Joe Rogan Experience #1716 - Steven Rinella

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) You ate meat tobacco growing up?

   4. SRSteven Rinella0:14

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Tell me about this.

   6. SRSteven Rinella0:15

      Well, I was- I was telling this story the other day.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs)

   8. SRSteven Rinella0:19

      Um, when I was in-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      You swallowed it?

   10. SRSteven Rinella0:20

       I was just telling this story, 'cause we- we- we had a toba-, we had some, bunch of the guys I work with, uh, and then this other dude, Jared Outlaw, who are all big dip guys. We were having a conversation about dip, and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Is Jared the f- the flip-flop fleshers?

   12. SRSteven Rinella0:35

       No, no, no.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       No, that's Seth.

   14. SRSteven Rinella0:36

       No, that's a guy named Seth. All of, a lot of the guys I used to work with, or not, a lot of the guys I work with did, uh, and do, you know, they're horrible tobacco addicts.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Dippers.

   16. SRSteven Rinella0:47

       Dip.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   18. SRSteven Rinella0:47

       'Cause they're all workers, so they, they don't smoke 'cause it keeps their hands free. Um, but I was explaining to them my aversion, and I, and I feel like it traces to when I was in fifth grade, we had to make agricultural maps of the United States of America. And you had to glue the pro-, you know, like the products, so like you get to South Dakota and you glue like a little corn kernel.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Right, I remember those.

   20. SRSteven Rinella1:09

       Yeah, put some wheat, you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yeah.

   22. SRSteven Rinella1:11

       Uh, and for whatever reason, like Vir- for Virginia, we had tobacco and someone had brought in, I can't even remember what it was, like must've been loose leaf or plug. And, uh, me and my buddy, uh, I don't even know if he, if this dude remembers. But me and my buddy Stanley Johnson, um, ate, we took it out in the playground and ate some.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       (laughs)

   24. SRSteven Rinella1:35

       And I, dude, I was, I was, I hallucinated twice as a child.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       (laughs)

   26. SRSteven Rinella1:41

       Once on, uh, once when I had to get a root canal, um, and once when we ate that tobacco. I mean, I was, I was no- I was hallucinating.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       What were you seeing?

   28. SRSteven Rinella1:52

       I can't even remember. My mom had to come get me.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       (laughs)

   30. SRSteven Rinella1:57

       She had to come fetch me from school.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   They are so fucking…

   1. SRSteven Rinella15:00

      there, like, while he shot the turkey.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      They are so fucking bold, those things.

   3. SRSteven Rinella15:04

      Yeah. I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      They're so clever too.

   5. SRSteven Rinella15:06

      They come in, um... One of my buddies, Seth, I think they called in three coyotes turkey hunting in one day this spring.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      Wow.

   7. SRSteven Rinella15:12

      I've had, I've had bear, black bears, bobcats, uh, sorry, black, a black, a black bear, a bobcat, many coyotes come in to turkey calls. But I have never had the lion thing. But I got a few friends that have done lions, and I feel that that is like the greatest. That's a good achievement.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Did you... Were you the one who told me the story about turkey hunting where you s- you heard something behind you and it was a bear?

   9. SRSteven Rinella15:37

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Was that you?

   11. SRSteven Rinella15:37

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Okay.

   13. SRSteven Rinella15:37

       I heard it exhale. I didn't know it was there until it exhaled in my ear.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       How far away?

   15. SRSteven Rinella15:43

       I mean-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       Inches.

   17. SRSteven Rinella15:45

       Me to you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Oh, Jesus.

   19. SRSteven Rinella15:46

       No, I'm not joking, man.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       (laughs)

   21. SRSteven Rinella15:47

       Like, exhaled in my ear. It was like he got there and couldn't figure out what was going on and all of a sudden I heard him go... And I turned and just... Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Whew, how big was he?

   23. SRSteven Rinella15:57

       I don't know. I don't know. I honestly didn't... It was so, like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Freaky?

   25. SRSteven Rinella16:01

       ... disconcerting, and he was gone so fast, but, uh, yeah, I, I wouldn't be able to say.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       I think that all these people that vote against mountain lion hunting-

   27. SRSteven Rinella16:10

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       ... and have this perception of mountain lions need to be around one. They need to experience that just to understand that those things need to be managed or they will kill your kids. Like, you really-

   29. SRSteven Rinella16:19

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       ... need to see it.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. SRSteven Rinella30:00

      him. Uh, the other guy that shot him felt so bad that he quit hunting and he had to, uh, befriend him and make him comfortable to go hunting again. So, one person took an adversarial approach-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      (laughs)

   3. SRSteven Rinella30:19

      ... to the man he shot and one person was deeply repentant, to the point where he gave up the discipline.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      I was watching a video yesterday of a woman who rear-ended this guy in a Lamborghini and then got out and started screaming and yelling at him-

   5. SRSteven Rinella30:30

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:30

      ... that he hit her car. And the guy was laugh- did you see that video?They show the video from the gas station, the guy's like, "What the fuck are you talking..." And then she gets mad at him for being white.

   7. SRSteven Rinella30:39

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      But she's white. Isn't she white?

   9. SRSteven Rinella30:41

      (laughs)

   10. NANarrator30:41

       Kinda.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       I don't know. She looked white. But I mean, it was like a literal crazy person, like maybe just trying to make up an excuse for why she was in a car accident, but she clearly takes a turn, slams into this guy's car. The guy pulls over into the gas station, she gets out and knocks on his door, "You hit my fucking car," and squeezing, screaming and yelling at him. People are nuts. Like, you shoot a person, you should definitely fucking apologize because you didn't even-

   12. SRSteven Rinella31:04

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       ... you didn't even look. I mean-

   14. SRSteven Rinella31:06

       The guy-

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       ... did you think that guy was a turkey?

   16. SRSteven Rinella31:08

       The guy that got shot twice, his name is Preston Pittman, uh ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       What was the story with the first one?

   18. SRSteven Rinella31:13

       So, that's, that was a good friend of mine, Robert. And-

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Who shot him?

   20. SRSteven Rinella31:17

       No, no, no, no. Oh, the guy that got shot twice?

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Yeah, who shot him the first time they wanted to fight him?

   22. SRSteven Rinella31:22

       To, uh, he, I don't know a lot of details about the guy that wanted to fight.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       But that's a crazy person, right?

   24. SRSteven Rinella31:26

       Yeah. The guy shot him and then got mad at him for making a gobble.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       But he didn't even look.

   26. SRSteven Rinella31:32

       Hm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       That's what's so crazy.

   28. SRSteven Rinella31:33

       Saw movement. Listen, man. You know, uh ...

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       How bad did he get shot? 20 gauge?

   30. SRSteven Rinella31:42

       I can't remember but yeah, he got bad, penetrated his skin. He got bad, like, in, in, in his skin. My friend Robert that got shot, he was saying to me, he was saying... We were talking about, we were talking about what size shot, like what size shotgun pellets you use to hunt turkeys. Robert Abernathy was saying to me how he's like, "Man," um, I don't (laughs) I can't remember what size it was. It was like a large pellet, maybe twos or something, and he said, "You shouldn't be able to use those. Those things hurt."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. SRSteven Rinella45:00

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      See, this is the thing about it. Like people think that they do it because they wanna make you mad. It's not. They do whatever you're interested in.

   4. SRSteven Rinella45:08

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Like my friend Ari, he did this experiment where he went on YouTube and only looked at puppy videos, and all it would show him is videos of puppies. Like every time he went on YouTube, it's puppies.

   6. SRSteven Rinella45:17

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Yeah.

   8. SRSteven Rinella45:18

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      But when you get into the comments, that's when you find out that YouTube is a social media platform.

   10. SRSteven Rinella45:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       'Cause you know... Well also, not- not just that, but creeps have used comments. Like they've gone to certain, uh, websites and this is like how they've caught people for like sex trafficking.

   12. SRSteven Rinella45:36

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       And, uh, there was a bunch of these weird fucking kid videos. I don't know if you're know- aware of these. They don't understand what was going on, they don't know how, know how these things were made or why they were made, but there was a bunch of kid-friendly looking videos. So it would be like Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse, but then they would get drunk and like fall down and bust their head open and it was, it was really weird.

   14. SRSteven Rinella46:03

       Huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       But these videos would show up in like if a kid was looking at cartoons and if you're one of those parents that just like gives your kid an iPad and just go ahead, your kid would watch normal cartoon videos and then all of a sudden in the feed because of the algorithm, these, uh, it was like Spider-Man was a bunch of them.

   16. NANarrator46:22

       Here's a for instance screenshot.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       Oh, jeez.

   18. NANarrator46:25

       This was, uh, Elsagate stuff.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       Oh, yeah. That's what-

   20. NANarrator46:28

       I'm not showing this online, it's just for you guys to see.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Yeah. Elsagate was one where Elsa from Frozen, there was a- a ton of these videos where kids were-

   22. NANarrator46:38

       Huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       ... looking up Elsa videos. So because they were looking up Elsa videos, all these other videos that were also Elsa videos showed up in them, and apparently what was going on is like inside the comments... Am I wrong about this? Inside the comments there was like people who got arrested for doing-

   24. NANarrator46:56

       Uh, yeah. That's where I, I don't know. I want, I'm not gonna say that didn't happen. I don't know. Yeah, there are FBI investigation... da, da, da. Yeah, they're, it got crossed over into like the pedophile genre-

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       Yeah, so Pedos-

   26. NANarrator47:09

       ... they were using code words and stuff.

   27. SRSteven Rinella47:11

       Mm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Yeah, they were using these comments like they would meet up on certain videos and they would communicate inside the comments of those videos with code, and that's how they got away with communicating-

   29. SRSteven Rinella47:23

       Got it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:24

       ... publicly about certain things. And I don't know if they were child porn or what, whatever, what they were involved with-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:57

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. SRSteven Rinella1:00:00

      jumpy people."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SRSteven Rinella1:00:02

      You know? But then-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Yeah.

   5. SRSteven Rinella1:00:02

      ... other ... But then I see that, that I hear that they were at their friends on YouTube, like unfettered YouTube access, and I'm like, "Oh my God. Oh my God." (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Right. They're gonna believe in QAnon.

   7. SRSteven Rinella1:00:14

      You know? Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      Yeah.

   9. SRSteven Rinella1:00:15

      And it's just like we all find our ways to be, you know ... We all find our ways to tr- like try to find some way to be comfortable and try to find some way to not be overdoing something or underdoing something.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Yeah. Well, I think kids for sure need some form of adversity to work through, and I think sports are really great for that for kids. You get, need to learn how to lose.

   11. SRSteven Rinella1:00:36

       But man, I know some stunted people that played a lot of sports.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Yeah, it's not bet-

   13. SRSteven Rinella1:00:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       Yeah, it's not a 100% guarantee. But it is a guarantee that if you've never encountered any loss at all-

   15. SRSteven Rinella1:00:46

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       ... that you're fucked.

   17. SRSteven Rinella1:00:47

       Any challenge. Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Yeah. No challenge at all, no adversity at all, you know? And then dependent upon the kind of parenting that you received. I mean, it's not that i- it's a, it's not that it is a deal breaker, like you have to have sports in your life or you'll never be good at things. I think you have to have difficult-... things that you're attempting to do. You know, I think that's really beneficial for kids and for adults. I mean, I think that's a, a, a key part of my life is lessons learned through adversity and trying new things is a ver- a very important part of that, because it forces you to really be a beginner. One of the things I found, like, in martial arts, like when you would, uh, get, like, guys who are, like, world champion kickboxers and they start entering into MMA, they're really good at one aspect of fighting, which is, like, kickboxing, and then they would have to learn wrestling and jujitsu. They didn't like it, because the wrestling and jujitsu, the problem was they were getting fucked up a lot.

   19. SRSteven Rinella1:01:40

       Oh, yeah. I can picture that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       They're getting... They were losing. So they're used to being, like, dominant, and then all of a sudden they're losing.

   21. SRSteven Rinella1:01:46

       Or they've been for years-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       Yeah.

   23. SRSteven Rinella1:01:47

       ... good at something-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       Exactly.

   25. SRSteven Rinella1:01:48

       ... now they, now they suck at some part of it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       Exactly. So they would avoid that aspect of it. So their development as a mixed martial artist was always limited. They always, always get to a certain level and they could never pass that, because they never really developed the skills required to excel in the overall thing. There was always, like, this-

   27. SRSteven Rinella1:02:06

       That guy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       ... hole in their game.

   29. SRSteven Rinella1:02:07

       They'd never go live in that-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:08:32