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Joe Rogan Experience #2018 - Post Malone

Post Malone is a rapper, singer, songwriter, and producer. His latest album, "Austin," is available now.  www.postmalone.com

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  1. 0:000:56

    Post’s weight-loss reset: cutting soda, touring routines, and “reward” drinks

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yo, bro, what's happening, my brother?

    4. PM

      I'm hanging out.

    5. JR

      Dude, you look fucking great. I told you that when I saw you-

    6. PM

      Thank you, sir.

    7. JR

      ... but I wanna tell you that on air. You look fucking great, man.

    8. PM

      Thank you, sir.

    9. JR

      You said you lost 60...

    10. PM

      Like 6... I was like 240, now I'm like 185.

    11. JR

      That's amazing.

    12. PM

      Yes, sir.

    13. JR

      And you did it just by cutting out soda-

    14. PM

      Yeah. I don't drink.

    15. JR

      ... and a lot of shows.

    16. PM

      Yeah, like shows, soda. Soda's so bad.

    17. JR

      It's so bad. (laughs)

    18. PM

      It's so bad. But it's so good. I'll have a soda. I'm a bad boy and I'll have a Monster Energy.

    19. JR

      Every now and then.

    20. PM

      But Celsius is so good too. Have you had one of those?

    21. JR

      Yeah, I have. They're good.

    22. PM

      It's so good.

    23. JR

      Yeah. The, the key to those things is just every now and then. That's the thing.

    24. PM

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      You know, every now and then you reward yourself with a Coca-Cola.

    26. PM

      Yes, sir.

    27. JR

      You're like, "Ah, this is nice."

    28. PM

      Oh, man, and these hot Texas days.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  2. 0:566:06

    Tour life highs: Texas shows, Brazil memories, and why South American crowds feel different

    1. PM

      I've been here, we did Dallas two days yesterday, back-to-back. Yesterday and the night before.

    2. JR

      I'm coming to see you tomorrow night.

    3. PM

      Let's go.

    4. JR

      I'm coming to Houston.

    5. PM

      Let's go.

    6. JR

      Let's go.

    7. PM

      Did we... Did you buy tickets?

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. PM

      Aw, Joe, you didn't have to do that.

    10. JR

      Ah, man.

    11. PM

      'Cause if you said, if you said, "We hooked you up." I would've said, like, "What the hell? I didn't hook you up."

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. PM

      But since you said you bought 'em, thank you so much for coming to Rogan.

    14. JR

      You're my pleasure. You're my pleasure. I'm excited.

    15. PM

      Me too, man.

    16. JR

      I'm excited, man. I'm excited to see you.

    17. PM

      But, yeah, especially out in this heat, dude. Just like, you know what? I had a great show. You know what? I'm feeling a little bit naughty.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. PM

      I'm gonna have myself a Coke on ice.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. PM

      So good.

    22. JR

      Reward yourself. The problem is when people do it all day, every day.

    23. PM

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      That's when it's just... Your body doesn't know what to do with that kinda sugar-

    25. PM

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... because it's so unnatural. Your body never gets sugar like that in the wild. You get sugar in fruit. You know, when you have like a glass of sugar water, it's just pouring right into your bloodstream. Your body's like, "What the fuck is this?"

    27. PM

      I like, I like guaraná.

    28. JR

      Ooh, that's good stuff.

    29. PM

      That is crazy stuff.

    30. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

  3. 6:068:51

    From Stone Temple Pilots to Queens of the Stone Age: musicianship, identity, and AI’s “robot songs”

    1. PM

      Another band with Stone, I wa- uh...It's Queens of the Stone Age is who I want to sound like.

    2. JR

      Oh, those guys are great.

    3. PM

      I, I wanna see them so bad.

    4. JR

      I, I have not seen them live-

    5. PM

      Me either.

    6. JR

      ... but I had Josh on the show. He's awesome.

    7. PM

      How was he?

    8. JR

      Very cool guy.

    9. PM

      Yes, sir.

    10. JR

      Very... Well, we had a good friend in Bourdain.

    11. PM

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      He, he was good friends with, uh, Bourdain too. He's a fucking interesting dude, though. Very interesting dude. And their music is fucking-

    13. PM

      It's so smart.

    14. JR

      ... so interesting.

    15. PM

      It's, yeah, it's so smart, it's-

    16. JR

      Yeah. It's, it's, it's so distinctive. Like, their music is so distinctive. Like, you hear a song, it sounds like them.

    17. PM

      Right, right.

    18. JR

      You know what I mean?

    19. PM

      He's got a voice, man.

    20. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    21. PM

      And he can write a hell of a song.

    22. JR

      Hell of a song.

    23. PM

      Yeah. It's just, I don't know. Like, some of the stuff they do, I'm like, "How do you even think of that?"

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. PM

      There's so many artists like that. But I'm like, in that setting, and then that first record with, with Dave, like, just-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. PM

      ... banging on. Dude, I was... Oh my God, it's so, it's so good.

    28. JR

      Yeah, it's so good. Well, we're in an amazing time for art. For both music and a lot of other things too. There's just so much good shit out there now.

    29. PM

      That's true. But I figured, you know, that the way things are moving, I got like four, five months before people like the robot songs more than-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  4. 8:5113:15

    Gold mines and ancient bone warehouses: the Alaska “Boneyard” rabbit hole

    1. JR

      Yeah. Um, I have a friend who lives up in Alaska, and he owns a gold mine. Have you ever seen, uh, The Boneyard, um, uh, Instagram page?

    2. PM

      No, sir.

    3. JR

      It's insane. He's got this area in Alaska that apparently there was a mass die-off there that probably had something to do with a comet impact, somewhere around the Younger Dryas period.

    4. PM

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      And there's tons of woolly mammoth bones there.

    6. PM

      That's crazy.

    7. JR

      He has warehouses filled with them.

    8. PM

      That's good.

    9. JR

      And it's all his land. And he's a gold miner. So it's like... And he's wealthy. He doesn't, and he doesn't give a fuck.

    10. PM

      Right.

    11. JR

      Like, this guy Jon comes on here smoking cigarettes, telling the story of his life, and he's got warehouses full of priceless stone, uh, you know, bones.

    12. PM

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      These fucking ancient, like, uh, cave bear heads and steppe bisons. He's got just-

    14. PM

      Oh, that's just a, that's a junk drawer.

    15. JR

      This is, this is... So this is no- not... Like, the most valuable shit in the world.

    16. PM

      That's crazy.

    17. JR

      And he's got warehouses filled with it.

    18. PM

      What is it... Was that an ariak?

    19. JR

      I don't know. What the fuck that is.

    20. PM

      It's, it's like a horned stem...

    21. JR

      What is that? He's got teeth and horns, and they, they found, uh, certain cats.

    22. PM

      Ooh, what is that? Is that a...

    23. JR

      They don't know what that is yet.

    24. PM

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      They found that. It's mummified. It's a tiny little mummified creature.

    26. PM

      Oh, that's one of them Alaskan, uh, chupacabras.

    27. JR

      Bah.

    28. PM

      Yeah. (laughs)

    29. JR

      Yeah, they have to, they have to get that examined.

    30. PM

      Yeah.

  5. 13:1517:37

    Sharks older than trees, mushroom “intentions,” and the Stoned Ape theory

    1. JR

      I don't think they grow towards humans, but one of the th- have you ever heard of the stoned ape theory?

    2. PM

      No, sir.

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. PM

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      The stoned ape theory is there's, there's this guy who's this, um, he was an ethnobotanist and, uh, uh, like a psychedelic guru.

    6. PM

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      His name was Terence McKenna. And Terence McKenna had this theory, and it coincides with the, uh, there's a lot of interesting things about it, but it's about the doubling of the human brain size. Apparently, the doubling of the human brain size is the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record.

    8. PM

      (clears throat)

    9. JR

      'Cause it, 'cause it happened fairly quickly. It happened over a period of, like, two million years.

    10. PM

      I missed that boat.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. PM

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      I don't think you did, dude. I don't think you did.

    14. PM

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      You're smart as fuck.

    16. PM

      Thank you, sir.

    17. JR

      Shut the fuck up.

    18. PM

      Thank you, sir. (laughs)

    19. JR

      But this, this time period was when lower h- so what happened was that the rain- climate changed, and the rainforests receded into grasslands. And so, a lot of these hominids came out of the trees, and they started experimenting with different food sources. Oh, there's, like, a whole, uh, video about it. So these, these mushrooms grew on, on cow shit. So they've observed all these different primates flipping over cow patties and eating beetles and grubs on them.

    20. PM

      Sure, sure.

    21. JR

      And they would probably experiment with the mushrooms that grow on them. And his thought was that mushrooms in low doses increase visual acuity, so it makes you a better hunter.

    22. PM

      Sure.

    23. JR

      It emphasizes a sense of community, so it would make you, like, m- have better tribal interactions. That would be- benefit. It makes people horny. That would benefit breeding. And then there's also, like, his brother, Dennis McKenna, he explained it to me, but I'm- I'll fuck it up if I try to re- recall it. But it's essentially that some of the elements that and how psilocybin interacts with your mind, it helps the facilitation of language. And he thinks that all those things coincided with climate change. So as, as these rainforests receded, these lower hominids came out, tried mushrooms, started eating them, and kept eating them for millions of years. And that was a part of the diet. And as they did this, and as they understood what to get and what to eat-

    24. PM

      Right.

    25. JR

      ... they, they looked for it, and they ate it, um, all the time. And it probably gave them a lot of ideas for how to make tools.

    26. PM

      Right.

    27. JR

      It probably gave them ideas like how to harness fire. And he thinks it's the source of human evolution.

    28. PM

      Shroomies.

    29. JR

      Shrooms.

    30. PM

      That's amazing.

  6. 17:3726:24

    Ergot, Salem, and the weird side-quests: EGOTs, Wolverine Oscars, and talent envy

    1. JR

      Well, you know, they used to accidentally get high, because they would get, uh, ergot would poison their wheat and their barley.

    2. PM

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      So it's like a, a certain fungus-

    4. PM

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      ... that grows on wheat, and it gives you an LSD-like effect. And they think that that might have been the source of the Salem witch, witch trials.

    6. PM

      Wow.

    7. JR

      Because at the time where this was taking place, they had apparently had a late frost. And when they have a late fro- or an early frost rather, and apparently when they have an early frost, it makes these plants more subject to ergot poisoning. And then they did some samples on, some soil samples, and they did find ergot.

    8. PM

      Did-

    9. JR

      I think they might have even, like, tested some things and found ergot in them. But they, so what they think was happening was these people were getting bad wheat that had ergot poisoning. And so a lot of them would die 'cause like, there, there was a big one, a big breakout of ergot poisoning in France.... a few years back. Not a few years back, quite a while back. But it was the same kinda thing, like a bunch of people died-

    10. PM

      That's crazy.

    11. JR

      ... from, from Ergot, and other people were just tripping balls.

    12. PM

      I was gonna make an Ergot joke, but-

    13. JR

      Dang it.

    14. PM

      ... I was gonna say, didn't Hugh Jackman win an Ergot?

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. PM

      (laughs) Uh, does he have an EGOT though? Sorry to go off-topic completely.

    17. JR

      What is an EGOT? It's like a- It's some kind of a-

    18. PM

      It's like an Emmy-

    19. JR

      It's some kind of a-

    20. PM

      ... Grammy, uh, Oscar, and Tony, I think is what it is.

    21. JR

      Oh, that's what it is. Right. Yeah, he's probably got all those right.

    22. PM

      He's so talented.

    23. JR

      Yeah, that guy can do everything.

    24. PM

      He's missing an Oscar for that. Oh, come on, Hugh.

    25. JR

      How does he not have an Oscar for Wolverine?

    26. PM

      I know. What the fuck?

    27. JR

      What are they, communists? The fuck's going on?

    28. PM

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      That guy's awesome.

    30. PM

      He's amazing. He was jacked, man.

  7. 26:2435:23

    Why Austin/Texas feels better than LA: noise, crowd energy, and finding balance (plus dad life)

    1. PM

      You, you been eating, ah, Terry Blacks?

    2. JR

      Oh, yes.

    3. PM

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Yeah. We get it delivered to the club a lot too. They're amazing. It's just like, you can't have bad barbecue and survive out here.

    5. PM

      I would... I'm interested about the move. Have you had, like, like, you found your... Like, this place is amazing.

    6. JR

      Thank you.

    7. PM

      But the move here... 'Cause last time I was on, we were talking. It's been three years.

    8. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. PM

      And that was right before you moved, you said.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. PM

      And I don't know. I love... Whenever I moved here, it was amazing. Like, the food fucking just blew me away.

    12. JR

      Food's incredible.

    13. PM

      Like...

    14. JR

      The people are so cool. It's just great being out of LA.

    15. PM

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      LA... Look, there's a lot of cool people in LA. I loved it. I lived there for a long time. But it's so tense. There's so many people. And I don't think people are supposed to live that jammed up like that.

    17. PM

      Hm.

    18. JR

      I just don't think it's good for you. I g- gen- I mean, maybe it's different for other people. Maybe they like that feeling, and I have friends that live in New York City. They fucking love the beep, beep.

    19. PM

      Sure.

    20. JR

      Fuck you. They love it.

    21. PM

      Awesome.

    22. JR

      They love it. They, they love that crime is up, 'cause people are maniacs. They feel like they're real. They feel like it's dangerous.

    23. PM

      Sure.

    24. JR

      They're out there in the street.

    25. PM

      Sure.

    26. JR

      But me? I like to be... I like to relax.

    27. PM

      Me too.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. PM

      I mean, that's like... I, I... Being on tour too and being in the hotels, like, and going to... Um, 'cause I lived in LA for, like, five years, and... But being in, on tour and being in the hotels, like, and... Like, New York and Boston, and it just is so noisy.

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  8. 35:2340:46

    Vacation stress, Maldives shark fishing story, and the ethics of catch-and-release

    1. PM

      But back to the vacation. Sorry, I wanted to say something about that too. Have you ever been, I don't know how your family is or how your buddies are, but have you ever been on a vacation, and the people who planned the vacation are super militant about the itinerary?

    2. JR

      Ugh.

    3. PM

      And you can't even vacation.

    4. JR

      Ugh.

    5. PM

      Do you know what I'm talking about?

    6. JR

      I do know what you're talking about, but fortunately, I haven't experienced one of those.

    7. PM

      It is cursed.

    8. JR

      Because it's like (laughs) -

    9. PM

      I've seen it. I've seen people go through it.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. PM

      You're in this, like, beautiful place, and they're like, "All right, guys, so 6:00 AM tomorrow morning."

    12. JR

      Oh, no.

    13. PM

      "You guys are up."

    14. JR

      We're going kayaking.

    15. PM

      It's like, it's like 3:00, and you're all drunk.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. PM

      And everybody's like, "All right, so you're gonna get up at 6:00, right? You're gonna be up at 6:00 AM to-"

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. PM

      "... to go fucking do something in the sun, and it's the hottest of all time-"

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. PM

      "... after three hours of sleep." And I'm like, "Yep, I'll be there."

    22. JR

      Oh.

    23. PM

      And uh, but you don't wanna be-

    24. JR

      I mean-

    25. PM

      ... you don't wanna be mean and be like, "I'm not going." (laughs) And then you also, then you get FOMO.

    26. JR

      I don't think it's mean. I don't think it's mean. I think it's kinda mean to tell you what to do, especially if you're on vacation.

    27. PM

      Yeah. Yeah, Greg.

    28. JR

      Yeah, Greg.

    29. PM

      No, I don't know a Greg.

    30. JR

      Fuck Greg. (laughs) But maybe it's some cool shit, like, "We're gonna go marlin fishing. We gotta be up at 5:00 AM."

  9. 40:4644:25

    Radio as a lost centerpiece: KISS FM memories, legacy media, and old car stereo theft culture

    1. JR

      Bro, when I was a kid, no one ever would have thought there would be a time where radio wasn't like a centerpiece in everyone's life.

    2. PM

      Right.

    3. JR

      'Cause when I was a kid, like in high school, in the '80s, it was like, "What station do you listen to?"

    4. PM

      Right.

    5. JR

      You know, I was a BCN guy.

    6. PM

      Sure.

    7. JR

      The Rock of Boston, you know?

    8. PM

      And you got beat up by the, the KTMT's-

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. PM

      ... guys. (laughs)

    11. JR

      Well, there was the AAF guys that were a little more hardcore.

    12. PM

      Those guys are crazy.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. PM

      I know those fuckers. They're crazy.

    15. JR

      And then there's the, the KISS FM guys who were into disco.

    16. PM

      I love KISS FM.

    17. JR

      They're into like going out to clubs, you know? (laughs)

    18. PM

      When did KISS FM start?

    19. JR

      (sighs) Well, there's been a lot of KISS FMs, right?

    20. PM

      'Cause I... 106.1, K-K-K-K-KISS FM.

    21. JR

      Where is that one?

    22. PM

      Dallas-Fort Worth, yeah. (laughs)

    23. JR

      Dallas, yeah. I think there's a KISS FM all over the country. I don't know if they're affiliate... I don't know what that is. Is that like a f- a fucking chain? I don't know.

    24. PM

      Yeah, it's d- I- I just... Is it franchised? (laughs)

    25. JR

      That's a good question.

    26. PM

      Like, how do they get a franchise in place?

    27. JR

      'Cause there's a whole lot of KISS FMs.

    28. PM

      Yeah, I mean-

    29. JR

      Why does that sound so good? It does sound good. KISS FM.

    30. PM

      It sounds so good.

  10. 44:2551:57

    Lockpicking rabbit hole, ‘security theater,’ and online culture: Among Us, Metaverse, and taxes

    1. PM

      And what happened to, uh... How come no one uses those, uh, steering wheel locks?

    2. JR

      They don't really work.

    3. PM

      They don't?

    4. JR

      I mean, maybe some of them do. I've seen people break them though. Pretty easy.

    5. PM

      Well, you could break... You ever watch the Lockpick Lawyer-

    6. JR

      No.

    7. PM

      ... on YouTube?

    8. JR

      No.

    9. PM

      I don't know anything about lock picking. I wanna learn. It seems like a, just a cool thing to learn playing video games and stuff, and I'm like, "I wanna lock pick shit." That sounds so-

    10. JR

      Very, very James Bond.

    11. PM

      It's badass. Very, uh, t- uh, Splinter Cell.

    12. JR

      Yeah, it's cool if you have a little lock pick tool in your box.

    13. PM

      That's fucking... That's badass. And, but to be able to pull that out is pretty cool.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. PM

      But the Lockpick Lawyer, he can get into, like, anything. Yeah, this is... Dude, it's so cool, man. This... See, this is the, this is the Lexic- Lexus, uh, RX300. I love this lock. Um-

    16. JR

      You know locks?

    17. PM

      No, sir.

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. PM

      But as you, uh, but as you see here with this, uh-

    20. JR

      Oh, the little things it's got?

    21. PM

      ... with this toy 48, with the toy 48.

    22. JR

      Oh.

    23. PM

      Man, he'll get in here so quick.

    24. JR

      Oh, my God, he can get in anywhere with these things.

    25. PM

      And that's my favorite lock, so...

    26. JR

      This is crazy. Look how he's doing this.

    27. PM

      (laughs) That's your favorite lock?

    28. JR

      Look how he's doing this. This is nuts.

    29. PM

      So they'll make... They'll do, like, challenges for him, and he'll just get in there no problem. It is so... And I never was interested, but this shit is like... it's like ASMR. It is so fun to watch. And I'll just watch this all night. Um-

    30. JR

      This is wild how he's doing this-

  11. 51:571:00:05

    Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz, combat-sports endurance, and VR boxing to gaming addiction (Diablo/Quake)

    1. PM

      Did you watch the fight?

    2. JR

      I did.

    3. PM

      What do you think?

    4. JR

      It was a good fight. Jake did a great job.

    5. PM

      He's-

    6. JR

      He's very talented.

    7. PM

      He's big.

    8. JR

      Yeah, he's a big fella.

    9. PM

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      He's a big fella, and you know, Nate is, uh, definitely smaller than him, definitely doesn't hit as hard as him. Um, and Jake has a lot more experience in professional boxing now, for sure. But he's legit.

    11. PM

      I, I, I, he-

    12. JR

      He's a legit fighter.

    13. PM

      I mean, yeah, he looks, he looks good. I mean, Nate, I just love watching Nate fight.

    14. JR

      He's an animal.

    15. PM

      He, he is amazing. He is like one of my favorites to watch. And I was super pumped to... It came on after the show in Dallas the first night, like two nights ago.

    16. JR

      They're talking about having an MMA fight, which would be a way different fight.

    17. PM

      I want that fight.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. PM

      I want that fight.

    20. JR

      That's a way different fight. That's a way different fight.

    21. PM

      I feel like, and I've never been in a combat sport before, but-

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. PM

      ... like I, it's so, it, it changes everything.

    24. JR

      Changes everything.

    25. PM

      Like you see Nate kinda getting up against the rope because he wants the, the chain there.

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. PM

      You know?

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. PM

      Like 'cause I s- he's getting up against the rope, and I'm like, "Oh, in MMA or UFC or whatever, you can get up against..."

    30. JR

      You'd tie him up.

  12. 1:00:051:12:45

    Bud Light backlash, long-form conversation as an antidote, and social media’s brain-hijack

    1. JR

      I make it, force it. Just force it. Give me one of them Bud Lights. Fuck it.

    2. PM

      Fuck it. Got it. Let's go.

    3. JR

      They're cold too.

    4. PM

      We've been drinking Bud Light consistently on this show. Yeah? I'm sure the comments are afire- (laughs) ... with those, those folks that like to get riled up about stupid shit.

    5. JR

      Well, that's what I said, you know. I, I... Before the show, I was like, just back to the conversation we were just having. There's not a lot of comfort in the modern world, man. And I've been drinking this forever.

    6. PM

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And I don't-

    8. PM

      Gives you comfort.

    9. JR

      I'm drinking my fucking... I'm gonna... Goddammit, I'm gonna drink a fucking beer, Joe Rogan.

    10. PM

      Yeah. A Bud Light too.

    11. JR

      I'm gonna drink a fucking Bud Light, and it's yummy.

    12. PM

      Forget about everybody's outrage.

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. PM

      Settle down, everybody. Relax. They fucked up, so let them off the hook. They fucked up. This one thing, it's not even that big a deal, but when- It's-

    15. JR

      ... when Kid Rock shoots your fucking beer, it's game over.

    16. PM

      It was a cool MP5, though.

    17. JR

      (laughs) It was.

    18. PM

      It was. It was a cool gun.

    19. JR

      When Kid Rock shoots your beer.

    20. PM

      But that's... I... You don't wanna... You... First off, you gotta buy the beer. And you know how much ammo is nowadays, so it's just like... (laughs)

    21. JR

      It was an expensive publicity stunt, but I think it was well worth it. Well, if you look at the impact that it did, that's what's crazy. I guess people are just looking for shit to get annoyed with lately.

    22. PM

      Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It, it's...

    23. JR

      ... it's interesting. And I- I- I- I love watching the show because it's so ... you just talk.

    24. PM

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      You just talk, and me and, me and my friends, we say, "You know, it's nice because you don't have any judgment, and you listen to, to people talk, and you actually have a conversation, which is really nice."

    26. PM

      Well, in this age of short attention span, it's, that shit doesn't appeal to everybody. There's a lot of people that aren't interested in that.

    27. JR

      Right.

    28. PM

      And they're interested in long form conversations. They're interested in reading books. They're interested in just, just listening to music just for the sake of listening to music.

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. PM

      You know, there's still people like that out there. This idea that everyone's this short attention span dummy, that's crazy. That's not true. There's always going to be people that are interested in things.

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