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The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan Experience #1488 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand up comedian, actor, and host. Check out his podcasts "Flagrant 2" & "The Brilliant Idiots" co-hosted with Charlamagne tha God. @TheAndrewSchulz

Joe RoganhostAndrew Schulzguest

Jun 9, 20202h 47mWatch on YouTube

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Comedy Store legends, Mitzi Shore’s influence, and pre-pandemic comedy’s peak
Joe and Andrew start with Comedy Store history—Mitzi Shore’s role in shaping the club’s creative chaos and how that ecosystem produced major comedians. They also touch on how the Store was thriving right before COVID shutdowns.
- •Mitzi Shore’s power as a gatekeeper and cultural force in comedy
- •The Comedy Store as an incubator for iconic comics (Pryor, Hicks, Kinison, etc.)
- •How a club like the Store makes money and becomes a landmark
- •Pre-pandemic momentum: packed rooms and a booming live scene
COVID hindsight, celebrity cases, and early-pandemic conspiracy energy
They pivot to COVID and how fear, media narratives, and incomplete data shaped public behavior. The conversation bounces between early celebrity infections (Idris Elba, Tom Hanks) and how conspiracy framing spreads when people are anxious.
- •Monday-morning quarterbacking pandemic decisions and strategy
- •Celebrities getting COVID as signal events for public fear
- •How conspiratorial thinking emerges during uncertain crises
- •Comparing COVID to flu narratives and the confusion around severity
“Science as the new religion”: heresy, shaming, and shifting guidance
Andrew argues that public discourse treats ‘science’ like a religion—questioning models or guidance can get you socially punished. Joe agrees that some topics become ‘untouchable,’ and they discuss how evolving COVID guidance fueled backlash.
- •Parallels between religious dogma and modern ‘trust the science’ rhetoric
- •Social consequences of questioning public-health claims
- •Asymptomatic spread and how policy depended on that assumption
- •Reopening debates framed as morality vs risk management
Lockdowns’ hidden costs: mental health, suicides, domestic violence, and small business collapse
Joe and Andrew emphasize second-order harms from shutdowns—suicide, depression, domestic violence, and the economic wipeout of marginal businesses. They argue public messaging underemphasized personal health, nutrition, and resilience.
- •Suicide spikes and the mental-health impact of isolation
- •Domestic violence/child abuse increases during lockdowns
- •Small businesses operating on thin margins and closure risk
- •Vitamin D, nutrition, sleep, and health habits missing from messaging
Stimulus weirdness and comics adapting: why some entertainers made more money
Andrew claims many comics unexpectedly earned more via stimulus/unemployment than middling road work. They also joke about the ‘fake’ feeling of markets and how institutions absorb shocks differently than individuals.
- •Stimulus/unemployment sometimes exceeding gig-income for comics
- •Uneven pain: individuals and small businesses vs larger systems
- •Stock market resilience as a signal of structural distortion
- •Comics’ ability to pivot quickly compared to traditional industries
Dating and consent in a paranoid era: forms, recordings, and relationship distortion
They riff on modern dating anxiety—how consent culture and social risk change flirting, hookups, and trust. Joe then uses the Chris Hardwick allegation story to illustrate how narratives can be distorted even when receipts exist.
- •Pandemic-era dating and isolation effects on singles
- •Consent culture satire: “forms,” documentation, and fear of misinterpretation
- •Chris Hardwick’s case as an example of contested narratives
- •Limits of slogans like “believe all women” and why absolutes fail
Casey Anthony, ‘hot girls who kill,’ and the danger-vs-deception difference between sexes
Joe brings up Casey Anthony to challenge blanket-belief frameworks, then the conversation spirals into dark humor about attractiveness, crime, and trust. They land on a serious point: women often fear physical harm, while men more often fear deception, reputational harm, or false claims.
- •Casey Anthony as a counterexample to unconditional belief claims
- •How attractiveness can alter perceptions of guilt and consequences
- •Men’s fears (lies, reputation, retaliation) vs women’s fears (violence, rape)
- •Power dynamics: coercion via career leverage vs physical threat
MeToo nuances: Epstein victims’ ignored voices and why the floodgates opened
Andrew explains how hearing Epstein victims’ experiences clarified the origins of MeToo for him—years of reporting without being believed. Joe agrees on systemic abuse, while both criticize simplistic slogans and discuss mutual manipulation in power systems.
- •Epstein documentary as a lens for understanding MeToo’s roots
- •Institutions ignoring complaints until public pressure forces change
- •Why “believe all women” can be weaponized while still honoring real harm
- •Power systems: predatory bosses and opportunistic participants both exist
Proxy politics and ‘identity shields’: Greta, gun-violence kids, and media strategy
Andrew outlines how political movements use spokespeople who are harder to attack—kids, minorities, outsiders—to carry messages. Joe and Andrew debate Greta Thunberg’s prominence, then broaden into who gets platformed and why.
- •Using ‘proxy’ messengers to avoid identity-based dismissal
- •Greta Thunberg and Parkland activists as rhetorical shields
- •Critique of performative councils and selective credentialing
- •How media incentives shape who becomes the face of issues
Climate change debate: models, demonization, and economy-versus-environment framing
Joe affirms climate change is real but argues debate about models and tradeoffs gets treated as moral heresy. Andrew frames it as a balance problem—address warming without collapsing the economy and harming people through downstream effects.
- •Climate change acknowledged, but uncertainty and models are contentious
- •Demonization of alternative perspectives and ‘denier’ labeling
- •Adaptation vs mitigation and realistic policy constraints
- •Economic collapse as a public-health risk (jobs, suicides, instability)
Comedy’s role as ‘sacred clown’: truth-telling, institution capture, and YouTube freedom
They discuss why independent comedy/podcasting thrives: fewer corporate restrictions, more willingness to mock all sides, and more ‘surprise’ in jokes. Joe introduces the Lakota ‘heyoka’ (sacred clown) idea—comedy as a cultural immune system against untouchable ideas.
- •How network comedy becomes predictable due to institutional alignment
- •YouTube/independent media enabling risk-taking and authenticity
- •Comedians as ecosystem managers: mocking what gains undue power
- •The ‘sacred clown’ concept and why taboo subjects invite skepticism
Conspiracies, Bigfoot, pyramids, and simulation talk: why people chase hidden truth
The conversation veers into why conspiracy theories are addictive and how a ‘shred of truth’ can power huge mythologies. They explore Bigfoot via Gigantopithecus, then Andrew’s pyramid trip and finally VR/simulation speculation as modern ‘reality-questioning’ experiences.
- •Psychology of conspiracies: puzzle-solving, status, and dissatisfaction
- •Gigantopithecus as a plausible origin for Bigfoot folklore
- •Pyramids as a ‘non-linear progress’ argument about ancient civilizations
- •VR as a gateway to simulation thinking and altered sense of reality
Epstein’s ‘too weird to be random’: kompromat theory, missing cameras, and who’s really central
They return to Epstein with suspicion about how such an operation could function and why powerful people repeatedly visited. Andrew questions the ‘Epstein alone’ narrative, pointing to Ghislaine Maxwell, Wexner, and the broader network—then they discuss the jail ‘suicide’ inconsistencies and kompromat logic.
- •Why ‘Fuck Island’ strains credibility without intelligence-style protection
- •The kompromat hypothesis: filming, leverage, and elite control
- •Ghislaine Maxwell’s role and skepticism about Epstein as sole mastermind
- •Epstein jail death anomalies: broken cameras, guarding failures, autopsy debate

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