CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 0:56
Wiz’s MMA lifestyle and the “shredded” transformation
Joe and Wiz kick off by talking about Wiz’s dramatic physique change and how martial arts training became part of a bigger mind–body–spirit lifestyle. Wiz frames training as personal development, not just getting tough or looking good.
- •Joe notices Wiz went from skinny to jacked/shredded
- •Wiz describes martial arts as aligning mind, body, and soul
- •Fitness as a lifestyle shift rather than a short-term goal
- •Spiritual framing and self-completion through training
- 0:56 – 2:47
Khalifa Kush, strain loyalty, and how much weed Wiz smokes
Wiz explains he mostly smokes his own strain (Khalifa Kush) and why switching strains can hit him differently. The conversation gets into tolerance, preference for blunts vs joints, and Wiz’s staggering daily consumption.
- •Wiz prefers smoking only Khalifa Kush (KK)
- •Switching strains can cause an overwhelming high
- •Wiz claims he feels physically off without his usual strain
- •Daily quantity: Wiz estimates about an ounce a day
- •Joe explains he likes blunts for the tobacco ‘combo’ effect
- 2:47 – 4:02
Weed normalization, parenting optics, and the messy legal landscape
They discuss how public attitudes toward cannabis have changed, especially for parents and professionals. Joe brings up ongoing legal contradictions, like arrests over CBD products, and how social stigma has faded while laws lag behind.
- •Weed smell and stigma at kids’ schools vs today’s acceptance
- •Generational shift: ‘loser’ stigma to mainstream normalization
- •School zones and how technical legality still creates risk
- •Dallas airport CBD arrest story and legal inconsistencies
- 4:02 – 5:31
CBD as medicine, edibles going mainstream, and dosage pitfalls
Joe and Wiz trade examples of CBD helping arthritis, pregnancy nausea, and seizures, then pivot to how cannabis consumption is shifting from smoking to tinctures/edibles. They also note that edibles can be intense and unpredictable when overdosed.
- •CBD for arthritis, nausea during pregnancy, and seizure reduction
- •Public fear decreases as non-smoking formats grow (tinctures, sprays)
- •Edibles: stronger, longer-lasting, and easier to overdo
- •THC pills and stories of people getting knocked out
- 5:31 – 7:09
Joe’s THC-pill ‘reality break’ and the jiu-jitsu predator story
Joe recounts an extreme high from homemade THC capsules at a jiu-jitsu tournament party, describing uncanny perceptions and intuition about a strange athlete. Later, he learned the man was wanted for rape—leading to a discussion about how altered states can surface instincts and ‘read’ people.
- •Handmade THC pills leading to Joe’s highest high ever
- •Perception changes: ‘seeing’ intentions and eerie vibes
- •The jiu-jitsu black belt later wanted for rape and using an alias
- •Wiz and Joe discuss how drugs can expose hidden truths
- •Broader point: dangerous people exist in every scene
- 7:09 – 9:08
Mushrooms, reading intentions, and why Wiz doesn’t overdo psychedelics
Wiz compares Joe’s experience to how mushrooms helped him perceive people’s motives—especially relevant in music industry environments. He explains he takes long breaks from psychedelics because the lessons stick and don’t need constant repetition.
- •Wiz describes mushrooms revealing ‘true intentions’ in crowds
- •Navigating layers of people around celebrity and backstage culture
- •Using psychedelics as occasional ‘reset’ rather than a habit
- •Taking the lesson and integrating it into everyday life
- 9:08 – 14:25
Why fight culture produces high-character people (and why fans watch)
The conversation moves into MMA/boxing culture: why people choose such risky careers, and how many fighters are disciplined and principled. They also discuss the split between casual knockout-seekers and fans who appreciate technique and defense.
- •Fighting as a voluntary high-risk life choice
- •Joe argues fighters often have strong character and discipline
- •Fans: knockouts vs technical mastery (defense, movement, puzzles)
- •Examples: Floyd Mayweather’s defense, Mighty Mouse’s elusiveness
- •War fights vs technical showcases—both are compelling
- 14:25 – 16:17
Weed + training synergy, gym culture, and how Wiz gained 35 pounds
Wiz explains how training helps balance his late-night studio/party lifestyle and improves mental clarity. Joe praises Wiz’s dedication and technique, then they discuss Wiz’s weight gain strategy, meal prep, and the logistics of eating enough to grow.
- •Training as a stabilizer for partying, stress, and creative life
- •Wiz trains at Unbreakable Performance (Jay Glazer)
- •Snoop sparring stories and respect for fighters’ attitudes
- •Wiz’s weight gain (about 35 pounds) through structured eating
- •Meal prep delivery, reminders/alarms to eat, recovery and rest
- 16:17 – 20:12
Sparring with legends and the ‘play’ style of Thai sparring
They watch and reference clips of Snoop sparring Daniel Sarrafian and Wiz sparring Saenchai. Joe explains how many Thai fighters spar with playful, light contact to sharpen timing without accumulating damage, and Wiz confirms seeing and practicing similar drills.
- •Snoop sparring Sarrafian; Sarrafian’s ‘tank’ mentality
- •Wiz sparring Saenchai and learning without ego or humiliation
- •Thai sparring as playful timing work rather than hard contact
- •Mutual care in sparring partners and reducing injury accumulation
- 20:12 – 23:17
Kicking mechanics, Taekwondo’s ‘crazy dexterity,’ and technique as a universal law
Joe and Wiz geek out on side kicks, spinning techniques, and why Taekwondo can build unusual leg dexterity that later transfers to striking arts. They broaden the idea into a shared principle: technique and repetition matter in fighting, music, and any craft.
- •Side kick mechanics, balance, and posture requirements
- •Why Taekwondo develops spinning/creative kicks (no leg kicks in sport)
- •Muay Thai vs Taekwondo tradeoffs and progression for young athletes
- •Technique vs raw strength; refinement through repetition
- •Parallel to music: practice makes creation feel effortless
- 23:17 – 48:28
Wiz’s songwriting workflow, studio setup, and redefining “work” as passion
Wiz breaks down how he writes—sometimes off melodies in his head, sometimes on paper, often improvising with an engineer in the room rather than a booth. Joe and Wiz joke about needing a better word than ‘work’ for a dream career while also acknowledging the pressure to keep evolving.
- •Multiple writing approaches: melody-first, freestyle, or written bars
- •Collaborative studio process and keeping creativity ‘fresh’
- •Not overthinking: walking away when inspiration isn’t there
- •Fame as a responsibility to keep leveling up for fans (and his son)
- •Debate: ‘work’ vs passion/dedication as a different category
- 48:28 – 1:04:38
Early ambition: third grade rapper dreams, Pittsburgh grind, and first deal at 16
Wiz recounts realizing he wanted to rap as a kid, learning through early internet tools, and building a DIY path into real studio time. He describes interning at a Pittsburgh studio, getting paid in recording time, and turning a few songs into a record deal while still a teenager.
- •Wiz decided in third grade he wanted to be a rapper (and a Ninja Turtle)
- •Early influences: music videos, Biggie/Puffy, Bone Thugs
- •DIY era tools: instrumentals online, TASCAM, FruityLoops, Cool Edit Pro
- •Studio internship: errands/phones in exchange for session time
- •First record deal at 16; escaping limited options in Pittsburgh
- 1:04:38 – 1:30:02
Tech acceleration: streaming, VR futures, batteries, Teslas, and ‘spoon-fed’ innovation
They pivot to technology—how streaming changed music, whether VR will replace shared experiences, and if companies hide better tech than consumers see. The discussion escalates into electric cars (Tesla), charging limits, tunnels, and futuristic vehicle concepts.
- •Debate: are consumers seeing ‘state of the art’ or curated releases?
- •VR experiences (The Void) and how immersive tech will evolve
- •Batteries, charging speed, and military-vs-consumer tech speculation
- •Tesla performance, charging tradeoffs, and the Roadster hype
- •Tunnels, self-driving concerns, and Lamborghini ‘self-healing’ concepts
- 1:30:02 – 1:38:20
Space talk: Mars, time dilation, Brian Cox, and getting into science docs
Joe and Wiz explore whether people would move to Mars, how long trips change psychology, and how relativistic time dilation works in principle. Joe recommends approachable science communicators and describes a Brian Cox show that reframed how time and the universe are perceived.
- •Would you go to Mars? Wiz: only if Earth is threatened
- •Space tourism vs permanent relocation and who would actually do it
- •Time dilation explained through the twin/watches thought experiment
- •Brian Cox’s stage show and visualizing galaxies at scale
- •Using weed + science documentaries to provoke big-picture thinking
- 1:38:20 – 1:53:43
Music history, iconic stardom, censorship battles, and Wiz’s listening habits
They reflect on how young genres like rap and standup are, and what it means for an artist to become a once-in-a-century phenomenon like Michael Jackson. The talk ranges from classic soul/funk influences to parental advisory labels, free speech, and Florida’s obscenity history.
- •Why Michael Jackson was ‘above’ typical fame in his era
- •How rap evolved quickly and keeps changing with culture
- •Wiz’s classic influences: funk, soul, Hendrix, Marley, Sting, and more
- •Marvin Gaye’s tragic story and how narratives get distorted
- •Parental advisory era, 2 Live Crew, and free-speech implications
- 1:53:43 – 1:59:51
Growing up military: living in Japan, earthquakes/typhoons, and adult perspective
Wiz shares his childhood years in Japan due to his family’s military ties, describing the culture shock, limited American media access, and intense natural disasters. He explains how he’d appreciate it more as an adult and touches on the challenge of learning Japanese writing systems.
- •Military family background and moving between bases and home
- •Japan in the late ’90s: early tech shift, Pokémon era, culture shock
- •Earthquakes and typhoons as formative experiences
- •Learning some spoken Japanese; reading/writing complexity (multiple scripts)
- •Adult hindsight: valuing the experience differently than as a kid
- 1:59:51 – 2:03:34
What drives Wiz now: staying fresh, collaborating, and the ‘situational’ creative role
Closing out, Wiz explains what excites him at this career stage: new producers, new sounds, and finding fresh angles while staying recognizably himself. He describes how some major hits come from team-driven situations (e.g., collaborative song construction) and how he can flex between pure creativity and filling a role that a project needs.
- •Chasing new sounds while keeping the ‘Wiz’ identity intact
- •Working with newer producers/artists and changing sonic palettes
- •How big records can be highly collaborative (many contributors)
- •Using talent flexibly: sometimes lead creator, sometimes key contributor
- •Wrap-up gratitude and mutual respect for process and discipline
