Joe Rogan Experience #1651 - Joe List

1. 0:00 – 1:10

   Cold open: sobriety jokes, cigars, and jumping into the chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Up and at 'em. Hello, Joe list.

   4. JLJoe List0:17

      Is this it?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      This is it.

   6. JLJoe List0:19

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      This is it. So what happened? You got, you got accosted last night?

   8. JLJoe List0:21

      Oh, we're in it. This is just going.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   10. JLJoe List0:24

       Yeah. So, um, good to be here. Thanks for having me. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Good to have ya. Good to have ya.

   12. JLJoe List0:29

       Yeah. So, we're here at-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Do you need booze?

   14. JLJoe List0:31

       No, I don't drink, but I appreciate the offer.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Do you want heroin?

   16. JLJoe List0:33

       Heroin would go good, yeah. I'm still doing heroin.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       That's always like the hackiest joke. "I don't drink, but I wanna buy heroin."

   18. JLJoe List0:40

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       It's like you always go like, if someone says they don't drink, you go with something way more preposterous than drinking, like, "Oh, I'm sober."

   20. JLJoe List0:47

       Right. The other one is, uh, "Ah, quitter."

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Crack.

   22. JLJoe List0:50

       (laughs) Well, if people say quitter, that's like a big one to do.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Right. Yeah, it's a big one.

   24. JLJoe List0:53

       But, um, but no, I appreciate the offer though. I mean, this cigar I might enjoy.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       You want a cigar?

   26. JLJoe List0:58

       Sure, maybe.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       I got cigars. Yeah.

   28. JLJoe List1:00

       I'm on an empty stomach, so it might make me more jittery than I already am.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Well, give it a little, few minutes-

   30. JLJoe List1:03

       I'm a big cunt.
2. 1:10 – 5:47

   Downtown Austin scare: being confronted on the street near Sixth/Seventh

   1. JLJoe List1:10

      So yeah, we're here in Austin and I got a ride, a Lyft to the hotel. I'm staying downtown and we were coming up Sixth Street, which I don't know if you've been down there, it's changed a bit. It's like kinda overrun with street folk, homeless people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:25

      Yes. There's, there's quite a few, uh, of the, they call them unhoused. That's the new, more politically correct term.

   3. JLJoe List1:31

      Sure. I thought street people was good, but maybe that's bad. I don't know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      I think street peoples ... I don't think they like that. I don't know if there's like a homeless board.

   5. JLJoe List1:40

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:41

      Or talk about the vernacular that they appreciate it. I don't know.

   7. JLJoe List1:45

      Yeah. All right. Well, unhoused people that seem, you know, uh, unwell and they're kinda everywhere, which evidently they just passed a law, but it hasn't been enforced.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      Well, the law is only about camping.

   9. JLJoe List1:58

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       I mean, uh, you can't stop people from walking around.

   11. JLJoe List2:02

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       So that, there's always gonna be an issue. And like, uh, one of the clubs downtown is, uh, Vulcan Gas Company and, uh, that place is right catty-corner to a homeless shelter. So they're all over the place in that area.

   13. JLJoe List2:16

       That's where I think I was, on Seventh, right? Is that Seventh Street?

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       I think Vulcan is on Sixth. Is it on...

   15. Yeah, but the shelter would be on Seventh. I think so.

   16. JLJoe List2:25

       The shelter's on Seventh?

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah.

   18. JLJoe List2:26

       Yeah, I think you're right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Okay. Well, so-

   20. JLJoe List2:28

       It's in that area.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       So we drove down the street and the guy was kind of saying, "Yeah, they've taken over. It's crazy. It's scary. Be careful." Whatever.

   22. JLJoe List2:35

       The Lyft driver said?

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       Mm-hmm.

   24. Yeah. So I'm like, well, he was like a driver-driver, but so I'm already, so I'm already like in my head. And then, um, I asked the lady, I was like, "Is it safe walking around here now? It feels like it's changed a bit." And she was like, "Just avoid Sixth Street." And I was like, "All right, got it." And then, uh, I was like, "I'm gonna go to the creek, do a spot." Texted Rebecca and it's like an eight-minute walk. So I was like, "I'll walk there." Now I'm a huge pussy, anxiety, the whole thing. Although I have been doing mixed martial arts, but we can get to that later. Um, but so I was walking up the street and I'm like, "All right, so far so good." And then I started to get closer and I saw these two guys walking towards me and they seemed like, you know, ne'er-do-wells, just, you know, by the way they were presenting themselves. And then there was a guy on a bicycle, like a BMX style bike who kind of was with them and then rode ahead and kind of did like a loop behind me. So then I was like, "All right, this feels unsafe." So I kind of just moved to the street, like off the sidewalk, but still right next to the sidewalk. And then the two guys as they passed were like, "Look at this motherfucker, this racist ass motherfucker moving into the street, this white guy, this." And, uh, it seemed- You were racist because you moved into the street?

   25. JLJoe List3:49

       I think 'cause I moved into the street, but that's not what I was ... I wasn't like, "Oh, here come black guys, let me move up." But they were walking up the sidewalk, so I just was moving. So I didn't have like a...

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       A moment where you had to zig or zag-

   27. JLJoe List4:02

       Exactly.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       ... move left or right.

   29. JLJoe List4:03

       Exactly. So I stepped off the sidewalk and he kind of called that out. And then as they ... we passed each other and I could still hear him kind of like mumbling. They seemed like they were fucked up, but, um, so they were still kind of mumbling. And then I came to the intersection, which is where I guess that homeless shelter is, and there was like 40 homeless people, not like sleeping in tents or on the sidewalk, but like fighting, yelling, bottle smashing. And I was just like, "Ah, I don't feel like walking through that. That doesn't seem great." So then I looked to the right was Sixth Street where the lady was like, "Yeah, stay off of Sixth Street." And then this is all in front of an empty parking lot. So there's just nobody around, it's dark, and I'm like, "If I go left, I'm going up dark street, sidewalk." So then I was like, "I'll cross Seventh back over there and just start walking back to my hotel so I don't have to walk through whatever this scene is." And then as I was walking back that way, they were a little ways ahead of me and for whatever reason, they decided to cross back across the street. And so we just met right there and then the guy's like, "You wouldn't be following us, would you?" And I was like, "No, no, I'm just lost." And I kind of did like a, "I don't want anything to do with you guys." And then the guy got like right up into my face and was like, "You better be fucking lost. Why don't you get lost?" Like some... whatever else. I was in like panic mode, so I couldn't...

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Oof.
3. 5:47 – 7:41

   Real self-defense mindset: swallowing pride, running, and MMA training

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      It's a good move, man. You don't, you don't want to get into an altercation if you can avoid it. If you can avoid it by running, like the swallow the pride thing, like wouldn't ... like, what are you gonna do? Just get attacked? Or what are you gonna do? Fight? When you can... If you can not fight by running, you should definitely run. Like you talk to any martial arts instructor, they will always tell you that. If you can get away-

   2. ... a smart one will tell you, "Get away." A dumb one will say, "First of all-

   3. JLJoe List6:11

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:11

      ... you gotta kick him in the knee. Then-

   5. JLJoe List6:13

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      ... you gotta fuckin' poke 'em in the eye like the Three Stooges." You know, get the fuck out of there, man. Get out of there.

   7. JLJoe List6:18

      Yeah, so I, I've done a little bit of MMA training in the last couple years, and like, that's the basic idea, obviously, at whatever level, if you wanna say level. The idea is to use whatever skills to get out of harm's way. I'm not looking to inflict damage (laughs) on people.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      Sometimes, it's just people just wanna fuck with you. So these guys probably just wanted to fuck with you and make you feel uncomfortable and make you scared. 'Cause if they wanted to do something, they probably would've done something, right?

   9. JLJoe List6:43

      Yeah, that's how I felt, and I also, I literally consciously thought, "Me running gives them what they want."

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       Right.

   11. JLJoe List6:50

       They get a nice, like, "That's right, bitch."

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Right.

   13. JLJoe List6:52

       And I'm, I'm fine with that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Right.

   15. JLJoe List6:54

       I'm 39 (laughs) years old, I'm not looking to prove anything to anybody.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       (sighs)

   17. JLJoe List6:58

       And then Rebecca was like, texted, who runs The Creek, and was like, "I can send security." And I was like, (laughs) "I'll take it as a sign. I'll see you tomorrow night. I'll take a Lyft."

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       They have solid security at The Creek, though. They have some big-ass giant dudes.

   19. JLJoe List7:08

       Oh, really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       Yeah, some solid dudes.

   21. JLJoe List7:09

       Oh, good to know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       (laughs)

   23. JLJoe List7:10

       Well, tonight, I'm gonna take a Lyft. I'm good with walking. But it was scary, but I felt good because-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       I'll come get you tonight. I'll, I'll pick you up.

   25. JLJoe List7:18

       All right, I'll take it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       We, we'll talk.

   27. JLJoe List7:19

       I appreciate it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       Yeah.

   29. JLJoe List7:20

       Well, I, I, I felt good 'cause when I got back, I was like, I didn't sit there going, "You're a pussy, you piece of shit." And nor was I like, panicking. I was just like, "All right, that was crazy."

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       Yeah, it's not good. You, you're, you're always better off just swallowing pride.
4. 7:41 – 15:47

   Jiu-jitsu ‘nerd assassins’ and why fighting strangers is a bad bet

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:41

      What is, what is, you know, like, what is that? That's swallowing... Did you see that, there's a new video of a lady cop beating the shit out of a, a bunch of people in a bar? This lady cop roundhouse kicks this guy, and then this lady punches her from the side, and she fucking lines up like, a karate punch and-

   2. JLJoe List7:56

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:56

      ... and just straight blasts her in the face. And like, the ladies at the bar are all fucked up. But it's crazy, it's like, she's got her hair in a ponytail and shit, and she's, she's out there, uh, doing karate on people.

   4. JLJoe List8:06

      Well, that, I mean-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:07

      (laughs)

   6. JLJoe List8:08

      I've said this for years, it's so scary with people. Y- you can't just get in fights with people 'cause now, so many people train in mixed martial arts and all this shit, including myself, but I s-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      Yeah.

   8. JLJoe List8:18

      ... suck and I'm a cunt, but-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      Way more people than ever before.

   10. JLJoe List8:21

       Yeah, so it's like, I've met people... There's comics that I know that just look like nerdy guys, and they're like, jujitsu blue belts-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JLJoe List8:29

       ... or brown, whatever, whatever belt.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       Yeah.

   14. JLJoe List8:30

       And you're like, "That's a guy I would just be like, 'Ah, shut up you pussy,' or whatever." And then next thing you know, you're getting choked to death.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       Well, that's what's interesting about jujitsu is like, some of the very best guys are what my friend Eddie Bravo calls nerd assassins.

   16. JLJoe List8:45

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       They'll, they're, they're just like, people that are really into technique and like, d- jujitsu is, in a, in a lotta ways, like, a crazy game that you learn. And people that would be into other games get into jujitsu, and then they wind up having to use their body as like, a game piece.

   18. JLJoe List9:05

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       But they have the same sort of mentality as someone who's like, really into StarCraft or something like that, or maybe into chess, or-

   20. JLJoe List9:12

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       And yet, and l- legitimately, some of Eddie's best students are these guys that are like, very unassuming looking.

   22. JLJoe List9:19

       Yeah, that's what I'm trying to be. I wanna, I wanna be that guy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       You could be that guy.

   24. JLJoe List9:22

       I wanna guy that looks, I look-

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Yeah.

   26. JLJoe List9:24

       ... like this. I mean, this is like, a joke in my act, but I'm like, "I wanna look like this, but be one of those people that can kill you."

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Just a lot of guys that look like you, they're built like you, that are fucking assassins.

   28. JLJoe List9:34

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       Like, no bullshit.

   30. JLJoe List9:35

       Yeah, Chris Gethard is a comedian. Do you know Chris Gethard?
5. 15:47 – 17:49

   Strength weirdness: gymnastic rings, Cirque du Soleil, and Beatles ‘Love’

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      Did you ever see Love, the Love one at uh, it's all Beatle songs at um, MGM? No. Uh, Mirage Theatre.

   2. JLJoe List15:55

      No, I never saw it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      It's amazing.

   4. JLJoe List15:57

      Maybe I should go. I'm being an asshole, I've never actually seen it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      It's easy to be an asshole, we're comics.

   6. JLJoe List16:01

      That's a good point, but uh some of them-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      (laughs) Because you gotta be funny.

   8. JLJoe List16:03

      Some of them hold, stand on their head too.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:05

      Yeah.

   10. JLJoe List16:05

       Like just their head, no arms, which is also insane.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       That's not good for you.

   12. JLJoe List16:09

       No, I don't think-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       I'll tell you right now, the disks do not enjoy that.

   14. JLJoe List16:12

       No, I don't think any of that's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       You're asking, you're asking for late life trouble.

   16. JLJoe List16:15

       Yeah, I think all of that. But... I feel that way, I worry about that with uh... Oh, here they are.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Yeah. Love is amazing because uh... Are you a Beatles fan?

   18. JLJoe List16:23

       I am.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah, I love the Beatles, and this is all Beatles songs. And you... I, last time I went I was barbecued, and when you are there in this like sort of very surreal, fantastic theater environment with sounds and lights and everything, and, and you see the athleticism that these people have, the... And then you hear the amazing songs, you kind of forget how good like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is. You forget how good some of their fucking songs are, and then you see it with this. It's a perfect complement. It's incredibly well like orchestrated and, and designed. It's great. I love it. I've, I've been to it twice with my family.

   20. JLJoe List17:03

       Oh, wow. Yeah, it looks cool. I'll, I'll, I'll check it out.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       It's really good.

   22. JLJoe List17:07

       I'm sorry I shit on Cirque du Soleil. I'm a dick.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       Well, this is the best one that I've seen. I've seen a few of them. I've seen um, three? Yeah, I've seen three Cirque du Soleil shows. I've seen Mystere, I think that's one that I saw. There's another one I think they used to have at Mandalay Bay, I don't know if they have it anymore, but it was... I believe it was a Cirque du Soleil with Michael Jackson music.

   24. JLJoe List17:27

       Oh, fun. Uh can they do that still?

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Which is... It's an odd one. Yeah, right? Like you kind of can. Like Michael Jackson is the only con... Because I guess because he died without being convicted.

   26. JLJoe List17:38

       Yeah, he still plays at Starbucks.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       Yeah.

   28. JLJoe List17:40

       Like I go into Starbucks and I'm like, "I think this guy like came on children's asses."

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       Maybe.

   30. JLJoe List17:45

       And it's just playing.
6. 17:49 – 36:15

   Michael Jackson theories: castrato idea, early recordings, and fame-induced weirdness

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:49

      I think he was a castrato.

   2. JLJoe List17:51

      What's that mean?

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:51

      That's what I think. It's a, a person who was, uh, castrated to preserve their voice. That's what his doctor said, and there's actually a theory that I had before his doctor said it. His doctor went to jail for giving him Propofol, did I say it?

   4. JLJoe List18:05

      I think so, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:07

      ... he gave him, you know, anesthesia, knocked him out every night because he could, like he was so neurotic and crazy that he couldn't sleep.

   6. NANarrator18:13

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:13

      And so, he would anesthetize him every night. That same doctor went to jail for that, and then when he came out, he gave this sort of like detailed story about how his father had chemically castrated him when he was young to preserve his voice. It sounds crazy, but first of all, this guy's a doctor saying this. He doesn't have anything to gain or lose. And then you look at his body in comparison to his brother's. Like if you look at like Tito and Germaine, they're men. They're like these thick m-... They look like a, like thick men.

   8. NANarrator18:45

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:45

      Right? And he's super slender with no muscle mass at all, just very sleek and his voice is really high-pitched. And his singing voice is incredible, right? But it's very high-pitched. And there's these people that existed in, I mean, I don't know when it started, but there's one recording. There's, it's a historical th- fact that there's these people called castratas or castratos, castratis, castratis, I guess. And they would take young kids and castrate them when they were young so that they never developed any testosterone. And because of that, they maintained a singing voice, and it's a haunting singing voice. There's only, there's at least one that's available on YouTube that you could listen to and you hear the guy sing and you're like, "Oh my God." Like this was someone who didn't make this choice for himself. Someone, whoever it was, gave him off to whoever who castrated him as a young boy before his testosterone hit, and he's got this strange voice. And this voice was something that they cultivated and that they would, they would specifically choose boys who sang to never become men.

   10. NANarrator20:03

       And what, what period of time is this? Is this like the '70s or like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       Well, they have a recording. So this recording has to... I, I don't think there was any recordings until-

   12. NANarrator20:11

       Like 1700s or so.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       Right. Well, they did it in the 1700s, but the recording... When was, when was the-

   14. NANarrator20:17

       Oh, yeah. The recording wouldn't be from the 1700s.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       Right. When, when was the recording invented? Like when did they invent records? Let's take a guess. When do you think they invented records?

   16. NANarrator20:26

       Oh boy. Uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       I wanna, I wanna say it was like 1800s, like late 1800s.

   18. NANarrator20:30

       Y- yeah. That sounds right. I mean, is the, is the radio before recordings?

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       (sighs)

   20. NANarrator20:37

       Or is that a recorder? I don't know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       That's a good question.

   22. NANarrator20:38

       I'm an idiot. I look like a guy that knows things and is smart, but I'm pretty dumb.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       I think if I had to guess that the record player was first and the radio was second.

   24. NANarrator20:49

       That makes sense. All right. I'm gonna say 18... I'm trying to think of like Westerns. You never see them listening to records in Westerns.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       Remember those ... Well, you remember those record players they used to have where they put the needle down and it was like a giant tuba? There wasn't a speaker.

   26. NANarrator20:59

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       Like the sound came out of the needle itself.

   28. NANarrator21:02

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       It was like a tuba attached to the needle. What-

   30. NANarrator21:05

       I'm gonna say f- ... So I kinda know some of it, so I don't wanna look it up and cheat.
7. 36:15 – 50:13

   Language, identity, and Indigenous rights: terms, treaties, and resource rules

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:15

      It's really different. Well, it's like the term Eskimo. Some people tell you the term Eskimo is, uh, offensive, but then in some parts of the world...... some parts of this c- I think in Alaska, they actually call themselves Eskimos. And they prefer to be called... I don't... I might be fucking this up. But some places, it's Inuit. And then in, um, Canada, they don't call themselves Indians. They call themselves First Nation.

   2. JLJoe List36:39

      Ah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:40

      So it's different up there. And they have all these... It's very strange. Like they have all these different rules for fir- First Nation people when it comes to, like, wildlife resources. Like you can catch as many fish as you want. You could shoot a moose with a flashlight. You could just get a- (gunshot firing) a... Really. You could get a floodlight.

   4. JLJoe List36:54

      What do you mean? Oh, like a, a flashlight on a gun?

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:57

      You can put a floodlight so the moose is, like, frozen, it doesn't know what to do, and then you blast him at night.

   6. JLJoe List37:01

      Oh, I see.

   7. JRJoe Rogan37:02

      You can hunt at nighttime. Y- you have no rules, and you can hunt them all year round. Like, they can always take from the land whatever they want.

   8. JLJoe List37:10

      That seems fair, I guess, or is that not fair? I don't know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan37:13

      Well, it depends upon, uh, the access to resources, like, uh, w- what, what, what is the moose population like? Are they decimating the population with these practices? What are they doing with the meat? If they could shoot as many moose as they want, are they shooting three, four, five moose a night and giving them out to friends? Is the m- is... Uh, uh, how are they managing the, the resources? Like there's a reason why, in most of these places, like, uh, s- I could speak about North America 'cause I, I have more understanding of it. The wildlife biologists will take, like, a survey of the animals, and they do it a bunch of different ways. They'll do it with helicopters. They'll fly over with planes, and they'll get an assessment of, like, say, of, like, mountain goats. They're like, "Okay, we've, we counted 200 mountain goats in this particular mountain range, and we've decided that we can give out 10 tags with, uh, a, an estimate of a 50% success rate, which is usually pretty high, and say that... So we lose five animals. They're gonna have a bunch of babies, and some of those babies are gonna... We'll, we'll maintain this, a healthy population." And this is how wildlife, uh, biologists estimate how many animals can be removed from a specific population while keeping it healthy. So I don't know how they do it in Canada. I assume they probably do it the same way. If they do do that, so you have one rule for everybody else, and then you have another rule for the First Nation people.

   10. JLJoe List38:38

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:38

       And the First Nation people, like, we went walleye fishing. When you go walleye fishing, you can only keep one walleye per day unless you're First Nation people. So we were st- sitting on this pier. We were standing on this pier, and we're catching fish next to these other folks that were just... They just kept catching them. They'd catch walleyes and just, just k- kept keeping them. When we caught one walleye, we were done, and then you could only keep northern pike after that. But they could keep whatever they want.

   12. JLJoe List39:03

       Interesting. Now can you pretend to be Native American? I mean, you look... You, you could pass, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:07

       Uh...

   14. JLJoe List39:07

       I mean, do you have to have, like, a card? How does it work? Does your face have to be painted? Like what is the, um-

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:12

       (laughs)

   16. JLJoe List39:12

       ... what is the...

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       I think you probably have some sort of First Nation ID or something like that if I had to guess.

   18. JLJoe List39:18

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       I'm guessing.

   20. JLJoe List39:20

       I mean, that's kind of- (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:21

       (laughs)

   22. JLJoe List39:21

       That's kind of funny too that you just got to be like, "I'm cool."

   23. JRJoe Rogan39:24

       But I mean, I mean if you have an ID that says you're, you know, you live in South Dakota-

   24. JLJoe List39:27

       I guess so.

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       ... you know? It's, it's, uh... I mean, that's like the Indian reservation thing here in North America, right, in, or in, uh, the United States. Like, they can open up casinos.

   26. JLJoe List39:42

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan39:42

       And if you're a s-... In some of these places where they have casinos, you get a check if you are a certain percentage of the tribe. Say, if you're, like, uh, you know, one-eighth or... I don't know what the number is, but one... A percentage, uh, you know, Apache or what have you. Tribal identification cards are issued by tribes as proof of your enrollment and membership in a tribe. Federally recognized tribal issued ID card is also a valid form of government-issued photo identification in many places. Um, this is, uh, Canada, or is this America?

   28. NANarrator40:15

       That's America. I typed in... (clears throat) I first typed in, like, First Nation, and I was only getting Canada, so I typed in-

   29. JRJoe Rogan40:20

       Hmm.

   30. NANarrator40:20

       ... Native American.
8. 50:13 – 1:01:10

   Osage murders and Scorsese talk: ‘Killers of the Flower Moon’ and film greatness

   1. JLJoe List50:13

      Yeah. Rocky's the best. I watched-

   2. JRJoe Rogan50:14

      That was the 20 ... 200th anniversary of our co- ... our great country.

   3. JLJoe List50:18

      Right. I watched Rocky. I had, like, neuro virus, and I was puking and shitting like crazy in a hotel in, um, in, uh, Long Island.

   4. JRJoe Rogan50:26

      Neuro virus?

   5. JLJoe List50:27

      That was, like, insane. I mean, I was ... It's the sickest I've ever been. It was like I was kicking heroin. Like, I was literally shitting and puking at the same time in the shower.

   6. JRJoe Rogan50:34

      What's a, what's a neuro virus?

   7. JLJoe List50:35

      I think that's what it's called, right? Now, I'm just-

   8. NANarrator50:37

      It's norovirus.

   9. JLJoe List50:38

      Norovirus?

   10. NANarrator50:39

       Norovirus.

   11. JLJoe List50:39

       Ah, fuck. Is that ... Does that mean anything more to you?

   12. JRJoe Rogan50:42

       Well, yeah. Neuro is like nerves and, like, neurons.

   13. JLJoe List50:44

       Oh, no. Sorry.

   14. NANarrator50:44

       (laughs)

   15. JLJoe List50:45

       No, I meant ... How do you say it?

   16. NANarrator50:47

       Noro, norovirus.

   17. JRJoe Rogan50:48

       Noro. Norovirus. What is that shit? "Very contagious virus that causes vomiting and diarrhea. People of all ages can get infected and sick with norovirus. Norovirus spreads easily." Look at the exclamation point.

   18. NANarrator51:00

       (laughs)

   19. JLJoe List51:00

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       What does that ... What's up with that? "People with norovirus illness can shed billions of norovirus particles."

   21. JLJoe List51:07

       I'm glad I didn't-

   22. JRJoe Rogan51:07

       "And only a few virus particles can make other people sick." Holy shit.

   23. JLJoe List51:12

       I mean, I think that's what I had. I mean, I had the puking and shitting. I don't think I got everyone sick. Maybe I did, and I just left a wake of death and sh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan51:19

       Puking and shitting people.

   25. JLJoe List51:19

       ... shit behind me.

   26. JRJoe Rogan51:19

       (laughs)

   27. JLJoe List51:20

       But I was watching it. I was having, like, throw up in 20-minute intervals. And, um, I was watching Rocky, and I just started sobbing. I got, like, emotional. I just lost it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:30

       (singing)

   29. JLJoe List51:30

       (laughs) The scene where he's laying in bed with Adrian, the first movie. I, I kinda hate the rest of them, but he's laying there, and he's like, "I just wanna prove I'm not another bum from the neighborhood." And I just started, like, sobbing. And my wife was like, "What's wrong with you, you fucking loser?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:44

       Ah.
9. 1:01:10 – 1:18:51

   Norovirus, show business, and comedians’ grossest bonding rituals

   1. JLJoe List1:01:10

      Bobby's the guy... We smoke at a cigar place. Now, Bobby's... I don't know where you f- well, you're a very big celebrity, I guess. But Bobby's a guy that doesn't mind mentioning that he's a comedian in mixed company. I've never told anybody I'm a comedian in my life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

      Hmm.

   3. JLJoe List1:01:24

      But like, we'll be at, like, a cigar lounge and he's just talking comedy. I'm like, "What are you gu- people are gonna overhear us." And then s- guys are like, "Hey, I can't help but overhear." And I'm like, "Oh, fuck." Now, we gotta, like, talk comedy with these people.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

      Yeah. If people don't know what I do for a living, it's always, uh, one of them, I gotta pick a thing that I tell them.

   5. JLJoe List1:01:43

      I do that. I always say... I was talking to Brian Regan. I'm really name-dropping here. Uh, but I was hanging out with Brian Regan.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

      (laughs)

   7. JLJoe List1:01:49

      And, um, we were talking about our fake jobs on the road, and I said... I always say I'm visiting, "My friend just had a baby. That's why I'm in town," if a c- cab driver asked me. And it always worked and nobody ever questioned it, but then Regan was like, "What?" He's like, "Who gets on a plane to go visit their friend's baby?" (laughs) And he's... And then Regan goes into his Regan voice and he's like, "My friend had a baby in St. Louis, and next week my friend had a baby in Kansas City."

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

      (laughs)

   9. JLJoe List1:02:15

      He's doing the whole thing shitting on me. But he was telling a story where him and his brother golfed, and it was just the two of them, and they put him with another pair, uh, two other guys.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       Dennis? The, uh-

   11. JLJoe List1:02:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:24

       ... the other comic?

   13. JLJoe List1:02:25

       Yeah. And they, their thing was they said, "We're painters." That's like their thing that they always say.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

       Oh.

   15. JLJoe List1:02:29

       But golfing, it's like a four-hour day. So people naturally start asking questions about-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

       What kind of paint you like?

   17. JLJoe List1:02:35

       Yeah. And he's like, "We had not thought it through at all."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       Wow.

   19. JLJoe List1:02:38

       So he... And then Regan's doing... I, I... You can't even impersonate Regan-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:41

       Yeah.

   21. JLJoe List1:02:41

       ... because he's so funny that it's not worth it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:43

       "Yeah, p- p- paint."

   23. JLJoe List1:02:44

       He's like, "Yeah, we use the, uh, the, the outdoor paint." And he's doing the whole... And I'm, like, on the floor laughing. I mean, that guy is like the funniest guy.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:50

       He's so funny and he's such a nice guy. He's, he's one of the best examples of that you do not have to swear or be dirty to be ridiculously funny.

   25. JLJoe List1:03:00

       Yeah. No.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:00

       Some people, some people say, "Oh, I only like guys who swear." Like, uh, go see Brian Regan.

   27. JLJoe List1:03:07

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:07

       You know? 'Cause he's, he'll... And his stuff, like, on paper, like, try to, try to take this concept and turn it into what he does. Like, you're not gonna do it. It's like he's got his style down where he could kind of talk about anything. You know, "Fuck, yeah. Coffee. I like a coffee."

   29. JLJoe List1:03:24

       Yeah. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:24

       And the next thing, he's got a bit on coffee.

Episode duration: 2:49:29