Joe Rogan Experience #1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

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Joe Rogan 0:12 Hello, lads.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:13 This room and office have gotten more more Texas.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Has it?

Iliza Shlesinger 0:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:17 How so?

Iliza Shlesinger 0:17 Well, I thought that was a jackalope, but it's not. It's probably-

Joe Rogan 0:20 It's a mule deer.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:21 ... that you ran down yourself and strangled.

Joe Rogan 0:23 No, I shot it.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:26 I thought it was a jackalope, which is a very Texas thing. But it's, you know, you've got, you've got, like, the Mexican sugar skulls, and then you've got a lot of, I think ... Do you have a picture of Willie Nelson somewhere?

Joe Rogan 0:37 No.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:38 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:39 (laughs) He probably should.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:40 Yeah, you need to. I'm sure he owned this land at some point. You got, like, the ... It's that very desert, conspiracy, alien, rugged, it's like a convergence of a lot of Texas things.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Hm.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:50 And it's very Te- ... And, and from here, I get it. Even the Joe Rogan Experience sign looks like a movie theater gas station marquee.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah, that was actually a gift by a friend of mine.

Iliza Shlesinger 0:59 I believe it.

Joe Rogan 1:00 And so wh- when he gave it to me, I was like, "That would be perfect, like, right behind me."

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03 Right behind you.

Joe Rogan 1:04 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04 So people know-

Joe Rogan 1:05 Where they're at.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05 ... the people know what they're looking at.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Plus, it's cool.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:08 It's the Joe Rogan Experience, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:10 I like it. What's going on with you? How you livin'?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:12 Large.

Joe Rogan 1:13 And charged?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:13 Large, but toned.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Toned?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:16 (laughs) Living toned. That's what every ... That's the girl answer. Like, large, not taking up too much space, but I'm owning it.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Yeah, girls don't wanna live large, right? You don't wanna say large.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:25 I g- I g- unless you're, like, that's, yeah, that's the frame. You wanna be taking up metaphysical space but also toned.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Unless it's big girl summer.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:33 Big, yo-

Joe Rogan 1:34 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 1:34 ... I'm all for a big girl summer. I'm all for a gross girl summer. I'm all for no one actually cares.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Gross girl summer? No one's actually tried that, have they?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:43 I don't think you have to try. I think you just are gross girl.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:45 And you should be like-

Joe Rogan 1:46 Just don't bring it up.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:47 Don't bring it up. And just exist in your cave and be like, "I'm just gross girl, enjoying my cheese."

Joe Rogan 1:53 So, your book's out?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:55 My book, All Thi- which I gave you a copy of.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:57 Did you leave it in the bathroom?

Joe Rogan 1:58 No, no, it's on the bookshelf out there.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:00 Okay. Uh, my book, All Things Aside: Absolutely Correct Opinions (Collection of Personal Essays) , is out on October 11th, the same day as my Netflix special, Hot Forever.

Joe Rogan 2:11 You excited?

Iliza Shlesinger 2:12 I'm pumped.

Joe Rogan 2:13 Yeah?

Iliza Shlesinger 2:13 Like many comics, I flew here to do this and then booked a bunch of stuff around it, uh, and have-

Joe Rogan 2:18 Thanks for the bracelets.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:20 Thank you. Oh, I, I, I'm surprised they fit.

Joe Rogan 2:22 They do. They're, they're spr- they're stringy.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:24 They are stringy.

Joe Rogan 2:24 They, they have a elastic in 'em.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:26 But like I s- you, I thought, I think of putting a bracelet on you like a really s- like, vascular wolf.

Joe Rogan 2:31 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 2:31 And I thought the beads would just go everywhere, so give 'em to your daughters when you're done stretching out.

Joe Rogan 2:35 I will.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:36 I will.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:37 Um.

Joe Rogan 2:37 I'll give 'em to them. They'll be mad that I wore it.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:39 (laughs) Yeah, 'cause you got, like, gross dad juices on it?

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah, it smells like a man.

Iliza Shlesinger 2:43 The worst is, I will say, now that I'm a mother, my husband is a father, I've noticed the bites he takes of my food when I share with him are, like, big dad bites. Like, nothing will infuriate a little girl more than when your dad takes a bite of your food and it's, like, a moose hunk out of it. And you're like, "It was just for a little bite," 'cause dads have big jaws.

Joe Rogan 3:03 So, he, he takes food from you? How is this going on?

Iliza Shlesinger 3:05 I'll just be like, "Oh, do you wanna try it?" He'll be like, "Okay." And it will be, like, out of a peach, and it'll be, like, a fucking horse bite. And I'm like, "Okay, well, that was half the meal." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:12 Well, he's a chef.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:14 So he probably really enjoys food. So it's normal.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:18 Right?

Iliza Shlesinger 3:18 It's, well, I don't know, I'm like, "Just do a deer lick." Doesn't have to be this Jurassic chomp taking half of it. And I remember growing up, if my dad took a bite of my ice cream, it was, like, full camel lips over the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:31 And just lifted up. You'll see. Ask ... Your, your, your kids get upset when you take a big bite of their food.

Joe Rogan 3:36 I don't take their food.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:37 It's not ... Okay, taking samples.

Joe Rogan 3:39 I don't take bites of their food.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:40 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 3:41 No.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:41 Like, "Daddy wants to try."

Joe Rogan 3:42 Once they offer, they offer me something, I'll take it.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:44 I feel like you don't eat sugar.

Joe Rogan 3:46 I eat a little bit of sugar every now and then. Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:48 It's like protein ice cream. Tell-

Joe Rogan 3:49 T- it's like, I like treats. It's good.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:53 What kind o- what is it, what kinda treat does Joe Rogan eat?

Joe Rogan 3:55 I like ice cream.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:57 But you like a dark chocolate-

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 3:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:00 You like the least fun version.

Joe Rogan 4:01 No, dark chocolate's fun.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:03 Th- that's spoken like an anorexic woman.

Joe Rogan 4:05 (laughs) With (laughs) hot fudge and whipped cream on it?

Iliza Shlesinger 4:07 Wha- so you actually like the flavor of dark choc-

Joe Rogan 4:09 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:09 You like bitterness.

Joe Rogan 4:10 I like a little bitterness.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:11 You should lick a stick. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 4:12 I like dark chocolate mixed with peanut butter. That's what I like. I like to take a bar of dark chocolate.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:18 You know, like, that, like, fucking 80% cacao chocolate.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:20 (laughs) Ugh.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Just dip it into peanut butter.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:23 It's, it reminds me of (laughs) , I don't wanna ... This is the only way I can shit on this, 'cause I think he's great. When you look at The Rock's Instagram, I have to say this publicly, 'cause I respect this person so much. His cheat day meals really bother me.

Joe Rogan 4:38 They're insane.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:39 They're insane, but they're not indulgent. I'm sor- it's, it'll be, like-

Joe Rogan 4:43 But he has, like, giant pancakes and cookies.

Iliza Shlesinger 4:45 They don't look like regular (clears throat) pancakes.

Joe Rogan 4:48 They don't?

Iliza Shlesinger 4:48 It's never, like, buttermilk whipped cream. It's, like, protein, coconut, pineapple, with, uh, like, flavonoid peanut butter, and then Teremana tequila. Like, it's never, like, the full indulgence. And turkey bacon, that's an indulgence?

Joe Rogan 5:03 He has turkey bacon?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:04 Lots of it. I'm just like, "Let loose."

Joe Rogan 5:06 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 5:06 Like, "Where's that block of cheese and, like, an IV of chili?"

Joe Rogan 5:09 Well, he'll have, like, a giant tray of sushi.

Iliza Shlesinger 5:12 But it's garba- I, I'm s- Dwayne, you have millions of dollars. Like, it, it's Costco sushi.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:17 It just doesn't look ... It's, like, a rainbow roll, and, like, you can afford the best sushi, eat that.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Oh, that's what he likes?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:24 No.

Joe Rogan 5:24 No? He doesn't like it?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:26 He s- it's someth- something's up there.

Joe Rogan 5:27 You think?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:28 I, this, I just, I want, as a wish fulfillment, when I look at that, I wanna see full indulgence, not, like, protein-powered, plant-based peanut butter.

Joe Rogan 5:38 I don't think that's what he does. Go to, go to his In- Instagram, find some-

Narrator 5:41 I'm waiting with this most recent one.

Joe Rogan 5:42 Cheat meals.

Narrator 5:42 It's in a video, so he's getting to, he's talking, but-

Joe Rogan 5:45 What does he got there?

Narrator 5:45 ... there you go. He does have turkey bacon. It's a-

Iliza Shlesinger 5:46 Okay, like, is this fun for you?

Joe Rogan 5:48 Turkey bacon's bullshit.

Iliza Shlesinger 5:48 Here's a whole family of chickens, a wheat-free corn muffin.

Joe Rogan 5:52 That's a cheat meal?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:52 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 5:53 What is that?

Iliza Shlesinger 5:53 This is no fun.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Yeah, turkey bacon is definitely not fun. I don't understand it. But, you know, I mean, that's a guy that, like-

Iliza Shlesinger 6:00 If you-

Joe Rogan 6:00 ... literally makes his living off of being lean.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:02 I hear that.

Narrator 6:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:03 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 6:03 But I'm saying, if you go to the top, I know this one recently, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 6:06 Oh, it's there, on there.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:06 ... this is something that I bond with my old assistant over, is looking at his cheat meals. I think it's all the way at the top, or m- you know, I don't know where it is now. It's these pancakes that just don't look right.Dwayne The Rock Johnson, I'm calling you out. (laughs) They- they got, like, peanut butter, and it's, like, coconut. Coconut, to me, is one of those, like, sugar substitute kinda things.

Joe Rogan 6:26 So what do we got here?

Iliza Shlesinger 6:28 Look at this.

Joe Rogan 6:28 That looks good.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:29 Coconut banana pancake smothered with peanut butter, blessed with maple syrup.

Joe Rogan 6:32 That's fucking pretty indulgent.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:34 I don't know. Something about it. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 6:37 All right.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:37 ... the peanut butter, you could, like, "That's my protein." Something about it.

Joe Rogan 6:40 I don't know. He likes peanut butter. Maybe it's just in your head. Maybe you need to let it go.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:44 You trying to gaslight me?

Joe Rogan 6:45 What is your-

Iliza Shlesinger 6:45 I'm trying to food shame this man. You're trying to gaslight me?

Joe Rogan 6:47 I don't think it's food shame. I- it doesn't-

Iliza Shlesinger 6:49 This goes ...

Joe Rogan 6:49 ... make any sense to me. I'm just trying to, like, I'm trying to see your perspective, but it doesn't-

Iliza Shlesinger 6:53 I'm not seeing the full caloric blast. I'm seeing ... I'm just ... I'm wanting to see-

Joe Rogan 6:58 That looks pretty fucking caloric.

Iliza Shlesinger 6:59 ... a full back of bacon. I'm wanting to see heavy whipped cream, a-

Joe Rogan 7:02 Look at all that maple syrup.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:03 ... fruit compote. You don't know, you don't see that bottle. You don't know what that is. That could be Elmer's Glue, and he doesn't need it at all.

Joe Rogan 7:08 You think it's, like, some sugar-free maple syrup? Is that what you're thinking?

Iliza Shlesinger 7:11 I think those are keto pancakes, sugar-free agave-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Mm.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:14 ... tinted nectar, and creatine powder-

Joe Rogan 7:17 Oh, that's ...

Iliza Shlesinger 7:17 ... mixed in with nuts.

Joe Rogan 7:18 I don't think so. Looks like regular pancakes.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:21 No way. Too chunky. Something's going on.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah?

Iliza Shlesinger 7:23 Something's going on, Joe.

Joe Rogan 7:25 I don't know. Looks normal to me.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:27 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:29 I'm a pancake guy.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:29 Well, thanks for having me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:31 I like ... Well, there you go, In-N-Out Burgers, fries, double-doubles-

Iliza Shlesinger 7:35 That's a-

Joe Rogan 7:35 ... with tequila. That looks good.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:37 It's a different meal. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:38 That's solid, right?

Iliza Shlesinger 7:39 You wanna go full indulgence, you get those fries animal style.

Joe Rogan 7:42 No. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the animal. You're not either, Jamie? Not a big animal person.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:46 Do you wanna know the dirty secret about In-N-Out?

Joe Rogan 7:49 Okay.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:49 It's this, like, iconic LA thing. You live there.

Joe Rogan 7:52 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 7:52 There's actually only, like, three of them, and you can't go because the line is so long. So in your LA career, you will have eaten there maybe a little bit at the beginning, but you can't be bothered to wait in line with, like, the 4,000 teenagers in front of that high school where the one is on Orange to, like, get your burger.

Joe Rogan 8:10 I don't know about that. I would go to L ... I mean, I went to the one in Woodland Hills, like, once a week.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:15 Yeah, that's Woodland Hills.

Joe Rogan 8:16 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:16 That's not the same density.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah, but I was, like, a valley guy.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 I never really lived in the city.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:21 You're talking about LA, I'm talking about Hollywood proper.

Joe Rogan 8:23 I think Hollywood proper is bad for you.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:25 It is.

Joe Rogan 8:25 There's too many people.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:26 That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 8:27 Too much going on.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:27 So you can't get the In-N-Out.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Yeah, but you can. Just gotta time it right.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:30 You're like, you just fly in your helicopter.

Joe Rogan 8:32 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 8:32 You land on the roof, and you get your double-double.

Joe Rogan 8:35 It ... They're pretty efficient in moving that line. There's that one that's near the 101, the one, uh-

Iliza Shlesinger 8:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:40 ... near Hollywood.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:40 I would always hit that one on the way home from the store.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:43 Yeah, I don't live ... I didn't live in w- ... I don't live in Woodland Hills, so my experience is a much more congested one.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:50 Like, I don't leave the house between the hours of like 7:00 and 10:00, or like 3:30 until Christmas next year.

Joe Rogan 8:56 'Cause there's too many humans.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:58 It's just too much.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 8:59 It's just too many people who don't understand urban etiquette, too many people who don't ... It's just too much. It's too congested.

Joe Rogan 9:05 What's urban etiquette?

Iliza Shlesinger 9:06 When you grow up in a city knowing, like, green means go, red means stop, yellow is maybe you go, adhering to the, like, civic laws, versus, like, "I'll just put my head down, open up Candy Crush, and put my foot on the gas and just go." People are just, they're just walking whenever, going whenever.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Well, there's just too many humans in LA, and it ... You- you lose value. Like, people become a m- they become a- ... (sighs) They- they- they become a nuisance rather than, like, your community, you know? It's like there's too many of them.

Iliza Shlesinger 9:38 I think you have to carve out your community, and you spend a lot of time and effort to find, like, your little chunk of a hovel of a- of a community. And I used to joke that everyone says LA has too many people, and then I was j- ... And I thought, "LA actually has the perfect amount of people 'cause half of them moved to Austin, and then a bunch of people died in the pandemic." So we have-

Joe Rogan 9:56 And the rest are intense.

Iliza Shlesinger 9:57 We have a dif- ... In- intense, yeah. We have a ... It's a lot. It's just, everybody has a car. We don't have a great public transit. It's not like New York where everyone takes the public transit.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:08 So-

Joe Rogan 10:08 No, it's terrible.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:09 So when people complain about traffic in Austin, I'm like, "This is a picnic." Love it.

Joe Rogan 10:13 No. People that complain about traffic in Austin were born here.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:16 They don't understand what-

Iliza Shlesinger 10:17 They-

Joe Rogan 10:17 ... traffic is.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:18 They don't ... I've seen battle.

Joe Rogan 10:20 Traffic here is a joke. I'll- I'll leave here at 5:00 and drive home easy.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:24 It's nothing.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:25 It's great. The-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:26 I was in the Uber yesterday. He's like, "I apologize for the traffic."

Joe Rogan 10:29 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 10:29 I'm like, "I literally haven't ... I didn't even ... It doesn't phase me."

Joe Rogan 10:32 It's all relative though. That's why people get used to LA's traffic. Or the worst is Orange County people. That- that's a fucking nightmare. I'm trying to get to Orange County, and then try to get outta Orange County and get to LA? That's a joke.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:43 Especially as a comic, it's such a specific grind because, like, if you were gonna play the Irvine Improv just for a quick gig, you have to leave at, like, 1:00 in the afternoon.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 10:52 It's not a- it's not technically a long drive. And then somehow, in the d- over the decade, in the 17 years I've been doing comedy, the 5 is always under construction. You cannot get home-

Joe Rogan 11:03 Always.

Iliza Shlesinger 11:03 ... from Orange ... And kudos to them for working on it at night and not being like, "Let's just post up during work hours while everyone's driving." You cannot. You- they put you on some weird freeway that involves, like, a conveyor belt and a subterranean mule car. Like, you cannot get home straight shot.

Joe Rogan 11:19 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 11:21 That's why people are so mad in Orange County. They're like, "How could she say that?"

Joe Rogan 11:24 Do you think you'll be in LA your rest- the rest of your life?

Iliza Shlesinger 11:26 No.

Joe Rogan 11:27 No? Where you gonna go?

Iliza Shlesinger 11:28 I think about that. I was actually just talking to- I was talking to another comic who said they applied for Canadian citizenship as, like, an exit strategy.

Joe Rogan 11:35 Jesus Christ.

Iliza Shlesinger 11:37 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 11:37 Who the fuck is that?

Iliza Shlesinger 11:38 I'm not gonna say it, just in case, for some reason, it was a secret, and now that I'm thinking it-

Joe Rogan 11:42 Hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 11:42 ... I'm not gonna say it. Um, I don't know. I ... So, we- everybody ... First of all, there's always the threat, like, "I'm moving outta here." I'm torn between my duty as an American to stay and make this a better place, right? Stay and fight for what you believe, and- and try and register people to vote, things like that. And I spent a month in Europe, uh, doing shows in October, and the first two weeks, I was like, "These people get it. They understand relaxing. They understand the value of life. This is beautiful." And by that third week, I was like, "Give me my fucking check. I have- I cannot die in this cafe. Like, why is there no CVS? Why can I not buy NyQuil?" I think I'm too programmed as an American to have everything when I need it and pay for the things that I need.Like, my husband got really sick, and we had to go to emergency room in Sweden. And they just left him there in a room for like five hours. And part of me was like, "You're doing this 'cause he's American." But then I was like, "Can we call a doctor? I'll, I'll pay for a doctor." As you would, if you were sick, you'd have someone come.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 12:43 "This is not ... We do not do this." And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 12:45 Socialized medicine.

Iliza Shlesinger 12:46 But someone- I was like, "What, what if, what if a c- if a celebrity comes here and they need something, and their only revo-" They're like, "We had John Cleese, and he came, and he just waited." And I'm like-"

Joe Rogan 12:55 So that was a question you asked? If a celebrity came? (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 12:58 Seriously, like, what if, what if somebody who, let's say Beyoncé comes, and she needs, like, a steroid shot.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Right?

Iliza Shlesinger 13:04 Not that I'm at Beyoncé's level, but here I am as an American, I'm like, "I'm willing to pay for something extra because he's sick, I'm pregnant, so I can't catch what he has. How can we speed this up? I have a show." And they were like, "He can just rot in this box?" And I would still move to Sweden. I really love the people. But I was, as an American that's used to being able to get what you need when you need it, that was a tough one.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Yeah, I think the difference is, like, poor people in America probably have that experience too.

Iliza Shlesinger 13:31 I'm gonna, of course, people are gonna DM this to me, and they're gonna be like, "You're a fucking bitch. You-" I know, I know we're teed up for that. But you could, if you had the resources, and you could not make an appointment, you can call a doctor. I'm sure you've done it. And so, I was looking out for the, you know, Texas, you'll appreciate this, I was looking out for the life of my fetus. And I was just like, "How do we get him some medicine so that he's not getting even sicker?" He was sick for, like, two full weeks.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Were you over there touring?

Iliza Shlesinger 13:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:57 What were the shows like?

Iliza Shlesinger 13:58 Lit.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Yeah?

Iliza Shlesinger 13:59 They were so, the crowds were so good. I did Portugal, I did Sweden, I did Norway. And, uh, just one more thing, they, they don't have medicine the way that we do here. Like, they didn't have, they don't give out drugs the way that we do. There was no NyQuil. Like, it w- they don't give out s- strong phar- pharmaceutical drugs like we do. And so, he couldn't take the things that he normally would take. And that was a, an interesting experience.

Joe Rogan 14:23 So what do they give you?

Iliza Shlesinger 14:25 Some, like, Swedish sleeping pills? (laughs) I don't remember what they gave him. Everything, you know, they don't, we always, our pharmaceuticals are just, like, built into our everyday lives. Like, I, as a pregnant woman, went without any heartburn medicine, and I had to find, like, some special heartburn thing there, 'cause they don't have Tums. And it just, like, sticks in your teeth, and you're just like, "I hope this works." And it did.

Joe Rogan 14:45 What, what causes heartburn? Like, what are you getting heartburn from?

Iliza Shlesinger 14:48 Like acid reflux?

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 14:49 Like, just ... Well, when you're pregnant, the baby, everything's squished in.

Joe Rogan 14:53 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 14:53 So your food sits, like, you can't eat and then lay down.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 14:56 So it just kinda builds up. And so I get heartburn normally, and I would just get it worse. So I was just chewing on these tablets, I'm blanking on what they were called, and they had them all over Europe. So it was just a-

Joe Rogan 15:07 What the fuck is in those tablets? Like, what's in a Tums?

Iliza Shlesinger 15:09 I'll tell you what, I don't know, but my baby was born with, like, a grown man's head of hair. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:15 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 15:15 Like, a full head of hair. (laughs) And, like, already has, like, six teeth, and she's eight months old. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:20 Wow.

Iliza Shlesinger 15:20 So it was those European heartburn tablets. Extra calcium, baby.

Joe Rogan 15:25 So, like, if you get heartburn in America, is it diet-related? Is it stress-related? Like, what, what gives you heartburn?

Iliza Shlesinger 15:32 You don't have heartburn, ever?

Joe Rogan 15:33 No.

Iliza Shlesinger 15:34 I guess I don't have it as much now. I think a lot of things can. I think some, for some people, it is genetic.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Like, what's it feel like?

Iliza Shlesinger 15:40 It feels like there's something burning coming up your throat. Or, like, around it.

Joe Rogan 15:45 That happens all the, all the time with you?

Iliza Shlesinger 15:46 When I was pregnant, I got it a lot.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Do you get it, like, before you were pregnant? Did you get it-

Iliza Shlesinger 15:51 There was a time where I got it a lot. And I can't tell you why, and I, I'm not positive why I don't get it as much now. Obviously, if you eat acidic foods, like tomato sauce, any sort of nightshade, like a eggplant maybe, that'll do it.

Joe Rogan 16:04 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 16:05 Heavy, greasy food, it can do it. Some people have it so bad it can lead to esophageal cancer if it is-

Joe Rogan 16:11 Wow.

Iliza Shlesinger 16:11 ... a chronic thing.

Joe Rogan 16:11 So the, the irritation is constant, and then it causes cancer?

Iliza Shlesinger 16:15 Uh, for some people, it can lead to that, like, that constant corrosion of that.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Jesus Christ.

Iliza Shlesinger 16:20 I mean, I used to get it super bad, and I also, like, had an ENT on speed dial just 'cause I toured so much. So I think that's where I had, like, a textual relationship with my doctor. 'Cause if you have got a gig, you've got multiple shows, you lose your voice, and you need a steroid shot. So I guess that's what I mean when I talk about having something-

Joe Rogan 16:38 Do you get those? Like, if you, you-

Iliza Shlesinger 16:39 I have.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 16:40 Oh my God, I mean ...

Joe Rogan 16:42 Like, a cortisone shot or something?

Iliza Shlesinger 16:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:43 And where do they put it? In your neck?

Iliza Shlesinger 16:45 Right in my tongue. No, uh, it's in your, in your arm? In your butt? In your arm.

Joe Rogan 16:49 Oh, okay.

Iliza Shlesinger 16:50 And it, it's a steroid shot, so you can't do more than a couple a year. It's really, they're not good for you, 'cause it just speeds everything up. But, like, for the first day, you're just like, "Let's go." Like, it's like rocket fuel.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 17:01 And then you're taking it, it depends on what kinda, if it's a Z-Pak or whatever. Um, but I've definitely had shows where, like, I cannot miss it, and my voice sounds like this.

Joe Rogan 17:09 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:09 And you gotta get that shot, and then just, like, grab, grab your throat and pray.

Joe Rogan 17:13 And so that's a normal thing for you?

Iliza Shlesinger 17:14 Not now. For some reason, I think maybe I just learned to speak better on stage. I do less-

Joe Rogan 17:20 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:20 ... gobbliny voices. I take better care of myself now that I'm elderly.

Joe Rogan 17:26 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 17:26 And a mother. Um, and I definitely don't dr- I never drank before I went on stage, not my thing, but I definitely, you guys were talking about Sober October, I don't think I drink enough in the first place to even qualify participating.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Bert sure does.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Yeah, Bert goes hard. We, we started Sober October really kinda to intervene with Bert's lifestyle.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:49 For Bert. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:49 And just try to see if we could just, like, at least one month a year.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:51 He could do it.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Yeah, he does it.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:53 He's done it, we've done it, like, four or five years in a row.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:55 Don't they do, like, weight loss challenges?

Joe Rogan 17:57 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:57 Like him and T-

Joe Rogan 17:58 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 17:58 It's like, it's all a part of the thing. Gain the weight and then lose it, and gain the w- and-

Joe Rogan 18:03 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:03 ... the drinking. But it's, that's part of the image too. Like, what do you do when something is so part of your ethos and everything?

Joe Rogan 18:10 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:10 I think a lot of, like, I remember, I'm not gonna say the comic, there's one comic I know who drinks some sort of brown liquor on stage, and he was like, "It's iced tea." Like, at a certain point-

Joe Rogan 18:19 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 18:19 ... you're like, "I can't sustain this." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Oh. That's, uh, that seems kinda fake.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:23 I mean, if it's part of a prop and it's part of a thing-

Joe Rogan 18:27 Yeah, but just be real.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:30 Yo, I don't drink at all before shows. I keep it very real.

Joe Rogan 18:33 I, I was on stage once and someone gave me a fake shot, and I go, "What the fuck is this?" And then they're like, the, the waiter brought over a fake shot 'cause they, they'd thought... I go, "No, get me the real stuff."

Iliza Shlesinger 18:43 You wanted the real thing.

Joe Rogan 18:44 I'm a grown, grown adult.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:45 I-

Joe Rogan 18:45 No, somebody ga- gave me a shot. They said, "Get him a shot," and so they-

Iliza Shlesinger 18:49 They thought they were doing you-

Joe Rogan 18:50 ... they brought me-

Iliza Shlesinger 18:50 ... a solid.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Exactly.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:51 Right. I wouldn't take a shot for very different reasons, and those being safety reasons.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:57 You-

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah, but you're getting it from the waiter.

Iliza Shlesinger 18:58 You're getting it-

Joe Rogan 18:59 I'm not getting it from a, just some rando in the audience who hands you a shot.

Iliza Shlesinger 19:02 You're, you're absolutely right. I do know a comic, that did happen. It did happen. Something was drugged, and she's like, "I just woke up the next day."

Joe Rogan 19:08 Whoa.

Iliza Shlesinger 19:09 Yeah. I also don't do it because I have a policy where I don't drink on stage, but also, I mean, I've definitely like, on a full party of a show, someone's sent a shot, and I was like, "I'm good." Like, "I'm at work."

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 19:20 "I'm not doing this."

Joe Rogan 19:21 I have talked to so many women who've been drugged at nightclubs.

Iliza Shlesinger 19:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:26 Where someone gives them a drink and there's something in it-

Iliza Shlesinger 19:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 19:28 ... and they just feel funny. And their, either their friends rescue them or something-

Iliza Shlesinger 19:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... horrible happens. Like, it's, that's a fucking creepy thing.

Iliza Shlesinger 19:36 Not only is it creepy, it's something that I look back at the partying that I did, regular partying, never hot enough to do, like, yacht partying-

Joe Rogan 19:45 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 19:45 ... regular partying, and I can't believe that never happened. And I look back to, like, a frat boy that I dated in college and, like, those parties and, like, just going out in LA and as intelligent as you might be, the dumb choices you make in your 20s.

Joe Rogan 20:00 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:01 And just thankful that I got out unscathed, because it does seem to, it's just a, a huge part of our society, uh, th- that this just happens.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Well, it's very scary today too because of fentanyl.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Which is the number one killer of people 18 to 49 right now.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:17 This show brought to you by fentanyl. You have to give it the plug.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:20 Uh-

Joe Rogan 20:20 It's, uh, that's the scariest, because they're giving you, they're, you know, giving people things in their drinks that they don't expect and most likely is probably fentanyl in it.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:29 Let me ask you this. Let me ask people this. This is my question. 'Cause you, you hear a lot of girls that are like, "I was drugged, and I just woke up at home," or, "My friends had me."

Joe Rogan 20:37 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 20:37 So, in the mind of someone who's g- a guy who's gonna drug you, 'cause it seems oftentimes they drug you but then they're not there to collect you. So, is it just about fucking up someone's night or drugging them and then hoping to move in later? It seems like people just drug people just to do it. Am I way off in this?

Joe Rogan 20:55 I think there's probably a bunch of different things going on. I the- I bet there's certain people that drug people, and they have no intentions of doing anything, anything with them. They just think it's funny to drug people. Or they just-

Iliza Shlesinger 21:06 Really? You think that's a thing?

Joe Rogan 21:07 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:07 Wow.

Joe Rogan 21:07 I think there's creep- there's creepy people that just wanna drug people, and they just get a kick out of it. There's just, there's some sociopaths out there.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:14 Sure.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Some really fucking evil cre- You all right?

Iliza Shlesinger 21:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:17 What happened?

Iliza Shlesinger 21:17 I hit my thumb. Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Oh. (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 21:21 (laughs) I'm okay. I got gloves.

Joe Rogan 21:21 There's a lot of creepy, evil people out there that, you know, you know, it's that hurt people hurt people thing.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:26 Sure.

Joe Rogan 21:27 So, like, anybody who's doing that's probably been abused. They probably have some really fucked up view of human beings, and they-

Iliza Shlesinger 21:33 Are just, like, voting for pro-life legislation, like those kind of people, for sure.

Joe Rogan 21:37 That's what I was gonna say. No. I don't know.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:39 I don't know if they're the same folks. I think those are religious folks.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:41 Why not lump them in?

Joe Rogan 21:42 Well-

Iliza Shlesinger 21:43 I got no problem with it. Lump them in.

Joe Rogan 21:44 But I think pro-life people, the problem with the, the whole pro-life abortion thing is, like, when it gets late term, you know, that's when people get weirded out.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:53 Well, I don't think that's what they're, I don't think they're considering that.

Joe Rogan 21:55 No.

Iliza Shlesinger 21:55 I think they're like, from the jump, "Whatever's worse for the girl, let's do that."

Joe Rogan 21:59 You think that's really what they think?

Iliza Shlesinger 22:00 Yep.

Joe Rogan 22:01 I think they're doing it for religious purposes.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:03 I-

Joe Rogan 22:03 I think they really, there's pe- I've had a guy on this podcast, the CEO of the Babylon Bee, and his perception is that life begins at the moment of conception.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:11 That's cool, that that's his perception for something that he doesn't have to carry-

Joe Rogan 22:16 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:16 ... or contend with.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:16 I'm not interested in that. Uh-

Joe Rogan 22:18 If, if men had to carry, it would be a completely different ballgame.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:21 You could get an abortion at a frozen yogurt shop.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:24 Huh.

Joe Rogan 22:24 It'd be an app on your phone.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:25 And look, I, I think the thing that worries me the most about it is there are the people who believe in this for religious reasons.

Joe Rogan 22:32 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:32 Okay? They've, they've, they've drank that Kool-Aid. But I do believe the people at the top that are administering this legislation, that are passing these bills, that are reaping the benefits of these things socioeconomically, they are saying it's for religious pur- You gotta wrap it in something digestible.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 22:47 So, they make it about religion, which people then take to their congregations, and they dispense it. But I don't think, for the most part, people believe it's a religious thing. But then religious warriors take up that cause on behalf of people who will be profiteering off of it and who are doing it for a different reason, be it racial, be it social, be it economical. And so I do think it's this thing that you think you're doing something good for your Lord and savior, for your religion, but you're just carrying out the mission of other people.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 23:14 I think it's a sheepy way to be.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Well, I think there's a lot of people that most certainly do it because it's a political football.

Iliza Shlesinger 23:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Like, that becomes, like, a, a dividing line between the left and the right, and it galvanizes-

Iliza Shlesinger 23:26 Well, that's also what's unfortunate, is that because this is such a polarizing issue, people become single-issue voters.

Joe Rogan 23:32 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 23:32 So, any agenda you might have as a conservative that may not be a bad idea or may be a fiscally good idea, people don't wanna hear it because you've planted your flag in something that we shouldn't have been arguing over.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 23:44 So, it's very, because you're a single-issue voter now, our communities will suffer, and anything conservative that one might have agreed with doesn't get heard.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 23:53 That's a shame that we can't come together on stuff. Now it's too black and white.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Yeah, well, there's definitely a weird divide of left and right because there's so much crossover ideas, and there's so many people that believe in more of a centrist philosophy, and it doesn't get represented politically.

Iliza Shlesinger 24:08 Correct.

Joe Rogan 24:08 You know? The poli- the politics of this country are the, represented by the far left and the far right in terms of like what people are afraid of.

Iliza Shlesinger 24:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:17 When they think of the right, they're afraid of, uh, you know, access to abortion, healthcare, uh, gay rights. That's another one that they're, that's really creepy is that the same people that were calling for the ban on Roe v. Wade are now calling for, uh, an appeal-

Iliza Shlesinger 24:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:33 ... of same-sex marriage.

Iliza Shlesinger 24:34 'Cause you give them an inch.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 24:36 And it's about taking it back to this, like...... 1950s, or we can even say antebellum, because this also plays into race, taking it back to that.

Joe Rogan 24:45 What's antebellum?

Iliza Shlesinger 24:45 Antebellum is, like, hearkening back to the South. So, like, this-

Joe Rogan 24:49 What does that word mean?

Iliza Shlesinger 24:49 Antebellum? Well, that's why, like, Lady Antebellum had to change the name to Lady A. Antebellum refers to a time in the South pre-slavery.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 24:56 Glorifying those days, which I don't think the band meant for that. I think antebellum's become associated-

Joe Rogan 25:02 What band?

Iliza Shlesinger 25:02 Lady Antebellum. Um-

Joe Rogan 25:04 I don't, I don't know what that is.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:05 This was a whole thing a couple-

Joe Rogan 25:06 What is?

Iliza Shlesinger 25:06 ... years ago. This, it's a country band, Lady Antebellum.

Joe Rogan 25:08 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:08 They've got some great songs, and they had to change it to Lady A.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Oh, because of that.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:12 Because of the word. Much like the-

Joe Rogan 25:14 So, is that what the f- the actual definition of antebellum is?

Iliza Shlesinger 25:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Is like pre-slavery?

Iliza Shlesinger 25:17 Uh, no, no.

Joe Rogan 25:18 There it is.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:18 During slavery.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Occurring or existing before a particular war, especially the American-

Iliza Shlesinger 25:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:23 ... Civil War.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:23 During slavery.

Joe Rogan 25:24 The convention of the antebellum South. Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:26 So, it hearkens back to, you know, mint juleps and having a plantation and all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Click on that. What does antebellum literally mean? Before the war. So, it means before the war-

Iliza Shlesinger 25:34 Before the Civil War. This is during slavery. This is, it's glamorizing a time during slavery.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Well, it says it w- it wasn't widely associated with the US Civil War until after that conflict was over. The word comes from the Latin phrase antebellum, literally before the war. So, it literally means before any war.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:51 But they-

Joe Rogan 25:51 But the earliest known print appearance in English dates back to the 1840s.

Iliza Shlesinger 25:55 Right. So, in America, it's the Civil War. We're not talking about Iraq.

Joe Rogan 25:59 Right. But they're saying English print, it dates back to the 1840s before the Civil War.

Narrator 26:04 I think there, there's also a difference-

Iliza Shlesinger 26:05 Sure. But this is all-

Narrator 26:06 ... with the capitalization of the A.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:06 But this is all-

Joe Rogan 26:07 Oh, I see.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:07 ... my whole point was it was all glam- uh, romanticizing-

Joe Rogan 26:11 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:11 ... a time when slavery was legal.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Got it, yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:13 Um, and, uh, the Dixie Chicks also had to change their name for that reason.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:18 So now, they're just The Chicks, which som- sometimes you don't know what band people are talking about.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Well, the Dixie Chicks, do you remember when the Dixie Chicks came out and said that they were embarrassed that-

Iliza Shlesinger 26:27 Sure.

Joe Rogan 26:27 ... George W. Bush was our president, and then the fucking South went after them?

Iliza Shlesinger 26:31 Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan 26:31 And they were fucked. Like, I think it kind of tanked their career.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:35 So-

Joe Rogan 26:35 'Cause they were very popular.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:37 I think it was Natalie, I th- I wanna say it was Natalie Maines is the one that said it, uh, and they went, two of them went to my high school. Their mom was, uh, our teacher. Um ...

Joe Rogan 26:45 Wow.

Iliza Shlesinger 26:46 What's unfortunate, and this is when we, you know, this was an opportunity for men who hate women to decimate someone, and women who uphold that sort of thinking of, you know, women should keep their mouths shut-

Joe Rogan 27:02 The Dixie Chick thing was?

Iliza Shlesinger 27:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Yeah?

Iliza Shlesinger 27:04 I was in a coffee shop in the middle of Texas not long ago, and I have a shirt on that says, "Apologize to the Dixie Chicks." It says The Chicks, and that kinda obfuscates the message, but Apologize to the Chicks. And there was a man sitting there. We're in the middle of Texas at a coffee shop, like a local watering hole kinda coffee shop. And you could tell, and he was probably in his 70s, nice Texas man, and he was like, "This is our coffee shop. What does your shirt mean?" And I explained to him about the Dixie Chicks, how given everything that's happened, they didn't deserve the hellfire that rained down on them for expressing an opinion. And his opinion was, "Well, you know, you can't go around saying stuff about your government." It's like, "Well, you can, actually. It's called freedom of speech. You guys fight for it every day." And I simply said to him, "You know, I can get mad at someone for their political opinion, but I, I strangely draw the line at threatening to kill a woman or rape her over that opinion." And he stepped back, and he was like, "Well, yeah, that's a lot." So, I think people don't realize, especially when a woman says something wrong, the types of threats that come down, that you might brush off or a guy doesn't think about. But if I get up and I'm like, "I hate Joe Rogan. I hate his podcast." And s- you'll get men that are like, "I hope you get raped. I hope you die." Like, and these experiences, and I actually talk about this in my new special, it's a lot funnier than I'm making it sound now, are not just online. They get carried out. People shoot up schools because of their hatred of women.

Joe Rogan 28:28 What school's been shot up because of hatred of women?

Iliza Shlesinger 28:30 University of Santa Barbara. That kid wrote a whole manifesto.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Oh, that's right. That's that, that was like the first incel, right?

Iliza Shlesinger 28:37 Montreal.

Joe Rogan 28:37 In terms of like a, a popular incel-

Iliza Shlesinger 28:40 Uh-

Joe Rogan 28:40 ... like where, where it was discussed?

Iliza Shlesinger 28:41 1989, Montreal massacre. This guy also having an issue with being unfuckable, shot a, shot a bunch of people in the name of this. It is som- the guy that shot up that strip mall in Atlanta had a whole thing about how women don't pay attention to him. Those were Asian women he targeted. So this is, these, we're talking about she said something as a political belief, and then, by and large, what happens is you do something, and then people come at you. You know, you bring a knife to a fight, people come with a gun, literally.

Joe Rogan 29:10 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 29:10 These are very real things that women have to think about when you exercise your free speech or just ideas just as a man would. You have to think about your physical safety. These are very real things. It's the reason I have a security at shows. It's not because of women, it's not 'cause of women coming up to me-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 29:26 ... which they have, and like, that's not scary. (laughs) But you never know.

Joe Rogan 29:29 But if a man came out and said, "I'm embarrassed that George W. Bush is our president," and he did it like that, he wouldn't have to think about that aspect. It wouldn't be, "I hope you get raped."

Iliza Shlesinger 29:38 Uh, it may, uh, I mean, it might not be rape. People might say violent things about him.

Joe Rogan 29:42 For sure.

Iliza Shlesinger 29:42 You'll get people that, you know, but when you and I leave a building at night, you think, we've talked about this.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 29:50 You think about your walk a lot differently than I do. And I do it naturally. I look around, you know?

Joe Rogan 29:54 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 29:55 And so, that's why I'm shocked I have gotten through all those parties unscathed. Like, it's just a different way that you kind of walk through the world, less impunity. And so, I think that's what bothered me about the Ch- Dixie Chicks things was like, she said something, and it wasn't at a time where people were exer- where people were exercising free thought like they were, 'cause the ubiquity of the internet hadn't taken over.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 30:18 And so ...

Joe Rogan 30:19 Well, it's also just a basic human decency thing. If someone expresses an opinion, the worst human beings in the world are the, gonna be the ones who express the hope that you get murdered or raped or kit- you know, like anything.

Iliza Shlesinger 30:32 For sure.

Joe Rogan 30:32 I hope your family gets run over by a truck. Those, it's just the worst kind of human beings.

Iliza Shlesinger 30:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 And that is with any disagreement on anything. The, the rational, logical thing to do if someone says, "You know, I'm embarrassed that that's my president," is to say-... you know, why you disagree, or-

Iliza Shlesinger 30:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:51 ... why, you know, y- you think that's not a, a good thing to say. But to h- to hate the person-

Iliza Shlesinger 30:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:56 ... and to wish harm on the person for expressing an opinion is just 'cause you're a fucking idiot. You- you, like-

Iliza Shlesinger 31:02 I-

Joe Rogan 31:02 ... th- your-

Iliza Shlesinger 31:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:03 ... perspective sucks.

Iliza Shlesinger 31:04 It's, it's just so outta whack.

Joe Rogan 31:05 Yes.

Iliza Shlesinger 31:06 It's so warped, you know. And it, I don't think cancel culture is any different. You know, you take someone, let's say you made a bad joke once, people would want, they want you to not, it's not about the apology, they want your career ruined. And so you look at someone like Harvey Weinstein, that man should be in jail, because what he did to so many women was horrific. One guy touches a woman in a, by accident, that, actually, I take that back, 'cause that never happens. One person says something, they say they're sorry, I think oftentimes the punishment outweighs the crime.

Joe Rogan 31:42 Well, it does today, because there's sport in it. There's sport in trying to take someone down.

Iliza Shlesinger 31:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:47 There's sport in trying to ruin someone's life. And there's also a lot of people out there that don't have anything going on, and which is always the people that do things like this.

Iliza Shlesinger 31:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:57 You know, it's not someone who's got their life in order that, uh, starts some sort of a campaign to cancel someone for a bad joke. It's usually someone who's a fucking loser.

Iliza Shlesinger 32:06 Absolutely. And then what happens is, there's, like there's, it becomes this overcorrect. There are people who deserve to be canceled for doing terrible things over and over, but nobody ever thinks they did anything wrong. So then you get this other side that's like, "Oh, if a guy looks at a woman wrong, he's gonna get canceled." I used to think no one was getting canceled who didn't deserve it. But the more we move into this cancel culture, the more I start to ask, like if somebody does one thing wrong that really, you know, that hurts no one, or they write a joke, or they say something, or they, you know, hit on a woman, right? W- what, is it a pound of flesh that's owed? Is it your whole life?

Joe Rogan 32:41 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 32:42 Is it money, like what's owed?

Joe Rogan 32:43 Well, it's like are you defined by your worst moment?

Iliza Shlesinger 32:47 I believe so.

Joe Rogan 32:47 And does, does that negate ... Well, it depends on what your worst, worst moment is.

Iliza Shlesinger 32:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:50 Shoot up a school, for sure.

Iliza Shlesinger 32:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:52 You know, i- if your worst moment is a bad joke, no. It's, but it's, it's the sport of it that's the problem, and it's also navigating this newfound power that people have through the internet.

Iliza Shlesinger 33:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:04 You know, the, what comes with this great power is great responsibility, but there's no responsibility to people that can just attack people online. And they enjoy it, and they enjoy it from the anonymity of their own bubble, and they're tweeting, and, you know, or whatever they're doing to try-

Iliza Shlesinger 33:18 You're absolutely right.

Joe Rogan 33:19 And it's, um, it's, it's navigating this new power and navigating this new world that we live in where cancel culture type things, that people look for them.

Iliza Shlesinger 33:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:29 You know, they're looking for a nail because they have a hammer. You know, if you give someone, uh, a big box of rocks and there's a window there, there's a very strong urge to throw a rock at that window. And it's very rare that someone takes like this compassionate, charitable view of another human being and just goes, "You know, people make mistakes."

Iliza Shlesinger 33:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:48 "And the most important thing is that we all try to do better, that everybody tries to do better in their life."

Iliza Shlesinger 33:53 I think people say that, and then when it comes to whatever their agenda is, they forget about that.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 33:58 And I understand rage, and I understand, I understand hurt, um, but I don't think people understand context. And I think because people, you say hurt people, hurt people, I think people feel so powerless and so angry-

Joe Rogan 34:12 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:12 ... so you grab onto whatever you can grab onto, and I think we just have to be careful in rallying those troops. You know, I think of the petulant internet masses, and I do talk about this in my book, I think of them as like zombies. Like in every movie it's always like, "Be quiet, be quiet," 'cause you don't want the zombie-

Joe Rogan 34:27 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:27 ... to like feel your warmth or hear you. And that's, you know, whatever you, if you can just, if you can just say nothing and sustain and maintain, if you truly did like nothing really wrong, they'll move on.

Joe Rogan 34:37 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:37 But if you've ever argued with someone in a comment section, you know that that attracts more of them.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Of course. Well, also they have your attention.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:45 And they think that because you're a public person, you have some sort of an advantage in life that you shouldn't have.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:52 They wanna attack you no matter what.

Iliza Shlesinger 34:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Like if you're a public person, I mean, your fans will chime in and say, "No, we love her," or, "Fuck you," but most-

Iliza Shlesinger 35:00 No.

Joe Rogan 35:00 ... people who don't know you-

Iliza Shlesinger 35:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:02 ... that are hopping into the fray, are doing it with the idea that they're gonna destroy something.

Iliza Shlesinger 35:06 That, it's destroy something, something beautiful.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Huh.

Iliza Shlesinger 35:08 And it's this idea of like it's so delicious to destroy something, the schadenfreude of watching someone get wrecked because they have something you want or you feel they owe you something.

Joe Rogan 35:18 People love that.

Iliza Shlesinger 35:18 Everybody has receipts on someone else, and everybody has something that they wish they could do differently or take back, and there's just no, we don't allow for context, we don't allow for conversation. And that's on the left and the right, and it's just in general. What if you had a fulfilling life? Like it's one thing if somebody has m- multiple civil rights infractions, and you're like, "Look, look, this person systemically has done awful things at their company," but what if you had a fulfilling life and a goal and a passion in something else, would you spend your whole life trying to ruin other people?

Joe Rogan 35:50 Most people don't have the time to do that. I think it's this new power that e- that exists in the world, and this new ability to d- to express themselves and to disseminate information that needs to be navigated, and I think it's gonna take time.

Iliza Shlesinger 36:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:05 You know, there's, this is a wave, it comes in and it comes out, and that's like, like we're seeing with like Me Too, there's like probably an overcorrection, and it comes back and balances out. And then you have like the Amber Heard situation, people are like, "Well, what about her?" Like some, there's women out there that are just like men, they're, th- there's-

Iliza Shlesinger 36:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:20 ... there's crazy people on both sides of the aisle, and I think that th- it's just this newfound ability to express-

Iliza Shlesinger 36:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:28 ... information that is just, it's unprecedented. There's never been a time in history where you can have these-

Iliza Shlesinger 36:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:34 ... mobs of people that can just attack from their phone.

Iliza Shlesinger 36:38 From their phone. I also think, you know, this is, we are learning, we are growing up in real time with the internet.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 36:45 And nobody, and I've said, and I, I believe this, when the internet-... came around, you know, you co- fast-forward to several years later, let's say we got Twitter, right? We have social media versus just the internet. Uh, I don't think the average person, I'm sure people at tech companies and some futurists and maybe you, understood that it was forever. When I would tweet out something like, "Oh, I fucking hate..." whatever-

Joe Rogan 37:09 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 37:09 ... McDonald's or this person, we didn't really understand those ramifications. When you took those pictures, when you take a cute picture in a bikini, like, you don't reali- you didn't at the time, nobody explained or got or they didn't want you to know, this was gonna be forever.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 37:24 And, and we were all learning that in real-time, but now you have to pay for it. I will forever have to be s- (laughs) looking at pictures of me in a bikini that I posted eight years ago. Like, I look fine. It's not a scandalous picture, but, like, nothing gets forgotten.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 37:37 And the more we move on with the internet, you know, you shit your pants at a school recital and that's on the internet? Like, it's there. It will eventually get tamped down. People aren't gonna see it as much, but-

Joe Rogan 37:47 But it's out there.

Iliza Shlesinger 37:48 We forget that we're all learning this in real-time and we do this as a, it's like this whole gotcha-ism.

Joe Rogan 37:53 Yeah. I watched a video yesterday of this lady. She's walking through a store and, uh, she's got flip-flops on and a skirt and she's just walkin', it's, like, a security camera and then she stops and she puts her hand over her butt and then she walks a little further and she stops again and you can see her, like, clench her butt cheeks and then she, like, looks around and then shit falls out of her skirt-

Iliza Shlesinger 38:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:14 ... onto the ground and she moves away. Have you seen it, Jamie?

Narrator 38:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:18 That poor lady.

Iliza Shlesinger 38:18 Did they show her face?

Joe Rogan 38:19 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 38:20 Okay. She-

Joe Rogan 38:21 You wanna see it?

Iliza Shlesinger 38:22 I don't.

Joe Rogan 38:23 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 38:23 Because that will be me one day.

Joe Rogan 38:25 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 38:25 That was almost me on the way here. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:28 (laughs) This poor lady. I saw that, I was like, "Oh my God."

Iliza Shlesinger 38:30 Talk about a surveillance state. And also, another thing that you see a significant uptick in, on TikTok, in particular, is the filming of strangers without their consent.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 38:42 That woman, these people, "Oh, this guy's got..." and it's always done in the name of comedy or to "catch someone".

Joe Rogan 38:47 It is... What's this one?

Iliza Shlesinger 38:48 Well, at least she's blurred out.

Joe Rogan 38:49 No, this is a different one.

Narrator 38:50 This is where somebody stepped in it. On this one.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Oh, God. Uh, this is a different one.

Narrator 38:54 Yeah, it, the- I've seen it happen multiple times, but-

Joe Rogan 38:55 "Revolting moment." Scroll, scroll back up.

Narrator 38:57 Oh, that's fine.

Joe Rogan 38:57 "Revolting moment, lady poos on the floor while walking through lobby before unsuspecting man steps in it-

Narrator 39:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:02 ... as she runs off." So does she have, like, no underwear on? She's just shitting?

Narrator 39:07 Yeah, let me see the... I guess on the-

Joe Rogan 39:08 You kinda know you're doing that, don't ya?

Iliza Shlesinger 39:11 I think, I think-

Joe Rogan 39:12 So this lady just walking and she just, oh my God.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:14 Are we sure it's poop?

Joe Rogan 39:15 She just, yeah, she just shit as she's walking and this guy just, "Oh, god."

Iliza Shlesinger 39:19 How did he not see that?

Joe Rogan 39:21 Well, how did he see it? Y- why would he expect-

Iliza Shlesinger 39:23 He found it.

Joe Rogan 39:23 ... to see shit? He's just walking. He's right behind her. I mean, the-

Iliza Shlesinger 39:27 I don't think she-

Joe Rogan 39:27 ... the time between her shitting and him stepping in it is just, like, a second.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:33 Oh, that's awful.

Narrator 39:36 Oh, that's awful.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Ugh!

Narrator 39:36 He at least slide.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:36 That's awful.

Joe Rogan 39:36 That is. Imagine if he fell and it landed in his fucking clothes and oof.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:41 Some dudes are into it.

Narrator 39:42 Oh, yeah, here's one.

Joe Rogan 39:42 Yes?

Narrator 39:43 Tim Horton's too.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:43 Oh, Sheila.

Joe Rogan 39:44 What's that?

Narrator 39:44 That's the one that happened at Tim Horton's, but that was a little bit more of a thing.

Joe Rogan 39:47 "Disturbing video of woman at Tim Horton's."

Narrator 39:48 She's going crazy.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:48 Wait, why is "disturbing" in quotes?

Narrator 39:50 Well, this lady was the one-

Joe Rogan 39:51 Oh, this lady shit against a wall.

Narrator 39:53 Yeah, she was.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:53 But-

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah, she was just crazy.

Iliza Shlesinger 39:54 Why is it, why is it, like, "disturbing", like, some don't think it is. It's in quotes. Like, allegedly it's disturbing.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Oh, we could... "Disturbing" in quotes? Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:02 No, why is that in quotes?

Joe Rogan 40:03 I don't know. Why is it in quotes?

Iliza Shlesinger 40:05 But-

Joe Rogan 40:05 It's definitely disturbing.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:06 I mean, you and I can talk about lack of a right to privacy, like, you are being filmed everywhere by sh- I think it should be illegal to film someone without their consent.

Joe Rogan 40:13 But what about if it's a store and you're worried about people robbing them?

Iliza Shlesinger 40:16 I think you have a sign posted that says, "Just so you know," without them being aware.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Mm.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:20 Like, you're consenting by going in that store and if you're not doing anything wrong, it's not a big deal. People are just filming people.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Right, that's a different thing.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:26 That's-

Joe Rogan 40:27 Yeah, the people filming thing-

Iliza Shlesinger 40:28 ... personal filming.

Joe Rogan 40:28 ... is kinda fucked 'cause, like, people love to, like, stick cameras in people's faces and ask them questions. It's like, "What are you doing, man?"

Iliza Shlesinger 40:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:35 There's no reason for this. Like-

Iliza Shlesinger 40:36 And on TV you gotta, like, hunt- you gotta wrestle on the ground and be like, "Please sign this release."

Joe Rogan 40:41 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:41 And these kids, these are... You got 15 TikTok followers, you live in the middle of nowhere, like, there's no one can come after you because you have no identity associated with your handle.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 40:50 So, there's a lack of accountability and our laws are so glacial and archaic that we haven't caught up to the internet yet.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Yeah. No, it's very weird what, what our laws are in terms of that. The, the, the privacy laws. It's very, it's very weird, 'cause like... Here's another thing, like if you buy a house. If you buy a house, people could just post your house and that you bought it and people Google your address instantaneously.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:15 I know it's-

Joe Rogan 41:15 There's no laws on that.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:16 ... I know it's happened to you, it's happened to me and-

Joe Rogan 41:20 Happens to everybody.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:20 ... it's, but especially as a public figure, and we even reached out to the "writer" that does it and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 41:27 They don't give a fuck.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:28 And, and we try to say like, "Hey, I have a stalker. We have a case with the police. Could you please not post she sleeps on the north end." Like, "Here's where the master bedroom is." Like, fine-

Joe Rogan 41:38 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:38 ... a picture with no reference, great, but they don't need to know the layout that I sleep on the second floor. Like, they don't need to know that.

Joe Rogan 41:44 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:44 It, there's just such a lack of accountability and awareness for personal safety, particularly women's safety, but-

Joe Rogan 41:51 Well, there's no laws in, in regards to that. Like, we need new privacy laws in terms of what you're allowed to put on the internet.

Iliza Shlesinger 41:57 Well, and so people here would be like, "Well, get you a gun. Be your own law."

Joe Rogan 42:02 Mm.

Iliza Shlesinger 42:02 Eh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:04 It's not that simple. I mean, y- you're, you're opening up a door. You shouldn't have to defend it with bullets, you know? You shouldn't, just 'cause somebody decides to, like, post where you sleep, you shouldn't have to be like fucking cocked, armed and ready-

Iliza Shlesinger 42:17 I agree.

Joe Rogan 42:18 ... every time you go to the bathroom. It's just-

Iliza Shlesinger 42:20 I sh- it shouldn't be news is the other thing. And it shouldn't-

Joe Rogan 42:23 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 42:23 ... you shouldn't be allowed... People get mad at us of nobody ever goes after the media outlets. The outlet that posts the picture of your wife in a bikini on your, you know, on your vacation. The outlet that says something about your body. The outlet that puts that out there. Somehow-

Joe Rogan 42:37 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 42:37 ... those writers, it's never about them and it always becomes about the story. This is... That's a shitty way to make a living is just-... pretending it's journalism, but really showing how fat someone got. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:48 Well, it is a vulturous way to make a living. There's a, there's a bunch of articles that I'm seeing lately, maybe it's just, like, my Google News feed, but there was... Articles are, like, of weird sh- Like, how is this an article? Like, one of 'em was like, a guy left a bad tip, so the woman chased him down out in the street and confronted him. And this is an article.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:06 People do those things all the time.

Joe Rogan 43:06 And I'm like, that's an everyday occurrence if you're a waitress.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Like, the idea that this is now a story.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:12 But it doesn't matter because that's the kinda thing that makes people click on things. 'Cause journalism is kinda fucked now because it's all about clicks-

Iliza Shlesinger 43:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:19 ... because you don't really make a lotta money off of print journalism anymore.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:23 So they-

Iliza Shlesinger 43:24 The sensationalism of it.

Joe Rogan 43:25 Yeah. So what they're getting money from is advertising clicks. And believe it or not, a woman chasing down a guy who left a shitty tip will get you just as much clicks as, you know, some climate change accord where, you know, some consortium of scientists get together.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:40 And chain themselves-

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 43:41 ... to a Bank of America building. It is, how do we sensationalize everything? The right news doesn't get the, the correct news doesn't get the appropriate attention. And you really do... It is harder and harder to seek out the education that you deserve. It is harder and harder to educate yourself because everybody is positive that they're right.

Joe Rogan 44:02 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 44:02 Everybody's positive everyone is wrong. It's hard to trust people and it's hard to know what side of the graph you're looking at.

Joe Rogan 44:08 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 44:09 And it require- And none of us, for the most part, have it. And everybody's very content to sound off on anyone if you have an opinion, as if they have all the facts, but they just got them from another talking head.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 44:21 So that's why scientists and doctors and people with degrees in this are so important versus just taking this news from wherever.

Joe Rogan 44:27 That's also why objective journalism is so important and it's very difficult to find nowadays. It's very hard-

Iliza Shlesinger 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 ... because everything is biased from one perspective, whether it's a right wing perspective or a left wing perspective, and they flavor-

Iliza Shlesinger 44:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... and, and shape and mold the narrative just to suit whatever they think their audience wants to hear.

Iliza Shlesinger 44:44 Well, you have to have your eyes so open because if you are coming from any sort of marginalized group that colors it... Like, I'm Jewish, so when I see a headline about Jews or Israel or Palestine, I always pay attention to the phrasing.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 44:57 You're like, "What's the real agenda here?" And sometimes it requires being of that group to fully see the intention. You know, if you're Black, you're gonna look at a headline about a, about, uh, an altercation with police, you're gonna look at that wording differently than someone, than a white person that doesn't think about that.

Joe Rogan 45:14 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:14 Like, it's just, it colors your perspective and your ev- and your history in life, colors the way you read those. And so you're right, it is hard to find just, like, the facts.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:23 Like, "Here's what happened, here is that. Decide for yourself."

Joe Rogan 45:26 Well, it requires a lotta work and you can't do that about too many subjects because you just don't have the time.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:31 If you're a person that has an eight-hour-day job and then you have a family and hobbies and friends and like... You don't have the time to be trying to figure out, like, why is fluoride in the water? Why is it like... Like, you gotta chase that shit down, it'll take you forever.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:44 But then, so here you go and now it's time to vote-

Joe Rogan 45:47 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:47 ... and you got some guy that's like, "Hey, I wanna protect us and everything and do everything that's right."

Joe Rogan 45:52 Yup.

Iliza Shlesinger 45:52 And all these bullshit things are baked into it that are infringements on our civil liberties and you're like, "Well, I didn't take the time, so this guy seems like me."

Joe Rogan 46:00 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:00 "Should be okay."

Joe Rogan 46:01 Yeah. We look for someone who makes us feel good. Like, "Oh, I'll feel good voting for him. I don't like her, she's a cunt." And they just decide, "This is how I'm voting." You know?

Iliza Shlesinger 46:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:10 Like, that's... I mean, that was a lot of people's perspectives on Hillary Clinton. I talked to a lot of people that hated-

Iliza Shlesinger 46:14 No, I'm pretty sure everyone loved her.

Joe Rogan 46:15 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 46:15 I'm pretty sure she, she won.

Joe Rogan 46:17 The most loved.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:18 I, I was, I, I liked Elizabeth Warren.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Why?

Iliza Shlesinger 46:21 She's cool.

Joe Rogan 46:22 What?

Iliza Shlesinger 46:22 I just like... Same re- I liked her. I like, I like her tenacity.

Joe Rogan 46:26 She's a con artist.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:26 Yeah, but, but... Okay, who isn't?

Joe Rogan 46:29 Yeah. Bernie Sanders.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:31 Okay. But did you vote for Bernie?

Joe Rogan 46:32 I don't think he's a con artist. He wasn't available to vote for. I would've-

Iliza Shlesinger 46:34 Did you vote in the...

Joe Rogan 46:35 I didn't vote for, in the primary.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:36 In the primaries, right.

Joe Rogan 46:37 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:38 Uh, I did-

Joe Rogan 46:39 But I had him on my podcast and he was very sincere.

Iliza Shlesinger 46:41 Okay, cool.

Joe Rogan 46:42 I think-

Iliza Shlesinger 46:42 I've had my mom on my podcast. You wanna flex? (laughs) I'm just saying. I-

Joe Rogan 46:47 I think he's very sincere. I think he-

Iliza Shlesinger 46:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:49 ... uh, you know, he's g- very idealistic, but give that a chance. May- maybe, maybe that's better than someone who's fucking jaded, you know?

Iliza Shlesinger 46:57 I mean, I don't understand what one has to do with the other. I was just saying I liked her, but it's all-

Joe Rogan 47:02 What one has to do with the other? What do you mean?

Iliza Shlesinger 47:03 What, what g- someone being idealistic versus... What is her being a con artist? Uh, my whole point was that people have locked and loaded these opinions about people and everyone's awful and every woman is called a bitch when they run for politics, ev- Sarah Palin, because the types of men that call women bitches voted probably for her in the get-go.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Well, Tulsi Gabbard's not. I think Tulsi Gabbard's amazing.

Iliza Shlesinger 47:27 I don't even know who that is.

Joe Rogan 47:28 You don't know who she is? No? Congresswoman from Hawaii, ran for president in 2020.

Iliza Shlesinger 47:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Yeah. She, uh, she's the one who called out Kamala Harris on her, um, prosecution record for people with, uh, marijuana felonies-

Iliza Shlesinger 47:43 I do know that. I do know that.

Joe Rogan 47:44 ... and also kept people in jail illegally past the time they were supposed to be released to force them to work as cheap labor to fight-

Iliza Shlesinger 47:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:50 ... wildfires.

Iliza Shlesinger 47:51 Will she be running?

Joe Rogan 47:52 No. She actually just did the podcast recently and she's... Well, it doesn't-

Narrator 47:57 When?

Iliza Shlesinger 47:57 What? She's-

Joe Rogan 47:57 When is it air-

Narrator 47:58 They update... She is running?

47:58 Next week, but-

Joe Rogan 47:59 Yeah. Here's to next week.

Narrator 48:01 Uh-

Joe Rogan 48:01 What?

Narrator 48:01 ... a little bit of breaking news.

Iliza Shlesinger 48:02 Oh, God.

Narrator 48:03 On this-

Joe Rogan 48:04 Biden pardons-

Iliza Shlesinger 48:05 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 48:05 ... thousands of people convicted of marijuana possession under federal law. Wow.

Iliza Shlesinger 48:09 As it should be.

Narrator 48:09 And here's the whole statement they made-

Joe Rogan 48:10 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 48:10 ... on Twitter 15 minutes ago.

Joe Rogan 48:11 "As I said before, no one should be in jail for just using or possessing marijuana. Today, I'm taking steps to end our failed approach."

Iliza Shlesinger 48:17 Wait, does-

Joe Rogan 48:17 "Allow me to lay them out." Fuck yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 48:19 What if, what if the first half-

Joe Rogan 48:20 What about s-

Iliza Shlesinger 48:20 ... just said, "PS I'm high as fuck right now"?

Joe Rogan 48:22 LOL. (laughs) High AF, right?

Iliza Shlesinger 48:26 High AF.

Joe Rogan 48:26 "Second, I'm calling on governors to pardon simple state marijuana possession offenses."

Iliza Shlesinger 48:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:31 "Just as no one should be in federal prison..." Look at the likes going up. That's amazing.

Iliza Shlesinger 48:35 Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Joe Rogan 48:35 "No one should be in federal prison solely for possessing marijuana. No one should be in a local jail or state prison for that reason either. Third-"

Iliza Shlesinger 48:42 Agreed.

Joe Rogan 48:43 "... we classify marijuana at the same level as heroin and more serious than fentanyl. It makes no sense. I'm asking Secretary..." I don't know how to say that name. Becerna? Becer-

Iliza Shlesinger 48:53 Becerra?

Joe Rogan 48:54 ... Becerra, "uh, and the attorney general to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law."I'd also like to note that as federal and state regulations change, we still need important limitations on trafficking, marketing, and underage sales-

Iliza Shlesinger 49:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:08 ... of marijuana. Yes.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Okay. Sending people to jail for possessing-

Iliza Shlesinger 49:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:12 ... marijuana has upended too many lives for a conduct that is legal in many states.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:17 That's before you address the clear racial-

Iliza Shlesinger 49:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:19 ... disparities around the prosecution and conviction. Today, we begin to right these wrongs. Fuck, yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:25 There is a disproportionate amount of African American men, but African Americans in jail for minor marijuana possession, while women in Santa Barbara are, like, having cooking parties with it, like white women and white families.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Well, it's legal in California now.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:38 It is legal, and that is true, and there is breaking the law, but again, we're talking about, uh, punishment outweighing a crime.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Oh, for sure.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:46 Like, there are people still in jail years later, and it was the smallest amount. And now that it's legal, let them out.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah. Well, there's people that are in jail, and they can, like, literally look out their bars and see marijuana shops.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:56 Yes. It's... Well, it is a way-

Joe Rogan 49:58 Especially in Phoenix.

Iliza Shlesinger 49:58 It's a very quick and easy way to feed this industrial prison complex.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Yeah. True.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:04 Uh, he's totally right in doing that.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:05 It is, it is a class racial issue. It is that thing where now that it's legal, I mean... Yeah, it's just a way to feed that prison complex. That is the point I keep coming back to.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Well, it's, it's a stupid fucking law that shouldn't exist, and if you believe in freedom, you should believe in the freedom to explore your own consciousness.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:23 I completely agree.

Joe Rogan 50:23 And that's what marijuana is.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:25 The myopic- I think it's very easy to live in your reality, and people in, like, say, Los Angeles, get very accused of living in a bubble.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:31 And my whole thing is, it's 80% Mexican in LA. It's called... It's pronounced a (Spanish) . But it's very easy to live... If you are a farmer in rural Nebraska and you have these conservative values and you don't live in, like, an urban area, you don't share the same streets that I do, of course your values and your v- are gonna be different. And that's okay. That's what local elections are for. And so, I think it's very easy to be, um, pro-life, especially if you're a man, because you're like, "This doesn't really affect me," or, "I'm a 60-year-old d-"

Joe Rogan 50:59 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 50:59 Like, "I'm not thinking about this." I think it's very difficult. I think the exercise in living in a society is thinking about other people, and that's what taxes are for. Those go to schools... I pay taxes for schools that my kids might never attend. This is what you sign up for when you live in a society, is maybe considering how to not hurt your neighbor. And so that's why I was so pro-mask, because it's like, this is how you don't hurt someone, when we believe that those were, and I still do, the thing that helps, right? And I think people tend to v- "Oh, I want the death penalty." Sure, you don't know the fucking guy dying. It's not your brother-

Joe Rogan 51:31 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 51:31 ... that's been falsely accused. So, I think the less experience you have with people who are less like you, the more likely you're just going to vote for your own self-interest.

Joe Rogan 51:39 That's absolutely true. Yeah, and that's always going to be the case. It's people... They have a limited perspective based on what they've experienced, and if you are in the middle of nowhere, in a rural place, and you have a very religious upbringing, and you think that people in Brooklyn or people in South Central Los Angeles should adhere to your values-

Iliza Shlesinger 52:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:00 ... you know, that's, that's... Not only is it not realistic, it's not informed.

Iliza Shlesinger 52:04 I'm never about spreading my values as much as giving people options. That's why it's pro-choice, and I believe in choices in general, and I understand the vaccine thing, which is also, like, I'm not in the streets telling people to do it. It was my choice to get it. So, I just want people to have the choice, and I want people to also have the choice to make decisions about their own health, meaning I don't want to be forced to get sick because you chose not to do something. I- It's the same reason you can't go into a movie theater and yell, "Fire." Like, your choices shouldn't have to affect or harm other people. And that's a very gray area, because where do you draw that boundary? And so-

Joe Rogan 52:38 We... Well, the problem with that boundary is we need to know what is actually going on.

Iliza Shlesinger 52:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:45 We need to know, like, what are the financial interests involved in making decisions? Because especially when you're dealing with anything involving pharmaceutical companies or the government, it's mostly about money.

Iliza Shlesinger 52:56 I mean, that hydro- when hydrochloroquine, when that came out-

Joe Rogan 52:58 Hydroxychloroquine.

Iliza Shlesinger 52:59 Hydroxychloroquine, when that came out as, like, a cure-all, I remember the guy... I remember looking this up, because I was like... I was so proud of my journalism, but it was some... The guy... I remember the guy was Indian, who was like the head of the pharmaceutical company that was in charge of that. And I Googled and I saw that he had had dinner with Donald Trump, like in March of the pandemic year. And I was like, "You know someone shook someone's hand and was like, 'We'll sell this.'"

Joe Rogan 53:23 I don't think so.

Iliza Shlesinger 53:24 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Because hydroxychloroquine is not... Uh, it's not expensive. It's... There's no money in that. The, the... Hydroxychloroquine is, uh, something like ivermectin, which is, uh... It's a generic drug. The problem with generic drugs is, these off-label uses of generic drugs, is anybody could profit off of it. What they want is patented drugs, so they come up with a drug that's either similar to that, has a, a, a similar effect, or, or, you know, an alternative effect, and then-

Iliza Shlesinger 53:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:50 ... they patent that.

Iliza Shlesinger 53:51 That was the drug-

Joe Rogan 53:52 And that they can-

Iliza Shlesinger 53:52 ... that was being touted.

Joe Rogan 53:53 So, but that's what they sell. I mean, this is... You... When you look into the history of the pharmaceutical companies and what they've done in terms of patenting medicine and demonizing medicines that can't be patented, that are generic medicines-

Iliza Shlesinger 54:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:05 ... it's fucking creepy.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Because they're, they're just about profit.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:09 These are machines that are just trying to make money for their shareholders. And-

Iliza Shlesinger 54:15 100%.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:15 And that's... Well, that's almost every company. When you really start... It is actually... It's a terrifying thing to do, to, like, start to peel back those layers, and I'm all for that education, and that kind of goes back to what we were saying before about, like... It is exhausting and really difficult to get objective opinions to really find stuff out.

Joe Rogan 54:32 It is.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:32 And this is for... I mean, there was this documentary on Netflix about, like, health and beauty business, and they talked about Johnson & Johnson baby powder and how they... You know, my, my mom-

Joe Rogan 54:42 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:42 ... we used that when I was little. I called... And I... And now it cau- it causes cervical cancer.

Joe Rogan 54:46 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 54:46 That's what they're saying. I call my mom and I go, "Hey, if you have Johnson & Johnson baby powder, don't use it." She goes, "No, it causes cancer, I know that." Like, it just became not... Like, it was a thing that was a family company that was sold to everyone, and then when they found out it caused cancer, they started marketing it to poorer communities.And so there is-

Joe Rogan 55:03 When they found out it causes cancer, they started-

Iliza Shlesinger 55:05 In the docu-

Joe Rogan 55:05 ... marketing to people in any way?

Iliza Shlesinger 55:07 They started putting it in, like, black and brown communities.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Really?

Iliza Shlesinger 55:10 Yeah. Oh, this was in the documentary.

Joe Rogan 55:11 When is this? What documentary is this?

Iliza Shlesinger 55:11 Um, it's called... It's... If you google, like, Netflix beauty doc. There's, like, a bunch of them, but this is the one. What's it called? It's called... I'll tell you right now. It's called... Hold on.

Narrator 55:23 Toxic Beauty?

Iliza Shlesinger 55:23 Toxic Beauty.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Jesus Christ, these people are fucking creeps.

Iliza Shlesinger 55:26 And then you even go... Just products that you think... Like, if you've got curly hair, which is, which I do, which is a very malign thing, you find this product that's great for it, and then they go into all the be- all the information that's not being told to you, and it is a full-time job. And then you're called a heretic if you come out against some of these things, and it's... I applaud a lot of what you do on this podcast. I know a lot of your guests are polarizing. I know you don't always have the right info, but I do applaud the pursuit of that information, because there's always so many levels and layers, particularly in government or products or anything. These things that make our lives run, there's darker motives happening. And you sound crazy if you say it.

Joe Rogan 56:04 You sound crazy in the beginning, and then ultimately-

Iliza Shlesinger 56:07 You wear a mask. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:08 ... if you're correct, if you're correct-

Iliza Shlesinger 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 ... people find out they've been duped.

Iliza Shlesinger 56:13 Or they're dead.

Joe Rogan 56:13 And that there's money involved in this.

Iliza Shlesinger 56:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:15 And that that's why this stuff has been propagated.

Iliza Shlesinger 56:19 That's how I feel about the abortion thing. I'm like, "This can't be about religion."

Joe Rogan 56:21 Do you really think that it's a mo- I think it's probably a voting issue, you know, for sure. You know, which is, uh, I think-

Iliza Shlesinger 56:28 What-

Joe Rogan 56:28 Look, cynically, I look at this Biden decision about marijuana, I say that's a voting issue. They're trying to win the midterms, which are, you know-

Iliza Shlesinger 56:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:35 ... in a couple of weeks. And that's how they're looking at it. Um, I, I, but I applaud the sentiment behind it and what it actually will do for people, which I think is great. And if that's all it takes to get them to do that, to, to make it incentivize them to do something that's the right thing, that, that's gonna... All they have to do is, like, do it because they want to get the votes? Good, let him get the votes.

Iliza Shlesinger 56:58 Thank God it's for a good thing.

Joe Rogan 56:59 They're doing the right thing.

Iliza Shlesinger 56:59 That is the right thing.

Joe Rogan 57:00 Yes.

Iliza Shlesinger 57:00 It shouldn't be demonized. Did you see the clip this morning where he was caught? He was shaking hands with someone and then on a hot mic, he said, "Nobody fucks with a Biden." The president?

Joe Rogan 57:09 Did he really say that?

Iliza Shlesinger 57:09 The president said it.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Oh, he's so, he's so gone.

Iliza Shlesinger 57:12 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:13 He's so gone.

Iliza Shlesinger 57:14 Well, I don't know. I think that's kinda...

Joe Rogan 57:15 No, but he's gone. He's, he's fucking got dementia. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. The guy... Do you see that speech the other day where he's talking about that woman?

Iliza Shlesinger 57:23 There's, there's no buts? There's no buts? It's 100%?

Joe Rogan 57:25 If you talk to any person who treats people with dementia, and you show them what he used to be like versus what he's like now, there is clear evidence of cognitive decline.

Iliza Shlesinger 57:39 I mean, as long as your making, as long as you're doing stuff like this, I'm okay with it. Like the marijuana leg... Like, as long as you're calling for stuff like that. At least do something good on your way out.

Joe Rogan 57:48 It's good that he's doing that, but that's not what we're talking about. I'm talking his... He's got dementia or something. There's some sort of cognitive decline. You see that thing the other day where he's calling, "Where's Jackie? Where's Jackie?" That Jackie lady been dead for a month. Or someone who worked for him. Like, he's... doesn't have all of his faculties in order. Like, people knew that going into the election, and it's only deteriorated with pressure and stress and age. It's like, that stuff doesn't get better as you get older. It gets worse.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:14 Okay. Yes. Agreed.

Joe Rogan 58:16 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:16 We get worse as we get older.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Well, especially him. He's old as fuck.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:19 Nobody fucks with a Biden.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Such a silly man.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:24 I think for-

Joe Rogan 58:24 He's always been silly.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:24 By the way, for any man to say that.

Joe Rogan 58:26 What was he saying?

Iliza Shlesinger 58:27 Here it is. I don't appreciate that. I'll kick the thing. You, you, you took something out of my hand. I was, I was. No one fucks with a Biden. Yeah, you goddamn right.

Joe Rogan 58:35 (laughs)

Iliza Shlesinger 58:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:36 That's a funny thing to say.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:37 Yeah, I love it.

Joe Rogan 58:37 I have no problem with that.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:38 I love it. That's exactly what I said. I didn't... I wasn't saying he had dementia. I was just saying that-

Joe Rogan 58:42 Did people get mad at that? At him saying that?

Iliza Shlesinger 58:43 No, it was just news. It was just-

Joe Rogan 58:44 Oh.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:44 ... kind of out of character for him.

Joe Rogan 58:46 I like it. I like that.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:48 It's cheesy.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:49 But it's cool.

Joe Rogan 58:50 It's funny. He's talking to some regular dude and just shaking hands. "No one fucks with a Biden." Like, yeah, okay.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:55 I mean, we've all said stuff with our mics.

Joe Rogan 58:57 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 58:57 I've peed with my mic on. I've-

Joe Rogan 58:59 Nothing wrong with that. I don't give a shit.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:00 Nothing wrong with saying something into a lav.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah, I mean, look, it's... It is what it is. He's, he's old. But that thing, like who cares about that? How's that even news? It's kind of funny.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:12 It just popped up on my Instagram.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:13 I don't... It wasn't, like, on the front page of the New York Times.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Well, I'm sure some people are gonna run with it. Some fucking Fox News people are gonna think it's evidence of his moral decay or something.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:22 Well, I mean, I mean, it did lead you to go into a whole thing about... Which you also said to me last time, that he had dementia.

Joe Rogan 59:27 He's got something.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:29 He's got some-... You think he's got something?

Joe Rogan 59:30 Yeah, you ever seen the compilations of him just stumbling and not knowing what to talk about and losing his place and forgetting? "Oh, I forgot about it."

Iliza Shlesinger 59:38 Let me, let me-

Joe Rogan 59:39 It's not good.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:40 I'm not... I don't have a take on this as much as if you... So, a president has to talk a lot, because they do those compilations on George Bush. They do them on Donald Trump.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Sure.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:50 If you... I mean, they could do them on you or me. Like, if you film enough of someone talking-

Joe Rogan 59:54 Yes.

Iliza Shlesinger 59:54 ... and you cobble it together. Um, what's the one from... There's another one of him doing something like that. He did, "No one fucks with a Biden." Oh, it was George Bush. There's this clip that went around recently where he, like, says something about the Iraq War and he goes, "Now watch me tee off." Or like, "Now watch this long shot." And he just turns around and hits a golf ball.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Oh, I've seen that one. That's hilarious.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:13 I kind of don't hate it. I think it's very funny.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Yeah, it's kind of hilarious.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Well, what do you want the guy to do?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:17 What do you want him to do?

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 First of all, he's a human being and he's in the middle of-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:20 Golfing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Golfing and in the most insanely pressure-filled life the world's ever known.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 If you're a president, that job is fucked, and you are under scrutiny 24/7, and you're just living this bizarre world where... In this bizarre world where you're in control of the economic future, the environmental future, the international treaties and laws and whether or not we invade countries and interventionist foreign policy. Like, the fucking chaos involved in being the president. You can't let the guy talk some shit, and now watch this drive. That's kind of funny.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:56 But, I mean, that's the reason most people voted for him.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Right.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:00:59 And so I just... I mean, it doesn't matter now.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Because he's a regular guy.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:02 He's regular Joe you want to have a beer with.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:05 And so-

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 It's a weird thing to want from a leader, right?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:08 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 But I guess it's better than someone who you don't wanna have a beer with. Have you seen-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:11 I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 ... some fucking creep who's just, like, just some weird lizard person who just doesn't make any sense to you? And-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:17 Do you wanna have a beer with Vladimir Putin?

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Um, I'd have some vodka with that guy.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:21 Would you have him on your podcast?

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Well, I don't speak Russian, so I don't think we would be able to communicate correctly. I don't know how well he speaks English. But it would be a fascinating conversation-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 ... to, uh, to, to hear his perspective.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 You know.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:35 But that guy's a tool.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Well, he's definitely a killer.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 You know? I mean, he's the, I mean, he's a former...

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:44 KGB.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Yeah, well, it was KGB, and then what's the, what's the other, um... FSB? Yeah, he's, um, just a scary man, and he's also insanely wealthy. Is that it? FSB.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:01:55 He's in, there, there's like, you've seen the picture of his... or they thought it was his house and it looks like something-

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:02:00 ... that like a villain would live in.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah, it's like a, some fucking massive compound that's worth like $100 million.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:02:05 I read Red Notice. I don't know if you read this book. Bill Brower, did you read this book? Red Notice? And it's about the M- is it Megitsky Act? It's like this, uh, it's basically about a guy who did like private wealth management and he got into Eastern Europe. This is a true story. And he got into Eastern Europe and managing money over there, and it's about how he got tangled up in Russia and them, they ended up murdering like one of his accountants. And they tortured him so horribly that this guy then dedicated his life to getting laws passed about the way people are treated abroad, um, and he talks about Vladimir Putin and he talks about how corrupt it is over there, and it's all a true story. It's a su- I don't even know... I think they made a really bad movie about it, I th- I think they're wrong about that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Oh, it's insanely corrupt.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:02:46 But it's a really good book.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Uh, it's an insanely corrupt part of the world, and whenever you have an autocrat, y- you know, whenever you have one guy that gets to stay in power for as long as he wants, which is essentially-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:02:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 ... what Vladimir Putin is, and a guy who poisons and kills his enemies.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 It's a fucking scary situation.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:04 Yeah, thank God we live here.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Thank God we live here. Yeah. I mean, it's better. It's not ideal. It's not the best.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:11 But I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 But it's the best that, available.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:13 I think, you know, you're allowed to... I'm allowed to be proud to be an American and embarrassed at other times.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:19 And I think we have an issue with people not being bleeding heart patriots or it's like, "Oh, you're too much of a snowflake." It's, you're allowed to criticize this land that you love so much.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 You're allowed to express yourself. If, if people-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:31 You are allowed to express yourself. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 If you don't want a person to express themselves, then you don't believe in real freedom, 'cause people should have the ability to express themselves incorrectly and make mistakes, and the way to counter that is to express yourself correctly and make better points-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 ... make better arguments. That's how we find out what's real and what's not real. When you could t- find the tyrants is who's fucking silencing people? Who's stopping people from expressing themselves?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:03:54 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Who's stopping people from expressing opinions that they disagree with, that other people disagree with?

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:01 I don't have an issue with that, but I also wonder what about people who purposefully disseminate wrong information? Disinformation.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Yeah, that's creepy too. That, and that-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:10 That's super creepy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 And that is also, it should be like criminally liable, right? If you know-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Like if you're-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:15 Like Alex Jones.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 ... working for a company and that company tells you something and you know that for a fact and then you go out and spread information that is incorrect because it's in the greater interest of that company-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 ... it's criminal.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:29 If you knew better.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Yeah. If you knew better and you lie-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:32 If you knew better.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 ... and you do it for profit or you do-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:34 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 ... you know, you have motive. Yeah. That's, but that, the, I mean, that goes back to what we were talking about, like, finding the truth. It's so difficult to know the truth sometimes with very complex issues. It's like y- trying to get as many objective sources of information as possible-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:50 A- and it's such a fast news cycle.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 ... and then forming your own opinions. Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:52 Just you start to dig into one thing, and at some point you have to feed yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:56 You have to have a living.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Mm-hmm.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:04:58 You know? And I think too as comics, you know, like I have this desire to be on the right side and to know everything and to be as well-rounded as possible, but I also have to like hold my daughter and I also have to-

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:10 ... write jokes, and you also wanna be funny, but it just feels like the stakes are so high lately.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Yeah. And you have the freedom to sort of at least make your own schedule. I mean, you have shows that you have to go to and, but you have most of the day and, you know, you have responsibilities, but some people don't even have that.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:27 Some people don't.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Some people have, they're constantly working.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 And so to ask that person to be, uh, up on the news cycle with everything that's going on in the world and, and have an informed opinion and a hot take on every fucking-

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:39 It's too much.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 It's too much. And it's, and it's just getting worse. It's just getting... there's mo- information overload.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:46 Overload. Content overload.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:05:48 I saw somebody the other day said, 'cause I look at a lot of TikTok, and it's great sometimes and then it, it, it eats away at your brain at other times. She, it was just this thing that was like try to avoid, I think it was called like a dread, dread scheduling. And I didn't look into it, but I was like, I try to live my life by having as few things on the calendar that I'm like, "Ugh, I don't wanna do that."

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:06:09 I bet you have the ability to like have a life that's like dread-free, minus like you gotta go to the dentist or something.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Yeah, I don't have very many dreads.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:06:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Yeah.

Iliza Shlesinger 1:06:16 I, I think that's a big part of happiness is like just not booking the thing that you kind of don't wanna do.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah. Well, once you're fortunate enough to be able to do that, the key is