Joe Rogan Experience #1835 - Mike Judge

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. MJMike Judge0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) So, uh, first of all, thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Thanks. Great to see you again.

   3. MJMike Judge0:16

      Thanks for having me, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      My pleasure.

   5. MJMike Judge0:18

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I watched Idiocracy this morning. (laughs)

   7. MJMike Judge0:20

      Oh, boy. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Dude-

   9. MJMike Judge0:22

      Uh-oh.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... it fucking holds up.

   11. MJMike Judge0:23

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       It holds up.

   13. MJMike Judge0:24

       Does it? Okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Oh, my God, it's funny.

   15. MJMike Judge0:27

       It's nice to hear.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I never saw the whole thing before. It was one of those movies that I just, for whatever reason, I just never saw the whole thing. It was just-

   17. MJMike Judge0:35

       Well, it kind of... yeah, it didn't have much of a release, so... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       It didn't?

   19. MJMike Judge0:40

       No, it d- they... It was, um... I mean, to be fair, like, it was a weird movie. It was hard to market.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       It's a funny fucking movie, man.

   21. MJMike Judge0:49

       (laughs) Oh, thanks.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       It's funny. I mean, I, I watched it in the gym while I was working out. I was cracking up.

   23. MJMike Judge0:55

       Oh, nice to hear.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       It was re- it was really good. It was, like, surprisingly funny. There was some great stuff about it. When (laughs) when it shows the very smart couple that's holding off on having children-

   25. MJMike Judge1:07

       Oh, yeah. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       ... and then the dumb people keep fucking. (laughs)

   27. MJMike Judge1:10

       (laughs) Yeah, that was, uh... I feel like I-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Ugh.

   29. MJMike Judge1:12

       ... really made the whole movie just to make that sequence.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm. …

   1. MJMike Judge15:00

      weird, cryptic negotiation where they said they wanna buy it. And I said, "What for?" And (laughs) like, and then I negotiated with ... It was Colossal Pictures, Liq- did Liquid w- Liquid Television. And then finally they said, "It's over." Oh, it was a long, ugly thing and then finally MTV came to me directly. I still didn't know what they were gonna do with it. I thought those little station IDs or something.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      Mm.

   3. MJMike Judge15:24

      And I was elated. I was like, "This is amazing. I'm just making these things in my house outside of Dallas and it's gonna be on MTV. That's amazing." And then I sold it. (laughs) I sold the whole thing to them for something like $18,000.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      Really? (laughs)

   5. MJMike Judge15:43

      (laughs) Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      The whole property? Everything?

   7. MJMike Judge15:44

      Yeah, I mean, I retained something that you'd never see any money from, but I was able to get it back later, years later, but, but-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      How'd you do that?

   9. MJMike Judge15:52

      Just 'cause they needed me to do it and I just, you know ... But it was (laughs) yeah, I sold it, uh, but I ... This was after months of negotiating and I'm like, "Well, I ... It takes me s- ... It would t- ... I was animating everything by myself. It would take me like six to eight weeks to make two minutes and after two Beavis and Butt-Head shorts I was kind of out of ideas anyway. (laughs) So I thought like, "Okay, I'll just ... This will be my, you know, admission fee to show business. I'll just sell this off just to meet people and, and have them know about me." And, and I ... You know, after ... Like I, I went to different lawyers and they're ... Like there was a, this mob lawyer in Dallas who was just like, "Don't sign it." And I said, "Well, then I just don't do this?" Like, I mean, I don't regret it, 'cause I've, I think they were ready to walk away. Um, it'd been months, you know, like five or six months, which I guess in show business isn't that long of a negotiation all the time. But yeah, then they, and then they flew me up there and then they started talking about we're going to do 65 episodes and (laughs) I was saying, "Okay, am I gonna be involved?" I don't ... Like, I didn't ... And they said, "Of course, it's your baby," and you know, um, but they didn't say any of that until they already owned it. (laughs) They didn't wanna ... Maybe it was part of the, you know, the whole Pauly Shore of it all and those people that had gotten out of there. But they did, they did ... Their lawyer had all the bad intentions of a good lawyer, but she wasn't all that great and didn't know animation, so there was some big, uh, holes in the contract that I was able to-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Exploit?

   11. MJMike Judge17:26

       Yeah, exploit later.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       (laughs)

   13. MJMike Judge17:28

       Yeah, she thought that I was gonna be doing the entire, all the animation myself, so there was like a per minute fee that was like (laughs) three seasons in my ... I got Mic- still my manager, Michael Rotenberg, who's also a lawyer, said, "Hey, uh, this thing says they owe you a ton of money." (laughs) So yeah, we had ... We were able to ... I was able to get it back and now I own it like 50/50 with them, so ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Oh, okay.

   15. MJMike Judge17:55

       That was after the movie and they wanted a sequel and all that stuff.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       And so this movie that you got coming out, when did this start getting developed?

   17. MJMike Judge18:04

       Um, let's see. I had the idea for it a long time ago. It was really about three years ago and then, um, right before the lockdown, 'cause it was Friday the 13th, March 2020, I had lunch with, uh (clears throat) ...... the, um, Chris McCarthy and, uh, Kais Hilig, or at the Paramount+ guys and, and just sealed the deal right then. And then made the entire movie with everyone on Zoom and Evercast. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       So when you pitch a movie, like a Beavis and Butt-Head movie, are you pitching, uh, a p- are you just saying, "Look, I wanna do a Beavis and Butt-Head movie?" Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butt-Head? Like what's the process?

   19. MJMike Judge18:49

       Oh. Well, with this one, with the sequel-

   20. NANarrator18:50

       (clears throat)

   21. MJMike Judge18:51

       ... they've been wanting a sequel for years, and I've pitched different- usually-

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       When did you make the first one?

   23. MJMike Judge18:57

       First one came out in '96, which was-

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       So it was, like, a couple year, was it like-

   25. MJMike Judge19:02

       So the show, the short first aired on, in '92. (clears throat) The series ai- started in March of '93. So the show had been on a while before the movie came out, like three years.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MJMike Judge19:13

       They wanted it sooner, but-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       And when did they stop, when'd you stop doing the, the television show?

   29. MJMike Judge19:17

       Um, fall of '98. (clears throat)

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Oh, wow.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

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   1. MJMike Judge30:00

      set up the camera, shoot the guy's ass. And, uh (laughs) , my cinematographer and I are just kinda going, "Okay, that's, uh, that's, that's good. Let's just..." I don't, I know we shot, like, 10 minutes, probably, but, um, anyway, the, years later, the guy, I, I, I'm introduced to this guy and his fiance and I'm looking at him and I go, "Oh, hey, um..." And he kinda looks at me, like, "Uh-uh. Uh-uh."

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      (laughs)

   3. MJMike Judge30:26

      And then, and I, I realize who it is and I go, "Oh," I said, 'cause I'm starting to say, "I think I've met you." He goes, "Mm-mm." And, (laughs) and then, uh-... later I, he goes, "Yeah, she doesn't know." (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      Why would she care?

   5. MJMike Judge30:40

      I think she does now. I sure, I heard she does now. Yeah. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Well, that's a bad start to a relationship if you're about to get married to a lady and you can't tell her, "Hey-

   7. MJMike Judge30:46

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      ... they filmed my ass for 10 minutes for Idiocracy."

   9. MJMike Judge30:50

      (laughs) Over the, what, what- (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       (laughs) Why, why did he want to not tell that? That doesn't make any sense.

   11. MJMike Judge30:54

       I think he eventually did, but at that point, he was kinda giving me the... Maybe it was, like, early on (laughs) in the relationship.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       He was trying to be taken seriously?

   13. MJMike Judge31:03

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Maybe had, like, a real job.

   15. MJMike Judge31:04

       (laughs) Oh, he did, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       What was he?

   17. MJMike Judge31:07

       Oh, he worked in some kind of, like, finance thing, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Yeah, that's probably it.

   19. MJMike Judge31:12

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       He was Mr. Serious.

   21. MJMike Judge31:13

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       (laughs)

   23. MJMike Judge31:15

       We got to-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       What a bummer that must be.

   25. MJMike Judge31:16

       We played that movie though in, like, I was... We had all those, you know, the juvenile delinquents, whatever, in there. I, uh, they might've been, like... I don't know how old they were, but we, we put, put it up there and I'm thinking like, "Okay, I gotta somehow get everyone to laugh, like, just laughing hysterically." We started playing it and they're just laughing hysterically. Like, it's nothing but (laughs) that bu- guy's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       Hmm.

   27. MJMike Judge31:37

       ... butt-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       (laughs)

   29. MJMike Judge31:37

       ... on the screen. And I was just thinking-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Ah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, I wonder if…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      television shows.

   2. MJMike Judge45:01

      Yeah, I wonder if it's gonna make a comeback.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Deadwood.

   4. MJMike Judge45:04

      Was there, wasn't there a Western recently? Um, didn't ... no. I'm-

   5. NANarrator45:10

      Yellowstone. Kind of.

   6. MJMike Judge45:11

      Yellowstone is a-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      You haven't seen that yet.

   8. NANarrator45:12

      No.

   9. MJMike Judge45:12

      ... modern, though.

   10. NANarrator45:13

       1883?

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:14

       Yeah, the, the prequel.

   12. NANarrator45:15

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       Right? Yeah.

   14. NANarrator45:17

       I haven't seen it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       I haven't seen that. Is that good?

   16. NANarrator45:18

       Uh, I haven't watched it yet, but I've heard it's good.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       Yellowstone's-

   18. NANarrator45:20

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       ... fucking great.

   20. NANarrator45:21

       I hear it's great. I gotta watch it. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       Yeah. Do you do much consuming of, uh, films and stuff when you're not making them?

   22. MJMike Judge45:30

       Um, I went through a long phase where I wasn't at all, um, and (clears throat) now I do. Yeah, now I (sniffs) try to watch a lot of stuff, but there's so much stuff I can't keep up. Uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Yeah, it's impossible. People are always telling me about-

   24. MJMike Judge45:41

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       ... "Oh, you gotta see Euphoria." I'm like, "How? How do I-"

   26. MJMike Judge45:44

       Yeah. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       "Where is my time?"

   28. NANarrator45:46

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       "You tell me how, how I can watch this."

   30. MJMike Judge45:47

       You know the thing that I just saw that made me absolutely want to watch it is, there's an entire series of Rowan Atkinson trying to kill a bee. Have you seen the trailer for this thing? (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:13

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   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      versus bacon, what's the difference? The most basic difference between pork belly and bacon is the pork belly cut isn't smoked or cured, and it only comes from the belly of the pig, the softer meat that is interchangeable with most recipes that call for pork, whereas bacon can be derived from the belly-

   2. MJMike Judge1:00:15

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      ... and is cured and sometimes smoked. Oh, so it's ... It is the same area, it's just turned into bacon. So streaky pork bacon-

   4. MJMike Judge1:00:24

      Oh, okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      ... is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon. Instead, pork belly is the whole slab cut from the flesh, fleshy underside of a pig. Streaky pork bacon is cut from this slab, and pork belly is unsmoked and uncured. Have you ever gone to, um, uh, Dai Due in town? Have you ever eaten there?

   6. MJMike Judge1:00:44

      Oh, that sounds familiar. No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      It's a fantastic restaurant made by ... It's, uh-

   8. MJMike Judge1:00:48

      Oh, Dai Due.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      The head chef is this guy, my friend Jesse Griffiths. And Jessie, uh, who's been a guest on the podcast before too, is, uh ... He runs a school. What is his school called again? He's got like, um ...... it's basically a school where he teaches people from scratch, and takes them. He does it in very limited numbers. The s- new school of traditional cookery. So, he takes-

   10. MJMike Judge1:01:12

       Oh, wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       ... people out from scratch. This is how you shoot a gun. This is how you pull a trigger. This is how you sight a rifle. This is how you kill a pig. This is how you butcher the pig.

   12. MJMike Judge1:01:23

       Oh, wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       This is how you cook the pig. And he's an u- incredible chef. His restaurant, Dai Due, is one of my absolute favorite places in Austin.

   14. MJMike Judge1:01:31

       I think I have heard of it. Where-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       It's amazing.

   16. MJMike Judge1:01:33

       Where is it? Is it...

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       I wanna say it's on Congress? Where's-

   18. MJMike Judge1:01:38

       I think I have heard of this. No, the-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       We'll, we'll pull it up.

   20. MJMike Judge1:01:40

       Yeah, when I saw the...

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       Uh, it's... Pull it up just to let him know. What's it on? They're here. Texas is here. Does it say what street's it on? Manna.

   22. MJMike Judge1:01:50

       Oh, yeah. Over there on... Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right by... Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       Uh, what... Just give me so I can-

   24. MJMike Judge1:01:55

       That used to be-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       ... read out the-

   26. MJMike Judge1:01:56

       It's by Hoover's. It's called Manna. It just-... It disappeared when I got close. It's called Manna Road off of-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       Manna Road.

   28. MJMike Judge1:02:00

       ... just, just east of Texas.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       Okay.

   30. MJMike Judge1:02:02

       Mann- Maynard?

Episode duration: 1:34:09