Joe Rogan Experience #1923 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Speak up for horseshit, Jamie. You're just gonna let them ban bullshit? That could be a problem for bullshit.

   4. NANarrator0:23

      Well, some bullshit's fun.

   5. MBMike Baker0:24

      I think you abdicated your responsibility.

   6. NANarrator0:26

      Some bullshit's fun and should just be, that's the bullshit you like.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Yes, some bullshit is fun.

   8. NANarrator0:30

      Like wrestling or whatever.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      (laughs) Yes. But wrestling doesn't cost people billions and billions of dollars when it doesn't go right.

   10. NANarrator0:37

       Well...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Do you think that, that fucking guy who crashed, uh, FTX, the Binance guy, do you think he had any idea that he was gonna crash his business too?

   12. NANarrator0:47

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       'Cause-

   14. NANarrator0:48

       Kinda like collateral damage? I mean-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah, well he's, they're going under. He's lost like $15 billion over the last few days.

   16. NANarrator0:56

       Yeah, I, probab- I would say no, he didn't see it coming. No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       But fucking duh.

   18. NANarrator1:01

       (laughs)

   19. MBMike Baker1:01

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Fucking duh. You just, you, you basically showed everybody how vulnerable this money on a c- hard drive is. This like, weird-

   21. MBMike Baker1:10

       I'm mining. I'm mining for coin.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Are you? You're mining?

   23. MBMike Baker1:13

       No, no, no, no. I'm just kidding.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Wonderful idea.

   25. MBMike Baker1:16

       I know. It's so profitable to mine.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (laughs)

   27. MBMike Baker1:20

       It was either that or cobalt, and crypto seemed easier.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       So Jamie, you were saying that people were mad... First of all, they were mad at Peter Zion, for-

   29. NANarrator1:28

       Mostly that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       ... yeah, for saying what seems to be the case, is that a lot of crypto is just horseshit.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah, they probably would've…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      mad at you?

   2. MBMike Baker15:00

      Yeah, they probably would've thrown them at us, you know? Just walked out.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      What the fuck-

   4. MBMike Baker15:03

      Just stormed out of-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      ... is this piece of shit?

   6. MBMike Baker15:04

      ... the living room. You know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      If you had an Android phone-

   8. MBMike Baker15:07

      ... fucking Santa.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      ... like we have today, if you had one of those things 10 years ago, you were a goddamn wizard.

   10. MBMike Baker15:12

       Yeah. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       Like, if you had a Samsung Galaxy phone 10 years ago, like they have today, it would be the greatest-

   12. MBMike Baker15:19

       Oh, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       ... thing ever.

   14. MBMike Baker15:19

       Yeah. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       But in 10 years...

   16. MBMike Baker15:21

       No, it didn't take long, and, and then, and honestly, you know, everything moves at, at this breakneck speed in technology, obviously. But, you know, we, we, uh, we debated for a while about the youngest one getting him a phone, right? But now he's, he's old enough, right? He's 11, and he's, he's going to sports activities and practice and everything. So from a security perspective, you have to do it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Right.

   18. MBMike Baker15:40

       But the problem is locking these things down.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Mm-hmm.

   20. MBMike Baker15:42

       Right? And trying to keep them from seeing shit. (laughs) Uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       You can't.

   22. MBMike Baker15:47

       They just, it will, you can't.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       You can't.

   24. MBMike Baker15:48

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       They're gonna see shit.

   26. MBMike Baker15:49

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       No, I mean, I'm amazed at the shit that I see just on Instagram, you know? On, on-

   28. MBMike Baker15:56

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       ... In- just on Instagram, I see people getting murdered every day. Every day.

   30. MBMike Baker16:01

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. MBMike Baker30:00

      So almost in a full year, the US spent about $50 billion in assistance, and about half of that is military aid, right? In a variety of forms, right? The Highmore systems all the way to protective body armor, right? So it's, it's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MBMike Baker30:14

      It's all over the map, and training. Um, if you compare that $50 billion in aid to... And so what's that? About $25 billion in military aid. If you compare that to previous year or the year before, we were probably spending, on the Ukraine, we were probably spending $250, $270 million.... in military assistance, that's it. Right? So that ramp up is incredible. And then that doesn't include what the EU's put into it, what the UK's put into it, and everything else.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MBMike Baker30:48

      So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MBMike Baker30:48

      ... how do you back out of that? Right? How do you say, "Okay, we're, (laughs) we're, now we're putting a Patriot missile battery in there"? Um, and, you know, France and, and we have agreed, I think we're looking towards, you know, more advanced, um, armor technology. We're gonna give them tanks that they've been hankering for. Hankering? (laughs) I said hankering. Um, and so... That might be a Ukrainian word. Um, I, I don't know. When you w- I don't... I have no idea where it's going to wrap up. Putin's not gonna give up Crimea, so what does that mean? Well, you got to create some middle ground then, where it's not gonna be a complete victory for the Ukraine, and that's gonna make a lot of people unhappy who are just standing around waving Ukraine flags. Right? And so where do you go from there? I, I don't know. You know, hopefully there's some serious negotiations happening off the radar screen, but, uh, there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence to that effect, and Putin doesn't seem to show any interest in it. Um, and he's been able so far to tamp down on the dissidence at home. And really, much like with China, the only thing Putin would really fear is losing power, and he loses power if he loses the population, and so far, that really hasn't happened. There's been protests, uh, people unhappy with the, uh... Sorry, that was my-

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:04

      I think that's your phone.

   9. MBMike Baker32:04

      That was my SportsCenter alert, I guess. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       You get a da-da-dat-da-dun?

   11. MBMike Baker32:08

       Yeah, exactly, whenever there's something big happening in the world of sports. Um, and, uh, so anyway, I, I... To answer your question in a very lengthy, rambling way, uh, who knows where it goes? But it would be nice if we had more open discussion about it, at least in Washington, and, and open with our NATO allies about what's gonna happen. We can't keep up, I don't think, this same pace of support. You know, I, it's... It seems unreasonable to think that we can. But...

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       Has there been any discussion, uh, as to like how long we do this for?

   13. MBMike Baker32:43

       Uh, not really. I think there's a... Oh, actually... I think there's a, there's a general sense, because everybody's got ADD, there's a general sense of fatigue to some degree, I mean, in some circles. But, um, saying you want to know where it's going isn't saying that you're in support of Putin, and that's part of the problem. In today's world, if you say, "Well, so where is this all going?" People say, "Well, fuck you." You're a-

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       Right.

   15. MBMike Baker33:06

       ... Putin puppet. Well, no.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       Right, right, right.

   17. MBMike Baker33:08

       Fuck you, I just want to know what's happening. So...

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       Yeah, it's weird like that, isn't it? I mean, it's, it's so strange that you're either with them or against them, and you can't just be going-

   19. MBMike Baker33:18

       (lighthearted music)

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:18

       ... "What are we doing?" What... Is it not working?

   21. MBMike Baker33:21

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       Lift the top.

   23. MBMike Baker33:22

       Oh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:22

       You gotta lift the top.

   25. MBMike Baker33:24

       Fucking hell.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Do you not know how to work a cigar lighter?

   27. MBMike Baker33:26

       Uh, it's hard to-

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       What, they teach you that in the CIA?

   29. MBMike Baker33:28

       It's technical nowadays. Look at this.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:30

       It's not really, it's really fucking easy.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MBMike Baker45:00

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Like, (laughs) you're one of the hot ladies holding up a suitcase-

   3. MBMike Baker45:03

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      ... for fucking... I mean, it's a game show.

   5. MBMike Baker45:06

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Like, how are you objectified?

   7. MBMike Baker45:08

      I forgot about that show. I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      That's literally the show.

   9. MBMike Baker45:11

      Well, um, yeah. Well, you don't get this sort of analysis just anywhere on the Harry and Meghan situation. Um, nobody's talked about pegging before as far as it goes, so.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       Well, that's just pure speculation.

   11. MBMike Baker45:24

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       I put it out there.

   13. MBMike Baker45:25

       I think it's important to note that they're speculations.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       And I apologize.

   15. MBMike Baker45:27

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       I apologize for that speculation.

   17. MBMike Baker45:30

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       It's just a joke.

   19. MBMike Baker45:31

       But, but, I mean, who... Again, why, why did he... Well, I know why he felt the need to talk about some of this shit in his book, is because otherwise no one's paying him money for this, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Right.

   21. MBMike Baker45:38

       He's gotta come up with-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       You gotta disclose some wild shit if you wanna sell a book.

   23. MBMike Baker45:41

       Yeah. So.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       And if you wanna talk about killing 25 bad guys.

   25. MBMike Baker45:47

       Yeah, it's, it's, it's not gonna set well with the people that he, he, uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Served with.

   27. MBMike Baker45:51

       ... was, uh, serving with, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Yeah.

   29. MBMike Baker45:53

       Yeah, that's, that's... Uh, yeah, anyway, anyway. I guess, you know what?

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Is it unusual that they let a prince, uh, c- fight in active combat?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:25

   Man's search for meaning.…

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:01

      17 years. Right? And they've had kids and they've raised their families with the company, and they've done ... And, you know, that's probably more rewarding than anything else I've done, in a sense, uh, aside from my family. Um, and so, I guess I just wanted to put it on paper. And then there's also that idea that, um ... And this sounds stupid. But it's the same reason I like to do TV shows, like the Black Files, the Classified series. It's because at some point, my kids, you know, can sit down when they're older and they can watch it, or they can read this or listen to it, and they got something. Right? You know? And, you know. Anyway, and that's, that's the-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      Man's search for meaning.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:37

      Man's search ... (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

      Yeah.

   5. MBMike Baker1:00:40

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

      It never ends.

   7. MBMike Baker1:00:41

      It never, it never ends. Uh, anyway, that's ... Yeah. Now I've, I've gotten that out of the way. Uh, they did send, they sent, uh, to Jamie a, uh, 60-second audio excerpt, and I said, "No. I'm not gonna sit here-"

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      And listen?

   9. MBMike Baker1:00:55

      "... and listen to myself read."

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Oh, we should definitely listen to you read.

   11. MBMike Baker1:00:57

       No. We don't wanna do that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       What is it about?

   13. MBMike Baker1:00:59

       No. It's, it's, it's, it's about, it's sort of the ... No. We don't wanna do that. It's, it's the opening.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Okay.

   15. MBMike Baker1:01:03

       And it's not ... It would just be weird to sit here and listen.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       I would like it to get weird.

   17. MBMike Baker1:01:07

       It'd be- It'd be like, Jamie say, when we watch one of your interviews on the screen.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Mm.

   19. MBMike Baker1:01:10

       And we're sitting here watching, and you're watching yourself talk, you know? So. Anyway.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       I'm used to that.

   21. MBMike Baker1:01:15

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       I'm used to that kinda weird, though.

   23. MBMike Baker1:01:18

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       I like how you-

   25. MBMike Baker1:01:19

       I think-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       ... is squirming, though, a little bit.

   27. MBMike Baker1:01:20

       Yeah. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       (laughs)

   29. MBMike Baker1:01:22

       (laughs) Yeah. It was an interesting experience. But, uh, anyway, it's been, it's been a good one and, and hopefully, uh, hopefully people find something entertaining in it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       I think the thing that people are, uh, weirded out by when it comes to intelligence agencies in this day and age is that they kind of act autonomously. They kind of act outside of what we think of as the government. We, you know, like, we think of the government as being a bunch of people that get elected, and those people do the, the rule of the people.

Episode duration: 2:37:06