Joe Rogan Experience #1365 - Cameron Hanes

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator” and he also has a podcast available on Apple Podcasts called "Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes."

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Oct 10, 20192h 30mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 2:56
“Must Be Nice” mindset: comments, envy, and internet feedback
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Three, two, one. Cameron Hanes, ladies and gentlemen.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Hey, what's up?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Nice shirt, buddy. It's a ridiculous shirt.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  You like this one?
5. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
6. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That's you and me in Utah, and it says, "Must be nice." (laughs)
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, the story... You know, everybody says... They look at somebody and they'll be like, "Man, must be nice to," whatever.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  To be able to have that-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... or to get this-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... or be able to go there.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  So it's like, (sighs) you know, we obviously have a great elk hunt. I see a couple of comments, and it's like people saying, "Must be nice," which it is. It's amazing-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  ... but-
21. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Yeah, so just kinda-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I think you read too many comments. That's what I'm saying.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  I think you read some comments too.
24. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
26. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Why do you think I read them? You've already said that.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  I thi- I think you do.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  You never catch me reading them though, do you?
30. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
2:56 – 6:06
When comments are good: real-life transformations and responsibility to inspire
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But every now and then there's something nice. Like, I saw this dude-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that we were talking about in the last podcast. I reached out to him. He lost... How much weight did that guy lose, Jamie?
4. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  I think it was like 200 and s- He went from like 417 to 198.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  So I-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I sent him a DM. I'm like, "I'm sending this guy a DM."
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  That's fucking amazing, man.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  It is. No-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's amazing. Congratulations.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  So you do see people because-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  ... like when you reach... Okay, you're, you're gonna reach millions of people. There's gonna be a few dipshits, but there's also going to be a few like that-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  ... where it's just like, "Oh my God, this is..." I mean, how impactful is that? That's like... It affects your life-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  ... you know?
19. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Because it's so positive.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, one of the things that you do online that I think is super important is you provide inspiration. You know, we were talking yesterday when I had Dakota Meyer on. We were talking about Goggins and Jocko, and you do the same thing. It's like you provide something where people, they, they could see you working hard and they see you smiling and, and getting after it, and it makes people want to do things. And when they know that you're doing these hundred mile races and all this crazy shit that you do, they, they... It gives them like the... Just enough of a push to get off the couch-
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and get going. And sometimes that's all someone needs to change their whole life.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  You need a day.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  A good day. A good day where you get moving and you-
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you get your legs pumping and you, you know, you, you, you get huffing and puffing and you get your heart rate up and you sweat, and then afterwards you feel great and you go, "Okay, tomorrow I'm gonna do it again."
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Yeah.
6:06 – 8:16
Accountability culture: Jocko’s watch photos and seeking hard challenges
1. CHCameron Hanes
  ... or them, or who, you know? Uh, that's the one thing I love about Jocko too is, uh, you know, just the, the shot of his watch every day. I mean, you know he's up at 4:30 and he's getting it done.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  No excuses.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  None, none.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. And he's just-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  None.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  And that's, I, I think that accountability is probably accountability for him, but also it's like the people know, "Okay, hey, this is what we need to expect of ourselves."
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Someone, uh, a guy said, "I don't like following Jocko 'cause all it does is take pictures of his watch." I'm like, "You're missing the point man."
9. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a new picture.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a new picture-
13. CHCameron Hanes
  Every day.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... every goddamn day-
15. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... of a new day with his fucking watch, getting up and getting after it. And then afterwards, there's a puddle of sweat on the ground.
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And he's doing it every day.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah. It's impressive.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's good for you.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  It's im- it's like, and that was, I'd never met him until our, our elk hunt in Utah. And man, people ask, "Hey, so how was Jocko?" And I'm like, "Exactly like what you'd ex-"
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
23. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean how, what he says and how he portrays himself-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  ... that's how he is.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  That's how he is. Yeah.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  And he's like, you know, they had that day, they were expecting a long day of, of blood trailing or just covering miles in the mountains, and he's like, he couldn't wait.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he was looking forward to it.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  He couldn't wait.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He ate three plates of meatloaf. (laughs)
8:16 – 15:16
Discipline transfers: from martial arts to bowhunting—and why archery demands control
1. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. It's that discipline, I think guys like you and him, it's, it's just easy transition. 'Cause you've had the d- like, and I always say this, bow hunting's done this for me, um, it gave me discipline or structure when I didn't have any. And I think, you know, jujitsu did that for you too at th- or n- no, it wasn't jujitsu then.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  TaeKwonDo started out-
3. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, TaeKwonDo.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... kickboxing. A lot of different martial arts.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  But yeah, so it's the sa- it's different, but it's the same type of discipline for young-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, I guess it was young for us, but it's a, it's a transition to people who, who have that mindset and they like, know that I'm gonna have to punch this time clock every day for a while before I s- I get to a high level.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  And it's just like, the, that certain type of, uh, personality or people don't, they don't shy away from that. They like, or gra- they gravitate towards it.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's also d- being able to pull it together in the moment, which to me, I g- I've always sought challenges where the, like, it requires you to maintain your mental state.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Like whether it's standup comedy or fighting. And to me, archery might be the ultimate.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, man.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Bow hunting is the ultimate, because in these moments where like that bull is gonna be in between those two trees for five seconds-
15. CHCameron Hanes
  I know.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and you gotta draw back and make that shot-
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... these are crazy moments that you have to, uh, you have to have practiced.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  You have to-
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... have put in the time. There's no substitution.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  It's, I don't think people who haven't done it realize how difficult it is. And then I think people who've done it, they definitely know how hard it is.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  That, that is one of the h- as you mentioned, one of the hardest things to do. But that's why that, that's why that video of you in Utah, 67 yards, and it was just like we had been in on bulls, like had opportunity, uh, with sp-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  From the moment, at the beginning of the, the morning.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, it was a rough house.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Real close.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  It was a rough house.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy day.
15:16 – 1:09:07
The Utah 67-yard bull: crunch-time execution and why practice shows up under stress
1. CHCameron Hanes
  That moment was so crazy, because, uh, you know, we had that bull in front of us... That bull, but it was a big bull. But we were stuck over more to the left.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  And we could see him up there. He had these little, smaller satellite bulls kinda in the way. We were in the sun, which was driving me crazy. So we ended up having to circle all the way back around to get back up there, had to line a spruce so we could sneak up. But, uh, it was... You know, those bull... The bull you shot went and fought with another bull for a brief time. And we were switching back and forth which, which one to shoot, 'cause they were both big bulls. And it's just like, just to be able to slow that down, and make such a perfect shot in a moment like that. Oh, my God, it's so hard.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) It was so awesome, though.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  It was so, it was so... That... Yeah, it was so amazing, but it's so hard.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, this is th- this is it?
7. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  He just got done fighting with a bull.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Take him, buddy. Nice shot.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, my God.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, my God, dude.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, wow.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  So, he runs-
15. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, my gosh, Joe.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  You can't see it in this film. He runs up this ridge right here, and boom, he's down-
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... right there.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean-
21. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Oh.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... cu- cou- couple seconds lat- This is everything that you hope for as a bow hunter.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
25. CHCameron Hanes
  It was amaz- And I, I see a lot of people who, who haven't hunted. They, uh, they're under the impression that maybe as soon as you, the arrow hits the animal, how come he didn't go down?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  You know what I mean? 'Cause they just don't know. So, that bull was alive for seconds after that, essentially. He ran up, probably went about 100 yards.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  He ran until there was no more air. His, his-
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Both of his lungs were gone.
16:31 – 19:10
What a “good kill” looks like: animal behavior after impact and bow vs. rifle misconceptions
1. CHCameron Hanes
  It was amaz- And I, I see a lot of people who, who haven't hunted. They, uh, they're under the impression that maybe as soon as you, the arrow hits the animal, how come he didn't go down?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  You know what I mean? 'Cause they just don't know. So, that bull was alive for seconds after that, essentially. He ran up, probably went about 100 yards.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  He ran until there was no more air. His, his-
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Both of his lungs were gone.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  Right, right.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  So he just sprinted. He never knew what happened. He probably thought he got jabbed by another bull or something.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, 'cause he-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  He had no idea.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  'Cause he was just fighting with that other bull.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  And they, they have, uh, take tines to the shoulder and everything.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, he had holes in him, remember?
15. CHCameron Hanes
  All the, all the time.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  All these li-
17. CHCameron Hanes
  He was beat up.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  He was beat up.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  All those holes in him.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  But they... You know, a lot of times, bulls get shot with an arrow, and they don't even realize it. You know, all of a sudden, their blood pressure drops 'cause they're, 'cause it's hemorrhaging.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  And then they essentially pass out, but then they die.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the bull that I shot last year in California, that's what happened to him. He walked four yards.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  He just walked four yards and tipped over.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Boom. And he dropped right there. I mean, it was the closest to shooting an animal where he died that I've ever seen.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He just died immediately.
19:10 – 21:07
Conservation economics: why hunters fund wildlife and habitat
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they also don't understand that all the money that's spent on this elk hunt, all of it goes to ensure the healthy populations of these animals.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Most of it.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, most of it goes to wildlife preservation, it goes to keeping their- their habitat strong-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... their numbers strong. And this is what pays for what the ... If people love animals, you should love hunters, 'cause hunters pay for most of the wildlife conservation in this country.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. You know, and that message is ... Of course, that's ... You know, we've talked about that numerous times, but that message is- is getting out.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Um, the, uh, (laughs) the groomer today that I had, um, she- she was-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You had a groomer?
12. CHCameron Hanes
  ... a groomer.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  My dog Marshall goes to a groomer.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Right. Yeah. So, similar.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
16. CHCameron Hanes
  But she doesn't hunt, but she wants to hunt because she wants to be, you know, self-sufficient, essentially.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  But she was talking about ... She doesn't know, but she knows that doesn't hunting pay for protection of the animals. And- and I'm like ... You know, I explained what you just said. And so it's ... People are figuring it out.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, we're getting the message out, so that's good.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I mean, there's- there's so many different messages that you hear, stats, you know, about meat consumption and food and, like, what's bad for the environment, what's good for the environment.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  There's- there's so many, like, small little sound bites that people like to rally off.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's, uh ... This is something that's ... Uh, this ... Without a doubt, it's the best way you could ever get your meat.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  There's nothing even close ... It's not even a close second.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  No.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's the best way. These animals ... By the time you're getting to 'em in the rut, they're already breeding.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
21:07 – 25:52
Meat quality and nutrition: wild game vs. grain-fed beef, and ethical sourcing
1. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Yeah. That's why I feel ... You know, I got into hunting ... I don't know if meat was up on the ... High on the list. I was just a young kid and just wanted to hunt, wanted to get my buck. "Hey, you get your buck." That's all I wanted to do, is get my buck. And then ... But now, the meat is ... Man, it's- it's as much as the antlers, for sure.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  You know, just getting that meat, hundreds of pounds of meat, bringing it home, eating it, um, fuels us for everything we do. And it's like, to me ... I mean, at our age, we're the same age now, but not long ago, our age was old.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  We were dead.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. I don't- I don't feel ... I feel better than I've ever felt. And I'm just like, "I- if I was 25, I didn't feel as good as I feel right now." And maybe that's wild game meat. I don't know.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I guarantee you, it has something to do with it.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I guarantee you.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  And d- don't ... How ... I mean, how do you feel? F-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I feel fucking fantastic.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs) 52.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I had a hard run this morning, right before my podcast.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, man. Um, I think it's the most nutrient-dense food that you can ever get.
15. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, you ... Just look at it.
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  When you look at a- like a backstrap from an elk-
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, God.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it's like a dark red. It looks like it's filled with nutrition.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  It tastes so good. Like, when you're eating it, I feel, like, energy.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, like, uh, it's- it's hard to describe-
25. CHCameron Hanes
  It is.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but it's just a way better meat. It's just way better.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  I- I was watching ... I took video of Colton pulling out the tenderloin of your bull-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  ... because people don't understand how you can get ... Without gutting it, you can get the tenderloins out, which are under the spine. Um, and that ... When he pulls that out, it's just like ... I mean, i- if ... I mean, if a- a- s- a sound bite could've came in or- or something, and there's like Whoa.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25:52 – 46:50
Crowded seasons and access debates: public vs. private land, pressure, and “bragging rights”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know, it's interesting, I'm ... I was listening to Rinella, um, talk recently about this, uh, horrendous trip that they had in the back country because there were so many hunters-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... during, uh, muzzleloader and archery seasons.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  This year?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  In Colorado.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, I wonder, like ... I wonder how much us talking about it all the time is affecting the numbers of people that actually go out and try it. 'Cause you just stop and think about the, the numbers of people listening to this podcast, it's a bananas number. It's, you know-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... millions and millions of people. And-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Well, the feedback I see is, like there's ... Y- you know, when they say, uh, 'cause I had just had this, this talk with my buddy, Wayne Endicott. You know Wayne.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  I was out at his place shooting the other day, and, uh, you know, it says we've lost, since 2016, two million licensed hunters. And I told him, I said, "I don't know where, where we lost them from, but bow hunting has got to be ..." 'Cause he owns the Bow Rack.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  And bow, bowhunting is skyrocketing, 'cause I see. I mean-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  ... I, I see the, the following and people talking about it, like you mentioned, and he said he was in Colorado too, looking for elk, and ran into, like, 10 different guys back there.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  So, yeah, there is ... Yeah, I don't really-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I think people are looking at it more as, like, a pursuit, like, a difficult pursuit.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Not just hunting-
24. CHCameron Hanes
  No, no.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for meat.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  No, it's different now.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  It's like, it's ... Yeah, the ... It's changed.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat) Yeah, I wonder if that's 'cause of us talking about it. I'm ... It's had to have-
30. CHCameron Hanes
  I think so.
46:50 – 53:33
Hunting unity vs. infighting—and the hypocrisy of meat-eaters judging hunters
1. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. I did wanna say, uh, one thing about, um, the whole must-be-nice type thing, is, I don't... A big pet peeve of mine is not so much the public and private and, and all that, but it's just like, hunters are a small group anyway. Why the hell are we trying to rip each other apart, judge, cannibalize the small group, which, we're fighting for a space in this world anyway?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  Come on. I mean, like, when I s- ... And, you know, I was defending at one time, you and Jocko, I think maybe it was on Andy's page, but whatever.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Must be nice.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. And, and it's like, guys, they're fucking out hunting, celebrating our lifestyle. I mean, 'cause they'll be like, "Well, I don't have a problem with you, 'cause you, you've been doing it for 30 years." I'm like, "Who cares?" They're hunters. They're talking about it, they're doing it. This is a win.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  A win. What are we doing? I mean, 'cause you, 'cause they haven't been out there for 30 years and couldn't afford an elk tag? It s- they shouldn't do it? They, I mean, come on. So-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it's sh- people get shortsighted and selfish.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, that's it.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's, but that's in comedy. That's in everything, man. That's in everything.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, but-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  There's always gonna be people that think that way.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  But comedy's not something that, that the public can vote out. The public can-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
15. CHCameron Hanes
  ... vote out hunting.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
17. CHCameron Hanes
  So, we start cannibalizing ourselves, uh, it's not-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's true, yeah.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, you know, we could... I'm not gonna say... We got some momentum going now, but we could lose it.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. It's possible. There's enough people that are ignorant to what hunting really is.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  And enough people that actually eat meat that are ignorant to what h- hunting really is.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  Exactly. I mean, it's like 96% of people are eating meat. But I think if we explain what, how hunting works, and, and, and... But, we have to have all hunters on that same page supporting each other.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  My wife was at dinner with s- uh, with some friends, and one of her friend's husbands was asking where, what I do. And she said he, "Well, he's actually on a, an elk hunt right now."
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  And the guy was eating a steak.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And he goes, "Well, that's abhorrent."
29. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He was eating a steak.
53:33 – 1:09:07
Anti-meat activism, vegan recidivism, and environmental tradeoffs
1. CHCameron Hanes
  ... have that connection. And y- I saw this video today. This is what drives me crazy, and I don't, I don't wanna go back, rehash everything we've ever talked about. But I saw this video today. Who had it up? Um, anyway, these vegans were set up in front of this, I guess where you get hamburgers.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that big guy-
3. CHCameron Hanes
  The big guy.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... bursting through the line?
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  So when do hunters ever like get confrontational and violent with people who don't wanna eat meat?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  When does that happen?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they think somehow or another by blocking this burger stand that they're changing the world. They're just trying to be activists, you know? They're trying to get a message out. And most of them will quit. They're gonna quit veganism and they're gonna start eating meat again because of their health.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's, that's the truth. It's some ridiculous number. Google this. What num- I, I think they said the number of, uh, vegans and vegetarians that eat meat when they're drunk is something outrageous.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like close to 90%. (laughs)
15. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Well, no kidding.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  But how many, how many vegans wind up quitting and eating meat?
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Well-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I wonder if they've ever done a study on that.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  This is like a big thing, 'cause, you know, there's been a movement, sort of a movement, and people have different success rates with being a vegan. But Cam Newton, who is a quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. Big dude, 6'6", 250, 260.... he went vegan and he cannot get healthy. He cannot. He's been injured, he's, I mean, the face of the franchise, probably a $100 million contract, um, I mean, made it to the Super Bowl, but since, just been on a decline. And it, it's like almost hand in hand with this changing to vegan.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know that guy, Dr. Shawn Baker? He's the-
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... advocate of the-
23. CHCameron Hanes
  The meat guy?
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... carnivore diet.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  He marks, uh, all these people that were in, originally in that Game Changers documentary that James Cameron put out.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  A shit ton of them quit before the movie came out and they had to pull them out of the movie-
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because they were vegan and because of health reasons, they had to quit.
1:06:39 – 1:17:26
How Cameron changed: from quitting a 10K to building a life around discipline
1. JRJoe Rogan
  While I was talking to a friend of mine, you know, and they'll, and, and then I was saying, "Well, you know, Cam, when he first started running, he had a hard time running a mile." And they were like, "What?"
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, yeah, that's how it works.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. It was, um... Yeah. You know, when I was, when I first started, I mean, I was okay in high school, you know, 'cause I did all the sports. And we'd do maybe a 10K during the summer, so. But then after high school-... then I was just like, I thought it was really cool, I could buy beer. So I was like 21 and I'd swing by that Riverview Market on the way home and buy a six-pack of Tall Boys. And, you know, I thought that was cool I could pound some, you know, Coors Light. And I'm like, "Oh, I'm a stud now."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
6. CHCameron Hanes
  And then I started, you know, to get fat. And I'm like, "I didn't... nobody cared." It was like, I didn't have, I wasn't living up to any ex- expectations. I was actually, uh, living down to expectations. And so, I went through a phase there where I was just, like, not healthy. I was still hunting, but no real s- um, sense of s- I don't know. I didn't have, I wasn't accountable for anything or to anybody, didn't have any high expectations, so I'm like, "Whatever." And I remember I, I signed up for the Butte 2 Butte 10K and I got there to Fifth Street Public Market was about five miles, I had another mile left and I quit. And I'm just like, "This sucks." And so that was, I think from there, I'm like, "Nobody feels good." You know, you don't feel good when you're in that s- in that place. So, I'm, it was a slow grind, but I got to where I just kept doing more and more and more and then I did my first marathon, like, in 2002.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  When you quit, the next day how shitty did you feel?
8. CHCameron Hanes
  I felt shitty all the time. So it wasn't like-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, it wasn't, you know, I was living with four guys and we'd just drink beer all the time, and, you know. I remember this one guy got DUI, like two DUIs in three weeks, I think both in my truck. At least I wasn't drive- I would never dri- you know, I mean, I w- I never n- never got caught. But it was just, like, just stupid. So it was just like another disappointment. It wasn't, didn't stand out, 'cause-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It was just, there was no success.

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“Must Be Nice” mindset: comments, envy, and internet feedback

When comments are good: real-life transformations and responsibility to inspire

Accountability culture: Jocko’s watch photos and seeking hard challenges

Discipline transfers: from martial arts to bowhunting—and why archery demands control

The Utah 67-yard bull: crunch-time execution and why practice shows up under stress

What a “good kill” looks like: animal behavior after impact and bow vs. rifle misconceptions

Conservation economics: why hunters fund wildlife and habitat

Meat quality and nutrition: wild game vs. grain-fed beef, and ethical sourcing

Crowded seasons and access debates: public vs. private land, pressure, and “bragging rights”

Hunting unity vs. infighting—and the hypocrisy of meat-eaters judging hunters

Anti-meat activism, vegan recidivism, and environmental tradeoffs

How Cameron changed: from quitting a 10K to building a life around discipline

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