Joe Rogan Experience #2057 - Dale Brisby

1. 0:00 – 2:49

   Cowboy hat & buckle gift: becoming a “real Texan”

   1. DBDale Brisby0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. DBDale Brisby0:12

      What is going on with this, man? What's going on, man? Joe Rogan, it's good to be here.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      It's a pleasure. Pleasure to meet you.

   5. DBDale Brisby0:16

      Likewise.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I feel like I shouldn't have these on either. Show me that hat, bro. Let's go.

   7. DBDale Brisby0:20

      Oh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      (laughs)

   9. DBDale Brisby0:23

      There's a couple ... I hope I didn't overdo it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       I've been here for three years. It's about time I wore one of these fucking hats.

   11. DBDale Brisby0:29

       (laughs) This is, uh, my brother made this belt end buckle.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Oh, nice. Oh, that's pretty sweet.

   13. DBDale Brisby0:34

       That was an idea I had.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Oh, that's very cool. Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, it's got my name on it and everything? Ooh.

   15. DBDale Brisby0:42

       Yeah, it's a, it's a handmade ...

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       It's got a little elk antler. Look at that, folks. It's Christmas.

   17. DBDale Brisby0:47

       Lee Willard Gibbons made that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Christmas early.

   19. DBDale Brisby0:49

       I hope that fits.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I hope it fits too. Here we go. I got a fat head.

   21. DBDale Brisby0:54

       Oh, it's backwards.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Oh. (laughs)

   23. DBDale Brisby0:56

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Is that good?

   25. DBDale Brisby0:58

       Oh my gosh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Is that good?

   27. DBDale Brisby1:01

       Bro, that fits.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       It fits. How's it look, Jamie?

   29. DBDale Brisby1:04

       All right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       You fucking ...
2. 2:49 – 5:17

   Texas history, Comanches, and how recent “the frontier” really was

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:49

      Well, this is a crazy place. Do you ever, uh, read the history of the place? You ever read like any, uh, books on the, how this place was sort of established, like when they conquered the Comanches and the Texas Rangers?

   2. DBDale Brisby3:00

      Yeah, there's ... yeah, the Llano Estacado and all that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      Wow. The history is just so insane. Like, no wonder why they resisted becoming a state for so long. Like, we got this.

   4. DBDale Brisby3:10

      It's brutal.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:11

      Yeah.

   6. DBDale Brisby3:11

      Some of that, some of those stories are just like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      Oh my God.

   8. DBDale Brisby3:13

      You gotta set them down and come back to them.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      Yeah. Empire of the Summer Moon is like that. Like, there's ... Some of the horrific tales of torture and what they ... Woo, those Comanche were some wild folks.

   10. DBDale Brisby3:24

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       They were some wild folks. I mean, if I could have like a, a, a, like an invisible bubble and go back in time, and just experience it without them knowing I was there-

   12. DBDale Brisby3:35

       Yup.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       ... I would love to see what that was like.

   14. DBDale Brisby3:37

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       The, it was a brutal time, man.

   16. DBDale Brisby3:40

       I feel like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Just brutal.

   18. DBDale Brisby3:41

       Have you seen Lonesome Dove?

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Yes.

   20. DBDale Brisby3:44

       Yeah. I feel like it's probably pretty close to what it was like.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah.

   22. DBDale Brisby3:49

       I mean, just guessing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       I mean, everyone's just sort of trying to recreate those moments, and try to ... But I think the, the ... It's just hard to believe that just ... I mean, when did they really conquer this area? It was like the 1800s. So, less than 200 years ago.

   24. DBDale Brisby4:09

       Not that long ago.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Not that long ago.

   26. DBDale Brisby4:10

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       This place was wild.

   28. DBDale Brisby4:12

       Yeah, like my-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:13

       Wild.

   30. DBDale Brisby4:14

       My great-great-granddad was a Texas Ranger, and like he actually met Quanah Parker.
3. 5:17 – 7:25

   Fast change, AI fears, and why society always has problems

   1. DBDale Brisby5:17

      That's- that's why people go to talking about change in like, I don't know, they're ... we're changing pretty fast.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      It's changing pretty fast here right now.

   3. DBDale Brisby5:24

      You know, like I think maybe we could slow down a little bit. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:26

      I wish we could. I had, uh, Elon Musk on the other day. We were talking about AI, like slowing down artificial intelligence, and you know, and he's basically like, yeah, I- I said, "Maybe we should do that, but no one's gonna listen." It's not-

   5. DBDale Brisby5:39

      Yeah, he went to that conference at the end of it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:41

      Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking scary shit, dude. Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans when the Europeans moved here, that- that world is gonna change even quicker for us if AI takes over.

   7. DBDale Brisby5:54

      (sighs) I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:55

      It's The Terminator, man.

   9. DBDale Brisby5:57

      And he's like, he's so close to it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       Yeah.

   11. DBDale Brisby5:59

       And he's worried about it. The way he talked about, you know, just like the extinction people, and you guys are ... Like, that's a whole nother world. I didn't realize like-... people that don't value human life are in charge of this, it's like, gets a little scary.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Yeah, there's some people out there that are not well, and they miss the point, and they probably don't have anybody around them that gets it. But anybody that says, like, "I don't wanna have kids," and, "Why would you have kids today? I would never wanna bring a kid up in this world." People had kids before they figured out floors.

   13. DBDale Brisby6:33

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       That's why we're here.

   15. DBDale Brisby6:35

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Like, don't you like people? This is my thing. Like, you don't wanna have kids? Like, w- how do you think people get made?

   17. DBDale Brisby6:43

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       You need kids, and then they become people that you like.

   19. DBDale Brisby6:47

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       Like, yeah, it's a lot of responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's difficult. It's hard, and if, if, if shit goes wrong for them, it feels terrible for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the world's crazy. But there's more books and medicine and information now than ever... Yeah, there's problems. Yeah.

   21. DBDale Brisby7:03

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       There's, uh, fucking, there's never been a time when people have been alive, ever, that didn't have problems.

   23. DBDale Brisby7:09

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       We create fucking problems.

   25. DBDale Brisby7:11

       We just kinda swapped them for-

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Well.

   27. DBDale Brisby7:13

       ... the early days. You know? It's just different problems.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Yeah, we don't have to worry about starving to death anymore. Now we have to worry about being too fat and eating ourselves to death.

   29. DBDale Brisby7:20

       God. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       It's a different problem. (laughs)
4. 7:25 – 9:15

   Meat, climate narratives, and regenerative farming vs. factory farming

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:25

      That would help, but then the, the people that are thinking they should eat bugs and only eat vegetables are freaking out.

   2. DBDale Brisby7:32

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      You know, because they, there's this mantra that people chant out that, like, uh, y- you need to stop eating meat to save the world. Like, that's not gonna work, kids.

   4. DBDale Brisby7:42

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:42

      That's, that's not gonna do it. That's not gonna do it. You wanna say we should get rid of factory farming? Yeah, horrific conditions that animals live under? There's no f- reason for that. They should be living, like, regenerative farming. We should figure that out. A- animals should live like animals are supposed to live. They shouldn't be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out. Like, it would be nice if things were more naturallike.

   6. DBDale Brisby8:06

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:06

      Like, if you get, like, a good regenerative farm, like, White Oaks Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is they just recreate nature in a contained environment.

   8. DBDale Brisby8:15

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:15

      Cattles roam, chickens roam, you use the manure to fertilize your food. That's how people were supposed to do it.

   10. DBDale Brisby8:21

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Yep.

   12. DBDale Brisby8:22

       Vertical integration.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       Yeah, it's supposed to be, it's supposed to be like an ecosystem that it, it, it all... Nature knows how to do it. It all works together, and when it does that, it's basically carbon neutral, which is really incredible. But instead of concentrating on the things we're doing wrong, they just, they- they have, like, this blanket solution. "We de- eliminate meat and save the planet." Like, you're still not gonna save the planet.

   14. DBDale Brisby8:44

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       Like, y- you, it's not, and it's not saving the planet. It's saving the human impact on the planet. And unless China's on board, unless India's on board, you're not gonna put a dent in that.

   16. DBDale Brisby8:55

       Right. It just seems like, yeah, like, maybe it is making an impact, but, like, if everything else that's going on is gonna cause it, I mean, how much of an impact at what cost? You know, like Jordan Peterson talks about with... Are there some other things we could be doing with, like, helping poverty, you know, raising up the poverished?

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       That would be much better.

   18. DBDale Brisby9:15

       You know what I mean?

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       Yeah.

5. 9:15 – 13:16

   Nutrition skepticism: sugar industry influence, cholesterol confusion, carnivore life

   1. DBDale Brisby9:15

      Like, all these resources that are going towards certain things, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it, but are there some other ways that... I kinda threw out the playbook as far as, like, nutrition. Somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol. I think it was on Huberman that I read that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:36

      Really?

   3. DBDale Brisby9:36

      And you, I mean, you can fact-check me, but, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Huberman has said that but, like, 50% of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol, and that, like, high cholesterol... It just made me question everything. I'm not trying to make, like, some scientific claim, 'cause I'm a cowboy, but it made me... It's like, maybe meat is less of an enemy than what mainstream is trying to tell everybody.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:00

      Meat-

   5. DBDale Brisby10:00

      That's the main point I got from it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:00

      Meat is eaten by 95% of the people on the planet, and we have since the beginning of time. If, if meat was killing everybody, it would've killed us off a long time ago. (laughs)

   7. DBDale Brisby10:10

      Exactly.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      Meat's the most nutrient dense food you can eat.

   9. DBDale Brisby10:13

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:13

       We just have all these problems in this country in, in terms of what the, what narratives are being spread and what information's being spread. And one of the big ones that started it off was, was it the '50s or the '60s for the sugar industry?

   11. NANarrator10:26

       The '50s.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off these scientists to fake this study, to fake these results, and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar.

   13. DBDale Brisby10:41

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Because there was, uh, an obvious increase. So here it is. Documents show that a trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as The Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat, and heart disease. So it was a complete bullshit heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me when I was growing up, and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it. We thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease-

   15. DBDale Brisby11:15

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       ... when really, it was sugar.

   17. DBDale Brisby11:17

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       The massive overconsumption of sugar that started when people started adding sugar to everything, adding corn syrup to everything. When they subsidized corn, they had all this corn, turned it into corn syrup, started adding this sweetener to everything. And, like, people started getting fat as fuck and having heart attacks-

   19. DBDale Brisby11:33

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       ... and the sugar industry is like, "We gotta blame somebody else. Who we gonna blame?"

   21. DBDale Brisby11:37

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Like, "Let's blame this thing that people have been eating since the beginning of time. Let's blame saturated fat, and let's say it lay-

   23. DBDale Brisby11:43

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       ... you know, the dietary cholesterol affects your overall health." And, like, goddamn, cholesterol is, like, literally what you need to form hormones.

   25. DBDale Brisby11:51

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       Cholesterol, it's a building block o- of your human body. (laughs) It's like-

   27. DBDale Brisby11:56

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       ... it's critical.

   29. DBDale Brisby11:57

       Yeah, it's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       It's a critical thing. And there's LDL and HDL, and to try to figure out what's... Well, you need, like a, a g- like a Huberman to sit down and break something like that down to you. And then there's also hereditary issues that people have. Some people really should be on a low cholesterol diet, and some people have heart d- disease they're born with. There's a lot of factors.
6. 13:16 – 21:12

   Tim Kennedy workouts, archery training philosophy, and discipline vs. partying

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:16

      Well, you just got done working out with Tim Kennedy.

   2. DBDale Brisby13:18

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      That's not a good idea to do anything where you have to be functional for the rest of the day. (laughs)

   4. DBDale Brisby13:24

      My- my man, Ty, in there, that was with us?

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:27

      Yeah.

   6. DBDale Brisby13:27

      We got done with the warmup and he went into the bathroom, started throwing up.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:31

      Nah. (laughs)

   8. DBDale Brisby13:31

      The warmup. Like, Tim's warmups are way more extreme than most people's workouts.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      Yeah. And he does that all the time. He's not fucking around just for you. That's like, he- he just took you, he just... He didn't have to torture you. Just take you-

   10. DBDale Brisby13:45

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       ... and do what he does and that'll torture you by itself.

   12. DBDale Brisby13:48

       Well, I got him a ticket last night to your show, and that was how he repaid me.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       By torturing you?

   14. DBDale Brisby13:54

       He was like, "All right, I'll go with you. You gotta work out with me."

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       'Cause he was planning on torturing you anyway. He- he told me when he was... when he had (laughs) ... when he was sitting in here, he told me he was gonna get ya. (laughs)

   16. DBDale Brisby14:03

       What could he do?

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Yeah, I don't work out with that fucking dude. Get outta here, man.

   18. DBDale Brisby14:06

       He did.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:06

       He's sa-... That's a, that's a real savage right there.

   20. DBDale Brisby14:09

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       Bona fide. Like I was saying, I bet that dude makes his gum bleed every time he brushes his teeth.

   22. DBDale Brisby14:13

       Um-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       He does, he does everything hard.

   24. DBDale Brisby14:15

       Yeah. He ex-... He works out the way you would expect him to after you t-... have a conversation with him.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:19

       Oh, yeah. He's intense.

   26. DBDale Brisby14:20

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:21

       But, you know, we need people like that.

   28. DBDale Brisby14:23

       I'd like to see him and Cam work out together.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Oh, it'd be fun. Yeah. The- that... Haven't... Has he not done Cam's show yet?

   30. DBDale Brisby14:29

       Not yet.
7. 21:12 – 25:05

   Fear Factor bull riding, bullfighters, and why rodeo injuries are terrifying

   1. DBDale Brisby21:12

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:12

      Like, I can't imagine riding a fucking bull. That was one of the one times on Fear Factor where I told the producers, "Don't do it. Don't do it."

   3. DBDale Brisby21:19

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:19

      I got there, and they had these- the- one of the girls was like 98 pounds, this tiny little lady.

   5. DBDale Brisby21:24

      Oh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:24

      And they had her riding this bull. I go, "Dude, don't- don't do this to these people." And the fucking s- (laughs) the-

   7. NANarrator21:30

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:30

      ... stunt men are some of the hardest dudes you will ever meet. Those dudes are not worried about broken bones.

   9. DBDale Brisby21:36

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       They break them all the time. They're not worried about shit. So they're not worried about themselves getting injured. They take precautions, you know, they- they're professional, but they're definitely not worried about these fuckers getting injured, either. (laughs)

   11. DBDale Brisby21:46

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       They don't want them to get injured, but they'll put them in danger.

   13. DBDale Brisby21:49

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       And I was like, "Th- These are fucking bulls." And the- the- the stunt guy, he was hilarious. He always had a dip in his mouth, and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't, like, carry around a cup. So he just started swallowing it.

   15. DBDale Brisby22:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       So he swallows his dip. What kind of a man is just there swallowing dip for decades?

   17. DBDale Brisby22:08

       There's a lot of them.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:08

       That kind of guy. That kind of dude.

   19. DBDale Brisby22:09

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:10

       And so he was like, "Don't worry, boo, they're stunt bulls." I go, "They're stunt bulls?"

   21. DBDale Brisby22:14

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:14

       I go, "Is that bull known as a stunt bull? I bet he thinks he's a fucking bull."

   23. DBDale Brisby22:17

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       "I bet he has no idea what a stunt bull is."

   25. DBDale Brisby22:20

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       And the stunt bull is like the- a less aggressive.

   27. DBDale Brisby22:23

       For sure. Yeah. I- I call-

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       That thing's aggressive as fuck.

   29. DBDale Brisby22:26

       I call them- I call like the one I have, w- he would be like my bucket list bull, because, like if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it-

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       Mm-hmm.
8. 25:05 – 33:53

   Life after the adrenaline: identity, addiction to the fight, and Cerrone’s next chapter

   1. DBDale Brisby25:05

      Yeah, and there's just ... I'm sure with fighters too, there's just this ... Once that sport grabs a hold of your soul-

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:12

      Hmm.

   3. DBDale Brisby25:12

      ... it's so hard to let it go.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:14

      And it's the most exciting moments of your life, is winning and, and, and competing. And that, that high is so high that regular life seems like a dull gray.

   5. DBDale Brisby25:24

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:24

      And I think it's very hard for them. (clears throat) And it's also hard for them because their identity gets wrapped up-

   7. DBDale Brisby25:30

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:30

      ... in being a fighter. A lot of my friends that have retired, they've real s- they really struggle, like, trying to figure out who they are afterwards. And then they entertain one more fight, and then-

   9. DBDale Brisby25:40

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       ... and it's like y- But they don't really wanna fight, they just want something that makes 'em excited again.

   11. DBDale Brisby25:46

       Yes, sir.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Yeah.

   13. DBDale Brisby25:46

       And there's kind of a ... I think the winning and going down the road is part of it, and then you, you have those certain individuals that ... (clears throat) And I think ... (sighs) I mean, you know a lot of 'em in that world. I, I feel like Cowboy is definitely one of 'em. Cerrone. But like in rodeo, when there's somebody that is in love with the actual fight.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       Yeah.

   15. DBDale Brisby26:12

       You know, like s- I think a lot of people ... And these guys get weeded out; they don't have that long of a career in rodeo. I'm sure fighting's the same, that like, they like to have fought. They like to have ridden bulls.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       Mm-hmm.

   17. DBDale Brisby26:22

       But then you get those guys who, like, cameras are off, nobody's there, and they don't ... Like, they wanna get on a bronc. Like, they love the thrill of that fight.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       Right.

   19. DBDale Brisby26:32

       Nodding your head. The gate opens-

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       Right.

   21. DBDale Brisby26:34

       ... and it's, it's you in it. It's so pure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:36

       Mm-hmm.

   23. DBDale Brisby26:36

       So pure. And I'm sure, like, a fighter that is just ... they're just hungry for it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       Yeah.

   25. DBDale Brisby26:42

       The actual between the bells.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:45

       Yeah.

   27. DBDale Brisby26:45

       That's what's scary. May- maybe all of 'em that, on your level, y- they're all like that. I think they would have to be, I guess, to a degree.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:52

       (clicks tongue) Once they get to the highest level, I mean, that, that is who they are. You know, like with Donald, I mean, he's a pure fighter. But Donald is also very ... He's just a lot of interests. I'm not worried about Donald transitioning 'cause he's ... He ... I think he has a legit possibility to be a movie star.

   29. DBDale Brisby27:08

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:08

       I think he could do it. If any of those guys could do it, I mean ... Movies are always looking for, like, a, a real hard-looking cowboy motherfucker.
9. 33:53 – 55:33

   Rodeo background: roughstock roles, first bull at 12, and the helmet/hat debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:53

      Yeah. How did you start rodeoing? When, how old were you?

   2. DBDale Brisby33:57

      I mean, I was born into it. My dad was ... I was kind of, I was on the rough, roughie end of the arena, so, like, if you go to a rodeo arena, there'll be timed event side and a rough stock side. The timed event is, like, uh, team roping, uh, calf roping, barrel racing, and then the rough stock end is the bucking horses, bucking bulls, bullfighters, pickup men. There's five things you can do down there. Um, bareback, saddle bronc, bull riding, and then the pickup man and the bullfighters. So there's five jobs you do on that rough stock end. And my dad did all those, and so, like, I grew up, like, a roughie, so to speak, and fell in love with all of it, and, uh, you know, it's kind of two stories. Bull riding, I'm the greatest of all time.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:43

      (laughs)

   4. DBDale Brisby34:44

      And the most humble, you know? I'm sick and tired of YouTube pulling down all my bull rides, you know? It just gets old.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:50

      Do they pull your bull rides down?

   6. DBDale Brisby34:51

      I'm just so vi- I'm just so violent.

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:52

      (laughs)

   8. DBDale Brisby34:53

      Just so violent. But bronc riding has been, like, the thing that I've chased and, like, that's what, that was one of the last things my dad did, and bronc riding, it's similar to bull riding except it's a horse, not a bull, and, uh, but yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was, like, 10 or 12.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:13

      Oh, my God.

   10. DBDale Brisby35:14

       You know? And, uh, and then it was all downhill from there. Uh, not t- I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path I was going on no matter what. And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he, that's just, that was in our blood. That's just what we did, and I was gonna do it whether he pushed me or not, and, uh, and then I just, once it got, once that fight, experiencing that fight of every night, I- I wasn't much for the partying. There's a, there's a lot of guys that, all of it together, the partying and that lifestyle, like, I enjoyed having a good time, but for me, being behind the chutes, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       I would imagine very few people party as hard as rodeo guys.

   12. DBDale Brisby35:58

       I would, I would agree with that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       (laughs)

   14. DBDale Brisby36:01

       100%. I was always-

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:02

       In Veg- in Vegas, there's a- a lot of times there are UFC events or I'll do a comedy event and it'll align with when the rodeo's in town.

   16. DBDale Brisby36:09

       The NFR.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:10

       And those dudes are just different. Like, you can see it in their fucking face, you know? They're just different.

   18. DBDale Brisby36:16

       I'm usually driving them.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:17

       Yeah?

   20. DBDale Brisby36:17

       I'm usually driving them. Yeah, I've always been, you know, the sober one of the group, but, um, I mean-

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:24

       How'd you avoid the partying?

   22. DBDale Brisby36:27

       My dad did it, and so, like, just when I was a kid, like, I just kinda ... I've not really ever succumbed to peer pressure, like I just kinda was gonna be on this path, and, uh, he was like John Wayne mixed with-... Woodrow Call mixed with Billy Graham. Like, he was like a Christian man, hard cowboy, kind of, but still a hard ass. And it was ... So I kinda ... He didn't like tell me like, "You can never drink." But I just didn't.

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:58

       Mm-hmm.

   24. DBDale Brisby36:58

       And then before I knew it, I looked at back and I, I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time. I'm like Theo Vaughn. Like when I get something, I get it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:06

       (laughs)

   26. DBDale Brisby37:07

       And I knew that if I got that, it would get me.

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:10

       Mm-hmm, yeah.

   28. DBDale Brisby37:11

       Like, I just know that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:12

       Yeah, that's why I've avoided cocaine.

   30. DBDale Brisby37:16

       I don't, I don't do coke. I do like the way it smells, but I don't do it no more.
10. 55:33 – 1:03:39

    Modern rodeo realities: surgeries, neck breaks on video, and deadly hang-ups

    1. DBDale Brisby55:33

       He, he's had too many surgeries to count. Died on operating tables, like both shoulders done. He just broke his neck-

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:42

       (exhales)

    3. DBDale Brisby55:43

       ... the other day, and, uh, that might've been the end of it for him. He, he, he did announce that, that he was done, but it took... And one of my buddies, Randy, was like, "Man, I'm sorry it had to be like this, y- you had to go out like this," you know, breaking it, and he said, "Man, this is what it was gonna take."

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:59

       Uh, what?

    5. DBDale Brisby56:00

       To make it quick.

    6. JRJoe Rogan56:00

       When you say break his neck, like what, what's the extension of the, extent of the injury?

    7. DBDale Brisby56:04

       Like, get to the hospital and they say, "Okay, lay right here and don't move 'til the surgeon gets here 'cause you could be paralyzed if you make a move."

    8. JRJoe Rogan56:12

       Oh, God.

    9. DBDale Brisby56:13

       If you make the wrong move. I've had two buddies this summer go down like that. Another one is a bronc rider, Jacobs Crawley, like, they're like, "Do not move until a surgeon flies in and does this surgery."

    10. JRJoe Rogan56:26

        Oh, God.

    11. DBDale Brisby56:26

        And that was his back. But it was JB's neck.

    12. JRJoe Rogan56:30

        Oh, God.

    13. DBDale Brisby56:30

        Scary sh-

    14. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        That's scary shit.

    15. DBDale Brisby56:32

        And that, that's like, that's the worst of the worst kinda situation, you know what I mean? But I'm not suggesting people go try this, like get on the other end of the arena. You know, do team roping, do some calf roping, like, like I don't know, like I just can't. I just have to be down here. It got in my blood and I can't get it out. And I'm, I'm going in for a surgery next week. For-

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:56

        What?

    17. DBDale Brisby56:57

        My shoulder. But I've had two back surgeries. I've had like six surgeries like in the last five or six years. Like it just, I got to a point, I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kinda... Like in your youth, you just like, you're just hitting the fence, you're hitting the ground, you're getting stepped on, and then all of a sudden like once they start, I don't know. But I'm gonna get my shoulder redone.

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:23

        Is the shoulder from falling?

    19. DBDale Brisby57:25

        It's, it's dislocated five times.

    20. JRJoe Rogan57:29

        Oh.

    21. DBDale Brisby57:29

        Yeah, three of them were in the last few months.

    22. JRJoe Rogan57:32

        Jesus.

    23. DBDale Brisby57:32

        From riding. That was all from bucking horses.

    24. JRJoe Rogan57:36

        And is it, uh, y- are you getting the shoulder dislocated from hanging on, or are you getting the shoulder dislocated from getting bucked off?

    25. DBDale Brisby57:42

        No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like it was right before my back surgery 'cause I didn't realize I was hurt, and I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses. And when I hit the ground, my elbow drove and it, it came out the front.

    26. JRJoe Rogan57:57

        Oh.

    27. DBDale Brisby57:57

        And so like, there's, you kinda have a little bit of a socket that your shoulder's in, it's not like your hip, but...

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:03

        Right.

    29. DBDale Brisby58:03

        And so the bone broke off the front.

    30. JRJoe Rogan58:05

        (inhales deeply)
11. 1:03:39 – 1:14:22

    Ranch work at the Four Sixes, why cowboy life feels ‘romantic,’ and creator independence

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:39

       You know, he owns that, uh, Four Sixes Ranch-

    2. DBDale Brisby1:03:42

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:42

       ... in Texas?

    4. DBDale Brisby1:03:43

       Yeah, it was-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:43

       It's 270,000 acres.

    6. DBDale Brisby1:03:45

       I'm supposed to be there right now.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:46

       Oh, really?

    8. DBDale Brisby1:03:47

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:47

       You going there after this?

    10. DBDale Brisby1:03:49

        No, um, so there's... I, I, I go there in the spring and fall sometimes. There's, like, full-time guys that work there.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:57

        Mm-hmm.

    12. DBDale Brisby1:03:58

        And then, when they wean in the fall or when they brand in the spring, they'll hire day workers, and they'll just come in for, like, a week at a time, two weeks, and I, I would be classified as a day worker.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:11

        And what do you do there?

    14. DBDale Brisby1:04:13

        Um, so, like, right now they're weaning. So that, that... The, the cow-calf phase that I explained earlier, where that calf is born and stays on the cow, well, when he gets to, like, 600 pounds they'll wean him, and so you gotta gather the whole pasture, we'll put 'em in the pens, and we'll sh- strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stocker phase, so that's what they're doing. It takes, like, two weeks.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:38

        So on top of doing all your YouTube stuff and your podcast stuff, you're still out there doing, like real ranch shit?

    16. DBDale Brisby1:04:45

        Yes, sir. Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

        Do you love that?

    18. DBDale Brisby1:04:47

        Uh, it's... Yeah, I mean, this was an easy thing to say, like, "Hey, Dusty..." Dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch, and he's one of my best friends, but I was like, "Dusty, I gotta go up here." And he was like, "Yeah, you gotta go up there."

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:02

        (laughs)

    20. DBDale Brisby1:05:02

        But, but yeah, like, if I wasn't here, I'd be there. And I get to film a little. You know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me, like, little Snapchats and little videos here and there, 'cause he also knows that I'm gonna promote the Four Sixes, you know-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:15

        Right.

    22. DBDale Brisby1:05:15

        ... I'm not gonna disparage anybody. And so, uh... But yeah, like, that's... I've seen opportunities and my lawyer's like, "Dude, you gotta get out of that small town and come to College Station or Austin or Dallas-Fort Worth to grow your business," and I just can't. I'll be smaller and stay where I'm at. Like, it's just... I, I'm not gonna trade this lifestyle for more money.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        You just love it that much.

    24. DBDale Brisby1:05:43

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:43

        What is it about it that just gets in your blood like that?

    26. DBDale Brisby1:05:48

        (exhales deeply) I mean, it's... I mean, like, you've, you've, you've felt being out, you know, elk hunting. You know, cowboys get that every day. And then, when you get to do a job on the back of a horse and you... Like, you've got to... There's so many things involved. Like, you've got to know that horse, you got to know the cows, you got to know your guys next to you. And when you get done with a full day's work, like, there's, there's just something super romantic about being able to accomplish that task. And-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:19

        I don't think anybody ever recreated it to the point where people understood it before Taylor did. There's something about the way the Dutton family describes it on that show that it's like... That mean... (laughs) How many people moved to Montana because they saw that fucking show?

    28. DBDale Brisby1:06:36

        And it's real.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:37

        Yeah, it's real.

    30. DBDale Brisby1:06:37

        Like, people feel that way-

Episode duration: 3:00:59