Joe Rogan Experience #1424 - Tom Papa

Joe Rogan 0:03 Tommy Papa.

Tom Papa 0:04 Joey.

Joe Rogan 0:05 What's going on, buddy? You looking at that, uh, tarantula hawk?

Tom Papa 0:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:08 Look at the size of that sucker, huh?

Tom Papa 0:10 I know. I f- I found one of those in my tub once.

Joe Rogan 0:11 That's straight from Maynard's farm. Maynard from, uh, Tool.

Tom Papa 0:15 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yeah, he sent me that.

Tom Papa 0:16 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 0:17 He found that fucking thing.

Tom Papa 0:19 (laughs) Jesus.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Yeah. He was explaining it to me and then he sent me one 'cause he's, uh-

Tom Papa 0:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 ... that's how he rolls.

Tom Papa 0:24 That's how he rolls. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs) Bro.

Tom Papa 0:27 They're the coolest.

Joe Rogan 0:28 You brought bread. You know I'm on this all meat diet.

Tom Papa 0:30 I know.

Joe Rogan 0:30 You decided to bring bread to fuck with me, man.

Tom Papa 0:31 But you have a family.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Oh.

Tom Papa 0:33 You have a family.

Joe Rogan 0:34 No, I, I ... I'll, I'll deviate a little bit. I'll deviate.

Tom Papa 0:36 You might wanna take a look at it later. It's a little wrinkly.

Joe Rogan 0:38 I deviated over this weekend.

Tom Papa 0:40 You did?

Joe Rogan 0:40 I went to ... Yeah. I went to Disneyland and, uh, I had ice cream.

Tom Papa 0:44 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 0:45 And then, and then Friday night ... Or Saturday night? Saturday night I had pasta. I had, uh-

Tom Papa 0:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:50 ... all kinds ... I had Girl Scout cookies. I ate a bunch of Girl Scout cookies. And dude, I'm telling you, Sunday my back was hurting.

Tom Papa 0:57 Really?

Joe Rogan 0:58 Mon- Monday my back was hurting. Everything was like ... My knee was hurting. All, all this, like, inflammation. It's crazy.

Tom Papa 1:03 Achy? Puffy?

Joe Rogan 1:04 Yeah. One day back ... Two days, 'cause today's Tuesday, so I ate carnivore Monday and Tuesday ... Everything's normal again.

Tom Papa 1:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:12 No, no more, no more aches and pains.

Tom Papa 1:14 So, you were full on meat for-

Joe Rogan 1:16 For a whole month.

Tom Papa 1:17 A whole month.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Yeah. But once-

Tom Papa 1:18 How many meals a day?

Joe Rogan 1:19 Two, usually.

Tom Papa 1:20 Two?

Joe Rogan 1:21 Yeah. Usually a-

Tom Papa 1:22 And just-

Joe Rogan 1:22 ... small meal around noon-

Tom Papa 1:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:25 ... after I work out, and then dinner.

Tom Papa 1:27 All right. And th- ... No eggs? No-

Joe Rogan 1:31 Yeah, I would eat eggs. Eggs and fish.

Tom Papa 1:33 Eggs, fish.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Eggs, fish, meat.

Tom Papa 1:34 Meat.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Just no carbohydrates.

Tom Papa 1:35 No vegetables at all?

Joe Rogan 1:36 No vegetables at all.

Tom Papa 1:36 No fruits?

Joe Rogan 1:37 No.

Tom Papa 1:37 No-

Joe Rogan 1:38 Nothing.

Tom Papa 1:38 ... bread, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:38 No. I had an olive. No, two olives.

Tom Papa 1:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:42 And, uh, two pieces of chili mango the entire month.

Tom Papa 1:45 Two glorious olives. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:46 But the pieces of chili mango, I legitimately felt guilty. I love chili mango.

Tom Papa 1:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:50 Don't you li-

Tom Papa 1:51 I've never had chili mango.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Oh my God, really?

Tom Papa 1:52 No.

Joe Rogan 1:53 It is one of the greatest creations.

Tom Papa 1:54 What is it?

Joe Rogan 1:55 Um, it's ch-

Tom Papa 1:55 Like a chili pepper mango p-

Joe Rogan 1:57 Like, dried mangoes, but with chili powder all over 'em.

Tom Papa 2:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:01 It's, uh, it's Mexican.

Tom Papa 2:03 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Big, big hit in the Mexican community.

Tom Papa 2:04 Dried?

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so good, dude.

Tom Papa 2:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:06 So good.

Tom Papa 2:07 Mm.

Joe Rogan 2:07 'Cause it's got the sweetness from the dried mangoes-

Tom Papa 2:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10 ... but then it's got the spiciness from the chili powder. Oh.

Tom Papa 2:13 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 2:13 (smacks lips)

Tom Papa 2:13 That's right up my alley.

Joe Rogan 2:14 It's (smacks lips) mwah!

Tom Papa 2:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:16 So good. But I ate two pieces. I was only gonna eat one. I was like, "Fuck it, let me have another one."

Tom Papa 2:20 (laughs) And you felt-

Joe Rogan 2:20 When I ate that second one, I, I'm like, "Oh no, what have I done?"

Tom Papa 2:23 Why'd you decide to do it in the first place?

Joe Rogan 2:25 The, the diet?

Tom Papa 2:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Well, because-

Tom Papa 2:27 Wha-

Joe Rogan 2:27 ... January is World Carnivore Month, and I know quite a few people that have done it-

Tom Papa 2:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:32 ... that have had some serious results. And, um, uh, serious results with autoimmune issues too.

Tom Papa 2:38 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:38 I, I have vitiligo, which is an autoimmune disease. It causes you to have these, uh, patches where you don't have pigment.

Tom Papa 2:44 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 2:44 And this month, I had the best results that I've ever had with vitiligo. Like, spots filling in.

Tom Papa 2:50 It's transient? It's ... It comes and goes?

Joe Rogan 2:53 It comes and goes, depending upon how well I'm taking care of myself-

Tom Papa 2:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:56 ... um, treatments and stuff like that. But this, this month it's, uh, I've had all these spots fill in at, like, a pretty rapid rate.

Tom Papa 3:03 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:04 People with eczema-

Tom Papa 3:05 Geez.

Joe Rogan 3:05 ... have had spectacular results with it.

Tom Papa 3:08 Now, what ... If you were to suggest to someone who's ... wouldn't eat just meat, what percentage meat d- after going through this do you think you would?

Joe Rogan 3:18 I think the problem is not plants as much as the problem really is refined sugar, carbohydrates, and bullshit.

Tom Papa 3:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:28 That's what I think. I think that's the problem.

Tom Papa 3:30 Does cheese count in that?

Joe Rogan 3:31 You can eat cheese. Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:32 You can eat cheese?

Joe Rogan 3:33 You can eat cheese. You can eat cheese.

Tom Papa 3:34 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:34 'Cause it's an animal product. Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:37 I think, for most people, the real problem is junk.

Tom Papa 3:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:40 You know?

Tom Papa 3:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Candy, sugar.

Tom Papa 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Pasta.

Tom Papa 3:45 Bread?

Joe Rogan 3:45 Glorious, glorious bread. Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:47 Even that bread?

Joe Rogan 3:49 That bread's probably better 'cause it has less gluten, 'cause you make sourdough bread.

Tom Papa 3:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 It's, um-

Tom Papa 3:54 Just flour-

Joe Rogan 3:55 It's healthier.

Tom Papa 3:55 ... water, salt, and yeast.

Joe Rogan 3:56 It's healthier for you. But I think-

Tom Papa 3:58 But still?

Joe Rogan 3:58 I think bread in general-

Tom Papa 4:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:00 ... just the, the idea of bread is, uh ... It's a human-created product, right?

Tom Papa 4:06 (smacks lips) True.

Joe Rogan 4:06 You got all that concentrated carbohydrates in a very weird form.

Tom Papa 4:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:10 It, it's like glue. I mean-

Tom Papa 4:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:12 ... look at, look what it, what it is when you're making the dough.

Tom Papa 4:14 Total glue. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:15 That eventually c- comes glue in your stomach.

Tom Papa 4:18 Yeah. I've actually thought that before. Like, the ... Did they, like, put together cities with this stuff-

Joe Rogan 4:22 (laughs)

Tom Papa 4:22 ... when they were starting out? 'Cause it's so ... If it, like, dries for a day it's hard-

Joe Rogan 4:27 Yeah.

Tom Papa 4:27 ... to get off the counter. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:28 Right. Yeah. Uh, well, you remember when you were a kid, you'd make paste?

Tom Papa 4:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:32 You know?

Tom Papa 4:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Like, it was basically flour and water-

Tom Papa 4:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:34 ... and you'd make, like, a paste. Pastes.

Tom Papa 4:36 I just posted a ... I just posted videos on how to bake the bread.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Oh.

Tom Papa 4:40 'Cause everyone's constantly asking for it. So I put a, a new series on (laughs) YouTube called Getting Baked with Tom. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:49 (laughs)

Tom Papa 4:49 And it's just me (laughs) in my kitchen showing you how to make bread.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Ugh.

Tom Papa 4:52 And I realized when I was making it (laughs) , like, this is a long process. I have, like, four videos getting through one loaf of bread over multiple days. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:00 Do y- ... Are you still doing the TV show? You were doing a TV show for a while.

Tom Papa 5:03 Yeah, and we're not.

Joe Rogan 5:04 What was-

Tom Papa 5:05 Uh, uh, that was called Baked on the-

Joe Rogan 5:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:07 ... Food Network.

Joe Rogan 5:07 How'd that go?

Tom Papa 5:08 It went great. People really liked it, but we're n- not making any more. I don't know why. So then I was like, "Well, why do I need the Food Network?"

Joe Rogan 5:15 You don't.

Tom Papa 5:15 "I can just keep making it and put it on YouTube."

Joe Rogan 5:17 It's so much better to put it on YouTube because-

Tom Papa 5:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:19 ... people can access it anytime they want.

Tom Papa 5:21 Right. Y-

Joe Rogan 5:22 This archaic system of waiting for Tuesday night at eight o'clock for a show-

Tom Papa 5:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:27 ... it's like, "Get the fuck outta here."

Tom Papa 5:27 I mean, the ... Yeah. That's what ... It suddenly occurred to me. Like, "Wait, I've got cameras."

Joe Rogan 5:31 There you ... Look at you.

Tom Papa 5:32 "I've got friends."

Joe Rogan 5:33 You fucking-

Tom Papa 5:34 Oh, yeah. (laughs) There I am.

Joe Rogan 5:35 ... cutie pie. Look at you.

Tom Papa 5:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Have you, uh, um-

Tom Papa 5:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:40 ... have y- have you varied your process at all since you first started doing this? Have you added any-

Tom Papa 5:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:46 ... yeah?

Tom Papa 5:46 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you get better at it.

Joe Rogan 5:48 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 5:48 It's just that ... You know, it's a, it's a skill. It's a thing.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Sure.

Tom Papa 5:51 And you start to ... It sounds corny, but you become one with it. Like-

Joe Rogan 5:55 Yeah.

Tom Papa 5:55 ... I know the weights of things just by holding it. And I know the timing of things, and I know-

Joe Rogan 6:00 Mmm.

Tom Papa 6:00 ... the temperature, what that's gonna do. And it just-

Joe Rogan 6:03 Mmm.

Tom Papa 6:03 ... it's very immersive. So, yeah, I started, uh ...... I started branching out. And then I also started making bagels and pretzels, and stuff like that, so-

Joe Rogan 6:12 Bagels? Now, don't you have to boil bagels?

Tom Papa 6:15 You do.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yeah.

Tom Papa 6:16 So I just take a, like a, um, like a Dutch oven just with water in it-

Joe Rogan 6:20 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 6:20 ... and boil it up and, uh, um, baking soda, and let that kind of, uh, bubble up a little bit.

Joe Rogan 6:26 But do you use a different kind of flour for the bagels?

Tom Papa 6:29 Uh, no, same flour.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Really?

Tom Papa 6:31 Same flour.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Sourdough flour?

Tom Papa 6:32 Yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 6:33 Sourdough bagels?

Tom Papa 6:34 ... and sourdoughs. Yeah, sour. That's the key. Like I, there's so many bad bagels in LA. And, you know, y- people always talk, "Oh, it's the water, it's this and that." And, and you know, I met, I met this... Vito's Pizza is a guy from Jersey h- here in LA that makes great pizza. And I'm like, "So what is it, the water with the dough?" He's like, "It's just n-, you know, it's just knowing what you're doing," he says. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:56 Hmm.

Tom Papa 6:56 And I keep running into these bad bagels. And I realized the flavor that was coming out of the bagels I'm making is because of the sourdough starter.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Mm.

Tom Papa 7:04 It has this different flavor. It's a deeper flavor. It's not just f- to use that as the yeast, it's to actually make it taste better.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Is it true that the water is different on the East Coast, in that is it a more mineral-rich water?

Tom Papa 7:17 That's what everybody says.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Wouldn't that just be pretty easy to add those elements to water from the West Coast?

Tom Papa 7:22 You would think. And some people say that they, like, import the water.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Maybe that's why people are less flavorful over here. You know what I mean?

Tom Papa 7:30 (laughs) Yeah, they're not filled with all the...

Joe Rogan 7:31 You know, I mean flavorful like Joey Diaz, like Mad Flavor, his, his nickname.

Tom Papa 7:36 Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Like that, he's got flavor. You know what I'm saying?

Tom Papa 7:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 He's got like a charisma.

Tom Papa 7:40 He's got, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:40 The thing-

Tom Papa 7:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:41 ... that you don't, you don't get a lot of that out here.

Tom Papa 7:44 No, you don't. It's, yeah. It's a d- it's different. It's a...

Joe Rogan 7:47 It's different.

Tom Papa 7:47 It's a chill thing here.

Joe Rogan 7:49 Well, even the people that do have flavor out here, it's like they take their, their flavor goes up to seven.

Tom Papa 7:53 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:54 You don't get tens.

Tom Papa 7:55 If you come from the... Right. You come from Jersey-

Joe Rogan 7:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:57 ... and s- you got rusty pipes-

Joe Rogan 7:58 Yeah.

Tom Papa 7:58 ... you got rats swimming in it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:01 (laughs)

Tom Papa 8:01 All generations of stuff in there.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Right.

Tom Papa 8:03 There's, yeah. It's gonna add to it, for sure.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Yeah. There's something, the water does taste different, though.

Tom Papa 8:10 (laughs) Yeah. It does.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Like m- Yeah. Like my manager, Jeff, he loves New York City tap water. He's always like-

Tom Papa 8:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:14 ... extolling the virtues of New York City tap water.

Tom Papa 8:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:17 I'm like, "Bro, you're crazy. I'm not drinking that."

Tom Papa 8:19 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 It just, any day now a hundred people could die from that shit.

Tom Papa 8:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:22 Like- (laughs) It's one of those things.

Tom Papa 8:24 Everybody's so proud about it, though. And I am too. When we go back with my family, like a- around Christmas. We were just there, and uh, we, we... (laughs) I'm like, "You just drink from the tap."

Joe Rogan 8:32 Ugh.

Tom Papa 8:33 And my kid just took a sip of it and she's like, "It tastes like carrots." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:39 (laughs)

Tom Papa 8:39 And she was right. She was really right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:42 It tastes like carrots? That's hilarious.

Tom Papa 8:42 Uh, yeah. It had that kind of like iron carroty flavor.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah. There's stuff in there you're not supposed to drink, probably.

Tom Papa 8:48 No. A lot of stuff.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Or maybe you are supposed to drink it, right?

Tom Papa 8:52 Well, yeah, maybe. Maybe-

Joe Rogan 8:53 Like minerals.

Tom Papa 8:54 ... less an- anemic, maybe, if you-

Joe Rogan 8:55 Well, minerals taste bad.

Tom Papa 8:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:58 But they're good for you.

Tom Papa 8:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Right?

Tom Papa 9:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Like hard water. When you get hard water, isn't that minerals?

Tom Papa 9:03 That's minerals.

Joe Rogan 9:04 Right.

Tom Papa 9:05 That, right. And it's great to shower in. Soft... You ever s- showered in soft water and the soap just never comes off?

Joe Rogan 9:11 That's true, right?

Tom Papa 9:11 After hours of sitting-

Joe Rogan 9:13 Why is that?

Tom Papa 9:13 I don't know. But in my parents' townhouse, you take a shower, you're ch- you're gonna have soap on you the rest of the day.

Joe Rogan 9:19 So did they have a filtration system? Is that what it is?

Tom Papa 9:23 I don't know. Yeah, I guess so.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Must be.

Tom Papa 9:24 Right. It must be something that takes the-

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah.

Tom Papa 9:27 ... minerals out.

Joe Rogan 9:28 So when you get like that residue on your shower head, that white residue-

Tom Papa 9:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:33 ... that's hard water, right?

Tom Papa 9:34 That's sperm.

Joe Rogan 9:35 Huh?

Tom Papa 9:36 Uh, very-

Joe Rogan 9:37 What?

Tom Papa 9:37 Fun fact. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:38 Oh, no. I am so busted. (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:43 (laughs) Your poor family.

Joe Rogan 9:44 That's one thing I've done maybe like three times my whole life is jerk off in the shower.

Tom Papa 9:48 (laughs) Three times?

Joe Rogan 9:49 Yeah. It's like never been my thing. I've only... I think I've probably done it just to say, "Well, here's some place I've never jerked off."

Tom Papa 9:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:57 (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:57 I can't go through the world-

Joe Rogan 9:59 Yeah. What am I doing here?

Tom Papa 9:59 ... with a place that hasn't been violated.

Joe Rogan 10:01 I've never jerked off in a tub.

Tom Papa 10:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:03 I'll tell you that. Never. It's just too hot in there.

Tom Papa 10:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:06 It's just too confusing and frustrating.

Tom Papa 10:07 Well, you gotta let the water down a little.

Joe Rogan 10:09 (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:09 Then you're just like, then you're being a weirdo.

Joe Rogan 10:12 (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:12 That's like those guys who lay in bed to masturbate, they bring a box of tissues and a towel.

Joe Rogan 10:16 (groans)

Tom Papa 10:16 And they-

Joe Rogan 10:17 Set up.

Tom Papa 10:17 Get the fuck out of here.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Like they're going on a date. (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:19 You're a pervert.

Joe Rogan 10:20 (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:20 What's wrong with you?

Joe Rogan 10:21 Right. Exactly.

Tom Papa 10:21 Jerk it off, it's supposed to be a maintenance thing. Like you're-

Joe Rogan 10:24 That's right.

Tom Papa 10:24 Like you just need it.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Y- yeah.

Tom Papa 10:25 Like let me just take care of this so I'm not obsessed.

Joe Rogan 10:27 (laughs) Right. Let me get a cup of coffee. Let me do that. (laughs)

Tom Papa 10:31 Let me get to the goddamn office.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Yeah. Jesus Christ. No.

Tom Papa 10:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:35 People that don't-

Tom Papa 10:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:36 ... masturbate at all, they've g- th- th- that's gotta occupy too much real estate in your head. Like there's no doubt about it, right?

Tom Papa 10:43 Y- w- who, well, I don't know. You could argue that the people that do it all the time (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 10:47 Well, no. You definitely can't argue that.

Tom Papa 10:48 ... it's a lot of real estate. Right?

Joe Rogan 10:49 Well, it becomes m- I think porn in particular-

Tom Papa 10:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:54 ... is, is a real issue for people. It does-

Tom Papa 10:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:56 ... become an obsession.

Tom Papa 10:57 Yes. Indeed.

Joe Rogan 10:58 You know?

Tom Papa 10:58 I remember a buddy of mine was like really into it in the early internet and he started looking at the world through a porn lens. It was everybo- every girl was-

Joe Rogan 11:08 Oh, no.

Tom Papa 11:08 ... to be approached like somebody in a... Yeah. It messed with his head.

Joe Rogan 11:12 Oh, that's not good.

Tom Papa 11:12 You get anything you watch f- for that amount of time-

Joe Rogan 11:15 Sure.

Tom Papa 11:15 ... right? Is gonna affect you.

Joe Rogan 11:17 I've often thought that about violence, 'cause I've seen so many people get beat up.

Tom Papa 11:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Like I'm so comfortable with people getting beat up.

Tom Papa 11:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Like fights. Like if I see a fight somewhere, like a fight breaks out-

Tom Papa 11:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:28 ... my heart rate doesn't jack up. It doesn't, it doesn't go, "Oh my God. This is crazy. I can't believe they're fighting."

Tom Papa 11:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:33 It's like, "Hmm. Look at that, bad technique."

Tom Papa 11:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:36 "Dropping his hands. Look at this dude. Oh my God, his left leg's off the ground, he doesn't know what he's doing." (laughs)

Tom Papa 11:40 This is out in the world? Like it's just seeing two guys go at it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yeah. That's what it... Seeing two guys go at it, I'm like, "Look at this terrible technique."

Tom Papa 11:46 And I'm running to the car. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:47 I can see everything coming a mile away. This is crazy.

Tom Papa 11:49 I th- I see society becoming unhinged again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:52 Yeah. I see-

Tom Papa 11:53 Get me out of here.

Joe Rogan 11:54 It, it becomes normal, I think.

Tom Papa 11:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:56 No- violence becomes normalized. Like, you know, I've been, uh, reading a lot about Native American cultures lately. I've gone through, like, five books on, uh, the Wild West-

Tom Papa 12:05 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 12:05 ... over the last few months. And one of the more disturbing and shocking things is the torture.

Tom Papa 12:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:12 Is, uh, Native Americans would torture their victims. Like, you know-

Tom Papa 12:16 Oh.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Yeah. Particularly the Comanches. The Comanches would-

Tom Papa 12:19 Those were the badasses, right?

Joe Rogan 12:21 They were the badasses.

Tom Papa 12:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:22 They were the reason... Until they developed a repeating, uh, uh, oh, a multiple shot revolver-

Tom Papa 12:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:27 ... that car- carried, uh, a chamber that had more than one bullet, they were running shit, because everybody else had muskets.

Tom Papa 12:33 Ah.

Joe Rogan 12:33 And they could shoot multiple arrows. You know, they could, they would... There's a... Have you ever heard of... There's a guy named Lars Anderson. Do you know who he is?

Tom Papa 12:40 Yeah, I've heard of him.

Joe Rogan 12:41 He's a famous, uh, YouTube famous, uh, archery expert.

Tom Papa 12:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:45 And he, uh, going through old texts and old artistic depictions, realized that the idea of a back quiver, where you would reach back to grab an arrow and then put it on the string and then pull it back and shoot the ar-

Tom Papa 12:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:59 ... is not accurate. That what they actually would do is put the arrows in between their fingers.

Tom Papa 13:03 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 13:04 And they had developed a technique where they would draw and pull, and draw and pull, and draw and pull.

Tom Papa 13:09 Just release one at a time.

Joe Rogan 13:10 Yes. And they would go from finger to finger.

Tom Papa 13:12 Ah.

Joe Rogan 13:12 So they literally could shoot an arrow a second.

Tom Papa 13:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:15 And so this guy, uh, he actually shows how he can do it, not just in theory.

Tom Papa 13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 You see how they're all... They're c- holding... I- in some of the depictions, you see that they're holding multiple arrows in their hands-

Tom Papa 13:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:27 ... instead of in a quiver. And so he figured out how to do it i- where he can shoot multiple arrows in a second. And, uh, see if you can get to him.

Tom Papa 13:36 Geez.

Joe Rogan 13:37 So, like, see, he's doing that. That's him pulling arrows out.

Tom Papa 13:41 And this is what the Comanche did?

Joe Rogan 13:42 Yes. And the Comanches were able to do that. And when they were able to do that, they were able to shoot the Am- American settlers and, uh, the US Army soldiers.

Tom Papa 13:52 And what, they w-

Joe Rogan 13:53 Multiple times before they could get off another bullet, because they had to pack a chamber.

Tom Papa 13:57 Oh, yeah. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 13:57 See how he's shooting all those arrows? 'Cause he keeps all the arrows in his fingers.

Tom Papa 14:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:02 So he tucks them in his finger, and then he just grabs it with the other hand, draws it back.

Tom Papa 14:07 So they were actually winning the war for-

Joe Rogan 14:09 Exactly.

Tom Papa 14:10 ... a while.

Joe Rogan 14:10 For hundreds of years.

Tom Papa 14:11 Hundreds of years?

Joe Rogan 14:11 For hundreds of years. And it was so crazy. What they would do is, the US government would give people w- allotments of land saying, "Hey, Oklahoma's a beautiful place. Why don't you guys move there? And you, well, you can get 1000 acres of land." They'd be like, "Whoa. Golly."

Tom Papa 14:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:26 "I'm gonna take my family and move to Oklahoma." And what they were basically using them as cannon fodder for the Comanches. So they would send these people in, they would just get slaughtered. (smoking puffing)

Tom Papa 14:34 Why would they-

Joe Rogan 14:35 And, yeah, because they wanted to try to figure out how to settle this land.

Tom Papa 14:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:40 And they wanted these people to kind of fight the battles with the Comanches, and then the soldiers eventually would move in and then they just set up forts.

Tom Papa 14:47 Wow. So they were just put out as bait?

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yes. They were put out...

Tom Papa 14:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:50 I mean, it's, it's horrific. Whether it's conscious or unconscious or whether it was, you know, semi-aware-

Tom Papa 14:55 Well-

Joe Rogan 14:55 ... or, you know, when they... "Maybe these people could fix it." I don't kno-

Tom Papa 14:57 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 14:57 But they de- definitely did get slaughtered.

Tom Papa 14:59 What part of the country were the Comanche? Is that-

Joe Rogan 15:01 Oklahoma, Texas, a lot of sections of the West.

Tom Papa 15:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 15:05 They, th- they ran things.

Tom Papa 15:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 And they were ac-

Tom Papa 15:08 Thousands?

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah. There was, uh, they were incredibly nomadic. They rode horses. They were fantastic with horses. Um, they, they had the most horses.

Tom Papa 15:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Which is one of the reasons why they were the most powerful tribe.

Tom Papa 15:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:19 And they, all they ate was meat. They would eat buffalo.

Tom Papa 15:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Bu- mostly. And, you know, occasionally berries and stuff like that. But mostly their diet consisted of buffalo.

Tom Papa 15:27 Ah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 So they would follow the buffalo and then kill all the other Native Americans they encountered.

Tom Papa 15:32 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 15:32 Kill all the settlers they encountered. Oh, they were ruthless.

Tom Papa 15:35 Geez.

Joe Rogan 15:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 15:36 So the other Native Americans-

Joe Rogan 15:38 But the torture, the torture is insane.

Tom Papa 15:39 Aye yee.

Joe Rogan 15:40 Cutting people's arms and legs off and throwing them on a fire while they're still alive, shit like that.

Tom Papa 15:44 Geez. So they enjoyed it?

Joe Rogan 15:46 Yeah. I mean, in this, uh, book that I read, um, Empire of the Summer Moon, is all about the Comanches. This guy, S.G. Gwynn was in here and he kind of explained how he found out about it when he moved to Texas. And he moved to Texas and started d- delving into the history of the Comanches and the war-

Tom Papa 16:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:02 ... that the Texas Rangers... The Texas Rangers, the original Texas Rangers were created to combat the Comanches.

Tom Papa 16:08 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:08 They were these super badass soldiers that dressed like Indians.

Tom Papa 16:12 Right. Ah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 And they, and they, they realized they had to learn how to fight on horses, 'cause the Comanches actually shot arrows on horses, whereas the original US soldiers would get off the horse to shoot a shot.

Tom Papa 16:23 Right. And-

Joe Rogan 16:23 And it just was ineffective.

Tom Papa 16:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:24 And the Comanches would run up on them and fill them up with arrows. (arrow shooting sound)

Tom Papa 16:28 (laughs) Yeah. Fill them up with arrows.

Joe Rogan 16:28 And kill everybody. It was crazy.

Tom Papa 16:30 Keep that...

Joe Rogan 16:30 They would kidnap all these white settlers and d- take their babies and take their chil- kill their babies.

Tom Papa 16:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Take their children, incorporate their children into the tribes, rape the women, torture and kill the men.

Tom Papa 16:40 Wow. But they were nomadic, they didn't-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 16:42 They, so they didn't settle, create little towns?

Joe Rogan 16:44 Nope, only tents.

Tom Papa 16:45 They were just always moving around?

Joe Rogan 16:46 Only tents, and they followed the buffalo.

Tom Papa 16:48 Oh, yeah. So just like seasons they would stay in an area for a little bit then move on.

Joe Rogan 16:52 They would just follow the buffalo.

Tom Papa 16:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Wherever the buffalo were, that's where they would go.

Tom Papa 16:55 Geez.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Yeah. But the, the thing about it is, it's to me so strange that cultures can become comfortable with extreme violence. Like very comfortable.

Tom Papa 17:05 Yeah. Right. Well, anything that b- yeah, you're just exposed to all the time. You know, we're-

Joe Rogan 17:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 17:10 ... a pretty violent society. Right? We see a lot of violent images all the time.

Joe Rogan 17:15 We see it, but in terms of like day-to-day violence-

Tom Papa 17:19 No.

Joe Rogan 17:19 ... compared to just a couple of hundred years ago-

Tom Papa 17:21 No.

Joe Rogan 17:21 It's a pretty radical drop off.

Tom Papa 17:23 Yeah. You'd have to choose to digest it now.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah, you'd have to choose.

Tom Papa 17:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:26 But a lot of people do choose.

Tom Papa 17:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:28 You know?

Tom Papa 17:28 But also you can put yourself in a little bubble and-

Joe Rogan 17:31 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 17:31 ... feel like it doesn't really exist.

Joe Rogan 17:33 Or you can get into a murder bubble, just like some people get into a porn bubble.

Tom Papa 17:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:36 You could just get into, like, watching people get slaughtered all day long.

Tom Papa 17:40 Yeah. Right. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 17:40 There's plenty of videos.

Tom Papa 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:43 You know?

Tom Papa 17:43 Nah. I'm gonna watch other things.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Yeah. Bread.

Tom Papa 17:46 ... my, my Netflix special.

Joe Rogan 17:48 (laughs) Oh, that's next. Comes out tonight, right? At midnight? Is that what it is?

Tom Papa 17:51 Uh, last midnight. Tonight.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Oh, last night.

Tom Papa 17:53 It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 17:53 So it's out right now.

Tom Papa 17:54 It's out. It's out.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Oh my Jesus.

Tom Papa 17:56 It's done. It's out. The people-

Joe Rogan 17:57 Are you happy with it?

Tom Papa 17:58 I am happy with it.

Joe Rogan 17:59 How many years did you work on it?

Tom Papa 18:00 Two and a half.

Joe Rogan 18:01 That's a good number.

Tom Papa 18:02 Yeah. Close to three.

Joe Rogan 18:04 Yeah. That's a good number.

Tom Papa 18:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:05 That seems like, to polish an act, get it tight, p- tour with it a little bit, and then almost get to the point where you're done with it.

Tom Papa 18:12 Yeah, almost sick of it.

Joe Rogan 18:14 Yeah.

Tom Papa 18:14 Where something started ... That's how I can tell when jokes start to peel off-

Joe Rogan 18:18 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 18:18 ... 'cause you're not, uh, you're done with them.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Enthusiastic.

Tom Papa 18:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 18:21 And then other ones ... Do you ever h- ... Do you ever have when you get close to taping, all of a sudden something new pops in and makes the lineup-

Joe Rogan 18:28 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 18:29 ... last minute?

Joe Rogan 18:30 Oh, of course.

Tom Papa 18:30 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah. Of course, yeah.

Tom Papa 18:31 Other stuff you've been working on and really trying to perfect it for a couple of years, and then all of a sudden (laughs) something shows up, like, last week that's a killer.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Yeah.

Tom Papa 18:40 I think it's just, you're in that space.

Joe Rogan 18:41 Yeah.

Tom Papa 18:42 And, uh, yeah, I shot it in Newark.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Newark?

Tom Papa 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Really?

Tom Papa 18:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 Why Newark?

Tom Papa 18:48 I'm from Jersey. I'm a Jersey guy.

Joe Rogan 18:50 I was born in Newark.

Tom Papa 18:51 Yeah. And I just feel like ... I just have a real affection for all those great New Jersey cities that have been just destroyed by corruption.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 19:02 Passaic, Patterson, Trenton, Newark. All these great places that were so thriving-

Joe Rogan 19:06 Was that what destroyed them?

Tom Papa 19:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Corruption?

Tom Papa 19:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Well, how did it go down?

Tom Papa 19:10 Political corruption.

Joe Rogan 19:11 You know?

Tom Papa 19:11 There was a t- there's a ton of money in New Jersey. There's a ton of money. People getting taxed like crazy. And then these politicians, multiple times, going to jail for abusing the system and getting busted and bribery and just ... It's just awful.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Mm.

Tom Papa 19:25 Just really. And it just became real violent places and people started moving out and ... I really think it's gonna come back. They're just too great. It's like Asbury Park at the Jersey Shore.

Joe Rogan 19:34 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 19:35 Used to drive through there and it was just bombed out with these great, big Victorian homes right on the beach. It's like, "How's this place not just kicking ass?" And the only way that it ever works, the gay community comes in and says, "Well, this is nice. And we're gonna fix it." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:50 Is it the gay community that builds it up?

Tom Papa 19:51 Yeah, that's what they ... They, they saved-

Joe Rogan 19:53 Asbury Park?

Tom Papa 19:54 Asbury Park. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 19:55 That's awesome.

Tom Papa 19:56 So I think it's gonna come back. So I just wanted to, in a little way, just shine a little light on Newark.

Joe Rogan 20:02 So Asbury Park is basically a gay neighborhood now?

Tom Papa 20:04 I don't know (laughs) if it's a gay neighborhood, but it's a good, healthy gay population.

Joe Rogan 20:08 And so, they buy these Victorians that are on the beach. And are they valuable now?

Tom Papa 20:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Really? Wow, that's-

Tom Papa 20:14 The real estate's really come up there.

Joe Rogan 20:15 Only makes sense, right? There's only so much beachfront property.

Tom Papa 20:19 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 20:19 I mean, look at Mal- Malibu's preposterous. I, I've looked at houses in Malibu that are on the beach-

Tom Papa 20:24 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 20:24 ... and it's, it's hilarious.

Tom Papa 20:25 Yeah. R- f- like, cra- like m- it doesn't make sense money.

Joe Rogan 20:29 Millions and millions of dollars for a house that looks like it cost 150,000 bucks.

Tom Papa 20:32 Yeah (laughs) I know. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:34 Yeah, that in, in North Carolina probably would.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:37 Right?

Joe Rogan 20:37 And should.

Tom Papa 20:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:39 No, it's crazy. But there's, so, it's limited. There's not that much bea- especially in that area. You know, the Jersey Shore-

Joe Rogan 20:45 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 20:45 ... the whole coast. It's like Manhattan. It's the same thing.

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:49 But it's, uh ... But I do feel like there's s- ... I mean, you look back and you read all these books from, uh, like Philip Roth and stuff. He was from Newark and it was just this thriving place with industry and people living their lives and then it became this real darkness. And, uh, it feels like, uh ... I, I'm j- hopeful that it ... The population will succeed in turning them over.

Joe Rogan 21:15 Hmm. Um, so what was the theater that you went to?

Tom Papa 21:18 The performing arts center? Uh, the Victoria Theater in ... It's like this performing arts theater there. It's beautiful. Great space. It's, uh ... Just a little downtown. It's where, um, uh, the Devils are playing and, uh, the Nets before they moved and, uh, it's like this one square block. I mean, you can get on a train, you're in Manhattan in 10 minutes.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Mm-hmm. Right.

Tom Papa 21:41 So it was this great theater. I did two shows there. I had performed there before.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Is Northern getting a comeback going?

Tom Papa 21:44 I got a lot of fans in Jersey. Yeah, it's slowly-

Joe Rogan 21:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:47 You know, parts of it ... You know, it, it's tough. You know, two steps forward and two steps back, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:52 We've done some, uh, UFC fights there.

Tom Papa 21:54 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 21:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 21:55 Oh, right, 'cause you couldn't do New York. Right?

Joe Rogan 21:57 Yes. For a long time.

Tom Papa 21:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Yeah, so we used to do it in, in, in Newark.

Tom Papa 22:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Yeah.

Tom Papa 22:01 You know, there's beautiful downtown area. Really great, beautiful Whole Foods, a Nike.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Really?

Tom Papa 22:06 Yeah. Beautiful and-

Joe Rogan 22:07 Newark?

Tom Papa 22:07 Yeah, beautiful. And then, you know, you get it to the outer r- ... You go a couple more blocks, it's a different story.

Joe Rogan 22:13 When I first moved to New York, I stayed with my grandfather in Newark.

Tom Papa 22:18 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 22:18 My, my grandfather bought a house in Newark in, like, the early ... Well, I guess it was probably the '40s.

Tom Papa 22:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:25 He bought a house there and stayed there until he died.

Tom Papa 22:28 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 22:28 North 9th Street. And it was originally an Italian neighborhood and then it slowly became a bunch of different kinds of neighborhoods. They did a thing called block busting. You know what that is?

Tom Papa 22:38 What's that? No.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Where real estate agents would come in and say, "Hey, Black people are moving into this neighborhood. You gotta sell now or your real estate value's gonna drop."

Tom Papa 22:46 What?

Joe Rogan 22:46 Yeah. And my grandfather was like, "Fuck you. I like Black people. Get outta here."

Tom Papa 22:50 (laughs) Right (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 So he's, he stayed there forever.

Tom Papa 22:52 Yeah (laughs) why would I move?

Joe Rogan 22:53 He wouldn't move, man. But the neighborhood changed from an all-Italian neighborhood to a Black neighborhood and then, uh, and then it eventually became a bunch of different immigrants.

Tom Papa 23:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:03 And then when I stayed there in, um ... This was probably '88, '91, '90, '91, '92 was when I-

Tom Papa 23:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:11 ... I lived there. It was bad, man.

Tom Papa 23:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Nextdoor neighbor got his, um, house, uh, broken into by the cops. They battering rammed his front door-

Tom Papa 23:18 Sh-

Joe Rogan 23:18 ... 'cause he was selling crack.

Tom Papa 23:19 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Yeah. And the-

Tom Papa 23:20 The crack epidemic.

Joe Rogan 23:21 My grandfather knew that kid from the time he was little.

Tom Papa 23:24 Ah, it's terrible.

Joe Rogan 23:25 And then, you know, he's watching this kid grow up to become a drug dealer.

Tom Papa 23:28 God.

Joe Rogan 23:29 He had, like, a nice Audi that he kept parked in the driveway.

Tom Papa 23:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Behind a gate.

Tom Papa 23:34 Geez.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Yeah, he was spending all that crack money-

Tom Papa 23:37 My sister runs this, uh, nonprofit, I think I've talked to you about it, called City Green outta Clifton, and they, um, create all of these city gardens and f- um, take over farmlands, like, in Passaic and Paterson and-

Joe Rogan 23:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 23:50 ... and it just really... Y- you bring these young kids in. She has, like, these learning gardens and these school programs where these kids from Paterson and Passaic come in, and they're just, like, these young little kids that don't understand, like, where vegetables come from.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Oh.

Tom Papa 24:04 Their, their parents, their, their families are blown apart, and they're just, like... They're as thirsty as the vegetables. (laughs) They are-

Joe Rogan 24:12 Oh.

Tom Papa 24:12 ... they just want love and learning and wanna be-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Right.

Tom Papa 24:14 ... useful, and they just... It's so inspiring to see, and if you c- if you can get kids at that age, like four, five, six, seven, if you can get them there, that's gonna change everything.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Mm.

Tom Papa 24:28 If you can come in and help these kids out and give them s- a lifeline, that seems like where most of the change can happen.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah, if you can catch 'em when they're young-

Tom Papa 24:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:38 ... and give 'em a positive direction to go into. That's one of the things that I've talked about w- a bunch of times on the podcast, like, we spend so much money overseas to try to replace dictators and get rid of fucked up governments-

Tom Papa 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:51 ... but we spend so little time going into inner cities and trying to give young kids a chance.

Tom Papa 24:57 I know.

Joe Rogan 24:58 Give 'em opportunities, create community centers, do something where you give them an alternative to drugs and crime and gangs and, uh-

Tom Papa 25:04 It's-

Joe Rogan 25:04 ... and all the shit that plagues those areas.

Tom Papa 25:06 That, that's where you... I really believe, and I've talked to other people that are really into philanthropy, and they all seem to think that that's the way to do it. What those-

Joe Rogan 25:14 Get 'em while they're young.

Tom Papa 25:15 Get 'em when they're young, but what, what the program is, is difficult, and you gotta try and get the parents involved with it and all that, but if you can do that, there's... I mean-

Joe Rogan 25:23 Well, that's the opportunity in sports.

Tom Papa 25:24 They're so inspiring when you see these kids then move up to high school and they're just, you know... Y- y- I grew up with kids that were, you know, okay and so lazy in comparison to these kids. They just suck everything in and wanna do well, and they're inspiring. These kids will just kick ass, would do whatever they have to do to learn, do whatever they have to do to get into college. They're just really, like, some of the best people you could possibly make.

Joe Rogan 25:51 Mm.

Tom Papa 25:52 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:52 'Cause they're thankful that they had that opportunity, and they understand that they could've gone a, a, a bad way-

Tom Papa 25:57 Right, they-

Joe Rogan 25:58 ... like a lot of people that they grew up with.

Tom Papa 25:59 Yeah, and they see in their neighborhoods, you know, there's, there's a, there's trouble. This, this is not... This isn't, uh, this isn't guaranteed that things are going to go right for me.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 26:09 Right?

Joe Rogan 26:10 It's amazing that there hasn't been more time and effort invested by the government to try to clean up these terrible neighborhoods. It's just not immediately profitable, and I guess every politician has four m- years in office.

Tom Papa 26:22 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's really... I, I know. It's, like, uh... I did a, uh, I did a fundraiser in Newark. This is where I got the idea to do the special there. I did a fundraiser. It wasn't a fundraiser, it was, um, like, a, uh, awards dinner kinda thing for this prominent lawyer, and all these politicians were there. And they all seemed like, you know, people with good intentions and whatever, and then you walk out into, into the city, and, on the way to the airport, and it's like, "Man, this is... Some of these areas, it's like, how... This is..." Those people were nice, but it s- takes, it'll take thousands of those people-

Joe Rogan 26:59 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 26:59 ... to really all work on that problem. Like-

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yeah.

Tom Papa 27:01 ... I don't know how you do it. And, you know-

Joe Rogan 27:04 How do you do it?

Tom Papa 27:04 ... when I travel around touring, and I'm f- sure you see it too, in every city, all of a sudden there's these tent cities just popping up-

Joe Rogan 27:12 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 27:12 ... with homeless people, that wasn't around when I started touring. Like, in the middle of New Orleans, in the middle of every city, San Francisco, uh, the Upper Midwest, you know, there's just all of a sudden these camps of homeless people.

Joe Rogan 27:27 Yeah.

Tom Papa 27:27 That did not exist before.

Joe Rogan 27:29 No, Los Angeles is staggering. I mean, there's basically a small city inside the city.

Tom Papa 27:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:35 H- there's, right now, they're bordering on 70,000 people.

Tom Papa 27:38 70,000.

Joe Rogan 27:39 70,000 people live on the streets in Los Angeles.

Tom Papa 27:41 Just in LA.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Just in LA, and because LA never really gets cold-

Tom Papa 27:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:45 ... and only rains ten times a year-

Tom Papa 27:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:46 ... it's really not that hard. If you have a tent-

Tom Papa 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 ... you can live outside.

Tom Papa 27:50 Yeah, and they do. I mean, they-

Joe Rogan 27:51 Yeah, they do.

Tom Papa 27:52 Full-on tents, and they s- string 'em all together.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 27:55 And-

Joe Rogan 27:55 They create little villages.

Tom Papa 27:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 There's, uh... The underpasses, like, uh, all throughout LA now are filled with tents.

Tom Papa 28:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:03 No, it's incredible.

Joe Rogan 28:04 It's fucking weird.

Tom Papa 28:04 How much of it is... How much of it... I have no idea, but how much of it is mental illness and how-

Joe Rogan 28:09 A lot.

Tom Papa 28:09 ... much of it is just economic?

Joe Rogan 28:11 Um, I'm sure it's all the above.

Tom Papa 28:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 It's a bunch of different factors, but mental-

Tom Papa 28:15 You think it's mostly, if you h- your instinct?

Joe Rogan 28:17 Well, mental illness, for sure, was what started out the wave of homeless people during the Reagan administration, 'cause they changed the criteria for people being able to, you know, be confined to a mental health institute.

Tom Papa 28:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:29 They l- they released a bunch of people. They changed what, what constituted you being mentally ill.

Tom Papa 28:34 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 28:35 Whereas, before, there were asylums.

Tom Papa 28:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:36 People could get help and counseling and maybe even get out, um, but now, they just kick those people out, or then, they just kicked those people out.

Tom Papa 28:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:45 And w- I remember it, because, uh... How old are you?

Tom Papa 28:48 I'm 50.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Yeah, I'm a little older than you. I'm 52. So when I was, uh-

Tom Papa 28:52 I'm really 52.

Joe Rogan 28:53 (laughs) When I was, uh... I guess I was, like, in high school or right after high school-

Tom Papa 29:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:00 ... when Reagan was in office, all that shit was going down and people were freaking out, because all of a sudden, there was homeless people wandering around the street.

Tom Papa 29:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:06 And that, that didn't exist before, and people were really angry. They were like, "These are mentally ill people."

Tom Papa 29:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:11 "And now they're just wander..." And, you know, I lived in Boston, and it was fucking really cold.

Tom Papa 29:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 And to see people wandering around, uh, Boston.

Tom Papa 29:19 There's definitely always a s- uh, a large portion of people that truly, truly need help.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Yeah.

Tom Papa 29:24 Right?

Joe Rogan 29:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 29:25 It's not just that, you know, th- they're lazy or don't just go get a job.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Oh, no.

Tom Papa 29:28 Like, there's m- major issues, and there needs to be some kind of a safety net to help.... these people, and you could just see it. I mean, it's so weird to be... It's, uh, it's popping up in LA in areas that it never was before.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Yeah. And even, what- what is lazy, right? Like, uh, how many people that are, uh, la- that lazy that they're homeless? How many people are mentally ill? There's gotta be a lot of them.

Tom Papa 29:51 A lot.

Joe Rogan 29:52 You know-

Tom Papa 29:52 A lot.

Joe Rogan 29:53 ... mental illness is a weird thing, right? Because it's got such a stigma attached to it.

Tom Papa 29:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:57 But I think there... What is wellness, right? What's mental wellness? Maintaining a beautiful state of mind, a peaceful, relaxed, calm, thankful, filled with gratitude, uh, loved, happy. That's healthy, right?

Tom Papa 30:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:14 Everyone experiences some mental illness, just like everyone experiences some physical illness.

Tom Papa 30:18 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 30:18 But it's a matter of whether or not it becomes chronic and prolonged, and what it does to you and the people around you. And some people have it way worse.

Tom Papa 30:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 Just like some people have way worse physical health, right?

Tom Papa 30:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Some people have way worse mental health. In some people, it deteriorates.

Tom Papa 30:34 And sometimes you could be, like, on the right track, and some stuff happens to you, and within six months, you're in trouble. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:42 That can h- yeah.

Tom Papa 30:42 You know what I mean? It's a b- it's a, it's a tricky situation-

Joe Rogan 30:46 Yeah.

Tom Papa 30:46 ... to kinda maintain.

Joe Rogan 30:48 We're a lot more fragile than we like to pretend we are.

Tom Papa 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 It's one of the beautiful things about being a comic is that we have a real community.

Tom Papa 30:55 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 30:55 You know, I mean, we have a really beautiful supportive community of like-minded weirdos.

Tom Papa 31:00 It's r- (laughs) it's really true.

Joe Rogan 31:02 (laughs) Right? You know?

Tom Papa 31:02 It really is true. I know.

Joe Rogan 31:04 Like, is there a place that other people-

Tom Papa 31:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:06 ... get to go to that we get to go to, like the store?

Tom Papa 31:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Where everybody's hugging everybody, everybody sees everybody.

Tom Papa 31:11 I know.

Joe Rogan 31:11 So friendly.

Tom Papa 31:12 I was thinking about that. I was, I was at, uh, I was leaving, and everybody... Every time you leave a club, whether it's the Store or the Cellar in New York, uh, everyone's always asking, "Are you gonna be here tomorrow? You gonna be around? Where you going? Are you gonna be..." Like, everyone cares about... They wanna see you again, and they wanna know if you're coming back. (laughs) And I was like, "That's such a wonderful thing."

Joe Rogan 31:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 31:33 Th- this isn't an office. This isn't-

Joe Rogan 31:35 No. Yeah.

Tom Papa 31:35 This isn't people that are being made to see you every day.

Joe Rogan 31:38 Right.

Tom Papa 31:38 But if y- if you're leaving the Store and we say goodnight, it's like, "Are, are you gonna be here tomorrow?" (laughs) You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 31:44 Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Papa 31:44 It's like, "Are you coming back to The Playhouse?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:45 Yeah, it's... 'Cause we're l-

Tom Papa 31:47 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 People are looking forward to that. We're real lucky in that regard, 'cause I don't think musicians have a spot like that where they get to go to.

Tom Papa 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 They feel isolated if they're not with their band or their family.

Tom Papa 31:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:57 You know, they're isolated.

Tom Papa 31:58 Yeah. And it's, and it's interesting because the... LA... It's... The Store's revival, I think, has given it a sense of place. 'Cause coming from New York, I felt when I was out here, like, oh, comedians just roll into The Laugh Factory and then they get in their car and they're gone.

Joe Rogan 32:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:13 Like, there's no...

Joe Rogan 32:14 Hangout.

Tom Papa 32:14 Yeah, there's nothing there.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:15 And the Improv had it for a while.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:18 Then they messed with the bar and they moved it to the other side.

Joe Rogan 32:20 They ruined it.

Tom Papa 32:21 And that was such a great place.

Joe Rogan 32:22 They ruined it.

Tom Papa 32:23 I know, and it's, it hasn't got its mojo back.

Joe Rogan 32:25 How do you get a mojo back?

Tom Papa 32:27 (laughs) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Have you ever seen that photo of the Improv where it's Jay Leno, he's got a pipe?

Tom Papa 32:32 Yeah. (laughs) He had his tweed jacket.

Joe Rogan 32:33 And he's hanging out in the bar, and everyone's in the bar. The bar is packed with people.

Tom Papa 32:37 Packed, I know.

Joe Rogan 32:38 And it's this weird sort of photograph of, you know, capturing time.

Tom Papa 32:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 And that was what it was like when I first started coming here. There was basically two schools. There was the Improv school, and then there was The Comedy Store school.

Tom Papa 32:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:52 And then there was... The Laugh Factory s- was just, like, the stepchild.

Tom Papa 32:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:57 It was weird, right?

Tom Papa 32:58 Yeah. (laughs) It's always a little weird.

Joe Rogan 32:59 'Cause Jamie used to work at The Comedy Store. He was a dishwasher there, and then he left to start his own comedy club.

Tom Papa 33:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:05 But you would... You know, the industry people would go to the Improv. There was all, like-

Tom Papa 33:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:09 ... the people that were angling to get on sitcoms-

Tom Papa 33:12 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:13 ... and the people that were squeaky clean.

Tom Papa 33:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:15 And, and then the, the deranged weirdos-

Tom Papa 33:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:18 ... were all hanging around at The Store.

Tom Papa 33:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:20 And-

Tom Papa 33:20 'Cause it's comfortable there for them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:21 But the new wave, the new revival of The Store, is very different.

Tom Papa 33:25 Yeah. Totally different.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Very different.

Tom Papa 33:27 But it still has that... Shadows of that.

Joe Rogan 33:31 There's some, some derangement.

Tom Papa 33:32 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 33:33 There's still some derangement there.

Tom Papa 33:34 Yeah, it's in the walls.

Joe Rogan 33:35 Yeah. Oh, yeah-

Tom Papa 33:35 It's baked in the carpets.

Joe Rogan 33:36 ... you can't take it out.

Tom Papa 33:36 Like, even, like... (laughs) Yeah. You can't, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:40 You would never be able to build a place like that.

Tom Papa 33:43 No.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It would have to already exist.

Tom Papa 33:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Because if you try to build a place in 2020, said, "All right, we're gonna build a new comedy store. We're gonna put it over here in-"

Tom Papa 33:50 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:50 "... Silver Lake, and we're gonna... This is this, and that, and that. And we're gonna make it like The Comedy Store." Eh.

Tom Papa 33:55 Uh-uh. It would feel like a hotel bar.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Yeah.

Tom Papa 33:57 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 33:57 People would go there, and, an Encino hotel bar.

Tom Papa 33:59 Yeah, yeah, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:00 Like, "Why am I here?"

Tom Papa 34:01 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:02 (laughs)

Tom Papa 34:02 Why is it echoey? What's wrong here?

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yeah, it s-

Tom Papa 34:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:05 ... it seems odd.

Tom Papa 34:06 There's no soul. It... Places have a soul.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 34:08 And that place has a lot of (laughs) soul.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Yeah.

Tom Papa 34:11 A lot of dark souls, a lot of mixed-up souls.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Yeah, that's a, uh, a weird point of, uh, contention with scientists and with, uh, uh, m- people that are open to more weird ideas.

Tom Papa 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 That things have a feel to them. That things even have a memory to them.

Tom Papa 34:30 Oh, yeah. I believe that 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:33 I do, too, but if you... You know, if you talk to a brilliant scientist, they would dismiss that instantaneously.

Tom Papa 34:38 They think they're all brilliant, but they're not open to everything. They're acting all-

Joe Rogan 34:43 Ugh.

Tom Papa 34:43 ... smart with their little test scores and their lab coats, but walk into an old hotel in Italy and tell me that you don't feel-

Joe Rogan 34:50 Something.

Tom Papa 34:51 ... something there.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 34:51 That history.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 34:53 I'm not saying it's all ghosts coming up and-

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 34:54 ... giving you belly rubs, (laughs) but-

Joe Rogan 34:57 Why do-

Tom Papa 34:57 ... there's something to it.

Joe Rogan 34:57 ... why do we think that they have that dismissive need to r- uh, re- uh, for a... To be a reductionist, to reduce everything down to its core components and dismiss any soul?

Tom Papa 35:07 It gives you control, right? It gives you an idea, like, uh, that this crazy madness is somehow manageable. Like, I, I do it too in my life. You know, I organize my desk and I get my thing and I get my schedule and-

Joe Rogan 35:19 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 35:19 ... okay, everything's okay. Th- This isn't chaos.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:22 (laughs) No, we're not all gonna be, uh, th- this, uh, this isn't completely out of my control. I'm controlling this. At least my pen's over there-

Joe Rogan 35:29 Yeah.

Tom Papa 35:30 ... and my book's over here. Right? I would think that that's what it is, and if you can't...... if you can't justify it with facts and numbers, then it doesn't exist. Well, I don't know, because certain places always seem to have a personality, and there's, there's more, there's more going on. I, uh, just because we haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean that that stuff doesn't exist.

Joe Rogan 35:52 No, I agree. I agree-

Tom Papa 35:53 Even this room, even this place, like-

Joe Rogan 35:55 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 35:55 ... you know, you moved here, right? This was the, this was ... The old place was the thing, but this feels different now than when you first showed up.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 36:03 It's got stuff. There's got, there's some memories.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Way different, yeah.

Tom Papa 36:06 There's some things have happened. There's like ... It feels comfortable here.

Joe Rogan 36:10 Well, we got this desk, too.

Tom Papa 36:11 Wood.

Joe Rogan 36:11 This is the same desk from the beginning. This desk is soaked in with people's palm sweat and-

Tom Papa 36:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:17 ... weirdness and-

Tom Papa 36:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... good feelings and weird feelings.

Tom Papa 36:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 You know?

Tom Papa 36:21 And that, and that wouldn't have come from something that wasn't wood.

Joe Rogan 36:24 Yeah. No, I agree.

Tom Papa 36:26 B-

Joe Rogan 36:26 And this is also reclaimed farmhouse wood.

Tom Papa 36:28 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 36:29 Yeah. This is all from, uh, some Russian farm.

Tom Papa 36:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:32 This is all reclaimed oak. All this shit is like 100 years old.

Tom Papa 36:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 36:36 Yeah.

Tom Papa 36:36 From where?

Joe Rogan 36:37 Russia. We decided to get this wood. One of, one of the things, when w- I was building this, I, I said, "Can we get wood that's old?"

Tom Papa 36:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 And so we, we figured out that there was ways that you could get, like, really old oak.

Tom Papa 36:51 Man.

Joe Rogan 36:52 And so, Eric, the guy who, uh, made all this, got this really old Russian oak, and cut it all down and trimmed it and, you know-

Tom Papa 37:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Everything's all, you know ... It's like got cracks in it, and it's, it's expanded, and-

Tom Papa 37:07 It has personality.

Joe Rogan 37:08 It's alive.

Tom Papa 37:09 Yeah, it's alive.

Joe Rogan 37:10 But if it's not alive, I mean, it's, it's organic. That's probably the best-

Tom Papa 37:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:13 ... way to describe it.

Tom Papa 37:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:15 No. That, that ... It has a difference. It ... And then, you know, if you wanna go further and talk about the ghosts that show up-

Joe Rogan 37:20 (gasps)

Tom Papa 37:20 ... yeah, so there's definitely ghosts too. Did I ever show you the picture of my ghost?

Joe Rogan 37:23 You have a picture of a ghost?

Tom Papa 37:25 Didn't I show you that?

Joe Rogan 37:26 I don't-

Tom Papa 37:26 Did I ever show you that, Jamie?

Joe Rogan 37:28 I don't think so.

Tom Papa 37:28 No?

Joe Rogan 37:29 You have a ghost?

Tom Papa 37:30 I have a ghost.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Where, at your house?

Tom Papa 37:32 I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but-

Joe Rogan 37:34 I don't know if you are. I don't remember this story.

Tom Papa 37:36 All right.

Joe Rogan 37:36 But I, I'm-

Tom Papa 37:37 I got one of those Nest cameras.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Oh, the Nest cameras captured a ghost?

Tom Papa 37:41 Those ... Yeah, and I was at The Comedy Works in Denver.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Mm. And the ghost-

Tom Papa 37:45 And I-

Joe Rogan 37:45 ... comes with you to Denver?

Tom Papa 37:47 I ... (laughs) He opens for me.

Joe Rogan 37:50 (laughs)

Tom Papa 37:50 (laughs) You know, you want an opener that you can trust.

Joe Rogan 37:52 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:53 And I got an alert on my email the first time, like if you, if it senses movement-

Joe Rogan 37:58 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 37:58 ... it alerts you. And I open it up and there's my dog, Bella, just r- (laughs) in the thing. I'm like, "This is so cool." I'm just like, "I'm in, I'm in Denver, and I'm looking at my office." And I thought, "Wouldn't that be a cool beginning of a horror movie if you get an alert on your phone, and back at home, there's a guy just staring in the camera of like, like a-"

Joe Rogan 38:23 Ooh. Jesus Christ.

Tom Papa 38:23 Right? That's a good premise for a movie. So then I ... As I'm saying that to my opening act, who's, who wasn't a ghost, I get another alert, and then this comes up. Oh, yeah. You can see it up there, right past it.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Okay. Why do you have a picture of Chris D'Elia on your wall?

Tom Papa 38:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:43 He's, uh, he's obsessed with Chris D'Elia. We just found out. Look at that, bro. That's D'Elia.

Tom Papa 38:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:49 Chris, keep away from Tom. Something you might not know.

Tom Papa 38:52 I love D'Elia, but that's George Carlin.

Joe Rogan 38:55 That's a man with a wrench.

Tom Papa 38:57 Yeah, or a man in a trench coat with an Uzi.

Joe Rogan 39:01 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 39:01 This is 10 o'clock at night. The only people home are my wife and my daughter. This is on the second floor. There is no shadow coming (laughs) in the thing. It's a ghost.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Well-

Tom Papa 39:11 That's a legit ghost.

Joe Rogan 39:12 You don't think that's a person?

Tom Papa 39:13 That's not a person.

Joe Rogan 39:14 For sure?

Tom Papa 39:15 My wife was the only one in the house.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Hmm. And you think that's a gun in his hand? Could be a clipboard. Maybe he's just a really annoying surveyor from the dead.

Tom Papa 39:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:26 He's-

Tom Papa 39:26 He's looking at the-

Joe Rogan 39:27 "I'd just like a few moments of your time-"

Tom Papa 39:28 And you go, "Mm-hmm."

Joe Rogan 39:29 ... "to fill out this report. Mm-hmm."

Narrator 39:29 Did you have video of it? Was it moving or something?

Tom Papa 39:32 No, but I have a video of another thing in the same office which I could show you.

Joe Rogan 39:37 This is, this is weird.

Tom Papa 39:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:39 It, it looks way different in this picture w- when it's small than it does when it's large. When it's, when it's-

Tom Papa 39:44 W- which is scarier.

Joe Rogan 39:45 When it's large, it looks more like a person. Can you make it even bigger, Jamie? Can you just make his image larger? Hmm.

Tom Papa 39:51 I have a ghost in my house, and then we hear things.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Yeah, see, it does seem, it seems like, you know, the light is behind him, right? Like ...

Tom Papa 40:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Like, like the outside right edge of it is sorta highlighted, like there's a light behind him.

Tom Papa 40:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Doesn't look like a gun though.

Tom Papa 40:09 It is weird.

Joe Rogan 40:10 I mean, it could be a gun.

Tom Papa 40:12 And then I got this video.

Joe Rogan 40:13 Could be a Sawzall. (laughs)

Tom Papa 40:15 (laughs)

Narrator 40:15 Coming for bread.

Tom Papa 40:16 He has it over here, ready to saw some bread. He's looking for bread (laughs) . He's got a big, serrated-

Narrator 40:20 Red knife.

Tom Papa 40:20 ... big bread knife (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 40:21 He's got a electric, serrated chef's knife. Brr.

Tom Papa 40:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:24 "Here, chop up some bread, bro."

Tom Papa 40:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:29 So have you ever had an experience that you could say you think is probably a ghost caused that?

Tom Papa 40:35 Everybody in the house has had a little something.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Is your house old?

Tom Papa 40:39 It's not old.

Joe Rogan 40:40 How old is it?

Tom Papa 40:40 But like Poltergeist.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Right. It's o- over an Indian burial ground.

Tom Papa 40:44 You never know.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Dun, dun, dun.

Tom Papa 40:46 You never know.

Joe Rogan 40:47 What-

Tom Papa 40:47 Look at this video in the same office from the Nest.

Joe Rogan 40:52 You got a video? Let me see what's going on. What am I looking at here?

Tom Papa 40:58 Did the thing move?

Joe Rogan 40:59 No.

Tom Papa 40:59 Can you press play again?

Joe Rogan 41:00 Okay.

Tom Papa 41:05 Same camera. What's that?

Joe Rogan 41:08 It's a bug, bro.

Tom Papa 41:09 It's a bug?

Joe Rogan 41:09 100%.

Tom Papa 41:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:11 That's a bug.

Tom Papa 41:12 How do you know that's a bug?

Joe Rogan 41:13 Because it's a bug. It's moving in front of the camera-

Tom Papa 41:15 Look how it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 41:16 ... and it flies around.

Tom Papa 41:16 It's doing loop-de-loops.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Dude, that's a bug. It's probably a moth. Oh my God. You're a little fruitcake.

Tom Papa 41:21 (laughs) I'm not a f-

Joe Rogan 41:22 You're a crazy person.

Tom Papa 41:24 That is not ... That's no bug.

Joe Rogan 41:25 You're a crazy person.

Tom Papa 41:26 Look how it's sailing.

Joe Rogan 41:28 Is that what they call cr- Is a fruitcake ... A fruitcake is not a ... That's a gay person. That's a g-

Tom Papa 41:32 That's a gay person.

Joe Rogan 41:33 But you can call someone a fruitcake if they're nuts too, right? Isn't it?

Tom Papa 41:36 Yeah, nuttier than a fruitcake.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 41:40 ... look how that, look how that goes. That's no bug.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Bro, get the fuck out of here.

Tom Papa 41:42 Look at that. Woo.

Joe Rogan 41:43 That is 100% a bug. You're out of your mind. That's a bug.

Tom Papa 41:46 Do you wanna see jam?

Joe Rogan 41:47 I would bet everything.

Tom Papa 41:48 Air, Air Drop it to me real quick. All right, I'll Air Drop it to you.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Do it. Yeah. I would be all in that that's a bug.

Tom Papa 41:53 (laughs) All right.

Joe Rogan 41:54 That's not a ghost, it's Tinker Bell.

Tom Papa 41:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:57 Right? That's what it is. Your house is invaded by fairies. (laughs)

Tom Papa 42:03 (laughs) But that ghost... My... I believe in ghosts.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Really?

Tom Papa 42:10 And, yeah, I do. And then, uh, my wife... Yeah, we've all had little things go on in the house.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Like what kind of little things?

Tom Papa 42:15 My wife thought someone was standing right behind her as she's doing the laundry.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Was it you?

Tom Papa 42:18 She thought it was my daughter and turned and there's... Nope, there was-

Joe Rogan 42:20 Oh, that's a bug.

Tom Papa 42:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:22 It's a fucking bug, right? Thank you, Jamie.

Tom Papa 42:24 Jamie.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Let's watch this. Let's watch this so everyone, uh, at home can laugh-

Tom Papa 42:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... at how fucking crazy Tom Papa is. Here we go.

Tom Papa 42:30 Well, if you first-

Joe Rogan 42:31 Let's watch the bug. Oh, look, a fucking bug.

Tom Papa 42:34 Oh, yeah. A flat, a flat paper-

Joe Rogan 42:36 Just shut your mouth.

Tom Papa 42:38 ... piece of paper.

Joe Rogan 42:38 No.

Tom Papa 42:38 Oh, all bugs look like a fortune cookie.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Dude, it's a bug. Listen to me.

Tom Papa 42:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:42 There was-

Tom Papa 42:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:43 There's a thing that I got sucked into.

Tom Papa 42:45 What bug is... No, no. Stop it.

Joe Rogan 42:45 Any bug.

Tom Papa 42:46 That's a bug.

Joe Rogan 42:46 It's a video artifact. It's because it's moving very fast in front of the screen. There's a precedent to this.

Tom Papa 42:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 42:52 You have a low resolution camera that's in front of your desk, right?

Tom Papa 42:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:55 This is a security camera, low resolution, doesn't take a lot of frames per second. The reason why it's so elongated is because it's passing by this camera and the thing is taking multiple exposures-

Tom Papa 43:05 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 43:06 ... while, while it moves through. There's a thing called, um... Is that George Carlin behind your desk? Is that what it is?

Tom Papa 43:11 Yeah, that's the D'Elia.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Oh.

Tom Papa 43:12 That's the Chris D'Elia moved to the other side now.

Joe Rogan 43:14 It's, it's George Carlin? Is that who it actually is?

Tom Papa 43:16 That's George Carlin.

Joe Rogan 43:17 That's pretty cool you got that above your desk.

Tom Papa 43:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Um, the... There's a thing called Roswell Rods. See how it looks all long like that?

Tom Papa 43:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 43:26 And Roswell Rods, there was this guy-

Tom Papa 43:30 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:30 ... that, uh, me and Eddie Bravo, b- back in the smoke-too-much-weed-every-day days-

Tom Papa 43:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:36 ... uh, we were convinced that there were these things that were moving too fast for the human eye to see.

Tom Papa 43:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:43 And there, there was gelatinous, jellyfish-like creatures that are shaped like a tube that's... See how they look?

Tom Papa 43:49 Where'd you get this idea?

Joe Rogan 43:50 See how they look? See those things?

Tom Papa 43:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Yeah.

Tom Papa 43:52 Where'd you get the idea? You had seen it?

Joe Rogan 43:53 Well, I had seen a video. See that one, that black and white one, where it show... Right, right above your cursor, Jamie.

Tom Papa 43:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:59 To the right, right there. Click on that one.

Tom Papa 44:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:01 That sort of iconic image of the Roswell Rod had me convinced, like, "Oh my God, there's these things in the sky."

Tom Papa 44:08 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 44:08 And the only way you could capture them was with video cameras. So they'd set these video cameras up and they would get these things on video-

Tom Papa 44:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 ... and this guy made this documentary. I think a couple of documentaries. I think if you go to roswellrods.com, he's got-

Tom Papa 44:20 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 44:20 ... a whole website dedicated to it.

Tom Papa 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 It is nothing but a video artifact. Once, there's a show called, um, one of those monster shows, fucking one of those-

Tom Papa 44:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:31 ... History Channel shows or Discovery Channel shows.

Tom Papa 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:34 And they solved the, the mystery.

Tom Papa 44:36 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 44:36 They set up two cameras in front of this fireplace, or the so- front of this, um, campfire.

Tom Papa 44:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:42 One of them... Was it a campfire? N- No. I think it was actually a lantern. Wha- whatever it was, it w- they set up these two cameras.

Tom Papa 44:48 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 44:49 One of them was standard resolution and the other one was HD.

Tom Papa 44:52 Ah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 So one of them captured multiple frames per second, like many, many, many frames per second.

Tom Papa 44:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:56 Very high resolution. And in that one, you clearly see bugs. Clearly, you see a bug, you see a bug.

Tom Papa 45:04 Ah.

Joe Rogan 45:04 A very easily defined bug. In the other one-

Tom Papa 45:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:07 ... that's low resolution and doesn't capture as many frames per second, all those images are stretched out and it looks like tubes.

Tom Papa 45:14 Ah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 So-

Tom Papa 45:14 Just a-

Joe Rogan 45:14 ... in the exact same place at the exact-

Tom Papa 45:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:19 ... same time, with two cameras right next to each other-

Tom Papa 45:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:20 ... you get two very different images. One of them is all stretched out from the low resolution camera-

Tom Papa 45:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:25 ... like your security camera.

Tom Papa 45:27 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:28 The other one is high resolution and you can see it's clearly a bug. I guarantee you 1,000,000% that is a fucking bug.

Tom Papa 45:34 All right, I'll buy that one.

Joe Rogan 45:36 See if you can find that, Jamie.

Tom Papa 45:37 I'm convinced. But that other one.

Joe Rogan 45:39 L- You're-

Narrator 45:40 Mom, look in the ambient for me.

Joe Rogan 45:40 You're a ghost lover, bro.

Tom Papa 45:42 (laughs) I am a ghost lover.

Joe Rogan 45:43 (laughs)

Tom Papa 45:44 I love all of it. I love being in a spooky old house, a nice old church-

Joe Rogan 45:47 Mm.

Tom Papa 45:48 ... theaters.

Joe Rogan 45:49 The Comedy Store Belly Room scares me sometimes.

Tom Papa 45:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:52 I've taken people up there and I go, "Oh, just, just stand here and tell me if you don't feel weird."

Tom Papa 45:55 In the Belly Room?

Joe Rogan 45:56 There's something about the Belly Room. When you go above those stairs, it's just like there's something about that room, especially when there's no show going on-

Tom Papa 46:01 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 46:02 ... it just feels like your body's telling you, "Get the fuck out of here."

Tom Papa 46:05 Right?

Joe Rogan 46:05 "Let's get out of here."

Tom Papa 46:06 So what is that?

Joe Rogan 46:07 You're a bitch. (laughs)

Tom Papa 46:09 (laughs) You're in the stairs, not me.

Joe Rogan 46:11 I'm a bitch. Me, I'm a bitch. I'm talking to myself.

Tom Papa 46:13 With the back one, the p- off the main room, the dressing area, whenever you're back there by yourself-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 46:18 ... that's a weird feeling.

Joe Rogan 46:18 That's a sketchy spot.

Tom Papa 46:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 46:20 That's a really weird feeling.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Well-

Tom Papa 46:21 Isn't that where Kinison said he saw, like, a... Didn't he see, like, a quarter move in the air or something?

Joe Rogan 46:26 He ate a pound of cocaine that night.

Tom Papa 46:29 (laughs)

Narrator 46:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:30 (laughs) That guy, that guy snorted so much coke, who the fuck knows what he saw?

Tom Papa 46:33 Oh, yeah, he's, he's not a good, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:35 No.

Tom Papa 46:35 ... scientist. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:37 (laughs) Well, Carl Aube, who was Kinison's sidekick, had a great story about getting kicked out of The Comedy Store, and he told it on stage one night.

Tom Papa 46:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:45 That he got kicked out... Uh, not out of The Comedy Store, excuse me. Kicked out of his home.

Tom Papa 46:49 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Got in a fight with his wife. You know, "Get out. Fuck you." You know, "I'm, I'm going to the goddamn Comedy Store."

Tom Papa 46:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:54 So he went to The Comedy Store to s- 'cause I think he was working security at the store, so he had keys.

Tom Papa 46:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 So he said, "I'm gonna sleep on this stage. I'm gonna make it one day. I'm gonna be a big, famous comedian. I'm gonna say, 'This is my fucking stage.' I'm gonna sleep here."" So he slept there in the dark.

Tom Papa 47:06 Main room?

Joe Rogan 47:07 Main room, in the dark. And, uh, he hears something in the background. And he hears, like, a door, like click-click. And he, like, picks his head up, pitch black-

Tom Papa 47:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... can't see shit. "Hello? It's Carl."

Tom Papa 47:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:22 "Hey, uh, I got kicked out of my house. I'm sleeping here if anybody's, uh, here wondering." And then he hears chairs moving, clink-clink, clink-clink. And he's like, "What the fuck is going on? Hello?"

Tom Papa 47:32 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 47:32 And then something grabs him by the ankle and pulls him off the stage, into the crowd, into where the seats are-

Tom Papa 47:37 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... crashing into the chairs. And then, boom, the door shuts and, boom, another door shuts and it's gone.

Tom Papa 47:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:44 And he's laying on the ground-... in, in the middle of the main room-

Tom Papa 47:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:48 ... with a bunch of knocked over chairs. Something had grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the stage.

Tom Papa 47:52 (laughs) Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:53 Or, or he did a lot of coke with Kinison.

Tom Papa 47:56 He was, right? He was another one.

Joe Rogan 47:58 Yes.

Tom Papa 47:59 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:59 But it's a great story.

Tom Papa 48:00 That is a great story. Did who-

Joe Rogan 48:01 Uh, he told it on stage one night at the store.

Tom Papa 48:03 Uh-

Joe Rogan 48:03 I was like, "Holy shit. This is amazing."

Tom Papa 48:04 Uh, yeah, that's a good question. I've never asked the audience if they feel weird in there.

Joe Rogan 48:09 No, I don't think they do. They're drunk.

Tom Papa 48:10 They're drunk and they're w- watching a show.

Joe Rogan 48:12 They're having a good time.

Tom Papa 48:13 Yeah, they're having fun.

Joe Rogan 48:13 They're there for fun. The, uh, basement feels weird-

Tom Papa 48:16 You had such a funny... I saw you, uh, like a week ago working stuff out on the main stage. That whole thing about back of the hand.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Oh, yeah. Don't talk-

Tom Papa 48:25 I won't.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Don't, don't give up my material.

Tom Papa 48:26 I won't. I won't. I know.

Joe Rogan 48:27 Yeah. Working that.

Tom Papa 48:27 But so-

Joe Rogan 48:29 (laughs)

Tom Papa 48:29 ... th- that whole area was so funny.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Tom Papa 48:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:33 It's, uh, it's the most rewarding feeling ever when you have a chunk-

Tom Papa 48:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 ... and it's just, like, becomes something-

Tom Papa 48:38 Yeah. Ah.

Joe Rogan 48:38 ... over time, you know? Because in the beginning, it's like-

Tom Papa 48:41 It's like a miracle. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:43 It's, it's like a plant.

Tom Papa 48:44 I know.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Right? In the beginning, it's, like, a couple of leaves and a stick and it's kinda going, "Okay."

Tom Papa 48:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:48 "I hope this fucking becomes a tree."

Tom Papa 48:50 Yeah, exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:51 And now it's like a tree.

Tom Papa 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 You know? Now it's got branches and you can hang from it.

Tom Papa 48:55 Yeah. And, like, branches, it goes off in these different places.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Yeah.

Tom Papa 48:59 So fun.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Yeah. It's-

Tom Papa 49:00 It was fun to watch.

Joe Rogan 49:01 S- I can't imagine not doing that.

Tom Papa 49:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:03 You know? Comedy's-

Tom Papa 49:04 Ah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 It's the most fun thing to do.

Tom Papa 49:06 I know. When you get addicted to it, too, and you don't do it, you start feeling like a weirdo.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Tom Papa 49:10 Once you've done it a bunch, you know-

Joe Rogan 49:12 Yeah.

Tom Papa 49:12 ... that's it. It's-

Joe Rogan 49:13 Wow.

Tom Papa 49:13 Yeah, you start getting, like, weird. G- go on vacation for a week and you're like-

Joe Rogan 49:17 What am I doing out here?

Tom Papa 49:18 ... "What do I do? I go to dinners now?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:20 Walk around Thailand. "Do you guys have comedy on here?"

Tom Papa 49:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:22 "No comedy at all?"

Tom Papa 49:23 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:24 How weird. Oh, you brought-

Tom Papa 49:25 Totally weird.

Joe Rogan 49:25 You brought it back to Jamie, too.

Tom Papa 49:27 Oh, yeah. I gave Jamie. I know.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Uh, uh, Jamie's gonna come back tomorrow with a little belly.

Tom Papa 49:30 It's a beauty. It is a beauty.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Little bread belly.

Tom Papa 49:33 He doesn't have a toaster.

Joe Rogan 49:34 You don't have a t- what are you, a savage?

Narrator 49:36 I just didn't get ... I w- I threw my old one away. I was planning on getting a new one. I just never did.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Hmm, never did? Well-

Tom Papa 49:40 He's a bachelor.

Joe Rogan 49:41 Good thing is you can get them anywhere.

Narrator 49:42 I know. They're-

Joe Rogan 49:42 It's not like they're hard to find.

Tom Papa 49:43 (laughs)

Narrator 49:45 Well, I don't eat a lot of toast either, so it's not a big deal.

Tom Papa 49:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Well, do they have them at Best Buy? There's a Best Buy-

Narrator 49:49 They have them everywhere.

Joe Rogan 49:49 ... like a mile away.

Narrator 49:50 So Amazon will probably have it to your house before you get home. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:53 Right? They deliver ... They have their own trucks now.

Tom Papa 49:55 I know. They make me so snotty. I'm like, "It, it won't be here today?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:00 You know what's interesting? It's like we have this, uh, uh, attitude about business, right? That like-

Tom Papa 50:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:06 ... we w- you know, it's nice when someone works hard and creates a business and becomes successful.

Tom Papa 50:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 50:12 But it's not when they become too successful.

Tom Papa 50:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:14 It's not when they, they're, they are the business.

Tom Papa 50:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 And then we think, "That's a monopoly. We gotta break that up."

Tom Papa 50:19 Yeah. Enough already.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Like, I hear a lot of people saying that they should break up Amazon.

Tom Papa 50:22 Yeah, they're too big, the too... All right, good.

Joe Rogan 50:24 It's too good.

Tom Papa 50:24 So you wanna end up ... So you wanna wait five days for a book? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:29 (laughs)

Tom Papa 50:29 Is that what you-

Joe Rogan 50:30 But, but the idea is you want other people to be able to open up bookstores.

Tom Papa 50:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 50:34 I don't know, man. It's-

Tom Papa 50:35 I know.

Joe Rogan 50:36 I'm not an econo- clearly. I don't even know. Like, it's, it's like-

Tom Papa 50:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:39 ... I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm clearly not an economics expert, but-

Tom Papa 50:43 I know. But it's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:45 I see the arguments, but I also see a little bit of hater in those arguments.

Tom Papa 50:49 Thanks for writing that quote for my book, by the way.

Joe Rogan 50:51 My pleasure, my friend.

Tom Papa 50:51 That was really great.

Joe Rogan 50:52 When is your, uh, book out?

Tom Papa 50:53 They can pre-order it now-

Joe Rogan 50:54 (gasps)

Tom Papa 50:54 ... but it comes out in May, and you can pre-order it where? Amazon.

Joe Rogan 50:59 That's crazy.

Tom Papa 51:00 Uh, yeah. But then it'll be in bookstore as well.

Joe Rogan 51:01 What are the odds? We're talking about Amazon-

Tom Papa 51:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:03 ... and your book is coming out on Amazon. That is nuts.

Tom Papa 51:05 It's like they know.

Joe Rogan 51:06 That's like a ghost.

Tom Papa 51:06 It's like they know. Hey, back to the comedy store thing.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:10 Wasn't there a story that someone came in, a waitress came in, and all the chairs were stacked in a pile?

Joe Rogan 51:15 Yeah, but I never talked to that waitress. Did you?

Tom Papa 51:18 No. I don't even know if it was a waitress. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:20 I've talked to, uh, people that have had weird experiences.

Tom Papa 51:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 But you never know, man. People are tired.

Tom Papa 51:27 I know.

Joe Rogan 51:27 It's the end of the day. There's a lot ... The power of suggestion. But then there's also the reality that that used to be Bugsy Siegel's nightclub and that people-

Tom Papa 51:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:37 ... were murdered there.

Tom Papa 51:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Bugsy Siegel was a legit gangster and they killed people in that club. And-

Tom Papa 51:43 In that club.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Apparently, they killed people in the basement.

Tom Papa 51:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 That's the word.

Tom Papa 51:47 Have you ever been in the basement? Oh, oh, the-

Joe Rogan 51:48 Oh, yeah. Where they're gonna-

Tom Papa 51:49 ... the podcast.

Joe Rogan 51:49 The podcast studio.

Tom Papa 51:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah.

Tom Papa 51:51 That doesn't feel creepy.

Joe Rogan 51:52 A little bit weird. It feels a little weird.

Tom Papa 51:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:55 I, it was weird when I did Argus's show down there. I was like, "This is weird."

Tom Papa 51:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:58 I felt like he might be haunted. (laughs)

Tom Papa 52:01 What if ... Argus has been dead for years.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Argus has got some good fucking material, man.

Tom Papa 52:05 Argus is-

Joe Rogan 52:05 Argus is a hustler. He's always writing.

Tom Papa 52:08 It's no joke.

Joe Rogan 52:09 No joke at all.

Tom Papa 52:10 It's no joke.

Joe Rogan 52:10 I saw him kill the other night in the main room.

Tom Papa 52:12 I f-

Joe Rogan 52:12 On a Saturday night, I was like, "He is fucking good, man."

Tom Papa 52:15 With jokes written, like, that day-

Joe Rogan 52:17 Yes.

Tom Papa 52:17 ... that week.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Yes.

Tom Papa 52:18 I know.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Like, really current event jokes, but tight, good, solid jokes.

Tom Papa 52:23 He's no joke. He ... I follow him a lot. I, I end up going on after him a lot there and I'm just always amazed.

Joe Rogan 52:31 Yeah. I mean-

Tom Papa 52:32 Like n- like not, not like just from the headlines kind of this... Like, like, uh, like a late night show, this kinda worked.

Joe Rogan 52:38 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 52:39 Isn't that funny?

Joe Rogan 52:39 No, like, funny.

Tom Papa 52:40 They're good jokes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:41 And, you know, he's a guy that never threw in the towel.

Tom Papa 52:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:44 That's the thing about Argus.

Tom Papa 52:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:46 I mean, he writes all the time for periodicals. He writes jokes for, like, newspapers-

Tom Papa 52:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 ... and stuff like that. And he runs, I think something crazy like at least 10 miles a day.

Tom Papa 52:55 What?

Joe Rogan 52:56 Yeah.

Tom Papa 52:56 Really?

Joe Rogan 52:56 He runs in Hollywood.

Tom Papa 52:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:59 He's out there and th- the streets are his gym. He gets out there-

Tom Papa 53:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 53:02 Yeah, we were hanging around the store one night and Argus pulled in with fucking sweatpants on, all sweaty and shit.

Tom Papa 53:07 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 53:08 I go, "What are you doing?" "Well, just getting back from a run."

Tom Papa 53:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:11 He's, he was out there running. I was like, "Whoa."

Tom Papa 53:14 Yeah. He's a, he's the real deal. I mean, he's been at the store forever.

Joe Rogan 53:19 From the '70s.

Tom Papa 53:19 From the '70s.

Joe Rogan 53:20 I mean, he used to date Mitzi.

Tom Papa 53:22 He did?

Joe Rogan 53:23 You didn't know that?

Tom Papa 53:23 No.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:25 No.

Joe Rogan 53:25 He was Mitzi's boyfriend.

Tom Papa 53:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:27 There he is. That's Argus Hamilton-

Tom Papa 53:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:29 ... back when he was-

Tom Papa 53:30 Look at young Argus.

Joe Rogan 53:31 ... your son.

Tom Papa 53:31 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:33 (laughs)

Tom Papa 53:33 He does look... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:35 He's still ... (laughs) That's Argus Papa.

Tom Papa 53:37 Argus Papa (laughs) in a time machine.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah, I mean, he's been swinging at the store forever. Look at him there.

Tom Papa 53:43 Oh, that's the Tonight Show.

Joe Rogan 53:45 That's the Tonight Show in 1981.

Tom Papa 53:47 In 1981. I was in eighth grade.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Oh my God, I was in ninth grade.

Tom Papa 53:50 (laughs) That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:50 I was in high school. That was my first year of high school.

Tom Papa 53:52 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:53 '81, he was already on the fucking Tonight Show. I probably saw him on the Tonight Show. You know, that was one of the things that inspired me to do standup is watching Richard Jeni on the Tonight Show.

Tom Papa 54:01 Ah, Jeni, yeah.... killers.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Watching, watching comics do stand up on The Tonight Show is, like, one of my favorite things.

Tom Papa 54:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:08 When a, when a stand-up would come on, I'd be in my... I had a TV in my bedroom, like, a 12-inch TV-

Tom Papa 54:13 Uh-huh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:13 ... and, uh, you know, we had rabbit ears.

Tom Papa 54:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:16 So I, I'd get whatever was on regular network, you know?

Tom Papa 54:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 People don't even know what that is anymore.

Tom Papa 54:21 It's so crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:22 There's a s- folks, there's a signal-

Tom Papa 54:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:24 ... that's in the sky, and you can pick up the TV.

Tom Papa 54:27 If you put tinfoil on the end of it-

Joe Rogan 54:29 Yes.

Tom Papa 54:29 ... you'll get even better picture. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:29 It's even better reception. You had to fuck with the antenna, remember? Like, you could stand there. I would stand there sometimes and hold it in a certain way. And you know when it was really great? When it snowed.

Tom Papa 54:39 When it... (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 54:39 When it snowed out, you got great service. Like, you could s-

Tom Papa 54:41 You have the ionization or something.

Joe Rogan 54:42 There was something, something h- it happens with cellphones too, you know?

Tom Papa 54:45 (laughs) Yeah? Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 54:46 When it snows, how you get better cellphone reception. Yeah.

Tom Papa 54:48 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 54:49 There's something going on with it.

Narrator 54:50 I still use one from time to time, because in LA, depending on where you are, there are a lot of free 4K HD stations that are going over just f- wherever you are.

Tom Papa 54:59 Through the air?

Narrator 55:00 Um, and I remember watching sporting events because that's the clearest it would be, because it'd be better than what you're getting streamed online.

Tom Papa 55:05 Uh-huh.

Narrator 55:05 When a helicopter would go over your house, the signal would break up.

Tom Papa 55:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Whoa.

Narrator 55:10 Yeah. Very weird.

Tom Papa 55:10 Because the waves that would... Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did it-

Joe Rogan 55:12 Whoa.

Narrator 55:12 Very weird.

Tom Papa 55:13 How did it affect your toaster?

Narrator 55:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:16 (laughs)

Tom Papa 55:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:16 So the helicopter, the whip-pu-pu-pu-pu-put-

Tom Papa 55:19 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 55:19 ... would fuck with the air-

Tom Papa 55:21 Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:21 ... and it would mess up the signal?

Tom Papa 55:22 Yeah, it's all sound. It's all waves, right?

Narrator 55:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Wow.

Tom Papa 55:25 (laughs)

Narrator 55:25 (Laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:25 How weird, man.

Tom Papa 55:27 I remember my... Uh, we had this tiny, little TV room in, at my grandparents' house. And the men would sit in there, th- uh, big (laughs) , on this tiny, little couch, and I, I'd have to hold the antenna-

Narrator 55:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:38 (laughs)

Tom Papa 55:38 ... so they could watch the game. So I'd come in for-

Joe Rogan 55:40 Well, I used to have a, a wrench to change the channel.

Tom Papa 55:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:43 Because the thing broke off. Remember, there was a little-

Tom Papa 55:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 ... piece of plastic-

Tom Papa 55:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:46 ... you would have to click, click-

Tom Papa 55:47 And you had to look.

Joe Rogan 55:48 ... click to change the channels? And the thing broke off.

Tom Papa 55:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:50 So I'd get in there with a wrench and have to pop, pop-

Tom Papa 55:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:53 That's how you changed the channel.

Tom Papa 55:54 ... that little nub. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:54 We used to keep a wrench on top of the TV.

Tom Papa 55:56 Ugh. Remember finding the, f- finding the, uh, UHF channels?

Joe Rogan 55:59 Yes.

Tom Papa 56:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:00 Like, "This is crazy. Benny Hill."

Tom Papa 56:02 Uncle Floyd. (laughs) Yeah, Benny Hill, Uncle Floyd.

Joe Rogan 56:04 (sings) Uncle Floyd, b- b- b- b- b- b- b- b-

Tom Papa 56:05 Oh, my God, just crazy people.

Joe Rogan 56:06 Uncle Floyd was the guy in New Jersey.

Tom Papa 56:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:09 Most people don't know who he is. I worked with him.

Tom Papa 56:11 You did?

Joe Rogan 56:12 I did stand-up with him, yeah.

Tom Papa 56:13 He's still g- out there, I think, now.

Joe Rogan 56:15 Is he really?

Tom Papa 56:15 Yeah, my cousins, I think, saw him-

Joe Rogan 56:18 How old is he?

Tom Papa 56:18 ... in some place in Wayne, New Jersey or something.

Joe Rogan 56:20 Dude, I did a Bob Gonzo gig-

Tom Papa 56:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:23 ... with Uncle Floyd on the shore in Jersey, me and-

Tom Papa 56:28 (laughs) He- he- he was the best.

Joe Rogan 56:29 Wow, there he is.

Tom Papa 56:30 Look at him.

Joe Rogan 56:30 He's a very nice guy.

Tom Papa 56:31 Bow tie, plaid jacket.

Joe Rogan 56:33 Mm-hmm. Me and Otto and George.

Tom Papa 56:35 Oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Yeah. And, uh, I-

Tom Papa 56:38 Look at him. He's a handsome man.

Joe Rogan 56:39 I fucking bombed.

Tom Papa 56:41 (laughs) You did?

Joe Rogan 56:41 Oof. Went on after him, ate shit.

Tom Papa 56:43 After V- Uncle Floyd?

Joe Rogan 56:44 Yeah. Terri- They didn't wanna see me at all.

Tom Papa 56:46 Would he do-

Joe Rogan 56:47 They're into him.

Tom Papa 56:47 Would he do songs-

Joe Rogan 56:48 (laughs)

Tom Papa 56:49 ... or would he-

Joe Rogan 56:49 I don't-

Tom Papa 56:49 ... just do stand-up?

Joe Rogan 56:50 I don't remember. I don't remember. I bel- I believe he brought puppets.

Tom Papa 56:53 And he had a, a ch- a show on UHF that just ran-

Joe Rogan 56:57 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:57 ... forever.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Forever in New Jersey.

Tom Papa 57:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:00 The Uncle Floyd Show, Monday through Friday, 6:30 PM.

Tom Papa 57:04 And he just kept going.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Cable Television Network of New Jersey.

Tom Papa 57:07 It's like Public Access.

Joe Rogan 57:08 Look at him. Wow. Yeah, it was like Public Access.

Tom Papa 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Do you remember Public Access?

Tom Papa 57:13 God.

Joe Rogan 57:13 You used, you used to be able to do your own show. You could go down to the Public Access station.

Tom Papa 57:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:18 I did a, there was a, a guy named, uh, Larry Rapucci.

Tom Papa 57:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:23 Me and, uh, I think Todd Parker-

Tom Papa 57:26 Ah.

Joe Rogan 57:26 ... were the ones. We did, like, when we were both... W- all three of us were open mic-ers.

Tom Papa 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 We did a show on cable access TV in Boston. We went down there-

Tom Papa 57:35 It was your own show?

Joe Rogan 57:36 Well, we just did a, a show.

Tom Papa 57:38 A show.

Joe Rogan 57:38 I think we did one episode, and I was wearing a dress.

Tom Papa 57:42 (laughs)

Narrator 57:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:42 I, I forget. It was, like, a game show, like a, like a dating show type of deal.

Tom Papa 57:46 Ah, it's great.

Joe Rogan 57:47 We, we created it ourself. It was t- I'm sure it was terrible.

Tom Papa 57:49 Yeah, but you were doing it.

Joe Rogan 57:50 But I was wearing-

Tom Papa 57:51 That's what's so great.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Yeah, and then, so one of my friends said, "Did I see you on TV wearing a dress?"

Tom Papa 57:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:56 I was like, "Probably."

Narrator 57:57 (laughs)

Tom Papa 57:58 It's so great, all these maniacs. That's the only people that would do it. Uncle-

Joe Rogan 58:01 Yeah.

Tom Papa 58:01 ... Floyd, right? And there was that, uh, the porn one in New York.

Joe Rogan 58:04 There was a porn one?

Tom Papa 58:05 Not, not, like-

Joe Rogan 58:06 Cable Access?

Tom Papa 58:06 Yeah, kind of porny. She was famous. She was, like, legendary in, in New York.

Joe Rogan 58:11 Oh, I know who you're talking about.

Tom Papa 58:12 Right?

Joe Rogan 58:13 Well, C- Howard Stern had a cable access show, didn't he?

Tom Papa 58:16 No, he had close. He had WOR.

Joe Rogan 58:20 That's right.

Tom Papa 58:20 Which is like Channel 9 in New York in the day.

Joe Rogan 58:21 That's right. He had a weird gig.

Tom Papa 58:24 Weird, like, small show.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Back when Howard Stern was... He was still huge.

Tom Papa 58:29 He was.

Joe Rogan 58:29 But he wasn't huge like he became.

Tom Papa 58:31 Yeah, but he was, he was popular. It wa-

Joe Rogan 58:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 58:34 It was, he was big at the time.

Joe Rogan 58:35 He was big, but... I'm trying to compare him with somebody.

Tom Papa 58:38 I think it was before Private Parts.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 58:40 It was, like, during Fartman, during that whole era.

Joe Rogan 58:42 It was before then, even, I think.

Tom Papa 58:43 Jackie the Joke Man.

Joe Rogan 58:45 This is the girl, the porn girl?

Tom Papa 58:46 Yeah, that's-

Narrator 58:47 Robin Byrd.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Robin Byrd.

Tom Papa 58:48 Robin Byrd, of course.

Joe Rogan 58:49 That's right.

Tom Papa 58:49 Of course.

Joe Rogan 58:49 That's right.

Tom Papa 58:50 Yeah, and she would do... Wasn't, like, you know, you couldn't go complete porn, but, look, she'd have... Yeah, she would-

Narrator 58:55 Oh, well, that's SNL making fun of it.

Joe Rogan 58:57 Oh, that's an SNL sketch-

Tom Papa 58:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... making fun of Robin Byrd.

Tom Papa 58:59 But she would have, like-

Narrator 59:00 Oh.

Tom Papa 59:00 ... a lot of drag queens on.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Wholesomely pornographic-

Narrator 59:04 And just talk about sex.

Joe Rogan 59:04 ... Robin Byrd sued Time Warner. Okay.

Tom Papa 59:06 And she had a cool voice, and she was just the... She was just a mainstay.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Well, do you remember when there was a, uh, radi- a talk radio channel in LA? Like, Tom Likus was on it.

Tom Papa 59:18 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 59:18 And, um, there was two girls that would talk about sex all the time.

Tom Papa 59:22 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah. I forget. They had... One of them, I think, was in Playboy.

Tom Papa 59:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:28 And they had, uh, Tim Conway Jr., Conway & Steckler.

Tom Papa 59:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Remember?

Tom Papa 59:34 I don't remember this.

Joe Rogan 59:35 You don't remember that?

Tom Papa 59:35 No.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Yeah, man. They had... There was a channel, an all-talk radio channel. And this was in the '90s, I remember-

Tom Papa 59:41 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 59:41 ... because I would listen to it when I was on the way to news radio. I would listen to the-

Tom Papa 59:46 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:46 ... radio when I was on the way to, to do the set.

Tom Papa 59:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:48 To the set.

Tom Papa 59:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:49 At sunset in Gower.

Tom Papa 59:50 Like, in the morning?

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 59:51 Right?

Joe Rogan 59:51 And in the afternoon when I was coming home.

Tom Papa 59:54 Oh, that's where you guys were, Sunset Gower?

Joe Rogan 59:55 Sunset Gower. Yeah. I think we were at CBS Radford originally-

Tom Papa 1:00:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... maybe for a little bit.

Tom Papa 1:00:02 ... right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 I did s- Hardball at CBS Radford, and then Sunset and Gower.

Tom Papa 1:00:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 I remember looking at all those other shows, like real shows, like, (gasps) .

Tom Papa 1:00:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 I wish I was on Friends, you know what I mean?

Tom Papa 1:00:13 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Everybody has envy. It's funny-

Tom Papa 1:00:14 Always. You're on a t- network show and thinking,-

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 (sighs) Dude.

Tom Papa 1:00:17 ... "Ugh, if only I could be over there." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 And to this day, it's one of my fondest memories.

Tom Papa 1:00:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 But there was, uh, a time I remember we were all sitting around the set and, uh, we, we kept getting moved. We got moved no less than nine times over the course of five years.

Tom Papa 1:00:32 Nine times?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Yeah, we just kept getting mo- w- we... See, the thing is with shows back then, in particular,-

Tom Papa 1:00:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 ... it, it all is about who owns the show.

Tom Papa 1:00:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Okay? If NBC owns the show and, you know, then you're,-

Tom Papa 1:00:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 ... you're golden. They're gonna put you in the great spot and, and hook you up and-

Tom Papa 1:00:49 Yeah, on their network. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Yeah. They're gonna put you, like, right after Friends or right after Seinfeld.

Tom Papa 1:00:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 That was the sweet (smooch) mwah.

Tom Papa 1:00:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 That was the... Thursday Night was the sweet spot, baby.

Tom Papa 1:00:57 Yeah. They used to call it the hammock spot, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 1:00:59 Between Friends and Seinfeld.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Well, yeah, yeah. Some people would call it that. And, um, it was the... We were all sitting around the set and one of the guys, uh, from th- w- you know, someone brought in the ratings.

Tom Papa 1:01:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 I'm like, "Fuck." And then everyone's complaining and this and that.

Tom Papa 1:01:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 And every, e- everyone was so down and I was like, "Hey, last time I checked, we're on fucking TV."

Tom Papa 1:01:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Like, I know, I know we're like number 80th (laughs) r- rankings.

Tom Papa 1:01:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Like, uh, my friend Lou Morton, he would cut... He was one of the writers-

Tom Papa 1:01:29 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 ... who would come in every day with a shirt with Sharpie the number that we were on.

Tom Papa 1:01:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 And one day, he came in, it said 88. I was like, "Really?"

Tom Papa 1:01:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 He's like, "Really." Like, "Fuck."

Tom Papa 1:01:39 Oh, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Newsradio was 88?

Tom Papa 1:01:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 Oh my God, we didn't do well until we got canceled.

Tom Papa 1:01:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Newsradio did great in reruns.

Tom Papa 1:01:47 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 That's when people got a chance to see how funny it was.

Tom Papa 1:01:49 Ah, that's so weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 1:01:52 That's so weird. It's weird how many times that happens too.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:01:55 Like Arrested Development and...

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Yeah, well a lot of those shows, it's all about where it is.

Tom Papa 1:01:59 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 You know?

Tom Papa 1:02:01 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 It's all about where they put it.

Tom Papa 1:02:02 Yeah. So wait, so th- y- th- it was w- on that All Talk radio, was that the guy who would, um... Oh, what was his name, who would... He would do all the voices, he would do all the characters, like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 No, he was on two though.

Tom Papa 1:02:14 ... that radio show?

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Phil Hendrie.

Tom Papa 1:02:16 Phil Hendrie. Phil Hendrie.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Phil Hendrie would,-

Tom Papa 1:02:18 The great Phil Hendrie.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 ... he would, i- and he still does it. If you never heard Phil Hendrie, he's a goddamn genius.

Tom Papa 1:02:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Phil Hendrie would answer the phone and then he would be the caller.

Tom Papa 1:02:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 So he would call up with these ridiculous... He would say ridiculous shit.

Tom Papa 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Where you're like, "How can this guy be real?"

Tom Papa 1:02:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 And people would get so angry.

Tom Papa 1:02:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 And then other people would call in like, "That man is so ignorant."

Tom Papa 1:02:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 And then he w- i- and he would say, "No ma'am, you're ignorant!"

Tom Papa 1:02:44 You'd get in fights with him? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 "I am standing here in front of the Journal of American Medicine." And he would just go on these... And most people were in on the gag.

Tom Papa 1:02:51 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 You know what I mean? I wouldn't even say most people, maybe like 60% of the people-

Tom Papa 1:02:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... were in on the gag.

Tom Papa 1:02:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 It was great. I would-

Tom Papa 1:02:56 He's so good.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 I remember p- being parked in front of my house, like, listening to it, like, "What the fuck, man?" How... (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:03:01 (laughs) What's he doing? I know. It was amazing. And I think it's still around.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 And I think it's just him.

Tom Papa 1:03:06 Yeah, I think he is. I think you're right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 What does he do these days? Does he have a radio show? Pull up Phil Hendrie.

Tom Papa 1:03:11 He's probably working, he's probably working with Uncle Floyd.

Narrator 1:03:13 Phil H- The Phil Hendrie Show?

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 The Phil Hendrie Show.

Narrator 1:03:15 The Phil Hendrie Show.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Is it on the radio?

Narrator 1:03:16 Um.

Tom Papa 1:03:18 The YouTubes?

Narrator 1:03:19 Official HQ, first 10... Today's show, exi- could spot on iTunes, SoundCloud.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 I feel about... When I h- hear about... Okay, well, that's good. 'Cause I... When I hear people that are still doing radio radio, I'm like, "Oof."

Tom Papa 1:03:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Um, do you have any other options? Is there other way... Can you get out?

Tom Papa 1:03:35 I'm on Sirius XM right now.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 That's different.

Tom Papa 1:03:37 That's different. Oh, you mean like terres-

Narrator 1:03:38 Li- list- it's satellite radio.

Tom Papa 1:03:39 You mean terrestrial?

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Yeah, like radio.

Tom Papa 1:03:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Like, over the, over the air radio.

Tom Papa 1:03:42 Yeah, I know. But you know what? There is something. Like, I've been... I was in a couple towns, Columbus, Ohio, uh, Denver even, where they have a strong terrestrial radio thing-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:03:56 ... station that's popular.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Austin does.

Tom Papa 1:03:58 Austin still does?

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Dudley and Bob.

Tom Papa 1:04:00 It's such a cool thing. And we've kind of lost something, like...

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:04:03 'Cause they're talking about the show that's coming to our town.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Yup.

Tom Papa 1:04:05 It creates a sense of community that you don't have in other things.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Right, and it's live.

Tom Papa 1:04:09 Yeah. And it's like the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 It's happening over the air. Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:04:11 "Tool's coming in this weekend."

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 1:04:13 "We're gonna go... Oh, we'll be there. You'll be there."

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 But it's also censored. That's a real issue.

Tom Papa 1:04:17 Yeah, for sure. It's not perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 I mean, you, you... I mean, look, one thing that we all owe Howard Stern a huge debt of gratitude is that he was sued by the FCC.

Tom Papa 1:04:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 I mean, he-

Tom Papa 1:04:30 Like, legit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:04:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 He was sued. He lost a shit load of money.

Tom Papa 1:04:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 The, the media company... What was the company that w- w- had his show?

Tom Papa 1:04:39 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Whatever the company was.

Tom Papa 1:04:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 They were fined hundreds of thousands of dollars-

Tom Papa 1:04:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 ... for him, l- like, for almost nothing.

Tom Papa 1:04:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 This was during the Bush administration. They were going after him.

Tom Papa 1:04:51 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Do you remember that?

Tom Papa 1:04:52 Yeah, I remember it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Dude, they went after him. They went after him hard to the point where it was scary.

Tom Papa 1:04:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Where, like, you would, you would hear about it and you're like, "What? What?"

Tom Papa 1:04:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 And, and you would hear about the things that he got fined. See if you can find the things that Howard Stern got...

Narrator 1:05:04 Oh, the top five things he got fined for. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Yeah, let's pull that up.

Tom Papa 1:05:06 Oh, really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 'Cause listen, man, uh, all... Whatever anybody wants to say about Howard Stern, that motherfucker opened the door for all of us. All of us. For me, 100%.

Tom Papa 1:05:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Okay, let me see.

Narrator 1:05:18 It's like the first thing is the Fartman stunt.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Wait, he got fined for that on television?

Narrator 1:05:21 Fined for Fartman? (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:05:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 That was on television.

Narrator 1:05:23 It wasn't that much though.

Tom Papa 1:05:23 'Cause he showed his ass?

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Um, okay. It's not really a surprise that he exposed his butt cheeks in a $10,000 gold spandex superhero costume, blah, blah, blah. Where, where does it say he got fined?

Narrator 1:05:34 Number two.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Where does it say he got fined for that?

Tom Papa 1:05:37 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 1:05:38 My guess is it says up... I don't... It said his... Oh, most outrageous offenses, I guess.

Tom Papa 1:05:42 Oh, outrageous offenses.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 Oh, no, no, no. Yeah.

Narrator 1:05:43 Sorry, hold on.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 But he was, he was-

Tom Papa 1:05:45 Aunt Jemima joke I saw. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Yeah. Well, there was a lot of stuff that he said, you know, that you would look at it today, like in terms of, like, a podcast, you'd say, "Oh, that's not even-"

Narrator 1:05:54 Yeah, it's not even... It's not like-

Tom Papa 1:05:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 "... not outrageous." So here's the things that he got fined for.

Narrator 1:05:57 There you go.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Let's make that... Look at the fucking numbers, man. August 12th, 1993, $500,000.... Infinity Broadcast Network. That's-

Tom Papa 1:06:05 Oh, right. Infinity.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 ... hard to find.

Tom Papa 1:06:06 Must be 600,000.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 $600,000 and $500,000. $600,000, December 18th, 1992. And then August 12th, 1993, $500,000. So within a year, uh, uh, six months time even-

Tom Papa 1:06:21 Look, '90 to 2004.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 But look at that. In one, in one year's time, in six months time, they get fired $1,100,000.

Tom Papa 1:06:30 Jeez Louise.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 Fucking insane, man.

Tom Papa 1:06:32 Wow. And I wonder what the offenses were.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 It's fucking crazy.

Tom Papa 1:06:35 Just language? Mostly language?

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 I'm sure it's language or subject matter-

Tom Papa 1:06:39 Yeah, yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 ... potty humor, you know. Fuck,