The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1821 - Bert Kreischer & Tony Hinchcliffe
CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 0:52
Golf handicaps, scratch vs pro, and a spontaneous guest invite
The episode opens with banter about what qualifies as a “pro-level” golfer, quickly shifting into toasts and how the recording came together. Joe explains spotting Tony at a red light and inviting him on the spot after a day of stem cells and barbecue with Bert.
- •Scratch golfer vs “pro” definitions and playing from the tips
- •Cheers and catching up energy between the three
- •Joe and Bert’s day: stem cells and barbecue
- •Joe sees Tony’s yellow Corvette and invites him mid-drive
- 0:52 – 2:16
Cars, sedans vs sports cars, and Bert’s nonchalance about his own Mercedes
They riff on car taste: Tony’s Corvette, Bert’s preference for big sedans, and Joe’s suggestions (Cadillac, Mercedes). Bert admits he barely knows his model and tells a story about getting into an argument over whether his car is an AMG.
- •Bert’s love of large sedans and dark interiors
- •Joe recommends Cadillac/Mercedes as ‘solid’ luxury choices
- •Bert not knowing his exact Mercedes model (S-Class/AMG confusion)
- •Comedic ‘drunk fight’ over car specs
- 2:16 – 6:00
Not driving because of drinking, Sprinter-van dreams, and Steve-O’s interview style
Bert explains he avoids driving because he drinks and prefers Uber, emphasizing he’s strict about not drinking and driving. The conversation moves to Sprinter vans (including the idea of a mobile podcast studio) and into praise for Steve-O’s podcasting and fearless questions.
- •Bert’s Uber-to-the-store lifestyle and anti–drunk-driving stance
- •Sprinter van + driver fantasies; mobile podcast studio idea
- •Steve-O as an unexpectedly great interviewer
- •Admiration for sobriety and long-term health after extreme living
- 6:00 – 8:27
Gossip culture and the Depp–Heard trial obsession
They segue from green-room gossip into how overwhelming modern ‘tea’ can be, then dive into the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard trial. Joe lays out why he thinks the evidence favors Depp and focuses on Heard’s credibility issues, especially around the charity donation/pledge claims.
- •‘Too much gossip’ and the modern podcast/news cycle
- •Joe’s daily viewing of the trial and commentary on attorneys
- •Recordings/evidence discussion and public perception
- •The donation vs pledge controversy as a credibility flashpoint
- 8:27 – 18:58
Playing the court clip: ‘Pledge’ vs ‘donate’ and courtroom dynamics
They attempt to find and play the key cross-examination clip and then watch a longer segment. Joe and Bert react to Heard’s phrasing, evasiveness, and courtroom mannerisms, highlighting the lawyer’s repeated insistence on yes/no answers and the semantic trap.
- •Searching for the correct cross-examination segment
- •Heard’s ‘pledge’/‘donation’ synonym argument
- •Lawyer’s tight questioning and striking non-answers
- •Body language: eye contact, jury-facing performance, ‘actor’ behaviors
- 18:58 – 23:55
Celebrity scandal parallels: Cosby’s release, OJ’s ‘Twitter world,’ and new teeth
The conversation pivots to Bill Cosby’s legal technicality release and how statements were used against him. They then joke about OJ Simpson’s public persona and comments, segueing into noticing OJ’s new teeth and a broader riff on cosmetic dentistry.
- •Cosby case explanation: non-prosecution promise and deposition use
- •OJ Simpson’s bizarre ‘Twitter world’ tone and public reactions
- •Spotting OJ’s new teeth and how veneers/caps read on camera
- •Bert’s own dental history and why ‘too perfect’ teeth look uncanny
- 23:55 – 26:39
George Washington’s dentures, Columbus reframed, and what school leaves out
Joe shares the dark historical detail that Washington’s dentures included teeth taken from enslaved people, sparking discussion about why such facts aren’t commonly taught. That opens into broader ‘whitewashed history’ examples, including Columbus’s atrocities and shifting public holidays.
- •Washington dentures and slavery connections
- •Why certain historical realities are minimized in education
- •Columbus as a celebrated figure vs documented brutality
- •How cultural narratives change as information spreads
- 26:39 – 33:54
Reparations logic, Portuguese empire, and fashion’s Nazi-era ties
They broaden into colonialism and reparations, arguing companies that profited directly from slavery have unique responsibility. The topic jumps to WWII-era corporate history—Hugo Boss and other fashion houses’ ties to Nazis—plus comedic confusion over brand names and pronunciation.
- •Reparations framed through corporate profit foundations
- •Portugal’s colonial empire and Portuguese-speaking countries
- •Hugo Boss/Nazi uniform design and other fashion associations
- •Name/pronunciation tangents and how language gets ‘simplified’
- 33:54 – 41:46
Art as status and money movement: The Lost Leonardo, freeports, and NFT confusion
Joe explains the Salvator Mundi controversy and how restoration, incentives, and attribution disputes shaped a $450M sale. Tony adds how high-value art can be stored and leveraged for tax-advantaged loans, then they connect the concept to NFTs and why the ‘ownership’ idea feels abstract.
- •The Lost Leonardo documentary and the 90% repaint/restoration claim
- •Incentives and market dynamics behind ‘attribution’ decisions
- •Art storage/freeport loans as financial instruments
- •NFTs as ‘ownership certificates’ and why they confuse non-crypto folks
- 41:46 – 1:01:17
Comedy craft and career realities: tags, lineups, and being ‘undeniable’
They debate taking joke tags from other comics and the ethics of authorship, then shift into touring stories with Tosh, Louis C.K., Shane Gillis, and the pressure of following killers. Joe and Bert talk about building undeniable acts, the meritocracy of standup, and how persistence plus skill breaks through.
- •Taking tags vs purism about writing every word yourself
- •Touring dynamics: getting ‘buried’ by surprise guest sets
- •Louis C.K. and Shane Gillis stories; Fully Loaded lineup strategy
- •Joe’s mantra: ‘Be undeniable’ and why comedy rewards performance
- 1:01:17 – 1:13:53
Hollywood, egos, and the weird hierarchy of sitcom credits
They explore how TV and Hollywood culture distorts incentives—credit order, actor status games, and the ‘ecosystem’ of manipulators who network their way into power. The discussion loops back to how modern platforms (YouTube/podcasts/streaming) let comedians succeed without fitting old Hollywood molds.
- •Sitcom credit order as a real social hierarchy and status weapon
- •Egos and credit-taking in collaborative show production
- •Hollywood ‘vampires’: sociopathy, manipulation, idea theft
- •New media enabling authenticity as a viable business model
- 1:13:53 – 1:22:08
Multiverse movies and Terence McKenna’s time-machine idea
They pivot into Marvel’s multiverse trend, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and how multiverse storytelling frees writers from strict timelines. Joe then explains McKenna’s concept that once time travel is invented, time becomes non-linear—collapsing ownership, intellectual property, and normal life structure.
- •Sony/Marvel Spider-Man rights and ‘borrowed’ character deals
- •Multiverse as a storytelling tool that removes timeline constraints
- •Everything Everywhere All at Once premise (life-branch switching)
- •McKenna’s ‘roads in time’ idea and consequences for society/ownership
- 1:22:08 – 1:26:14
Time travel research, cosmic panic, VR immersion, and ancient engineering mysteries
Joe cites Ronald Mallette and Gödel’s relativity solutions as theoretical pathways, but notes the enormous energy scales involved. Bert reacts with existential anxiety about infinity, and Tony asks about recreating the past via VR; Joe argues reconstructions would still be guesses, pointing to pyramids and Easter Island as enduring mysteries.
- •Ronald Mallette’s origin story and theoretical time-machine model
- •Gödel universe and closed timelike curves (high-level concept)
- •Existential dread when contemplating infinity and the cosmos
- •VR ‘time tourism’ vs the limits of historical certainty; pyramids as the ultimate anomaly
- 1:26:14 – 1:43:38
Virtual reality gets weird: Oculus, porn peripherals, and AI robots
Bert describes trying Oculus and immediately buying one, then the conversation veers into explicit comedic territory about VR porn, haptic devices, and how far tech could take fantasies. Joe pushes the hypothetical further: VR sex vs realistic AI robots and the psychological implications.
- •First Oculus experience and instant ‘sold’ reaction
- •VR porn and the escalation to haptic/interactive devices
- •Robot sex hypotheticals and ‘Westworld’ framing
- •How tech amplifies fantasy, secrecy, and behavioral extremes
- 1:43:38 – 3:35:43
Bulls, horses, and old-world rituals: rodeo danger, bullfighting, and running with the bulls
They trade stories about horses reading human energy, getting bucked off, and how dangerous large animals are—especially bulls. The discussion becomes visceral as they watch gore clips and debate bullfighting ethics, then Bert recounts witnessing (not running) the Running of the Bulls in Spain and how people seek proximity for pride.
- •Horses as sensitive, powerful animals; riding ‘flow state’ and fear
- •Rodeo/bull-riding as extreme risk; graphic injuries in clips
- •Bullfighting as a barbaric ritual that persists culturally
- •Running of the Bulls: how participants ‘touch the bull’ for status and how injuries happen
