Joe Rogan Experience #1905 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Liver King’s admission confirmed what many suspected: he built and marketed a brand on a physique that required heavy drug use, all while insisting it came from ‘ancestral tenets’ and organ supplements. This misleads vulnerable young men and consumers into believing unrealistic results are achievable through diet alone.

Examples like Paul Sklar, Paul Saladino, and MattDoesFitness show what’s possible with genetics, decades of training, and clean lifestyles—and they actively verify through bloodwork or drug testing. In contrast, physiques like Liver King, The Rock, and Mike O’Hearn strongly fail the ‘eye test’ at their age and size.

Derek highlights cases of catastrophic steroid acne, permanent scarring, gynecomastia requiring surgery, cardiac enlargement, liver/kidney damage, and neurodegeneration. Genetics and underground drug quality can make side effects dramatically worse, and bodybuilding’s stage condition is fundamentally unhealthy.

The duo argue that lying about steroid or HRT use while monetizing training apps, supplements, or ‘secret’ methods is charlatan behavior. Even when PEDs might be understandable for roles (e.g., superheroes), openly using that physique to sell ‘natural’ methods crosses a clear ethical line.

USADA doesn’t test for everything, can be inconsistent in who it tests and how often, and may miss compounds like DNP or certain peptides. Fighters like Conor can legally leave the testing pool to rehab with potent growth factors, raising fairness questions even if technically within the rules.