Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka

Pasulka’s archival work shows centuries of “ascent narratives,” visions, levitations, and aerial phenomena that map closely onto modern UFO encounters and abductions, suggesting a long‑standing, culturally reinterpreted interaction with some external intelligence.

She describes Project Blue Book and an internal “oral tradition” (e.g., ‘pencils up’ meetings) used to keep sensitive UFO knowledge off paper, plus deliberate blending of truth and disinformation to control how the public thinks about the topic.

Pasulka recounts visiting a New Mexico crash site under a no‑fly zone with space scientist ‘Tyler’ and Stanford’s Garry Nolan, finding engineered materials that Nolan’s lab later confirmed as non‑standard and apparently manufactured in ways beyond known human metallurgy.

From Plato’s physical/mind disciplines to modern “flow states,” monastic-like routines, and even Tibetan dream yoga, Pasulka and Rogan argue that certain practices (exercise, solitude, sleep, limited stimulants, meditation) seem to enable people to receive insights or ‘downloads’ that feel external to the self.

Rogan links nighttime abductions to endogenous DMT production during sleep and his own DMT encounters with intelligent beings, while Pasulka notes that some abduction and near‑death reports structurally resemble mystical visions described by saints and visionaries.