Joe Rogan Experience #2052 - Shane Dorian

1. 0:00 – 0:54

   Surf travel blitz and returning to action after a major knee injury

   1. SDShane Dorian0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) What's up, Shane Dorian?

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      How are you, brother?

   3. SDShane Dorian0:14

      I'm doing great, man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you.

   5. SDShane Dorian0:15

      Thanks. Good to see you too.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What's cracking? What's the latest and your greatest?

   7. SDShane Dorian0:19

      Lots of stuff, man. I feel like... I don't know. I feel like normally I don't have that much that's the latest and greatest, but yeah, a lot- a lot's been happening. I've been crazy busy, but all good stuff, so nothing to complain about.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      What's been happening? What's crazy busy?

   9. SDShane Dorian0:33

      Um, let's see. In the last, last three months, four months, been to Mexico twice, El Salvador once, California four or five times, Indonesia for a month, Tahiti, uh, France, Mexico.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Damn, son.

   11. SDShane Dorian0:49

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       World traveler.

   13. SDShane Dorian0:50

       A lot.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       What you been doing?

   15. SDShane Dorian0:52

       A lot of surfing.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah?

   17. SDShane Dorian0:54

       A lot of surfing.

2. 0:54 – 7:27

   Snowboarding crash, ACL/MCL reconstruction, and the long road of rehab

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:54

      How's your knee?

   2. SDShane Dorian0:56

      It's great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      Is it 100%?

   4. SDShane Dorian0:58

      It's f-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      Close?

   6. SDShane Dorian0:59

      It's amazing. It's not 100%, but it's... I never thought it would be this good again, honestly. It's really, really good. I have slight range of motion that's not as good as, as the other, which is sup- you know, to be expected, but it's great. I surf with no brace. I snowboard with no brace. Um, I go hunting all the time with no brace. I never, I never, I never really think about it, which is amazing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      For people that don't know, uh, you were in a snowboarding accident.

   8. SDShane Dorian1:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:22

      And you fucking demolished your knee.

   10. SDShane Dorian1:24

       Yeah, I ran right into a tree.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Sh- which is-

   12. SDShane Dorian1:26

       Wrapped my knee around a tree.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Always my fear when I see people skiing and snowboarding and some... 'Cause I, I quit skiing because of a- an accident. I fucked my knee up, and I cracked my shin bone. I got an insufficiency fracture in the top of my shin bone.

   14. SDShane Dorian1:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       I was like, "That's it. I'm done. I'm done with this."

   16. SDShane Dorian1:45

       Yeah. I love snowboarding. I'm not giving it up. So, I'm a... But yeah, like to answer your, and... To answer your question, I'm, I'm really happy with the way my knee healed up. So I... Yeah, it was a shitty experience though, that whole process. Like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       How long did it take you to fully heal?

   18. SDShane Dorian2:00

       Probably 18 months.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       Phew.

   20. SDShane Dorian2:03

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       Wow.

   22. SDShane Dorian2:05

       But I was really, really, um... I f- you know, I really followed the pro- the... I, I followed all the physical therapy and all the protocol, and I, I, uh, you know, I did every single thing I could to, to help it out. Like, you... Like you rang me and said, "Let's do the... Let's get some stem cells in your knee." So I, like, I came twice here. Um, guys at Ways to Well h- helped me out with that, and I had great results from that. I actually felt the, like the difference, which is amazing. But it healed great, so...

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       You were saying that was the turning point, like the Ways to Well, like that you were... That, that this is what, one of the things that really pushed you over the edge where it really felt like it was healing.

   24. SDShane Dorian2:41

       Yeah, I mean, I went to a great surgeon, and he does these things all the time with, you know, great success. And I have a lot of friends who've had that exact same surgery from him, so I was really confident.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       What was the extent of the injury?

   26. SDShane Dorian2:53

       I got full repairs of my ACL and my MCL. They both basically blew off.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Phew.

   28. SDShane Dorian2:58

       Yeah. So they, so they took my patellar tendon and split it in thirds and then built new ligaments out of that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       Hmm. So they did the MCL and the ACL out of the patellar tendon?

   30. SDShane Dorian3:08

       Yeah.
3. 7:27 – 9:31

   Painkillers, opioid risks, and Shane’s stem cell ‘full body’ treatment in Mexico

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:27

      Why did you, um, do you needed them after stem cells? Is that what you needed them for?

   2. SDShane Dorian7:30

      Yeah. So I just had stem cell treatment in Mexico. I was there for a week.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:34

      Oh, so you went to the CPI-

   4. SDShane Dorian7:36

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      ... the Cellular Performance Institute in-

   6. SDShane Dorian7:37

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:37

      ... Mexico, and you just got hammered with them, right?

   8. SDShane Dorian7:39

      Yeah. I was there for a week. And, um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:42

      Wow.

   10. SDShane Dorian7:42

       ... it was intense. It was great. So, yeah, so my, my, my treatment was, was pretty over the top. Not over the top, but for me, it was a lot. I got both shoulders done, both knees, um, my right elbow, my lumbar spine, and my cervical spine. And they, you know, I did the cervical spine, and the, and the lumbar. And when they do your spine, they put you out, so they put you under anesthesia, and then they do the rest of my body at that same time. And then, because there were so many stem cells in my back, um, like, most of the time, people wake up from that, and they're really sore and a lot of pain. Um, and so they gave me some, some, some pain medication, which I sorta needed right when I woke up. But, like, by the next morning, I was just on, like, the Tylenol trip.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Mm.

   12. SDShane Dorian8:27

       So, like, things mellowed out really quick for me.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       So that was two weeks ago, you said?

   14. SDShane Dorian8:31

       Yeah, that was, like, 10 days ago now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       10 days ago?

   16. SDShane Dorian8:32

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Do you feel any difference?

   18. SDShane Dorian8:35

       Yes. Um, so I'm not supposed to s- to feel any different for, like, the first month. Like, you're not d- you know, like, the- these, these sort of stem cells are a little bit different. That's my understanding, at least. So they're h- they're called a, a hop- uh, uh, hypoxic stem cell, and they're from cord blood, so they're, th- so they're from an umbilical cord.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       Mm-hmm.

   20. SDShane Dorian8:56

       Um, and I got 180 million stem cells injected, and then I got 100 million stem cells in an IV. And, um, and so those kinda, uh, those kinda stem cells are, they're called hypoxic, which is, I think it means that they do really, really well under very low oxygen environments. So they're able to live in my body for up to 12 months.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Mm.

   22. SDShane Dorian9:22

       Live, I don't know if that's the right word, but they're, they stay active and growing in your body for 12 months. So, um, so now it's just, um, a matter of me following a protocol, which is not that fun.

4. 9:31 – 24:03

   Hypoxic cord-blood stem cells and the strict post-treatment protocol

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      And so the, the protocol involves essentially a lot of rest, right? You're, you're, you're not supposed to train. Like, what, what is the protocol?

   2. SDShane Dorian9:40

      Yeah. So the protocol with these specific stem cells, like, because they, you know, sorta live so long in your body, um, the first two weeks n- is basically nothing. It's like maybe 15 minutes o- of, like, walking per day, and then after that, you work with a physical therapist, and you have very specific physical therapy. So it's like, um, a lot of, like, stabilization stuff. Like, I did my spine, so I was talking to, um, Nikki Hind, who's my, my physical therapist, and so, so she's creating, like, a physical therapy, um, schedule and program for me based around my spine. And sh- she told me that she's, she's worked with some people w- who have had, um, intense stem cell therapies, and it's, like, a pretty crazy opportunity to, to kinda of, um, you have, like, a second chance, like, at this age with my spine to, like, really change it the way, the way it is. Um, so I'm pretty excited about that. I have some, like, degeneration and some, some, some bulging discs in my lower, lower back, and then I have some, my upper, upper back, my cervical spine is pretty fucked up from all the surfing wipeouts I've had.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:42

      Whoa.

   4. SDShane Dorian10:44

      So-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      So surfing wipeouts like when you hit the ground and the water comes up on top of you.

   6. SDShane Dorian10:47

      Yeah, like falling off a 60-foot wave and hitting the surface of the water, that impact with the water, like, moving at, you know, like, 30 miles an hour, and you go in the other direction that (imitates crackling) .

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:56

      Ugh.

   8. SDShane Dorian10:56

      Yeah. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:58

      Fuck.

   10. SDShane Dorian10:58

       So my neck is jacked up from a lot of that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       And w- do they go right into the actual disc itself?

   12. SDShane Dorian11:05

       So they go in, I know in my ... I don't wanna mess this up, right, but, um, I try to ask all the right questions and memorize everything. But, uh, yeah, um, I know in my cervical spine, they mostly did my facets. But in my lower back, I, I think they went straight in the discs, so they did my SI joint and then, like, my C5, C4. Is that, I don't know if that sounds correct, but-

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Mm-hmm.

   14. SDShane Dorian11:25

       Um, so yeah, they did the discs.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       Wow.

   16. SDShane Dorian11:28

       So-

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       And is it supposed to make the discs expand?

   18. SDShane Dorian11:31

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       And make it larger, and so there's more cushion between the spinal column?

   20. SDShane Dorian11:35

       Yeah. Exactly.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Wow.

   22. SDShane Dorian11:38

       And they re- you know, like, they regrow tissue. They regrow ligaments. And so where there's been a lot of, um, wearing down, a lot of times, it'll regrow that. So I did my MRIs before my treatment, and then I'll go back six months from now and get updated MRIs. They're really good about the data, so they wanna see your progress. So a doctor will go over you with your new MRI six months from now and, and compare them exactly-

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       Mm.

   24. SDShane Dorian12:00

       ... to the previous MRI and go, "Hey, here, here's where, here, here's where your knee was." Or your-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       Mm.

   26. SDShane Dorian12:05

       Or, "Here's where your discs were, and here's where they are now."And so they tried, you know, that's the, that's the goal, right? Is, is, is for you to see some major improvement.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       And is a part of the thing with not exercising at all just making sure that you don't, don't do any breaking down of the body while it's going through this process of accepting the stem cells? Is that-

   28. SDShane Dorian12:27

       Yeah. That's a good question. So, the, my, my understanding is, so in your body, like the way an injury or, like, a torn ligament or a torn rotator cuff shows up in your body, it's just inflammation. And inflammation is, like, basically like a magnet for stem cells. So the, so the stem cells go exactly where they're needed in your body. They're really smart. Um, so the, so, so the stem cells were injected straight into the joints and into the areas of my body. But, um, what'd you ask me again? What was the question?

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       I, I said the idea of-

   30. SDShane Dorian13:01

       Oh.
5. 24:03 – 35:31

   Training consistency vs overtraining—and Joe’s near-carnivore diet for energy and cognition

   1. SDShane Dorian24:03

      You're fit, dude. What have you been eating? I, I, I know I asked you on the... when I was, I was texting you, but I wanted to get a full breakdown of Joe's food program.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:11

      It's almost all meat.

   3. SDShane Dorian24:12

      Yeah?

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:12

      Yeah. Yeah, I'm almost entirely... Uh, that's my... All I eat is meat.

   5. SDShane Dorian24:18

      Okay. I need to-

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:19

      Like yesterday, my-

   7. SDShane Dorian24:19

      We need to unpack this.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:20

      ... entire day was almost... My entire day was like 95% elk.

   9. SDShane Dorian24:25

      Wow.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       Yeah.... it's all you...

   11. SDShane Dorian24:29

       F-freaking awesome.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       Yeah, I did-

   13. SDShane Dorian24:30

       It's okay.

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       For me, i-it just seems to work. I mean, I've tried a bunch of different diets, but for me, uh, there's a lot of benefits to this carnivore diet. And one of the biggest ones, 'cause I do this for a living, right? So one of the biggest ones is the cognitive benefits.

   15. SDShane Dorian24:46

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       There's, there's some giant difference between your body running on ketones, which is essentially when it runs on when you're running on just fats-

   17. SDShane Dorian24:52

       Mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       ... and, and protein, versus your body running on s-sugar, carbs, and, you know, pasta and bread.

   19. SDShane Dorian24:59

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       That stuff would make me crash, and I would feel dull. Like, my mind would feel dull. And when I started back on the carnivore diet, like, one of the first things that I noticed, like, almost immediately, was that I had an extra gear verbally. I got-

   21. SDShane Dorian25:14

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       ... an extra gear cognitively.

   23. SDShane Dorian25:15

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:15

       Like, o- my mind is forming sentences better. Like, it's, it's quicker. I'm, I'm, I'm more in tune with conversations, which, obviously, because I do this for a living, it's fucking so critical.

   25. SDShane Dorian25:29

       Yeah, it's huge.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       Like, I would stay on this diet just for that, just for that. But then, the other benefits are my energy levels are completely flat throughout the day. There's no crashes.

   27. SDShane Dorian25:40

       Wow.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       There's no peaks and valleys.

   29. SDShane Dorian25:42

       And good energy?

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:43

       Fucking great.
6. 35:31 – 38:20

   Vitamin D deficiency, digestion/absorption, and why surfers can still test low

   1. SDShane Dorian35:31

      I was gonna ta-... I was gonna say that, um... Like, while, while we're on the... This thing about the food. Um, you know Denise...

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:39

      From WaistDwell?

   3. SDShane Dorian35:39

      Denise, right? Yeah, WaistDwell.

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:40

      Yeah.

   5. SDShane Dorian35:40

      She... Like, I did my original blood work with, with her. And then we did a really cool, uh, Zoom call afterwards, and we talked for, like, an hour about my blood work. And I was, uh, deficient in a bunch of different things. And, and one of the things was vitamin D. And she goes, "I think you should start supplementing with vitamin D. Do you?" And I said, "Yeah, I actually take vitamin D every day." And she's, "Well, this... There's some weird disconnect, so will you send me the brand or what- whatever you take?" She's like, "That's a great brand. There's something wrong happening with, with the, with the way your body's trying to absorb and digest that." So, she has... So, so there was a bunch of things in my diet that I was taking that I was kind of deficient in. And so she started me on this, uh, digestive en- enzyme, which is essentially papaya enzymes. Um, and then I got my blood work done six months later, and I was, like, really great on my vitamin D.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:31

      Interesting.

   7. SDShane Dorian36:32

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:33

      So, there was something about...... your diet and the supplements where your body wasn't accepting the vitamin D?

   9. SDShane Dorian36:39

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:40

       Well, they, they usually say vitamin D should take with K2.

   11. SDShane Dorian36:43

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:43

       Were you taking it with K2?

   13. SDShane Dorian36:44

       I take both.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:45

       Yeah?

   15. SDShane Dorian36:45

       But my body, for some reason, just wasn't getting the vitamin D.

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       That's interesting.

   17. SDShane Dorian36:48

       Yeah, but most... Uh, there's a lot of people that are deficient in vitamin D.

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       Yeah. Oh, it's a giant problem.

   19. SDShane Dorian36:52

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       And it's a giant prob-... Well, it's really a hormone.

   21. SDShane Dorian36:55

       Yeah, it is.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:55

       Vitamin D is very different.

   23. SDShane Dorian36:56

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:57

       And the best way to get it, really, is from outside. The best way to get it is from the sun.

   25. SDShane Dorian37:01

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:01

       But if you don't get it from the sun enough, like specifically if you live in a cold climate, you really have to supplement.

   27. SDShane Dorian37:07

       I-

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:07

       If you don't, it's re- it's just really bad for your health-

   29. SDShane Dorian37:10

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:10

       ... overall, in all ways: your immune system function. Something like at one point in time, like 74% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D.
7. 38:20 – 46:30

   Morning sunlight, circadian rhythm, and the genetics of short sleepers

   1. JRJoe Rogan38:20

      One of the things that I do that Huberman says to do is I spend the early part of the morning, like, staring into the sun.

   2. SDShane Dorian38:26

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan38:26

      I get up in the morning and the first thing I do is go into the cold plunge, and where, where my cold plunge is set up, like, when I get in in the morning, the sun is, like, right there-

   4. SDShane Dorian38:36

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:36

      ... in the sky when I'm freezing my dick off. So, I just lie in this thing and, like, stare at the sun, and it's, it's an amazing way to wake up. It just fires me up, like, right away. It just changes my whole day.

   6. SDShane Dorian38:48

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:48

      You know? Like, whatever sluggishness and weirdness that I have, I get in that thing and it's like, "Yikes," and I'm staring at the sun. It's like whoop.

   8. SDShane Dorian38:58

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:58

      Like, all my levels just go right back up to normal.

   10. SDShane Dorian39:00

       I'm drawing a blank on the term, but what is it called when your body, uh, sets its time for the day from the sun and then getting-

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:07

       Circadian rhythm?

   12. SDShane Dorian39:07

       Yeah, circadian rhythm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:08

       Yeah.

   14. SDShane Dorian39:08

       It's supposed to be great for that. So, it, it, it benefits your sleep a lot, right, to, to get sunlight early in the morning?

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       Yeah, supposedly. I've ne-

   16. SDShane Dorian39:14

       'Cause it sets your body's clock, your mind's clock.

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:16

       I- I've never had a problem with sleep.

   18. SDShane Dorian39:17

       Yeah, me neither.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:18

       Lu- luckily.

   20. SDShane Dorian39:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       I'm just one of those guys. I c-

   22. SDShane Dorian39:20

       That sucks.

   23. JRJoe Rogan39:21

       (laughs) Sucks.

   24. SDShane Dorian39:21

       Yeah, I have friends that really struggle with sleep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:23

       My wife struggles with sleep.

   26. SDShane Dorian39:24

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan39:24

       I, I can go to sleep on a fucking train-

   28. SDShane Dorian39:26

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan39:26

       ... station floor and just lie down.

   30. SDShane Dorian39:27

       Yeah, I don't get it at all. And I, I, I'm not super empathetic about it too, 'cause-
8. 46:30 – 53:27

   Axis deer bowhunting in Hawaii: sustainability, difficulty, and animal ‘dodge’ reflexes

   1. JRJoe Rogan46:30

      Yeah. So, um, how was the, the bow hunting in Hawaii been?

   2. SDShane Dorian46:35

      (clapping) It's been, it's been good. It's been good. It's been good for me. I've been, um, I've been bowhunting axis deer a lot. I actually, um, I, I, I, I took the year off, uh, hunting elk. I saw, I saw that you were hunting elk and, and we talked but, uh, yeah, you had a really exciting elk, elk season. I want to hear about that. But yeah, it's been, it's been amazing. I've been not home very much but the, the last couple times I was home in Hawaii I, I bowhunted axis deer. I went on this last trip I killed four deer and, um, that was a, just lots of fun. Just spent tons of time mostly spooking deer and missing but, uh, four of them ended up-

   3. JRJoe Rogan47:10

      Were you on Maui?

   4. SDShane Dorian47:11

      Uh, yeah. I was. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan47:12

      The thing about axis deer hunting is it's so sus- it's so sustainable. It's such a great way-

   6. SDShane Dorian47:18

      Oh, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan47:18

      ... to get food because-

   8. SDShane Dorian47:19

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan47:19

      ... there's no natural predators. They literally have to be hunted.

   10. SDShane Dorian47:22

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:23

       And there's fucking thousands of them.

   12. SDShane Dorian47:25

       Thousands.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:25

       Thousands.

   14. SDShane Dorian47:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       When we did Lanai, remember when we had the dream team-

   16. SDShane Dorian47:29

       Yeah. Yeah, it was such a good trip.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       ... in Lanai? Oh, it was so good. (laughs) Gotta do it again, man.

   18. SDShane Dorian47:32

       (laughs) That was so fun.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       It was you, me, Cam Hanes, Jon Dudley-

   20. SDShane Dorian47:36

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       ... Adam Greentree-

   22. SDShane Dorian47:37

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       ... Remy Warren, Ben O'Bryan-

   24. SDShane Dorian47:40

       Benny.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:40

       Oh my god.

   26. SDShane Dorian47:41

       He was such a good crew.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       What a crew.

   28. SDShane Dorian47:43

       I know, it was wild.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       What a great time we had.

   30. SDShane Dorian47:45

       Yeah. We had the best time ever.
9. 53:27 – 1:11:43

   Bow vs rifle ethics, practice requirements, and staying calm under pressure (ShotIQ)

   1. SDShane Dorian53:27

      So, so, so, uh, let me ask you this. So I'm totally not opposed to rifle hunting at all. I think rifles are great for filling a freezer-

   2. JRJoe Rogan53:33

      100%.

   3. SDShane Dorian53:34

      ... and totally ethical hunting. But for, for you, that rifle hunts sometimes and b- bow hunts sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk, and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed, and that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan53:52

      It's way better.

   5. SDShane Dorian53:53

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan53:53

      It's much, much, much, much, much more difficult. Because, uh, you can have a very ethical shot on a deer with a rifle at 200 yards where the deer might not have any idea you're even there.

   7. SDShane Dorian54:06

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan54:06

      So if you... Especially if you're prone. So if you have a pack and you rest your rifle on the pack and you're lying down on your stomach (exhales) and you breathe out and relax, that bullet is flying so straight-

   9. SDShane Dorian54:19

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan54:19

       ... if your, your rifle is zeroed-

   11. SDShane Dorian54:20

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan54:21

       ... and you, you know, you look at the reticle and you get it... You get those crosshairs perfectly on the vitals, that's a dead deer.

   13. SDShane Dorian54:27

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan54:27

       100%.

   15. SDShane Dorian54:28

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan54:28

       Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal's senses. Like, when I...... crept up on this elk that I shot last week. I wore two pairs of wool socks.

   17. SDShane Dorian54:43

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan54:43

       I took my shoes off-

   19. SDShane Dorian54:45

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan54:45

       ... 'cause I could creep in.

   21. SDShane Dorian54:46

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan54:46

       Because he was bedded, and it was-

   23. SDShane Dorian54:48

       So damn cool.

   24. JRJoe Rogan54:49

       It was so cool, because it was the perfect opportunity, because he was bedded, and he was looking away from me. I was like, "Oh, he's dead, he's dead. I just have to do this the right way." And so I started out at, like, 110 yards, and I crept in very slowly the final 60 yards, and it took... 'Cause there was, like, a bunch of shit in the way.

   25. SDShane Dorian55:06

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan55:07

       I had to get to 50, and I got to 60. I was like, "I like it, but I don't like these branches and shit. I gotta get to the right."

   27. SDShane Dorian55:13

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan55:13

       Which is, like, another 10 yards. It took me, like, another 10 minutes.

   29. SDShane Dorian55:16

       (laughs) Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan55:17

       Just nice and slow. Ni- But when I got to 50, and he was still bedded, I'm like, "Oh, he's dead. I just have to wait for him to stand up."

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