Joe Rogan Experience #1960 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's happening, big dog?

Andrew Schulz 0:13 Mm. What's up, my man?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Hey. First archery shot ever.

Andrew Schulz 0:18 Oh, that was cool.

Joe Rogan 0:19 40 yards with an 80-pound compound bow. You got it right in the fucking vitals.

Andrew Schulz 0:26 It was cool.

Joe Rogan 0:26 That's an amazing thing. You should probably quit now.

Andrew Schulz 0:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 I mean, to take ... First of all, the bow's not even set up for you.

Andrew Schulz 0:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 The way the bow is set up is, for me, I have shorter arms than you.

Andrew Schulz 0:36 Correct.

Joe Rogan 0:36 You would have a longer draw length, so you have to kind of, like, move your body a little, and you center that peep sight. Bro, that's a long shot for a first shot ever in a bow, 40 yards in an indoor range.

Andrew Schulz 0:49 And what were you-

Joe Rogan 0:49 And you got it right in the vitals.

Andrew Schulz 0:51 Yeah. Now, what were you thinking when I struggled to pull it back?

Joe Rogan 0:55 Uh, normal. It's weird. It's-

Andrew Schulz 0:57 Oh, that is a-

Joe Rogan 0:57 It's awkward.

Andrew Schulz 0:57 ... common thing that happened?

Joe Rogan 0:59 Yeah. Oh, you didn't have any excuses at least. Bryan Callahan had a fucking ...

Andrew Schulz 1:03 Wait, what did he say?

Joe Rogan 1:03 Just reading a scroll of excuses.

Andrew Schulz 1:05 (laughs) Wait, what did he say? (laughs) "My labrum-"

Joe Rogan 1:06 "It's tech- probably technique," you know something. Like, no, it's, it's a strength thing.

Andrew Schulz 1:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10 I mean, it is technique, but it's just ... 80 pounds is 80 pounds.

Andrew Schulz 1:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14 It's, it's a lot of weight.

Andrew Schulz 1:15 I have a new respect for, uh, for bow and arrow folks.

Joe Rogan 1:19 It's hard.

Andrew Schulz 1:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20 It's very hard.

Andrew Schulz 1:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21 But it's really satisfying.

Andrew Schulz 1:22 Like, it puts in perspective, like, the people who can do it on horseback. You know, you see it in the movies and shit like that, and like, I don't know why I didn't think it was that hard, but ...

Joe Rogan 1:30 Yeah, that's a next level thing. The horseback thing is crazy.

Andrew Schulz 1:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32 The Mongols would time their shot when the horse was in the air.

Andrew Schulz 1:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37 So when the horse was in the air, then they would release it.

Andrew Schulz 1:38 Oh, mid-gallop.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Yes, so there would be less disturbance, less jolt on their body.

Andrew Schulz 1:43 So was that ... Yeah, we always talk about, like, Genghis Khan and how he was able to take over the world. Was the competitive advantage horseback weaponry?

Joe Rogan 1:54 They had a lot of things going for them. They had strategy, first of all.

Andrew Schulz 1:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:58 They, they had devious, wild strategies. Like, they would set people up. Like, they would, they would send a small party out, and those people-

Andrew Schulz 2:07 I heard of it.

Joe Rogan 2:07 ... would go after the small party and chase them down, and they would lead them into, like, a canyon-

Andrew Schulz 2:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:11 ... filled with Mongols and just slaughter-

Andrew Schulz 2:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:13 ... everybody and block the exit.

Andrew Schulz 2:15 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 They would, uh, hold a siege. They, they would attack a city, and they would bring so much food and so much ... so many supplies, they could just camp out inside, outside the city-

Andrew Schulz 2:27 Oh, and wait for them to starve.

Joe Rogan 2:28 ... until everybody's starved out. And then, they would start killing people and lighting them on fire and putting them on catapults and launching them over the walls-

Andrew Schulz 2:39 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 2:39 ... and light their own houses on fire-

Andrew Schulz 2:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:41 ... with the dead bodies of people they killed.

Andrew Schulz 2:43 That's motivational.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Bro.

Andrew Schulz 2:45 Yeah. I lo- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Those motherfuckers killed 10% of the population.

Andrew Schulz 2:48 That's the crazy thing, like ... I don't know, I always wonder about these times, like, like, what was, like, the Roman Empire's advantage? And, you know, some people chalk it up to, like, Rhodes, or like, why was Kangas- Genghis Khan so effective? But at a certain point in time, it has to be technology, right?

Joe Rogan 3:01 There was a lot-

Andrew Schulz 3:02 They have something-

Joe Rogan 3:02 ... man, a lot going on. There was the knowledge of the recurve bow. They were really good at recurve bows. They had catapults. And they just had, like, Genghis Khan just had this unquenchable desire to take over the world.

Andrew Schulz 3:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:16 It's really crazy that, you know, no one's scared-

Andrew Schulz 3:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:19 ... of the Mongols now, you know?

Andrew Schulz 3:22 You ... They got-

Joe Rogan 3:22 But then when one-

Andrew Schulz 3:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:23 ... of those dudes fights in the UFC, you're like, "Jesus."

Andrew Schulz 3:26 Wait, who's Mongolian in the UFC?

Joe Rogan 3:27 Let's see, who do we have? The Mongolian Murderer, that's one dude.

Andrew Schulz 3:31 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 3:32 Um, and, but there's people from that Caucasus region of the world. Like, there's a lot of people from Kazakhstan and Dagestan.

Andrew Schulz 3:39 Ah, so all the -stans are-

Joe Rogan 3:41 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 3:41 ... remnants of the Mongolian Empire.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Those guys that look a little Asian.

Andrew Schulz 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 3:44 Rakhmonov?

Joe Rogan 3:45 Yeah. Shavkat Rakhmonov.

Andrew Schulz 3:47 Shavkat Rakhmonov, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Whoo.

Andrew Schulz 3:49 Yeah. Kind of a beast.

Joe Rogan 3:50 That motherfucker is so good.

Andrew Schulz 3:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:52 All ... But they're just so tough over there. It's just crazy that they took over the whole world at one point in time, and then it all went away.

Andrew Schulz 4:00 Mm.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Like, that's a lesson for America to learn, 'cause Americans have this idea that we are the centerpiece of the military of the world.

Andrew Schulz 4:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:09 This is it. This is the baddest fucking army that's ever existed, bro.

Andrew Schulz 4:14 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:14 No one's gonna stop us.

Andrew Schulz 4:15 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:16 But the reality is, like, every single civilization that has been in control has gone under. They all go under.

Andrew Schulz 4:23 Now, did those civilizations have nukes?

Joe Rogan 4:26 No. (laughs) No. That's the problem.

Andrew Schulz 4:29 That's the tricky thing.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah, the problem is if we go out, we go out ugly, but unless-

Andrew Schulz 4:35 Everybody goes out.

Joe Rogan 4:35 ... China is clever, and they slowly dismantle our power grid and slowly pollute our country with, like, bombing chemical factories and do it slow over a long period of time ... Like, if you were a real conspiracy theorist, like one of them Reddit-

Andrew Schulz 4:53 Let's go deep. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:54 ... tinfoil hat-

Andrew Schulz 4:55 Let's go deep, my boy.

Joe Rogan 4:57 ... (laughs) you would think that China would not do a big thing-

Andrew Schulz 5:01 It's-

Joe Rogan 5:01 ... but a constant series of small things that people get accustomed to.

Andrew Schulz 5:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 You know, cyberwarfare. They would start, you know, hacking into Google servers, Amazon servers, crash everything.

Andrew Schulz 5:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Financial disruption.

Andrew Schulz 5:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Crash power grids. Do it slow.

Andrew Schulz 5:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Do it over decades, you got plenty of time. As long as you don't no- nuke United States first, they're not gonna nuke you.

Andrew Schulz 5:26 That's right.

Joe Rogan 5:26 They're not gonna ... We already did-

Andrew Schulz 5:27 Like-

Joe Rogan 5:27 ... that once.

Andrew Schulz 5:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:28 We're not gonna do that.

Andrew Schulz 5:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:29 If anybody is gonna be a first bomber, it's not gonna be us. It's not gonna be us.

Andrew Schulz 5:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:35 There's no way.

Andrew Schulz 5:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:36 That's a problem.

Andrew Schulz 5:38 That, that-

Joe Rogan 5:38 That's a strategic problem-

Andrew Schulz 5:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:40 ... 'cause we're all worried about Putin. We're like, "What if Putin gets back to the corner? What if Ukraine starts winning? What if you go ... What if this, what if that? What if Putin really does have cancer? What if he decides to go out with a bang?" Like, we're worried about that.

Andrew Schulz 5:51 Hm.

Joe Rogan 5:52 No one's worried, "What if Biden just nukes China?" What if Biden's like, "What's this TikTok? You don't wanna talk? You don't wanna talk? You don't wanna tell us about the code? How about this?" Boom! Never. Never.... we would never think that the Biden administration would go and nuke someone.

Andrew Schulz 6:10 Never. And they know that. And because they know that, they're comfortable.

Joe Rogan 6:14 Yeah, so that you could do sneaky things.

Andrew Schulz 6:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 I would do sneaky things. If I was China or if I was-

Andrew Schulz 6:18 Slowly destabilize.

Joe Rogan 6:18 ... Russia or if I was Iran.

Andrew Schulz 6:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 If I was some country that didn't like us, I would do sneaky things.

Andrew Schulz 6:24 So, is that the concern with TikTok?

Joe Rogan 6:26 Oh, yeah. There was some fascinating conversations today. Uh, w-

Andrew Schulz 6:29 'Cause it looks like they're gonna ban it.

Joe Rogan 6:32 For sure, they're not telling the truth.

Andrew Schulz 6:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Like, the way this CEO was talking to the senator today is like, oh my God. It's like, they just want to say whatever they have to say to get out of there.

Andrew Schulz 6:43 Wow, what did he say? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:43 Like, he doesn't answer the questions. He dances around, and the, the senator keeps trying to say, "That's a yes or no question."

Andrew Schulz 6:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:49 "That's a yes or no question."

Andrew Schulz 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Like, these dudes have been sending data to China from day one.

Andrew Schulz 6:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:55 And they're doing something with that data.

Andrew Schulz 6:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 They're accumulating, they're finding out how coordinated our kids are.

Andrew Schulz 7:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:00 They, they got facial recognition on all of them.

Andrew Schulz 7:02 That's what the dances are about? They're just trying to find out how coordinated?

Joe Rogan 7:05 Imagine.

Andrew Schulz 7:06 Bro. Wow, every TikTok trend is just a little bit of p-... a little information about our youth. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Also, how easily, like, led they are. You could get them to that app.

Andrew Schulz 7:18 Well, clout is the currency.

Joe Rogan 7:19 All you have to do is... Well, it's clout, but it's-

Andrew Schulz 7:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 ... they have so many things going for them. First of all, it's very easy to get a big following there.

Andrew Schulz 7:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:25 It's very easy to get shared.

Andrew Schulz 7:26 Instantaneous, it feels.

Joe Rogan 7:27 You can blow up.

Andrew Schulz 7:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:28 So, that gets people excited about it, and they use it.

Andrew Schulz 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 And it's genuinely a really good portal for creativity. Like, some people do some interesting shit on there.

Andrew Schulz 7:37 I did. It's amazing. It's, um, this is... I almost think it's our fault it's successful because we didn't think of it.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 7:43 Like, we need some responsibility here. Like, why is another country coming up with the best form of social media? That's on us. We dominated social.

Joe Rogan 7:52 That's Adam Curry's theory.

Andrew Schulz 7:53 What did he say?

Joe Rogan 7:54 Adam Curry doesn't believe it's any different in the way it gathers data than what the American social media platform does.

Andrew Schulz 7:58 It's just a better distributor of that data.

Joe Rogan 8:00 He, he just thinks that, no, this is just China kicking our ass.

Andrew Schulz 8:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:03 And we want to stop them from doing that.

Andrew Schulz 8:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:05 That we're not doing things that are that much different than what they're doing.

Andrew Schulz 8:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 I don't know if that's true.

Andrew Schulz 8:09 Well, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 8:10 It's just Adam is very smart, though.

Andrew Schulz 8:11 Yeah, no, I think that there's something to that. It's like, you want to win the culture war, and we've done that so well, right? Like, we had all these movies, these TV shows that, like, shared our culture around the world. And that culture was romantic. It's sexy.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Oh, my God.

Andrew Schulz 8:22 You go watch fucking Top Gun.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 8:24 You go watch Maverick, and you're just like, "Oh, my God."

Joe Rogan 8:27 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 8:27 "How amazing is it to be American?" Right?

Joe Rogan 8:29 How about when Rocky wins with-

Andrew Schulz 8:30 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 8:31 ... American shorts on?

Andrew Schulz 8:32 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Got American flag shorts on.

Andrew Schulz 8:33 The best. Away game, too.

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 8:37 You know what I mean? Like, over there, running-

Joe Rogan 8:39 The Russians cheered for him.

Andrew Schulz 8:39 ... in the snow, like, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:41 If we can change-

Andrew Schulz 8:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:43 ... you can change.

Andrew Schulz 8:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:45 We all changed. 30 years later, same fucking problem.

Andrew Schulz 8:48 Oh, same fucking problem.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah, bro, I remember when that problem went away.

Andrew Schulz 8:52 Wait, really?

Joe Rogan 8:52 I remember when the wall came down, we were so relaxed. It was amazing, because-

Andrew Schulz 8:56 Wait, wait, take me back to this. So, there was a time-

Joe Rogan 8:58 All right, see, when I was in high school-

Andrew Schulz 9:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:00 ... okay, in the 1980s, I went, I was in... I was a freshman in 1981. And back then, we were terrified of war with Russia. It was a terrifying fear of a nuclear war with the Soviet Union.

Andrew Schulz 9:12 And, and break this down to me. So, it's like, is it you're, you're watching the news, and they keep... Is there, like, fearmongering? Do you believe it? Does it feel-

Joe Rogan 9:19 100% fearmongering-

Andrew Schulz 9:19 ... like propagandist?

Joe Rogan 9:21 100%, there was fearmongering.

Andrew Schulz 9:22 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Um, there was, uh, a... There was de-... Look, it's always been if it bleeds, it leads-

Andrew Schulz 9:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:29 ... in the news.

Andrew Schulz 9:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:30 You know, we talk about how bad the news is today. But the reality is, like five o'clock news, when you get home from work, it was always the worst shit that happened. "Double homicide in-

Andrew Schulz 9:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:39 ... Brooklyn."

Andrew Schulz 9:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:40 It's always the worst shit of the day. And, and also out of perspective, 'cause it's the worst shit out of millions and millions of people, right? But the big one was always Russia.

Andrew Schulz 9:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:49 And you would see the Soviet Union, and, you know, you would see their leaders and you would see their army, and it was terrifying.

Andrew Schulz 9:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:57 They were the last great communist empire-

Andrew Schulz 10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:00 ... you know, before China.

Andrew Schulz 10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Right before China really blew up militarily.

Andrew Schulz 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Back then, we weren't worried about China. Everybody was worried about the Soviet Union.

Andrew Schulz 10:07 And you felt fear as a youth.

Joe Rogan 10:09 100%.

Andrew Schulz 10:09 And justified fear.

Joe Rogan 10:09 I talked to my wife, and she's younger than me, and she felt the same thing. And some of my other friends, uh, I asked them, they grew up in different parts of the country, and they were like, "Oh, yeah, everyone was scared, scared of the fucking Russians, man." Like, there was all those movies like Red Dawn, "When the Russians invade-

Andrew Schulz 10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 ... we kick their fucking ass."

Andrew Schulz 10:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:24 "Send them back home."

Andrew Schulz 10:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:26 You know, that was at, what everybody was afraid of. And then, the wall fell. And so, when the wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed-

Andrew Schulz 10:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:34 ... we have to realize, like, that was a monumental change in the world.

Andrew Schulz 10:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:39 People relaxed.

Andrew Schulz 10:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Like, we relaxed. I was like, "Thank God. There's no more war anymore."

Andrew Schulz 10:45 So, what year is this?

Joe Rogan 10:46 What was the year, was the, uh, collapse of the wall? What's, what year did they blow the... I want to say, I want to say '89, '90?

Andrew Schulz 10:56 So, then the '90s comes on, and then in the-

Joe Rogan 10:58 What year was it, Jamie?

Narrator 11:00 '89.

Joe Rogan 11:01 '89.

Andrew Schulz 11:01 '89.

Joe Rogan 11:01 '89, '89.

Andrew Schulz 11:01 Okay, so '90s.

Joe Rogan 11:02 So, the '90s come along, and no one's worried about war anymore.

Andrew Schulz 11:05 Yes. Is there a cultural apathy?

Joe Rogan 11:10 Well, there's a lot of-

Andrew Schulz 11:10 'Cause the '90s-

Joe Rogan 11:12 Bad things were made in the '90s. Some of the worst American cars that have ever existed were made during the '90s. We got real sloppy in the '90s. I look at...

Andrew Schulz 11:21 How-

Joe Rogan 11:21 Like, one of the things I look about with America, like, how in tune America is-

Andrew Schulz 11:24 Is, is automobiles-

Joe Rogan 11:24 ... what's their cars like? What's their cars like?

Andrew Schulz 11:27 So, space race produces-

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 11:29 ... some of the most beautiful cars out there.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Space race and psychedelic drugs.

Andrew Schulz 11:33 So, space race is-

Joe Rogan 11:34 There's a direct correlation.

Andrew Schulz 11:36 '60s?

Joe Rogan 11:36 Between... Yes.

Andrew Schulz 11:37 So, you have all the cars that are coming out-

Joe Rogan 11:38 '50s too.

Andrew Schulz 11:39 ... '50s, '60s-

Joe Rogan 11:40 'Cause '63 was when Kennedy says-

Andrew Schulz 11:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:42 ... we want to put the first man on the moon.

Andrew Schulz 11:44 So, they're using all that crazy space...... influence or, like, spaceship influence on the cars-

Joe Rogan 11:49 Not-

Andrew Schulz 11:49 ... and there's no restrictions, right? Like-

Joe Rogan 11:51 Not much. Not much space influence, really. Uh-

Andrew Schulz 11:54 I mean, some of these big, like... What is it? The big Cadillacs and stuff like that-

Joe Rogan 11:57 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 11:57 ... they look like a fucking spaceship, right?

Joe Rogan 11:58 They do. Yeah, the old ones.

Andrew Schulz 12:00 And there was no restrictions, right?

Joe Rogan 12:02 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 12:02 Like, you didn't have to go, "Okay, it has to have this much gas mileage." Or-

Joe Rogan 12:05 Right, none of that.

Andrew Schulz 12:06 You could just make-

Joe Rogan 12:06 No airbags.

Andrew Schulz 12:07 ... whatever the fuck you wanted to make.

Joe Rogan 12:08 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 12:08 And then... Okay, so that goes away and then psychedelics are '70s. I'm trying to think-

Joe Rogan 12:13 Well, psychedelics are '60s.

Andrew Schulz 12:15 Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan 12:15 And then the seven... In 1970, they pass this sweep, sweeping Schedule 1 Psychedelic Act that makes all those drugs Schedule 1 forbidden drugs. All the drugs that are nontoxic, like s- psilocybin, like things that your body makes, like dimethyltryptamine, uh, the... all those things become-

Andrew Schulz 12:35 That's DMT.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 12:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:36 All those things become Schedule 1.

Andrew Schulz 12:38 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 12:38 And then automobile design drops off a fucking cliff.

Andrew Schulz 12:42 (laughs) That's funny.

Joe Rogan 12:43 I mean, drops off a cliff.

Andrew Schulz 12:44 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 12:45 It... It's not totally cor... I mean, there's a correlation.

Andrew Schulz 12:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:49 It's ma... Maybe not totally the cause because it coincides with the, uh, gas crisis. So there's a gas crisis where there are like-

Andrew Schulz 12:55 Now you have to consider gas mileage in a car.

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... this gas shortage. Exactly.

Andrew Schulz 12:58 That's interesting. That's right. So '70s is... What happens? When do we d- when do we remove the gold standard from the dollar? That's...

Joe Rogan 13:07 That's a good question.

Andrew Schulz 13:08 '73 or something like that?

Joe Rogan 13:09 This is good tequila, dude.

Andrew Schulz 13:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:11 This is yours?

Andrew Schulz 13:11 Not bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:12 What's it called?

Andrew Schulz 13:13 Los Sundays.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Dude, it's very tasty.

Andrew Schulz 13:14 It's good, right? The repo is crazy.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah, it's very tasty.

Andrew Schulz 13:17 Yeah. Mm...

Joe Rogan 13:17 I was r- prepared for some fucking antifreeze.

Andrew Schulz 13:20 Nah, nah, nah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 But it's good.

Andrew Schulz 13:21 They're legit. (sniffs) But, yeah. Yeah, and then we get... What is it? There's a whole, like, petrodollar thing that comes on after that, where they have to-

Joe Rogan 13:27 I'm not aware of all that stuff. I'm not good at that stuff. Um...

Andrew Schulz 13:30 I think this is just where we make the deal where it's like, oil has to be sold in US dollars and now we have a backing for the dollar.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 13:37 When, for a while, we didn't, right? When we removed that gold standard. Who was it? Nixon who removed the gold standard? It was '71. '71? But, um... And now we're in that situation right now where, you know, most, you know, oil is sold in US dollars and then those countries that decide not to... if we're gonna get conspiratorial, those people who have decided maybe they won't sell it, you know, in US dollars, they have, uh, difficulty staying in power.

Joe Rogan 13:58 (clicks tongue) Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 13:59 Uh, two... Actually, two ways-

Joe Rogan 14:02 That's always been the game plan, right?

Andrew Schulz 14:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:05 FDR did it in '33.

Andrew Schulz 14:06 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:07 But then also Nixon did it. I'm not sure which.

Andrew Schulz 14:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Yeah. What does that mean then? How's that... We should have, like, a, a real economist work through this.

Andrew Schulz 14:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:15 We'll fuck this up. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 14:16 But also, we could just talk shit.

Joe Rogan 14:18 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 14:18 And it doesn't matter-

Joe Rogan 14:19 Yes, yes, yes.

Andrew Schulz 14:19 ... 'cause we're not experts, so we just spit nonsense.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Exactly.

Andrew Schulz 14:22 That's-

Joe Rogan 14:22 It's so funny that people get upset by that. Like-

Andrew Schulz 14:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 ... listen, this is a conversation that I would have whether or not cameras were on or not.

Andrew Schulz 14:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 14:28 So you just gotta be able-

Andrew Schulz 14:29 Don't take us seriously.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Yeah, you gotta be able to deal with that.

Andrew Schulz 14:30 That's it.

Joe Rogan 14:31 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 14:31 Don't take anything we say seriously. That's the-

Joe Rogan 14:32 Bro, especially us.

Andrew Schulz 14:34 Yeah. We're the... That was the-

Joe Rogan 14:35 We're, we're literal professional clowns.

Andrew Schulz 14:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 14:37 I was... I was, uh, I was, I was messaging you, I think, about, um, after we had Ben, Ben van Kirkuk on the pod, and, um, UnchartedX, the guy who does the pyramids.

Joe Rogan 14:46 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 14:47 And, um-

Joe Rogan 14:47 He's great.

Andrew Schulz 14:47 Uh, he's, he's great. And, uh, e- everybody was like, "Dude, it's so awesome Shane Gillis' dad showed up to the pod." And I was like, "What?" And I guess they think that he, that he looks like Shane.

Joe Rogan 14:58 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 14:58 An older version of Shane. (laughs) But what I loved about the pyramid conspiracy is that the stakes are so low, right?

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 15:04 There's no pedophilia.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Nothing.

Andrew Schulz 15:05 Nobody's dying.

Joe Rogan 15:06 Nothing.

Andrew Schulz 15:07 It's like, did it happen? Did it not happen?

Joe Rogan 15:09 It's just, how old is this civilization?

Andrew Schulz 15:11 That's it.

Joe Rogan 15:11 That's it.

Andrew Schulz 15:11 Is it 4,000? Is it 10,000?

Joe Rogan 15:12 But do you know that even with that... 'Cause Graham Hancock has a whole series-

Andrew Schulz 15:16 Oh, yeah. The- they call you racist and shit like that.

Joe Rogan 15:17 They call him a racist.

Andrew Schulz 15:18 I'm not saying that Black people didn't still do it. He- it's just older Black people.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Well, listen, 100% was Black people.

Andrew Schulz 15:23 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:23 It was 100% people in Africa.

Andrew Schulz 15:25 (laughs) Yeah. State the facts. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:25 The pyramids were 100% built by people who lived in Africa.

Andrew Schulz 15:29 Yes, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:30 That's it.

Andrew Schulz 15:30 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:31 And all Graham Hancock is saying-

Andrew Schulz 15:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:33 ... is that it's very likely that the entire world experienced a cataclysmic disaster-

Andrew Schulz 15:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:39 ... around 11,800-

Andrew Schulz 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 ... 12,000 years ago.

Andrew Schulz 15:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Somewhere in that range.

Andrew Schulz 15:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 And it knocked us back into the Stone Age.

Andrew Schulz 15:46 Dude, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:47 But those people who were around before that-

Andrew Schulz 15:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... were probably more sophisticated than we are.

Andrew Schulz 15:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:52 We just have a hard time imagining that.

Andrew Schulz 15:53 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 'Cause we don't have any evidence of it.

Andrew Schulz 15:56 And we just don't think that the, uh, execution matches up with the technology.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Well-

Andrew Schulz 16:00 If we found some tech-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 16:02 ... that would make sense, I think that we could go, "Okay, maybe this did happen 4,000 years ago," or whatever it is. But (clicks tongue) so far, the idea of, like, a chisel and a stone carving all these brock- blocks and then people just dragging them in the sand, I think it seems a little bit unreasonable.

Joe Rogan 16:16 There's some real problems with that.

Andrew Schulz 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 There's some real problems with the actual physical limitations-

Andrew Schulz 16:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:21 ... of the size of these obelisks-

Andrew Schulz 16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 ... where they're cutting 'em in the mountains and they have to move them 100s of miles.

Andrew Schulz 16:27 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:28 It's like, how are you getting them out of the mountains?

Andrew Schulz 16:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:29 Like, what are you d- what are you doing?

Andrew Schulz 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 This is like 2,000 tons.

Andrew Schulz 16:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:33 What the fuck are you saying?

Andrew Schulz 16:34 Yeah. You said at, uh... I think I was listening to the pod with you guys, and you were like, "If I was, if I was Elon Musk, I'd just build one." And I get that to a certain extent.

Joe Rogan 16:44 I don't know if you could. I really don't know if you could.

Andrew Schulz 16:48 I think we could. I think we could. I-

Joe Rogan 16:48 Do you know if you cut and place 10 stones a, a day-

Andrew Schulz 16:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:53 ... it would take you 664 years to make the pyramid? That might be wrong. It's... But there's 2,300,000 stones-

Andrew Schulz 17:02 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:02 ... in the Great Pyramid.

Andrew Schulz 17:03 Hmm. You need to go, man.

Joe Rogan 17:05 I know, I do.

Andrew Schulz 17:06 You need to go. It was, it was the craziest thing that I've seen that humans have made. Like, awe-inspiring.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Talkin'... This has been-

Andrew Schulz 17:15 It's just brilliant.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Talking to Randall Carlson, talking to Graham Hancock-

Andrew Schulz 17:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:18 ... I, I more and more think that we just have to use our imagination.

Andrew Schulz 17:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Because we're thinking of technology only as technology that we've implemented.

Andrew Schulz 17:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:30 Like these microphones-

Andrew Schulz 17:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 ... and cell phones and shit. But it's possible there was a completely different branch of technology-

Andrew Schulz 17:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:37 ... and they had figured out something that allowed them to manipulate enormous stones.

Andrew Schulz 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 We just haven't figured it out yet.

Andrew Schulz 17:42 I mean, just think about it like this. Like, imagine there was this cataclysm, right? Within...... a hundred years, like, this idea of wifi is nonexistent to people.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Nons-existent.

Andrew Schulz 17:52 It's a story that you tell.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Just a story.

Andrew Schulz 17:54 So wait, what do you mean the internet?

Joe Rogan 17:55 Wizardry.

Andrew Schulz 17:55 Yeah, exactly. It's just absurd. It doesn't exist. You can't hold onto it.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Right.

Andrew Schulz 17:58 So right now, we're looking for all these tools that you can hold onto and can build things with, and that makes sense to us. But we can't conceive of this, like, technology that existed (laughs) just in the air.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 18:08 How would you describe wifi to some dude that you met in an Amazonian tribe?

Joe Rogan 18:12 You wouldn't. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 18:14 You couldn't.

Joe Rogan 18:15 You couldn't.

Andrew Schulz 18:16 It's, it's the same way that, like, do you fuck with the ChatGPT thing at all?

Joe Rogan 18:20 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 18:20 Okay. I, I, I don't even know what to ask it because I'm not familiar enough with what AI can do. So-

Joe Rogan 18:29 Usually-

Andrew Schulz 18:29 ... I would still ask it, like, Google questions 'cause that's what I'm fluent in.

Joe Rogan 18:33 Yeah. I think you could-

Andrew Schulz 18:34 Does, does that make sense?

Joe Rogan 18:35 I think you can talk to ChatGPT-4 as if it's a god.

Andrew Schulz 18:40 So, so I would just... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:42 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 18:42 Oh, I got some questions. Uh-

Joe Rogan 18:44 Right? Am I close?

Narrator 18:45 Uh, sure.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Maybe ChatGBT-5?

Andrew Schulz 18:48 Can we chat GBT now?

Narrator 18:49 If you tell it, if you tell it it's a god, it'll definitely start talking to you-

Andrew Schulz 18:51 Wait, can we talk to it now?

Narrator 18:53 ... like it is.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Can... Yeah, you can talk to it. Hey, you know who invented wifi?

Andrew Schulz 18:56 Who?

Joe Rogan 18:57 Hedy Lamarr.

Andrew Schulz 18:58 Who's that?

Joe Rogan 18:58 The actress. That's true, right? It's not Bluetooth, right? It was wifi she invented. Is that correct? Hedy Lamarr, who was this gorgeous actress, uh, was a brilliant woman who, like, had a, a, quite a few inventions.

Narrator 19:13 Technically both.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 19:15 Stunning.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Although she died in 2000, Lamarr was inducted into the nash- National, National Inventors Hall of Fame for the development of her frequency hopping technology in 2014. She did it way before 2014 though. Uh, such achievement has led Lamarr to be dubbed the Mother of Wifi and other wireless communications like GPS and Bluetooth.

Andrew Schulz 19:33 Wait, and why did she invent this? For playback or something like that?

Joe Rogan 19:36 Do- I don't... I think she was a scientist before she was an actress. She was just hot and no one gave a fuck. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 19:42 I mean, she is stunning.

Joe Rogan 19:44 She was so hot. Yeah, she was so hot.

Andrew Schulz 19:46 Is that a function of our age?

Joe Rogan 19:48 Do you know Leah Lamar, the stand-up?

Andrew Schulz 19:50 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:51 That's her-

Andrew Schulz 19:51 That's her relative?

Joe Rogan 19:52 ... relative, yes.

Andrew Schulz 19:53 Wow!

Joe Rogan 19:53 'Cause I had this bit about Hedy Lamarr in my act.

Andrew Schulz 19:56 And, and Leah had to talk to you about it (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 19:57 And Leah came up to me and she goes... I think it's her-

Andrew Schulz 19:59 That's my grandma.

Joe Rogan 20:00 I think it's either her grandmother or her great-aunt, or something like that. It's one of those.

Andrew Schulz 20:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:04 But, yeah, that's why.

Andrew Schulz 20:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:06 You know, and Leah's beautiful too.

Andrew Schulz 20:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:07 It's like... But Hedy Lamarr was a smoke show-

Andrew Schulz 20:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 ... back when, you know, they were dragging women around by their hair back then, like this-

Andrew Schulz 20:14 Really?

Joe Rogan 20:15 ... Dark Ages. Yeah, that's like slapping women in the movies was standard.

Andrew Schulz 20:19 Yeah. There was a... Yeah, early Bond films-

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh, God.

Andrew Schulz 20:22 ... were wild, man.

Joe Rogan 20:24 You ever see Steve McQueen smack the shit out of... Who is it? Ally, uh... Who was the woman he did that movie with? Ally Sheedy? Is that who it was? I forget who it was, the actress, but-

Andrew Schulz 20:35 And she's in a scene and laughs-

Joe Rogan 20:36 There's a scene where he's beating her fucking ass. It's horrible.

Andrew Schulz 20:39 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:40 'Cause he's actually hitting her.

Andrew Schulz 20:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 And you could tell, like, she probably didn't know it was coming-

Andrew Schulz 20:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:44 ... and she's gotta be in the moment.

Andrew Schulz 20:46 Yeah.

Narrator 20:47 Ali MacGraw.

Andrew Schulz 20:48 Ali MacGraw.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Ali MacGraw. Yeah. It's horrible to watch, dude. Like, they get... But this was like how men behaved. But she-

Andrew Schulz 20:55 Oh, this is the woman. This is the actress. Did you watch the, uh, the... What is that? Uh, show about the making of The Godfather?

Joe Rogan 21:03 No, I didn't see that.

Andrew Schulz 21:04 What was in it?

Narrator 21:04 I know what you're talking about, but I didn't-

Andrew Schulz 21:05 Oh, it was brilliant. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Why is the perspective all fucked up?

Narrator 21:08 I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 21:10 The perspective, everyone's all narrow. (laughs) Everyone has narrow heads and shit. It's too bad 'cause she was a, a beautiful woman. Give me some volume.

Narrator 21:18 Oh, you don't have headphones on. (heavy metal music plays)

Andrew Schulz 21:20 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Oh, okay. It's okay. You don't have to give me-

Narrator 21:22 It actually plays. Smack My Bitch Up, by the way.

Andrew Schulz 21:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:23 This is horrible, man. Like, he's actually hitting her. Watch this. He's actually hitting her, and he's threatening to punch her in the face.

Andrew Schulz 21:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:30 And she starts crying, and he hits her again.

Andrew Schulz 21:33 How common-

Joe Rogan 21:33 Bro, this was normal back then.

Andrew Schulz 21:35 Yeah, I'm, uh, yeah, I'm wondering, like, how common when you were a kid was it to see-

Joe Rogan 21:38 It was normal.

Andrew Schulz 21:38 ... like, uh, a man hit a woman?

Joe Rogan 21:41 I think it was normal. I think for all of human history it was normal until people started watching it-

Andrew Schulz 21:47 And then what-

Joe Rogan 21:48 ... and going, "What the fuck?"

Andrew Schulz 21:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Until media came along-

Andrew Schulz 21:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 ... and you could see... I think people hit their kids. I think people hit their wives.

Andrew Schulz 21:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:55 I think people hit each other.

Andrew Schulz 21:56 What was the transition though?

Joe Rogan 21:57 Me- media.

Andrew Schulz 21:58 So-

Joe Rogan 21:59 'Cause people got to see it.

Andrew Schulz 22:00 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (laughs) . And you just got to see it. You didn't see what the kid did to get hit.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Right.

Andrew Schulz 22:05 You just see the kid getting hit, and you're like-

Joe Rogan 22:06 You see a kid get hit.

Andrew Schulz 22:06 ... "How could you?"

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 You don't have to hit kids.

Andrew Schulz 22:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 Like, you don't have to hit kids to teach 'em things.

Andrew Schulz 22:10 You would never discipline?

Joe Rogan 22:12 Never. You don't have to do that.

Andrew Schulz 22:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:15 They, they want you to love them.

Andrew Schulz 22:17 Okay, question-

Joe Rogan 22:18 They make mistakes. You gotta communicate with 'em.

Andrew Schulz 22:20 I have a question about that. What about when they are... How do you communicate with a child before he understands verbal commands, and how do you communicate right from wrong?

Joe Rogan 22:32 Well, I mean, before they understand verbal commands, you're, you're talking about babies, right?

Andrew Schulz 22:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:36 They don't real... I mean, they can't even walk yet. They start talk-

Andrew Schulz 22:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:39 My daughter started talking when she was nine months old.

Andrew Schulz 22:41 Was that early?

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah. She's walking then too. She's walking and talking very early.

Andrew Schulz 22:47 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:48 One of my daughters. Um, but the other one was, like, a year. But, uh, what I'm saying is, like, when their l- verbal commands or just learning things, like, they're babies.

Andrew Schulz 22:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:59 They can't do anything.

Andrew Schulz 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 They can't even run away from you.

Andrew Schulz 23:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Like, they're, they're little tiny babies.

Andrew Schulz 23:03 So at that age, you're not even-

Joe Rogan 23:03 Toddlers.

Andrew Schulz 23:04 ... teaching right from wrong?

Joe Rogan 23:05 You are.

Andrew Schulz 23:06 You're just kind of-

Joe Rogan 23:06 You are. You're... But you're talking to them. You know, you talk to them with, like, sweetness, but you always talk... I always try to talk to my children-

Andrew Schulz 23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 ... like they are, uh, an adult that I respect.

Andrew Schulz 23:16 Yeah. You're very sweet with, uh, the youth. Uh-

Joe Rogan 23:19 It's, like, it's... I think it's important.

Andrew Schulz 23:21 But it's a side of you that I don't know a lot of people see. Like, you had your niece at the club-

Joe Rogan 23:25 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 23:26 ... the other night and you were so sweet with her.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 23:28 And, uh, it was, it was a cool side to see. The club is just fantastic, man.

Joe Rogan 23:32 The club's wild, right?

Andrew Schulz 23:33 It was so cool.

Joe Rogan 23:34 It's a dream, dude.

Andrew Schulz 23:35 I know. And it's a-

Joe Rogan 23:35 It's a dream that I didn't even have. I didn't even have that dream. I didn't wanna own a club.

Andrew Schulz 23:38 Yeah, no comic goes into it going, "I wanna own a club."

Joe Rogan 23:41 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 23:42 And then you do it. But it was an interesting thing, like I had this weird sensation. I said to you yesterday, but I was just like, I'm, like, proud of you, but I don't mean that in like a, I don't know, patronizing way. Like-... I'm genuinely proud of you, but there's a specific thing, and I was thinking about this last night when I went back, about the club. And you kept talking about, like, this way of, like, funneling and nurturing talent. You're like, "Yeah, these are the comics that are gonna come up and we're gonna invest in these, like, local Texas comics. And then they're gonna go do these shows around the world, or around the country, and we're gonna send..." What was it? The, the, "This is the mothership, the Mothership Presents," and it's in all these, you know, comedy clubs around. And I thought of the club and I did both of the rooms, and the rooms do separate things for comedic growth that are, is really important.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:36 That little room teaches intimacy and connection.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:39 You can't just go up there and say words.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Right.

Andrew Schulz 24:41 You have to connect with them.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:43 Sometimes in big rooms you can just say words, and you don't have to connect because the connection is a little bit off.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:49 There's a little bit of a filter, so you can perform, which is another thing you have to learn. But the small rooms, which is a lot of the times the New York guys that we get really good at, is like, those laughs die quick, so you better tag up that joke. You better punch it up hard. You better make sure you're cooking. It, it is, there's like a pace that you can kind of build.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 25:07 So the small room, they get to learn how to really fucking put your foot on somebody.

Joe Rogan 25:11 You know another thing that comes out of the, the, these, uh, rooms on the East Coast-

Andrew Schulz 25:15 Mm.

Joe Rogan 25:15 ... is the cold weather. Cold weather makes people impatient. They don't wanna hear your bullshit.

Andrew Schulz 25:20 Hm. Hm. Hm. Hm. Hm.

Joe Rogan 25:20 It's freezing outside.

Andrew Schulz 25:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:21 They, they wanna go, go, go, go, go.

Andrew Schulz 25:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 Jesus fucking Christ. They get inside-

Andrew Schulz 25:25 Dude-

Joe Rogan 25:25 ... they don't wanna be, you be lollygagging.

Andrew Schulz 25:26 Mark was saying that same shit. He's like, if you even think about, like, like, music and, like, rap. Like, rap in New York, bar, bar, bar, bar, bar.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Yes! Yes!

Andrew Schulz 25:33 And in the South it's melodic and easy and chill.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Right.

Andrew Schulz 25:36 And beautiful for both reasons. But I thought about this more. And then I, and I did the big room first. And I'm not gonna lie, I was concerned about the big room.

Joe Rogan 25:44 You were concerned? What the fuck?

Andrew Schulz 25:45 'Cause you said to me something about the big room.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Murdered.

Andrew Schulz 25:47 You were like... No, it was fun, but you said to me, you were like, "It's the most honest room."

Joe Rogan 25:51 But it, it was... You're honestly hilarious.

Andrew Schulz 25:53 Yeah, but the-

Joe Rogan 25:54 So there's no issues.

Andrew Schulz 25:54 But the, that word honest is usually used when, like, "Let's have a honest conversation."

Joe Rogan 26:00 Right.

Andrew Schulz 26:00 It's never like-

Joe Rogan 26:01 Write a good thing.

Andrew Schulz 26:01 ... "You're beautiful." You know what I mean? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 26:03 You know what I mean? "Babe, can I be honest with you? You're beautiful." "You're gorgeous." Like-

Joe Rogan 26:07 "You're amazing."

Andrew Schulz 26:08 That's it. That's never... Right? So I was like, that's a interesting adjective to use to describe the room.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 26:13 And then I went up and it was, it was awesome. And there was an energy and there was an excitement, and, and the room was great. And it also offered this other side of standup that I think a lot of people that come up in the small rooms don't necessarily develop the skillset until they're on the road-

Joe Rogan 26:29 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 26:29 ... which is filling space. And it was like, you can learn to step on them, and that's how I came up in New York. I just, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then you go do 3,000 seats, how are you gonna fill that?

Joe Rogan 26:42 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 26:42 How are you gonna absorb that? And I was watching Ron White go up there, and that's a perfect example of just, like, kinetic energy. You're just watching him fuck. He's like, like, um, the Black Panther suit.

Joe Rogan 26:53 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 26:53 You know what I mean? Just, like, absorbing everything, absorbing everything-

Joe Rogan 26:55 Bro.

Andrew Schulz 26:55 ... and then push back.

Joe Rogan 26:56 That dude hits and holds punchlines better than anybody alive.

Andrew Schulz 27:01 Masterful. Masterful.

Joe Rogan 27:01 He hits them and then he has a big ass fucking smile on his face.

Andrew Schulz 27:04 Bro, you know, you know, him and, like, Tony Woods? You ever watch Tony Woods?

Joe Rogan 27:07 Oh, God, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 27:07 Those guys are masters at just absorb, absorb, absorb. And then, like, I don't know, I just feel like if, if that goal is, which what you said yesterday, is, like, really nurturing this talent and, like, creating comedians that can be great comedians, you've built a space that can do that.

Joe Rogan 27:24 Yeah, we built it specifically for that.

Andrew Schulz 27:26 Yeah, cool.

Joe Rogan 27:26 So instead of, like, making it so that there's big name headliners and you charge a lot of money for every ticket, instead of making money that way, what we decided to do was just don't think about that.

Andrew Schulz 27:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Just think about what's, like, what's the best place to develop comedy? And how do we develop comedy properly?

Andrew Schulz 27:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Well, one, you have to have open mics two nights a week. So we have open mics Sunday and Monday.

Andrew Schulz 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:49 And then we also have experimental shows where, like, crowd suggestions, they write them down on a piece of paper.

Andrew Schulz 27:54 Oh, the, uh, Bottom of the Barrel.

Joe Rogan 27:55 The Brian Simpson Show.

Andrew Schulz 27:55 Brian Simpson Show. Dude, that was...

Joe Rogan 27:57 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 27:57 And then you get bits from that. Like, the beauty of those shows-

Joe Rogan 28:01 You get bits. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 28:01 ... is, is I think there's, uh, uh, Jeremiah has one, the stand up on the spot too.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 28:06 Like, and it's like, you get bits from that because you're liberated.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 28:10 Like, the audience knows that you're just getting this idea.

Joe Rogan 28:12 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 28:13 And that you're rolling with it. And it's very conscious.

Joe Rogan 28:14 They used to have one out here called The Rift that was good too. It's a wheel.

Andrew Schulz 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 You spin a wheel and it would, it would roll and-

Andrew Schulz 28:19 Love.

Joe Rogan 28:19 ... and you'd, like, pick a card and it'll, like, land on a card.

Andrew Schulz 28:22 Love.

Joe Rogan 28:23 That was a good move too. It's like the whole idea is to be able to... You, you just... It's like a premise factory.

Andrew Schulz 28:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:29 It's like you're just, like, pumping out premises.

Andrew Schulz 28:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:32 And you never fucking know, man.

Andrew Schulz 28:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 28:34 I've had some bits that became, like, real good bits that I got out of doing those kind of shows.

Andrew Schulz 28:39 I mean, yeah, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say the one we were talking about yesterday-

Joe Rogan 28:42 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 28:42 ... so you could develop. But that, that's gonna be, that's gonna be one.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 28:46 Like, yeah, there's those feelings sometimes where you say a line and you're like, "Oh yeah, this is gonna be something."

Joe Rogan 28:51 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 28:52 (laughs) I, I really wanna tell everybody. They'll, they'll hear it eventually.

Joe Rogan 28:55 It's so fun! (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 28:55 It's a good fucking line. Do you wanna give them the one?

Joe Rogan 28:59 No, no, no, no.

Andrew Schulz 28:59 I'll give it to them. I know, I'll give it to them.

Joe Rogan 28:59 I gotta keep that one.

Andrew Schulz 29:01 But it was-

Joe Rogan 29:01 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 29:02 It was just... I, man, it was just cool, man. It was just, it was... There's an energy. There's an energy.

Joe Rogan 29:09 Well, everybody-

Andrew Schulz 29:10 Good for you.

Joe Rogan 29:10 ... is working towards the right thing, right?

Andrew Schulz 29:13 Can, can you talk about... I think you're gonna fuck the game up with the, the pay too. That's... Can we talk about that?

Joe Rogan 29:18 Let's not talk about that. We don't need to talk about that.

Andrew Schulz 29:20 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 29:20 People don't need to know what people are getting paid.

Andrew Schulz 29:23 You are a good man and you care about comedians.

Joe Rogan 29:26 It's just-

Andrew Schulz 29:26 I'll, I'll say that.

Joe Rogan 29:28 I haven't-

Andrew Schulz 29:28 You won't say it-

Joe Rogan 29:29 Well, thank you very much.

Andrew Schulz 29:29 ... but I will say it for you, and you are gonna fuck some people up with this shit.

Joe Rogan 29:33 Well, the whole idea is just to make the best possible place for standups to perform.

Andrew Schulz 29:38 What Joe's trying to say is-

Joe Rogan 29:39 That's the best possible place.

Andrew Schulz 29:40 ... the whole idea is for him to make no money.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Ah!

Andrew Schulz 29:42 (laughs) Is for comedians to make all the goddamn money.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Well, my idea is to make it so that there... Well, my only goal is for the club to break even.

Andrew Schulz 29:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:51 I'm like, I don't care if it makes money.

Andrew Schulz 29:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 I make a lot of money.

Andrew Schulz 29:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 I'm not worried about money.

Andrew Schulz 29:55 Do you?

Narrator 29:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 Yeah. I don't worry about money.

Andrew Schulz 29:57 And if you're doing okay...

Joe Rogan 29:57 I don't worry about money. But I worry about-

Andrew Schulz 29:58 I shot a bow and arrow inside today. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:01 (laughs) 40 yards.

Andrew Schulz 30:01 I know you're doing okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:04 But it's like, uh, so that's not what I'm interested in.

Andrew Schulz 30:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:07 What I'm interested in is, like, what would be the best case scenario? You know, I always talk about when we were kids, if someone said, "Oh, if you had all this money, what would you do?"

Andrew Schulz 30:16 What would you do?

Joe Rogan 30:16 "Ah, I'd make the best fucking comedy club."

Andrew Schulz 30:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:18 "And I'd set it up just for comedians."

Andrew Schulz 30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:21 So I'm like, "Why don't you just do that?"

Andrew Schulz 30:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:23 So I just did it.

Andrew Schulz 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 That was it.

Andrew Schulz 30:25 I mean, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 30:25 Yeah, it's awesome, and the staff's awesome.

Andrew Schulz 30:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 We've got the best people from The Comedy Store.

Andrew Schulz 30:30 I mean, I already told you I was gonna come down when, when you opened, and, uh, but I will say after that week, like, the energy that I saw from it, I was like, "Oh, wow, yeah, something's going on over here."

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah, something's going on.

Andrew Schulz 30:43 Something's go... But I, and I, and listen, I was also one of these people who were like, "Austin can't sustain a comedy club. There's not enough people."

Joe Rogan 30:48 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 30:48 I think I told you that.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Yeah, but-

Andrew Schulz 30:50 I was like, I, I didn't know if it was, it was possible. Now, granted, you have a pretty good batting average with the things you care about. Like, so far, I think you're batting, like, uh, 1,000% on the things that you want to do.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Well, if you really like something-

Andrew Schulz 31:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:03 ... and you do it, it's infectious.

Andrew Schulz 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:06 You know, if you really love what you do, it's infectious.

Andrew Schulz 31:08 But I think with Austin specifically, one of the things I didn't realize is that, like, comedy is the professional sport here. You don't have a basketball team.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 31:18 You don't have a football team. You have a college football team.

Joe Rogan 31:19 We've got a, a dope soccer team.

Andrew Schulz 31:20 You've got a soccer team, right?

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 31:22 But for people who are not gay, uh-

Joe Rogan 31:25 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 31:26 ... there, there is (laughs) , there's (laughs) , there, there's (laughs) , there's (laughs) , there's (laughs) , there's-

Joe Rogan 31:34 Oh, no.

Andrew Schulz 31:34 ... you don't run around kicking balls all day, that's what.

Joe Rogan 31:37 So you...

Andrew Schulz 31:37 Uh, but, uh, but comedy, I feel like, is the professional sport here, and the people who are in that ecosystem have become the professional athletes.

Joe Rogan 31:47 Well, for people who are comedy fans, imagine that this happens. Imagine if you're a comedy fan and the whole world shuts down.

Andrew Schulz 31:56 Mm.

Joe Rogan 31:56 But Texas doesn't.

Andrew Schulz 31:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:58 And then people are, like, looking at Texas, like, "What's go... How are they partying over there?"

Andrew Schulz 32:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:01 "What the fuck's going on over there?" And then some people come and visit, and then, you know, so- maybe some people know people who got sick and got better real quick.

Andrew Schulz 32:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:08 And maybe some people start getting skeptical.

Andrew Schulz 32:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:10 May- maybe some people start saying, "Well, I haven't been sick in 10 fucking years."

Andrew Schulz 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 "Am I the same as some fat guy-

Andrew Schulz 32:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:16 "... who smokes cigarettes? Like, what the fuck is going on here?" And you get a little upset.

Andrew Schulz 32:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 And then the government continues to keep you shut down.

Andrew Schulz 32:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:22 You go, "You know what? I'm gonna go look at Texas." And then you fly out here, and you convince 12 world-class comedians to move here too. Now, if I was a comedy fan-

Andrew Schulz 32:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:33 ... and I was living around here, I'd be like, "Holy shit."

Andrew Schulz 32:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:36 "What is happening?"

Andrew Schulz 32:37 That's true.

Joe Rogan 32:37 'Cause that's never happened before.

Andrew Schulz 32:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:39 All the scenes in our lifetime and in our predecessors' lifetimes were isolated. There was the Boston scene, which was, like, a scene that guys would get really good at, but all-

Andrew Schulz 32:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:49 The good ones would leave, the Burrs and the-

Andrew Schulz 32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 ... Nick DiPalos and the-

Andrew Schulz 32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:52 ... Meese and the-

Andrew Schulz 32:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:54 ... Dane Cooks, and everybody would leave.

Andrew Schulz 32:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:56 You know, Louis CKs, Patrices.

Andrew Schulz 32:59 Louis, Louis, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Bri- B- you know, they would all... Steven Wright, they'd all leave, right?

Andrew Schulz 33:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:02 But it was an amazing breeding ground.

Andrew Schulz 33:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:05 And then there was the New York scene, which was, like, a scene.

Andrew Schulz 33:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:08 And LA scene, which was, like, A-minus.

Andrew Schulz 33:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Like, New York was generally better quality of comics.

Andrew Schulz 33:15 'Cause there was no other opportunity for anything else.

Joe Rogan 33:16 Yeah, but LA had the occasional... Dom Irrera would stop in.

Andrew Schulz 33:21 Of course.

Joe Rogan 33:21 And, but there was only those scenes.

Andrew Schulz 33:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 San Francisco was always a little shaky.

Andrew Schulz 33:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:26 It never really had, like, a rock solid, big, booming scene.

Andrew Schulz 33:30 Mm.

Joe Rogan 33:30 But Austin does now. Like, it does.

Andrew Schulz 33:33 Isn't it great?

Joe Rogan 33:33 And it didn't before. It was a small scene before.

Andrew Schulz 33:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:36 It was a good scene. You know, like, (clears throat) like, um, some good comics came out of here. Brendan Walsh came out of here. You know, uh, like, Hicks, Kinison.

Andrew Schulz 33:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:44 They were in Houston and here, but that was a long time ago. That was the '80s.

Andrew Schulz 33:48 What do you, what do you think it is? Like, all my favorite comics are from Boston, and I've been trying to, like, understand why that is.

Joe Rogan 33:54 Because we grew up in a place where it's cold and no one gives a fuck and th- the women are very mean. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 34:00 Dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:02 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 34:02 No, no, there's something to that.

Joe Rogan 34:03 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 34:03 Like, when the women (laughs) also have a sense of humor...

Joe Rogan 34:07 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:08 ... your mediocre sense of humor isn't-

Joe Rogan 34:11 Not good enough.

Andrew Schulz 34:11 ... good enough.

Joe Rogan 34:12 Not good enough.

Andrew Schulz 34:12 You can't get laid with just regular jokes. The girls are already funny. Scotland's like this.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:16 Like, all my, like, aunts-

Joe Rogan 34:18 I bet Ireland too.

Andrew Schulz 34:18 ... and everything, aunts, it's like, they are ball busters.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:21 Like, I had to learn comedy as, like, a defense mechanism because my aunts were ruthless.

Joe Rogan 34:25 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 34:26 Ruthless. Just roasting my brother, me, and we were just sitting there like, "Okay, I gotta find a way to, like, handle this shit."

Joe Rogan 34:33 No, that's funny. That's funny.

Andrew Schulz 34:34 But, but yeah, I've always wondered that with Boston. And I asked a dude once, and I was like, "Why, why do you think it is?" And he said the same thing, but he also said, like, there's an arrogance to Boston too.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:45 Like, their... This, this is where the nation began. Like, there's a, um-

Joe Rogan 34:49 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 34:49 ... what is that, uh, the, the, they're like the aristocrats. They're like the original aristocrats. Like, a guy who's, like, roofing in Boston still is like, "Yeah, but I'm from Boston." Like, and I wonder if you need that arrogance to also say the things that you want to say. Sometimes you could be crippled by working class environments, where you're like, "I- I'm not any better than anybody in this town."

Joe Rogan 35:10 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 35:11 "I'm not any better than just my friends. I shouldn't go on stage and say that. Like, who do I think I am to go talk in front of these people?" You need a little bit of bravado to even go after it.

Joe Rogan 35:22 I think it's... There's so many variables and so many factors, but one of the factors is you need, like, a group of guys that are dedicated to comedy and are really getting after it, and they set the bar for everybody else.

Andrew Schulz 35:36 Hm.

Joe Rogan 35:37 That was what was happening in Boston. It was Barry Cremins. I remember Barry Cremins became my friend, but I was fucking terrified of that dude.

Andrew Schulz 35:44 Why?

Joe Rogan 35:44 'Cause he was the standard bearer. He would not let any hacks in. He would be angry at you if, if you were a hack. He was very well versed politically. You couldn't have some bullshit argument conversation with Barry Cremins. He would destroy you. He was ruthless, and he was really fucking funny, and he was just like... He had great political material.

Andrew Schulz 36:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:07 Great social material. He was a working class guy.

Andrew Schulz 36:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 And he set the standard. He was the fucking man in Boston. D- Bro, I was scared of him.

Andrew Schulz 36:15 Hm.

Joe Rogan 36:15 I wanted to avoid him, like, "Rah!" I'd fucking go around, 'cause I thought I s- I was an open mic-er. I sucked.

Andrew Schulz 36:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 And then when Barry Cremins became my friend and told me he thought I was really funny, I was like, "Oh!"

Andrew Schulz 36:25 Best day.

Joe Rogan 36:26 "Oh, thank God."

Andrew Schulz 36:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Thank God 'cause he was the guy. He was like the... He was smarter than everybody else.... that's Barry. He was smarter than everybody else and-

Andrew Schulz 36:35 And he had the highest standard of comedy.

Joe Rogan 36:37 ... he had the highest standard of comedy-

Andrew Schulz 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 ... and he was a mentor for the rest of the group.

Andrew Schulz 36:41 So, you, you see guys that pop up like that in comedy, like, uh, Keith Robbins, uh, Robinson is another one. Do you know Keith?

Joe Rogan 36:47 Oh, yeah, he's ruthless.

Andrew Schulz 36:48 And he is-

Joe Rogan 36:48 Ruthless.

Andrew Schulz 36:49 ... he's, he is ruthless, he has the highest standard of comedy, he's absolutely hilarious, and he genuinely loves helping and putting people on.

Joe Rogan 36:58 100%.

Andrew Schulz 36:59 And it's rare that you get that concoction.

Joe Rogan 37:01 He's beautiful.

Andrew Schulz 37:02 He is. Like, I, I, I don't know if people even know the stories of him, like, driving fucking Kev up from Philly and driving a bunch of guys up from Philly, and being like, "Hey, you need to come up here. You need to be in New York, 'cause people are gonna find about, out about you, and you're fucking great."

Joe Rogan 37:16 That's beautiful.

Andrew Schulz 37:17 And, dude, he's had, uh, two strokes.

Joe Rogan 37:20 I know.

Andrew Schulz 37:21 And he's funnier.

Joe Rogan 37:22 I heard he's hilarious, 'cause he's just like going for it-

Andrew Schulz 37:25 Bro.

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... 'cause it's like he's dying.

Andrew Schulz 37:26 He don't get... I wish I could say some of this shit-

Joe Rogan 37:28 I know. I know some of it.

Andrew Schulz 37:30 ... that they... Off, off-

Joe Rogan 37:30 It was in the-

Andrew Schulz 37:31 Bro.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Yeah, it was in the Mitzi's the other day, everybody was quoting shit-

Andrew Schulz 37:33 Bro.

Joe Rogan 37:33 ... and I was holding my sides.

Andrew Schulz 37:35 It is-

Joe Rogan 37:35 Wild.

Andrew Schulz 37:37 And you can't refute it, because he's not just saying watch it to be wild. He's coming from this place where it's like, "I had these strokes."

Joe Rogan 37:43 Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 37:45 Dude.

Joe Rogan 37:46 And killing.

Andrew Schulz 37:48 I told him it was funny.

Joe Rogan 37:49 Killing.

Andrew Schulz 37:49 I, I, I told him. I was, "I think they stroked you up." Like, I think, I think, I think it's like-

Joe Rogan 37:53 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 37:53 ... you know, it's a benefit in a way.

Joe Rogan 37:54 Isn't it funny that it's almost like you need something like that to be truly free?

Andrew Schulz 37:58 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Sometimes.

Andrew Schulz 38:00 Mm. Mm.

Joe Rogan 38:01 I did a theater in Miami once, and Wanda, Wanda Sykes-

Andrew Schulz 38:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 38:06 ... and, uh, Keith were on before me.

Andrew Schulz 38:08 Hm.

Joe Rogan 38:09 And they both left me notes. I was waving to them on the way in, they were waving on the way, "What's up? What's up?" They both left me notes. Wanda was the sweetest, nicest note.

Andrew Schulz 38:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:18 "It was great to see you. I hope you have a great set." You know-

Andrew Schulz 38:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:22 "... much love."

Andrew Schulz 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Keith Robinson says, "I hope you have the worst set of your fucking life."

Andrew Schulz 38:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:26 "I hope you, you bomb in front of your stupid fans." (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 38:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:34 Dude-

Andrew Schulz 38:35 I-

Joe Rogan 38:35 ... I saved that. I have that napkin. I still have that napkin.

Andrew Schulz 38:38 I, uh, you know, it's, it's interesting. It's like-

Joe Rogan 38:40 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 38:41 ... you're making me think about comedy scenes and, like, what makes it good. You need a standard-bearer.

Joe Rogan 38:45 It helps.

Andrew Schulz 38:46 Y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 38:47 And, and what-

Joe Rogan 38:47 And, and I mean, you have-

Andrew Schulz 38:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:48 ... mul- uh, multiple standard-bearers would be ideal.

Andrew Schulz 38:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Um, but you d- you definitely need at least one person. You need someone who people will listen to.

Andrew Schulz 38:58 That they respect-

Joe Rogan 38:59 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 38:59 ... but maybe isn't in the stratosphere. Like, maybe they're not, you know, a fucking superstar, megastar movie star, but just as purely respected because of their standard.

Joe Rogan 39:10 That helps. That, that way-

Andrew Schulz 39:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:11 ... there's less jealousy.

Andrew Schulz 39:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Here's the other thing about it is, though, that, like, um, in Barry's time, there really... Comedy was new. We have really had to have, have to understand our art form in a historical perspective. What do you want on the end of that one?

Andrew Schulz 39:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:25 In a historical perspective?

Andrew Schulz 39:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Because our art form really didn't even branch off into what you and I do until Lenny Bruce.

Andrew Schulz 39:35 Hm.

Joe Rogan 39:36 So, we're... What is Lenny Bruce's era? Is like late '50s, early '60s, and into... Like, when did Lenny die? He die-... When he died, the end of Lenny's career... And by the way, I'm a giant Lenny Bruce fan. I mean, if you go walk into my club, one of the first things you see is, is a big-ass picture of Lenny Bruce.

Andrew Schulz 39:58 Well-

Joe Rogan 39:58 So, he died in 1966. And you have to understand, like, the last couple years of his life-

Andrew Schulz 40:05 Hm.

Joe Rogan 40:06 ... were completely entangled in legal battles.

Andrew Schulz 40:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:10 So, like, the Lenny Bruce that we're talking about... So, like, late '50s, this guy in-... literally invents an art form, because it just didn't really exist that way. I mean, Mark Twain did some spoken word stuff where he read some of his books, and he was apparently very funny. And p- people talk about Mark... Maybe Mark Twain was, like, the first standup.

Andrew Schulz 40:30 Hm.

Joe Rogan 40:30 The first guy to do standup.

Andrew Schulz 40:31 Hm.

Joe Rogan 40:31 But then there was guys who just did jokes, and they would, like, tell... Like two Jews walk into a bar, those kind of jokes.

Andrew Schulz 40:37 Like the Borschtel comedians-

Joe Rogan 40:37 Borschtel comedians.

Andrew Schulz 40:38 ... that were coming up. Yeah, the Catskills, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 And they would s- they would all steal from each other. They would all have-

Andrew Schulz 40:41 It, it was like house jokes.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 40:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:43 House jokes. Lot of house jokes.

Andrew Schulz 40:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:44 It was a lot of really dumb shit.

Andrew Schulz 40:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:47 And then... But, you know, funny. Good times, you know? Whatever.

Andrew Schulz 40:50 And there was guys who could deliver-

Joe Rogan 40:52 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 40:52 ... in a m- an amazing way.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Buddy Hackett.

Andrew Schulz 40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:55 There was some of those guys that were killers.

Andrew Schulz 40:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:57 They were killers.

Andrew Schulz 40:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Very funny guys. But it's just like, what were they working with?

Andrew Schulz 41:00 Very different than we-

Joe Rogan 41:01 They were working with stone tools.

Andrew Schulz 41:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Okay?

Andrew Schulz 41:03 Yeah, yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:03 And so then along comes Lenny Bruce, and Lenny Bruce starts-

Andrew Schulz 41:07 He just breaks the mold.

Joe Rogan 41:08 He starts looking at society-

Andrew Schulz 41:10 He starts talking.

Joe Rogan 41:10 ... he starts looking at culture, and-

Andrew Schulz 41:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:12 ... and, and, and sex and racism and drugs.

Andrew Schulz 41:15 Dude, the r- the race stuff that he has holds up today.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Oh. Today?

Andrew Schulz 41:18 There are jokes that he's told.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Today?

Andrew Schulz 41:20 There's a joke, 'cause I think he would go on a road with a Black dude who was like a jazz musician that I think would open for him, and he would talk about the friendship, and he'd talk about white people trying to ingratiate themselves to his Black friend.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Ugh.

Andrew Schulz 41:31 And, like, the awkwardness that white people have.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Hm.

Andrew Schulz 41:35 And, like, the, the, the, the, the examples he's using, like, maybe today we'd be like are kind of hacky, but, like, for the first, for the first person to ever say it, to, like, see white people trying to win over a Black person be like-

Joe Rogan 41:46 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 41:47 ... "So, uh, we have some watermelon at the party. Would you like some watermelon?" Like-

Joe Rogan 41:50 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 41:50 ... that's a line that he has in it-

Joe Rogan 41:52 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 41:52 ... and he's just like... But he's observing whites at a time where whites are probably integrating with Blacks way more often, and then not really knowing how to do it, and that awkwardness. And then you got this guy Lenny Bruce, who just fucking likes this guy. Not that he's Black, he just likes this guy. He enjoys the music, he enjoys who he is-

Joe Rogan 42:08 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 42:08 ... and he's observing other people that just are tr-... the only thing they can see him as is a Black dude.

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 42:12 They can't see past that.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Right.

Andrew Schulz 42:14 So, the only way that they can relate is what they know about Black people (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 42:17 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 42:18 And now you see that same joke. You see the white people awkward around Black people. That starts there.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Yeah. Well, Richard took that, like, Pryor did-

Andrew Schulz 42:27 Hm.

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... that after Lenny did that.

Andrew Schulz 42:29 Hm.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Pryor was, like, th- the better version of Lenny. What Pryor was, was like what Lenny had started-

Andrew Schulz 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:37 ... Pryor was like...... yeah, I got this.

Andrew Schulz 42:40 I got it.

Joe Rogan 42:40 I got it. I'm gonna take this to a new place.

Andrew Schulz 42:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

Joe Rogan 42:42 I get- I'm gonna take this to a new place.

Andrew Schulz 42:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:43 I'm gonna make it way funnier.

Andrew Schulz 42:45 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:45 And what Pryor did, it was, like, self-deprecating.

Andrew Schulz 42:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:48 It was way funnier.

Andrew Schulz 42:50 It was bleeding.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Well, Lenny, Lenny was very funny, but we have to take it in the context of the times. If we were back in the Lenny Bruce days, if we- if you and I were us right now-

Andrew Schulz 42:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:59 ... and we were sitting at our ages right now, and we're, we're just like regular guys, and we're sitting in the back of the room in 1957, and we see Lenny go up and, and break down culture and society-

Andrew Schulz 43:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 ... we'd be like, "What the fuck, man?"

Andrew Schulz 43:12 "What is going on?" Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:12 We'd be dying laughing.

Andrew Schulz 43:14 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 He had this joke about gays. Such a great joke.

Andrew Schulz 43:17 This is he-

Joe Rogan 43:18 He-

Andrew Schulz 43:18 The '60s?

Joe Rogan 43:20 '50s, probably.

Andrew Schulz 43:21 '50s.

Joe Rogan 43:21 But, I mean, died in '63, is that what it was?

Andrew Schulz 43:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:23 '66? What was it?

Andrew Schulz 43:24 He died in '66, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 '66.

Andrew Schulz 43:26 So is- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:27 So maybe early '60s.

Andrew Schulz 43:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:29 So he has this joke, and he goes, "Dig, the, you know, they, they make homosexuality illegal, so what do they do? They arrest you, and they put you in jail with a bunch of men who want to have sex with you." (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 43:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:42 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 43:42 They're testing you.

Joe Rogan 43:44 He, he broke that shit down-

Andrew Schulz 43:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:45 ... in like '58.

Andrew Schulz 43:47 What a punishment. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:48 And bro, it would murder. People would be like, "Oh my God-"

Andrew Schulz 43:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:51 "... what is happening?"

Andrew Schulz 43:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 And then people thinking about, like, "Everybody always knows that dudes get fucked in jail."

Andrew Schulz 43:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:57 Like, that's, that's how-

Andrew Schulz 43:58 Genius.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 43:59 He's a genius.

Joe Rogan 43:59 So it's like back then, saying that though, on stage when everybody else is like-

Andrew Schulz 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 ... two Jews walk into a bar.

Andrew Schulz 44:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:06 And Lenny was like breaking things down.

Andrew Schulz 44:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Talking about language and the culture and music and-

Andrew Schulz 44:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 ... and life and the, the romance.

Andrew Schulz 44:17 That's interesting you say Twain, that you talk about Twain.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 44:20 And yeah, you do see it with the, the writers that have like a comedic twist in their ability to kind of like analyze culture, but not turning it into stand-up.

Joe Rogan 44:28 They could, though. It's like a lot of them really could.

Andrew Schulz 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:32 It just- they would have to just learn how to deliver it-

Andrew Schulz 44:34 Well, that's the other thing.

Joe Rogan 44:34 ... which is not the hardest part, 'cause the writing-

Andrew Schulz 44:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:36 ... is like some of the hardest part.

Andrew Schulz 44:37 Yeah, but sometimes, like I've noticed this with writers, that they're so prolific on the page, but when they try to communicate it, it's a different art form almost. It's like the ideas are there, they just don't understand like how to hold attention the same way.

Joe Rogan 44:48 Well, you know what it is? They're out of shape.

Andrew Schulz 44:51 Mm.

Joe Rogan 44:51 It's like when the- yeah, I think it's a thing-

Andrew Schulz 44:54 It's like playing pick-up basketball out there.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Because the more stand-up I do, the looser I get on stage.

Andrew Schulz 44:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:57 The looser I get on stage, the more fun I have on stage, the more fun I have on stage, the more I'm inventing new stuff.

Andrew Schulz 45:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:02 The more sets you do, the better you get.

Andrew Schulz 45:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:03 It's just, it's just real numbers.

Andrew Schulz 45:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:05 And if you're a guy who's like this awkward fellow who sits in front of a ThinkPad all day-

Andrew Schulz 45:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:10 ... and he's just like writing on Microsoft Word, writing very funny things.

Andrew Schulz 45:13 Now here's 300 people. This is gonna be a good one.

Joe Rogan 45:15 And, and you know, occasionally, you talk to your wife like, "Oh, um, what do you, what do you want to do for dinner?" You know, like, like you're awkward.

Andrew Schulz 45:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:22 You're in- you're very brilliant, but you're alone in front of your computer.

Andrew Schulz 45:26 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:26 And then all of a sudden you have to go in front of people and deliver-

Andrew Schulz 45:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:31 ... these ideas.

Andrew Schulz 45:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:32 It's- you have to learn how the, the delivery thing, you have to put in the reps.

Andrew Schulz 45:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 You have got to... Uh, it's a lot of reps.

Andrew Schulz 45:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:39 It seems way more simple than it is.

Andrew Schulz 45:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:41 It seems when you- a person's up there, like I was watching you last night.

Andrew Schulz 45:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:45 It's like he's just talking.

Andrew Schulz 45:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:47 Like, why is it so funny?

Andrew Schulz 45:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:49 Like, that's how people look at it, like, "Why is this guy so funny?"

Andrew Schulz 45:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Like, he's just talking. I talk too.

Andrew Schulz 45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:53 I could do that.

Andrew Schulz 45:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 45:55 I know how to talk.

Andrew Schulz 45:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Uh, but they don't understand.

Andrew Schulz 45:58 They don't understand it.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Like you're, you're, you're just doing this magic show for them.

Andrew Schulz 46:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:02 And they, they think it's just talking.

Andrew Schulz 46:04 Isn't it, isn't it wild that like, it doesn't start as just talking, and ideally we can break it down to the point where that's what it feels like.

Joe Rogan 46:13 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 46:13 Like it, it, it starts in our head. There's like a premise, and there's a line, or there's a statement-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 46:18 ... or there's like, like e- I'm, now I'm thinking of that joke that we won't say that you have.

Joe Rogan 46:22 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 46:22 And it's just like, that's just a statement, that's a feeling.

Joe Rogan 46:25 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 46:25 You know?

Joe Rogan 46:25 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 46:26 I was talking to, I was talking to my, my boy Mark, and, and I was just like, "Uh, let's just, let's just like riff, but don't tell me a single joke. Tell me what you feel."

Joe Rogan 46:36 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 46:36 "Tell me what is causing anxiety or anger. Don't try to make me laugh. Just tell me what you feel." And every time, that is the joke.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 46:46 The, the punchlines will come and they'll insert themselves. But that, you're, you're not going, "How can I make this situation funny?" That is how you fucking feel.

Joe Rogan 46:54 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 46:54 And that's why we laughed at it.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 46:55 That's why you'll say it in front of a group of comics, and we all laugh. Not 'cause you're trying to misdirect us, not 'cause you're trying to trick us. That's how you feel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:04 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 47:04 And we're all going, "Yeah, Joe kind of does feel like that."

Joe Rogan 47:07 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 47:07 "I might feel like that a little bit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:10 (laughs) Depends on the lady. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 47:12 Now you're giving it away.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Shh.

Andrew Schulz 47:15 But yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 47:16 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 47:16 I don't know. That's to me like, that's the beauty of like a great joke or like a great premise, is the one where it's like you almost stumble into it.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 47:24 You're like emotionally engaged in it so much, you're not even trying to laugh.

Joe Rogan 47:28 You almost have to think of it like musical notes.

Andrew Schulz 47:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Like there's all kinds of musical notes. They're all good.

Andrew Schulz 47:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:35 But they just serve different purposes, and to make a great song, you gotta put them all together where it flows.

Andrew Schulz 47:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:42 And that's like part of what we're doing too.

Andrew Schulz 47:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:45 It's like you're gonna have those jokes, it's like that's how you feel.

Andrew Schulz 47:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:49 And then you're gonna have some jokes where you take people down a left turn, like, "Whoops."

Andrew Schulz 47:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:53 "And what about that?"

Andrew Schulz 47:53 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:54 And they're like, "No!"

Andrew Schulz 47:55 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 You know, like that's-

Andrew Schulz 47:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:57 ... that's a part of it too. It's like there's a lot of stuff-

Andrew Schulz 48:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:00 ... going on when you're doing comedy.

Andrew Schulz 48:01 I almost, uh, yeah, I almost think I memorize. Like people go, "How do you memorize all the words?" And it's like, "I don't think memorize the words, I think I memorize the song."

Joe Rogan 48:10 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:11 And I-

Joe Rogan 48:11 How it sounds.

Andrew Schulz 48:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:12 When you're doing it.

Andrew Schulz 48:12 And like how it feels and the rhythm of it. And I think that's why like sometimes when you like adjust to different room sizes, like your rhythm can-

Joe Rogan 48:19 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 48:19 ... get off.

Joe Rogan 48:20 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:20 And you go, you go, "Oh, I forgot that section." Yeah, because the song is different.

Joe Rogan 48:25 (clicks tongue) Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:25 The song is slower, the song is faster.

Joe Rogan 48:27 Yes. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:27 But I memorized the song in this, uh, what was it? Pace or syncopation or whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:33 This rhythm. Now it's in a different rhythm. I need to memorize it in this different rhythm.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yeah. Arena timing.

Andrew Schulz 48:39 That's oh, that's a perfect example.

Joe Rogan 48:40 That's a real thing.

Andrew Schulz 48:40 Well, I've never done arenas, but like-

Joe Rogan 48:42 Well, I want you to.

Andrew Schulz 48:42 Yeah. So, so-

Joe Rogan 48:43 We'll, we'll do them together.

Andrew Schulz 48:44 Let's do it.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Oh, let's fucking go, Andrew.

Andrew Schulz 48:46 I mean, what a crazy...

Joe Rogan 48:47 Let's go. Let's do it.

Andrew Schulz 48:47 That would be a crazy-

Joe Rogan 48:48 Let's fucking go.

Andrew Schulz 48:50 ... time you could go.

Joe Rogan 48:50 Come on, man. Well, um. Mm.

Andrew Schulz 48:52 So what happens? Is it, is it slowed?

Joe Rogan 48:54 Well, it's been fun.

Andrew Schulz 48:54 Is it like-

Joe Rogan 48:54 There's so many people.

Andrew Schulz 48:55 So do you find yourself-

Joe Rogan 48:56 So many people, like some punchlines, you have to hang onto it for a little bit.

Andrew Schulz 48:59 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 48:59 But also, like, facial expressions are bigger.

Andrew Schulz 49:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 49:02 You know? And then there's giant screens everywhere where your face is, where people can see it and we're all together. And when you're in the round, the round is the shit-

Andrew Schulz 49:10 Are you actively turning?

Joe Rogan 49:11 ... because it's intimate. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 49:12 So, so you're going, "Okay, I face this way a lot."

Joe Rogan 49:15 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 49:15 "Let me give energy to the-"

Joe Rogan 49:16 No, no, no, no, no, just go.

Andrew Schulz 49:17 It just flows?

Joe Rogan 49:18 Just go. No thinking like that. But it's just like you're in the round, so it's actually intimate.

Andrew Schulz 49:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:23 It's like as intimate as you can get, like, 16,000 people stuffed in together.

Andrew Schulz 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Because they're all looking at the people that are on the other side-

Andrew Schulz 49:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:31 ... and we're all together. It's not like a wall and a stage.

Andrew Schulz 49:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:35 It's way more intimate.

Andrew Schulz 49:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:37 It's like double intimate, 'cause you're surrounded. It feels good. It's fun. It's my favorite way to do shows.

Andrew Schulz 49:44 Really?

Joe Rogan 49:44 Yes. My favorite way.

Andrew Schulz 49:46 Huh.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Yeah. It's my favorite way.

Andrew Schulz 49:47 Huh.

Joe Rogan 49:48 I mean, you can't do f- 16,000 people all the time. It's not good for your comedy.

Andrew Schulz 49:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:54 What happens is (clears throat) you're not gonna invent new lines. You're going to stick to your script.

Andrew Schulz 50:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:01 You're going to stick to the bits.

Andrew Schulz 50:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:02 There's too many people.

Andrew Schulz 50:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:03 It's too big. It's a show.

Andrew Schulz 50:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Right?

Andrew Schulz 50:06 I agree with that.

Joe Rogan 50:06 It's a show. It's a different thing.

Andrew Schulz 50:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:08 When you were doing little boy, that little tiny room that we have-

Andrew Schulz 50:10 That's where we play. That's where we find something.

Joe Rogan 50:12 That room is-

Andrew Schulz 50:12 That's where we-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Th- these are your friends.

Andrew Schulz 50:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:15 We're fucking around. We're having a couple of drinks. We're talking some shit.

Andrew Schulz 50:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 They want you-

Andrew Schulz 50:18 You can touch everybody in there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 They want you to talk some shit.

Andrew Schulz 50:21 Explore.

Joe Rogan 50:21 They want you to explore.

Andrew Schulz 50:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:23 And that's, and-

Andrew Schulz 50:24 Be naughty.

Joe Rogan 50:24 ... the real comedy fans know, because-

Andrew Schulz 50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:26 ... of these kind of conversations, that that's how we come up with bits.

Andrew Schulz 50:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:30 That's where premises emerge.

Andrew Schulz 50:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:31 The, the creativity is this fucking... You can't grab it.

Andrew Schulz 50:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:37 You don't know what it is.

Andrew Schulz 50:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:38 You don't know how it comes or how it doesn't come.

Andrew Schulz 50:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 But you gotta respect it.

Andrew Schulz 50:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:42 You know? That's why that, uh, you know, War of Art book is so good, man.

Andrew Schulz 50:46 What's The War of Art by?

Joe Rogan 50:46 Steven Pressfield's book. Steven Pressfield, he's been on the podcast a couple times. He wrote this book called The War of Art, and it's all about resistance and how resistance keeps you from achieving y- your best possible self. It's like your ego and your fears and it's all combined and it creates procrastination.

Andrew Schulz 51:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:09 And he gives you the tools in this book-

Andrew Schulz 51:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:11 ... to try to be a professional, to, to realize like, a professional shows up and a professional works.

Andrew Schulz 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Like, and this is what we do.

Andrew Schulz 51:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:19 And if you put yourself on that schedule, the muse will come to you and those ideas will enter into your mind.

Andrew Schulz 51:25 So, it's just putting in the work every single day.

Joe Rogan 51:27 You have to respect it.

Andrew Schulz 51:29 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:29 You know, you can't just think it's a gift you get whenever you wanna go and access it.

Andrew Schulz 51:35 Bro, that... That's like a lesson I learned with this, you know, trying to write new stuff since I put out the last special. I was telling you this. It was like, it's like really hard. It's like really hard for me. And I hadn't experienced that before in standup. And, uh, and, but I was just, I, I just didn't wanna like do a different version of jokes I'd already done.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Right.

Andrew Schulz 51:57 And I feel like sometimes that happens. Like-

Joe Rogan 52:00 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 52:00 It's not necessarily bad, like, but I've done it for sure, but I just really wanted the comedy to reflect what I'd gone through in life and how I'd changed in life. And that was fucking hard, man, to like sit there, think, develop new ways to attack these things that I haven't experienced before, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:20 Yeah, your standup is basically like a snapshot of who you are at-

Andrew Schulz 52:26 In that moment.

Joe Rogan 52:27 ... at that, at that year.

Andrew Schulz 52:28 But like s-

Joe Rogan 52:28 Like if I look at a special that I did from like 2009, I'm a very different person.

Andrew Schulz 52:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:33 If I look at a special I did from 2016, I'm a very different person.

Andrew Schulz 52:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Like y- and so, like it's just this snapshot. And then you have to kind of figure out who you are now.

Andrew Schulz 52:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:42 And all your new mar- material has to be, who are you now?

Andrew Schulz 52:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:45 You know?

Andrew Schulz 52:45 And i- if you're honest-

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 52:46 ... you acknowledge who you are now.

Joe Rogan 52:48 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 52:48 And I think some people, or some comics, they don't, and then they get into that world where they kind of almost look like they're doing a, an impression of themselves.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 52:58 And the audience can tell.

Joe Rogan 52:59 100%.

Andrew Schulz 53:00 And maybe they don't know consciously what's happening, but they can feel it, like-

Joe Rogan 53:04 They don't feel like you're connecting with them.

Andrew Schulz 53:05 Yeah, they don't feel-

Joe Rogan 53:06 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 53:06 ... because they're like, oh, you're doing this version. And I never, like I always valued... You know, Patrice was always kind of like my North Star, and I always valued like the authenticity. Like what-

Joe Rogan 53:15 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 53:15 ... is the thing? Like, how do I fucking feel? And yeah, it was, there was so much transition. Like I, I mean, I did so many bits early on about like chicks being annoying, and then like I got an amazing wife that I love.

Joe Rogan 53:29 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 53:29 And I'm like, "That ain't that annoying." You know what I mean? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:32 Right, right, right.

Andrew Schulz 53:32 Like, get a coffee in the morning. Like, there's always snacks in the pantry. Like, it's not that annoying, right? Like, so I'm like, I, I have to be pure about what I'm going through. And that was, that was, that was tricky, man. It was... It like really feels good to be at a point where like, okay, now I've got some stuff that I'm like excited about, that I wanna talk about.

Joe Rogan 53:51 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 53:51 And like, and I feel hungry. But for a while it was hard, man.

Joe Rogan 53:54 What is your writing process like?

Andrew Schulz 53:56 Now I've become way more diligent. So like before I would just go up and riff on stage, and now it's harder for me to get up. I make sure I do about... I go three nights a week and I gotta do at least four spots each of those nights, so I can get to about 12, which I think is like a good amount of time to kind of like go. And then off nights I have to also work.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 54:19 So I just have to talk. I either talk to myself, I'll call up one of my buddies and I'll be like, "Hey, what are you working on? Hey, let's go. Just tell me what your things are." Then I'll tell ideas that I have and like try to flesh out how I feel about it. 'Cause I can't write the bit until I feel, know how I feel.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Mm. So you just-

Andrew Schulz 54:35 And sometimes it takes me a little bit to feel.

Joe Rogan 54:37 So your process is like just a lot of thinking about ideas-

Andrew Schulz 54:40 And talking.

Joe Rogan 54:41 ... talking to people about stuff.

Andrew Schulz 54:42 Just like, we have to just talk, like ge- getting... And I think that's why I enjoy podcasting. It's like, it's getting to how I feel about a thing. And you say a bunch of things that you fucking... that are funny and absurd and crazy and salacious on the way.

Joe Rogan 54:56 For sure.

Andrew Schulz 54:56 But what is my core feeling about this issue?

Joe Rogan 54:59 Right.

Andrew Schulz 54:59 And once I'm at that core, then everything emanates from the core. But if I can't get to the core, I just have some misdirection that like I don't even believe in.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Right.

Andrew Schulz 55:07 Once I get to the fucking, the meat and potatoes, it flows. Everything just kind of like...

Joe Rogan 55:13 Yeah. You find that zone. You find that area where you're supposed to exist in.

Andrew Schulz 55:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 55:19 Yeah, I can write from it...... much easier. I can riff from it much easier. 'Cause I feel like I'm being honest with the audience. Like, every line is honest. It might not be funny yet. But you know I'm being honest. You know that I'm telling you how I feel about this thing. And I think that they're, they're, they'll attach themselves to that. And then if I can catch you or I stumble across something, it, it can hit. But I need to know what I feel about it, and I can't write about things that I don't care. Like the idea of like being like a, and God bless them, but like the late night writers, where you just like, they throw you some shit and you gotta write a joke about it.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 55:53 My brain doesn't work like that.

Joe Rogan 55:55 That's like living off oatmeal for the rest of your life.

Andrew Schulz 56:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:01 That's like, you can stay alive, Andrew.

Andrew Schulz 56:04 There's, there's-

Joe Rogan 56:04 But you're gonna eat plain oatmeal-

Andrew Schulz 56:05 There's some guys fucking listening right now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:07 ... plain oatmeal for the rest of your life.

Andrew Schulz 56:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:11 That's what that is.

Andrew Schulz 56:12 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta care, Joe.

Joe Rogan 56:16 No, of course.

Andrew Schulz 56:16 I gotta really fucking care.

Joe Rogan 56:17 And that's 'cause you care about what you do, and that's why you're so funny.

Andrew Schulz 56:20 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:20 It's uh, that y- we all have to care about what we do. And you have to d- I think everybody does it in different ways, you know.

Andrew Schulz 56:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 I'm always interested in the, in the writing process.

Andrew Schulz 56:30 Yeah. Why? What is yours? You just go, right? Like, you'll just sit in front of the laptop and just write, stream of conscious, right?

Joe Rogan 56:35 I think that's important. I don't think it's necessary, 'cause some of the greats don't do it.

Andrew Schulz 56:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:41 But I r- if I really, if I was gonna teach a class on creating standup...

Andrew Schulz 56:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:48 (clears throat) I mean, ev- look, it's not like I'm the best standup in the world, so I'm not like I'm the best qualified to do this. But if I was given this task to do that...

Andrew Schulz 56:56 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:57 ... I would say, "You should do all those things."

Andrew Schulz 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Like, there's nothing preclude- there's nothing that keeps you from writing.

Andrew Schulz 57:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Like, why don't you write?

Andrew Schulz 57:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 And if you w- like, you like to think about things and talk about things, but what about, what about sitting and talking to yourself about a thing?

Andrew Schulz 57:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:14 And writing it. And there's a very specific mindset that takes place for me when I'm in front of the keyboard, and I'm writing an essay on something. I can type, so I don't have to look at the keys, which is nice. I don't type great, but I, I type okay.

Andrew Schulz 57:30 Enough, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 I type enough. And so, I can just zone in on the page, and I'm thinking about every word much longer than it takes to type that word.

Andrew Schulz 57:41 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Or, uh, uh, rather, it takes, it, it, like, it's j- Like, if I had to write something out...

Andrew Schulz 57:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:47 If you're writing out a word...

Andrew Schulz 57:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:50 It's so much more time to write it out than it is just think about that word.

Andrew Schulz 57:53 So, now you're chewing on it while you're writing it out.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yeah, so as you're writing each individual word, you're pausing in time.

Andrew Schulz 58:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:00 And you're like, you're in a time lapse, and you get to consider each and every possible way you would say something from that word.

Andrew Schulz 58:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:09 While you're writing that word.

Andrew Schulz 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 And there's a physical task of doing that with your keys-

Andrew Schulz 58:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 ... and your fingers that makes you concentrate.

Andrew Schulz 58:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Because it fires up your synapses and makes you think-

Andrew Schulz 58:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:22 ... that you're doing this with your fingers.

Andrew Schulz 58:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:23 It's kind of exciting.

Andrew Schulz 58:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Especially if you have a tactile keyboard. See, like I use, I use-

Andrew Schulz 58:29 (laughs) You hear it.

Joe Rogan 58:30 I w- I, I use, uh, a keyboard that has a lot of keystrokes.

Andrew Schulz 58:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:34 It's like I've got to have uh, room.

Andrew Schulz 58:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 I got, that's why I like, I, I work with a ThinkPad.

Andrew Schulz 58:40 Yeah. Now, do you-

Joe Rogan 58:41 'Cause they like clickety, clickety, click, so you feel it in your fingers. So, it's this tactile thing.

Andrew Schulz 58:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:46 And then the words are up there.

Andrew Schulz 58:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:47 And I'm thinking about the words.

Andrew Schulz 58:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:49 And then other things come to me.

Andrew Schulz 58:51 Do you find that you... (laughs) You speak differently when you write?

Joe Rogan 58:56 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 58:57 Than when you talk to a person?

Joe Rogan 58:58 Right. Definitely. Well, you definitely d- It's not natural-

Andrew Schulz 59:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:02 ... when you write. It's not clean. But what you do is, you take these bullet points...

Andrew Schulz 59:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:09 ... from these various things that you wrote out and just say them how you would say them.

Andrew Schulz 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Say them how you would say them when you're right there.

Andrew Schulz 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 So, it's like you can't rely on writing to create great jokes.

Andrew Schulz 59:23 But the ideas can come from that.

Joe Rogan 59:24 But the ideas. It's a farm for ideas.

Andrew Schulz 59:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 That's what it is.

Andrew Schulz 59:28 I need to have that moment. For me, it's not sitting down, but it's like, okay, there's a weird meditative state that I can get to if I'm running, and I have a song that I know well enough...

Joe Rogan 59:39 Hmm.

Andrew Schulz 59:39 ... where I can tap into my subconscious. But not too well where the song bores me.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Right.

Andrew Schulz 59:45 And I get into a weird state. And sometimes when I'm just like running like, I hate it, and it's awful, whatever. And then sometimes I get into the state where I can like lock in and like create these other scenarios, and I kind of like exist in these scenarios. And I imagine this is what like, like the super elite runners probably can access this for 26 miles or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Right.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:02 Like I can't do that, and I can't tap in every time. But when I can tap into that state, I can like i- create these like worlds that I exist in.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Hmm.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:09 And sometimes, these lines come up, these ideas comes up, these curiosity comes up. There's like a part of my brain that now can flourish, because other parts of my brain are accessed.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 So, it, it like hits when you're breathing heavy, when you start sweating?

Andrew Schulz 1:00:25 Yeah, it's, it, it's like, it's like my brain is occupied by like maintaining this pace, which is probably pretty fast, but not so fast where I can't concentrate. But that's occupied there. And then there, another part of my brain is occupied by the music. And sometimes I'll just replay the same song over and over again.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:40 But there's a state-

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 I love doing that.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:41 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:41 Something happens, and it's like I don't know what the fuck it is. And I wish I could like lock in on it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Hmm.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:47 You know, like, and just exist in that for three hours a day or something. But when I can, thoughts become really clear and ideas become really clear. And sometimes they're fucking shit, and then sometimes they're like really interesting. And there's- and I can replay these scenarios and think of like, an interesting comeback or like this really self-deprecating thing that happened, and it's just like, I'll literally hop off the treadmill, sweaty as fuck, dripping all over my phone, write the idea, and then get back on. But I don't know if that's a good strategy for doing it, but these are the different scenarios to access that part of the brain that I almost feel like is always working. Like, I don't know, I've always thought like comedy exists, and then you just kind of find it. I don't think I've created any comedy. I think it's there, and I just kind of like, uh, uh, uh, this is stupid, but like, you know, like, um, with the, what is it? The, uh, constellations. It's like the stars are there, but somebody looked at them and they're like, "Ooh, that kinda looks like a belt."Ooh, that kinda looks like a dipper.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Right.

Andrew Schulz 1:01:39 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Yes, I know what you're saying.

Andrew Schulz 1:01:40 That's kind of what I think with a lot of these ideas. It's like, the, all the, all the things are there and you're just kinda, like, connecting these little dots.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Well, I think the more you look at it like that, the more it becomes available to you too.

Andrew Schulz 1:01:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 Because I think one of the, th- one of the traps of the human mind is that when you get good at something, your ego inflates. And you think-

Andrew Schulz 1:02:03 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 ... you, it's about you-

Andrew Schulz 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 ... and you're just this special thing-

Andrew Schulz 1:02:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 ... and you're better than everybody.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 And there's a way that you could do it that nobody could fuck with-

Andrew Schulz 1:02:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 ... and, you know, and there's a thing that it's like a, a normal thing that people do.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 And I think that that i- that invades your creative process.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:21 Yeah. You create an expectation for yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:24 And I'll, I'll be honest, that's why I took some time away. It was like, I just wanted to create. Like, I don't let any friends come see me. I don't let anybody come see me. Like, when I'm in creation mode, it's so weird, because obviously the people will come out, but, like, I, I just, I, I want some time for me.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:41 You know? And I just, I don't wanna be there thinking, like, "Ugh, God, is my wife gonna be upset that I say this thing?" Or-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:02:47 Because you, that can-

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:49 ... that, that stops the tag-

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Uh-huh.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:51 ... that might be too far or might be too wild, or it might be perfect, or, like, "Okay, I can find-"

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 Right.

Andrew Schulz 1:02:56 Like, I wanna create and not have a fucking care in the world, you know? I, I don't know. You said something to me r- th- ye- yesterday that was like, "You don't wanna be any more famous."

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:03:07 And it was like (laughs) , like, it's a wild thing to say, but I get it 'cause it's like the more that comes with it, maybe the more restriction you feel.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Well, you're more, you're s- more susceptible to criticism. You're more susceptible to people being upset with you. You're more susceptible to people thinking that it's not fair, 'cause it's not fair.

Andrew Schulz 1:03:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 There's no fair. That's what's weird about life.

Andrew Schulz 1:03:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 It's one of the weirdest things. Like, it doesn't necessarily make sense what becomes successful and what's not and who's making money and who's not. It's not about how much effort you're putting in.

Andrew Schulz 1:03:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 It's not about that.

Andrew Schulz 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 It's, like, it's a weird game we're all playing.

Andrew Schulz 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 You know? And the more successful you get, and they're like, "Would you wanna be the richest guy in the world?" Like, what the fuck-

Andrew Schulz 1:03:56 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 ... is that?

Andrew Schulz 1:03:57 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Is he living any better than number 39? (laughs) They leave 39 alone. (laughs) 39, 39 is probably worth five billion. That dude's chilling.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:07 What are they saying about th-

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 And they don't say jack shit about that guy.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:10 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 That guy's eating filet mignon-

Andrew Schulz 1:04:11 He's totally-

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 ... and drinking Dom Pérignon.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:13 Same jets.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:14 Same hotels.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 And having a great ass time.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:16 Great time. Same Instagram models.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 Exactly the same shit.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:20 Like, with no screen-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Nothing's different. Same pure cocaine (laughs) straight outta Colombia. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:04:26 (laughs) Like, no pr-

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 They're doing the, they're doing, they're flaking it off with razor blades.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:30 Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Like, the purest fucking brick cocaine that, the shit that fu- fucking Peter Frampton used to snort in the '70s.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:38 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 (laughs) Peter, I don't-

Andrew Schulz 1:04:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... know if you did coke. I'm, I'm sorry. I should've said somebody else.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:44 You did.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Who would be a good reference?

Andrew Schulz 1:04:45 You did.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Who, he might have.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:47 You did.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Who would be-

Andrew Schulz 1:04:47 In the good shit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 ... a good reference who definitely-

Andrew Schulz 1:04:50 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 ... snorted coke in the '70s?

Andrew Schulz 1:04:51 In the '70s? Fucking John Travolta?

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Oh, yeah. He must have.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:55 Off of some guy's back?

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Whoa. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:04:57 (laughs) . It was a massage. It was a massage.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 S- s- snorting coke and getting massages.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:08 I tried, I tried coke once.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Yeah?

Andrew Schulz 1:05:11 And it lives up to the hype.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Does it?

Andrew Schulz 1:05:14 Bro, have you ever, have you ever done coke?

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 No, I have not. The singer-songwriter's career of intense highs and devastating deceptions is explored in a revealing new memoir. Peter Frampton: I was kept high. If I needed cocaine, he made sure I had it. Hey, bitch, that's your fault.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 I don't like that.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:32 Oh, he forced me.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 I don't like that kinda talk.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:34 He forced me.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 I don't like that kinda talk. I was kept-

Andrew Schulz 1:05:36 Breathe out your mouth.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 ... high. No, no, no.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Unless they were holding you down and making you snort it off that stripper's tits, then there's no fucking way-

Andrew Schulz 1:05:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 ... that you can say that they did that to you, sir.

Andrew Schulz 1:05:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Right?

Andrew Schulz 1:05:54 Yeah, I wonder if they gotta look back and, like, they don't wanna take responsibility for what they did.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 Well, it must be awful to, like, have had everything ripped away from you because you became a cocaine addict-

Andrew Schulz 1:06:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 ... or because you, you, you got into heroin.

Andrew Schulz 1:06:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Imagine just like you have a functional existence, everything is great, you're, you're doing a thing, whether it's rock and roll music or whatever it is, and then all of a sudden things start going well.

Andrew Schulz 1:06:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 You're doing shows and you just like to get high and you're just getting high a lot and you're just, like, doing show. Like, "I need a bump before I go up." And wow.

Andrew Schulz 1:06:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 And next thing you know you're getting high every night and you're just wrecked and your immune system is wrecked and your body's wrecked and you're always-

Andrew Schulz 1:06:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 ... like, implementing chemicals. It's always alcohol to sleep and maybe Ambien and cocaine to wake up and-

Andrew Schulz 1:06:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 You know, you're living three, four years to every one year. Every one year, you've got three or four years of damage 'cause you're going so hard. (laughs) And then, you know, you don't, you don't wanna think it was just you.

Andrew Schulz 1:06:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 And it's not just you because it's addictive. It's like a real, it's a problem. It's like saying, telling someone they have the flu, like, "Eh, well, you shouldn't be sick." Like, okay, that's not helping them.

Andrew Schulz 1:07:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 They, they are addicted. They're, like, physically addicted to coke. And we wanna categorize that as, like, being a mental weakness or we wanna categorize that as being you're totally helpless and that the addiction, uh, has overwhelmed you. I suspect it's a combination of the two things.

Andrew Schulz 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 I suspect that's why-

Andrew Schulz 1:07:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 ... there's such polarizing camps between the idea that it's not your fault at all and it's 100% your fault and you need to fucking just be stronger.

Andrew Schulz 1:07:39 It's also the hardest thing to understand if you've never done it.... like, all these people that have no empathy for the people that get caught up in addiction have just probably never tried heroin.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Yeah. They never tried it.

Andrew Schulz 1:07:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 They don't know what they're talking about. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:07:51 Have you