CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 2:54
Texas reunion, choke attempts, and why jiu-jitsu is addictive
Joe welcomes Andrew to Texas and they immediately riff on Schulz trying (and failing) to choke Joe out the night before. The conversation turns into why jiu-jitsu is uniquely appealing: you can go near-100% effort, learn real resistance, and build practical confidence.
- •Schulz jokes about "choking Joe out" and learns how hard it is to get under the chin
- •Rogan explains body types that excel in jiu-jitsu (long limbs, leverage)
- •Why jiu-jitsu allows intense effort without the same damage as striking
- •Practical benefit: training against full resistance prepares you for real altercations
- 2:54 – 7:47
Olympic karate controversy: knockouts, point fighting, and kata ‘dancing’ medals
They react to the viral Olympic karate clip where a competitor gets KO’d but wins because the other fighter is disqualified for excessive contact. From there, they roast the idea of kata as a medal event while debating how forms relate to real fighting ability.
- •Watching the Olympic KO/disqualification and questioning the rules
- •Difference between karate point formats and sports that allow knockouts (e.g., taekwondo)
- •Kata as choreography vs combat efficacy; comparisons to gymnastics/shadowboxing
- •Rogan concedes forms can help movement—but still questions awarding medals for them
- 7:47 – 10:39
Birthday gifts, Austin weirdness, and the ‘New York is doomed’ debate
Schulz gives Rogan a birthday present and they joke about aging, partying, and the infamous “Golden Tiger” dinner. A wild story about a near-naked man with a knife breaking into Schulz’s complex becomes a springboard for arguing about whether New York or Austin is more chaotic.
- •Rogan’s birthday moment and Schulz’s custom shirt gift
- •Schulz’s story: thong-wearing intruder with a knife at their Austin complex
- •Rogan’s ongoing critique of NYC safety and disorder; Schulz pushes back
- •Quick riffs on culture, crime videos, and what counts as ‘dangerous’
- 10:39 – 18:54
Cuomo scandal satire and ‘I’m Italian’ as a defense
Jamie introduces Kyle Dunnigan’s Cuomo parody, and they watch and laugh through it. The conversation expands into Cuomo’s real defense video montage and how public figures try to normalize inappropriate behavior as cultural warmth.
- •Watching Dunnigan’s ‘Rock & Chalk’ Cuomo parody and breaking down the jokes
- •Viewing Cuomo’s real defense video of kissing/hugging and mocking the strategy
- •Debating what’s harmless old-school tactility vs serious accusations
- •Humor about cultural excuses and how audiences receive them
- 18:54 – 21:57
Biden sniffing clips, cognitive decline, and power corrupting in politics
Schulz compares Cuomo’s vibe to Biden’s public awkwardness, arguing people over-index on optics vs competence. Rogan argues the public behavior is itself a sign of decline, and they widen the lens to presidents, scandal fatigue, and how power attracts predators.
- •Back-and-forth on the ‘sniffing kids’ compilation and public discomfort
- •Cognitive decline vs ‘old-person habits’ framing
- •Broader talk: leaders using power sexually (JFK, Clinton, Trump comparisons)
- •Theme: society’s limited attention span for sustained outrage
- 21:57 – 28:36
Epstein aftermath: blackmail theory, Ghislaine’s role, and why people stop caring
They dig into why the Epstein story feels unresolved: potential kompromat, elite networks, and massive payoffs. Schulz frames it as ‘issue saturation’—too many crises competing for attention—while Rogan emphasizes the stakes if blackmail tapes existed.
- •Rogan’s blackmail/kompromat scenario and ‘Fuck Island’ recordings
- •Leon Black example and how money trails keep appearing
- •Why public attention fades: crisis overload vs deliberate suppression
- •Speculation about Maxwell’s recruitment role and the psychology of intermediaries
- 28:36 – 37:18
Comedy audiences, ‘woke’ pushback, and how to build jokes for hostile rooms
Schulz explains how New York crowds can be performative or cautious, especially when people attend with coworkers. Rogan argues that mixed lineups (Cellar/Store-style) force comics to refine material, creating a ‘cross-training’ effect that sharpens stand-up.
- •Why certain crowds groan: social risk, workplace dynamics, unfamiliar comedy contexts
- •Schulz’s shift from anger at audiences to empathy for social pressure
- •Rogan’s point: mixed bills teach you to ‘finesse’ skeptics and structure premises
- •Value of small/weird shows and live feedback for writing and tagging jokes
- 37:18 – 44:21
Schulz’s near-drowning surfing story and BJ Penn’s wave-pool nightmare
Schulz recounts nearly drowning in Lanai when his leash wrapped on coral and he ran out of air underwater. He connects survival to a tip he’d recently learned, then shares BJ Penn’s terrifying story of being sucked into a wave pool’s engine room.
- •Why Lanai is a bad bet for surf—until ‘once-in-a-decade’ waves arrive
- •Leash/coral entanglement, inhaling water, and the ‘slow motion’ survival focus
- •How a remembered technique helped him free himself and surface
- •BJ Penn wave-pool suction story and how endurance training can save lives
- 44:21 – 52:28
North Korea debate: skepticism vs documented atrocities and propaganda
Schulz questions whether some North Korea escape stories are exaggerated or shaped by competing propaganda, while Rogan insists the regime’s brutality is well documented. They discuss escape barriers, camps, public executions, and the performative mourning footage after Kim Jong Il’s death.
- •Discrepancies in defector narratives vs state efforts to discredit escapees
- •Landmines, border controls, and why escaping is now harder
- •Camps, multigenerational punishment, and reported public executions
- •Watching mourning videos and debating what’s real vs staged/pressured behavior
- 52:28 – 55:52
Miami ‘balling,’ Europe tour ideas, and building a traveling content crew
Rogan teases Schulz about leveling up in Miami—watch, lifestyle, and momentum—and floats the idea of a Europe-based run mixing shows and podcasts. Schulz outlines his large touring crew and the roles behind modern comedy production (openers, directing, documentary, deal-making).
- •Rogan’s pitch: a month+ in Italy with weekend shows and weekday pods
- •Schulz’s crew breakdown: opener, director, doc shooter, and ‘truffle pig’ deal finder
- •Discussion of how scale changes logistics vs smaller scenes like Miami
- •Side riffs on Steve Bannon/Nicolas Cage resemblance and comedian news cycles
- 55:52 – 1:14:27
Australia lockdowns, variants, vaccines, monoclonals, and ‘leaky’ protection
They react to Tim Dillon’s Australia jokes and use it to critique strict lockdown policy and quarantine rules. The conversation shifts into variants (Lambda), monoclonal antibody success stories, and debate about vaccine incentives, breakthrough cases, and risk perception.
- •Australia’s harsh lockdowns and long quarantines; why people accept them
- •Lambda variant fears and uncertainty about vaccine performance against it
- •Rogan’s monoclonal antibody anecdote: rapid symptom shutdown when taken early
- •Schulz’s ‘risk/reward’ framing for vaccine hesitancy vs COVID fear levels
- 1:14:27 – 1:26:16
Border COVID testing, ICE detention centers, and who’s running the Biden admin
Rogan and Schulz question the logic of requiring tests for legal travel while allegedly not testing many migrants in detention settings. Jamie pulls data about limited ICE testing, prompting Rogan to argue it’s politically concealed; they end with riffs about Biden’s confusion and implausible statistics.
- •Debate: are migrants tested in detention/processing centers?
- •Jamie’s findings: partial testing, lack of transparency, high positivity rates in early reports
- •Rogan’s argument about crowded facilities spreading infection regardless of initial status
- •Satire about Biden’s public gaffes and who actually makes decisions
- 1:26:16 – 1:33:59
Tequila, cigars, ‘allowed’ accents, and how corporate virtue signaling works
They take tequila shots, light up cigars, and slide into a cultural conversation about what kinds of impressions or words are considered acceptable. The thread becomes a critique of performative progressivism—how corporations use diversity messaging as a distraction from exploitative behavior.
- •Cigar/tequila ritual and quick talk on Cuban cigar mystique vs other regions
- •Why some accents/terms are ‘allowed’ and others labeled racist (Chinaman vs Irishman, etc.)
- •Apu controversy and the argument that representation got misread as harm
- •Corporate ‘rainbow-washing’ and diversity as PR cover for destructive practices
- 1:33:59 – 3:11:12
Drones, metadata targeting, Yemeni diaspora, boxing legends, and the car/F1 rabbit hole
They riff from Yemen and drone strikes into how modern targeting can rely on phone metadata, leading to civilian deaths and extremist recruitment. The mood pivots into sports and toys: Prince Naseem highlights, Pacquiao talk, Errol Spence’s crash, Rogan’s Porsche obsession, F1 speed comparisons, and stimulants—ending with a note on performance focus and relationship chaos around fighters.
- •Drone strike ethics and how metadata/phone tracking can misidentify targets
- •Yemeni community in NYC and toughness shaped by diaspora + neighborhood realities
- •Boxing nostalgia: Prince Naseem Hamed, showmanship, and impact on lighter weight divisions
- •Cars and speed culture: Rogan’s Gunther Works Porsche, Tesla vs ‘tactile’ driving, F1 performance gap
- •Adderall/efficiency talk, and how total-focus activities (comedy/fighting/surfing) block out life stress
