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Joe Rogan Experience #1764 - Ari Shaffir, Shane Gillis & Mark Normand

Shane Gillis, Mark Normand, and Ari Shaffir are standup comedians, writers, and podcasters. Mark is the co-host of "Tuesdays with Stories" along with Joe List. His latest special, "Mark Normand: Out to Lunch," is available via YouTube. Ari is the host of "The Skeptic Tank." His most recent special, "Ari Shaffir: Double Negative," is available via Netflix. Shane is the co-host of "Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast" with Matt McCusker. His special "Shane Gillis: Live in Austin," is available via YouTube.

Joe RoganhostAri ShaffirguestMark NormandguestShane Gillisguest
Jun 27, 20243h 36mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:06 – 2:06

    Protect Our Parks chaos: NYC politics, corruption, and the “new mayor” vibe check

    The crew kicks off by debating what to call their recurring hang (Protect Our Parks vs. other names) and immediately riffs on New York’s politics. They dunk on city development decisions, then pivot into early impressions of NYC’s new mayor and classic nepotism/corruption talk.

    • Naming the group/series and joking about the “park” being ruined
    • Complaints about city decisions: development, high-rises, and public consent
    • NYC mayor takes heat for comments about low-wage workers
    • Nepotism: hiring family members and cushy government jobs
    • Cuomo parallel and why ‘how you do it’ matters
  2. 2:06 – 3:17

    Jan 6 jokes, FBI non-answers, and the “use Signal” paranoia spiral

    They joke about January 6th as a ‘sports upset’ before Rogan brings up Ted Cruz grilling an FBI official who refuses to answer key questions. The conversation slides into distrust of institutions, encrypted messaging, and then a brief ‘we need weed’ interruption.

    • Jan 6 framed as an absurd ‘upset’ with gallows humor
    • Ted Cruz/FBI hearing clip: repeated “we can’t answer that” responses
    • Speculation about federal involvement and what non-answers imply
    • Encrypted messaging apps: Signal and disappearing messages
    • Rogan pauses the show to fix the ‘lack of marijuana’ situation
  3. 3:17 – 4:50

    Opting out of the news, MeToo-as-sport riffs, and Sandusky/Penn State dark comedy

    Ari says he stopped following news entirely, sparking a bit about how pointless (and sanity-preserving) that can be. The group then launches into MeToo-as-competition jokes and a run of dark riffs about Sandusky and the Penn State scandal.

    • Ari’s ‘I don’t watch the news’ stance and why it feels healthier
    • ‘MeToo Olympics’ and sports-scandal mashup jokes
    • Penn State/Sandusky references and punchlines about accountability
    • Paterno’s death and the idea of public shame ‘killing’ people faster
    • Escalating gallows humor and how comics process taboo stories
  4. 4:50 – 7:16

    Trans prisoners, identity loopholes, and Sex and the City’s “nonbinary standup” scene

    Rogan criticizes policies that house trans-identifying male prisoners in women’s prisons, arguing it creates exploitative loopholes. The topic bleeds into mocking modern identity language and then into the Sex and the City reboot, including a notorious standup scene.

    • Debate over prison placement policies and unintended incentives
    • Claimed cases of offenders ‘gaming’ gender identity rules
    • Jokes about needing a “test” for womanhood (purses, Golden Girls, etc.)
    • Sex and the City reboot: why one main cast member didn’t return
    • The reboot’s standup scene: trans/nonbinary character and comic cringe
  5. 7:16 – 8:48

    What do we name this group? Cuddle Party, Kuks, and other terrible branding ideas

    They revisit the branding question and free-associate an avalanche of intentionally awful names. The running joke becomes how hard it is to name anything without sounding try-hard, offensive, or doomed to backfire.

    • Protect Our Parks vs. Cuddle Party vs. ‘no name’ philosophy
    • Wordplay on ‘Klan/Kanzel’ and ‘Kuks’ as intentionally stupid options
    • Meta-jokes about leaning into (or away from) cancellation narratives
    • The group dynamic: everyone pitching, everyone vetoing
    • Settling on ‘internally call it whatever’ as the least-committal solution
  6. 8:48 – 12:26

    Jurassic Park nostalgia: real velociraptor size, movie magic, and ‘fat target’ rotations

    A tangent about team names turns into a deep nostalgic love letter to Jurassic Park and how Spielberg changed raptors for the screen. From there they bounce into pop-culture punching bags—who society ‘lets’ you make fun of now—and the weird backlash when celebrities get healthier.

    • Mighty Ducks/Raptors naming era and movie-driven branding
    • Velociraptors: real size vs. Jurassic Park depiction
    • First-theater-viewing memories and iconic scenes (T-Rex, door-opening raptors)
    • Comedy’s shifting ‘acceptable targets’ (Bert, Lizzo, etc.)
    • Adele/weight loss backlash: identity, envy, and shifting relatability
  7. 12:26 – 19:36

    Jonah Hill, body commentary etiquette, LASIK wearing off, and future eye-repair science

    They argue over Jonah Hill’s transformation and the modern rule that you ‘shouldn’t comment on bodies’ even positively. Shane claims his LASIK is wearing off, sparking a surprisingly detailed detour into aging eyesight and Rogan’s optimism about upcoming eye therapies.

    • Jonah Hill’s weight fluctuations and the ‘new persona’ after getting fit
    • The etiquette debate: compliments can feel invasive too
    • LASIK and presbyopia: aging changes that affect near vision
    • Shane’s description of LASIK as an unsettling procedure
    • Rogan cites Huberman: experimental treatments to reverse ocular aging/injury
  8. 19:36 – 21:41

    HIV origin theories, bushmeat, bat soup, and ‘octopus teacher’ weirdness

    A gruesome sex-injury anecdote leads to a discussion of blood, HIV transmission, and speculative origin stories tied to bushmeat and primate exposure. They then pivot to cultural food norms, bat soup/wet markets, and the moral weirdness of eating intelligent animals like octopus.

    • Graphic sex injury story and immediate AIDS/transmission anxiety jokes
    • Rogan’s explanation of HIV origin speculation (bushmeat, primates, cuts)
    • Cultural relativism in food: oysters vs. bat soup vs. eels/octopus
    • Octopus intelligence and discomfort around eating ‘smart’ animals
    • Documentary references and jokes about humans projecting romance onto animals
  9. 21:41 – 24:35

    Dolphin research goes off the rails: NASA funding, horny dolphins, and drowning jealousy myths

    Rogan recounts infamous dolphin communication experiments and the scandalous claims of humans sexually ‘helping’ dolphins focus. The group riffs on dolphins as aggressive, horny animals, including a story about a celebrity claiming a dolphin tried to drown him out of jealousy.

    • John Lilly-era dolphin communication projects and ethical collapse
    • Claims about a researcher manually relieving dolphins to keep studies going
    • Dolphins as intelligent but sexually aggressive (rape/violence anecdotes)
    • Nick Young story: ‘a dolphin tried to kill me’ and comedic skepticism
    • Jealous-dolphin mythology: dolphins ‘stealing your girl’ as a punchline
  10. 24:35 – 27:17

    David Choe in Africa: hunting baboons, Facebook stock luck, and why artists annoy people

    They discuss artist David Choe’s extreme travel and hunting stories with the Hadza, including how unsettling primate hunting can feel. Rogan explains how Choe became ultra-wealthy via Facebook stock, while others mock his ‘artsy’ openness and Vice-era content.

    • Hadza living, hunting, and eating primates due to dwindling game
    • Baboons being ‘too human’ when wounded—why it’s psychologically brutal
    • Choe’s wealth: painting Facebook’s lobby paid in stock
    • Bourdain/Vice connections and mixed reactions to Choe’s persona
    • Tension between ‘just say you like sex’ vs. psychoanalyzing everything
  11. 27:17 – 32:09

    Genital injury war stories: fence-sliced sacks, jiu-jitsu blood, and Rogan’s ‘test it by jerking off’ logic

    Mark shares a college escape story that ends in a torn scrotum and stitches, then Rogan tops it with a jiu-jitsu injury that caused internal bleeding. The bit escalates into Rogan admitting he ‘tested’ functionality by masturbating—leading to some of the grossest imagery of the episode.

    • Mark’s college fight escape: fence straddle, ripped jeans, torn scrotum
    • Medical details: novocaine needle, stitches, jockstrap recovery
    • Rogan’s jiu-jitsu knee-to-groin injury and discovering blood afterward
    • Decision-making under shock: ‘treat it like a bloody nose?’
    • Rogan masturbates to confirm it works; vivid description of bloody semen
  12. 32:09 – 35:45

    YouTube retroactive censorship: ‘beer cured my COVID’ and the algorithm vs. humans debate

    Rogan and Shane vent about content being removed or struck months after posting, using Shane’s ‘I drank beer with COVID’ joke as the example. They debate whether moderation is AI-driven or human, and how appeals work (or don’t), especially for comedy channels.

    • Shane’s podcast episode deleted for saying he drank beer while sick
    • Retroactive enforcement: strikes landing 6+ months later
    • Algorithm vs. human moderators and what ‘appeal’ really means
    • Collateral damage examples: other comedians/channels getting flagged
    • Fear that overbroad misinformation rules kill comedy and conversation
  13. 35:45 – 43:45

    Longevity ‘secrets’: Big Macs, gin-soaked raisins, and why living to 117 sounds awful

    They riff on news stories about super-old people crediting booze and junk food, then undercut the ‘inspiration’ angle by pointing out the grim realities of extreme old age. Rogan pivots to anti-aging optimism—Sinclair-style age reversal—raising new ethical and social questions.

    • Viral longevity headlines: Big Macs, beer-and-chips, red wine, raisins in gin
    • Skepticism about anecdotal ‘secrets’ and survivorship bias
    • The unglamorous truth: dependency, caretaking, and indignities of aging
    • Anti-aging research: David Sinclair claims and biological vs. calendar age
    • Social implications: ‘immortal’ people, power imbalances, and population pressure
  14. 43:45 – 52:20

    Animal fighting and bull stunts: dogfighting lore, cockfights, bull-leaping acrobatics, and bubble-suit carnage

    A German shepherd tangent turns into a surprisingly detailed account of dogfighting culture and how Michael Vick exposed an underground world. From there they compare it to cockfighting and then watch bull-related stunt clips—acrobatic bull-leaping and people getting launched in bubble suits.

    • German shepherd ownership: training needs and ‘don’t get one unless you work it’
    • Dogfighting subculture: chains, treadmills, bloodlines, underground economy
    • Cockfighting as ‘culture’ and the brutal winner/loser aftermath
    • Bull-leaping as an acrobatic sport where the bull sometimes wins
    • Bubble-suit bull hits: why it’s funny, why it’s insanely dangerous
  15. 52:20 – 58:37

    Fear Factor behind-the-scenes: network-approved gross-outs, chain-wallet Rogan, and coaching people into chaos

    Rogan explains how Fear Factor pushed stunts past good sense—especially anything involving bulls—and admits he was high for much of the reboot era. They watch infamous clips, talk about how TV executives greenlit them, and Rogan describes the psychology of hyping terrified contestants into doing awful tasks.

    • Rogan’s ‘don’t do it’ moments on Fear Factor (bull-related stunts)
    • ‘Stunt bulls’ as a ridiculous concept; danger doesn’t care about labels
    • Fear Factor gross-out clip reactions (piss/jizz bits and vomiting)
    • NBC/TV standards hypocrisy: what got approved vs. what gets censored now
    • Rogan’s coaching philosophy: confidence, commitment, and no ‘outs’ for contestants
  16. 58:37 – 3:36:04

    Celebrity rumor mill to WWII ‘radioactivity’: Gere gerbil lore, Kenison’s late-era chaos, and Holocaust denial talk

    They trace how pre-internet celebrity rumors went nationwide, centering on the Richard Gere gerbil story and other infamous urban legends. That segues into a Sam Kinison clip, then into why Holocaust-related topics are uniquely ‘radioactive,’ including a discussion of denialism and the scale of WWII atrocities.

    • How rumors spread nationally before social media (Rod Stewart, Gere, etc.)
    • Why the Gere gerbil story ‘stuck’—specificity and celebrity image backlash
    • Sam Kinison clip and the idea of comedians becoming caricatures of themselves
    • Holocaust denial as a uniquely extreme form of reality avoidance
    • Broader WWII scale: victim groups, Soviet losses, and how modern tech amplified demagogues

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