Joe Rogan Experience #1365 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Three, two, one. Cameron…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two, one. Cameron Hanes, ladies and gentlemen.

   2. CHCameron Hanes0:04

      Hey, what's up?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Nice shirt, buddy. It's a ridiculous shirt.

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:08

      You like this one?

   5. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)0:09

      (laughs)

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:09

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      That's you and me in Utah, and it says, "Must be nice." (laughs)

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:13

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      'Cause-

   10. CHCameron Hanes0:14

       Yeah, the story... You know, everybody says... They look at somebody and they'll be like, "Man, must be nice to," whatever.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       To be able to have that-

   12. CHCameron Hanes0:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       ... or to get this-

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:22

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... or be able to go there.

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:23

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Yeah.

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:24

       So it's like, (sighs) you know, we obviously have a great elk hunt. I see a couple of comments, and it's like people saying, "Must be nice," which it is. It's amazing-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah.

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:34

       ... but-

   21. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)0:35

       Yeah, so just kinda-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       I think you read too many comments. That's what I'm saying.

   23. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       I think you read some comments too.

   24. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)0:41

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs)

   26. CHCameron Hanes0:41

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Why do you think I read them? You've already said that.

   28. CHCameron Hanes0:43

       I thi- I think you do.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You never catch me reading them though, do you?

   30. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)0:46

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   On the s- …

   1. CHCameron Hanes15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      On the s-

   3. CHCameron Hanes15:00

      ... it just kind of-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      The shot was almost automatical-

   5. CHCameron Hanes15:01

      Su-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      ... almost automatic.

   7. CHCameron Hanes15:02

      Yeah, subconscious.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      But that's why I said practice is so important-

   9. CHCameron Hanes15:05

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       ... because it's like, I had practiced it-

   11. CHCameron Hanes15:06

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       ... so many times, that I just looked at that elk like it was a target.

   13. CHCameron Hanes15:09

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       I knew what to do. And just... But it was only because of the reps, reps, reps, reps-

   15. CHCameron Hanes15:15

       It was-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       ... reps, reps, reps.

   17. CHCameron Hanes15:16

       That moment was so crazy, because, uh, you know, we had that bull in front of us... That bull, but it was a big bull. But we were stuck over more to the left.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Mm-hmm.

   19. CHCameron Hanes15:28

       And we could see him up there. He had these little, smaller satellite bulls kinda in the way. We were in the sun, which was driving me crazy. So we ended up having to circle all the way back around to get back up there, had to line a spruce so we could sneak up. But, uh, it was... You know, those bull... The bull you shot went and fought with another bull for a brief time. And we were switching back and forth which, which one to shoot, 'cause they were both big bulls. And it's just like, just to be able to slow that down, and make such a perfect shot in a moment like that. Oh, my God, it's so hard.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       (laughs) It was so awesome, though.

   21. CHCameron Hanes16:01

       It was so, it was so... That... Yeah, it was so amazing, but it's so hard.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Oh, this is th- this is it?

   23. CHCameron Hanes16:06

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Yeah.

   25. CHCameron Hanes16:07

       He just got done fighting with a bull.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Take him, buddy. Nice shot.

   27. CHCameron Hanes16:16

       Oh, my God.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Oh, my God, dude.

   29. CHCameron Hanes16:17

       Oh, wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       So, he runs-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yikes. …

   1. CHCameron Hanes30:00

      work.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Yikes.

   3. CHCameron Hanes30:00

      It's amazing. I mean, you know how much work it is breaking down-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yeah.

   5. CHCameron Hanes30:03

      ... a bull 'cause-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Yeah.

   7. CHCameron Hanes30:04

      ... 'cause we've done it, but then you go from there to, "Okay, now I gotta walk it out 10 miles."

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      And you gotta preserve the meat, so you gotta hang it and make sure it's getting cool.

   9. CHCameron Hanes30:15

      Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       And, I mean, that ... Um, (clears throat) my friend Ryan Callahan shot a bull. He, uh, got a, um, a tag in New Mexico and he wrote a whole article about it 'cause he, he lost-

   11. CHCameron Hanes30:27

       I read that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       ... a bull.

   13. CHCameron Hanes30:27

       I read that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Very disheartening.

   15. CHCameron Hanes30:28

       Yeah, it was.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Huge bull.

   17. CHCameron Hanes30:30

       Yeah. That was, I mean, so that was a nice six-point. It was ... Yeah, he was, uh ...Yeah. I mean, it's real.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       (coughs)

   19. CHCameron Hanes30:39

       And, uh, I mean, yeah, I think it's important to share those honest experiences. Um, but also it's like, man, you don't want people who don't get it to get the wrong impression.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       Yeah.

   21. CHCameron Hanes30:52

       That's always the-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Right, right, right. With a wounded animal, in particular, right?

   23. CHCameron Hanes30:56

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       When you see an animal get...

   25. CHCameron Hanes30:58

       And he even mentioned that in the article. He said-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       (coughs)

   27. CHCameron Hanes31:01

       ... he realizes about the, the, um, not s- uh, I don't know, about the, wh- what, what people might think about bow hunters.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       Yeah, the stigma attached to it.

   29. CHCameron Hanes31:09

       The stigma, yeah, that's it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      you're, whether or not you can recover. So, even though you're heaving and hoving and, ugh, you know, he- heaving and... Heaving and hoeing? What's the word?

   2. CHCameron Hanes45:07

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      What do we say, heave-hoe? (laughs) You're, you're fucking heaving.

   4. CHCameron Hanes45:10

      Gasping.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      You're, you're gasping for air at the top. Your heart rate drops down if you're in shape.

   6. CHCameron Hanes45:14

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      So even though you've done the sprint, within a minute, everything's dropping back down, and then you're cool again.

   8. CHCameron Hanes45:20

      The biggest-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      And then you can make the shot.

   10. CHCameron Hanes45:21

       ... the biggest thing I see is not only that recovery, but making good decisions.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Yes.

   12. CHCameron Hanes45:26

       Because it's still hunting.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Fatigue.

   14. CHCameron Hanes45:28

       You still have to outwit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Yep.

   16. CHCameron Hanes45:29

       So what happens is, when people get gassed, they take shortcuts, you know? They get gassed from going up the hill, hard, trying to get this, and then they're like, "God, do I really have to circle around to keep the wind right?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       Right, right, right.

   18. CHCameron Hanes45:41

       "Maybe I can just get away with here." So it's like, you take shortcuts.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Mm-hmm.

   20. CHCameron Hanes45:45

       And you can't take shortcuts. So the, the more fatigued you are, the more inclined you are to take shortcuts. The better shaped you are, the... You're gonna do it right, and you're gonna make, make de- good decisions.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       The first bull that we got into in the f- early morning, that bull was at, what was it like, 52 yards?

   22. CHCameron Hanes46:01

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       And I was at full draw, and he caught a whiff of us.

   24. CHCameron Hanes46:04

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And he was right... He was walking right into-

   26. CHCameron Hanes46:07

       Oh, right in the open.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       ... the path.

   28. CHCameron Hanes46:08

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Right into the path. He would've been broadside.

   30. CHCameron Hanes46:11

       Mm-hmm.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:07

   Doesn't make any sense.…

   1. CHCameron Hanes1:00:00

      One thing I do, I, I did also see is, um, 'cause I killed three bulls this year and, and it's li- it's weird because people say, "Well, there's no way you could eat all that." So I said, "Well, how good are you at math?" So I go through, I got five people in my family, average fa- average person eats 220 pounds of meat a year. My family eats more than that, but just say for that. So that's 1,100 pounds of meat. As we know, say a big bull elk might, you might get 300 pounds. So if I kill three, that's 900 pounds of meat. That's still less than I'm gonna eat. So it's like people would be like, "It'd be better if you killed maybe just one bull, and if you bought the, the rest, then I wouldn't have a problem with it." It doesn't, that seems weird.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

      Doesn't make any sense. Well-

   3. CHCameron Hanes1:00:47

      It doesn't, doesn't make any sense.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      ... people, they also don't understand you have freezers, you keep everything.

   5. CHCameron Hanes1:00:51

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Or I also share it with friends.

   7. CHCameron Hanes1:00:53

      Yeah, me too.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

      I mean, every time I kill a bull, I have a ton of friends-

   9. CHCameron Hanes1:00:56

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       ... that are lined up.

   11. CHCameron Hanes1:00:57

       There's nothing I love more than giving away meat.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       I love it. I love it.

   13. CHCameron Hanes1:00:59

       'Cause like I always said, as a hunter-... we are providers.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Yeah.

   15. CHCameron Hanes1:01:02

       That's how it's always been.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Yeah.

   17. CHCameron Hanes1:01:04

       So there's a certain sense of satis- satisfaction, and, and I don't know if it's honoring the animal. I don't know what it feels like, but it feels like to me, it feels right-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       Yeah.

   19. CHCameron Hanes1:01:14

       ... to give meat and to have somebody say, "Man, that elk you gave me, that was the best meat I've ever had."

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       I just bought a ton of freezer bags so I can give away to friends.

   21. CHCameron Hanes1:01:24

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       You know, I get elk sausage made and-

   23. CHCameron Hanes1:01:26

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       ... when, in Utah that, um, the butcher that handles the meat out there makes great jerky.

   25. CHCameron Hanes1:01:31

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       So I get a bunch of jerky made out-

   27. CHCameron Hanes1:01:33

       Oh, do you?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       ... and hand that out to people. It's awesome.

   29. CHCameron Hanes1:01:34

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       I love it.

Episode duration: 2:30:06