Joe Rogan Experience #1316 - Abby Martin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Three, two, one, boom.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two, one, boom. Hello, Abby.

   2. AMAbby Martin0:03

      Hello, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      What's going on?

   4. AMAbby Martin0:05

      Nothing much.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      I saw you chilling with Oliver Stone the other day. Ooh.

   6. AMAbby Martin0:08

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      What was that like? (laughs)

   8. AMAbby Martin0:09

      (laughs) It was pretty cool.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      He's a interesting guy.

   10. AMAbby Martin0:12

       Very interesting guy, yeah. He likes to support radical politics, so he came out for the screening of, uh, the new film that we did.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       (sighs) Yeah, he's a very unusual character in that regard, right? 'Cause he's like this blockbuster movie maker guy, but he's also a pretty radical guy in the way... in his politics and what he supports, and-

   12. AMAbby Martin0:31

       Yeah, he was kind of like the black sheep of Hollywood for a while, you know, doing all the radical, kind of the radical outlier of Hollywood basically.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah, but th- d- you saw the JFK movie, right?

   14. AMAbby Martin0:40

       Yeah, of course.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       What... That was a weird one, right? It's like, I kind of like it, but I'm kind of like, "Hey, man, that fucking general wasn't even a real person." Like, you m- you made up a real person. Like, you put him in there.

   16. AMAbby Martin0:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Like, that guy didn't exist. Like, the- the Donald Sutherland guy.

   18. AMAbby Martin0:53

       A lot of the movie's really good. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Very good. Yeah.

   20. AMAbby Martin0:56

       Very, very good.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       But I get it, that he kind of needed to move it along for a 90-minute or two-hour movie, whatever it was.

   22. AMAbby Martin1:02

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       I get it. He kind of needed, like, this little character to, like, be d- dishing out the inside scoop, the Donald Sutherland character.

   24. AMAbby Martin1:09

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       But in real life, there was no guy.

   26. AMAbby Martin1:11

       I didn't know that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Yeah. Goddamn it, Oliver.

   28. AMAbby Martin1:14

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       If you knew, would you-

   30. AMAbby Martin1:15

       Tricked again.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      wants to go to war. I mean, Trump's saying that, you know, he didn't want to have anything to do with this, but that they want to go to war. And it's like, like it's ... Trump is a weird guy-

   2. AMAbby Martin15:09

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      ... 'cause he's such a loose cannon that he says shit like that, that you don't ... that Obama would keep in his cards, you know?

   4. AMAbby Martin15:16

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      Obama would hide his cards. But Trump, hate him or love him, he, he gives you glimpses that you're not gonna get as far as, like, what kinda influence does the military industrial complex really have on policy change and, and decision-making and whether or not they take action. And he was openly discussing it.

   6. AMAbby Martin15:35

      He removes the mask, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      Yeah.

   8. AMAbby Martin15:37

      And it's, it's interesting because he ... I think that he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because on one hand he says that kind of stuff.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      Mm-hmm.

   10. AMAbby Martin15:44

       But then on the other hand, I mean, he hired all the most rabid war generals-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       Yeah.

   12. AMAbby Martin15:49

       ... in his cabinet, and also just John Bolton. I mean, come on, this is like a maniacal-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Yeah.

   14. AMAbby Martin15:54

       ... neoconservative who's been-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       Look at his mustache.

   16. AMAbby Martin15:55

       ... vying (laughs) for war with Iran since the day he was born. So it's like, if you don't want war with Iran ... I mean, he campaigned on it, so we know that he, he hates Iran. He campaigned on abolishing the nuclear deal with Iran, but then he picks John Bolton to lead all of these efforts. I mean, it's like, it's like starting a fire and then getting applauded and congratulated when you stop the fire at the last minute before-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Yeah.

   18. AMAbby Martin16:16

       ... it erupts and takes over the whole planet. And that's what would happen if we actually did bomb Iran. I, I think that people don't understand how precarious the situation is that Trump and these cronies have laid out.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Not just is, but came so close to being a-

   20. AMAbby Martin16:30

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       ... reality just a week ago.

   22. AMAbby Martin16:32

       You mean you don't think we should go to war after, uh, uh, for bombing oil tankers and, um, Saudi oil tankers? You don't think we should go to war over that?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       For shooting down a robot?

   24. AMAbby Martin16:40

       Yeah, right. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       They shot our robot. That's it. We're gonna fuck them up.

   26. AMAbby Martin16:42

       I would die for Saudi oil tankers. And I'd be the first one to put my body on the line.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       There was a lot of people that were saying this seems like the Gulf of Tonkin too.

   28. AMAbby Martin16:50

       Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       They were like, "I don't b- I'm not buying this at all."

   30. AMAbby Martin16:52

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      that is allowing you to distribute information and gather information through it, but also controlling the flow of information.

   2. AMAbby Martin30:09

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      And then controlling the flow in its own ideological bend, like, what, in, to, to, to sort of match its own ideas of what should and shouldn't happen, and I think they feel justified by having a guy like Trump in office. Having a guy like Trump b- come into office, then go, "Well, we have to do something about that, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna silence conservative voices, we're gonna silence conservative pundits, we're gonna silence, we'll, uh, call people alt-right and, uh, just change our algorithms to make it much more difficult for them to get propagate, for them to propagate their ideas." I, I just find that really distressing, because I think that in the w- the marketplace of ideas, you, you're supposed to...... be able to combat a bad idea with a better idea. And this is how we, this is how ideas evolve, this is how people get to communicate. You get to look at what someone's saying, look at someone, how someone's dissecting what someone's saying, and then for yourself, figure out what you believe and what you don't believe. And there should be a free exchange of information so that you can figure that out. And when you show, when someone's shown to be a bad actor or a liar or show, have deceptive news, fake news, whatever you wanna call it, though okay, now we know and this is a clear example of that, so now take it with a grain of salt whenever they say anything about anything else. But when you deplatform them and shove them aside, they say, "See? They're trying to silence us 'cause they don't believe us. Or, or they, they don't, they don't want us to be in power because they're trying to, uh, p- p- prop up whatever leftwing socialist economy that, or dictator that they wanna put into place." And it's this weird sort of situation where you've got people dictating and almost engineering our culture.

   4. AMAbby Martin31:52

      Right, curating our reality.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:54

      Yes. You know what's going on in Toronto?

   6. AMAbby Martin31:56

      No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:56

      With, with Alphabet, the parent company of Google?

   8. AMAbby Martin31:58

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:59

      It's a very disturbing thing to a lot of people, where they're essentially setting up blocks and they're putting cameras in these places and they're gathering data and information and they're trying to engineer a utopian city. Yeah. I was reading about it yesterday, and I was like, "No." (laughs) Like, this is a terrible idea.

   10. AMAbby Martin32:19

       Google is so fucking terrifying.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:20

       Like what if, what if these people don't wanna be filmed? What if these people don't want information gathered about them? Like, they're, they're st- doing it under the guise of, here it is, Alphabet's plan for Toronto depends on huge amounts-

   12. AMAbby Martin32:33

       Oh, great.

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:33

       ... of data.

   14. AMAbby Martin32:34

       Yeah, we need more data collection, data mining.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       But their idea is that they're going to make it easier for people to get around and smoother.

   16. AMAbby Martin32:41

       But how? By like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       I, I don't know.

   18. AMAbby Martin32:42

       ... facial recognition? I love how they always say, "Oh, people are being sex trafficked and this will help." It's like, no, dude, this is like 0.0001% of all the people that you're, you know, data mining.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:53

       It says, "Sidewalks Labs release more detailed plans for Toronto, the site of Google's sister company's first attempt to bring its tech-ified digital forward sensibility to a full-scale development project. The Sidewalks Lab, Sidewalk Labs project dates to 2017 when the Canadian city welcomed the company to an undeveloped section of its waterfront. Now, after 18 months of speculation work..."

   20. NANarrator33:18

       Oh, God.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:19

       God damn these motherfuckers with pop-up ads.

   22. AMAbby Martin33:21

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       "... speculation work and backlash from local advocates, the company has a 1,524-page master plan for the twelve, 12-acre lot called Quayside." First of all, I hate-

   24. AMAbby Martin33:32

       What is this?

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:32

       ... the fucking name.

   26. AMAbby Martin33:33

       What is it though?

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       Quayside. What is Quayside? "Four-volume plan highlights ambitious and sometimes flashy innovations from Sidewalk Labs, which has played, pledged to spend 1.3 billion on the project if it goes forward. The company hopes to construct all the buildings with timber," which it says is better for the environment, it also catches fire, "and build an underground-"

   28. AMAbby Martin33:52

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:53

       "... pneumatic, pneumatic tube system for garbage removal. It wants residents to lean on public transit, walking, and biking rather than personal vehicles." Good luck, it's fucking zero degrees in Toronto, you assholes. "And plans to build streets with autonomous vehicles, perhaps from its sister company Waymo." They're, listen-

   30. AMAbby Martin34:10

       Waymo and Waymo.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. And especially, like…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      purposes.

   2. AMAbby Martin45:00

      Right. And especially, like the identity politics thing, like, all of the different groups, you know, marginalized groups support you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Yeah.

   4. AMAbby Martin45:07

      It's all fake.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Well, the crazy thing is-

   6. AMAbby Martin45:09

      It's AstroTurf.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      ... you saw that, um, town hall after the, the shooting? A cop-

   8. AMAbby Martin45:13

      Oh, my God.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      ... top shot this guy. And th- e- everyone's saying, "How the fuck are you gonna run for president-"

   10. AMAbby Martin45:19

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       "... when you can't even run a city?"

   12. AMAbby Martin45:20

       Right, right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Yeah.

   14. AMAbby Martin45:21

       Yeah. Doesn't he have a job?

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       Yeah.

   16. AMAbby Martin45:22

       This is what I'm confused by.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   18. AMAbby Martin45:23

       These people, like, have jobs.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       Right, big jobs.

   20. AMAbby Martin45:25

       Why are they running for president? What-

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Giant jobs.

   22. AMAbby Martin45:27

       ... who, who is running the city-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Right.

   24. AMAbby Martin45:29

       ... (laughs) while he's there?

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Wh- w- what's going on?

   26. AMAbby Martin45:31

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Imagine-

   28. AMAbby Martin45:32

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       ... if I just said, "Hey, during this... Uh, I'm not gonna do this podcast anymore. Uh, I'm gonna go get, uh, Brian Callen. He's gonna be me-"

   30. AMAbby Martin45:38

       (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:25

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      you need to be able to deal with reality.

   2. AMAbby Martin1:00:01

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      But o-... And it... Like I always say, it's a tool. Use it. Use it correctly.

   4. AMAbby Martin1:00:06

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Don't, don't... You know, don't try to do everything with a fucking hammer. Sometimes you need a screwdriver. Sometimes you need a saw. Don't just batter your fucking life with weed.

   6. AMAbby Martin1:00:15

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      But occasionally, uh, you smoke a weed, uh, smoke a joint rather, and, you know, you have a meal with a friend and you feel, like-

   8. AMAbby Martin1:00:21

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      ... more close to them. The communication's fun. You're warm and friendly. It's like... It's a great...... I don't wanna call it a drug, 'cause I don't like that expression-

   10. AMAbby Martin1:00:31

       Right. Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       ... this blanket that we throw over amphetamines and sedatives and all these different things, and you throw marijuana in there. It's, it's a sacrament, and I think it should be used in the most g- general and lightest use of that term-

   12. AMAbby Martin1:00:44

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       ... as a sacrament. I l- I like to use it. I like to use it for certain things. But it's definitely not something you should use all the time.

   14. AMAbby Martin1:00:51

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       It's just, it's definitely not something you should use as a l- as a kid, you know? And I, I see a lot of kids that are smoking every day.

   16. AMAbby Martin1:00:58

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       I'm like, "Man," like-

   18. AMAbby Martin1:00:59

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       ... "That's a good idea."

   20. AMAbby Martin1:01:00

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it, it's used as a crutch more and more, 'cause I think-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Yeah.

   22. AMAbby Martin1:01:03

       ... people are just trying to numb out what the hell-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Sure.

   24. AMAbby Martin1:01:06

       ... is going on.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       But hey, better that than pills.

   26. AMAbby Martin1:01:08

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       You know? Better that than alcohol.

   28. AMAbby Martin1:01:10

       Oh, my God. Dude, uh, I just read something about how su- death by suicides is going up in the US and it's going down in almost every other country in the world. It's, like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       What is it related to?

   30. AMAbby Martin1:01:20

       ... it's a uniquely fucked up problem. Everything, man. I mean, it's the same reason why so many-

Episode duration: 2:16:40