Joe Rogan Experience #1721 - Michael Malice

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

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   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Michael Malice, has there ever been a person in history-

   4. MMMichael Malice0:15

      (laughs) Here we go.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      ... that has more support than this fellow, Brandon?

   6. MMMichael Malice0:18

      (laughs) Let's go, Brandon!

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      It seems like that is the most popular person I've ever come across. Everyone is in support of this Brandon fella.

   8. MMMichael Malice0:28

      There, there's this internet meme about, I think his name is Kyle, uh, who drinks Monster Red Bull and puts his fist through drywall. Is that the- is that Kyle- is that name Kyle? But Brandon, um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:38

      I don't know about Kyle.

   10. MMMichael Malice0:39

       Kyle's- Kyle is a white kid who drinks a lot of Monster-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       (laughs)

   12. MMMichael Malice0:43

       ... and puts his fist through- through drywall.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs)

   14. MMMichael Malice0:46

       Uh, Brandon is, uh, everywhere.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Well, I don't know this Kyle fella though. Is this a f- a popular meme?

   16. MMMichael Malice0:51

       I thi-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Oh, here it is.

   18. MMMichael Malice0:52

       Yeah, there it is. Kyle, I was right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Okay, so Kyle just punches shit?

   20. MMMichael Malice0:55

       When he drinks a lot of Monster.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       It, uh, the- it's so crazy how, like, something will become popular. You know? Like that one guy, the- the large fella that's, uh, sitting on the edge of the bed with his giant cock hanging over the bed.

   22. MMMichael Malice1:09

       Yes, yes. That-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       That one picture of this fella and his big dick...

   24. MMMichael Malice1:13

       This is the most boomer conversation. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       (laughs)

   26. MMMichael Malice1:16

       You know how on the internet, Jamie, these pictures-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       (laughs)

   28. MMMichael Malice1:19

       ... get names and the kids share them.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       How does-

   30. MMMichael Malice1:22

       And who- who- how do these pictures come from?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. MMMichael Malice15:00

      a suitcase and detonating it and like blowing up New York. And I thought to myself, "If they take out this city, take me with it." Like I can't- this is me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Right.

   3. MMMichael Malice15:08

      I lived there since I was two. I still don't know how to drive. And for watching what they did to New York w- has been, I've talked about this a lot, has been so heartbreaking, uh, and- and traumatic. And moving was so hard, but now that I left, I don't miss it at all.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      Listen, I love New York, but I love it to visit.

   5. MMMichael Malice15:29

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      You know, I was just there. I did Madison Square Garden a couple weeks ago. It was magic. I was like, "Oh my god, I'm doing the Garden."

   7. MMMichael Malice15:34

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      "This is amazing."

   9. MMMichael Malice15:34

      Of course.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       And then I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

   11. MMMichael Malice15:37

       Yeah. It's- 'cause all the things that make New York special have been destroyed.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       De Blasio ruined everything.

   13. MMMichael Malice15:42

       De Blasio did more damage to New York than Mohammed Atta. It's not even close.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Way more.

   15. MMMichael Malice15:46

       Way more. It's not even close.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       Way more.

   17. MMMichael Malice15:47

       And intentionally. And he's gonna do a lot of nasty things on his way out and it's not even a question. Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       What do you think he's gonna be able to do?

   19. MMMichael Malice15:52

       I don't know. But there's no way- like what- what about Cuomo? Cuomo pardoned that terrorist on his way out. So, one of the weathermen-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       What terrorist?

   21. MMMichael Malice15:59

       One of the weathermen.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Oh, did he really?

   23. MMMichael Malice16:00

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       I didn't know- wait a minute. I didn't know Cuomo ... Governors can pardon people too?

   25. MMMichael Malice16:04

       Of course, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Oh, I didn't know that.

   27. MMMichael Malice16:06

       P- pardon or commute, I'm not- I'm not exactly sure which one goes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       But either way ...

   29. MMMichael Malice16:09

       Yeah, he commuted, uh, one of the weathermen. Um, so he's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       (sighs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Do you know what…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      doing that, you just m- you just proved my point. They, they don't even understand what they just did. You, you think no one's g- like, it's gonna end with you? See, 'cause it used to be that way. They would say something and no one would have recourse.

   2. MMMichael Malice30:13

      Do you know what this is-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      But when you're saying something-

   4. MMMichael Malice30:15

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      ... and then the person you're saying it about has literally ten times the audience you do, you dumb motherfucker, do you know what you did? You just proved my point.

   6. MMMichael Malice30:23

      (laughs) But do you know what this is like? This, do you re- uh, you and I are old enough to remember, uh, the WWF, right? So, you had the WWF and then you had the NWA, which was the alternative wrestling organization, which was much smaller. And you'd have the wrestlers come over from NWA to WWF, and they pretended these people came outta nowhere. And then one time they brought over Ric Flair, and Bobby Heenan held up Ric Flair's belt, and this was their first acknowledgement of this other organization. And here's the other thing, to look at NWA just had to change the channel. It's not like it was existing-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:53

      Hmm.

   8. MMMichael Malice30:53

      ... in some weird-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:53

      Yeah.

   10. MMMichael Malice30:54

       ... netherers, netherers. But this is how they want to construct reality, that you not, you don't listen to Joe, you listen to Don Lemon telling you what Joe says, and you don't have that independent way to inform yourself.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       They need better people. They need people that are respected 'cause it's not that CNN is, uh, uh, beyond repair.

   12. MMMichael Malice31:17

       I think they're beyond repair.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       I don't think they are. Look, I know Jeff Zucker, the head of... He's a nice guy. I know Jeff. I worked for him.

   14. MMMichael Malice31:23

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       When I worked at, in NBC when I was the host of Fear Factor, Jeff Zucker was the president of NBC. He's a great guy. It's just, they're... It's like everything else. These people are managing at scale. And, but, you, you can't allow people to say things that are absolutely untrue when you have a fucking news organization. And it's not about my feelings. Oh, Joe Rogan's feelings are hurt. Like, I like it when my feelings get hurt. How about that?

   16. MMMichael Malice31:48

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       I like it. I hurt my own feelings. Like, there's not a fucking human being that's a, a worse critic of me than me. All right? That's not what the problem is.

   18. MMMichael Malice31:56

       Well, challenge accepted. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:59

       (laughs)

   20. MMMichael Malice32:00

       But listen, listen you butt-head.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       (laughs)

   22. MMMichael Malice32:02

       Let me tell you something, Joe Rogan.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       (laughs) The look on your face. You are the ultimate troll. You should fuck- for sure have a crown. For sure have, like, the king of trolls-

   24. MMMichael Malice32:13

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       ... and wear that. You should wear that with certain posts.

   26. MMMichael Malice32:17

       But dude, I disagree with you because when you're saying that you can't just have people lying, we're all taught in high school about yellow journalism-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       Yeah.

   28. MMMichael Malice32:23

       ... and the Spanish-American War-

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       Yeah.

   30. MMMichael Malice32:24

       ... and they lied to get us into that.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      a socially awkward, introverted guy who's a medical pundit on CNN.

   2. MMMichael Malice45:05

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      When he's communicating with them and he's doing these, like, short form conversations, when he's dealing with, like, a powerful personality like Don Lemon, it's very difficult to get your point across. One of the things that he's been accused of that is not correct is that people said that he agreed that it was a veterinary medicine. That's not what he agreed. What, what Don Lemon said, Don Lemon said that it was also used as a horse dewormer and it's not approved by the FDA for use for COVID. And he said that's correct. That's what, what he meant was, it's not approved for COVID. He tried to talk and Don interrupted him, and he actually called me and we had a conversation about this.

   4. MMMichael Malice45:46

      Okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:47

      He, he's not a bad guy. He's a very good guy. But he's also a guy that is a real practicing neurosurgeon, right? So, he's insanely busy and he's not up on all this propaganda and-

   6. MMMichael Malice46:00

      Wait a minute. You don't think he got... I, I don't know about that. I don't know. So, I'm t- I'm asking l- from a place of ignorance-

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:05

      Okay.

   8. MMMichael Malice46:05

      ... not a place of gotcha. Do you not think that they gave him a call after this show and said, "You gotta go on Don Lemon and do damage control"?

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:14

      Um, I think they invited him to go on Don Lemon's show and talk about it, for sure.

   10. MMMichael Malice46:19

       Yeah, of course.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       And he also went on Erin Burnett's show and talked about it.

   12. MMMichael Malice46:20

       Yeah. And they, if they had their druthers, they would ignore you, and they don't have that option anymore.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       The Erin Burnett one is hilarious.

   14. MMMichael Malice46:25

       Oh, I haven't seen that one.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Because, uh, I said to him, 'cause he said, "You should get a vaccine even though you've already had COVID." And I said, "Why would I do that?" I said, "You should get COVID." I go, "You'd have real protection."

   16. MMMichael Malice46:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       And Erin Burnett apparently... I haven't seen that. Have you seen it? Go to, his appar- my wife said it is a comedy sketch.

   18. MMMichael Malice46:42

       Oh, okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       She goes, it's so hilarious. She goes, it's bad acting, like soap opera acting. She goes, like, "Do you think he really wanted you to get COVID?"

   20. MMMichael Malice46:49

       Oh, my God.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       Like, app- I haven't seen it, so we should watch it together in real time.

   22. MMMichael Malice46:53

       Yes, please. Please.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       But it's-

   24. MMMichael Malice46:54

       But that is worse than what they said with the C-... They're saying, if they're implying that you want him to get COVID, that's really bad.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       I do think he should get COVID.

   26. MMMichael Malice47:00

       No, but you don't want him to get COVID in the sense that you hope he, I hope he gets sick.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       No. I, I think it'd be good for his immune system.

   28. MMMichael Malice47:05

       You want him to... Right. But you want him to get COVID and get healthy, not get COVID and die.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       Exa- 100%.

   30. MMMichael Malice47:11

       You-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:11

   But if you don't…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      know she's probably got a narrative that she's been given by producers.

   2. MMMichael Malice1:00:02

      But if you don't have research, don't say it's a fact. Just say, "As far as I know," or, "My understanding is," 'cause you have a doctor there who can correct you.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Yes.

   4. MMMichael Malice1:00:10

      That's her job to be like, "Look-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Yeah.

   6. MMMichael Malice1:00:11

      "... why is the medical correspondence there if you don't know?"

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      But, Michael, you've done a lot of these shows, and I think part of... And this is, again, I, I don't... I have no disagreement with Erin Burnett. I, I, I think the problem is these goddamn short-form shows. This is no way to discuss something that's inc- incredibly nuanced, and very difficult to discuss, and very important. And you're dealing with the differences in there's so many variables in terms of age, in terms of immune systems, health.

   8. MMMichael Malice1:00:37

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

      There's so many factors that we need-... to take into consideration when we're talking about people that get sick.

   10. MMMichael Malice1:00:42

       But I disagree with you because it's not a short form thing. Like you said, I've done a lot of these shows, and a lot of times, I'm talking out of my ass. So, what I make sure to say is, "It is my understanding..." or, "As far as I know..." or, "I was under the impression that..."

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       Yeah.

   12. MMMichael Malice1:00:55

       You coach it in those terms so the person listening will be like, "This is my opinion, and I'm not completely informed." She is saying these are, this is her quote, "basic facts."

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Yeah.

   14. MMMichael Malice1:01:04

       That's a very different way of framing what she's saying.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Well, also when she's saying that you're not gonna talk him into getting the vaccine, I don't fucking need the vaccine. Don't you understand? I've recovered from COVID.

   16. MMMichael Malice1:01:13

       And why is it so important for her to have him talk you into taking this vaccine?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       Because this is the narrative.

   18. MMMichael Malice1:01:18

       Right, exactly.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       This is the mainstream narrative, and they know that if they say it that way, they won't receive any criticism except for from fringe people like me.

   20. MMMichael Malice1:01:25

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       But if they say it any other way, then people will come down on them and call them an anti-vaxxer.

   22. MMMichael Malice1:01:31

       Right, right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       They're calling fucking Eric Clapton an anti-vaxxer. He's been vaccinated.

   24. MMMichael Malice1:01:35

       And a ra- and a racist. Did you see the- what the Rolling Stone did?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       I s- I didn't see what Rolling Stone did, but I saw what the LA Times did.

   26. MMMichael Malice1:01:40

       The Rolling Stone, I believe it was Rolling Stone, had an article about the history of Eric Clapton's racist remarks. So, as soon as he c- pushes back the narrative, they go digging, and now he's a racist.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       What did he say that they said was racist?

   28. MMMichael Malice1:01:50

       I didn't read the article. What do I, what do I care?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       Yeah, good for you. Well, th- the Rolling Stone also printed a completely fake story about gunshot victims in Oklahoma-

   30. MMMichael Malice1:01:58

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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