Joe Rogan Experience #1905 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:01

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey, Derek, you know how I got so jacked?

   4. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:15

      How?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I followed the nine ancestral tenets.

   6. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:18

      (laughs) Oh, that, I heard that works really well.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      (laughs) It's the best way.

   8. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Boy, when I saw that video that you posted, you actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it. I, I, I caught it, like, within three minutes of you posting it.

   10. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:30

       Oh my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Uh, I saw it, it just showed up on my YouTube feed, I'm like, "Oh, yes. Here we go." And, uh, wasn't surprised at all.

   12. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:39

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       I mean, it's all, it seems ... Completely makes sense. But that's exactly what I expected.

   14. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:44

       Yeah, it seemed like just a matter of time for him.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       There's no way you can look like that.

   16. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)0:47

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       In your 40s. That jack- I mean, he's preposterously jacked. Do we have a fucking ... Uh, d- uh, now that we know that he's full of shit, uh, we're talking about the Liver King, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of people are like, "What are they saying?" This is all inside stuff.

   18. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:02

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       There's a guy. If you don't know who the, the Liver King is, it's a guy, calls himself the Liver King, and he's this guy who, uh, walks around everywhere with no shirt on. I've seen him in Vegas with no shirt on. Big bushy beard, super jacked, and he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by sunning his balls.

   20. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:18

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       He, uh, he, he literally lays down with his asshole staring at the sun-

   22. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:23

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       ... and, and eats raw liver, and just lifts like a maniac. And, uh, that's how he's so jacked. But it's preposterous.

   24. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:31

       Yeah, too many polar extremes to have just, like, a unique marketing spin that was just highly viral.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       Yeah.

   26. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:37

       In my opinion. And, I don't know, I think most people could see through it, but at the same time, he would ... Like, there was a lot of big names that even reached out to me after the video came out, and they were like, "You know, I didn't think he was natural," but this guy literally right to my face would say, like, blatantly, "I am natural." And look, a lot of people will take a guy at its word, at his word, when it's, like, a private conversation. And if he's straight up telling you in person, "Yeah, it's actually legit, I'm natural," and he was just lying, uh, through his fucking teeth seemingly.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       There are some people that are really jacked that are natural.

   28. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)2:11

       For sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:12

       Some people that are, like, super, super disciplined. They, um, you know, they're taking supplements, but all legal supplements that you get at, like, a vitamin store. And they're just, like, they've never gotten off the grind. And, uh, who's that guy? Paul Sklar?

   30. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)2:30

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:00

      wrap his head around justifying-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Yeah.

   3. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:02

      ... coming out and saying, "I'm on HRT, but do this other stuff."

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Well, he kinda had... I mean, one of the parts of your video that was really good was that you inserted this guy who gives a definition of charlatans.

   5. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:12

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Who's that jo- that guy?

   7. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:14

      Zach Tellander.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Zach Tellander.

   9. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:16

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       So that guy's definition of char- charlatans is really excellent, because, you know, when you're talking about fitness and physiques and you're talking about, uh, bodybuilding and just getting jacked, there are so many, like, really educated, really jacked-looking people that are online that tell you how they do it.

   11. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:39

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       And they give you, like, what supplements they're taking, what's- what kind of sets they're doing, what's their recovery like, what's... All those things, and y- it's... Everyone's giving a very similar message.

   13. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)15:53

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Some people have different approaches. Some people, you know, they're doing, you know, different kinds of exercises, but it's pretty consistent. And one of the things that Zach talked about in that video that you inserted into your video, which was really good, was that when someone comes along and they have a secret-

   15. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:09

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       ... this is the secret.

   17. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:11

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       The secret is the nine ancestral tenants.

   19. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:14

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       I mean, you- you- you see him there with the beard? He looks like a fucking- like an ogre or- like someone in Lord of the Rings.

   21. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:20

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Like, he looks like he belongs... The nine ancestral tenants. Like, you're gonna meet him in a cave somewhere and he's gonna explain to you and give you a magic staff.

   23. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:28

       Yeah, it's like he needs... I felt- he feels it justified to be a larger-than-life character to represent the polar extreme of ancestral living and even if it's at the detriment of having to take a bunch of drugs to do it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       It's 'cause men are killing themselves, Derek.

   25. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:41

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       There's a whole reason for it.

   27. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       It's so dumb because imagine if you're, like, a really skinny guy and you're like, "All I have to do is eat liver and I can look like that guy?" Imagine. Like, there's people out there that really believe that, like that's what's missing. "You know, wolves eat liver. Why don't I eat li-" So they're going- which is, by the way, very, very healthy for you.

   29. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)16:58

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       Liver is a fantastic food to eat. One of the very best foods that you can eat.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:00

      sure. So it's kind of an interesting scenario for some of the actors 'cause I think just, uh, unspokenly, some of these interviewers know to not ask the question.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Right.

   3. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:10

      But, like, it's just an interesting scenario in which I would wonder what the best answer is, if it's just point blank "Yes."

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Well, let me tell you a case.

   5. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:19

      When they're girls.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      There was a guy who got really jacked for a superhero role and he did a friend of mine's podcast.

   7. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:24

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      And he said to him before the podcast, "I'll talk about anything, but do not ask me about drugs."

   9. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:29

      Ah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       "Uh, just please don't talk to me about steroids or drugs."

   11. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:32

       Hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       It was the number one thing he did not want to talk about.

   13. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:35

       Hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       ... I think studios and the, you know, the, uh, massive amount of money that's involved in a film, like, the, the one thing they don't want is to jeopardize any of the potential income.

   15. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:51

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Right?

   17. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)30:52

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       And if you come out and say, "You know, the only way I got this way for the Hulk is, like, I had to take massive amounts of steroids and this is just how it is," people are gonna get upset. "Oh, you cheated." And-

   19. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:04

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       ... there's this, there's a mentality as you go further down the line that people are less and less educated about the realities of fitness and physiques. As you go further and further down the line, there's a mentality where people like, "Barry Bonds cheated, Mark McGwire cheated-"

   21. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:20

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       "... those are cheaters."

   23. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:21

       Or Lance Armstrong.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Yeah. "Lance Armstrong cheated."

   25. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:25

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       And they're just uneducated. And unfortunately, we're playing to that. And mainstream television is so woefully piss-poor at interviewing these people and pressing them.

   27. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:37

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       And they, they let them off the hook every time. Every single time, whether it's Thor, whether, whether it's Hemsworth, or any of these people who got super fucking jacked for a movie, like Wolverine.

   29. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)31:50

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Like, cut the fucking shit.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:00

      Mm-hmm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And they're not telling the truth about that-

   3. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:03

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Like, that's... Or are they, are they even being questioned? I mean, is anybody questioning The Rock-

   5. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:07

      Nah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      ... or questioning Hemsworth?

   7. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:09

      I think they kinda know it's, like, uh, not gonna turn out well if they ask. Like, they'd probably get, like, fired, I imagine, if they actually asked that question to them.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Isn't that crazy?

   9. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:16

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       'Cause I think that's an important topic.

   11. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:19

       Yeah. No, and it just gets swept under the rug, 'cause it's like, it's... Nothing about answering the question other than getting the breaking story is conducive to that reporter's, like, longevity of their career- (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Right.

   13. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:30

       ... essentially. So-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       It's really unfortunate that, that, that even HRT has gotten such a weird... It's, it's, it's in this very bizarre category of things that people avoid discussing.

   15. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:43

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       And I know guys that are sheepish- sheepishly, um, asking questions and trying to get on it now, that are, are friends with mine-

   17. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:52

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       ... that, like, 10 years ago, used to mock me for it.

   19. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:56

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       They're like, "Why are you taking that stuff?" I'm like, "Why aren't you taking it?"

   21. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)45:59

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       You know, like, "What's wrong with you?"

   23. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)46:00

       Now, even the celebrities that are honest or, with the exception of maybe, like, Mickey Rourke or something, are, like, pretty careful, uh, and calculated about how they even represent their HRT, which could be, like, a therapeutic-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Yeah.

   25. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)46:13

       ... amount. Like, I, there was one interview, it was like, uh, I think it was, uh, Kumail Nanjiani talking with, uh, ah, what's his name? Rob McElhenney from It's Always Sunny. I forget the name of the show.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       Mm-hmm.

   27. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)46:25

       But, they're, like, obviously, Kumail totally, completely morphed his physique.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       Morphed.

   29. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)46:29

       Yeah, the guy's, like, fucking mutated in, like, a year.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:08

   Well they're bigger. …

   1. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:00

      to normal eggs, which I don't know, like I haven't even looked into the micronutrient like proportions of it to see if that to be true.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Well they're bigger.

   3. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:07

      But he was selling like a duck egg extract product for like 700 bucks or something, and like very much implying that it was supporting his physique.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Duck egg extract? Why wouldn't you just go get duck eggs?

   5. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:21

      Yeah, I don't know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      I had a duck egg- I had a duck egg recently, it was terrible. It was like one of those things-

   7. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:25

      They-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      ... where it's like, oh, you know, like even in- in cosmetics they'll like take a peptide, some h- some obscure name and like extract it and be like, "Oh, we put it into this face serum and this thing that came from-"

   9. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:33

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       "... some natural source. It's like the secret for, you know, eternal youth-"

   11. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:37

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       "... sort of thing." Yeah, and it was just like the commercialization of the thing that is not responsible for your physique is like very, very frowned upon.Yeah, that's, that should be frowned upon.

   13. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:49

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       It's very deceptive, you know? I mean, it's one thing if you're actually using those products and you, you believe in them-

   15. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:00:55

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       ... and this is why you're selling them, but when you're just doing it for a money grab and also you're on the sauce. (laughs)

   17. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:02

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Yeah. The, uh, one thing that you've done that's really good, that's really important with your channel is you've highlighted the horrific negative effects that some people encounter.

   19. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:13

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       And one of them was this young man. I'd never seen anything like it. This young man that gone on steroids and his back-

   21. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:19

       Oh, just exploded. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       ... and all... His chest too, right? Like-

   23. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:22

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       ... acne like you couldn't believe.

   25. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:25

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       What is that?

   27. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:01:27

       Yeah, so some people, they have genetic predispositions that'll make them, uh, like, either hyper-respond sometimes in a positive way, also in the side effect aspect. Like, usually the rule will be if you push the envelope and go into, like, super physiological dosage territory, typically one thing will at least go wrong for you. You will probably have some sort of... (sighs) I'm not saying this to be always the case because there are, like, more responsible ways to go about it to minimize the risk of this happening or potentially avoid it all together to some extent, but, like, you know, hair loss, gynecomastia, acne, et cetera. And this guy, he just had brutal acne breakout after, and-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       What's the name of the video so we can take a look at it?

   29. DDDerek (More Plates More Dates)1:02:05

       (sighs) It's tough to say (laughs) because I've done a couple of acne videos. You can just type in acne and you see, like, uh, at least a few examples on my channel.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

       Just go to more pla- this is-

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