Joe Rogan Experience #1365 - Cameron Hanes

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator” and he also has a podcast available on Apple Podcasts called "Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes."

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0:00 – 3:33
“Must Be Nice”: social media comments, feedback, and obsession traps
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Three, two, one. Cameron Hanes, ladies and gentlemen.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Hey, what's up?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Nice shirt, buddy. It's a ridiculous shirt.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  You like this one?
5. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
6. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That's you and me in Utah, and it says, "Must be nice." (laughs)
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, the story... You know, everybody says... They look at somebody and they'll be like, "Man, must be nice to," whatever.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  To be able to have that-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... or to get this-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... or be able to go there.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  So it's like, (sighs) you know, we obviously have a great elk hunt. I see a couple of comments, and it's like people saying, "Must be nice," which it is. It's amazing-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  ... but-
21. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Yeah, so just kinda-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I think you read too many comments. That's what I'm saying.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  I think you read some comments too.
24. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
26. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Why do you think I read them? You've already said that.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  I thi- I think you do.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  You never catch me reading them though, do you?
30. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
3:33 – 7:45
Inspiration that actually changes lives: momentum, consistency, and accountability
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, one of the things that you do online that I think is super important is you provide inspiration. You know, we were talking yesterday when I had Dakota Meyer on. We were talking about Goggins and Jocko, and you do the same thing. It's like you provide something where people, they, they could see you working hard and they see you smiling and, and getting after it, and it makes people want to do things. And when they know that you're doing these hundred mile races and all this crazy shit that you do, they, they... It gives them like the... Just enough of a push to get off the couch-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and get going. And sometimes that's all someone needs to change their whole life.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You need a day.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  A good day. A good day where you get moving and you-
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you get your legs pumping and you, you know, you, you, you get huffing and puffing and you get your heart rate up and you sweat, and then afterwards you feel great and you go, "Okay, tomorrow I'm gonna do it again."
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And the next thing you know, you got 15 days in a row, and the next thing you know-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you're down 10 pounds.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  That's right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And the next thing you know, you're, you're cutting off on the booze and you're eating good-
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and now, now you're joining a gym and you're starting to do chin-ups and shit, and you're getting in shape, and you look way better, and you feel better.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  That's it.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You make better choices.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Your life moves smoother.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  It's... Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's... It builds up momentum and it... You know, the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and that one step-
23. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Yeah.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  ... is one day, or maybe-
25. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  Yeah.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  ... the first, first step on a... Your first run. But, you know, I, I see that all the time too, because I genu- genuinely enjoy working hard. And so I am smiling and, and it's like people say, "Okay, enough's enough."
27. GCGuest (third mic, minor contributor)
  (laughs)
28. CHCameron Hanes
  "I'm gonna... I've been watching you for whatever. I'm gonna do it."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  And so it's like, I don't know if you beat them into submission finally, but whatever the case is, uh, wha- whatever re- for whatever reason people get out there, they do. And then it starts that journey, like, like you said, towards, uh, a different life essentially.
7:45 – 9:49
Discipline across domains: why bowhunting is the ultimate “keep it together” skill
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, that's why I love the fact that he, you know, at 45 years of age, or 46, whatever he is-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... decided to get into bow hunting hardcore. And a year in, he's taking on this crazy elk hunt.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  I know, I know, I know it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  In Utah. I mean, it's awesome.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, it was amazing.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's awesome.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I love when people are not scared to take on new challenges.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, like something that's completely outside their wheelhouse. Like, when he started shooting and he got together with Dudley and Dudley started giving him some instruction-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I got pumped because I knew-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... I'm like, "This guy is gonna dive into this head first."
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. It's that discipline, I think guys like you and him, it's, it's just easy transition. 'Cause you've had the d- like, and I always say this, bow hunting's done this for me, um, it gave me discipline or structure when I didn't have any. And I think, you know, jujitsu did that for you too at th- or n- no, it wasn't jujitsu then.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  TaeKwonDo started out-
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, TaeKwonDo.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... kickboxing. A lot of different martial arts.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  But yeah, so it's the sa- it's different, but it's the same type of discipline for young-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, I guess it was young for us, but it's a, it's a transition to people who, who have that mindset and they like, know that I'm gonna have to punch this time clock every day for a while before I s- I get to a high level.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  And it's just like, the, that certain type of, uh, personality or people don't, they don't shy away from that. They like, or gra- they gravitate towards it.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's also d- being able to pull it together in the moment, which to me, I g- I've always sought challenges where the, like, it requires you to maintain your mental state.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Like whether it's standup comedy or fighting. And to me, archery might be the ultimate.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, man.
9:49 – 16:31
The Utah bull at 67 yards: shot routine, “be the arrow,” and how practice shows up under stress
1. CHCameron Hanes
  That, that is one of the h- as you mentioned, one of the hardest things to do. But that's why that, that's why that video of you in Utah, 67 yards, and it was just like we had been in on bulls, like had opportunity, uh, with sp-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  From the moment, at the beginning of the, the morning.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, it was a rough house.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Real close.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  It was a rough house.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy day.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  But these opportunities were like right there, oh, you could almost grab 'em and they would, they were gone and it didn't happen. And in that one, just enough time, but he's like, "You had to do it all." You know, the, like the clock's ticking. Like it's not, you don't have-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  ... you don't have unlimited time.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  You have a couple seconds.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  When that bull takes a step-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  ... er, it's, it's over.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
15. CHCameron Hanes
  And for you to make that shot so perfect in crunch time, that was such a beautiful thing. (laughs) It's like th- that's why it elicited the, the uh, orgy type response.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, that's also why I said afterwards, "Practice is so important." That's all I was thinking.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, that's what you said.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That's-
21. CHCameron Hanes
  You sai- you said, "Practice," something about practice, and it's like that's what it goes do- so that's the building block.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  And it's just those reps, 'cause you can't... I guess you could get, make a lucky shot, but the chances of screwing that up are very high-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Touchdown.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  ... unless you got the reps.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. My, my thought process when I was making that shot was exactly the thought process that I go through when I'm practicing.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's why, and when I executed it and I saw that arrow hit exactly where I was aiming-
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Beautiful.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it was, I was, that's the first thought that came into my mind, "Practice is so important."
16:31 – 19:10
What happens after the shot: how animals die, ethics, and the “heavy” moment
1. CHCameron Hanes
  It was amaz- And I, I see a lot of people who, who haven't hunted. They, uh, they're under the impression that maybe as soon as you, the arrow hits the animal, how come he didn't go down?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  You know what I mean? 'Cause they just don't know. So, that bull was alive for seconds after that, essentially. He ran up, probably went about 100 yards.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  He ran until there was no more air. His, his-
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Both of his lungs were gone.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  Right, right.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  So he just sprinted. He never knew what happened. He probably thought he got jabbed by another bull or something.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, 'cause he-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  He had no idea.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  'Cause he was just fighting with that other bull.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  And they, they have, uh, take tines to the shoulder and everything.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, he had holes in him, remember?
15. CHCameron Hanes
  All the, all the time.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  All these li-
17. CHCameron Hanes
  He was beat up.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  He was beat up.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  All those holes in him.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  But they... You know, a lot of times, bulls get shot with an arrow, and they don't even realize it. You know, all of a sudden, their blood pressure drops 'cause they're, 'cause it's hemorrhaging.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  And then they essentially pass out, but then they die.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the bull that I shot last year in California, that's what happened to him. He walked four yards.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  He just walked four yards and tipped over.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Boom. And he dropped right there. I mean, it was the closest to shooting an animal where he died that I've ever seen.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He just died immediately.
19:10 – 25:52
Conservation and wild meat: why hunters fund wildlife and why elk is “the best meat”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they also don't understand that all the money that's spent on this elk hunt, all of it goes to ensure the healthy populations of these animals.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Most of it.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, most of it goes to wildlife preservation, it goes to keeping their- their habitat strong-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... their numbers strong. And this is what pays for what the ... If people love animals, you should love hunters, 'cause hunters pay for most of the wildlife conservation in this country.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. You know, and that message is ... Of course, that's ... You know, we've talked about that numerous times, but that message is- is getting out.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Um, the, uh, (laughs) the groomer today that I had, um, she- she was-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You had a groomer?
12. CHCameron Hanes
  ... a groomer.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  My dog Marshall goes to a groomer.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Right. Yeah. So, similar.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
16. CHCameron Hanes
  But she doesn't hunt, but she wants to hunt because she wants to be, you know, self-sufficient, essentially.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  But she was talking about ... She doesn't know, but she knows that doesn't hunting pay for protection of the animals. And- and I'm like ... You know, I explained what you just said. And so it's ... People are figuring it out.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, we're getting the message out, so that's good.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I mean, there's- there's so many different messages that you hear, stats, you know, about meat consumption and food and, like, what's bad for the environment, what's good for the environment.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  There's- there's so many, like, small little sound bites that people like to rally off.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's, uh ... This is something that's ... Uh, this ... Without a doubt, it's the best way you could ever get your meat.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  There's nothing even close ... It's not even a close second.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  No.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's the best way. These animals ... By the time you're getting to 'em in the rut, they're already breeding.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
25:52 – 53:33
Crowded seasons, public vs private land, and why “pressured” animals change the experience
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know, it's interesting, I'm ... I was listening to Rinella, um, talk recently about this, uh, horrendous trip that they had in the back country because there were so many hunters-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... during, uh, muzzleloader and archery seasons.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  This year?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  In Colorado.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, I wonder, like ... I wonder how much us talking about it all the time is affecting the numbers of people that actually go out and try it. 'Cause you just stop and think about the, the numbers of people listening to this podcast, it's a bananas number. It's, you know-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... millions and millions of people. And-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Well, the feedback I see is, like there's ... Y- you know, when they say, uh, 'cause I had just had this, this talk with my buddy, Wayne Endicott. You know Wayne.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  I was out at his place shooting the other day, and, uh, you know, it says we've lost, since 2016, two million licensed hunters. And I told him, I said, "I don't know where, where we lost them from, but bow hunting has got to be ..." 'Cause he owns the Bow Rack.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  And bow, bowhunting is skyrocketing, 'cause I see. I mean-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  ... I, I see the, the following and people talking about it, like you mentioned, and he said he was in Colorado too, looking for elk, and ran into, like, 10 different guys back there.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  So, yeah, there is ... Yeah, I don't really-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I think people are looking at it more as, like, a pursuit, like, a difficult pursuit.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Not just hunting-
24. CHCameron Hanes
  No, no.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for meat.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  No, it's different now.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  It's like, it's ... Yeah, the ... It's changed.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat) Yeah, I wonder if that's 'cause of us talking about it. I'm ... It's had to have-
30. CHCameron Hanes
  I think so.
53:33 – 59:59
Vegan activism, environmental claims, and “ethical meat” alternatives
1. CHCameron Hanes
  ... have that connection. And y- I saw this video today. This is what drives me crazy, and I don't, I don't wanna go back, rehash everything we've ever talked about. But I saw this video today. Who had it up? Um, anyway, these vegans were set up in front of this, I guess where you get hamburgers.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that big guy-
3. CHCameron Hanes
  The big guy.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... bursting through the line?
5. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  So when do hunters ever like get confrontational and violent with people who don't wanna eat meat?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  When does that happen?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, they think somehow or another by blocking this burger stand that they're changing the world. They're just trying to be activists, you know? They're trying to get a message out. And most of them will quit. They're gonna quit veganism and they're gonna start eating meat again because of their health.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's, that's the truth. It's some ridiculous number. Google this. What num- I, I think they said the number of, uh, vegans and vegetarians that eat meat when they're drunk is something outrageous.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like close to 90%. (laughs)
15. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Well, no kidding.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  But how many, how many vegans wind up quitting and eating meat?
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Well-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I wonder if they've ever done a study on that.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  This is like a big thing, 'cause, you know, there's been a movement, sort of a movement, and people have different success rates with being a vegan. But Cam Newton, who is a quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. Big dude, 6'6", 250, 260.... he went vegan and he cannot get healthy. He cannot. He's been injured, he's, I mean, the face of the franchise, probably a $100 million contract, um, I mean, made it to the Super Bowl, but since, just been on a decline. And it, it's like almost hand in hand with this changing to vegan.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know that guy, Dr. Shawn Baker? He's the-
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... advocate of the-
23. CHCameron Hanes
  The meat guy?
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... carnivore diet.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  He marks, uh, all these people that were in, originally in that Game Changers documentary that James Cameron put out.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  A shit ton of them quit before the movie came out and they had to pull them out of the movie-
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because they were vegan and because of health reasons, they had to quit.
59:59 – 1:04:18
Using the whole animal: freezers, sharing meat, and the provider identity
1. CHCameron Hanes
  They're a good outfit. One thing I do, I, I did also see is, um, 'cause I killed three bulls this year and, and it's li- it's weird because people say, "Well, there's no way you could eat all that." So I said, "Well, how good are you at math?" So I go through, I got five people in my family, average fa- average person eats 220 pounds of meat a year. My family eats more than that, but just say for that. So that's 1,100 pounds of meat. As we know, say a big bull elk might, you might get 300 pounds. So if I kill three, that's 900 pounds of meat. That's still less than I'm gonna eat. So it's like people would be like, "It'd be better if you killed maybe just one bull, and if you bought the, the rest, then I wouldn't have a problem with it." It doesn't, that seems weird.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Doesn't make any sense. Well-
3. CHCameron Hanes
  It doesn't, doesn't make any sense.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... people, they also don't understand you have freezers, you keep everything.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Or I also share it with friends.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, me too.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, every time I kill a bull, I have a ton of friends-
9. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that are lined up.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  There's nothing I love more than giving away meat.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I love it. I love it.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  'Cause like I always said, as a hunter-... we are providers.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. CHCameron Hanes
  That's how it's always been.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
17. CHCameron Hanes
  So there's a certain sense of satis- satisfaction, and, and I don't know if it's honoring the animal. I don't know what it feels like, but it feels like to me, it feels right-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  ... to give meat and to have somebody say, "Man, that elk you gave me, that was the best meat I've ever had."
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I just bought a ton of freezer bags so I can give away to friends.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, I get elk sausage made and-
23. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... when, in Utah that, um, the butcher that handles the meat out there makes great jerky.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So I get a bunch of jerky made out-
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, do you?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and hand that out to people. It's awesome.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  I love it.
1:04:18 – 1:06:39
Training camp hunts and species differences: Lanai axis deer vs elk tactics
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... particularly Lanai.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I think Lanai helps you a lot.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  It does, it does.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Because you're shooting at these little ninjas.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, God.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They're fast as shit.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  They're so fast.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They're the, just so delicious. And they, they must know it. (laughs)
10. CHCameron Hanes
  They're so fast.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And they're so pressured. They're the most-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... pressured animals on earth.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  I know.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And you get so many stalks and so many hunts in when you're there.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, to, those hunts that we do every year in Lanai, that, to me, I feel like that's my, my, like, training camp.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, for sure.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  It tightens up, you know?
20. CHCameron Hanes
  For sure. It's still, I mean, tell me what you thought about, like, when you're elk hunting, um, 'cause there's still, like, when do you move fast, when do you slow down-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  ... what you can get away with.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  That's still... Lanai helps that, but it's almost like I've noticed each species is different as far as what you can get away with.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  And elk are, they're noisy, so you can make a little bit of noise. They're, they're big animals, um, they're herd animals. So it's, it's almost like each species has its own-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  ... specialty.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Lanai, you can't get away with shit.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  No.
1:06:39 – 1:32:48
From beer-and-quitting to ultrarunner: fatherhood, identity, and building discipline
1. JRJoe Rogan
  While I was talking to a friend of mine, you know, and they'll, and, and then I was saying, "Well, you know, Cam, when he first started running, he had a hard time running a mile." And they were like, "What?"
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, yeah, that's how it works.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. It was, um... Yeah. You know, when I was, when I first started, I mean, I was okay in high school, you know, 'cause I did all the sports. And we'd do maybe a 10K during the summer, so. But then after high school-... then I was just like, I thought it was really cool, I could buy beer. So I was like 21 and I'd swing by that Riverview Market on the way home and buy a six-pack of Tall Boys. And, you know, I thought that was cool I could pound some, you know, Coors Light. And I'm like, "Oh, I'm a stud now."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
6. CHCameron Hanes
  And then I started, you know, to get fat. And I'm like, "I didn't... nobody cared." It was like, I didn't have, I wasn't living up to any ex- expectations. I was actually, uh, living down to expectations. And so, I went through a phase there where I was just, like, not healthy. I was still hunting, but no real s- um, sense of s- I don't know. I didn't have, I wasn't accountable for anything or to anybody, didn't have any high expectations, so I'm like, "Whatever." And I remember I, I signed up for the Butte 2 Butte 10K and I got there to Fifth Street Public Market was about five miles, I had another mile left and I quit. And I'm just like, "This sucks." And so that was, I think from there, I'm like, "Nobody feels good." You know, you don't feel good when you're in that s- in that place. So, I'm, it was a slow grind, but I got to where I just kept doing more and more and more and then I did my first marathon, like, in 2002.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  When you quit, the next day how shitty did you feel?
8. CHCameron Hanes
  I felt shitty all the time. So it wasn't like-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. CHCameron Hanes
  I mean, it wasn't, you know, I was living with four guys and we'd just drink beer all the time, and, you know. I remember this one guy got DUI, like two DUIs in three weeks, I think both in my truck. At least I wasn't drive- I would never dri- you know, I mean, I w- I never n- never got caught. But it was just, like, just stupid. So it was just like another disappointment. It wasn't, didn't stand out, 'cause-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It was just, there was no success.

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“Must Be Nice”: social media comments, feedback, and obsession traps

Inspiration that actually changes lives: momentum, consistency, and accountability

Discipline across domains: why bowhunting is the ultimate “keep it together” skill

The Utah bull at 67 yards: shot routine, “be the arrow,” and how practice shows up under stress

What happens after the shot: how animals die, ethics, and the “heavy” moment

Conservation and wild meat: why hunters fund wildlife and why elk is “the best meat”

Crowded seasons, public vs private land, and why “pressured” animals change the experience

Vegan activism, environmental claims, and “ethical meat” alternatives

Using the whole animal: freezers, sharing meat, and the provider identity

Training camp hunts and species differences: Lanai axis deer vs elk tactics

From beer-and-quitting to ultrarunner: fatherhood, identity, and building discipline

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