Joe Rogan Experience #1765 - Philip Frankland Lee

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. PLPhilip Frankland Lee0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. So, Phillip, my friend Phillip here, who's the head chef of the greatest sushi place on planet Earth.

   4. JVJamie Vernon0:19

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      I say to young Jamie, "Young Jamie, have you had sushi at Sushi Bar ATX yet?" And he goes, "I don't like fish."

   6. JVJamie Vernon0:28

      Yep. (laughs)

   7. PLPhilip Frankland Lee0:29

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Put that mic in front of your face.

   9. JVJamie Vernon0:31

      What's wrong with that?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       What is ... What, what could you not like about fish?

   11. JVJamie Vernon0:35

       Um, well, I've ... Like, I've eaten it. I'm not, like, afraid to try it all the time. I've worked at restaurants and, you know, they've made really great halibut and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Okay, what about filet-o-fish sandwiches from McDonald's?

   13. JVJamie Vernon0:45

       Oh, no, that's not ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       How ... What the fuck? Those are goddamn delicious.

   15. JVJamie Vernon0:48

       It's like a smell and taste to it that just ...

   16. PLPhilip Frankland Lee0:50

       I mean, have you, have you tried fish ... I mean, obviously, you know, a filet-o-fish sandwich is not gonna be, you know, $100 pound toro. Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       But it's still delicious. Filet-o-fish is like the best thing McDonald's ever figured out.

   18. JVJamie Vernon1:04

       I ... No.

   19. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:05

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Listen ... Yes. Listen, I know it's terrible for you. Like, every time I eat one, my ... I'm, I'm ... There's like the brain is saying to the mouth, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" And then the body's like, "Dude ..." But the mouth's like, "Shut up, bitch." And I'm having-

   21. JVJamie Vernon1:18

       I don't know, man. I'm steak and potatoes from Ohio. Like, it's just ... That's, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       I enjoy steak and potatoes as well though.

   23. JVJamie Vernon1:23

       I just ... It's, uh, uh, I don't know.

   24. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:26

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Some people just-

   26. JVJamie Vernon1:27

       It's hard to say.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       I always wonder if people just have ... Like, if their tongue works different. Like, uh, I have two, my youngest daught-... You've met my kids, right?

   28. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       My youngest loves spicy food. I mean, she can fuck with some really spicy hot sauce. Like, uh, I got this, uh, Señor Lechuga, uh, uh, hot sauce. They sent me a bunch of it. It's awesome stuff. And they sent me some with, uh, Reapers.

   30. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:52

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. Though that's one…

   1. PLPhilip Frankland Lee15:00

      than just a craft that is interesting to look at.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Yeah. Though that's one of the things that's fascinating about it, is that it is a craft, but it's also, like you said, it's nourishment. I mean, everybody needs food. And it's also ... It looks fucking amazing.

   3. PLPhilip Frankland Lee15:14

      It's one of the only things where the artist, if you call them an artist, or craftsman, have to take enough responsibility and have enough integrity to understand that the art they're creating is going to be ingested by the audience.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Mm.

   5. PLPhilip Frankland Lee15:28

      Not just hung on the wall or worn.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Right. Yeah, well that ... It took me a while to figure out that it is art. It, it really was Bourdain that showed me, from his first show, from No Reservations. I, I remember watching that show and i- One of the beautiful things about No Reservations, and then also, um, Parts Unknown, was that his narration-

   7. PLPhilip Frankland Lee15:49

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:49

      ... was all his writing. And it was all so eh, very specific to his writing. In fact, his voice is so specific that ... You know, he got obsessed with jujitsu and started posting on a Reddit jujitsu sub-thread.

   9. PLPhilip Frankland Lee16:06

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       And eventually people figured out that it was him.

   11. PLPhilip Frankland Lee16:09

       Just because of his voice?

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       I don't know how they figured it out. And it may have been posthumously that they figured it out. But there was this whole article about Bourdain posting on this, this sub-Reddit. Like, real honest about his journey and his battles with jujitsu. But he, he did it in a way that's very similar to the way he does the narration on his show. Which was, uh, one of the more interesting things about the show, because you got an insight into an art where you're, you're ... The practitioner is explaining it, but he's so articulate and passionate and-

   13. PLPhilip Frankland Lee16:43

       Yeah. I do-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Shooting star gotcha. (laughs)

   15. PLPhilip Frankland Lee16:46

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       (laughs) Yeah, I see people like, "Am I tripping?" Yeah, there's shooting stars in the ceiling. But there's this, there's a, an aspect to the way he would describe it. And I remember watching his show going, (snaps fingers) "Oh, it's art."

   17. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:00

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       I goes like, "Duh." Like, "Why didn't I see it this way before? I just thought, 'Oh, that place is delicious.'"

   19. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:04

       But there's also an art to, like, changing a tire, or anything. Like, when you, when you see someone who's really good at something, there's an art to it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Mm. Right, especially if you're into that thing.

   21. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:14

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah. I always talk about that with pool, the game of pool.

   23. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Because most people look at pool as fucking boring. You're just shooting a ball in a hole.

   25. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:21

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Who cares? But for someone like me who plays, I see someone like Earl Strickland, like a great pool player, I watch him play like, "Goddamn it, that's amazing." It's beautiful.

   27. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:30

       Yeah, I mean, when somebody can make something look easy but also make it look sexy at the same time.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       Mm. Sexy.

   29. PLPhilip Frankland Lee17:36

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Yeah. There's a ... It's, it's really cool that we live in a time where the entry barrier to, like, th- expressing yourself in that kind of a way is so, so simple. Like, uh, there's a guy on, uh, Instagram that I was just going back and forth with. He's got a great page. It's, uh, cooking_with_fire. And he makes bomb-ass Mexican food. And he was a chef, and he, uh, he's just basically dedicating all his time now to putting online content out. And he's doing, like, a one-minute cooking show. He just does the whole d- Like, no matter what he makes, he bangs it out.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Wow. …

   1. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:00

      sent me a video. It's actually on my Instagram, um, it's, uh, my third birthday party and he's bought me a chef's knife.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Wow.

   3. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:07

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Your third birthday party?

   5. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:09

      My third birthday party. And he can, you can clearly hear him say, (laughs) it's funny 'cause I think, I haven't gotten the full story, but I think my mom's holding the old, you know, the old camera and it kind of shaking, and I guess he says, oh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      There it is right there.

   7. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:23

      I think he, he says, "I don't know what else to get him. All he wants to do is cook."

   8. JVJamie Vernon30:26

      Oh. Yeah, you know what? He always wants to cook. So there you go.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:29

      (laughs)

   10. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:30

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       That's not a real knife, is it? Did he give you, get you a real chef's knife?

   12. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:35

       I actually haven't asked him 'cause he sent that to me and he said, "Look, you've always wanted to cook." Um, so I don't know if that's a, uh, I prob- but knowing my dad, yeah, it's probably a real knife.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       And did he just hide it from you? "Here's your, here's your knife and then I'm gonna hide it."

   14. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:48

       No, I, I cooked growing up every day.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       But did you use that knife?

   16. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:51

       I don't remember.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       When you were three?

   18. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:53

       Yeah, probably not, probably wasn't.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Yeah. That seems like a lot for a three-year-old, those little tiny fingers.

   20. PLPhilip Frankland Lee30:58

       (exhales) Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Let me see your fingers. They're all there-

   22. PLPhilip Frankland Lee31:00

       They're all there but-

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       ... so you probably didn't use it.

   24. PLPhilip Frankland Lee31:01

       ... but I'm missing, uh, you know, some parts.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Are you?

   26. PLPhilip Frankland Lee31:03

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Some tips?

   28. PLPhilip Frankland Lee31:04

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Yeah.

   30. PLPhilip Frankland Lee31:05

       But, um, no, so-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh, interesting. …

   1. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:00

      on, I was on salary.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Oh, interesting.

   3. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:03

      But that salary would have to be, you know, 3X at this point.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah.

   5. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:07

      'Cause you, 'cause now they've changed the rule a couple years ago. Salary is no longer a, uh, a contract between you and I. Salaries have to fall into a certain, you have to qualify. So, you can't just be like, "Oh, I'm gonna not give you overtime by giving you a salary to have you work when I ask you to."

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      Right.

   7. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:25

      Now, you have to pay them, pay everybody a specific dollar amount and they have to ha- hold specific responsibilities in order to not, uh, accrue overtime.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      Yeah, I think that's good because I think there's a lot of employers that are abusive. But I also think there's something romantic about this story of you almost dying. (laughs)

   9. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:47

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       You know what I mean? I mean like, I do appreciate like, long, hard-

   11. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:51

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       ... workdays. There's something to that 'cause like, I hear that, and I know you got through it and you became very successful, so I'm like, "See, it works."

   13. PLPhilip Frankland Lee45:59

       Look, when, I think Margherita and my first date was at that restaurant.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Ah.

   15. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:03

       And it was, uh, I mean, people ask me all the time, "How did, how did you get her?" And it's food. It has to be. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       (laughs) That's hilarious.

   17. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:14

       Um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Well, you're a cool guy. Don't sell yourself short. And plus, you're kinda cute.

   19. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:17

       Oh, appreciate it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       Don't you think, Jamie? (laughs)

   21. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:21

       (laughs) I'm top three in this room, for sure. Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       Top three? Uh, I'd say so.

   23. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:27

       Um, but, uh, so because of that schedule, I couldn't take her on a date.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Mm.

   25. PLPhilip Frankland Lee46:33

       Um, and so I remember the very first date we had was at the restaurant. I told her to show up at 12:30 after I, I sent everybody home. And, uh, I had spent all day secretly prepping a special menu and she showed up and I sat her in the dining room that like, overlooked the kitchen, and I would make a course, bring it out to her, sit down with her, have a sip of wine and then, uh, uh, go back in the kitchen, make the next course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Oh, wow.

   27. PLPhilip Frankland Lee47:01

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       What did you think she did during the time while you were in there cooking?

   29. PLPhilip Frankland Lee47:04

       Uh, well, I told her to bring a friend with her.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       Oh.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:34

   Jesus Christ. …

   1. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:00

      They told me I'm pre-diabetic and I'm at, you know, I'm at risk of having a heart attack-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Jesus Christ.

   3. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:05

      ... within the next couple of years, um, and, uh, I need to do something. And so, I did a l- you know, did a little bit of research on my own, and one of the things was like, getting yourself into, I think it's 70% to 80% of your max heart rate for over 30 minutes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Mm-hmm.

   5. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:21

      And so, um, I completely changed my diet. I changed like, just my lifestyle, and that's, so every day, I'm running and, uh, eating differently, and I've lost about 30 pounds, and I've dropped about 70 points of my, my, uh, cholesterol.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      That's fantastic.

   7. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:37

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

      Did you change, how much did you change your diet at all?

   9. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:40

      Completely.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Yeah?

   11. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:41

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       What, what did you change? What was the big thing?

   13. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:43

       Well, I c- I've cut out entirely dairy and red meat.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       No red meat?

   15. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:49

       No red meat. Well, that's not true.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       I know it's not true-

   17. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:51

       Nothing, nothing- (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       ... 'cause you sent me a video of you cooking a red stag, you lying son of a bitch.

   19. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:55

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Jesus.

   21. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:00:56

       No saturated fat. No meat with high saturated fats. So, I was eating a lot of like, I mean, just 'cause I have access to it, I was eating a lot of Wagyu beef. I was eating-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Yeah.

   23. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:01:05

       ... eating a lot of foie gras, I was eating a lot of, uh, you know, ribeyes. Uh, if I was hungry, I'd eat, you know, salamis. Um, and I've just sort of transitioned that out for now if I'm hungry, I eat nuts. Um, eating a lot of like, uh, of turkey and chicken, um-... turns out sushi is actually really good for battling high LDL cholesterol.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Really?

   25. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:01:27

       Yeah. So, um, I've eaten, I always eat a ton of sushi, uh, but eating a lot of fish. Uh, I never really ate a lot of like, um, I don't eat, I don't eat candies. I don't eat a lot of sugars. I don't drink soda. Um, so I didn't have to change any of that. I don't eat a lot of breads. Um-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       How much do you attribute what the change is to your diet and how much do you attribute it to the increase in exercise?

   27. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:01:51

       I think that hitting it from both ends, like when, when I went back for my first checkup with the doctor, she was expecting to see like maybe 20 points drop off and I dropped off-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       Mm-hmm.

   29. PLPhilip Frankland Lee1:02:01

       ... 70.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       Oh, wow.

Episode duration: 2:42:16