Joe Rogan Experience #1424 - Tom Papa

1. 0:03 – 1:14

   Tarantula hawk, bread as a provocation, and Joe’s carnivore cheat weekend

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Tommy Papa.

   2. TPTom Papa0:04

      Joey.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      What's going on, buddy? You looking at that, uh, tarantula hawk?

   4. TPTom Papa0:08

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      Look at the size of that sucker, huh?

   6. TPTom Papa0:10

      I know. I f- I found one of those in my tub once.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      That's straight from Maynard's farm. Maynard from, uh, Tool.

   8. TPTom Papa0:15

      Uh-huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah, he sent me that.

   10. TPTom Papa0:16

       Oh, wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       He found that fucking thing.

   12. TPTom Papa0:19

       (laughs) Jesus.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah. He was explaining it to me and then he sent me one 'cause he's, uh-

   14. TPTom Papa0:24

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       ... that's how he rolls.

   16. TPTom Papa0:24

       That's how he rolls. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs) Bro.

   18. TPTom Papa0:27

       They're the coolest.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       You brought bread. You know I'm on this all meat diet.

   20. TPTom Papa0:30

       I know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       You decided to bring bread to fuck with me, man.

   22. TPTom Papa0:31

       But you have a family.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Oh.

   24. TPTom Papa0:33

       You have a family.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       No, I, I ... I'll, I'll deviate a little bit. I'll deviate.

   26. TPTom Papa0:36

       You might wanna take a look at it later. It's a little wrinkly.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       I deviated over this weekend.

   28. TPTom Papa0:40

       You did?

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I went to ... Yeah. I went to Disneyland and, uh, I had ice cream.

   30. TPTom Papa0:44

       Oh, boy.
2. 1:14 – 2:23

   How Joe did the carnivore month (meals, allowed foods) and the chili-mango confession

   1. TPTom Papa1:14

      So, you were full on meat for-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      For a whole month.

   3. TPTom Papa1:17

      A whole month.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:18

      Yeah. But once-

   5. TPTom Papa1:18

      How many meals a day?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      Two, usually.

   7. TPTom Papa1:20

      Two?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Yeah. Usually a-

   9. TPTom Papa1:22

      And just-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       ... small meal around noon-

   11. TPTom Papa1:25

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       ... after I work out, and then dinner.

   13. TPTom Papa1:27

       All right. And th- ... No eggs? No-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Yeah, I would eat eggs. Eggs and fish.

   15. TPTom Papa1:33

       Eggs, fish.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Eggs, fish, meat.

   17. TPTom Papa1:34

       Meat.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Just no carbohydrates.

   19. TPTom Papa1:35

       No vegetables at all?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       No vegetables at all.

   21. TPTom Papa1:36

       No fruits?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       No.

   23. TPTom Papa1:37

       No-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Nothing.

   25. TPTom Papa1:38

       ... bread, of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       No. I had an olive. No, two olives.

   27. TPTom Papa1:41

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       And, uh, two pieces of chili mango the entire month.

   29. TPTom Papa1:45

       Two glorious olives. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       But the pieces of chili mango, I legitimately felt guilty. I love chili mango.
3. 2:23 – 4:36

   Why Joe tried carnivore: autoimmune issues, vitiligo improvements, and ‘junk’ as the real culprit

   1. TPTom Papa2:23

      Why'd you decide to do it in the first place?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      The, the diet?

   3. TPTom Papa2:26

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      Well, because-

   5. TPTom Papa2:27

      Wha-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      ... January is World Carnivore Month, and I know quite a few people that have done it-

   7. TPTom Papa2:32

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      ... that have had some serious results. And, um, uh, serious results with autoimmune issues too.

   9. TPTom Papa2:38

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       I, I have vitiligo, which is an autoimmune disease. It causes you to have these, uh, patches where you don't have pigment.

   11. TPTom Papa2:44

       Oh, really?

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       And this month, I had the best results that I've ever had with vitiligo. Like, spots filling in.

   13. TPTom Papa2:50

       It's transient? It's ... It comes and goes?

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       It comes and goes, depending upon how well I'm taking care of myself-

   15. TPTom Papa2:56

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       ... um, treatments and stuff like that. But this, this month it's, uh, I've had all these spots fill in at, like, a pretty rapid rate.

   17. TPTom Papa3:03

       Really?

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       People with eczema-

   19. TPTom Papa3:05

       Geez.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       ... have had spectacular results with it.

   21. TPTom Papa3:08

       Now, what ... If you were to suggest to someone who's ... wouldn't eat just meat, what percentage meat d- after going through this do you think you would?

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       I think the problem is not plants as much as the problem really is refined sugar, carbohydrates, and bullshit.

   23. TPTom Papa3:28

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       That's what I think. I think that's the problem.

   25. TPTom Papa3:30

       Does cheese count in that?

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       You can eat cheese. Yeah.

   27. TPTom Papa3:32

       You can eat cheese?

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       You can eat cheese. You can eat cheese.

   29. TPTom Papa3:34

       Really?

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       'Cause it's an animal product. Yeah.
4. 4:36 – 7:12

   Sourdough craft: YouTube baking series, bagels/pretzels, and the East Coast water myth

   1. TPTom Papa4:36

      I just posted a ... I just posted videos on how to bake the bread.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:40

      Oh.

   3. TPTom Papa4:40

      'Cause everyone's constantly asking for it. So I put a, a new series on (laughs) YouTube called Getting Baked with Tom. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:49

      (laughs)

   5. TPTom Papa4:49

      And it's just me (laughs) in my kitchen showing you how to make bread.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Ugh.

   7. TPTom Papa4:52

      And I realized when I was making it (laughs) , like, this is a long process. I have, like, four videos getting through one loaf of bread over multiple days. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:00

      Do y- ... Are you still doing the TV show? You were doing a TV show for a while.

   9. TPTom Papa5:03

      Yeah, and we're not.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       What was-

   11. TPTom Papa5:05

       Uh, uh, that was called Baked on the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Yeah.

   13. TPTom Papa5:07

       ... Food Network.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       How'd that go?

   15. TPTom Papa5:08

       It went great. People really liked it, but we're n- not making any more. I don't know why. So then I was like, "Well, why do I need the Food Network?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       You don't.

   17. TPTom Papa5:15

       "I can just keep making it and put it on YouTube."

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       It's so much better to put it on YouTube because-

   19. TPTom Papa5:19

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       ... people can access it anytime they want.

   21. TPTom Papa5:21

       Right. Y-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       This archaic system of waiting for Tuesday night at eight o'clock for a show-

   23. TPTom Papa5:26

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       ... it's like, "Get the fuck outta here."

   25. TPTom Papa5:27

       I mean, the ... Yeah. That's what ... It suddenly occurred to me. Like, "Wait, I've got cameras."

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       There you ... Look at you.

   27. TPTom Papa5:32

       "I've got friends."

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       You fucking-

   29. TPTom Papa5:34

       Oh, yeah. (laughs) There I am.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       ... cutie pie. Look at you.
5. 7:12 – 11:17

   Tap water, hard vs soft water, and the conversation derails into bathroom humor

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      Is it true that the water is different on the East Coast, in that is it a more mineral-rich water?

   2. TPTom Papa7:17

      That's what everybody says.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:18

      Wouldn't that just be pretty easy to add those elements to water from the West Coast?

   4. TPTom Papa7:22

      You would think. And some people say that they, like, import the water.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      Maybe that's why people are less flavorful over here. You know what I mean?

   6. TPTom Papa7:30

      (laughs) Yeah, they're not filled with all the...

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:31

      You know, I mean flavorful like Joey Diaz, like Mad Flavor, his, his nickname.

   8. TPTom Papa7:36

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      Like that, he's got flavor. You know what I'm saying?

   10. TPTom Papa7:39

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       He's got like a charisma.

   12. TPTom Papa7:40

       He's got, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       The thing-

   14. TPTom Papa7:41

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       ... that you don't, you don't get a lot of that out here.

   16. TPTom Papa7:44

       No, you don't. It's, yeah. It's a d- it's different. It's a...

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       It's different.

   18. TPTom Papa7:47

       It's a chill thing here.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Well, even the people that do have flavor out here, it's like they take their, their flavor goes up to seven.

   20. TPTom Papa7:53

       Right. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       You don't get tens.

   22. TPTom Papa7:55

       If you come from the... Right. You come from Jersey-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Yeah.

   24. TPTom Papa7:57

       ... and s- you got rusty pipes-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Yeah.

   26. TPTom Papa7:58

       ... you got rats swimming in it. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       (laughs)

   28. TPTom Papa8:01

       All generations of stuff in there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:03

       Right.

   30. TPTom Papa8:03

       There's, yeah. It's gonna add to it, for sure.
6. 11:17 – 18:42

   Normalization of violence and a deep dive into Comanche warfare and history

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:17

      I've often thought that about violence, 'cause I've seen so many people get beat up.

   2. TPTom Papa11:20

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      Like I'm so comfortable with people getting beat up.

   4. TPTom Papa11:23

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:24

      Like fights. Like if I see a fight somewhere, like a fight breaks out-

   6. TPTom Papa11:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:28

      ... my heart rate doesn't jack up. It doesn't, it doesn't go, "Oh my God. This is crazy. I can't believe they're fighting."

   8. TPTom Papa11:33

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:33

      It's like, "Hmm. Look at that, bad technique."

   10. TPTom Papa11:35

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:36

       "Dropping his hands. Look at this dude. Oh my God, his left leg's off the ground, he doesn't know what he's doing." (laughs)

   12. TPTom Papa11:40

       This is out in the world? Like it's just seeing two guys go at it. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       Yeah. That's what it... Seeing two guys go at it, I'm like, "Look at this terrible technique."

   14. TPTom Papa11:46

       And I'm running to the car. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       I can see everything coming a mile away. This is crazy.

   16. TPTom Papa11:49

       I th- I see society becoming unhinged again. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Yeah. I see-

   18. TPTom Papa11:53

       Get me out of here.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       It, it becomes normal, I think.

   20. TPTom Papa11:55

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       No- violence becomes normalized. Like, you know, I've been, uh, reading a lot about Native American cultures lately. I've gone through, like, five books on, uh, the Wild West-

   22. TPTom Papa12:05

       Oh, wow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       ... over the last few months. And one of the more disturbing and shocking things is the torture.

   24. TPTom Papa12:12

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       Is, uh, Native Americans would torture their victims. Like, you know-

   26. TPTom Papa12:16

       Oh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       Yeah. Particularly the Comanches. The Comanches would-

   28. TPTom Papa12:19

       Those were the badasses, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       They were the badasses.

   30. TPTom Papa12:22

       Yeah.
7. 18:42 – 23:37

   Newark, New Jersey: corruption, decline, hopes for revival, and community rebuilding

   1. TPTom Papa18:42

      And, uh, yeah, I shot it in Newark.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:45

      Newark?

   3. TPTom Papa18:45

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:46

      Really?

   5. TPTom Papa18:46

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:47

      Why Newark?

   7. TPTom Papa18:48

      I'm from Jersey. I'm a Jersey guy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      I was born in Newark.

   9. TPTom Papa18:51

      Yeah. And I just feel like ... I just have a real affection for all those great New Jersey cities that have been just destroyed by corruption.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TPTom Papa19:02

       Passaic, Patterson, Trenton, Newark. All these great places that were so thriving-

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Was that what destroyed them?

   13. TPTom Papa19:08

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       Corruption?

   15. TPTom Papa19:09

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Well, how did it go down?

   17. TPTom Papa19:10

       Political corruption.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:11

       You know?

   19. TPTom Papa19:11

       There was a t- there's a ton of money in New Jersey. There's a ton of money. People getting taxed like crazy. And then these politicians, multiple times, going to jail for abusing the system and getting busted and bribery and just ... It's just awful.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       Mm.

   21. TPTom Papa19:25

       Just really. And it just became real violent places and people started moving out and ... I really think it's gonna come back. They're just too great. It's like Asbury Park at the Jersey Shore.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       Mm-hmm.

   23. TPTom Papa19:35

       Used to drive through there and it was just bombed out with these great, big Victorian homes right on the beach. It's like, "How's this place not just kicking ass?" And the only way that it ever works, the gay community comes in and says, "Well, this is nice. And we're gonna fix it." (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       Is it the gay community that builds it up?

   25. TPTom Papa19:51

       Yeah, that's what they ... They, they saved-

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Asbury Park?

   27. TPTom Papa19:54

       Asbury Park. Absolutely.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       That's awesome.

   29. TPTom Papa19:56

       So I think it's gonna come back. So I just wanted to, in a little way, just shine a little light on Newark.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       So Asbury Park is basically a gay neighborhood now?
8. 23:37 – 30:51

   Helping kids early: gardens, inner-city opportunity gaps, and the homelessness surge

   1. TPTom Papa23:37

      My sister runs this, uh, nonprofit, I think I've talked to you about it, called City Green outta Clifton, and they, um, create all of these city gardens and f- um, take over farmlands, like, in Passaic and Paterson and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:50

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TPTom Papa23:50

      ... and it just really... Y- you bring these young kids in. She has, like, these learning gardens and these school programs where these kids from Paterson and Passaic come in, and they're just, like, these young little kids that don't understand, like, where vegetables come from.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:03

      Oh.

   5. TPTom Papa24:04

      Their, their parents, their, their families are blown apart, and they're just, like... They're as thirsty as the vegetables. (laughs) They are-

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:12

      Oh.

   7. TPTom Papa24:12

      ... they just want love and learning and wanna be-

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:14

      Right.

   9. TPTom Papa24:14

      ... useful, and they just... It's so inspiring to see, and if you c- if you can get kids at that age, like four, five, six, seven, if you can get them there, that's gonna change everything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:28

       Mm.

   11. TPTom Papa24:28

       If you can come in and help these kids out and give them s- a lifeline, that seems like where most of the change can happen.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       Yeah, if you can catch 'em when they're young-

   13. TPTom Papa24:38

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:38

       ... and give 'em a positive direction to go into. That's one of the things that I've talked about w- a bunch of times on the podcast, like, we spend so much money overseas to try to replace dictators and get rid of fucked up governments-

   15. TPTom Papa24:51

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       ... but we spend so little time going into inner cities and trying to give young kids a chance.

   17. TPTom Papa24:57

       I know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:58

       Give 'em opportunities, create community centers, do something where you give them an alternative to drugs and crime and gangs and, uh-

   19. TPTom Papa25:04

       It's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:04

       ... and all the shit that plagues those areas.

   21. TPTom Papa25:06

       That, that's where you... I really believe, and I've talked to other people that are really into philanthropy, and they all seem to think that that's the way to do it. What those-

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       Get 'em while they're young.

   23. TPTom Papa25:15

       Get 'em when they're young, but what, what the program is, is difficult, and you gotta try and get the parents involved with it and all that, but if you can do that, there's... I mean-

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       Well, that's the opportunity in sports.

   25. TPTom Papa25:24

       They're so inspiring when you see these kids then move up to high school and they're just, you know... Y- y- I grew up with kids that were, you know, okay and so lazy in comparison to these kids. They just suck everything in and wanna do well, and they're inspiring. These kids will just kick ass, would do whatever they have to do to learn, do whatever they have to do to get into college. They're just really, like, some of the best people you could possibly make.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       Mm.

   27. TPTom Papa25:52

       And, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       'Cause they're thankful that they had that opportunity, and they understand that they could've gone a, a, a bad way-

   29. TPTom Papa25:57

       Right, they-

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:58

       ... like a lot of people that they grew up with.
9. 30:51 – 37:20

   Comedy as a supportive tribe: The Store’s ‘soul’ and why places feel haunted

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:51

      It's one of the beautiful things about being a comic is that we have a real community.

   2. TPTom Papa30:55

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:55

      You know, I mean, we have a really beautiful supportive community of like-minded weirdos.

   4. TPTom Papa31:00

      It's r- (laughs) it's really true.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:02

      (laughs) Right? You know?

   6. TPTom Papa31:02

      It really is true. I know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:04

      Like, is there a place that other people-

   8. TPTom Papa31:06

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      ... get to go to that we get to go to, like the store?

   10. TPTom Papa31:08

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Where everybody's hugging everybody, everybody sees everybody.

   12. TPTom Papa31:11

       I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       So friendly.

   14. TPTom Papa31:12

       I was thinking about that. I was, I was at, uh, I was leaving, and everybody... Every time you leave a club, whether it's the Store or the Cellar in New York, uh, everyone's always asking, "Are you gonna be here tomorrow? You gonna be around? Where you going? Are you gonna be..." Like, everyone cares about... They wanna see you again, and they wanna know if you're coming back. (laughs) And I was like, "That's such a wonderful thing."

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Yeah.

   16. TPTom Papa31:33

       Th- this isn't an office. This isn't-

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       No. Yeah.

   18. TPTom Papa31:35

       This isn't people that are being made to see you every day.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       Right.

   20. TPTom Papa31:38

       But if y- if you're leaving the Store and we say goodnight, it's like, "Are, are you gonna be here tomorrow?" (laughs) You know what I mean?

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. TPTom Papa31:44

       It's like, "Are you coming back to The Playhouse?" (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Yeah, it's... 'Cause we're l-

   24. TPTom Papa31:47

       (laughs) Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       People are looking forward to that. We're real lucky in that regard, 'cause I don't think musicians have a spot like that where they get to go to.

   26. TPTom Papa31:53

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       They feel isolated if they're not with their band or their family.

   28. TPTom Papa31:57

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       You know, they're isolated.

   30. TPTom Papa31:58

       Yeah. And it's, and it's interesting because the... LA... It's... The Store's revival, I think, has given it a sense of place. 'Cause coming from New York, I felt when I was out here, like, oh, comedians just roll into The Laugh Factory and then they get in their car and they're gone.
10. 37:20 – 45:44

    Tom’s ghost evidence: Nest camera ‘intruder,’ ‘orb’ video, and the Roswell Rods debunk

    1. TPTom Papa37:20

       ... yeah, so there's definitely ghosts too. Did I ever show you the picture of my ghost?

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:23

       You have a picture of a ghost?

    3. TPTom Papa37:25

       Didn't I show you that?

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:26

       I don't-

    5. TPTom Papa37:26

       Did I ever show you that, Jamie?

    6. JRJoe Rogan37:28

       I don't think so.

    7. TPTom Papa37:28

       No?

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:29

       You have a ghost?

    9. TPTom Papa37:30

       I have a ghost.

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:31

        Where, at your house?

    11. TPTom Papa37:32

        I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but-

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        I don't know if you are. I don't remember this story.

    13. TPTom Papa37:36

        All right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan37:36

        But I, I'm-

    15. TPTom Papa37:37

        I got one of those Nest cameras.

    16. JRJoe Rogan37:39

        Oh, the Nest cameras captured a ghost?

    17. TPTom Papa37:41

        Those ... Yeah, and I was at The Comedy Works in Denver.

    18. JRJoe Rogan37:44

        Mm. And the ghost-

    19. TPTom Papa37:45

        And I-

    20. JRJoe Rogan37:45

        ... comes with you to Denver?

    21. TPTom Papa37:47

        I ... (laughs) He opens for me.

    22. JRJoe Rogan37:50

        (laughs)

    23. TPTom Papa37:50

        (laughs) You know, you want an opener that you can trust.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:52

        Yeah.

    25. TPTom Papa37:53

        And I got an alert on my email the first time, like if you, if it senses movement-

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:58

        Mm-hmm.

    27. TPTom Papa37:58

        ... it alerts you. And I open it up and there's my dog, Bella, just r- (laughs) in the thing. I'm like, "This is so cool." I'm just like, "I'm in, I'm in Denver, and I'm looking at my office." And I thought, "Wouldn't that be a cool beginning of a horror movie if you get an alert on your phone, and back at home, there's a guy just staring in the camera of like, like a-"

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        Ooh. Jesus Christ.

    29. TPTom Papa38:23

        Right? That's a good premise for a movie. So then I ... As I'm saying that to my opening act, who's, who wasn't a ghost, I get another alert, and then this comes up. Oh, yeah. You can see it up there, right past it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:39

        Okay. Why do you have a picture of Chris D'Elia on your wall?
11. 45:44 – 53:53

    Comedy Store hauntings and legendary stories (Kinison, Carl Aube)

    1. TPTom Papa45:44

       I love all of it. I love being in a spooky old house, a nice old church-

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Mm.

    3. TPTom Papa45:48

       ... theaters.

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       The Comedy Store Belly Room scares me sometimes.

    5. TPTom Papa45:51

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       I've taken people up there and I go, "Oh, just, just stand here and tell me if you don't feel weird."

    7. TPTom Papa45:55

       In the Belly Room?

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       There's something about the Belly Room. When you go above those stairs, it's just like there's something about that room, especially when there's no show going on-

    9. TPTom Papa46:01

       Uh-huh.

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:02

        ... it just feels like your body's telling you, "Get the fuck out of here."

    11. TPTom Papa46:05

        Right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:05

        "Let's get out of here."

    13. TPTom Papa46:06

        So what is that?

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:07

        You're a bitch. (laughs)

    15. TPTom Papa46:09

        (laughs) You're in the stairs, not me.

    16. JRJoe Rogan46:11

        I'm a bitch. Me, I'm a bitch. I'm talking to myself.

    17. TPTom Papa46:13

        With the back one, the p- off the main room, the dressing area, whenever you're back there by yourself-

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:18

        Oh, yeah.

    19. TPTom Papa46:18

        ... that's a weird feeling.

    20. JRJoe Rogan46:18

        That's a sketchy spot.

    21. TPTom Papa46:19

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        Yeah.

    23. TPTom Papa46:20

        That's a really weird feeling.

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:21

        Well-

    25. TPTom Papa46:21

        Isn't that where Kinison said he saw, like, a... Didn't he see, like, a quarter move in the air or something?

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:26

        He ate a pound of cocaine that night.

    27. TPTom Papa46:29

        (laughs)

    28. NANarrator46:30

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan46:30

        (laughs) That guy, that guy snorted so much coke, who the fuck knows what he saw?

    30. TPTom Papa46:33

        Oh, yeah, he's, he's not a good, uh-
12. 53:53 – 1:04:15

    Old media nostalgia: rabbit-ear TV, public access weirdos, and early talk radio icons

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:53

       '81, he was already on the fucking Tonight Show. I probably saw him on the Tonight Show. You know, that was one of the things that inspired me to do standup is watching Richard Jeni on the Tonight Show.

    2. TPTom Papa54:01

       Ah, Jeni, yeah.... killers.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:03

       Watching, watching comics do stand up on The Tonight Show is, like, one of my favorite things.

    4. TPTom Papa54:08

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:08

       When a, when a stand-up would come on, I'd be in my... I had a TV in my bedroom, like, a 12-inch TV-

    6. TPTom Papa54:13

       Uh-huh. Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:13

       ... and, uh, you know, we had rabbit ears.

    8. TPTom Papa54:16

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:16

       So I, I'd get whatever was on regular network, you know?

    10. TPTom Papa54:19

        Yeah, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        People don't even know what that is anymore.

    12. TPTom Papa54:21

        It's so crazy.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:22

        There's a s- folks, there's a signal-

    14. TPTom Papa54:24

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        ... that's in the sky, and you can pick up the TV.

    16. TPTom Papa54:27

        If you put tinfoil on the end of it-

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:29

        Yes.

    18. TPTom Papa54:29

        ... you'll get even better picture. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:29

        It's even better reception. You had to fuck with the antenna, remember? Like, you could stand there. I would stand there sometimes and hold it in a certain way. And you know when it was really great? When it snowed.

    20. TPTom Papa54:39

        When it... (laughs) Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        When it snowed out, you got great service. Like, you could s-

    22. TPTom Papa54:41

        You have the ionization or something.

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:42

        There was something, something h- it happens with cellphones too, you know?

    24. TPTom Papa54:45

        (laughs) Yeah? Oh, really?

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:46

        When it snows, how you get better cellphone reception. Yeah.

    26. TPTom Papa54:48

        Oh, interesting.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:49

        There's something going on with it.

    28. NANarrator54:50

        I still use one from time to time, because in LA, depending on where you are, there are a lot of free 4K HD stations that are going over just f- wherever you are.

    29. TPTom Papa54:59

        Through the air?

    30. NANarrator55:00

        Um, and I remember watching sporting events because that's the clearest it would be, because it'd be better than what you're getting streamed online.
13. 1:04:15 – 1:21:26

    Howard Stern, censorship fines, and the path from radio to podcasts

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:15

       But it's also censored. That's a real issue.

    2. TPTom Papa1:04:17

       Yeah, for sure. It's not perfect.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

       I mean, you, you... I mean, look, one thing that we all owe Howard Stern a huge debt of gratitude is that he was sued by the FCC.

    4. TPTom Papa1:04:29

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

       I mean, he-

    6. TPTom Papa1:04:30

       Like, legit.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:31

       Yeah.

    8. TPTom Papa1:04:31

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

       He was sued. He lost a shit load of money.

    10. TPTom Papa1:04:35

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

        The, the media company... What was the company that w- w- had his show?

    12. TPTom Papa1:04:39

        Uh...

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:40

        Whatever the company was.

    14. TPTom Papa1:04:41

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

        They were fined hundreds of thousands of dollars-

    16. TPTom Papa1:04:45

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

        ... for him, l- like, for almost nothing.

    18. TPTom Papa1:04:48

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

        This was during the Bush administration. They were going after him.

    20. TPTom Papa1:04:51

        Ah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:51

        Do you remember that?

    22. TPTom Papa1:04:52

        Yeah, I remember it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:53

        Dude, they went after him. They went after him hard to the point where it was scary.

    24. TPTom Papa1:04:56

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:56

        Where, like, you would, you would hear about it and you're like, "What? What?"

    26. TPTom Papa1:04:59

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:59

        And, and you would hear about the things that he got fined. See if you can find the things that Howard Stern got...

    28. NANarrator1:05:04

        Oh, the top five things he got fined for. Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:05

        Yeah, let's pull that up.

    30. TPTom Papa1:05:06

        Oh, really? (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:48:17