CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 0:56
Post’s weight-loss reset: cutting soda, touring routines, and “reward” drinks
Joe opens by complimenting Post Malone’s transformation and they break down how he dropped major weight mostly by cutting soda and adjusting habits on the road. They riff on energy drinks, moderation, and why liquid sugar hits the body so hard.
- •Post’s weight change (around 240 to ~185) and what drove it
- •Cutting soda as the biggest lever; “every now and then” treats
- •Why high-sugar drinks are metabolically unnatural vs fruit
- •Caffeine talk: Monster/Celsius/guaraná cravings and moderation
- 0:56 – 6:06
Tour life highs: Texas shows, Brazil memories, and why South American crowds feel different
The conversation shifts to touring—back-to-back Dallas dates, Joe heading to the Houston show, and reminiscing about Brazil. Post describes South American crowds as unusually joyful and unified compared to odd, hard-to-read corporate gigs.
- •Texas heat + touring schedule; Joe buying tickets for the show
- •Brazil food/drinks and guaraná soda nostalgia
- •South American crowds: high energy, low negativity, strong music culture
- •Corporate/private gigs: big checks but awkward, disengaged audiences
- 6:06 – 8:51
From Stone Temple Pilots to Queens of the Stone Age: musicianship, identity, and AI’s “robot songs”
Joe shares a story about Stone Temple Pilots crushing a private party like it was a stadium, leading into a discussion of great live performance. They pivot into Queens of the Stone Age admiration and then to AI-generated music—what it means for authenticity and fan connection.
- •STP at Dana White’s party: pro-level effort regardless of crowd context
- •QOTSA’s distinct sound and songwriting craft
- •Post’s concern: AI songs getting “too good,” deepfakes, personalization via prompts
- •Joe’s counterpoint: provenance matters—people value human-made art
- 8:51 – 13:15
Gold mines and ancient bone warehouses: the Alaska “Boneyard” rabbit hole
Joe tells Post about an Alaska gold miner with massive collections of mammoth bones and other Ice Age remains uncovered from permafrost. They riff on bizarre finds, unknown mummified creatures, and how the excavation process reveals hidden history.
- •The “Boneyard” land: mammoth bones, cave bear heads, steppe bison remains
- •Permafrost excavation: hosing cliffs, bones surfacing over years
- •Speculation and humor around unidentified mummified finds
- •Clarifying timelines: mammoths vs dinosaurs and Ice Age dating
- 13:15 – 17:37
Sharks older than trees, mushroom “intentions,” and the Stoned Ape theory
They bounce from evolutionary trivia (sharks predating trees) into biology and fungi. Joe explains Terence McKenna’s Stoned Ape theory: psychedelics as a factor in human cognition, language, and social bonding—plus a practical dive into mycelium and mushroom growth.
- •Timeline shocker: sharks predating trees; life’s variety across eras
- •Mushrooms vs plants: respiration, mycelium networks, fruiting bodies
- •Stoned Ape theory: low doses for visual acuity, bonding, libido, language
- •Legality paradox: naturally occurring substances vs federal prohibition
- 17:37 – 26:24
Ergot, Salem, and the weird side-quests: EGOTs, Wolverine Oscars, and talent envy
Joe connects fungus chemistry to history—ergot contamination and the theory it fueled Salem witch trial hysteria. The thread detours into comedy about awards (EGOT), celebrity talent (Hugh Jackman, Jamie Foxx), and how people perceive extraordinary performers.
- •Ergot as an LSD-like fungus in grains; Salem witch trials hypothesis
- •Mass poisoning events and “tripping” as a historical driver of panic
- •EGOT explained and riffing on movie awards vs pop culture impact
- •Admiring multi-talented entertainers and the ‘how are they that good?’ question
- 26:24 – 35:23
Why Austin/Texas feels better than LA: noise, crowd energy, and finding balance (plus dad life)
Post asks about Joe’s move to Texas, and both compare city intensity to quieter living. They discuss how dense environments affect anxiety and social behavior, then broaden into work-life balance, avoiding hustle burnout, and Post’s experience becoming a father.
- •Leaving LA: “tension,” density, helicopters, and constant stimulation
- •City crowds and social disengagement vs small-town friendliness
- •The hustle trap: success vs enjoying life; building real balance
- •Fatherhood perspective shift and keeping a “kid forever” mindset
- 35:23 – 40:46
Vacation stress, Maldives shark fishing story, and the ethics of catch-and-release
They joke about “militant itineraries” that ruin vacations, then shift into fishing—Post accidentally landing a nine-foot nurse shark in the Maldives. Joe questions the morality of catch-and-release, contrasts it with fly fishing practices, and unpacks why fishing can feel meditative.
- •Why strict schedules defeat the purpose of vacations
- •Post’s accidental nurse shark catch and releasing it safely
- •Catch-and-release ethics: fun vs risking an animal’s life
- •Fly fishing culture: barbless hooks, technique, and “gentleman’s dance” vibes
- 40:46 – 44:25
Radio as a lost centerpiece: KISS FM memories, legacy media, and old car stereo theft culture
They reminisce about when radio stations and DJs shaped identity, then connect that to modern streaming and the decline of “legacy” media. The nostalgia continues into physical media transitions (cassette/CD) and the era of removable stereos and rampant theft.
- •How radio used to be a social anchor; favorite stations and DJs
- •KISS FM ubiquity and the ‘franchise’ question
- •Streaming vs legacy media: why habits changed
- •Old-school car audio: removable faceplates, Blaupunkt/Alpine, theft markets
- 44:25 – 51:57
Lockpicking rabbit hole, ‘security theater,’ and online culture: Among Us, Metaverse, and taxes
Post introduces the Lockpick Lawyer and they watch how easily locks can be defeated, prompting a broader talk about security and human behavior. The conversation pivots into online culture: Among Us, Metaverse being dominated by kids, and a side tangent on Puerto Rico tax incentives.
- •Lockpick Lawyer fascination: bypassing locks, bump keys, specialized tools
- •What ‘security’ meant before locks; rituals and deterrence humor
- •Among Us explained; how trends get memed and abandoned
- •Metaverse reality check: low adoption, kid-heavy spaces, odd age verification
- •Puerto Rico residency/tax talk and how influencers use it
- 51:57 – 1:00:05
Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz, combat-sports endurance, and VR boxing to gaming addiction (Diablo/Quake)
They break down the Jake Paul–Nate Diaz fight, why MMA would change everything, and how brutal endurance really is. From there, Joe pitches VR boxing as a workout, and they segue into gaming—Post’s Diablo obsession and Joe’s history as a Quake shooter junkie.
- •Fight recap: size, experience, and why MMA rules alter tactics
- •Boxing cardio reality: pacing across 10 rounds; why it’s exhausting
- •VR boxing as fitness: movement tracking, dodging, and immersion
- •Post’s gaming routine: Diablo’s dopamine loop and long sessions
- •Joe’s Quake era: map control, item timing, and ‘FPS chess’
- 1:00:05 – 1:12:45
Bud Light backlash, long-form conversation as an antidote, and social media’s brain-hijack
Joe and Post address culture-war outrage cycles (Bud Light) and why people fixate on trivial battles. That opens into a defense of long-form talk, distrust in performative news delivery, and how “likes” (and removing dislikes) reshape behavior and perception.
- •Outrage economics: why controversies spread and stick
- •Why long-form podcasts feel ‘real’ compared to filtered media
- •Performative news tone and distrust in institutions
- •Social media feedback loops: likes as dopamine wiring; dislikes removal implications
- 1:12:45 – 1:24:22
Weed depersonalization, shrooms as relief, and protecting kids from being monetized
Post describes a lasting depersonalization feeling triggered after a single bad joint, and Joe discusses how high-THC can provoke psychotic breaks in vulnerable people. They contrast that with Post’s positive experiences with mushrooms—especially for depression—and discuss refusing to post children for “social currency.”
- •Post’s depersonalization: ‘watching life happen’ after a bad THC experience
- •Risks of unknown chain-of-custody and ultra-potent dispensary joints
- •Shrooms: Joe argues for legalization; Post credits them with lifting depression
- •Psychedelic therapy context: PTSD discussions and research references (MAPS)
- •Parenting/privacy: letting children choose their online presence; critique of ‘kid monetization’
- 1:24:22 – 1:37:58
NPC livestreams, ‘creepypasta’ lore, and MKUltra: LSD experiments, Manson, and propaganda distrust
They react to the TikTok NPC livestream phenomenon and what it says about attention and monetization. That segues into internet horror lore (Russian Sleep Experiment) and then into real history—MKUltra, LSD testing on soldiers and civilians, and theories about narrative control and institutional manipulation.
- •NPC TikTok streams: scripted reactions for tips, and why it works
- •Creepypasta explained; separating viral lore from reality
- •MKUltra overview: CIA experiments with LSD and behavioral manipulation
- •British soldier LSD footage and the problem of ‘military usefulness’
- •Manson/Chaos discussion: possible links, narrative shaping, and antiwar discrediting
- •How algorithms and media ecosystems reinforce belief bubbles
- 1:37:58 – 1:48:14
Cycles of collapse and cosmic mysteries: Atlantis, Younger Dryas, pyramids, and ‘what happened on Mars?’
Joe and Post zoom out to civilization-scale thinking—Rome, repeating patterns, and whether America can decline like past empires. They explore Atlantis and the Younger Dryas impact theory, then jump to Mars: xenon/nuclear-reactor claims, the “face,” and NASA image processing debates.
- •History repeating: how societies drift toward tyranny and decline
- •Atlantis as a ‘real place’ possibility and the Younger Dryas impact framing
- •Pyramids/Sphinx debate: time-scale controversy and why it sparks backlash
- •Mars theories: xenon/isotopes, ‘natural reactor’ claims, and nuclear-war speculation
- •NASA image processing vs deception: how raw data becomes public imagery
- 1:48:14 – 4:41:31
Nature’s power, archery as meditation, and the return of ‘no rules’ fighting (plus early UFC glove history)
They trade weather stories that underline how small humans are compared to natural forces, then pivot after a break into archery. Joe explains compound-bow mechanics, rangefinding, ethics of shot distance, and why archery is mentally cleansing—before ending on modern underground fight trends and how early UFC evolved gloves.
- •Cloud weight trivia and extreme storms/monsoons/hail as ‘humility lessons’
- •Archery basics: recurve vs compound, feel vs calculation, repeatable form
- •Rangefinders, arrow arc clearance, and why some long shots are unethical
- •Archery as mindfulness: total focus and stress reset
- •Underground ‘no rules’ fights online: biting/eye-gouging controversy
- •Early UFC gear evolution: why gloves appeared and what they change
