Joe Rogan Experience #1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

1. 0:00 – 0:12

   Intro

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

2. 0:12 – 2:43

   Texas studio vibes, “living large but toned,” and new projects (book + Netflix special)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Hello, lads.

   2. ISIliza Shlesinger0:13

      This room and office have gotten more more Texas.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Has it?

   4. ISIliza Shlesinger0:16

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      How so?

   6. ISIliza Shlesinger0:17

      Well, I thought that was a jackalope, but it's not. It's probably-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      It's a mule deer.

   8. ISIliza Shlesinger0:21

      ... that you ran down yourself and strangled.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      No, I shot it.

   10. ISIliza Shlesinger0:26

       I thought it was a jackalope, which is a very Texas thing. But it's, you know, you've got, you've got, like, the Mexican sugar skulls, and then you've got a lot of, I think ... Do you have a picture of Willie Nelson somewhere?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       No.

   12. ISIliza Shlesinger0:38

       Okay. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       (laughs) He probably should.

   14. ISIliza Shlesinger0:40

       Yeah, you need to. I'm sure he owned this land at some point. You got, like, the ... It's that very desert, conspiracy, alien, rugged, it's like a convergence of a lot of Texas things.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Hm.

   16. ISIliza Shlesinger0:50

       And it's very Te- ... And, and from here, I get it. Even the Joe Rogan Experience sign looks like a movie theater gas station marquee.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah, that was actually a gift by a friend of mine.

   18. ISIliza Shlesinger0:59

       I believe it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       And so wh- when he gave it to me, I was like, "That would be perfect, like, right behind me."

   20. ISIliza Shlesinger1:03

       Right behind you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah.

   22. ISIliza Shlesinger1:04

       So people know-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Where they're at.

   24. ISIliza Shlesinger1:05

       ... the people know what they're looking at.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   26. ISIliza Shlesinger1:07

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Plus, it's cool.

   28. ISIliza Shlesinger1:08

       It's the Joe Rogan Experience, baby.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       I like it. What's going on with you? How you livin'?

   30. ISIliza Shlesinger1:12

       Large.
3. 2:43 – 7:46

   Dad bites, treats, and The Rock’s “cheat meals” debate

   1. ISIliza Shlesinger2:43

      The worst is, I will say, now that I'm a mother, my husband is a father, I've noticed the bites he takes of my food when I share with him are, like, big dad bites. Like, nothing will infuriate a little girl more than when your dad takes a bite of your food and it's, like, a moose hunk out of it. And you're like, "It was just for a little bite," 'cause dads have big jaws.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      So, he, he takes food from you? How is this going on?

   3. ISIliza Shlesinger3:05

      I'll just be like, "Oh, do you wanna try it?" He'll be like, "Okay." And it will be, like, out of a peach, and it'll be, like, a fucking horse bite. And I'm like, "Okay, well, that was half the meal." (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:12

      Well, he's a chef.

   5. ISIliza Shlesinger3:14

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:14

      So he probably really enjoys food. So it's normal.

   7. ISIliza Shlesinger3:18

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      Right?

   9. ISIliza Shlesinger3:18

      It's, well, I don't know, I'm like, "Just do a deer lick." Doesn't have to be this Jurassic chomp taking half of it. And I remember growing up, if my dad took a bite of my ice cream, it was, like, full camel lips over the whole thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Mm-hmm.

   11. ISIliza Shlesinger3:31

       And just lifted up. You'll see. Ask ... Your, your, your kids get upset when you take a big bite of their food.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       I don't take their food.

   13. ISIliza Shlesinger3:37

       It's not ... Okay, taking samples.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       I don't take bites of their food.

   15. ISIliza Shlesinger3:40

       Oh, really?

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       No.

   17. ISIliza Shlesinger3:41

       Like, "Daddy wants to try."

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       Once they offer, they offer me something, I'll take it.

   19. ISIliza Shlesinger3:44

       I feel like you don't eat sugar.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       I eat a little bit of sugar every now and then. Yeah.

   21. ISIliza Shlesinger3:48

       It's like protein ice cream. Tell-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       T- it's like, I like treats. It's good.

   23. ISIliza Shlesinger3:53

       What kind o- what is it, what kinda treat does Joe Rogan eat?

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       I like ice cream.

   25. ISIliza Shlesinger3:57

       But you like a dark chocolate-

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Yeah.

   27. ISIliza Shlesinger3:59

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Yeah.

   29. ISIliza Shlesinger4:00

       You like the least fun version.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       No, dark chocolate's fun.
4. 7:46 – 11:24

   In-N-Out lines, LA congestion, and the reality of traffic for comics

   1. ISIliza Shlesinger7:46

      Do you wanna know the dirty secret about In-N-Out?

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:49

      Okay.

   3. ISIliza Shlesinger7:49

      It's this, like, iconic LA thing. You live there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      Yeah.

   5. ISIliza Shlesinger7:52

      There's actually only, like, three of them, and you can't go because the line is so long. So in your LA career, you will have eaten there maybe a little bit at the beginning, but you can't be bothered to wait in line with, like, the 4,000 teenagers in front of that high school where the one is on Orange to, like, get your burger.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      I don't know about that. I would go to L ... I mean, I went to the one in Woodland Hills, like, once a week.

   7. ISIliza Shlesinger8:15

      Yeah, that's Woodland Hills.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      Yeah.

   9. ISIliza Shlesinger8:16

      That's not the same density.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Yeah, but I was, like, a valley guy.

   11. ISIliza Shlesinger8:19

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       I never really lived in the city.

   13. ISIliza Shlesinger8:21

       You're talking about LA, I'm talking about Hollywood proper.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       I think Hollywood proper is bad for you.

   15. ISIliza Shlesinger8:25

       It is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       There's too many people.

   17. ISIliza Shlesinger8:26

       That's what I'm saying.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Too much going on.

   19. ISIliza Shlesinger8:27

       So you can't get the In-N-Out.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       Yeah, but you can. Just gotta time it right.

   21. ISIliza Shlesinger8:30

       You're like, you just fly in your helicopter.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       (laughs)

   23. ISIliza Shlesinger8:32

       You land on the roof, and you get your double-double.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       It ... They're pretty efficient in moving that line. There's that one that's near the 101, the one, uh-

   25. ISIliza Shlesinger8:40

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       ... near Hollywood.

   27. ISIliza Shlesinger8:40

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       I would always hit that one on the way home from the store.

   29. ISIliza Shlesinger8:43

       Yeah, I don't live ... I didn't live in w- ... I don't live in Woodland Hills, so my experience is a much more congested one.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Yeah.
5. 11:24 – 14:45

   Leaving LA? Europe touring highs and culture shock with healthcare

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:24

      Do you think you'll be in LA your rest- the rest of your life?

   2. ISIliza Shlesinger11:26

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:27

      No? Where you gonna go?

   4. ISIliza Shlesinger11:28

      I think about that. I was actually just talking to- I was talking to another comic who said they applied for Canadian citizenship as, like, an exit strategy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:35

      Jesus Christ.

   6. ISIliza Shlesinger11:37

      And, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      Who the fuck is that?

   8. ISIliza Shlesinger11:38

      I'm not gonna say it, just in case, for some reason, it was a secret, and now that I'm thinking it-

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:42

      Hmm.

   10. ISIliza Shlesinger11:42

       ... I'm not gonna say it. Um, I don't know. I ... So, we- everybody ... First of all, there's always the threat, like, "I'm moving outta here." I'm torn between my duty as an American to stay and make this a better place, right? Stay and fight for what you believe, and- and try and register people to vote, things like that. And I spent a month in Europe, uh, doing shows in October, and the first two weeks, I was like, "These people get it. They understand relaxing. They understand the value of life. This is beautiful." And by that third week, I was like, "Give me my fucking check. I have- I cannot die in this cafe. Like, why is there no CVS? Why can I not buy NyQuil?" I think I'm too programmed as an American to have everything when I need it and pay for the things that I need.Like, my husband got really sick, and we had to go to emergency room in Sweden. And they just left him there in a room for like five hours. And part of me was like, "You're doing this 'cause he's American." But then I was like, "Can we call a doctor? I'll, I'll pay for a doctor." As you would, if you were sick, you'd have someone come.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       Yeah.

   12. ISIliza Shlesinger12:43

       "This is not ... We do not do this." And I'm like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       Socialized medicine.

   14. ISIliza Shlesinger12:46

       But someone- I was like, "What, what if, what if a c- if a celebrity comes here and they need something, and their only revo-" They're like, "We had John Cleese, and he came, and he just waited." And I'm like-"

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       So that was a question you asked? If a celebrity came? (laughs)

   16. ISIliza Shlesinger12:58

       Seriously, like, what if, what if somebody who, let's say Beyoncé comes, and she needs, like, a steroid shot.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       Right?

   18. ISIliza Shlesinger13:04

       Not that I'm at Beyoncé's level, but here I am as an American, I'm like, "I'm willing to pay for something extra because he's sick, I'm pregnant, so I can't catch what he has. How can we speed this up? I have a show." And they were like, "He can just rot in this box?" And I would still move to Sweden. I really love the people. But I was, as an American that's used to being able to get what you need when you need it, that was a tough one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Yeah, I think the difference is, like, poor people in America probably have that experience too.

   20. ISIliza Shlesinger13:31

       I'm gonna, of course, people are gonna DM this to me, and they're gonna be like, "You're a fucking bitch. You-" I know, I know we're teed up for that. But you could, if you had the resources, and you could not make an appointment, you can call a doctor. I'm sure you've done it. And so, I was looking out for the, you know, Texas, you'll appreciate this, I was looking out for the life of my fetus. And I was just like, "How do we get him some medicine so that he's not getting even sicker?" He was sick for, like, two full weeks.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       Were you over there touring?

   22. ISIliza Shlesinger13:57

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       What were the shows like?

   24. ISIliza Shlesinger13:58

       Lit.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       Yeah?

   26. ISIliza Shlesinger13:59

       They were so, the crowds were so good. I did Portugal, I did Sweden, I did Norway. And, uh, just one more thing, they, they don't have medicine the way that we do here. Like, they didn't have, they don't give out drugs the way that we do. There was no NyQuil. Like, it w- they don't give out s- strong phar- pharmaceutical drugs like we do. And so, he couldn't take the things that he normally would take. And that was a, an interesting experience.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       So what do they give you?

   28. ISIliza Shlesinger14:25

       Some, like, Swedish sleeping pills? (laughs) I don't remember what they gave him. Everything, you know, they don't, we always, our pharmaceuticals are just, like, built into our everyday lives. Like, I, as a pregnant woman, went without any heartburn medicine, and I had to find, like, some special heartburn thing there, 'cause they don't have Tums. And it just, like, sticks in your teeth, and you're just like, "I hope this works." And it did.

6. 14:45 – 17:26

   Pregnancy heartburn, reflux risks, and on-the-road steroid shots

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:45

      What, what causes heartburn? Like, what are you getting heartburn from?

   2. ISIliza Shlesinger14:48

      Like acid reflux?

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:49

      Yeah.

   4. ISIliza Shlesinger14:49

      Like, just ... Well, when you're pregnant, the baby, everything's squished in.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:53

      Right.

   6. ISIliza Shlesinger14:53

      So your food sits, like, you can't eat and then lay down.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:56

      Oh.

   8. ISIliza Shlesinger14:56

      So it just kinda builds up. And so I get heartburn normally, and I would just get it worse. So I was just chewing on these tablets, I'm blanking on what they were called, and they had them all over Europe. So it was just a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      What the fuck is in those tablets? Like, what's in a Tums?

   10. ISIliza Shlesinger15:09

       I'll tell you what, I don't know, but my baby was born with, like, a grown man's head of hair. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Really?

   12. ISIliza Shlesinger15:15

       Like, a full head of hair. (laughs) And, like, already has, like, six teeth, and she's eight months old. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Wow.

   14. ISIliza Shlesinger15:20

       So it was those European heartburn tablets. Extra calcium, baby.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       So, like, if you get heartburn in America, is it diet-related? Is it stress-related? Like, what, what gives you heartburn?

   16. ISIliza Shlesinger15:32

       You don't have heartburn, ever?

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       No.

   18. ISIliza Shlesinger15:34

       I guess I don't have it as much now. I think a lot of things can. I think some, for some people, it is genetic.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Like, what's it feel like?

   20. ISIliza Shlesinger15:40

       It feels like there's something burning coming up your throat. Or, like, around it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       That happens all the, all the time with you?

   22. ISIliza Shlesinger15:46

       When I was pregnant, I got it a lot.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Do you get it, like, before you were pregnant? Did you get it-

   24. ISIliza Shlesinger15:51

       There was a time where I got it a lot. And I can't tell you why, and I, I'm not positive why I don't get it as much now. Obviously, if you eat acidic foods, like tomato sauce, any sort of nightshade, like a eggplant maybe, that'll do it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Really?

   26. ISIliza Shlesinger16:05

       Heavy, greasy food, it can do it. Some people have it so bad it can lead to esophageal cancer if it is-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Wow.

   28. ISIliza Shlesinger16:11

       ... a chronic thing.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       So the, the irritation is constant, and then it causes cancer?

   30. ISIliza Shlesinger16:15

       Uh, for some people, it can lead to that, like, that constant corrosion of that.
7. 17:26 – 21:33

   Sober October, drinking on stage, and the dangers of being drugged

   1. ISIliza Shlesinger17:26

      And a mother. Um, and I definitely don't dr- I never drank before I went on stage, not my thing, but I definitely, you guys were talking about Sober October, I don't think I drink enough in the first place to even qualify participating.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:40

      Bert sure does.

   3. ISIliza Shlesinger17:41

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:42

      Yeah, Bert goes hard. We, we started Sober October really kinda to intervene with Bert's lifestyle.

   5. ISIliza Shlesinger17:49

      For Bert. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:49

      And just try to see if we could just, like, at least one month a year.

   7. ISIliza Shlesinger17:51

      He could do it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:52

      Yeah, he does it.

   9. ISIliza Shlesinger17:53

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       He's done it, we've done it, like, four or five years in a row.

   11. ISIliza Shlesinger17:55

       Don't they do, like, weight loss challenges?

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       Yeah.

   13. ISIliza Shlesinger17:57

       Like him and T-

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       Yeah.

   15. ISIliza Shlesinger17:58

       It's like, it's all a part of the thing. Gain the weight and then lose it, and gain the w- and-

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Yeah.

   17. ISIliza Shlesinger18:03

       ... the drinking. But it's, that's part of the image too. Like, what do you do when something is so part of your ethos and everything?

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       Right.

   19. ISIliza Shlesinger18:10

       I think a lot of, like, I remember, I'm not gonna say the comic, there's one comic I know who drinks some sort of brown liquor on stage, and he was like, "It's iced tea." Like, at a certain point-

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       Really?

   21. ISIliza Shlesinger18:19

       ... you're like, "I can't sustain this." Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       Oh. That's, uh, that seems kinda fake.

   23. ISIliza Shlesinger18:23

       I mean, if it's part of a prop and it's part of a thing-

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       Yeah, but just be real.

   25. ISIliza Shlesinger18:30

       Yo, I don't drink at all before shows. I keep it very real.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:33

       I, I was on stage once and someone gave me a fake shot, and I go, "What the fuck is this?" And then they're like, the, the waiter brought over a fake shot 'cause they, they'd thought... I go, "No, get me the real stuff."

   27. ISIliza Shlesinger18:43

       You wanted the real thing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       I'm a grown, grown adult.

   29. ISIliza Shlesinger18:45

       I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       No, somebody ga- gave me a shot. They said, "Get him a shot," and so they-
8. 21:33 – 26:22

   Abortion politics, religion vs power, and why issues become “political footballs”

   1. ISIliza Shlesinger21:33

      Are just, like, voting for pro-life legislation, like those kind of people, for sure.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:37

      That's what I was gonna say. No. I don't know.

   3. ISIliza Shlesinger21:39

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:39

      I don't know if they're the same folks. I think those are religious folks.

   5. ISIliza Shlesinger21:41

      Why not lump them in?

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:42

      Well-

   7. ISIliza Shlesinger21:43

      I got no problem with it. Lump them in.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:44

      But I think pro-life people, the problem with the, the whole pro-life abortion thing is, like, when it gets late term, you know, that's when people get weirded out.

   9. ISIliza Shlesinger21:53

      Well, I don't think that's what they're, I don't think they're considering that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       No.

   11. ISIliza Shlesinger21:55

       I think they're like, from the jump, "Whatever's worse for the girl, let's do that."

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       You think that's really what they think?

   13. ISIliza Shlesinger22:00

       Yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       I think they're doing it for religious purposes.

   15. ISIliza Shlesinger22:03

       I-

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       I think they really, there's pe- I've had a guy on this podcast, the CEO of the Babylon Bee, and his perception is that life begins at the moment of conception.

   17. ISIliza Shlesinger22:11

       That's cool, that that's his perception for something that he doesn't have to carry-

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Right.

   19. ISIliza Shlesinger22:16

       ... or contend with.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Yeah.

   21. ISIliza Shlesinger22:16

       I'm not interested in that. Uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       If, if men had to carry, it would be a completely different ballgame.

   23. ISIliza Shlesinger22:21

       You could get an abortion at a frozen yogurt shop.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       Yeah.

   25. ISIliza Shlesinger22:24

       Huh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       It'd be an app on your phone.

   27. ISIliza Shlesinger22:25

       And look, I, I think the thing that worries me the most about it is there are the people who believe in this for religious reasons.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       Yeah.

   29. ISIliza Shlesinger22:32

       Okay? They've, they've, they've drank that Kool-Aid. But I do believe the people at the top that are administering this legislation, that are passing these bills, that are reaping the benefits of these things socioeconomically, they are saying it's for religious pur- You gotta wrap it in something digestible.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       Mm-hmm.
9. 26:22 – 31:06

   Speech backlash, Dixie Chicks fallout, and gendered threats in public life

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:22

      Well, the Dixie Chicks, do you remember when the Dixie Chicks came out and said that they were embarrassed that-

   2. ISIliza Shlesinger26:27

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:27

      ... George W. Bush was our president, and then the fucking South went after them?

   4. ISIliza Shlesinger26:31

      Oh, yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:31

      And they were fucked. Like, I think it kind of tanked their career.

   6. ISIliza Shlesinger26:35

      So-

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:35

      'Cause they were very popular.

   8. ISIliza Shlesinger26:37

      I think it was Natalie, I th- I wanna say it was Natalie Maines is the one that said it, uh, and they went, two of them went to my high school. Their mom was, uh, our teacher. Um ...

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:45

      Wow.

   10. ISIliza Shlesinger26:46

       What's unfortunate, and this is when we, you know, this was an opportunity for men who hate women to decimate someone, and women who uphold that sort of thinking of, you know, women should keep their mouths shut-

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:02

       The Dixie Chick thing was?

   12. ISIliza Shlesinger27:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       Yeah?

   14. ISIliza Shlesinger27:04

       I was in a coffee shop in the middle of Texas not long ago, and I have a shirt on that says, "Apologize to the Dixie Chicks." It says The Chicks, and that kinda obfuscates the message, but Apologize to the Chicks. And there was a man sitting there. We're in the middle of Texas at a coffee shop, like a local watering hole kinda coffee shop. And you could tell, and he was probably in his 70s, nice Texas man, and he was like, "This is our coffee shop. What does your shirt mean?" And I explained to him about the Dixie Chicks, how given everything that's happened, they didn't deserve the hellfire that rained down on them for expressing an opinion. And his opinion was, "Well, you know, you can't go around saying stuff about your government." It's like, "Well, you can, actually. It's called freedom of speech. You guys fight for it every day." And I simply said to him, "You know, I can get mad at someone for their political opinion, but I, I strangely draw the line at threatening to kill a woman or rape her over that opinion." And he stepped back, and he was like, "Well, yeah, that's a lot." So, I think people don't realize, especially when a woman says something wrong, the types of threats that come down, that you might brush off or a guy doesn't think about. But if I get up and I'm like, "I hate Joe Rogan. I hate his podcast." And s- you'll get men that are like, "I hope you get raped. I hope you die." Like, and these experiences, and I actually talk about this in my new special, it's a lot funnier than I'm making it sound now, are not just online. They get carried out. People shoot up schools because of their hatred of women.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:28

       What school's been shot up because of hatred of women?

   16. ISIliza Shlesinger28:30

       University of Santa Barbara. That kid wrote a whole manifesto.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:33

       Oh, that's right. That's that, that was like the first incel, right?

   18. ISIliza Shlesinger28:37

       Montreal.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       In terms of like a, a popular incel-

   20. ISIliza Shlesinger28:40

       Uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       ... like where, where it was discussed?

   22. ISIliza Shlesinger28:41

       1989, Montreal massacre. This guy also having an issue with being unfuckable, shot a, shot a bunch of people in the name of this. It is som- the guy that shot up that strip mall in Atlanta had a whole thing about how women don't pay attention to him. Those were Asian women he targeted. So this is, these, we're talking about she said something as a political belief, and then, by and large, what happens is you do something, and then people come at you. You know, you bring a knife to a fight, people come with a gun, literally.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       Mm-hmm.

   24. ISIliza Shlesinger29:10

       These are very real things that women have to think about when you exercise your free speech or just ideas just as a man would. You have to think about your physical safety. These are very real things. It's the reason I have a security at shows. It's not because of women, it's not 'cause of women coming up to me-

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:26

       Yeah.

   26. ISIliza Shlesinger29:26

       ... which they have, and like, that's not scary. (laughs) But you never know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       But if a man came out and said, "I'm embarrassed that George W. Bush is our president," and he did it like that, he wouldn't have to think about that aspect. It wouldn't be, "I hope you get raped."

   28. ISIliza Shlesinger29:38

       Uh, it may, uh, I mean, it might not be rape. People might say violent things about him.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:42

       For sure.

   30. ISIliza Shlesinger29:42

       You'll get people that, you know, but when you and I leave a building at night, you think, we've talked about this.
10. 31:06 – 42:37

    Cancel culture, internet mobs, surveillance, and filming strangers for content

    1. ISIliza Shlesinger31:06

       It's so warped, you know. And it, I don't think cancel culture is any different. You know, you take someone, let's say you made a bad joke once, people would want, they want you to not, it's not about the apology, they want your career ruined. And so you look at someone like Harvey Weinstein, that man should be in jail, because what he did to so many women was horrific. One guy touches a woman in a, by accident, that, actually, I take that back, 'cause that never happens. One person says something, they say they're sorry, I think oftentimes the punishment outweighs the crime.

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       Well, it does today, because there's sport in it. There's sport in trying to take someone down.

    3. ISIliza Shlesinger31:47

       Yes.

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       There's sport in trying to ruin someone's life. And there's also a lot of people out there that don't have anything going on, and which is always the people that do things like this.

    5. ISIliza Shlesinger31:56

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       You know, it's not someone who's got their life in order that, uh, starts some sort of a campaign to cancel someone for a bad joke. It's usually someone who's a fucking loser.

    7. ISIliza Shlesinger32:06

       Absolutely. And then what happens is, there's, like there's, it becomes this overcorrect. There are people who deserve to be canceled for doing terrible things over and over, but nobody ever thinks they did anything wrong. So then you get this other side that's like, "Oh, if a guy looks at a woman wrong, he's gonna get canceled." I used to think no one was getting canceled who didn't deserve it. But the more we move into this cancel culture, the more I start to ask, like if somebody does one thing wrong that really, you know, that hurts no one, or they write a joke, or they say something, or they, you know, hit on a woman, right? W- what, is it a pound of flesh that's owed? Is it your whole life?

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:41

       Yeah.

    9. ISIliza Shlesinger32:42

       Is it money, like what's owed?

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:43

        Well, it's like are you defined by your worst moment?

    11. ISIliza Shlesinger32:47

        I believe so.

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:47

        And does, does that negate ... Well, it depends on what your worst, worst moment is.

    13. ISIliza Shlesinger32:50

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:50

        Shoot up a school, for sure.

    15. ISIliza Shlesinger32:52

        Yes.

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:52

        You know, i- if your worst moment is a bad joke, no. It's, but it's, it's the sport of it that's the problem, and it's also navigating this newfound power that people have through the internet.

    17. ISIliza Shlesinger33:04

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan33:04

        You know, the, what comes with this great power is great responsibility, but there's no responsibility to people that can just attack people online. And they enjoy it, and they enjoy it from the anonymity of their own bubble, and they're tweeting, and, you know, or whatever they're doing to try-

    19. ISIliza Shlesinger33:18

        You're absolutely right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan33:19

        And it's, um, it's, it's navigating this new power and navigating this new world that we live in where cancel culture type things, that people look for them.

    21. ISIliza Shlesinger33:29

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:29

        You know, they're looking for a nail because they have a hammer. You know, if you give someone, uh, a big box of rocks and there's a window there, there's a very strong urge to throw a rock at that window. And it's very rare that someone takes like this compassionate, charitable view of another human being and just goes, "You know, people make mistakes."

    23. ISIliza Shlesinger33:48

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan33:48

        "And the most important thing is that we all try to do better, that everybody tries to do better in their life."

    25. ISIliza Shlesinger33:53

        I think people say that, and then when it comes to whatever their agenda is, they forget about that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:58

        Right.

    27. ISIliza Shlesinger33:58

        And I understand rage, and I understand, I understand hurt, um, but I don't think people understand context. And I think because people, you say hurt people, hurt people, I think people feel so powerless and so angry-

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:12

        Yeah.

    29. ISIliza Shlesinger34:12

        ... so you grab onto whatever you can grab onto, and I think we just have to be careful in rallying those troops. You know, I think of the petulant internet masses, and I do talk about this in my book, I think of them as like zombies. Like in every movie it's always like, "Be quiet, be quiet," 'cause you don't want the zombie-

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:27

        Right.
11. 42:37 – 48:01

    Click-driven media, biased headlines, and the exhaustion of “doing your own research”

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:37

       Yeah.

    2. ISIliza Shlesinger42:37

       ... those writers, it's never about them and it always becomes about the story. This is... That's a shitty way to make a living is just-... pretending it's journalism, but really showing how fat someone got. (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       Well, it is a vulturous way to make a living. There's a, there's a bunch of articles that I'm seeing lately, maybe it's just, like, my Google News feed, but there was... Articles are, like, of weird sh- Like, how is this an article? Like, one of 'em was like, a guy left a bad tip, so the woman chased him down out in the street and confronted him. And this is an article.

    4. ISIliza Shlesinger43:06

       People do those things all the time.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       And I'm like, that's an everyday occurrence if you're a waitress.

    6. ISIliza Shlesinger43:09

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:10

       Like, the idea that this is now a story.

    8. ISIliza Shlesinger43:12

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:12

       But it doesn't matter because that's the kinda thing that makes people click on things. 'Cause journalism is kinda fucked now because it's all about clicks-

    10. ISIliza Shlesinger43:19

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:19

        ... because you don't really make a lotta money off of print journalism anymore.

    12. ISIliza Shlesinger43:23

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:23

        So they-

    14. ISIliza Shlesinger43:24

        The sensationalism of it.

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:25

        Yeah. So what they're getting money from is advertising clicks. And believe it or not, a woman chasing down a guy who left a shitty tip will get you just as much clicks as, you know, some climate change accord where, you know, some consortium of scientists get together.

    16. ISIliza Shlesinger43:40

        And chain themselves-

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:41

        Yeah.

    18. ISIliza Shlesinger43:41

        ... to a Bank of America building. It is, how do we sensationalize everything? The right news doesn't get the, the correct news doesn't get the appropriate attention. And you really do... It is harder and harder to seek out the education that you deserve. It is harder and harder to educate yourself because everybody is positive that they're right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        Mm-hmm.

    20. ISIliza Shlesinger44:02

        Everybody's positive everyone is wrong. It's hard to trust people and it's hard to know what side of the graph you're looking at.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        Right.

    22. ISIliza Shlesinger44:09

        And it require- And none of us, for the most part, have it. And everybody's very content to sound off on anyone if you have an opinion, as if they have all the facts, but they just got them from another talking head.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        Right.

    24. ISIliza Shlesinger44:21

        So that's why scientists and doctors and people with degrees in this are so important versus just taking this news from wherever.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        That's also why objective journalism is so important and it's very difficult to find nowadays. It's very hard-

    26. ISIliza Shlesinger44:33

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:33

        ... because everything is biased from one perspective, whether it's a right wing perspective or a left wing perspective, and they flavor-

    28. ISIliza Shlesinger44:39

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:40

        ... and, and shape and mold the narrative just to suit whatever they think their audience wants to hear.

    30. ISIliza Shlesinger44:44

        Well, you have to have your eyes so open because if you are coming from any sort of marginalized group that colors it... Like, I'm Jewish, so when I see a headline about Jews or Israel or Palestine, I always pay attention to the phrasing.
12. 48:01 – 1:16:27

    Breaking news: Biden’s marijuana pardons and the politics of “doing the right thing”

    1. NANarrator48:01

       ... a little bit of breaking news.

    2. ISIliza Shlesinger48:02

       Oh, God.

    3. NANarrator48:03

       On this-

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:04

       Biden pardons-

    5. ISIliza Shlesinger48:05

       Whoa.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       ... thousands of people convicted of marijuana possession under federal law. Wow.

    7. ISIliza Shlesinger48:09

       As it should be.

    8. NANarrator48:09

       And here's the whole statement they made-

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:10

       Oh, yeah.

    10. NANarrator48:10

        ... on Twitter 15 minutes ago.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:11

        "As I said before, no one should be in jail for just using or possessing marijuana. Today, I'm taking steps to end our failed approach."

    12. ISIliza Shlesinger48:17

        Wait, does-

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:17

        "Allow me to lay them out." Fuck yeah.

    14. ISIliza Shlesinger48:19

        What if, what if the first half-

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:20

        What about s-

    16. ISIliza Shlesinger48:20

        ... just said, "PS I'm high as fuck right now"?

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:22

        LOL. (laughs) High AF, right?

    18. ISIliza Shlesinger48:26

        High AF.

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:26

        "Second, I'm calling on governors to pardon simple state marijuana possession offenses."

    20. ISIliza Shlesinger48:30

        Yes.

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:31

        "Just as no one should be in federal prison..." Look at the likes going up. That's amazing.

    22. ISIliza Shlesinger48:35

        Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:35

        "No one should be in federal prison solely for possessing marijuana. No one should be in a local jail or state prison for that reason either. Third-"

    24. ISIliza Shlesinger48:42

        Agreed.

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:43

        "... we classify marijuana at the same level as heroin and more serious than fentanyl. It makes no sense. I'm asking Secretary..." I don't know how to say that name. Becerna? Becer-

    26. ISIliza Shlesinger48:53

        Becerra?

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:54

        ... Becerra, "uh, and the attorney general to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law."I'd also like to note that as federal and state regulations change, we still need important limitations on trafficking, marketing, and underage sales-

    28. ISIliza Shlesinger49:08

        Yes.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:08

        ... of marijuana. Yes.

    30. ISIliza Shlesinger49:09

        Yes.

Episode duration: 2:04:17