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Bazaar Meat origin story and what makes it a “honey pot” in Vegas
- NANarrator
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- NANarrator
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) let's go. Jose, my man.
- JAJosé Andrés
I cannot believe I'm here.
- NANarrator
I can't believe you're here either.
- JAJosé Andrés
I'm so happy, Joe.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
I remember when, you know, people began telling me, "Hey, you know, you know, Joe Rogan..." And I was like, "Oh, Joe Rogan, what?" Because I'm, I'm always lost, right?
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
"Yeah, Joe Rogan loves Bazaar."
- NANarrator
Yes.
- JAJosé Andrés
Loves Bazaar in Las Vegas. Loves-
- NANarrator
It's my favorite restaurant in Vegas.
- JAJosé Andrés
Loves Bazaar Meat in Las Vegas. And I'm like, "Really? Shit." And, you know, you are happy every time you, you listen that anybody likes your restaurant.
- NANarrator
Well, your restaurant is set up so good. When you walk in, the, those Argentine grills are going with the live wood fires. Oh.
- JAJosé Andrés
(exhales deeply)
- NANarrator
And you smell the steaks right when you walk in. Oh, it's perfect honey pot.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
Because if you're not hungry, you get hungry the moment you walk in the door.
- JAJosé Andrés
So, so, you know, Bazaar, I opened, uh, first one, oh my God, over 15 years ago in LA, in, in this hotel, amazing hotel, SLS, by Philippe Starck. Sam Nazarian was the brains behind the whole project. And, and, and the restaurant just became wow, big, big, big hit in LA. It was a crazy place. It was like Alice in Wonderland, like Joe in Wonderland. But then when we were opening SLS, the same hotel in Vegas, we were like, "Let's do Bazaar but something else." And obviously what everybody loves in Vegas is a meat place. So we got the spirit of the original Bazaar, same dishes, the whimsy, the cotton candy foie gras, the Philly cheesesteak that you eat, uh, you eat in one bite, but we brought meats. Meats from different parts of the United States, different parts of Spain, Europe, Iberico pork, big grills, and was kind of fancy. You could go fancy. You could go cotton candy and cones of caviar, which, by the way, I have here some cones if you're hungry later.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
But then you can go and you eat the steak. That's it.
- 2:18 – 3:55
Why Vegas loves steakhouses—and the case for leaving the Strip
- NANarrator
Why is Vegas a, a big meat place?
- JAJosé Andrés
It feels like it's... I, I mean, there's a lot of steakhouses.
- NANarrator
A lot of steakhouses, yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
Um-
- NANarrator
Not a lot of great ones, though.
- JAJosé Andrés
A lot of woman-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a few-
- JAJosé Andrés
O- Overall, it's good.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a few that are, I mean...
- JAJosé Andrés
I'm not gonna be the one saying.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a few that are, I mean...
- JAJosé Andrés
You, you, you can, you can. I, I'm not gonna be the one.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a couple of good ones.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
I'm not gonna be... I mean, listen, there's great chef. I... My friend, Tom Colicchio has, has one.
- NANarrator
What's that one?
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, Tom Co- Uh, uh, you don't even know that.
- NANarrator
Oh.
- JAJosé Andrés
It's so many casinos. I don't know. But-
- NANarrator
The one at MGM.
- JAJosé Andrés
Tom Colicchio, the chef. Wow, you know everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's the one we've been to at MGM a lot.
- NANarrator
Oh, that one's great. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that one's great.
- NANarrator
Yeah. MGM looks great.
- JAJosé Andrés
Tom, uh, uh, and Tom is a great guy.
- NANarrator
What is it called? Craft Steak? Is it Craft Steak?
- JAJosé Andrés
Craft.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
It's the Craft one.
- 3:55 – 6:47
Bazaar Meat is moving to The Venetian—risk, excitement, and restaurant “babies”
- JAJosé Andrés
And you're gonna discover great things. But, uh, Bazaar, I'm moving Bazaar.
- NANarrator
Where?
- JAJosé Andrés
To The Venetian.
- NANarrator
Oh. Well, that, that other casino is gonna starve then. They're gonna fall apart.
- JAJosé Andrés
No, no.
- NANarrator
It's the only reason why I work there. (laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
No, it's a good casino. It's a good casino, and, and they do a good job, uh, De Sahara, and the owner is a good guy, and we need to-
- NANarrator
I'm sure.
- JAJosé Andrés
And, and they're gonna put a great concept there too, and I will-
- NANarrator
What are they gonna replace Bazaar with?
- JAJosé Andrés
I don't know yet. They didn't announce. If I can, I will help them. I'm, I've been helping them. But I'm moving to The Venetian, Bazaar Meat to The Venetian.
- NANarrator
And when is that gonna happen?
- JAJosé Andrés
Um, at the end of this year.
- NANarrator
Okay.
- JAJosé Andrés
Soon. You, you'll be there.
- NANarrator
I'll be prepared.
- JAJosé Andrés
You, you'll be invited.
- NANarrator
I'm gonna come, for sure.
- JAJosé Andrés
You... Should be invited.
- NANarrator
That's my favorite place to go in Vegas.
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, uh, uh, you know, I, I, I'm very happy because it's almost... You know, I don't know if it's the same as when a player moves to a new NBA team.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't work.
- NANarrator
No, Bazaar Meats, it'll work. It'll work.
- JAJosé Andrés
But, but, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's that feeling, right? It's like, I'm going to this new casino. They are... Is great, uh, closer to my other restaurants at The Cosmopolitan.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JAJosé Andrés
I can go walking from one to each other, and better.
- NANarrator
Well, that's nice.
- JAJosé Andrés
Better for me.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- 6:47 – 13:19
Learning mindset, ADHD as a superpower, and why comfort zones limit education
- JAJosé Andrés
You know, the... I'm 55. I'm about to become 56 July... in July, July the 13th. I born in '69. And I- I realize, not only as a chef, but as a person, as a- as a man, and as a father, as a husband, as a... all- all the different (laughs) labels we all have. It's always that the more you know, the more you realize you know nothing.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, in the old days, "I will be 23. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know." Now, it's like, "I don't know. Tell me." And even- even if I know something in a conversation, I just tell... "Do you know about..." I say, "I don't." Why? Because, uh, I wanna listen because I wanna learn. I- I realized in me leaving home very... fairly early, and not going to university and not- not even beginning... ver- first year of high school, I was out. I didn't even graduated on the first year. That one of the things I needed was receive education, but not in the traditional way. The traditional way was not for me. Just being there eight hours a day, listening to, uh, all the hundred kings we have in Spain growing up, you know?
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
Like, why I need to know? And- and listen, uh, and I respect kings, and I- and I love the King of Spain. I- I think he's a great man, a great- a great human being. It has nothing to do with that. It's only I didn't want to know about the other 200 kings we had in Spain in its history. It's not what I was interested.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
I would be interested in knowing what they did that was amazing, but not knowing about their names and their last names.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JAJosé Andrés
I didn't care about that. So, I needed to find ways for me to just to learn. So, that's why for me, just I realized the most I- the more I know, the more I know nothing. And I'm in this moment, I'm 55, that I'm just eager to learn. I wanna know more. I wanna learn more. I want to... I'm talking now, but I wanna listen more. Uh, uh, uh, uh... I only wanna be just a better- a better person by learning.
- NANarrator
Yeah. Well, that's beautiful. And when you're young, you think you know everything. And as you get older... There's a quote by, uh, I think it's Denis McKenna said this, that as this... "As the bonfire of enlightenment grows, the surface area of ignorance is exposed." So, the more you learn-
- JAJosé Andrés
Oh.
- NANarrator
... the more you realize there's so much you don't know. Whereas as you're young, you think you, "Ah, fucking, I figured it all out." And then as you get older, you're like, "There's so much I don't know. Not only that... there's no way I can know everything. It's not possible." That's why fools argue about things that they don't know instead of just going, "What is that? How does that work?" You know, instead of actually being genuinely curious. Fools like to try to pretend that they know more than they know. But there's no... It's not possible to breathe under water. Don't pretend you can. It's not possible to know everything. You just can't. There's gonna be people that know things that you don't know. Celebrate that. Enjoy it. You know? I think that's one of the best things that's ever happened to me, uh, through this podcast, is I get to talk to so many different people that have lived so many different lives and have so many different passions, and so many different interests, and so many different things that they've studied. It's, uh, an amazing education. But I was a lot like you. I did not want to sit in school. Whatever ADHD is, I have it. You know, whatever the fuck it is, so... (laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
I'm raising my hand. (laughs)
- NANarrator
I got it. (laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
I- I mean, like, sometimes when... you know, I have people, "Oh, that-" "Oh, that's..." "Oh, my son has this." I'm like, "W- what? Your son is an amazing human, a smart individual."
- NANarrator
(laughs) Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
And I feel like I connect with him because I think we are alike. So-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... I raise my hand. I am that too.
- NANarrator
I subscribe, I subscribe to the idea that AD- ADHD is a superpower. I really do. Because I think the people that can't focus on nonsense, generally speaking, they can focus on things they love, really focus. They get really excited about certain things. But everything else, they can't be bothered with. Like, when I was a kid, I remember being in math class and checking out 'cause I said, "Wait a minute, can I do this on a calculator?" "Yes." "There are calculators, right? And there's an unlimited supply of batteries, right?" They said, "Yes." I'm like, "I'm out. I'm out. I'm not gonna think about math now 'cause this is not something I'm interested in. If I can do all this math on a calculator, why do I need to learn how to do it?" Now, obviously, that's a dumb way to think. That's... I was 13. But I remember thinking that at 13 years old, "I'm out. L- look, I'm not gonna think about this anymore. Just gonna use a calculator. This is so stupid."
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah. Just give me the result.
- NANarrator
Yeah. Like, I don't need to know how you made all those numbers work. I just, like... I know it's real. Okay, that's great. I'm interested in other things. But the thing is, school was designed to make good factory workers. That's what school was designed for. The American school system, at least, was designed by the Rockefellers, and what they're essentially doing is preparing people to be cogs in a wheel. They are preparing people to just show up and do what you're told and live this life of quiet desperation, and just sit there and absorb whatever they tell you to because you're gonna have to go and work and do something you don't wanna do all day long, and show up and do it again until your body stops working and you die.
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, I- I don't know if I will 100% agree with that statement in the sense of-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
... this was created by design. I think-
- NANarrator
Well, the school system in America certainly was created by design.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah, but, but-
- NANarrator
The idea of sitting people down, especially young kids, for eight hours a day is a ridiculous idea.
- JAJosé Andrés
But, but the schools and education go...... way beyond America and go, go back, uh, back in time. We-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- 13:19 – 22:13
Montessori, parenting lessons, and enthusiasm through failure
- JAJosé Andrés
I'm not an expert on that front, but I can tell you when my daughters began going to school, my wife decide to take them to a Montessori school.
- NANarrator
Oh. That's where everybody's in the same grade, right?
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, uh, very much, but the type of learning and the type of teaching and the method of Montessori-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... I was fascinated by. I was so fascinated that I almost felt like, as a dad, uh, I had to go to a school (laughs) to learn the Montessori system myself because I, I, I thought was great. I thought was giving my daughters just, uh, a great, a great framework to understand how to be themselves-
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JAJosé Andrés
... how to grow, how to organize themselves, giving them the freedom to become the, the young woman they, they are becoming. So for me, just watching them going through, when they were four or five, going to Montessori, I thought that was amazing because I saw little human beings that they, they were far away smarter, I think, than when I was at their same age, was not a system of education that was just guiding them like cows or like horses-
- NANarrator
Right.
- JAJosé Andrés
... when they put-
- NANarrator
Blinders.
- JAJosé Andrés
How do you call these things?
- NANarrator
Blinders.
- JAJosé Andrés
The blinders.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
No, it was the contrary. It was opening their world, not only 360, but almost three-dimensionally.
- NANarrator
Mm.
- JAJosé Andrés
Giving them options for them to be their own, their own owners of their destiny, I will say.
- NANarrator
Mm.
- JAJosé Andrés
Um, I think that's why my daughters became so highly opinionated.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
Uh, and so, "Daddy, thank you for your opinion, but let me tell you, it's something else here." "Okay, okay, all right." And I love it that... So, yeah, I, I'm not expert on education or ICU point, um, but still, I'm not gonna lie to you, Joe. I wish that, in the same time, the same way I told you I didn't go through proper education, in many ways, I wish I received a slightly more proper education. Like, I learned business hitting the wall every time, you know? Winston Churchill, they claim he said that success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.
- NANarrator
Ah.
- JAJosé Andrés
I had a lot of, a lot of successes, but I had my share of failures too, like I'm sure everybody does.
- NANarrator
Yes.
- JAJosé Andrés
But what makes the difference between looking down and never moving again or-
- NANarrator
Picking up the pieces.
- JAJosé Andrés
... picking up the pieces and let's do it again is enthusiasm.
- NANarrator
That's a great quote. Failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. That's a great quote.
- JAJosé Andrés
Well, I don't know it was his-
- NANarrator
So accurate.
- 22:13 – 30:24
Everest crowds, risk culture, and the human need for tribes
- JAJosé Andrés
But that's why humans even sometimes we feel we want to be alone in a cave.
- NANarrator
That's what you were saying before.
- JAJosé Andrés
On the top of a mountain-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
... right before I came in.
- NANarrator
You were saying that you want to open up a restaurant where only four people can go.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah. (laughs)
- NANarrator
You have to get to the top of the mountain.
- JAJosé Andrés
And you have to walk, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, for days.
- NANarrator
20 miles. (laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah. And if you get there, and the first seats are taken, you have to wait in, uh, you have to camp until next day.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
That's it.
- NANarrator
Go to camp out.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
And you ... Uh, and no bottles of oxygen and all that crap-
- NANarrator
No oxygen. Fuck off.
- JAJosé Andrés
... that people that go to the Everest do.
- NANarrator
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah, I don't get it.
- NANarrator
I don't get it.
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
Big line of people-
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
... waiting to say, "I got to the top."
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah. "I got to the top," and they had 10 guys carrying their-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- 30:24 – 44:52
Food as love and art: from mother’s milk to Anthony Bourdain’s legacy
- JAJosé Andrés
But, uh, my profession is slowly but surely... Because everybody cooks, right? I always talk about longer tables, but this goes almost to the beginning. A moment that was very important in my life, talking about cooks and chefs and restaurants and food people and feeding-... is that the first time I became a dad. My daughter, uh, who is 26 years old now, Carlota, an amazing young human being. In the moment she came out into the world, as a father, that I began having tears. That's another moment you realize that there's always so much pressure on everybody. I feel, as a young man, I always had a lot of pressure to, to be the man everybody was expecting you to be. And sometimes you felt like nothing ever came with instructions, but you, you had to, you know, I have to be a boyfriend. Well, okay, well-
- JRJoe Rogan
What does that entail?
- JAJosé Andrés
... what do I do?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Is there a manual I can read?
- JAJosé Andrés
What is the right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
And then you get married, and okay, I'm a husband. I'm gonna fall short of what being a husband is? Is I need to be obviously a friend and a, and a provider, but my wife was working too, so. And actually, I was without a job, and she was the one bringing the money in. They fired me, uh, from my same restaurant like three time. Uh, a restaurant I've always been part of-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
... but technically, I was even fired.
- JRJoe Rogan
You got fired three times?
- JAJosé Andrés
Well, two technically, and the third almost I fired myself.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why? What was going on?
- JAJosé Andrés
Grateful as well. Let me-
- JRJoe Rogan
What you got?
- JAJosé Andrés
Well, because they were right. I was too young to be a chef of a restaurant, and I'm a creative guy, not the guy that needs to run numbers and do food costs and inventory, and I was concentrated in, "Can we make the best food we can and new dishes?" And the restaurant needed more-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... numbers and food costs and labor-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... and scheduling like, "What? I'm a cook."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
"I'm not, I'm not a chef. I'm a cook. I wanna cook. I don't wanna be running numbers." So that's why.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Got it.
- JAJosé Andrés
But anyway, uh, life comes without instructions, and you always are looking around. It's like, so my daughter borns, and it's like, okay where are the instructions? I'm, uh, I, I'm barely aware of how to become a young boy and, and be part of now, now I, I, I'm a husband, now I'm a father. I'm still learning about everything, and nothing comes with instructions. But one thing I realized was one, the lessons of life. That moment that I had these amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of wow, I'm, I'm a father. I, I, I was part, or at least I did my little tiny part, I don't know if I did 1% and my wife did 99%, for obvious reasons. They carry it for nine months and they, they take the burden of-
- JRJoe Rogan
They actually make it.
- JAJosé Andrés
... uh, they actually make it, but we do our-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... our little thing, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Eh.
- JAJosé Andrés
Our, our little thing that we-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very little in comparison.
- 44:52 – 56:24
Grief, mental health, and the discipline of kindness in conflict
- NANarrator
It took a long time for me to be able to watch his show after he was gone.
- JAJosé Andrés
I love the painting you have in the entrance.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
What a ... I'm not, I, I didn't cry because lately, I've been trying to hold my tears. Not because I feel a man should not cry. I'm a guy that cries easily, and I love it. I'm, I'm ... but when I, I saw it, uh, first thing, uh, I wa- (laughs) I come out of the ... I open the door and there is this beautiful, big portrait of Tony. And I'm like, "Okay, I have a feeling I'm home."
- NANarrator
Yeah. I've got a couple. I've got another one I'll show you that I have, that's in another part of the studio. I got a lot of art in the studio, luckily.
- JAJosé Andrés
You do?
- NANarrator
It's nice. I love art. I just love being around people's expressions, you know, different things that people have created. I just love things that people make. I really ... that's ... if there's anything that I couldn't live without in this world, I n- I need to be around people's creations. It's very important to me. I like seeing it. I like it to be all over the walls. I like it to be everywhere. I wanna touch it. I wanna see it. You know? And when, um, I found out he was gone, because, um, my friend Maynard, he's the lead singer of Tool, and (clears throat) you know, Tony had really gotten into jujitsu. And that's how, uh, one of the ways ... I was friends with him before that, but that's one of the ways that Tony and I got closer, is that, you know, he knew I was a black belt, and I was ... been, I've been doing jujitsu for decades. And so, he would ask me questions, and when we were doing the show together, it was really funny. When I did, uh, one of the episodes of No Reservation, we went pheasant hunting in Montana. And, uh, part of the day, he's asking me how to finish Darce choke. So, he and I are on the ground, on the dirt, and I'm saying, "Now, when you're in this pos-" I'm, like, I'm showing him how to strangle people in the dirt. So we're, like, wearing hunting clothes and boots and everything like that. And I'm like, "No, no, no. This way, and then trap the head here and turn it like this."
- JAJosé Andrés
(laughs)
- NANarrator
So we're like ... I'm like, "Now do it to me, do it to me." And, like, we're working with each other, like, on the ground, and he's, like, fascinated by this martial art. And I thought it was wonderful, because, like, he's this sensitive, creative, poetic guy, but he found the beauty in jujitsu. Which is, like, to the outside person who's the uninformed, it looks like this brutal, m- m- m- caveman p- activity, but it's not. It's a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art. And he was obsessed with it. And he didn't start doing it until he was 58 years old, which is kind of crazy. But he really got obsessed with it, entered into tournaments, age-appropriate tournaments, and did really well. And was, was training every day, sometimes twice a day, like we'd go t- just taking private lessons, and, like, really got obsessed with it.
- JAJosé Andrés
I, I can tell you that, because when we were shooting in Asturias and a few other places, Cayman Islands, one of the things he always did is finding out where was the local jujitsu-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... hanging place.
- NANarrator
Uh-huh.
- JAJosé Andrés
And he's very funny. In Oviedo was a place, and he will go there.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
And for one, two hours, he will be just fighting against local guys. Uh, so it was fascinating to see how even on weeks that he was supposed to be concentrated on shooting-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... he always found time-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... to do what he love.
- NANarrator
So Maynard is al- ... Maynard got his black belt recently, and Maynard was also, like, very into jujitsu. And they were ... he was joking around, like, maybe one day he and Tony would have a celebrity jujitsu match. So I'm in Chicago. I'm doing shows in Chicago, and I get a text message from Maynard and it says, uh, "So much for that celebrity jujitsu match." And I'm like, "What does that mean?" And so, like, I don't even know what that means.
- JAJosé Andrés
Oh. That was the moment.
- NANarrator
And then I Google.
- JAJosé Andrés
Mm-hmm.
- NANarrator
And I, I have this feeling, and then I just ... the news, and then-
- JAJosé Andrés
Yeah.
- NANarrator
... it all hits me. I'm like, "Oh, fuck." There's moments when people take their own life where the worst feeling is, I feel like if I was there, I could have stopped him from doing that.
- JAJosé Andrés
That, that's the feeling, eh?
- NANarrator
You know? The feeling like, he just was alone. You know? And sometimes you just need to know you're not alone and you're gonna be okay. Like, whatever you think is gonna be the worst thing that's happening here, it's not. You're loved. You're loved. You're an amazing person. There's so much more to see. You don't wanna leave these people behind. You don't wanna hurt them. You don't wanna hurt these people in your life. You don't wanna hurt your family, you don't wanna hurt your daughter, you don't wanna hurt your wife. Don't do it.... I know it feels impossible, but it's 'cause you're alone. And it's, you know, sometimes, you know, I, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have been able to do anything. Maybe I'm wrong. But there's that haunting feeling that you... I could've talked to him.
- JAJosé Andrés
Mm-hmm.
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From stargazing to UFO disclosure: aliens, secrecy, and civilizational maturity
- JAJosé Andrés
Life is such a beautiful place, especially when you are in ... Obviously, in cities you can see how beautiful life is even, but when you are in nature and you're seeing the sunrise or you're seeing the sunset or you're seeing the moon and you see how little you are-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... how insignificant you are, but at the same time how God gave us this power to be part of this amazing universe we are part of.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JAJosé Andrés
And then you, you are thankful there because you are like, "Oh my God, I am part of something so beautiful." And we all occupy a space on that universe.
- NANarrator
Mm-hmm.
- JAJosé Andrés
And the space we occupy should be to, to ... don't make it worse. If anything, leave it as it is. And if you can, do whatever you can just to make a little bit better.
- NANarrator
Right.
- JAJosé Andrés
And that's our destiny in this universe.
- NANarrator
Yes.
- JAJosé Andrés
You only need to ... don't fuck it up. That's it.
- NANarrator
Just don't fuck it up. (laughs)
- JAJosé Andrés
And if you can do a little bit more-
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
... even better. Me, when I am in those places, like I go to the south of Spain, and my wife is from there, Cadiz is where, where I did my military service in the Spanish Navy. And it's one moment, not too far away from Gibraltar, the little possession that England has there in the south of Spain, that maybe one day England gives it back to S- to Spain. There is a place that almost you can touch Africa. You feel like you can, with your finger, touch Africa in the Strait of Gibraltar. And it's just like even a movie cannot recreate the amazing place you are with birds and the oceans, the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean, and two continents that want to love each other but they are separate by that body of water. There, I look and I began circling my head in 360 degrees, and I'm like, "Oh my God, the, what a beautiful planet we live in."
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JAJosé Andrés
Let's not fuck it up.
- NANarrator
What a beautiful universe. You know, I, um ... One time, when my oldest daughter was very young, we went to Hawaii. We went to the Big Island. And just on a lark, just for fun, we went to the, uh, top of the observatory, um, at, uh ... What was it? Mauna Kea? Um, the Keck Observatory, whatever mountain it is. And we were driving up there, and they said, "Well, if it's a cloudy night, it's terrible, you can't see anything. Um, but maybe you'll get lucky and there'll be some stars. You'll be able to see the stars." So we're driving, and as we're driving, I was telling my wife, "Ah, look at all the clouds. This sucks. We're gonna get up there, and then we drive even further." It's a long drive. It's like a 90-minute drive through the mountains. As we got further, we drove through the clouds, and the crowds were below us because it's very high. And the stars were magnificent. It was insane. You saw the whole Milky Way. The, the entire sky was filled with stars. There's no light pollution because the Big Island has diffused lighting. And, uh, they have specific lighting just because the observatory, that doesn't give light pollution so you could see all the stars from up there. And I remember that day like it was yesterday. Every day, I think ... Every time I see the stars, I'm like, "We're so fucked by cities because we can't see what this really looks like." That's what it looks like. That's what it looked like at night. And I remember thinking, "Why don't we see that every day?" Like, the universe is so fascinating.
- JAJosé Andrés
P- put you in your place.
- NANarrator
Oh my God, like, you are in a convertible spaceship and you're hurling through the galaxy, and the only thing that's protecting you from everything else is a layer of gas, a layer of gas that surrounds this beautiful planet.
- JAJosé Andrés
Of course there's life in one of those star systems.
- NANarrator
Oh, 100%.
- JAJosé Andrés
I- i- it's more than in one.
- NANarrator
Oh yeah, we're ... I think we're just little babies and they're not ready to let us know yet.
- JAJosé Andrés
Well, uh-
- NANarrator
That's what I think.
- JAJosé Andrés
... I'm sure they're trying.
- NANarrator
Some of them, I think-
- JAJosé Andrés
They're trying to contact others like we are.
- NANarrator
I think some of them have been here. I had a guy on yesterday, his name is Hal Puthoff, he's a physicist that's been working with the government with this stuff forever. He said they have 10 retrieved crafts that are of non-human intelligence, 10, that the United States is in possession of. And he said they ... During the Bush administration, George, George Bush's admi- administration, they were contemplating disclosure to the American people, and they wanted to m- get all these physicists and scientists and psychologists to make a list of things that would be negatively impacted by disclosure and things that would be positively impacted by disclosure and give them a numerical value, like a 0 to 10 value. And when they calculated it all up at the end of the day, the cons outweighed the pros and they decided not to disclose. So during the Bush administration, during George Bush's administration, during 9/11, during that time, that time period-
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