CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 0:54
Surf travel blitz and returning to action after a major knee injury
Shane Dorian opens with a whirlwind rundown of recent travel centered around surfing. Joe and Shane quickly pivot to Shane’s rebuilt knee and how close he feels to fully back, including surfing and snowboarding without a brace.
- •Recent months of nonstop travel: Mexico, El Salvador, Indonesia, Tahiti, France, California
- •Knee status: strong enough for surfing, snowboarding, and hunting without a brace
- •Context: Shane’s lifestyle is still highly athletic and performance-driven
- 0:54 – 7:27
Snowboarding crash, ACL/MCL reconstruction, and the long road of rehab
They unpack the severity of Shane’s accident—hitting a tree—and the surgical details of reconstructing both ACL and MCL. Joe compares graft choices (patellar tendon vs cadaver) and they discuss recovery timelines and post-op pain.
- •Injury details: ACL and MCL ‘blew off’; patellar tendon split to rebuild ligaments
- •Healing timeline: roughly 18 months with strict PT adherence
- •Comparison of graft types and healing speed (cadaver vs patellar)
- •Post-surgery pain and limitations, including kneeling discomfort
- 7:27 – 9:31
Painkillers, opioid risks, and Shane’s stem cell ‘full body’ treatment in Mexico
The conversation shifts from post-surgery pain management to broader opioid risks and why neither of them likes painkillers. Shane then describes an intensive stem cell regimen at CPI in Mexico, including spine injections under anesthesia.
- •Personal aversion to opiates; discussion of addiction potential and ‘Painkiller’ series
- •Shane’s CPI treatment: shoulders, knees, elbow, lumbar + cervical spine, plus IV stem cells
- •Anesthesia for spinal injections; immediate post-procedure soreness management
- •Early impressions: feels changes despite being told effects take weeks
- 9:31 – 24:03
Hypoxic cord-blood stem cells and the strict post-treatment protocol
Shane explains what ‘hypoxic’ stem cells are, dosing totals, and why they’re believed to remain active for months. Joe presses on the rationale for avoiding exercise, cold plunge, sauna, and anti-inflammatories to prevent misdirecting healing.
- •Stem cell specifics: cord-blood derived, ‘hypoxic’ cells; 180M injected + 100M IV
- •Rest protocol: minimal walking early on; gradual PT focused on stabilization
- •No cold plunge/sauna/NSAIDs for weeks to avoid altering inflammation signaling
- •Goal: regrow tissue, increase disc space; follow-up MRIs to compare outcomes
- 24:03 – 35:31
Training consistency vs overtraining—and Joe’s near-carnivore diet for energy and cognition
They explore staying fit in midlife, muscle memory, and how to avoid getting ‘back to mush.’ Joe gives a detailed breakdown of his meat-heavy diet, why ketones feel cognitively superior for him, and how he manages fats with lean wild game.
- •Consistency beats intensity; gradual ramping for beginners to avoid injury
- •Joe’s diet: mostly meat (often elk), with added fats (tallow, mayo, olive oil)
- •Cognitive and energy benefits Joe associates with low-carb/keto/carnivore
- •Food cravings and satiety: carbs trigger overeating; meat is self-limiting
- 35:31 – 38:20
Vitamin D deficiency, digestion/absorption, and why surfers can still test low
Shane describes bloodwork showing vitamin D deficiency despite being in the sun, and how digestive enzymes (papaya enzymes) seemed to improve absorption. Joe and Shane discuss vitamin D as a hormone, K2 pairing, and population-level deficiency.
- •Bloodwork surprises: vitamin D deficiency even with supplementation
- •Digestive enzyme intervention and improved follow-up labs
- •Vitamin D as a hormone; importance for immune function and overall health
- •Mystery: surfers and sunlight exposure yet still low vitamin D levels
- 38:20 – 46:30
Morning sunlight, circadian rhythm, and the genetics of short sleepers
Joe describes his morning routine (cold plunge plus sunlight) and how it affects alertness. They debate sleep needs, including genetic short-sleepers, and whether high performers like Jocko thrive on minimal sleep or just tolerate suffering.
- •Sunlight exposure for circadian rhythm alignment; Joe’s cold plunge + morning sun routine
- •Sleep variation: some people function on 4–6 hours due to genetics
- •Concerns about long-term brain health and Alzheimer’s correlations
- •Jocko/Arnold as examples of outlier sleep patterns
- 46:30 – 53:27
Axis deer bowhunting in Hawaii: sustainability, difficulty, and animal ‘dodge’ reflexes
Shane and Joe dive into bowhunting in Hawaii—recent Maui hunts, the ecological need to manage axis deer populations, and just how hard it is to get within bow range. They watch clips showing deer reacting to arrows at the last instant.
- •Shane’s recent success: multiple deer harvested; lots of stalking and misses too
- •Axis deer as an invasive species without predators; hunting as population control
- •Lanai ‘dream team’ trip and how it gave a misleading sense of ease
- •Deer reaction speed: ‘ducking the string’ causes clean misses on perfect shots
- 53:27 – 1:11:43
Bow vs rifle ethics, practice requirements, and staying calm under pressure (ShotIQ)
They compare the emotional reward and difficulty of bowhunting versus the practicality of rifles for filling a freezer. Joe breaks down shot process psychology, including Joel Turner’s ShotIQ system and how self-talk prevents target panic.
- •Rifle hunting: easier and often more ethical for guaranteed clean kills
- •Bowhunting: close-range, wind/scent/brush constraints, extensive practice demands
- •Joe’s elk story: stalking in socks, perfect quartering-away shot, rapid kill
- •ShotIQ concepts: open vs closed loop systems; shot process, self-talk, avoiding flinching
- 1:11:43 – 1:23:37
From hobbies to war anxiety: Israel-Gaza escalation and fears of global conflict
A sudden tonal shift: Shane reflects on the surreal contrast between their conversation and ongoing wars. Joe and Shane discuss fears of escalation into World War III and the catastrophic implications of nuclear conflict.
- •Israel preparing for ground invasion; broader regional repercussions
- •Anxiety about retaliation cycles and long-term destabilization
- •Ukraine/Russia as an ongoing backdrop raising global escalation risk
- •Nuclear war consequences: collapse of infrastructure and rapid societal breakdown
- 1:23:37 – 1:30:00
Border surge, city strain, and fentanyl’s evolving crisis (including ‘tranq’)
They pivot to U.S. border policy and downstream impacts on cities, then to the fentanyl epidemic—observations from California vs Tijuana, cartel dynamics, and xylazine (‘tranq’) causing necrotic wounds. The discussion includes drug testing kits, Narcan, and how ubiquitous fentanyl has become.
- •Concerns about large-scale migration and city mandates to house migrants
- •Shane’s surprise: fewer visible homeless/drug crises in Tijuana than parts of California
- •Fentanyl mixed with xylazine (tranq): prolonged effects, necrosis, amputations
- •Harm reduction: test strips, Narcan in schools, and accidental poisonings
- 1:30:00 – 1:49:56
Prohibition, pharma corruption, COVID distrust, and media incentives
Joe argues prohibition makes criminals the sole suppliers and fuels cartel power, but acknowledges fears of full legalization. They connect opioid marketing scandals (OxyContin, Vioxx) and pharmaceutical advertising to declining trust in doctors and mainstream media—accelerated by COVID-era controversies.
- •Drug prohibition as a driver of unsafe supply and cartel power; legalization tradeoffs
- •OxyContin/Dopesick era as a turning point for distrust in medical authority
- •Pharma advertising on TV/news and perceived media capture
- •Mainstream media credibility collapse and narrative failures during major events
- 1:49:56 – 2:16:53
Concussion history, brain stimulation therapy, TRT, peptides—and the modern longevity toolkit
Shane details a cluster of concussions from big-wave wipeouts and subsequent mood/clarity issues, then describes EEG-guided brain stimulation at home. Joe connects TBIs to pituitary/endocrine disruption and explains how TRT, peptides (including BPC-157), and modern recovery strategies can meaningfully change quality of life.
- •Multiple concussions leading to anxiety, brain fog, mood decline
- •EEG assessments and an at-home electrical stimulation protocol tailored to his brain
- •TRT benefits: improved energy, mood, clarity; TBI links to hormonal disruption
- •Peptides and recovery: BPC-157, HGH-stimulating peptides; debate with conservative medicine
- 2:16:53 – 2:21:27
Closing reflections: bloodwork, regenerative food choices, and tracking stem cell outcomes
They wrap by emphasizing measurable health tracking (bloodwork) and the importance of sourcing better food where possible. Joe reiterates interest in Shane’s spine results and Shane commits to sharing his stem cell journey to help others navigate the options.
- •Bloodwork as feedback loop: identifying deficiencies and optimizing health
- •Regenerative farming vs industrial runoff; ‘make the best choices you can’ framing
- •Joe’s curiosity about disc regeneration and avoiding surgeries like fusions/replacements
- •Shane’s plan to document and share stem cell protocols and results
