Joe Rogan Experience #2315 - José Andrés

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) let's go. Jose, my man.

   4. JAJosé Andrés0:15

      I cannot believe I'm here.

   5. NANarrator0:17

      I can't believe you're here either.

   6. JAJosé Andrés0:18

      I'm so happy, Joe.

   7. NANarrator0:20

      (laughs)

   8. JAJosé Andrés0:21

      I remember when, you know, people began telling me, "Hey, you know, you know, Joe Rogan..." And I was like, "Oh, Joe Rogan, what?" Because I'm, I'm always lost, right?

   9. NANarrator0:32

      (laughs)

   10. JAJosé Andrés0:32

       "Yeah, Joe Rogan loves Bazaar."

   11. NANarrator0:35

       Yes.

   12. JAJosé Andrés0:35

       Loves Bazaar in Las Vegas. Loves-

   13. NANarrator0:38

       It's my favorite restaurant in Vegas.

   14. JAJosé Andrés0:39

       Loves Bazaar Meat in Las Vegas. And I'm like, "Really? Shit." And, you know, you are happy every time you, you listen that anybody likes your restaurant.

   15. NANarrator0:50

       Well, your restaurant is set up so good. When you walk in, the, those Argentine grills are going with the live wood fires. Oh.

   16. JAJosé Andrés1:01

       (exhales deeply)

   17. NANarrator1:01

       And you smell the steaks right when you walk in. Oh, it's perfect honey pot.

   18. JAJosé Andrés1:06

       Yeah.

   19. NANarrator1:06

       Because if you're not hungry, you get hungry the moment you walk in the door.

   20. JAJosé Andrés1:09

       So, so, you know, Bazaar, I opened, uh, first one, oh my God, over 15 years ago in LA, in, in this hotel, amazing hotel, SLS, by Philippe Starck. Sam Nazarian was the brains behind the whole project. And, and, and the restaurant just became wow, big, big, big hit in LA. It was a crazy place. It was like Alice in Wonderland, like Joe in Wonderland. But then when we were opening SLS, the same hotel in Vegas, we were like, "Let's do Bazaar but something else." And obviously what everybody loves in Vegas is a meat place. So we got the spirit of the original Bazaar, same dishes, the whimsy, the cotton candy foie gras, the Philly cheesesteak that you eat, uh, you eat in one bite, but we brought meats. Meats from different parts of the United States, different parts of Spain, Europe, Iberico pork, big grills, and was kind of fancy. You could go fancy. You could go cotton candy and cones of caviar, which, by the way, I have here some cones if you're hungry later.

   21. NANarrator2:15

       (laughs)

   22. JAJosé Andrés2:15

       But then you can go and you eat the steak. That's it.

   23. NANarrator2:18

       Why is Vegas a, a big meat place?

   24. JAJosé Andrés2:24

       It feels like it's... I, I mean, there's a lot of steakhouses.

   25. NANarrator2:28

       A lot of steakhouses, yeah.

   26. JAJosé Andrés2:29

       Um-

   27. NANarrator2:30

       Not a lot of great ones, though.

   28. JAJosé Andrés2:32

       A lot of woman-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       There's a few-

   30. JAJosé Andrés2:34

       O- Overall, it's good.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JAJosé Andrés15:00

   2. NANarrator15:00

      (laughs)

   3. JAJosé Andrés15:01

      Uh, and so, "Daddy, thank you for your opinion, but let me tell you, it's something else here." "Okay, okay, all right." And I love it that... So, yeah, I, I'm not expert on education or ICU point, um, but still, I'm not gonna lie to you, Joe. I wish that, in the same time, the same way I told you I didn't go through proper education, in many ways, I wish I received a slightly more proper education. Like, I learned business hitting the wall every time, you know? Winston Churchill, they claim he said that success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.

   4. NANarrator15:40

      Ah.

   5. JAJosé Andrés15:41

      I had a lot of, a lot of successes, but I had my share of failures too, like I'm sure everybody does.

   6. NANarrator15:46

      Yes.

   7. JAJosé Andrés15:46

      But what makes the difference between looking down and never moving again or-

   8. NANarrator15:53

      Picking up the pieces.

   9. JAJosé Andrés15:54

      ... picking up the pieces and let's do it again is enthusiasm.

   10. NANarrator15:57

       That's a great quote. Failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. That's a great quote.

   11. JAJosé Andrés16:01

       Well, I don't know it was his-

   12. NANarrator16:02

       So accurate.

   13. JAJosé Andrés16:02

       You know, every phrase-

   14. NANarrator16:04

       Right.

   15. JAJosé Andrés16:04

       ... that is a good phrase, and they don't know who did it.

   16. NANarrator16:07

       Right.

   17. JAJosé Andrés16:07

       Let's give it to Winston Churchill.

   18. NANarrator16:10

       (laughs)

   19. JAJosé Andrés16:11

       (laughs)

   20. NANarrator16:11

       Or Socrates.

   21. JAJosé Andrés16:12

       Yeah.

   22. NANarrator16:13

       Yeah, or Socrates.

   23. JAJosé Andrés16:14

       It's, there's always a bunch of those, yeah.

   24. NANarrator16:15

       Yeah.

   25. JAJosé Andrés16:16

       But whatever it is, it's, it's accurate. It's definitely accurate. I just think that there's a lot of different roles in life, and the problem with traditional school is that they're preparing you for a job. And, uh, I think there's a lot of, like, very creative people that would be served better if they had a more open-ended education and they were allowed to just pursue their interests and be excited about certain things and just get a rudimentary education in other things. That's just my opinion 'cause I think there's, there's certain people that are, they just don't fit in with the regular 9:00 to 5:00 life. It's just not for them. And like I said, you can call it ADHD, whatever you wanna call it. There's a lot, and all my friends, everyone I hang out with, I don't know anybody that's, like, built for regular life. Yeah, on that point, I'm more in your camp. Uh, I think the best university is, is the university of life.

   26. NANarrator17:09

       Yes, as long as you're really engaging.

   27. JAJosé Andrés17:13

       Yeah.

   28. NANarrator17:13

       As long as you're really doing something and really challenging yourself and really applying yourself to something. That's, yeah, I agree with you. And, you know, you have to have a lot of... I think the more interests you have, the more things you're fascinated by, the broader your understanding of human beings will be and the better your life will be.

   29. JAJosé Andrés17:34

       Yeah, uh, and engaging.

   30. NANarrator17:36

       Yes, engaging.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JAJosé Andrés30:00

      they've done a documentary, and they've done a documentary of my team's and myself culinary life. You're gonna see Minibar, my top restaurant, two-star Michelin, Bazaar, everything else. But you're gonna see me telling stories about me cooking with my mom and my dad and... (sneezes) Sorry. My God, and I didn't have the cigar yet.

   2. NANarrator30:22

      (laughs)

   3. JAJosé Andrés30:24

      But, uh, my profession is slowly but surely... Because everybody cooks, right? I always talk about longer tables, but this goes almost to the beginning. A moment that was very important in my life, talking about cooks and chefs and restaurants and food people and feeding-... is that the first time I became a dad. My daughter, uh, who is 26 years old now, Carlota, an amazing young human being. In the moment she came out into the world, as a father, that I began having tears. That's another moment you realize that there's always so much pressure on everybody. I feel, as a young man, I always had a lot of pressure to, to be the man everybody was expecting you to be. And sometimes you felt like nothing ever came with instructions, but you, you had to, you know, I have to be a boyfriend. Well, okay, well-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:33

      What does that entail?

   5. JAJosé Andrés31:34

      ... what do I do?

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:35

      Yeah. Is there a manual I can read?

   7. JAJosé Andrés31:36

      What is the right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:37

      Yeah.

   9. JAJosé Andrés31:37

      And then you get married, and okay, I'm a husband. I'm gonna fall short of what being a husband is? Is I need to be obviously a friend and a, and a provider, but my wife was working too, so. And actually, I was without a job, and she was the one bringing the money in. They fired me, uh, from my same restaurant like three time. Uh, a restaurant I've always been part of-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:59

       (laughs)

   11. JAJosé Andrés31:59

       ... but technically, I was even fired.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       You got fired three times?

   13. JAJosé Andrés32:03

       Well, two technically, and the third almost I fired myself.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       Why? What was going on?

   15. JAJosé Andrés32:06

       Grateful as well. Let me-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       What you got?

   17. JAJosé Andrés32:09

       Well, because they were right. I was too young to be a chef of a restaurant, and I'm a creative guy, not the guy that needs to run numbers and do food costs and inventory, and I was concentrated in, "Can we make the best food we can and new dishes?" And the restaurant needed more-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       Yeah.

   19. JAJosé Andrés32:24

       ... numbers and food costs and labor-

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Yeah.

   21. JAJosé Andrés32:26

       ... and scheduling like, "What? I'm a cook."

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Yeah.

   23. JAJosé Andrés32:30

       "I'm not, I'm not a chef. I'm a cook. I wanna cook. I don't wanna be running numbers." So that's why.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       Right. Got it.

   25. JAJosé Andrés32:37

       But anyway, uh, life comes without instructions, and you always are looking around. It's like, so my daughter borns, and it's like, okay where are the instructions? I'm, uh, I, I'm barely aware of how to become a young boy and, and be part of now, now I, I, I'm a husband, now I'm a father. I'm still learning about everything, and nothing comes with instructions. But one thing I realized was one, the lessons of life. That moment that I had these amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of wow, I'm, I'm a father. I, I, I was part, or at least I did my little tiny part, I don't know if I did 1% and my wife did 99%, for obvious reasons. They carry it for nine months and they, they take the burden of-

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       They actually make it.

   27. JAJosé Andrés33:26

       ... uh, they actually make it, but we do our-

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       Yeah.

   29. JAJosé Andrés33:29

       ... our little thing, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:30

       Eh.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. I've got a…

   1. JAJosé Andrés45:00

      not, I, I didn't cry because lately, I've been trying to hold my tears. Not because I feel a man should not cry. I'm a guy that cries easily, and I love it. I'm, I'm ... but when I, I saw it, uh, first thing, uh, I wa- (laughs) I come out of the ... I open the door and there is this beautiful, big portrait of Tony. And I'm like, "Okay, I have a feeling I'm home."

   2. NANarrator45:24

      Yeah. I've got a couple. I've got another one I'll show you that I have, that's in another part of the studio. I got a lot of art in the studio, luckily.

   3. JAJosé Andrés45:32

      You do?

   4. NANarrator45:32

      It's nice. I love art. I just love being around people's expressions, you know, different things that people have created. I just love things that people make. I really ... that's ... if there's anything that I couldn't live without in this world, I n- I need to be around people's creations. It's very important to me. I like seeing it. I like it to be all over the walls. I like it to be everywhere. I wanna touch it. I wanna see it. You know? And when, um, I found out he was gone, because, um, my friend Maynard, he's the lead singer of Tool, and (clears throat) you know, Tony had really gotten into jujitsu. And that's how, uh, one of the ways ... I was friends with him before that, but that's one of the ways that Tony and I got closer, is that, you know, he knew I was a black belt, and I was ... been, I've been doing jujitsu for decades. And so, he would ask me questions, and when we were doing the show together, it was really funny. When I did, uh, one of the episodes of No Reservation, we went pheasant hunting in Montana. And, uh, part of the day, he's asking me how to finish Darce choke. So, he and I are on the ground, on the dirt, and I'm saying, "Now, when you're in this pos-" I'm, like, I'm showing him how to strangle people in the dirt. So we're, like, wearing hunting clothes and boots and everything like that. And I'm like, "No, no, no. This way, and then trap the head here and turn it like this."

   5. JAJosé Andrés46:49

      (laughs)

   6. NANarrator46:49

      So we're like ... I'm like, "Now do it to me, do it to me." And, like, we're working with each other, like, on the ground, and he's, like, fascinated by this martial art. And I thought it was wonderful, because, like, he's this sensitive, creative, poetic guy, but he found the beauty in jujitsu. Which is, like, to the outside person who's the uninformed, it looks like this brutal, m- m- m- caveman p- activity, but it's not. It's a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art. And he was obsessed with it. And he didn't start doing it until he was 58 years old, which is kind of crazy. But he really got obsessed with it, entered into tournaments, age-appropriate tournaments, and did really well. And was, was training every day, sometimes twice a day, like we'd go t- just taking private lessons, and, like, really got obsessed with it.

   7. JAJosé Andrés47:38

      I, I can tell you that, because when we were shooting in Asturias and a few other places, Cayman Islands, one of the things he always did is finding out where was the local jujitsu-

   8. NANarrator47:50

      Yeah.

   9. JAJosé Andrés47:51

      ... hanging place.

   10. NANarrator47:53

       Uh-huh.

   11. JAJosé Andrés47:53

       And he's very funny. In Oviedo was a place, and he will go there.

   12. NANarrator47:57

       Yeah.

   13. JAJosé Andrés47:57

       And for one, two hours, he will be just fighting against local guys. Uh, so it was fascinating to see how even on weeks that he was supposed to be concentrated on shooting-

   14. NANarrator48:10

       Yeah.

   15. JAJosé Andrés48:10

       ... he always found time-

   16. NANarrator48:12

       Yeah.

   17. JAJosé Andrés48:12

       ... to do what he love.

   18. NANarrator48:13

       So Maynard is al- ... Maynard got his black belt recently, and Maynard was also, like, very into jujitsu. And they were ... he was joking around, like, maybe one day he and Tony would have a celebrity jujitsu match. So I'm in Chicago. I'm doing shows in Chicago, and I get a text message from Maynard and it says, uh, "So much for that celebrity jujitsu match." And I'm like, "What does that mean?" And so, like, I don't even know what that means.

   19. JAJosé Andrés48:37

       Oh. That was the moment.

   20. NANarrator48:38

       And then I Google.

   21. JAJosé Andrés48:40

       Mm-hmm.

   22. NANarrator48:41

       And I, I have this feeling, and then I just ... the news, and then-

   23. JAJosé Andrés48:44

       Yeah.

   24. NANarrator48:44

       ... it all hits me. I'm like, "Oh, fuck." There's moments when people take their own life where the worst feeling is, I feel like if I was there, I could have stopped him from doing that.

   25. JAJosé Andrés48:57

       That, that's the feeling, eh?

   26. NANarrator48:58

       You know? The feeling like, he just was alone. You know? And sometimes you just need to know you're not alone and you're gonna be okay. Like, whatever you think is gonna be the worst thing that's happening here, it's not. You're loved. You're loved. You're an amazing person. There's so much more to see. You don't wanna leave these people behind. You don't wanna hurt them. You don't wanna hurt these people in your life. You don't wanna hurt your family, you don't wanna hurt your daughter, you don't wanna hurt your wife. Don't do it.... I know it feels impossible, but it's 'cause you're alone. And it's, you know, sometimes, you know, I, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have been able to do anything. Maybe I'm wrong. But there's that haunting feeling that you... I could've talked to him.

   27. JAJosé Andrés49:38

       Mm-hmm.

   28. NANarrator49:39

       I go... Because man, that feeling fucking sucks. That feeling of-

   29. JAJosé Andrés49:45

       I...

   30. NANarrator49:45

       ... if I just would have had a con- if I could've... if I was there with him, I think we could've had some laughs, we could've joked around about some stuff, and we would've been okay. That's, you know...
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   P- put you in…

   1. NANarrator1:00:00

      day?" Like, the universe is so fascinating.

   2. JAJosé Andrés1:00:04

      P- put you in your place.

   3. NANarrator1:00:06

      Oh my God, like, you are in a convertible spaceship and you're hurling through the galaxy, and the only thing that's protecting you from everything else is a layer of gas, a layer of gas that surrounds this beautiful planet.

   4. JAJosé Andrés1:00:21

      Of course there's life in one of those star systems.

   5. NANarrator1:00:24

      Oh, 100%.

   6. JAJosé Andrés1:00:25

      I- i- it's more than in one.

   7. NANarrator1:00:27

      Oh yeah, we're ... I think we're just little babies and they're not ready to let us know yet.

   8. JAJosé Andrés1:00:32

      Well, uh-

   9. NANarrator1:00:33

      That's what I think.

   10. JAJosé Andrés1:00:34

       ... I'm sure they're trying.

   11. NANarrator1:00:35

       Some of them, I think-

   12. JAJosé Andrés1:00:36

       They're trying to contact others like we are.

   13. NANarrator1:00:38

       I think some of them have been here. I had a guy on yesterday, his name is Hal Puthoff, he's a physicist that's been working with the government with this stuff forever. He said they have 10 retrieved crafts that are of non-human intelligence, 10, that the United States is in possession of. And he said they ... During the Bush administration, George, George Bush's admi- administration, they were contemplating disclosure to the American people, and they wanted to m- get all these physicists and scientists and psychologists to make a list of things that would be negatively impacted by disclosure and things that would be positively impacted by disclosure and give them a numerical value, like a 0 to 10 value. And when they calculated it all up at the end of the day, the cons outweighed the pros and they decided not to disclose. So during the Bush administration, during George Bush's administration, during 9/11, during that time, that time period-

   14. JAJosé Andrés1:01:35

       ... they were contemplating, this is 2004, they were contemplating having disclosure and releasing to people the fact that we are in possession of non-human intelligent crafts. They have recovered biological entities, meaning beings from another planet that are preserved that we have, and that non-human crafts are visiting this planet, or might not even be visiting. They might actually be here. They might have bases in the ocean. They might have bases somewhere in the mountains. But that this is a real thing. So he started working on this in 2004 and he's- he's, you know, 100% convinced that we're not alone. E- there's been movies about it?

   15. NANarrator1:02:19

       Yeah.

   16. JAJosé Andrés1:02:19

       This is, uh, how do you call it?

   17. NANarrator1:02:20

       Close Encounters.

   18. JAJosé Andrés1:02:21

       Psalm 51? Uh-

   19. NANarrator1:02:22

       Area 51. Yeah.

   20. JAJosé Andrés1:02:23

       Area 51. Listen, um, nothing will give me more joy, uh, as a young boy, I- I always thought, "Man, could I be the guy that finds E.T.? It would have been cool."

   21. NANarrator1:02:37

       Yeah.

   22. JAJosé Andrés1:02:38

       Um, and especially if since it's good alien species that is an alien species of goodness.

   23. NANarrator1:02:48

       Hopefully.

   24. JAJosé Andrés1:02:48

       Imagine-

   25. NANarrator1:02:49

       Yeah.

   26. JAJosé Andrés1:02:50

       ... imagine it's a science fiction movie and planets like us is part of... yeah, let's say they're here.

   27. NANarrator1:02:58

       Yo.

   28. JAJosé Andrés1:02:58

       And let's say that all the, you know, junk food and extra calories and the obesity pandemic is actually something like this alien civilization has orchestrated.

   29. NANarrator1:03:10

       (laughs)

   30. JAJosé Andrés1:03:11

       Uh, and so as we become fatter, uh, they're gonna be able to regulate more protein to take back to their planets.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:24:02

   And that would be…

   1. JAJosé Andrés1:15:00

      with a kitchen and I'm... I feel like I'm F- Forest Gump in a, in a chef heart, that then you get the opportunities to get something like a kitchen that one day could be the kitchen that will feed humans, uh, in space.

   2. NANarrator1:15:16

      And that would be so great for morale too because instead of-

   3. JAJosé Andrés1:15:19

      Imagining.

   4. NANarrator1:15:19

      ... eating goop out of a tube, you're eating delicious food, so you can enjoy a real meal in space. What a genius idea to cook in a centrifuge, to spin it around so that it has gravity-

   5. JAJosé Andrés1:15:31

      (laughs) It's the only, only option, even though you have-

   6. NANarrator1:15:33

      ... to stay together. Yeah.

   7. JAJosé Andrés1:15:33

      ... like my rice floating in the... i- i-

   8. NANarrator1:15:35

      (laughs)

   9. JAJosé Andrés1:15:35

      ... floating everywhere and, and, and it like... "Excuse me, hey, hey, chicken leg, come back here."

   10. NANarrator1:15:42

       (laughs)

   11. JAJosé Andrés1:15:42

       "Uh, uh, hello?" (laughs) It's like, "Hello? Oh, the fish is going... hey, red snapper, come back to me, baby."

   12. NANarrator1:15:49

       Yeah.

   13. JAJosé Andrés1:15:50

       Yeah, you got it, but that's cool. That... So, yeah, listen to me, I love, I love science fiction, uh, comics about science fiction, oh my God. I, I have a big collection of comics, of manga, and it has to do with food even more but about the space even more. And, and, yeah, one day, I hope... yeah, we'll meet, we'll meet aliens and they'll be good people and, and we'll be great people, and hopefully we will not, you know, get... we'll, we will not charge them any tariffs, so we can do good commerce.

   14. NANarrator1:16:25

       (laughs)

   15. JAJosé Andrés1:16:26

       Uh, and maybe they will bring a different species of animals to increase our diet.

   16. NANarrator1:16:31

       Well, I would imagine that-

   17. JAJosé Andrés1:16:32

       Let's hope it's that, okay? Yo-

   18. NANarrator1:16:33

       Yes.

   19. JAJosé Andrés1:16:33

       ... let's hope it's that and it's not, as I said, that they are waiting for planet Earth to be 10, 20 billion people, uh, all of us obese, uh, that's why the best way... People of America, the best way to fight against an alien invasion of planet Earth is that we all stay fit, we don't get overweight, and we are lean, a lot of muscle and not a lot of fat, because that day, that alien civilization will learn that we are not, we are not a harvest worth having-

   20. NANarrator1:17:11

       (laughs)

   21. JAJosé Andrés1:17:11

       ... because we are too lean and they cannot feed their own planets.

   22. NANarrator1:17:14

       Well, I don't think-

   23. JAJosé Andrés1:17:15

       (sniffs) .

   24. NANarrator1:17:15

       ... that's a good strategy (laughs) because I think some of the most delicious food is wild game, and wild game is very lean, you know.

   25. JAJosé Andrés1:17:23

       Um, okay. Um-

   26. NANarrator1:17:25

       I think it's a terrible strategy. I think what we really-

   27. JAJosé Andrés1:17:28

       You're right.

   28. NANarrator1:17:29

       ... our, our real hope is that they've moved beyond that. I think what... our real hope is that they've moved beyond commerce. That's the real hope. I mean, everybody's all... Look, I'm not saying communism is good 'cause it's terrible. T- communism doesn't work with human beings because we're not prepared for communism. But I do think-

   29. JAJosé Andrés1:17:46

       Agree.

   30. NANarrator1:17:46

       ... that if we evolve past these primate instincts that we have, and we genuinely develop some sort of a sense of real intimacy and community with everybody on Earth, we would share resources. And our-

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