 9:03 Is this you?

Tommy Chong 9:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:06 Look at you.

Tommy Chong 9:06 Oh, that's me with, uh, Peter.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Are you, were you on Dancing with the Stars?

Tommy Chong 9:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Oh, shit.

Tommy Chong 9:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:11 How hard was that to do?

Tommy Chong 9:12 Oh, it was incredible. Look at this.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Look at you carrying her, every... What the hell is going on here?

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 9:18 Hey. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 9:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:18 Good lord.

Tommy Chong 9:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:20 So what are you saying to her there?

Tommy Chong 9:22 We did it. We did it. We did it.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Wow. Yeah, Randy Couture crying.

Tommy Chong 9:26 I got a 10, uh...

Joe Rogan 9:28 Looked like Randy was crying.

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 9:29 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 9:29 What's his name? Uh, um...

Joe Rogan 9:31 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 9:31 Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart was the judge.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Tommy Chong 9:34 He gave me a 10.

Joe Rogan 9:35 Oh, that's amazing.

Tommy Chong 9:36 That was the only 10 I got. Look at, look at, they, she had to carry me off there.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Wow.

Tommy Chong 9:41 Oh, man. That tore my butt up, man.

Joe Rogan 9:45 I imagine-

Tommy Chong 9:45 Literally.

Joe Rogan 9:46 ... literally serious fucking training for that, right?

Tommy Chong 9:48 I came off, I came off that with rectal cancer.

Joe Rogan 9:51 Whoa.

Tommy Chong 9:52 Yeah. I got, I found out on that show.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Wow. How'd you... Did... You don't think you got it from dancing? That's always-

Tommy Chong 9:58 I, I think I got it from, uh, no smoking and, uh, and the stress.

Joe Rogan 10:06 From no smoking weed?

Tommy Chong 10:07 From no smoking weed. I quit smoking weed during the show.

Joe Rogan 10:09 Why'd you do that?

Tommy Chong 10:11 I thought it would help me with my, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:14 Coordination or something?

Tommy Chong 10:15 Well, with my being there.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Concentration?

Tommy Chong 10:17 Listening.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 10:18 You know.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 10:19 Because, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:19 It's hard to learn things when you're stoned sometimes.

Tommy Chong 10:21 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Yeah, like j- uh, in jujitsu, uh, most people agree that it's not a good idea to smoke pot when you're learning skills-

Tommy Chong 10:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:29 ... but it's a good idea to smoke pot when you have the skills.

Tommy Chong 10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Yeah, like it's good-

Tommy Chong 10:33 It'll calm you down.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah, when you roll and you already know what to do, it's like instinctive, then you can smoke some pot.

Tommy Chong 10:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 But like learning, like if someone shows me a new move when I'm high, I can't even li- figure out where the body's going. I'm like, "Wait a minute. Where's your arm?" Like, "What is..."

Tommy Chong 10:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:45 "How am I doing this?" You get too high, and you-

Tommy Chong 10:46 And then what am I doing? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:47 ... you get baffled.

Tommy Chong 10:48 Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the same with tango. Well-

Joe Rogan 10:51 So you really think that that happened to you because of that?

Tommy Chong 10:54 I think... See, I had prostate cancer and, and, and it was a kind of prostate, it was so slow acting, the lazy ass doctor said, "Well, we, we won't do... We'll just leave it alone, and you'll probably die of something else before that happens." And so they-

Joe Rogan 11:08 That was his attitude?

Tommy Chong 11:09 That was their attitude.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Jesus Christ.

Tommy Chong 11:11 There was a couple doctors. Yeah, it happens all the time, you know, because, you know, prostate can be very slow. And I had a slow o- one, and so... But I had a biopsy when I had went to find out 'cause I was gonna do the growth hormone, uh, and that's why I had checked out my blood to make sure I, you know, I didn't have cancer.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 11:30 Found out I had prostate cancer, and, but they did a biopsy, and I think that could have done it. You know, the biopsy-

Joe Rogan 11:37 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 11:37 ... they, they come and take a piece of your...

Joe Rogan 11:38 So you think that, taking a biopsy could have caused damage-

Tommy Chong 11:41 It could-

Joe Rogan 11:42 ... which could have led to cancer?

Tommy Chong 11:43 Could have, could have, uh, caused the cancer cell to, to hit the, the rectum the way it did.

Joe Rogan 11:48 Oh.

Tommy Chong 11:49 And so I got a bag now, I got a colostomy bag, you know, so... But now I'm, I'm totally healed now, and, and I'm, I'm, I'm good to go, you know. Uh, the only thing, uh, the... And so I don't know if, if it was the, the lack of weed and, and the stress, uh, and, and the fact that I had prostate, you know.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 12:10 So when they fixed the rectal, and I got the, the best, one of the best doctor, Kajarian.

Joe Rogan 12:15 What'd they have to do?

Tommy Chong 12:16 They had to operate. They had to take out...... changed the plumbing from the, uh, from the front- from the back to the front. That's a colostomy bag, so-

Joe Rogan 12:25 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 12:25 ... so I- I- I have no more rectum.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Wow.

Tommy Chong 12:28 So (laughs) I'm a- a virgin again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:31 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 12:31 I'm kidding. And then you put the bag around to the front, and, uh, that's all they did there. And then I had- then they- but what they did, they swept the prostate clean with the radiation. They said, "Well, we're down there anyway, so we might as well do the prostate too." So they fixed the prostate. And thank God I never had it taken out because now I can- I got the- the sleeping giant is awoke again.

Joe Rogan 12:57 (laughs) Sleeping giant?

Tommy Chong 12:58 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. I woke the sleeping giant up. I think it was the weed that did it too, plus my gorgeous wife. But yeah, I started getting these urges, and I thought, "Oh, oh, what's happening here?" And- and I'm doing testosterone. And so-

Joe Rogan 13:11 That's probably what did it.

Tommy Chong 13:12 Yeah, the test- testosterone.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 13:14 And then- and then I'm- I'm going in for a shot tomorrow that's- it's a- it's a new procedure that, uh, they use apparently to help induce labor because it's all about blood flow down there.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 13:28 And so it's gonna induce... I- I tried pills, I tried Viagra, you know, it doesn't- doesn't work enough.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 13:35 And so I'm- I'm going in tomorrow for a- a injection of some- some help the blood flow, to help the giant get a little more awake.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Now, when you went to jail, you had a st- and you- your- your case was horrible. I mean, it was- it was so depressing to hear that you were going to jail for making bongs.

Tommy Chong 13:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:54 I mean, it just- the whole thing was so sick, in that they were threatening to put your family in jail-

Tommy Chong 13:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:58 ... and that that's how they sent you to jail. You couldn't smoke pot for a while after that, right?

Tommy Chong 14:03 For years.

Joe Rogan 14:04 How long?

Tommy Chong 14:05 Uh, probably three years.

Joe Rogan 14:07 'Cause you're on probation.

Tommy Chong 14:08 Probation. Pre-probation, before you went to jail.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 14:11 Pre- pretrial, because if you get caught, then you end up getting tortured. It- it... well, the whole time I was there, nine months I was there, I couldn't smoke. They tested me all the time. They'd try to catch me.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 14:22 And they had nothing to catch. And then a year after that, I was on probation, and I never smoked. I can quit. You know, I got, uh, willpower, you know? I can quit. I quit smoking, I quit drinking, I quit eating bad food, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:36 But- but- but you had the rec... well, for- one thing that happened that was great was that you became even more of a hero to the cannabis community-

Tommy Chong 14:43 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:43 ... because people knew-

Tommy Chong 14:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:45 ... you truly were a martyr, and- and- and it was- it was outrageous, and it was so- it was so wrong that even people that didn't smoke pot were like, "How the fuck you arresting Tommy Chong?"

Tommy Chong 14:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:55 "Like, come on, man." Like, all the terrorists in the world-

Tommy Chong 14:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:57 ... the criminals, the rapists, the murderers-

Tommy Chong 14:59 I know.

Joe Rogan 15:00 ... you're gonna put Tommy Chong in jail?

Tommy Chong 15:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Like, what- what are we protecting or serving? What are we doing here? Which one? Which one is that?

Tommy Chong 15:06 Yeah, they were just, uh-

Joe Rogan 15:07 It's the same.

Tommy Chong 15:08 ... showing- showing off.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Showing off.

Tommy Chong 15:09 But once I got in there-

Joe Rogan 15:10 Sending a message.

Tommy Chong 15:10 ... once I got in there, I was in there with a lot of people that were unjustly incarcerated. I was in there with, uh, the orthopedic surgeon for the Rams, and, uh, he- he- he had been in a tax... it wasn't a... it was legal at the time he did it, which was that he had a big car collection, and he- and he wrote off the car collection somehow, and then the IRS changed people, and- and next thing you know, they- they came to him and said, "You owe all this money, and if you don't pay it, you gotta go to jail." And he couldn't pay it, so he went to jail.

Joe Rogan 15:46 Oh.

Tommy Chong 15:47 This is- (laughs) he's a orthopedic surgeon. He's like super straight- straight- one of the straightest guys I ever met.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 15:53 And there was another guy that- that figured out the OJ tax scheme. You know how OJ can keep his, uh- his, uh, money from the NFL?

Joe Rogan 16:03 Pension because he's in Florida?

Tommy Chong 16:04 Yeah. Well, it- it's a- it's a- a law that- that... a loophole that allowed, you know, uh, OJ to keep his, uh, taxes. I- I mean, tax-free money. And so- (laughs) so this accountant figured out how to do it, and he started getting rich people, uh, so they didn't have to pay taxes. And so rather than to- to change the law or do anything like that, they just put his ass in jail because they could. And they put him in there for a year.

Joe Rogan 16:32 And he wasn't doing anything illegal?

Tommy Chong 16:33 Nothing illegal.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Wow.

Tommy Chong 16:35 Except... and then they told him or- "You- you're gonna get out in a year, but you're not gonna do that tax thing anymore."

Joe Rogan 16:44 Wow.

Tommy Chong 16:44 Yeah. No, no, the government-

Joe Rogan 16:46 The IRS is creepy.

Tommy Chong 16:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:48 You do not wanna owe them money.

Tommy Chong 16:49 (laughs) Especially if you're Trump.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Oh. Well, they're coming after him right now, right?

Tommy Chong 16:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:54 What are they coming after him for now? Their- like, New York State is allowing Congress to subpoena his tax returns.

Tommy Chong 17:00 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 17:01 Deutsche Bank, they got his, uh, accountant. His accountant had nothing to do with the federal government.

Joe Rogan 17:07 I tell everybody, why would you wanna be president? Like, why would you wanna do that to yourself?

Tommy Chong 17:12 Unless you're super clean.

Joe Rogan 17:13 Unl- even if you're super clean, they're gonna make shit up about you.

Tommy Chong 17:16 No, the only reason Trump did it is because he owes Putin so much money.

Joe Rogan 17:20 You think so?

Tommy Chong 17:21 Oh, for sure. For sure. How did this loser billionaire get- get financed over and over and over again? And guess who's laundering money like crazy from Russia? The guy that needs the money. No, the whole Trump family is gonna go down.

Joe Rogan 17:38 You think so?

Tommy Chong 17:38 Oh, for sure. Taxes, man. Al Capone to Donald Trump, you can't evade taxes.

Joe Rogan 17:47 So do you think that he owes taxes that-

Tommy Chong 17:49 He owes Putin. He owes Putin so much money that he's scared to death.

Joe Rogan 17:55 How do you know this?

Tommy Chong 17:57 Common sense.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Oh, okay, so it's a guess.

Tommy Chong 18:00 Well, no, figured out.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Okay.

Tommy Chong 18:03 Uh, let's go down the history. Uh, Comey is a FBI.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Right.

Tommy Chong 18:10 Uh, Mueller, the FBI. Trump was attacking, uh, Obama with the birther thing. Obama's the president. Obama's got control over the FBI, CIA, everybody. So Obama says, "Okay, find out about this Trump guy."So they found out about him. But the thing is, they can't really do anything unless he becomes president. Other than that, he'd just walk away free. No one could (claps hands) decision, no one cares. There's a real broken-

Joe Rogan 18:43 He can't do anything unless he becomes president?

Tommy Chong 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Or you mean tr- the, the FBI can't do anything?

Tommy Chong 18:47 No, there's no breaking the law. There, there, there's no-

Joe Rogan 18:49 Okay.

Tommy Chong 18:49 ... law that says that you can't deal with Russia.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Right.

Tommy Chong 18:53 Only law that says you can't deal with Russia and be the President of the United States-

Joe Rogan 18:56 Right.

Tommy Chong 18:56 ... at the same time.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Right.

Tommy Chong 18:57 The only time he would break any laws is that if, if he became president.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Right.

Tommy Chong 19:02 And he has to become president, and he became president thanks to Comey, because Hillary was gonna win. No matter wh- what they say-

Joe Rogan 19:13 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 19:13 ... Hillary was gonna win until Comey said, "Oh." So some new-

Joe Rogan 19:17 They're gonna reopen the investigation.

Tommy Chong 19:18 ... stuff came up-

Joe Rogan 19:19 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 19:19 ... and they knew, they knew back in Obama time that there was nothing really wrong that Hillary did, nothing, nothing.

Joe Rogan 19:28 But they told her to release emails, and she deleted 30,000 of 'em.

Tommy Chong 19:33 So?

Joe Rogan 19:33 But she wasn't supposed to do that. That's illegal, and she was using her own personal email server-

Tommy Chong 19:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:39 ... instead of the government's-

Tommy Chong 19:41 But it weren't-

Joe Rogan 19:41 ... which weren't-

Tommy Chong 19:41 It wasn't legal.

Joe Rogan 19:41 ... it wasn't legal.

Tommy Chong 19:42 Out of, out of laziness and convenience more than, more than, uh, anything illegal.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 19:47 You know, she wasn't looking to get financed to her hotel by, uh, the Russians, you know? She wasn't looking for money.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 19:54 Her and Bill had money. They got money. Yeah. Yeah. They... It's a little fishy-

Joe Rogan 19:58 Little?

Tommy Chong 19:58 A little s- little stinky s- uh, stuff around there.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 20:01 But, but it's normal. It's, uh, it's, uh, they-

Joe Rogan 20:03 (coughs) Normal politics.

Tommy Chong 20:04 So, so my theory is, is that Comey and the FBI said, "Let's get this guy."

Joe Rogan 20:10 So you think they let him become president-

Tommy Chong 20:12 I think-

Joe Rogan 20:12 ... so they could get him?

Tommy Chong 20:13 I think Barr is part of the, part of the, the, the, the Comey gang.

Joe Rogan 20:18 This... You know what's gonna be hilarious about this, this video when people watch this? They're gonna go, "How high is Tom Chong?"

Tommy Chong 20:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:25 Tommy Chong thinks-

Tommy Chong 20:26 Giuliani is part-

Joe Rogan 20:26 ... that Comey made Trump president so they could prosecute him.

Tommy Chong 20:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:32 That's an interesting theory.

Tommy Chong 20:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:33 I don't know if I buy it.

Tommy Chong 20:35 But think about-

Joe Rogan 20:35 I don't think anybody's controlling the strings that well.

Tommy Chong 20:37 But think about-

Joe Rogan 20:38 I don't think the puppeteers are that good.

Tommy Chong 20:39 Think ab- listen. If... Look at everybody that was around Trump that became chief of staff and everything else.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Right.

Tommy Chong 20:46 All, all military.

Joe Rogan 20:47 Right.

Tommy Chong 20:47 Why?

Joe Rogan 20:47 Why?

Tommy Chong 20:48 Because Trump, Trump's got his finger on the, on the button. He's got ability to get on the button.

Joe Rogan 20:55 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 20:55 And so in order to keep him in line, they got people around him that can keep him in line.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 21:01 Yeah. And the FBI, th- th- they, they can infiltrate anything. They infiltrated the mob for years. They infiltrated the, the, uh, Hells Angels. Do you think they couldn't infiltrate Donald Trump's gang?

Joe Rogan 21:12 But do you think they were trying to? Like why-

Tommy Chong 21:13 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 21:14 R- be- just because him going after Obama with the birther stuff?

Tommy Chong 21:18 It's a start.

Joe Rogan 21:20 You know?

Tommy Chong 21:20 You mess with the president, look at Adenomi.

Joe Rogan 21:22 But a lot of people were saying he was from Kenya, right? There was some of th- some ridiculous Photoshop analysis-

Tommy Chong 21:28 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 ... of his birth certificate and-

Tommy Chong 21:30 Anything, anything to keep a Black guy from being the president.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 21:33 And that's what they found out, you see?

Joe Rogan 21:34 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 21:35 And, and, and, and the FBI and the federal laws, you know, against racism, and that's pretty, pretty, pretty strict, s- pretty heavy-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 21:42 ... you know, until Trump got in. And so, so, so anyway, this is my theory, that, that-

Joe Rogan 21:47 That's some-

Tommy Chong 21:48 ... that these guys-

Joe Rogan 21:48 ... stony-ass theory right there. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 21:50 Yeah, like, like I, I really feel that Giuliani is, is part of the, the scheme to keep Trump, uh, y- you know-

Joe Rogan 21:57 Why?

Tommy Chong 21:58 ... with hope. Well, he gives him hope, you know? "Hey, you, they can't look at your taxes. You're the president, for Christ's sake."

Joe Rogan 22:04 Oh.

Tommy Chong 22:05 You know, "You're, you're, you're the supreme leader," you know?

Joe Rogan 22:07 Well, he does have s-

Tommy Chong 22:09 But-

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... there is some things they won't do when you're in office.

Tommy Chong 22:12 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 22:12 They won't indict you for certain things-

Tommy Chong 22:14 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 22:14 ... once you're in office.

Tommy Chong 22:15 And so they plan it. Well, look what Mueller said. He says, "I'm gonna hand this off to the Congress."

Joe Rogan 22:20 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 22:21 "You can impeach him. Here's all the evidence you need to impeach him." And now the Democrats, they gotta figure out, "Are we going to impeach him, go through that, or are we just gonna go to the election and beat his ass in the election and then, then arrest him after the election?"

Joe Rogan 22:35 Who do you think is gonna beat him in the election?

Tommy Chong 22:37 Anybody.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Anybody? You think Joe Biden-

Tommy Chong 22:39 I don't think either-

Joe Rogan 22:40 ... can beat him?

Tommy Chong 22:40 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Really?

Tommy Chong 22:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:42 You are high, huh?

Tommy Chong 22:44 No.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Strong weed.

Tommy Chong 22:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Where are you getting it? (laughs)

Tommy Chong 22:46 Well, look at, look at the Trump, the, the Trump backers, for instance.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Right.

Tommy Chong 22:51 Can you find one thinker in that backing group?

Joe Rogan 22:55 Well, I mean, who are, who're we talking about?

Tommy Chong 22:57 Sane, sane, you know, that can, can, can think. Racism binds you.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Right. But which people are we talking-

Tommy Chong 23:04 Because racism, racism is ignorance.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Mm-hmm. Yes.

Tommy Chong 23:07 It's, it's a form of ignorance. I've got it in... I had it in my family, you know, so I know exactly. I've been, I've been, you know, kissing close to racist-

Joe Rogan 23:16 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 23:16 ... and I know that mentality. And so, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 23:20 Pure ignorance.

Tommy Chong 23:21 Yeah, pure ignorance. And ignorance doesn't stop with one thing. It, it carries on to a lot of, uh, a lot of other things, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:28 Right.

Tommy Chong 23:28 Like work and, and, like, all sorts of things. And so when you look at the people that are opposing Trump, you know, the, the, the women, the, uh, the kids, the intellectuals, the, uh, the, the liberals, the progressives, all those people, they, they wa- they want a good future for our country, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:51 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 23:51 The other ones, they just wanna keep everybody else out or perceived enemies. It's perceived enemies. The, the, the an- anybody, like, anybody with a gun.

Joe Rogan 24:00 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 24:00 That's the whole thing, you know? The... If you have a gun, you're not very intelligent.

Joe Rogan 24:05 Why is that?

Tommy Chong 24:06 Because you're paranoid.

Joe Rogan 24:08 You're... Wait a minute. If you have a gun, you're not intelligent because you're paranoid?

Tommy Chong 24:15 Having a gun means that you're afraid that someone's going to come and, and attack you.

Joe Rogan 24:20 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 24:21 You know?

Joe Rogan 24:22 Right.

Tommy Chong 24:23 And, and so that having a gun is... Like, like they want to arm teachers, for instance.

Joe Rogan 24:28 That seems kinda crazy.

Tommy Chong 24:29 That, that is so stupid.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 24:31 And it's so dumb.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Right.

Tommy Chong 24:33 You know? And just like the ones that knew, know about guns, like the cops that didn't go into the school. (laughs) They knew the guy's got a, AK. Y- they're not gonna go into that school with their little pistols. And so they didn't go into the school. And the ones that rushed the guy, they ended up dying.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 24:50 So what I'm saying is that if you, if you have a gun a- and you, if you think you need a gun for your house, for whatever-

Joe Rogan 24:57 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 24:57 ... if you think you have something that's worth someone else's life, then you are ignorant.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Well, I don't necessarily think that's what they think. They don't think that the gun is worth someone else's life, they think they don't want to get their life taken by a home invasion-

Tommy Chong 25:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:09 ... which does happen.

Tommy Chong 25:11 Did you see that video of the, the guy that had a raccoon on his boat?

Joe Rogan 25:15 (laughs) No. He had a raccoon on his boat?

Tommy Chong 25:17 Yeah. He was, he- you saw-

Joe Rogan 25:19 A pet raccoon?

Tommy Chong 25:20 He, he, in- in- any- no.

Joe Rogan 25:21 Oh.

Tommy Chong 25:21 It was a wild raccoon and he filmed it. And he's 20 miles out, out in the sea and he sees this raccoon and so he filmed himself kicking the raccoon off the boat.

Joe Rogan 25:31 Into the ocean?

Tommy Chong 25:32 Into the ocean.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Aw.

Tommy Chong 25:33 He filmed it. And then he went, he, he posted it-

Joe Rogan 25:37 Aw.

Tommy Chong 25:37 ... because he had no idea how ignorant that was. He had no idea.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Well, was the raccoon dangerous? Was it trying to bite him?

Tommy Chong 25:44 No, a raccoon-

Joe Rogan 25:44 (laughs)

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 25:44 It will fuck you up. It will fuck you up.

Tommy Chong 25:46 Well sure, sure. But like the w- the wild, the-

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 25:49 But the idea that he started filming-

Tommy Chong 25:49 ... the wild guys, the wildlife guys said, "Just get a blanket, throw it over and put him in the, in the, in the bathroom-"

Joe Rogan 25:55 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 25:55 ... "Until you get close to shore-"

Joe Rogan 25:57 Right.

Tommy Chong 25:57 ... "Then kick him off."

Joe Rogan 25:58 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 25:58 You know, but this guy, right away, he freaked out and he's like-

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 26:01 That's a terrible-

Tommy Chong 26:01 ... "This is my boat. Get off my boat."

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 26:02 ... terrible way for a raccoon-

Tommy Chong 26:03 "Get off my boat." Yeah.

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 26:04 ... to die too.

Tommy Chong 26:04 Well see, that's, that's the form of ignorance that, that I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 26:08 It's also just fear, you know?

Tommy Chong 26:09 It's fear.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 26:10 That's what, that's what fear is. Fear is ignorance.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Right. But if someone has a gun in their house to protect themselves from home invasions, home invasions do happen, and people have saved their family with guns. That, that's a real thing.

Tommy Chong 26:21 But you don't read about that much.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Oh, you read about it plenty if you go looking for it.

Tommy Chong 26:24 I- i- really?

Joe Rogan 26:25 Yeah. There's plenty of stories.

Tommy Chong 26:26 Someone come in the house, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 If you look at the, the overall, there's, they, they have like a pie chart of gun violence in this country. And an unfortunately large number is suicides. When they start talking about how many people have died, unfortunately a large number is suicide by gun. And I feel like if people are gonna s- kill themselves with a gun, they'd probably kill themselves with pills or anything else if they had that as well, right? And then there's justifiable homicides b- by the police. There's, there's people that are p- protecting their house. There's a bunch of different... There's gang violence. There's a bunch of different things that get lumped in when we talk about gun violence, but a certain percentage of them are people that are protecting their house or their hou- their, their family from someone who's trying to hurt them.

Tommy Chong 27:07 Yeah, I got, I got-

Joe Rogan 27:08 It does happen occasionally.

Tommy Chong 27:09 I'm in business with a, with a, with a ex, uh, uh, pilot from Vietnam and, uh, I'm quite sure he ha- he has a sidearm in his, in his house.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 27:20 But it would be useless because it's so locked away and so hidden by the time anything happened, by the time he got to that gun and got it loaded and found the ammunition-

Joe Rogan 27:28 Maybe.

Tommy Chong 27:28 ... and everything else.

Joe Rogan 27:29 Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he could keep it right by his bed.

Tommy Chong 27:32 No, but I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 27:33 You know, if someone broke into his house, that would be the case.

Tommy Chong 27:34 ... in this, in thi- in thi- this one instance.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 27:36 And then what, what if it's your daughter or something coming in at, late at night and you mistake her for-

Joe Rogan 27:42 Well, you open your mouth and you say something.

Tommy Chong 27:44 Possibly, possibly.

Joe Rogan 27:45 You don't just go shooting into the dark.

Tommy Chong 27:47 Or what if you have homicidal tendencies and you've been wanting... (laughs) See, one thing I learned about guns, because I grew up with guns too. I grew up in the, in the country. And-

Joe Rogan 27:58 Where'd you grow up?

Tommy Chong 27:59 In Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Oh, really? Oh, that's right, you're Canadian.

Tommy Chong 28:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Crazy.

Tommy Chong 28:03 And so guns, guns were-

Joe Rogan 28:05 Do you ever think about moving back up there?

Tommy Chong 28:07 Oh, no. I've- I- I lived up, I lived up there-

Joe Rogan 28:09 (laughs) Oh, no.

Tommy Chong 28:10 (laughs) I lived up there.

Joe Rogan 28:10 Oh, no.

Tommy Chong 28:11 No, L.A. is where you want to be. But I grew up with, with, with guns. We, we actually needed a gun.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Right.

Tommy Chong 28:18 You know, like, especially when the, when the hawks are coming down to get your chickens or-

Joe Rogan 28:22 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 28:22 ... you know, you know, s- some stuff like that. But I seen the gun culture in, in, in Calgary and it turned me off-

Joe Rogan 28:32 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 28:32 ... because I seen kids, they would take a, a, a stray dog and tie him... and bring him up to the field and tie him to a tree or something or a post and then shoot him.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Oh, Jesus.

Tommy Chong 28:46 Shoot him at a sport, you know. Uh, and, and they couldn't... Because here's the thing about guns. I went duck hunting with my brother one time and, uh, in the field and he got bored waiting for the ducks to come and so here comes a, um, uh... What do you call it?

Joe Rogan 29:05 Is that your phone?

Tommy Chong 29:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:07 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 29:07 I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 29:08 That's okay.

Tommy Chong 29:08 I don't even think it's... It's out there somewhere.

Joe Rogan 29:10 It's your wrist. It's your wrist. Your wrist is ringing.

Tommy Chong 29:12 He turned it off.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Oh.

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 29:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:14 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 29:14 No, we went duck hunting and we're waiting there for hours for the ducks to come over and my brother, he got bored and there was a muskrat swimming across the thing so he shot it with his shotgun. And he walks out into the middle of the, of the slew, picks up the muskrat as the ducks flew over top of us. (laughs) Just stupidity, man.

Joe Rogan 29:35 Well, that's definitely stupid. But there's responsible gun owners, don't you think?

Tommy Chong 29:41 Well, see I... Like I, I, I was in Army Cadets and when we, we had prac- I'm a- I'm a- I'm a sharpshooter, by the way.

Joe Rogan 29:47 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 29:47 Yeah. I, I, I got some, some, what do you call it, patches. You know, sharpshooter, um, 300 yards, so, so I, I know how to handle a rifle anyway.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 30:00 But when we go, uh, shooting, we would have to... First of all, we never got the weapon and until we marched down into firing position, then we were handed the weapon and one bullet. And then we put the bullet in, shoot the target, and another bullet, shoot the target. And then when we were finished, we had to pick up all our casings and give them back. And if anything was missing, no one left until they found that missing bullet. And that's gun safety.

Joe Rogan 30:32 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 30:33 Then the gun was taken from us and put in an armory-... it's only used when you're going to use it, you know. Just like walking around with a skill saw, you know. You can have a license to carry a skill saw, but you don't have a skill saw strapped to your side, and y- you can take out, and-

Joe Rogan 30:48 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 30:48 ... try your skill saw anytime you want.

Joe Rogan 30:50 It is... The open carry thing is very strange. When you see people walking around with guns strapped to their hips in Arizona, you're like, "Okay."

Tommy Chong 30:57 They're targets.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Well, yeah.

Tommy Chong 30:58 Once you do that, you're a target.

Joe Rogan 31:00 In a way, yeah.

Tommy Chong 31:01 La- It's like the bikers. Like, (laughs) bikers, you know, the Hells Angels and the M- Mongols and that-

Joe Rogan 31:06 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 31:06 ... they're the on- only crime syndicate I know that advertise.

Joe Rogan 31:10 (laughs) Hmm. Yeah.

Tommy Chong 31:12 (laughs) You know, on their back. "Look at me."

Joe Rogan 31:14 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 31:14 "Look at me, I'm a thug. I'm a, you know, I, I extort. I, I do all sorts... I beat up people, I kill people. Here, and I ride on a big hog," you know? (laughs) I mean, it's crazy. But people do that for recognition.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 31:29 See, that's like mass shooters. That's what they do it for.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 31:31 Get their name in the paper. "Yeah, look what I did. Look at useless old me. I'm just, like, so useless."

Joe Rogan 31:37 The, what's true... The craziest thing about mass shooters is it's not a thi- I mean, guns have been around for a long time, but this has not a thing that's been around for a long time.

Tommy Chong 31:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:44 This is a fairly recent thing that keeps erupting over and over and over again.

Tommy Chong 31:49 I don't know, you were too young to remember, but when I was a kid, the crime comics were banned.

Joe Rogan 31:57 They were banned?

Tommy Chong 31:58 They were banned because they were bad. They showed violence. They showed-

Joe Rogan 32:03 Comic books?

Tommy Chong 32:04 Comic books.

Joe Rogan 32:04 Wow.

Tommy Chong 32:05 And there were people, uh, up in arms about comic books. And now (laughs) you got video games-

Joe Rogan 32:12 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 32:12 ... where, where you get to be a mass killer.

Joe Rogan 32:14 Well, how about movies, you know? I mean, so many movies are-

Tommy Chong 32:16 Movies?

Joe Rogan 32:17 John Wick movies, just everybody's getting shot.

Tommy Chong 32:19 Everybody.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah. People love it.

Tommy Chong 32:21 My, my, one of my favorites is Peppermint, with, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:23 Peppermint? What's that?

Tommy Chong 32:24 Jennifer, uh, Garner? Have you seen... You haven't seen that?

Joe Rogan 32:28 No.

Tommy Chong 32:28 Oh-

Joe Rogan 32:28 What is it?

Tommy Chong 32:29 ... check it out. She's a superhero.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Oh.

Tommy Chong 32:31 Or, or, like-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Her name is Peppermint?

Tommy Chong 32:33 The, the, the name of the movie is Peppermint. Have you heard of this, Sammy? You have?

Joe Rogan 32:37 Psh, I'm out of the loop.

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 32:38 No, like, in the last eight months or something.

Tommy Chong 32:39 Really?

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 32:39 Not that long ago, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:40 What?

Tommy Chong 32:40 Yeah. It's great.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Really?

Tommy Chong 32:42 It, it... Well, I watched it about three times now, and, and the, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:45 What?

Tommy Chong 32:45 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Why have you watched it so many times?

Tommy Chong 32:47 Oh, I think Jennifer Garner's kind of hot.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Oh, okay.

Tommy Chong 32:50 And, and to see her-

Joe Rogan 32:51 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 32:51 ... to see her, to see her with the guns in her... And the third time, I, I realized a lot of it were stunt, stunt people.

Joe Rogan 32:58 How can you tell?

Tommy Chong 33:00 Just, I seen it so many times, it wasn't Jennifer, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Oh, okay. So you're looking for everything. You're freezing frames.

Tommy Chong 33:04 Yeah, I'm look... I, I was looking for that little thing, yeah. But again, that's the kind of violence that, that we, we get shown.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 33:11 And, and people get im- immune.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yes.

Tommy Chong 33:14 You know? And especially, especially, uh, people, they get stupid, you know. Like, when I was a kid, I, I saw a pic... My brother died recently, and, and there was a whole picture, uh, photo thing of him and I when we were kids. And (laughs) they used to get put under the Christmas tree, six guns. And we were... When we were little guys, we, we were three or four years old, I had six guns strapped to my, myself. You know, because, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 33:43 Cowboys and indians.

Tommy Chong 33:44 ... Roy Rogers and Gene Autry.

Joe Rogan 33:46 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 33:46 And that was the big deal, you know. You had your six gun shooter, but you never shot anybody. You just shot the gun out of their hand, you know.

Joe Rogan 33:53 Yeah, that was the old days.

Tommy Chong 33:55 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Right? The good guys always shot people in the hand, they shot the gun away from them.

Tommy Chong 33:59 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 33:59 And you gotta be like, "Aah."

Tommy Chong 34:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:01 "All right, you got me."

Tommy Chong 34:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:03 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 34:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Different world.

Tommy Chong 34:05 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Now, go- going from the old days to Big Bambu to what, where we're at today, where you're actually in the weed business now.

Tommy Chong 34:14 Oh, you know it.

Joe Rogan 34:15 Which is-

Tommy Chong 34:15 Cheech & Chong's Choice.

Joe Rogan 34:16 ... which is crazy, right? It's like-

Tommy Chong 34:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:17 ... you were arrested for just selling glass.

Tommy Chong 34:20 A bong. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:21 How many years ago was that? Like, '15, '16?

Tommy Chong 34:23 '03.

Joe Rogan 34:24 '03.

Tommy Chong 34:24 '03.

Joe Rogan 34:24 16 years ago.

Tommy Chong 34:25 '03.

Joe Rogan 34:25 So 16 years ago, you're arrested for just selling glass.

Tommy Chong 34:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:28 2019, you're selling full-on weed, legally.

Tommy Chong 34:31 Weed, in four or five countries.

Joe Rogan 34:33 That's crazy.

Tommy Chong 34:34 Uh, Germany, uh, Spain.

Joe Rogan 34:36 You-

Tommy Chong 34:37 Canada.

Joe Rogan 34:37 ... you were so ahead of the curve.

Tommy Chong 34:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:39 But y- you also... You were one of the real OGs that paid a price.

Tommy Chong 34:43 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:44 And, you know, now it's got to be nice to see that your influence had something to do with all this.

Tommy Chong 34:50 It did. It, it-

Joe Rogan 34:51 It did.

Tommy Chong 34:51 ... it feels really well. Feels good.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Really, did all your movies... I mean, you guys made weed look fun.

Tommy Chong 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 Yeah. I mean-

Tommy Chong 34:57 It was fun.

Joe Rogan 34:57 Yeah, but everybody made it out like a... You know, you go from... If you think about propaganda, positive and negative.

Tommy Chong 35:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:02 You go from Reefer Madness-

Tommy Chong 35:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:04 ... which is the most negative, to-

Tommy Chong 35:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:05 ... the Cheech & Chong movies-

Tommy Chong 35:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:06 ... which is probably the most positive.

Tommy Chong 35:08 Most positive.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Up until, like, Half Baked-

Tommy Chong 35:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:10 ... that was the most positive weed stuff we ever saw, right?

Tommy Chong 35:13 It was, uh-

Joe Rogan 35:14 So, super positive. It was all just silly-

Tommy Chong 35:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:16 ... and fun.

Tommy Chong 35:17 Crazy-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 35:18 ... crazy, silly, uh, humor. Ghetto humor.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 35:21 You know, a lot of ghetto humor. And, and, and I wanted to be the rich guy, you know, the kid of the rich guy, 'cause that's what the '60s happened, you know. All the hippie... You know in order to get laid, you had to be a hippie.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 35:34 And s- and so all the rich kids, uh, growing their hair long, and you know-

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 35:39 ... they're, you know, living on the streets, all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 35:42 Yeah. Yeah, you guys, uh, popularized vans too.

Tommy Chong 35:46 And we... You know-

Joe Rogan 35:47 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 35:47 Yeah, you know, we used to, we used to say, uh, when we'd be on, uh, radio... Uh, some of the radio shows, and I... And I was really popular on the right-wing radio shows, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 35:59 Really?

Tommy Chong 35:59 I, I would... I'd inflame the whole crowd. They'd get all pissed off at me because I would out people. You know, like, like, I outed Danny Sullivan, you know the race car driver?

Joe Rogan 36:10 Uh-huh.

Tommy Chong 36:11 I said, "Oh, yeah, Danny smokes pot," you know.

Joe Rogan 36:13 And people got mad at you for that?

Tommy Chong 36:14 Oh, they went nuts. I think that's why I got busted.

Joe Rogan 36:18 Really?

Tommy Chong 36:19 'Cause I was in St. Louis on a, uh, radio sh- show that Ashcroft listened to. And I think Ashcroft heard me and, and-

Joe Rogan 36:27 Wow.

Tommy Chong 36:27 ... the, the hit went out.

Joe Rogan 36:30 (laughs) People forgot how crazy that guy is.

Tommy Chong 36:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:33 Do you remember when he-

Tommy Chong 36:33 Is he still alive?

Joe Rogan 36:34 That's a good question. But do you remember when he was singing? He had a song that he sang, that he wrote-... uh, about Let the Eagle Soar. This is when-

Tommy Chong 36:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Yes, when he was Attorney General.

Tommy Chong 36:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:46 And it, it was so creepy and crazy that this person would s- He had a whole album of, of gospel music. Like, he was a psycho.

Tommy Chong 36:55 Oh, he was.

Joe Rogan 36:56 I would love to climb inside that guy's head and find out what kind of gears are spinning around in there.

Tommy Chong 37:01 I think I did. I think I ended up in jail (laughs) for it, for my pro- for my thing.

Joe Rogan 37:07 (laughs) Yeah. He, he had a whole song that he sang on television. He sang, I think he sang it, oh, it was either in front of Congress or something along those lines, where-

Tommy Chong 37:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:17 He, he, no, he was giving a speech somewhere and then along with the speech, he wanted to sing this song, Let the Eagle Soar. Like, "She's never soared before." It's so... You want to hear it?

Tommy Chong 37:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:29 See if you can find it, Jamie. It's-

Tommy Chong 37:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:31 It's so bad.

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 37:32 I got 10 seconds from a Daily Show Moment of Zen that they did with it.

Tommy Chong 37:36 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Well, there's a vid- the video is a-

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 37:38 No, no. It's, uh, the, that video looked shitty. This is the clearest video I could find real quick.

Tommy Chong 37:42 Okay.

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 37:42 It's just 10 seconds of it.

Joe Rogan 37:43 Okay. Here's the, here's the video. Look at this. Check this out. Look up there.

Guest (unidentified third voice, likely producer/companion) 37:46 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 37:47 Let the eagle soar like she's never soared before. From Rocky Coast. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:01 Stop. That's all you need to see. Like, stop. You can't... Nothing forever, bro.

Tommy Chong 38:06 Yeah. Uh, that, that's when you kind of-

Joe Rogan 38:07 No more. No more.

Tommy Chong 38:08 That's when you, that's when you kind of say, "Yeah, maybe guns are okay."

Joe Rogan 38:11 Yeah, maybe everything's fine.

Tommy Chong 38:13 (laughs) Maybe missiles. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:14 But seeing a guy like that, thinking that that psychopath had any control whatsoever over any laws or anyone getting arrested, that guy is fucking insane.

Tommy Chong 38:24 He was.

Joe Rogan 38:24 He's the guy who wanted to cover the breasts on the statues.

Tommy Chong 38:27 He did cover them.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yes, yeah.

Tommy Chong 38:27 He covered them.

Joe Rogan 38:28 Yeah, yeah, he did.

Tommy Chong 38:29 Which brought attention to him.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 38:31 No one noticed the tits before he put, uh, a veil over them.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Exactly.

Tommy Chong 38:35 And then now they're looking at it, uh, all you see is titties.

Joe Rogan 38:38 He was a spooky guy.

Tommy Chong 38:39 He was. Oh, well.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 38:41 (laughs) I found that out.

Joe Rogan 38:41 That Bush administration had some spooky fucking people there. They really did. It's really interesting that history whitewashes these weird old guys.

Tommy Chong 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Like Ronald Reagan. After he died, Ronald Reagan became, like, this patron saint of conservative-

Tommy Chong 38:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:54 ... thinking. When I was in high school, Ronald Reagan was president and everybody fucking hated that guy.

Tommy Chong 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 They hated him.

Tommy Chong 39:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:00 It was like, he was a creep.

Tommy Chong 39:02 That's horrible.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Like, you, you thought about him, like, "This guy's a fraud. He's a phony. He's lying about selling arms to Iran." Like-

Tommy Chong 39:08 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 39:08 ... the whole thing was, it was, it was so crazy to watch that guy become this loved figure.

Tommy Chong 39:12 I used to work out with his daughter, Patti.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Really?

Tommy Chong 39:15 Yeah. And her and I were pretty good friends until one day, (laughs) I came into the gym and, uh, I saw part of a movie called Caligula.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 39:26 And, and she said, "Oh, how did you like it?" I said, "Oh, it was too faggy for me." And apparently, uh, Ron-

Joe Rogan 39:32 Her brother.

Tommy Chong 39:32 ... her brother is very gay.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 39:34 And she blew it. She blew up at me.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Whoa.

Tommy Chong 39:37 "How dare? How can you say that? How dare you?"

Joe Rogan 39:40 Oh.

Tommy Chong 39:40 "Don't you know my brother and..." "Yeah, so?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:46 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 39:46 "It's nothing to do with the movie."

Joe Rogan 39:48 Just, "I'm not into that. That's okay. I just don't like watching it."

Tommy Chong 39:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:51 "It doesn't mean I don't want you to do it." That's funny.

Tommy Chong 39:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah, Ron was, like, super hardcore Democrat, right?

Tommy Chong 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 His son... It was r- that was i- an interesting little thing.

Tommy Chong 40:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 That his son was gay and a Democrat.

Tommy Chong 40:03 Well, uh, Ronnie was, wasn't that right wing until, uh, until he found a better path for him.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Like Trump.

Tommy Chong 40:11 Yeah. He was, uh, Ronnie was a Democrat.

Joe Rogan 40:13 Like Trump.

Tommy Chong 40:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:14 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 40:14 Yeah. He was when he was younger.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 40:16 See, when they get older, you know, then, then-

Joe Rogan 40:18 That's, that always happens.

Tommy Chong 40:19 You sell your soul.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Old guys get paranoid.

Tommy Chong 40:20 You sell your soul.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Well, they also get paranoid and they start wanting to tighten up the borders and lock and load.

Tommy Chong 40:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:25 << Let the eagle soar >>

Tommy Chong 40:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:29 << Like she's never soared before. >>

Tommy Chong 40:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:33 Like, imagine, like, sitting down, writing that out and then s- and then singing it with all that emotion and passion-

Tommy Chong 40:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 ... as if that makes any fucking sense to anyone.

Tommy Chong 40:41 Well, obviously, no, there is no, uh, stopping him, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:48 Yeah, he's a fucking moron. And the, the song's about a bird that's an evil rept- like, a b- a raptor. Like, a, an eagle is a fucking monstrous animal.

Tommy Chong 40:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:57 It'll eat babies. They'll eat anything they can get their hands on. They swoop down and snatch fish right out of the fucking river.

Tommy Chong 41:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:03 They're fuck- I mean, they're amazing creatures.

Tommy Chong 41:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 I don't hate eagles, but the, the idea that that's America, America is a fucking vicious flying dinosaur-

Tommy Chong 41:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:11 ... is kind of hilarious. It really is kind of hilarious that that's our animal.

Tommy Chong 41:15 Oh, it's funny, man. No, I, I, I pissed off a lot of people in, you know-

Joe Rogan 41:22 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 41:22 Not meaning to.

Joe Rogan 41:23 It was a different time.

Tommy Chong 41:23 But, you know, we used to say, you know, we used to say, when they would attack us, you know, we would say, "What if we're right?"

Joe Rogan 41:29 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 41:30 "What if everything we're doing is right and you're wrong?" And next thing you know-

Joe Rogan 41:34 It's true.

Tommy Chong 41:35 ... we were right.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah. Well, you've been, you were right the whole time.

Tommy Chong 41:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:38 And, you know, I remember when, when I first started smoking weed, I was... Well, I had smoked it a couple of times up until I was 30, and then when I was 30, my friend Eddie, Eddie Bravo, got me high for the first time. I remember I couldn't believe that this was what pot was.

Tommy Chong 41:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:52 I was like, "This is it? I thought it made you stupid." Like, "Oh, I can't stop thinking about things." Like, yeah, some of the thoughts are a little unorganized and kind of chaotic, but-

Tommy Chong 42:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:01 ... uh, bu- it wasn't making me lazy. It wasn't doing any of these things that people were claiming it did.

Tommy Chong 42:06 No.

Joe Rogan 42:06 It didn't make me stupid. It made me curious.

Tommy Chong 42:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:08 It made me want to watch science documentaries.

Tommy Chong 42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:11 And eat.

Tommy Chong 42:11 Yeah. And eat.

Joe Rogan 42:13 And eat.

Tommy Chong 42:13 And eat. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:14 (laughs) Food tasted so good.

Tommy Chong 42:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:16 I was like, "I can't believe how good this food tastes."

Tommy Chong 42:18 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 42:18 It just, it is one of the biggest puzzles of modern times is that even in 2019 with all these states that have legalized it, there's still-

Tommy Chong 42:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... a bunch of people that think that pot is bad for you-

Tommy Chong 42:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 ... and that it makes you lazy. And I always say that pot is like any other tool. It's like a hammer. You could build a house with a hammer or you could just hit yourself in the dick if you're fucking crazy.

Tommy Chong 42:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:40 And it's the same thing with pot.

Tommy Chong 42:42 That's exactly it.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Like, you can use pot and it can enhance your life-

Tommy Chong 42:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:45 ... and it can enhance your relationship and enhan- makes you friendlier, more com- more camaraderie, more compassion, or you could just get stoned all day and do nothing. You got that goddamn phone ringing on your wrist there.

Tommy Chong 42:56 No, it's... He's got it...

Joe Rogan 42:57 Do, do you... Does that freak you out having that thing? I had one of those on my wrist for a day and I was like, "What am I doing?"

Tommy Chong 43:02 Really? I don't, I don't know how to work it, so it's just-

Joe Rogan 43:03 Oh.

Tommy Chong 43:03 ... decoration for me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:05 (laughs) Why'd I have a regular watch then? Have some fucking thing that-

Tommy Chong 43:09 No, my son, my son got it for me.

Joe Rogan 43:11 Oh, okay.

Tommy Chong 43:11 Uh, Paris. Paris got it, because he, he updates my everything, you know.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Oh, okay, okay.

Tommy Chong 43:16 If it wasn't for Paris, (laughs) I'd, I'd still be, uh, riding a bike and... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah. I don't, I don't u- ... I, I had one of those that I was using for a while, for like fitness tracking stuff.

Tommy Chong 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:25 But then I got this Whoop. I got this other thing that's quite a bit more accurate and does more stuff. And it's more-

Tommy Chong 43:32 You're 51?

Joe Rogan 43:33 51, yeah.

Tommy Chong 43:33 Wow. Good shape, man.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Thank you. I'm scared. Never let it go. I work out all the time 'cause I'm terrified of it falling apart. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 43:41 Well, no, you're, you're hooked on the adrenaline. You're hooked on the endorphins.

Joe Rogan 43:45 Endorphins. For su- ... Well, yeah. Well, that too. It's also for mental health reasons. Like, uh, for me, I need to exercise.

Tommy Chong 43:51 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Just to keep my brain-

Tommy Chong 43:51 Well, like Arnold, you know, when I, when w- when I first came to LA, I, I, uh ... First thing I did was join, uh, Gold's Gym.

Joe Rogan 44:00 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 44:00 'Cause I read about it, you know-

Joe Rogan 44:01 Sure.

Tommy Chong 44:01 ... up in Can- ... In Vancouver. And then I met Arnold and all the, all the guys, and, and they're, they were so healthy. He, he, you know, if he dr- ... took a sip of 7-Up, he'd spit it out. And-

Joe Rogan 44:12 Really?

Tommy Chong 44:12 Yeah. And he was super, super healthy. But he smoked a joint.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 44:18 He would smoke a joint.

Joe Rogan 44:19 That was another thing, Pumping Iron.

Tommy Chong 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 That documentary, Pumping Iron.

Tommy Chong 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Saw him-

Tommy Chong 44:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 ... after he won-

Tommy Chong 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... smoking a joint.

Tommy Chong 44:24 Smoking a joint.

Joe Rogan 44:24 You're like, "Wha-" It made pot look b- ... Like, "Wow, this guy smoked pot?"

Tommy Chong 44:27 That's right.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Like how the fuck does pot make you a loser if the biggest bodybuilder on the planet-

Tommy Chong 44:32 The most successful.

Joe Rogan 44:33 Yes.

Tommy Chong 44:34 Successful.

Joe Rogan 44:34 By far.

Tommy Chong 44:34 Same guy, yeah. Yeah. And it ... Uh, I owed him one time, like I owed everybody, and, and, uh, Arnold was walking with S- Stallone at the time. And, and-

Joe Rogan 44:44 There's that famous picture of them.

Tommy Chong 44:45 Uh, yeah, they asked-

Guest (unidentified fourth voice, likely producer/companion) 44:46 Arnold is numero uno.

Tommy Chong 44:47 They asked Arnold, uh, "You know, Tommy Chong said that he smoked pot with you." And, and Stallone jumped in right away, "Oh, no, that's a lie. That's a lie. He never smoked." And Arnold said, "No, no. Yeah, we did smoke pot. We knew how to enjoy ourselves back then."

Joe Rogan 45:01 Yeah. The f- ... Why was Stallone-

Tommy Chong 45:03 It's true.

Joe Rogan 45:03 ... trying to cover it up?

Tommy Chong 45:04 Uh, well-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Stallone.

Tommy Chong 45:05 ... because Stallone is Stallone.

Joe Rogan 45:06 R- those Rambo movies.

Tommy Chong 45:07 Oh, I got some good stories on Stallone, but ... You don't remember Jordan Belfort?

Joe Rogan 45:13 Jordan Belfort.

Tommy Chong 45:14 The Wolf of Wall Street?

Joe Rogan 45:15 Yes.

Tommy Chong 45:16 Yeah. I was in jail with him.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Oh.

Tommy Chong 45:18 And I helped him write his book.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Really?

Tommy Chong 45:20 Yeah. In fact, well, all I did was insult him and, and made him (laughs) write his book. Because I was writing my book and he was started ... He said, "What are you doing?" "I am writing." 'Cause we shared a cubicle.

Joe Rogan 45:31 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 45:31 And, and I said, "I'm writing my book." He says, "Oh, I'm gonna write a book." So he wrote a couple of pages and he handed it to me like, "Hey, read this," you know. And I read it, and it was like, a copy of Tom Wolfe. You know, Bon- Bonfires and Vanities.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 45:44 And I, I said, "Th- you haven't written shit." And I handed it back to him. And he said, "What do you mean?" And I said, "You haven't written nothing." He said, "What, what should I write?" He, he challenged me. I said, "Write what you know." I said, "Write those stories you've been telling me every night," you know. I said, "There's one rule that you gotta remember when you're writing or doing anything. It's called the most of. So you don't get ... You don't just get high. You get higher than anybody's ever gotten in their life, if you're gonna put it on screen. You know, you don't just have a fight. You have a fight that goes on forever. You know, that's, that's the kind of stuff you need, that people are interested in." And so he said ... He didn't talk to me for about, about a month after that, and he just went-

Joe Rogan 46:29 He was mad at you?

Tommy Chong 46:30 Yeah. He was just, "Right now, I'll show this guy." And he just wrote-

Joe Rogan 46:32 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 46:33 And he wrote The Wolf of Wall Street.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Really?

Tommy Chong 46:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:35 And did he give it to you, and you're like, "All right, you got something here"?

Tommy Chong 46:38 No, no. No, no. He-

Joe Rogan 46:39 No?

Tommy Chong 46:39 No, the last time ... The, the next time I saw him, he, he pulled in front of m- uh, my house with his car. We were- we were both on probation, so we couldn't talk to each other. And so he yelled from his car, he goes, "Hey, I sold the- sold the book to, uh, Martin Scorsese." He wa-

Joe Rogan 46:54 You were ... So you're allowed to talk to each other by yelling?

Tommy Chong 46:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:57 But you couldn't be close?

Tommy Chong 46:58 Yeah, you couldn't be-

Joe Rogan 46:59 How close did you have to ... How far away do you have to stay?

Tommy Chong 47:01 Well, you know, technically you're not supposed to talk to each other, you know. But, but yelling, there- no one's gonna say anything about that.

Joe Rogan 47:08 That's hilarious.

Tommy Chong 47:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:09 That's stupid as hell.

Tommy Chong 47:09 No, no. You can- ... Uh, you violate your probation, they put you back in jail for-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Right, 'cause you're associating with felons.

Tommy Chong 47:14 That's right.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Right. That's, that's so crazy that someone who you're trying to rehabilitate with-

Tommy Chong 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 ... you can't talk to them because they also fucked up.

Tommy Chong 47:22 There was a Nixon speech writer that was in with me, and he was so innocent. They wanted ... What they we- ... The, the government was trying to get stuff on Imelda Marcos.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 47:31 You know, the Philippines.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Philippines.

Tommy Chong 47:33 And, and this, uh, lawyer that I was in there with, a speech writer, uh, uh, a Reagan speech writer, and, and he wouldn't give up, uh, Marcos or Imelda, and so they put him in jail for a year. And, and when he got out on probation, being the straight guy he was, he went home and took a Valium to help him sleep. And he got drug tested the next day.

Joe Rogan 47:56 (gasps)

Tommy Chong 47:56 And went back in jail. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:57 Ooh.

Tommy Chong 47:58 He went (laughs) ... He went back in jail. So you, you gotta be very careful when you're dealing with probation people.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Wow.

Tommy Chong 48:04 Because they got you by the balls, man.

Joe Rogan 48:06 That's such a ... It's gotta be a weird thing dealing with the probation officers-

Tommy Chong 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 ...'cause they have that power over you.

Tommy Chong 48:11 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Do they fuck with you?

Tommy Chong 48:13 Not me.

Joe Rogan 48:13 No?

Tommy Chong 48:13 I was too much of a celebrity.

Joe Rogan 48:15 Oh.

Tommy Chong 48:16 And I had a lot of, uh, nice ladies, and so I'd flirt with them and-

Joe Rogan 48:19 Right.

Tommy Chong 48:20 ... you know.

Joe Rogan 48:20 You're all friends.

Tommy Chong 48:21 Yeah, I flirt with everything.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Well, as I'm sure like all things, right? There's good people doing it and bad people doing it.

Tommy Chong 48:26 Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's t-

Joe Rogan 48:27 Bad actors.

Tommy Chong 48:27 It's a job.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 48:28 It's a job, it's a paycheck, you know.

Joe Rogan 48:30 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 48:30 Um, the sad thing about when I- I was in jail in Taft was that it, it's built over a toxic waste dump, where they used to ... That's where they found oil i- in Taft, in California. And when they found oil back in the day, they never had a way to contain it. They would just dig it and hit it, and they would just spill all over the, the ground. And so they would dig big trenches out, like big pools, and they would fill up with oil. Then they would, uh, get the barrels and dip the barrels in, and that's how they filled up the oil barrels. And, and so after they figured out how to do it, right, they, uh ... The, the ground is all toxic, and so (laughs) they built a federal prison over top of it.

Joe Rogan 49:14 Whoa.

Tommy Chong 49:14 And so everybody that's worked there and a lot of people that did time there, uh, uh, all gotten cancer and died.

Joe Rogan 49:21 So you think that's probably the root of your cancer?

Tommy Chong 49:23 Could be.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Could be.

Tommy Chong 49:25 Could be, for sure.

Joe Rogan 49:26 Easy, right?

Tommy Chong 49:26 Yeah easy, yeah, because that's where I got it.

Joe Rogan 49:29 And they say that marijuana does something to cancer, right? Inhibits cancer in certain ways.

Tommy Chong 49:34 I don't know technically what it does. I think what it does, more than anything, it calms the brain.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Mm.

Tommy Chong 49:40 See, any time you calm the brain, you- you lose the fear.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 49:44 See, you know, fear is that, uh, fight or flight, you know, that's your response. Your body goes into this fight or flight mode. And when you calm that down, your body just goes into relaxation mode. And when you're in the fight or flight mode, uh, the other parts of your body can't- can't function properly.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 50:04 Like your immune system. But when you're in a total relaxed mode... That's why when an animal gets hurt, they usually just crawl off in a corner somewhere and just lay there and lick their wounds.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Hm.

Tommy Chong 50:15 And- and- and they just calm everything down, and then they let the body take over to heal. And I think what happens with pot is it- it mellows the brain to the point where you, eh, so what, you know? And you- you, uh, allow your body to, uh, take over. But you still need that other treatments. You still need the chemo, the- the radiation.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 50:36 You need all that stuff, you know.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Are you taking CBD oil?

Tommy Chong 50:39 Now, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 50:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 How much do you take?

Tommy Chong 50:42 I'm not sure. I'm not good at- at amounts, you know.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Mm-hmm. But you take it every day?

Tommy Chong 50:45 I take it. I take it. I- I- right now, I'm on testosterone and, uh, and CBD.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 50:54 And- and then just flower, you know, I smoke up a couple of joints. Oh, we got a- we got a- a gift bag for you.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Yes, thank you.

Tommy Chong 51:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Thank you. Tommy Chong weed.

Tommy Chong 51:03 Like you need it. Like you-

Joe Rogan 51:05 It's always good to have it. (laughs)

Tommy Chong 51:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:07 I got some from B-Real, it scared the shit out of me.

Tommy Chong 51:10 Who is it?

Joe Rogan 51:10 I did B-Real smoke box.

Tommy Chong 51:12 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:12 You know, B-Real from Cypress Hill?

Tommy Chong 51:13 Yeah, yeah, I know B-

Joe Rogan 51:14 Fuck, that was probably the highest I've ever been in my life.

Tommy Chong 51:17 Really?

Joe Rogan 51:17 Those guys go hard.

Tommy Chong 51:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:19 I couldn't keep up with them.

Tommy Chong 51:20 No, no.

Joe Rogan 51:21 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 51:21 I don't even try. I- I'm a lightweight, man.

Joe Rogan 51:24 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 51:24 When- when I spoke with Arnold, w- with all the... Dave Draper, all these muscle heads would come around and they get a big bong. And the thing was, they put like a- like a- an ounce in the bowl, and then they'd fire it up, and then they'd suck on it so hard, whoever exploded the- the bowl into the- into the water made it explode.

Joe Rogan 51:45 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 51:45 Well, then you were the hero.

Joe Rogan 51:47 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 51:47 It's a... All the- all the muscle heads are- they're taking their hit. Arnold takes a big hit. You know, the thing explodes. Then they hand it to me, it was like... And they looked at me like-

Joe Rogan 51:58 Tommy Chong.

Tommy Chong 51:58 Well, I wasn't Chung. No, I was the- the Chong at the time, so they just looked at me like, "Yeah, okay. You go sit over there somewhere."

Joe Rogan 52:05 Back then, you were just a guy.

Tommy Chong 52:06 Yeah, I was just one of the... almost faceless.

Joe Rogan 52:10 What was it like being famous for being a pothead back in the '70s? Because that had to be weird, 'cause you were- you were- you and Cheech were famous potheads.

Tommy Chong 52:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Where I don't think there was anybody else. Like, who else was a famous pothead?

Tommy Chong 52:26 No one.

Joe Rogan 52:27 On your level?

Tommy Chong 52:28 Uh, no.

Joe Rogan 52:29 No one?

Tommy Chong 52:30 No, not- not... I can't think of anyone.

Joe Rogan 52:30 But maybe no one ever. You guys were the trailblazers.

Tommy Chong 52:35 What's his name, uh, uh, the actor? Uh... Oh, Christ, I can't think of his name. He did time. He did a year in jail in county for one joint. Robert Mitchum.

Joe Rogan 52:49 Oh, yeah.

Tommy Chong 52:49 Robert Mitchum.

Joe Rogan 52:50 But he was like a straight-laced guy.

Tommy Chong 52:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:52 You know, the image.

Tommy Chong 52:53 Big cowboy.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 52:54 Yeah, he got high. He loved to get high.

Joe Rogan 52:56 He was a tough guy.

Tommy Chong 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:57 That was the image.

Tommy Chong 52:58 Well, you- you know what the big- the big, uh, draw for pot was the sex. See, it- it, uh, it was- it was before, uh, what do you call it? Sopers or...

Joe Rogan 53:12 Sopers?

Tommy Chong 53:12 Quaaludes. You know, the Qualude thing?

Joe Rogan 53:16 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 53:16 The Qualude was big sex thing, that was, uh...

Joe Rogan 53:19 People would have sex on Qualudes?

Tommy Chong 53:21 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Why?

Tommy Chong 53:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:22 I've never taken a Qualude. What does it do for you?

Tommy Chong 53:23 Oh, just, it... They're called spreaders. When a girl gets high on- on- on a Qualude, it's like, "Take me." You know?

Joe Rogan 53:31 Do you think that's why Bill Cosby was dosing those girls with Qualudes?

Tommy Chong 53:33 Oh, totally, totally, totally.

Joe Rogan 53:35 So that was the thing, it just relaxes you and some-

Tommy Chong 53:37 It makes you horny.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Really?

Tommy Chong 53:39 Oh, yeah. And that's what pot does for- for- for me now, but- but it does for peop- for women.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 53:46 Women love to sleep with it and they love to have, uh, sex.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 53:49 You know, after smoking joint. What was it? Annie Hall? Was it Annie Hall with Woody?

Joe Rogan 53:54 Who's that?

Tommy Chong 53:55 A- An- and he got a little pissed off, "Do you have to get high every time you make love with me?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah. Oh, that's right. Was that Annie Hall?

Tommy Chong 54:01 I think it was Annie Hall. And I think- I think everybody in the picture, in the movie company, in the movie house said, "Yeah, I can dig it." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:10 (laughs) Yeah, it definitely changes the way things feel.

Tommy Chong 54:12 Yeah, it relaxes.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 54:14 It relaxes. You hear music better.

Joe Rogan 54:16 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 54:16 So you feel things better, you know, everything feels nicer, you know, warm.

Joe Rogan 54:19 I like to do yoga on it. I like to smoke weed right before I go to yoga class.

Tommy Chong 54:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:24 It's amazing.

Tommy Chong 54:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Like, you feel all the muscles-

Tommy Chong 54:26 Oh, the strains.

Joe Rogan 54:27 ... you feel the tiny ones and the- the ones connected to weird spots.

Tommy Chong 54:32 Yeah. And you don't smoke a lot or a couple of tokes or...

Joe Rogan 54:35 Before yoga class?

Tommy Chong 54:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:36 I don't want to get too high. Then I'll just be inside my head.

Tommy Chong 54:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 I just want like two hits.

Tommy Chong 54:40 Two hits.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Just two hits, just going high.

Tommy Chong 54:41 See, that's- that's-

Joe Rogan 54:42 Just, I'm high, but I'm not blasted, you know.

Tommy Chong 54:44 Yeah, that- that's me too, you know. I got, uh, I've been given all sorts of toys, you know, because I got the Chong's Choice Weed in the stores and that. And so they... I'm- I'm getting tons of pipes all the time, and I make pipes too. In fact, the- the- this is a-

Joe Rogan 55:00 That's the Nauta Pipe.

Tommy Chong 55:01 This is a Nauta pipe, by the way.

Joe Rogan 55:02 You gave me one of those.

Tommy Chong 55:03 I... You got one?

Joe Rogan 55:04 Yes, I got one of those.

Tommy Chong 55:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Last time was like six, seven... whatever it was, six years ago, last time you were on the show-

Tommy Chong 55:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:10 ... you gave me the Nauta Pipe.

Tommy Chong 55:11 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 55:12 I got it at home.

Tommy Chong 55:13 But I- I... You know, so- so now they got- they got a new one. (laughs) I can't think of it. I got it for you here, Andy.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Oh, great. Thank you.

Tommy Chong 55:23 It's called the Easy Pipe.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Oh, okay.

Tommy Chong 55:25 Easy Pipe. It's so cool because you open the thing and- and it's got a lighter built in. And there's just enough...... the bowl holds enough for a little nug, put the nug in there, and you can carry it in your pocket because it has a lid.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Oh.

Tommy Chong 55:39 And then when you, when w- wanna hit it, you just hit the lighter and you got a hit.

Joe Rogan 55:44 Oh.

Tommy Chong 55:45 Easy pipe.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Oh, I've seen one of those before.

Tommy Chong 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:48 It has, like, a little metal lid.

Tommy Chong 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Slides over to the side.

Tommy Chong 55:51 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Yeah, those are pretty cool.

Tommy Chong 55:52 Oh, yeah, they're very nice.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Yeah. Nice little contraption all contained.

Tommy Chong 55:56 Yeah. Well, the old-

Joe Rogan 55:58 There it is.

Tommy Chong 55:58 ... one-hitters used to be-

Joe Rogan 56:00 Chong's choice-

Tommy Chong 56:00 ... awkward, you know.

Joe Rogan 56:00 ... right there. Kapow.

Tommy Chong 56:02 Yeah, that's the Chong's choice. Oh, that's the, uh-

Joe Rogan 56:04 That's a different thing, though. That's not the easy one.

Tommy Chong 56:06 That's the Genius pipe.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Oh, Genius.

Tommy Chong 56:08 Oh. Oh, they're-

Joe Rogan 56:08 Like the Genius bar at Apple?

Tommy Chong 56:09 That's incredible. Incredible.

Joe Rogan 56:11 What does that do?

Tommy Chong 56:12 Well, it cools the smoke.

Joe Rogan 56:14 Hmm?

Tommy Chong 56:15 See, from the bowl to the, to the, the-

Joe Rogan 56:19 Mouthpiece?

Tommy Chong 56:19 ... mouthpiece, the whole thing is- is- is dimpled inside. And so the smoke goes through all the s- the dimples and- and-

Joe Rogan 56:29 It cools it off.

Tommy Chong 56:29 ... and it cools it off. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:30 Sort of like ice water in a bong?

Tommy Chong 56:32 Yeah. Yeah. Better. Better.

Joe Rogan 56:33 Better?

Tommy Chong 56:34 Oh, it's, it's so smooth.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 56:36 I- I'll cough just thinking about it, but-

Joe Rogan 56:39 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 56:39 ... you do the Genius pipe and it's just so cool.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Do you get, uh, with all these kids that are dabbing and using wax, and I watch... Do you ever go to Cypress Hills' Instagram page? I get fucking... I get anxiety just watching their videos. Like, how high are you getting?

Tommy Chong 56:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:54 Because they play, (laughs) "I want to get high, so high." And you're watching the video and you're like, "Oh my god, I can't do this. I can't even watch this."

Tommy Chong 57:04 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 They're scooping that yellow wax in there.

Tommy Chong 57:07 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:07 It's, oh, they go, they go so deep, these kids today. They're out of their fucking mind. They're heating up glass and dropping the THC into the glass, like... (snores)

Tommy Chong 57:16 I was at one-

Joe Rogan 57:16 Ugh.

Tommy Chong 57:17 ... one dispensary, and the guy was so proud, he handed me a big jar of, of, uh, shatter, you know-

Joe Rogan 57:23 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 57:24 ... the, the dab stuff. And I pretended like, "Oh, it's a gift? Oh, thanks." And I took it-

Joe Rogan 57:29 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 57:29 ... and put it in my pocket and I walked away. And the guy's mouth was just... (wheezes) It dropped open.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Yeah, it was probably a lot of money for that stuff.

Tommy Chong 57:36 Oh, it was, it was like a year's worth of dab.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Oh my god.

Tommy Chong 57:40 (laughs) And I kept it long enough to make him nervous, and then I just... (lighting lighter sound)

Joe Rogan 57:45 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 57:45 I... Yeah. You know, in Canada, we had to deal with hash a lot, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:50 Oh.

Tommy Chong 57:51 And it's okay, but it's a little bit too harsh.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 57:55 Hash is harsh.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 57:57 Yeah. For me.

Joe Rogan 57:57 The high is interesting, though.

Tommy Chong 57:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Yeah, it's a, it's an intense high.

Tommy Chong 58:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:02 What, what do you, how do you feel about edibles?

Tommy Chong 58:04 I love them, to sleep on.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 58:07 I love them. The, uh, the chocolate I got you is what, uh, my wife and I both use. Oh yeah, we- we'll wake up in the middle of the night, instead of, you know, fussing and fighting or, you know, thinking about it, we just go and get a little, little chocolate thing. And it's delicious chocolate, too. It's Defance chocolate, and it's, (laughs) it's the best thing. And you just sleep. Not only... I slept last night, but I had a couple of epiphi- epiphanies-

Joe Rogan 58:38 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 58:38 ... that just blew my mind.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Like what?

Tommy Chong 58:41 How art is gonna save the world.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Art is gonna save the world?

Tommy Chong 58:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 How's that?

Tommy Chong 58:47 Well, you look at history.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 58:49 Like, the pyramids, that was art. That was an art piece. And what happens when you, when you have big, huge art pieces like that, you create employment, and it's not war, so you're not fighting, you're creating. And so the people that, that, uh, care for the animals, the people that have to feed, the- the- the mass of people that have to work on getting those rocks, carving those rocks and everything else, it creates employment. And it, and it also creates tourism. And so you- you- you, when you have a piece of art, everybody wants to come and look at it. And so that's what we need in the world today, you see? And- and we not only need art, but we need functional art, because that's what, uh, the pyramids were. They were functional. And a lot of people think it was the, uh, the astronauts, you know-

Joe Rogan 59:37 You mean aliens?

Tommy Chong 59:38 Yeah, aliens.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Oh.

Tommy Chong 59:39 Which- which could very well be.

Joe Rogan 59:41 You really think so?

Tommy Chong 59:42 Oh yeah, sure. For sure. For sure.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Why do you think that?

Tommy Chong 59:47 Well, because there's nothing new in the universe, you know. Uh, the- we've had space flights, we've had all that stuff forever, you know.

Joe Rogan 59:54 But you have Chong's Choice Cooler Pipe.

Tommy Chong 59:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:57 That Genius pipe, that's new in the universe.

Tommy Chong 59:58 That's- that's... No, it's probably rehashed. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Probably somewhere in the world-

Tommy Chong 1:00:03 I like that, rehashed.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 ... or someone, yeah. Right.

Tommy Chong 1:00:05 So- so- no-

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Someone in the universe.

Tommy Chong 1:00:06 Oh- oh, you talk about, you wanna talk about pot? The Chinese, the Indians.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Sure.

Tommy Chong 1:00:12 All- all religions.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 But what makes you think that aliens built the pyramids, though? Or could have.

Tommy Chong 1:00:16 I'm saying they- they could have been.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Really?

Tommy Chong 1:00:18 See, I- I think aliens are just humans, you know, that... Because if they're wearing spacesuits, if they're aliens, why do they need a spacesuit unless they- they come from another, uh, uh, atmosphere?

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:00:30 I- I personally believe that Earth is the only planet in this universe. And the reason I believe that is that there are countless universes, like space is endless.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:00:42 And so if space is endless, why- why wouldn't we have our own universe?

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Okay, so you think that Earth is the only planet in this universe?

Tommy Chong 1:00:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 But what about Mars?

Tommy Chong 1:00:53 Uh, it's a dead planet.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Okay, so Earth is the only live planet?

Tommy Chong 1:00:57 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 The only planet with life in this whole universe?

Tommy Chong 1:01:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 So you think that there's multiple universes or infinite numbers of universes?

Tommy Chong 1:01:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 And each universe probably has an Earth.

Tommy Chong 1:01:09 Or two.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Or two. But you think this whole universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies-

Tommy Chong 1:01:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 ... each with hundreds of billions of solar systems-

Tommy Chong 1:01:16 Could be.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 ... there's only one planet?

Tommy Chong 1:01:18 Could be, because we have the space.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 So the only... You mean by one planet, one planet with life?

Tommy Chong 1:01:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 But why-

Tommy Chong 1:01:24 Intelligent life.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 But why wouldn't you think that there's... Because it's so big, why wouldn't you think that there could possibly be other life other places?

Tommy Chong 1:01:32 Why couldn't it be the other way? Why couldn't we be the only ones?

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 We could be.

Tommy Chong 1:01:36 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 We tot- totally could be.

Tommy Chong 1:01:38 So, so there's no reason for me... See, see, th- that's why I have peop- trouble with people that are afraid of AI, you know, artificial intelligence.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 1:01:47 I, I think it's so silly because-

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Why is that?

Tommy Chong 1:01:49 (laughs) Well, because they're smart. They're smart enough to know that they're not going to enslave anybody or torture anybody or take over anything. No. (laughs) Only dummies do that stuff. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:02:02 Because when you capture something, you know what you capture?

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 What?

Tommy Chong 1:02:06 Their problems. (laughs) Whatever their problems are.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Unless you extin- extinguish them.

Tommy Chong 1:02:11 Yeah. For what reason?

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Well, the people are just destroying the earth. They're polluting the rivers. They're sucking-

Tommy Chong 1:02:17 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 ... all the fish out of the sea.

Tommy Chong 1:02:18 It's not the first time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 The sky is filled with carbon. The t- the artificial life is gonna be like, "You know what? The real problem is these goddamn people. They're dirty little litterers. They're choking squirrels."

Tommy Chong 1:02:28 See? That's the paranoid look at it. Look at the positive look at it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 What's the positive?

Tommy Chong 1:02:34 Well, first of all, you have to remember, we live in a physical universe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Okay.

Tommy Chong 1:02:39 For every action, there is a reaction. So for every good, there's a bad. And nothing explains Trump more than for every Obama, there's a Trump. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:02:51 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Okay.

Tommy Chong 1:02:53 So there's no limit to how ignorant you can be, and there's no limit to how smart you can be. There's no limit. And so when you go up the scale to intelligence scale, then, then you realize that there's no reason for, to be paranoid about anything. Because if you... I- i- it's all written out in the, all the holy books have written it out, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:03:16 Especially, uh, the, the Bible. See, the Bible has been misconstrued by so many people, because what they do, they take it to what's gonna suit their purposes. And that, but w- to really interpret the Bible, it's written in code. It's writ- i- it's a secret code, the Bible is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 The Bible is?

Tommy Chong 1:03:35 Yeah. It's metaphysical terms. It's not physical terms. They're metaphysical terms.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 What do you know about the Bible in code? Like, what do you-

Tommy Chong 1:03:42 There's a, a writer called Emmet Fox.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:03:46 You should get into him.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 1:03:48 He, he deciphers the whole Bible.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Does he decipher the ancient Hebrew version of the Bible or the Greek version of the Bible, Latin version-

Tommy Chong 1:03:55 All, all the ver-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 ... of the Bible?

Tommy Chong 1:03:55 All, all the versions.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Right. But I mean, it all comes from ancient Hebrew.

Tommy Chong 1:03:59 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 And when you translate things from ancient Hebrew-

Tommy Chong 1:04:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 ... there's, you know, ancient Hebrew, the letters also double as numbers.

Tommy Chong 1:04:04 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:04:06 And, and, and, and see, see, wh- wh- with the people I read, there's another, uh, uh, uh, mystic that I read, uh, a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Mystic?

Tommy Chong 1:04:14 Well, he's mystic. You know, or you know, he's not... He, he, w- his name is Joel S. Goldsmith. Uh, I, I, I discovered him a long time ago, but I discovered him i- in jail. It's a very popular book in jail. And Goldsmith, look him up, he's all on the, on the computers and everything else.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:04:33 Check him out.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Okay.

Tommy Chong 1:04:34 You'll, you'll really, really enjoy it. Uh, it'll give you new perspective because what he, he maintains, i- it's all written in, like I say, in the Bible. Eternity, see, there's no beginning and no end. That explains everything to me. Because if there's no beginning to no end, what can wi- can happen, will happen. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:05:02 And because this is m- again, this is my, my, my theory. Is in the physical world, we have to learn everything. That's why everything is physical. Like the first thing when you're born, you have to learn how to breathe.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:05:16 You have to learn how to walk.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 1:05:18 You have to learn how to eat.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:05:21 The- these are all skills that you have to literally learn, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Right.

Tommy Chong 1:05:24 And mothers and everything teach you, you that. And then when you, uh, reach a certain age, uh, y- you leave the planet, you know? At least your soul, your spirit.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 1:05:36 Uh, and the body, the body stays. The body is just a vehicle. And so because of eternity, this goes on and on and on and on forever. It never stops.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:05:48 What we do as humans, we're learning. We're, we're creatures of... We're, we're all students, whether we want to be or not, you know? I, I was trying to-

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:05:57 ... explain this to my one son because-

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 1:05:59 ... my youngest son is a bit, uh, he's a musician, you know? And, and I, and I try to understand that he's a musician. And, uh, you know, musicians aren't that, uh, you know, they're not, uh, entrepreneurial as, as some people would like them to be. But anyway, everybody is here to learn a certain task. And some of us are blessed and to the point, like me, I'm blessed, I'm very blessed, because, uh, I've been given, uh, uh, the ability to, to, to, to do what I do and to see what I see and to, to say what I say, you know? It doesn't come from me.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:06:38 It comes from, you know, the, the source. What I call the source. And, and that's why I could turn prison into a religious retreat, because it's not (laughs) just... It's like a monk going, uh, you know, into hiatus for, uh, for nine months.

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 You just had a, a thought in your head that you're gonna treat it like a religious retreat.

Tommy Chong 1:06:59 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 And you'd learn about yourself and-

Tommy Chong 1:07:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 ... educate yourself.

Tommy Chong 1:07:02 Yeah. Read all the books. Take advantage of your solitude.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:07:06 Because that's very important.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:07:07 When you get a chance to be alone, man, that's very important time, because that's when you connect with the, the, the, the spiritual, your spiritual teacher.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 How must it... It must have felt so good to be released, though?

Tommy Chong 1:07:22 In a way.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 In a way?

Tommy Chong 1:07:23 There was a lot of sadness.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Really?

Tommy Chong 1:07:24 Yeah, yeah. I never looked as good as... When I got released, man, uh, one of the... Uh, because one of the inmates there, he was a barber. He spent two hours (laughs) cutting my hair perfect. He was a Chicano, you know? Just perfect. I come out and my, my wife, Shelby, looked at me, "Whoa. That's the best haircut you've ever had." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:07:46 (laughs) Everything was-

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 (coughs)

Tommy Chong 1:07:48 ... was perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Were you exercising in jail?

Tommy Chong 1:07:51 Oh.That's all you do. W- you walk at night. There's a track, and you can walk miles-

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:07:57 ... a- along the track. And the whole prison's out there walking around, walking around. That's when you socialize, you talk and everything else-

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:08:04 ... to people and that. And they all group together. And I learned games, I learned, uh, how to play bocce ball, learned... I played pool. And I sang. I- I had a little area where I had my own private studio. It was the entrance to the pool hall, and I'd sit in there and the echo was perfect. It was like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 You guys had a pool hall?

Tommy Chong 1:08:24 Oh, yeah. We had tennis courts, pool hall...

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 Sounds like a great time.

Tommy Chong 1:08:28 It was.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 (laughs)

Tommy Chong 1:08:30 It was (laughs) . I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Other than not being able to leave.

Tommy Chong 1:08:34 And even then, if you wanted to leave, I mean, why would you wanna leave? I mean, it was perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 So you think that's why people go back to jail?

Tommy Chong 1:08:41 Totally.

Joe Rogan 1:08:41 Like, after they get released? Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:08:42 Totally. I saw one guy who, uh, it was sad. He was crying.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Did he ever leave?

Tommy Chong 1:08:46 He was sitting there crying. And I said, "What's wrong?" He goes, uh, "He- he gets released next month," and he was a junkie, and he knew that soon as he hit the street, he was gonna die, he was gonna die, you know? And he did.

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 Wow.

Tommy Chong 1:08:58 As soon as he hit the street, he died. But he-

Joe Rogan 1:09:00 Overdosed?

Tommy Chong 1:09:00 ... was funny. He was... Uh, they had a little game that, uh, when they opened the dormitory, uh, the first few people to hit the mess hall got to order eggs any way they wanted, like over easy or sunny side up, whatever. And so he'd be... he'd get all anxious. He'd be the first guy in line, and he'd be kind of (pants) get- getting ready to... As soon as the doors open, man, he'd do... And you couldn't run, you had to walk. And so he learned that, to just walk fast.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 Walk fast?

Tommy Chong 1:09:28 He had to walk real fast. And, and (clears throat) he, he was, he was a delight. But when he got released, he, he took his own life. It's sad.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 Wow.

Tommy Chong 1:09:38 Yeah, I, I heard there was a-

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Took his own life with heroin, or...

Tommy Chong 1:09:41 Probably. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 Oh.

Tommy Chong 1:09:42 It was probably. It was, it was a- a sad-

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 So he just couldn't help himself once he got out?

Tommy Chong 1:09:46 No. Well, see, uh, you know, everybody's worried about socialism. Well, America's the biggest socialist country in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 We are?

Tommy Chong 1:09:53 We've got... Yeah, we've got more people in jail than anywhere else in the world. And what's... What do you... What happens in jail? Cradle to grave. You're fed, you're clothed, you're told what to wear, you're told what to w- uh, what to, uh, to... Uh, you're allowed to study certain things.

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:10:10 You're totally controlled. Uh, medical, you get free medical. There, there are prisoners that would go to jail so they could get their open heart surgery, because the federal law mandates that if you have something wrong with you, they have to fix it. And so there were prisoners that would break the law so they could get in to get their open heart surgery.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 Wow.

Tommy Chong 1:10:28 Uh, yeah. That's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 That's some next level thinking.

Tommy Chong 1:10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 "I'm gonna go to jail so I can get open heart surgery."

Tommy Chong 1:10:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 What did... What... Did they prevent you from reading any books? Was there anything that was, like, on a... Uh, could you order whatever you wanted?

Tommy Chong 1:10:43 Uh, they, they had a... It was weird. Uh, they had a thing about... Uh, th- they would take covers off magazines, and, and you know the-

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 Why?

Tommy Chong 1:10:55 ... subscription cards?

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:10:58 They would take that out (laughs) because people, uh, on the outside would dose them with the acid, (laughs) LSD-

Joe Rogan 1:11:04 Ah.

Tommy Chong 1:11:04 ... and ship the, the books in there. And then next thing you know, half the dorm would be tr- tripping on acid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 'Cause they're eating pieces of the subscription paper.

Tommy Chong 1:11:12 (laughs) Yeah, they'd eat the, the paper, yeah. And, uh, that, that kind of stuff always went on. But as far as... Uh, no, you could read whatever you wanted basically, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:11:22 But I- I- I read a lot of books that, you know, I- I was meaning to read, you know? And I helped a lot of people. Uh, I would do the I Ching. Do you know the I Ching?

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 Sure.

Tommy Chong 1:11:32 Yeah, I would do the I Ching-

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 You know how to do that?

Tommy Chong 1:11:35 ... on the Indian grounds. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:36 Yeah?

Tommy Chong 1:11:37 It's real easy. Yeah, you throw the coins.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:11:40 It's really heads, tails, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 Well, though it's... Supposedly it's some sort of a, like, future reading-

Tommy Chong 1:11:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 ... thing, right?

Tommy Chong 1:11:47 Yeah, heads, tails.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 Do you think it works?

Tommy Chong 1:11:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:48 What does it tell you?

Tommy Chong 1:11:50 Well, the first time I did it-

Joe Rogan 1:11:52 Yeah.

Tommy Chong 1:11:52 ... I rolled it, uh, I did, uh, my-

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 Explain to people w- how it works.

Tommy Chong 1:11:56 Well, what it is-

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 What it is.

Tommy Chong 1:11:57 ... you get three coins-

Joe Rogan 1:11:59 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:11:59 ... and, and you, you throw the three coins, and, uh, uh, uh, and you get numbers from six to nine, and anything in between. Six, seven... Uh, six, eight, nine. I think it's something like that. Anyway, uh, each number tells you what line you're go- you're going to read. And you throw it three times, and you write down, and then you get a, uh, sort of like a, a, a plan of where... what page you're supposed to look at.

Joe Rogan 1:12:28 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:12:29 And then when you get the page, uh, then it tells you, uh, you know, what, what you're asking it, because you gotta ask the I Ching for what... for something, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:12:40 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:12:40 And it'll answer it to... It'll answer you. And so for instance, uh, I threw mine... When I did it, I threw it. And the first line said, "You are in jail for a reason."

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 Whoa. How does it say that?

Tommy Chong 1:12:53 It just said it.

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 I mean, it says it how? Is it... What do you translate?

Tommy Chong 1:12:56 You write it. You read it. It's been written in that book for centuries. That line is... Was in the... In that book (laughs) for centuries.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 Really?

Tommy Chong 1:13:05 3000 years, something like that. And so I read it (laughs) be- because still... They still talk about chariots and kings and queens-

Joe Rogan 1:13:13 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:13:13 ... everything. Uh, that was the first line, "You are in jail for a reason. Jails are corrective institutions that will correct your, uh, uh, behavior."

Joe Rogan 1:13:25 That's what the I Ching is telling you?

Tommy Chong 1:13:26 That's what the I Ching... Well, what they did, they updated it. The girls that wrote it, they updated it to the modern time.

Joe Rogan 1:13:32 Mm-hmm.

Tommy Chong 1:13:32 You know? Uh, it's... I think it's Armstrong is the girls that, that... There were a couple of girls that, that wrote it. It's a big thick book. But it, (laughs) it, and- and then it went on there. And another guy, uh, Mike, this, uh, this Chicano, he saw me throwing... He thought it was a game, and so he's all set for the game. "What book are you playing?" I said, "No, I'm doing the I Ching." I said, "Do you want me to do you?" And he said, "Yeah."So I did his. And it's very