Joe Rogan Experience #1894 - Suzanne Santo

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   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

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   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Mm, Suzanne.

   5. SSSuzanne Santo0:13

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What's happening? Good to see you, my friend.

   7. SSSuzanne Santo0:15

      Oh, it's good to see you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      You look lovely.

   9. SSSuzanne Santo0:18

      (laughs) Oh, thanks.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       You look invigorated.

   11. SSSuzanne Santo0:20

       Thank you. Well, I went to the gym and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Oh.

   13. SSSuzanne Santo0:23

       ... you know, been, been, uh, eating well. I don't know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Nice.

   15. SSSuzanne Santo0:26

       Trying to take care of the vessel.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yesterday was my first day that I didn't work out for a whole month, because-

   17. SSSuzanne Santo0:31

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       ... we did that Sober October thing.

   19. SSSuzanne Santo0:32

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Worked out every day of the week.

   21. SSSuzanne Santo0:34

       So, do you... Is that not your usual? Your norm?

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October, to just, like, get my body conditioned-

   23. SSSuzanne Santo0:43

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       ... to this idea that we're going at it every day.

   25. SSSuzanne Santo0:45

       Mm-hmm. Do you, uh... And do you guys have, like, a contest of, like, who burns the most calories or something?

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       We didn't.

   27. SSSuzanne Santo0:51

       Or...

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       We can't have a contest-

   29. SSSuzanne Santo0:53

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... 'cause we'd just get too stupid.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      to your immune system. Like, if your immune system was young and strong-

   2. SSSuzanne Santo15:03

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      ... like, it actually fought against your immune system. We got lucky with this one. This, this one was lucky because it actually favored people that were healthy and including children. It favored people that were young and resilient. And really, it really fucked people up that were overweight more than anything. People that were fat. You know, there was a thing about COVID, the way it interacts with fat, it actually replicates in fat. So, like, people with, uh, fat got a, a, a higher dose. It was-

   4. SSSuzanne Santo15:32

      Oh, really?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      ... like, a higher viral load. Figure out what that was, Jamey.

   6. SSSuzanne Santo15:35

      (clears throat)

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:35

      Like, something about being obese uniquely targeted people for COVID. It's something about this particular virus, the way it affected obese people, which was, like, 78% at one point in time of the people in the ICU, they were obese.

   8. SSSuzanne Santo15:50

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      Which is wild.

   10. SSSuzanne Santo15:52

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       But yet, we live in this whirr- world where you're not supposed to talk about people being fat as being a real problem.

   12. SSSuzanne Santo15:59

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       And you're supposed to, you know, not fat-shame people. It's like... (sighs)

   14. SSSuzanne Santo16:03

       Well, you know, s- some of that isn't-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Here, it is. Uh-

   16. SSSuzanne Santo16:06

       I wanna say... Oh, okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       "SARS-CoV-2 infects fat tissue and creates inflammatory storm cloud. Stanford Medicine scientists find it could explain why obese people have a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infections and are more likely to progress to severe disease and die of infection. So, it shows that SARS-CoV-2 can infect human fat tissue. This phenomena was seen in laboratory experiments conducted on fat tissue excised from patients undergoing by- uh, bariatric and cardiac surgeries and later infected in a laboratory dish with SARS-CoV-2. It was further confirmed in autopsy samples from deceased COVID-19 patients. Obesity is an established, independent risk factor for SARS-CoV-2 infection as well as for patients' progression once infected to severe disease and death. Reasons offered for this increased vulnerability range from impaired breathing resulting from the pressure of extra weight to altered immune respons- responsiveness in obese people, but the new study provides a more direct reason. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can directly infect adipose tissue, which most ref- refers to as just plain fat. That, in turn, cooks up a cycle of viral replication within resident fat cells or, uh, adipocytes, uh, that cause profound inflammation in immune cells that hang out in fat tissue. The inflammation converts even uninfected bystander cells within the tissue and into an inflammatory state. With two out of every three American adults overweight and more out of 4 in 10 of them obese, this is a potential cause for concern." Der.

   18. SSSuzanne Santo17:47

       I feel like, um... Well, first of all, that's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Wild.

   20. SSSuzanne Santo17:51

       ... fucking wild, but, you know, part... Like, I'm always amazed at those photos of, like, people in line for a concert in the '90s or, you know, and then, like, (laughs) juxtaposed next to something this past year.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       Yeah.

   22. SSSuzanne Santo18:04

       Harry Styles? I don't know. And there's a distinct difference in body type. And people are still eating the same junk food now that we were then. Like, we still ate fast food then. We had all kinds of, you know, sugar and things in our diet and sweets, but I'm really-... interested in what's in our processed food, um, like seed oils and things like that. And, and it's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       Oh, we, we harp it on that ad nauseam on the podcast daily.

   24. SSSuzanne Santo18:28

       It's... Yeah, well then let's move on. I don't wanna-

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       No, no, it's okay.

   26. SSSuzanne Santo18:31

       But I, I... It's a new thing in my life. So, you know, I- I, uh, love Ways to Well. I freaking, like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       Yeah, they're great.

   28. SSSuzanne Santo18:37

       They've been life-changing. It's the best, uh, medical care I've ever had. Like, since I was a kid and I had a, like, you know, local doctor in Ohio.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       Did you do, like, a deep blood work panel and-

   30. SSSuzanne Santo18:47

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. SSSuzanne Santo30:00

      saving grace with this like, uh, anti-cancel culture thing that's happening. Like, uh, sure, fact-check, that's great, but, um, give people room to fuck up.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Yeah.

   3. SSSuzanne Santo30:09

      Give people room to say, "Hey, I'm sorry I said the wrong thing."

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Yeah.

   5. SSSuzanne Santo30:12

      "And let me just apologize, and I'll do better. I'll try better next time." You know? Like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      Human beings are very messy, you know, and depending upon who you ... You're a different person every day. Every day you're slightly different. Every day depen-

   7. SSSuzanne Santo30:23

      Yesterday I was Dolly Parton. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      Are you? Congratulations.

   9. SSSuzanne Santo30:26

      I wish. (laughs) Thanks. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       (sings) Julie, Julie.

   11. SSSuzanne Santo30:28

       I've downsized. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       (laughs) That lady-

   13. SSSuzanne Santo30:32

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       ... she's one of the few people that everybody loves.

   15. SSSuzanne Santo30:34

       Oh my God. You should get her on the podcast.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       I would love to have her on the podcast.

   17. SSSuzanne Santo30:36

       That would be amazing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       She's so loved.

   19. SSSuzanne Santo30:39

       I know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Like, universally loved.

   21. SSSuzanne Santo30:41

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Like, no matter what.

   23. SSSuzanne Santo30:42

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       You know, she's like one of those people, like Willie Nelson.

   25. SSSuzanne Santo30:46

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Like, you can't hear a bad word about Willie Nelson.

   27. SSSuzanne Santo30:48

       No, you can't. Oh, God. I got to see him last year. Or no, this year. I played the Luck Reunion, um, uh, at Willie's ranch and I got to see him play, uh, and it was just... I hadn't seen him in like 10 years and it's just, mm, it's so special. And, you know, he's up there, so-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Yeah.

   29. SSSuzanne Santo31:05

       ... you wanna get as much, uh, Willie Nelson time as you can.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       Right, while he's-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh, not The Gray…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Old Man?

   2. SSSuzanne Santo45:01

      Oh, not The Gray Man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      With Jeff Bridges.

   4. SSSuzanne Santo45:02

      The Old Man, that's what I meant.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Yeah. Oh, The Old Man's good.

   6. SSSuzanne Santo45:04

      Oh, I was talking about The Old Man. Oh, The Gray Man was the one with, uh ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      The Gray Man is that Ryan Reynolds?

   8. GUGuest45:11

      Gosling.

   9. SSSuzanne Santo45:11

      Ryan Gosling.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:12

       Gosling. I always fuck 'em up. I always confuse those two.

   11. SSSuzanne Santo45:14

       Oh, yeah, one of the m-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       Yeah.

   13. SSSuzanne Santo45:15

       ... the men. The Old Man. And aren't they kind of synonymous at this point? Old and gray. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       But Ryan Gosling's not old.

   15. SSSuzanne Santo45:21

       No, he's not. I was just joking.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       The, The Old Man is, uh, the Jeff Bridges one.

   17. SSSuzanne Santo45:24

       That's the one I was talking about.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Yeah. That's really good for a few episodes.

   19. SSSuzanne Santo45:27

       Right, and then-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       And, and then it kind of like-

   21. SSSuzanne Santo45:28

       ... it just drones on.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       It gets to the point where you're like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

   23. SSSuzanne Santo45:32

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       "How is he getting away? What is going on? How's he driving all the way across the country and not catch him?"

   25. SSSuzanne Santo45:36

       Well, and then the storyline of like dedicating his l- his love to this woman who's terrible to him.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Well, he's terrible to her too.

   27. SSSuzanne Santo45:44

       Yeah, but it just, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       I mean, he dragged her and kidnapped her and ...

   29. SSSuzanne Santo45:50

       Once again, like a Greek tragedy. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:31

   Yeah. …

   1. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:00

      ... I don't know. Performing and seeing live performances feels essential to me. You know, you know, like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Yeah.

   3. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:08

      ... you need to go out there and do your thing. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      But once you experience it and experience that sort of transcendent moment of the whole crowd vibing with a song-

   5. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:19

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      ... and everyone enjoying it, it's like, those are beautiful moments in life. And i- the people that don't get to see them, th- maybe they forget or maybe they, they haven't experienced it, but it, it enhances your life in a very unique way. And musicians like yourself and, and so many others, they provide a thing that if you guys didn't provide it, the world would be less fun. It'd be less exciting.

   7. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:41

      (laughs) Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      It'd be less cool.

   9. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:43

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       You know? It's beautiful.

   11. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:44

       I hope I didn't contradict myself by being like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       No.

   13. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:46

       ... "I'm making excuses right now." (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       No, you just, you're looking at life and you're trying to figure yourself out.

   15. SSSuzanne Santo1:00:51

       Well, it, it's, you know, the, I think the difficult thing is, like, I know myself, I know who I am, and, um, when you feel limited with your, uh, extension of your abilities or yourself-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Mm-hmm.

   17. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:05

       ... uh, it's a very confusing thing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Yeah.

   19. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:06

       You know? 'Cause I'm not sure what, what is my fault and what is, uh, just the circumstance in the state of my industry.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Mm-hmm.

   21. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:13

       Or, you know, 'cause it's such a moving target.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Yeah.

   23. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:16

       It's always changing, and, like, you know, Jamie and I were talking earlier about TikTok, and I was like, "Fuck," you know? It's like, okay, so you gotta write the songs and you gotta record them and make 'em fucking awesome, and then you gotta make sure you're doing TikTok, and, like, all, like, keeping up on the stuff is-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       Are you TikToking?

   25. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:32

       I, you know, I have an account. It's, I usually post, like, videos of my dogs and 'cause they're hilarious. (laughs) But I'll, I'll put some music on there from time to time. I don't like feeling like I have to do it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Yeah.

   27. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:43

       It's, it's just, it's like another, like, "Fuck, okay, fine," you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       The reluctant grasp of social media, yeah.

   29. SSSuzanne Santo1:01:51

       It feels desperate. I think what I don't like about those things is, like, I wanna come by those honestly.... like, if I really feel like there's something funny I want to share.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Right.

Episode duration: 3:52:03